[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but now I have to beg your pardon. I just checked it. The verified correct title is The Balkin Lute of the Himalayas highlighting the glorious career of Serbian Lute player, Saraswitcki. Forget what I said before about the bacon-lite stuff, that was completely wrong. And besides, the Bacon Lite was a soy substitute product. A name, tested in early focus groups was Soy of the Himalayas --- Soymalayas for short. That morphed to Soma Laylas -- a nice name actually. But using his knowledge of the future, M didn't want it to get confused with Eric Clapton's 70's Layla which even in 1955, he felt was over played. Though he initially wanted Jerry to change his name to Derek -- and have the regional coordinators named the Dominos. Though Joe Clarke was holding out for Surf Gods. But Derek and the Dominos made M laugh more than Derek and the Surf Gods -- so they went with that. Though the latter totally cracked Joe up. But Jerry balked. And it was left to Jerry and the Four Shanks. Meanwhile, Eric was seeing one of the Beatles wives who had been in India (who can keep all those cross-rock relations straight -- even the akashic record is having to amp up its servers to handle all the links) and heard another India wife mention the Derek and the Dominos joke -- and history was made. (Little known fact -- Maria Sharapova was conceived with Layla blasting over some cheap but large black market Polish speakers smuggled into Siberia (Sibeeria was Maria's birthplace. Makes banished to Siberia take on whole new meanings.) And the polish speakers were mafufactured in a town that roughly translates as Fair Field. The quality control guy who initialed the speakers ok, was named Derek.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Also the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't give it to them. What could the reason possibly be except to intimidate people? I've been on a lot of courses given by various organizations, and I have never been asked to give that. I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975. Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for identification, and nobody thought anything of it. I think they also asked for it on course applications then as well. It does have the advantage of being a unique identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu shot and was asked for my SS #. I said no, and that was OK with them, but it would never have occurred to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by asking. It used to be almost a reflex to identify people by their SS # and is still used in many cases, although obviously more and more people these days are refusing to give it. It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax purposes, or so I recall. I suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years. I don't think there was ever a law against using it for other things, unless it was changed before I started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name it. I believe I recall being asked to put it on checks when I used them to pay for things in stores. Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? Absolutely. The first title of MMY's publication was the Bacon-lite of the Himalayas. This is a little known fact. Extolling the virtues of eating pork over beef, as any good Hindu Bacon ? I beg your pardon, the name of the book is The Beacon Light of The Himalayas. Maharishi is referring, as always, to the great light from the Himalayas; Shri Brahmananda Saraswati. THANK YOU! for clearing up the terrible confusion about the title of that book! I don't know what I'd do without you! Ditto! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I read what he writes. He is completely absolutely 100% incorrect to distinguish this fanciful 'MMY/TMO enlightenment' or 'MMY-style enlightenment' from other modes or styles of enlightenment. Only a mind in bondage would even concieve of such an abstraction. Enlightenment is enlightenment is enlightenment. Each of us experiences It differently, but It is the same thing. There is no such thing as 'MMY/TMO style enlightenment' vs other styles of enlightenment. The idea is completely incorrect and rediculous! It is a stupid game he plays, who's only object is to disavow his own self-dissolution. Does exhibiting or not exhibiting particular subtle dualistic phenomena qualify as experiencing It differently? What I see as the defining core of awakening is a shift in identity from the limited I/me to pure Being, the conscious nature, or however you choose to describe that I AM THATness. However, one can realize that shift in identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks. Claiming that one is not awake unless he's witnessing 24/7 is absurd; it's like claiming that one is not awake unless he can make steam rise off ice-water soaked sheets wrapped around the body. There's awake and there's *permanently* awake, though of course, even the 24/7 witnessing dudes (TSSWD?) may not be permanently in CC. In my experience, witnessing sleep is more common than witnessing wakefulness. I thought that was the most common way to go but perhaps not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 4:17 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? No. If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. First?! Could have tragic consequenses. Or none at all. Smaller cash flow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 1:56 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked, by implication, to suspend disbelief and support the notion, that Jim who has such poor comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself as in BC. Remember MMY¹s term ³babbling saint²? Not paticulary, but i get your point. Stories from Kumba Mela of odd ones. However, MMY does not appear to be holding as a general rule that babbling fools are prime candidates for his defined TMO/MMY styles of enlightenments. Clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points have ben pointed to by him as highly useful. I think his words ere even as far as necessary for enlightenment (and proper understanding / interpretation of it (per his TMO/MMY style of enlightenment.) From classic literature and other teachers, a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points are also deemed, at a minimum, highly useful, in their defined liberations. So it appears a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points appears to be associated with a very high percentage of those liberated, but perhaps not 100%. Thus, while these qualities are highly useful for liberation, there are other factors. So one can't say such qualities predict high states and liberation is high. However, lack of such qualities may well predict the absence of high states and liberation. That is, per MMY, other teachers, and classical literature, enlightenment [per their system] are found difficult, if not impossible, for those without a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points. I¹m not agreeing that Jim doesn¹t have good communication skills, communications skills is not the primary issue -- rather its a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points. but even if he didn¹t that wouldn¹t necessarily say anything about his level of consciousness. So its a probablistic thing. Thus I would refine and then agree with your statement, but even if he didn¹t have a clear intellect and abilities of sharp discrimination of subtlest points, that wouldn¹t necessarily say that he was not fully liberated. It just says its unlikely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Unretouched photo?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli And from where have you cooked up this rubbish ? Could you explain to me in which way my questions are rubbish? What I see around me is that people's brainfuctioning deteriorates generally deteriorates when they get older. I think it is also a scientifically proven fact. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Snip--- Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so 80's. Quite passe. I have been thinking of my own reaction to the guilt-tripping, and this puts words on what I have been feeling. Very well said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/22/06 12:34 PM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote: I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. It¹s in the files section. That's the one I posted from. That's the earliest then ? I think he means that's the original version that was posted here. Whether that's the early draft version others have mentioned is another question. I'm pretty sure I read it here, so unless something zipped through the a.m.t. group, I'm just misremembering. AD/HD transitioning to AD (Alzheimer's Disease) I guess... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: go beyond the mind experiences in meditation seeing light @ Amritapuri.org
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.amritapuri.org/amma/2006/607beyondmind.php Thanks Rich, that was a wonderful article. And what a photograph ! Wish I had done that ! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' Did you intend this as a refutation of what I said, Paul? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? People don't lose their ability to dream, but many other functions deteriorate with aging. People get more sleep disturbances, they have more difficult to keep their balance, when moving. Balance keeping is a demanding function of coordination in the brain. Mental problems increase with aging often in the form of irrational fears and mild paranoia. If you asked a pathologist, he would definitely claim that there is clear age related deterioration happening in the brain, even if there may appear new structures also. I see a certain kind of deterioration in myself even if I'm only 55. I tend to forget names more easily now. I also have to put my appointments and many tasks on calendar to be sure to remember them on time. When younger I remembered all my appointments easily without any calendar. But I can see improvement also in some other areas. MMY's very weird behaviour and his many irrational claims and stumbling in his speaking I have considered to be a result from weaker brain functioning that is very common in people of his age. I don't claim his behaviour to be a result of a massive stroke. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Thunder in Little Boca
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sitting in my office in Boca Raton and there is the mother of all thunder storms occuring outside. HUGE, long, ripping thunder claps; one after another. Really quite impressive. Makes me jiva jingle! KAAAROOO OOMMM!!! It's George Bush's fault. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 4:17 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? No. If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. First?! Could have tragic consequenses. Or none at all. http://www.yogavisionaries.com see Predictions for 2006 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Also the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't give it to them. What could the reason possibly be except to intimidate people? I've been on a lot of courses given by various organizations, and I have never been asked to give that. I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975. Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for identification, and nobody thought anything of it. I think they also asked for it on course applications then as well. It does have the advantage of being a unique identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu shot and was asked for my SS #. I said no, and that was OK with them, but it would never have occurred to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by asking. It used to be almost a reflex to identify people by their SS # and is still used in many cases, although obviously more and more people these days are refusing to give it. It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax purposes, or so I recall. I suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years. You gotta get out more, Spare Egg. For at least the last 10 years there has been a debate going on in this country as to when and where it is acceptable to give out your Social Security number. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: Do not listen these little voices thinking on who`s winning or who`s loosing. Everyone is winning when more and more people come to fly together in the Dome. This is time for open heart and mind for everyone, this is time for togetherness, friendliness and broad and universal vision. The world is asking us to do the most possible for the world peace. We are those who know that, and we will do the best with our knowledge which we got from our Master and our Holy Tradition. Come everyone, and let us do the best what we can for our world. Every sane voice is very welcome here on this strange forum kenwoodfx. I congratulate you ! If we are attempting to create order and harmony, in a world of disorder and disharmony; And the dome, is regarded by Maharishi, as being one of his most important projects, in the world; and the whole history of Fairfield, the long time of meditators there... Then the seed is the container of the whole tree... So, the seeds planted in the dome: 'ought to radiate the most intense harmony and beauty, peace and love. 'All we are saying, is give peace a chance'- type feeling... So, if we are creating these lower vibration disharmony's and chaos, in our feelings in and towards those in the dome, or running the dome... then we had better all take a pretty good look in the mirror, to find out who is behind this feeling, or creating this feeling of disharmony in the group, and purge it from the group, Omen. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote: I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the deed. And as I noted, a physician I went to for a flu shot asked for it as well. It's still fairly common. And those are routine occurrences? Only in your world, Judy. Uh, no, Sal. It's still fairly common, as I said (and the AARP confirms). Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 bucks and they gave me the shot. I could have been a Martian for all they cared. And that proves...what, exactly? My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS# on it. I complained to them, because I can't carry the card in my wallet. They said they were working on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some time yet. Well, neither my health insurance card or that for my kids has any SS #s on it. My driver's license used to, but they stopped that years ago. I don't remember whether or not I had to give it to apply for any of the credit cards I've had over the years. I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six five years ago. You have to give it on most credit card applications. My landlord wanted it when I first rented the condo I just bought, also five years ago. And these relate to the TMO how, exactly? Would you describe any of the above situations as routine? I thought SS #s were used when security issues were at stake, like with savings accounts and deeds, or when dealing with large amounts of people. Neither of those situations applies to the TMO courses, especially nowadays. You didn't answer my question, Sal. I don't think you have any actual threat in mind. You just thought it sounded good to use the word intimidation. And you've proven my point for me, by admitting you wouldn't give it to them. I think they know perfectly well that people, in general, don't like to give them out and probably never have. I doubt they'd use them for anything (since to my knowledge they never actually have)-- It's a power trip. And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is healthy. And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one, that's it. They don't keep asking you every single time. These idiots just want you to know they've got something on you--again and again. And again, see the AARP link, which explains why SS#s are routinely used for identification. I didn't see any link. For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even if it meant I couldn't go. I don't trust them to keep those records secure from people who might use them for identity theft. So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes-- Of course. But that's not why the TMO is asking for them, obviously. OK, why are they asking for them then? who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that info? Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding citizen, first of all. Some lower-level administrative person with financial needs and no scruples might have access to a list of SS#s and get ideas. Lists of SS#s are worth big bucks in the identity theft market. You can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to individuals who commit the actual identity theft. Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could get to non-TMO people. Someone could walk in a door left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash; a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc. This is why you don't want to have to give out your SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're *worth lots of money*, and even an organization with the most spotless motives can be careless about how they're handled. Knowing the level of disorganization and general incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them to keep the numbers secure. That's my point exactly. Whether it's directly by someone with some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless, you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive information. Neither would I. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Whether 'associated' or 'name', at least one TM bij mantra is a familiar name for a Hindu god, in fact it is a fairly common name in India. In fact Google has no fewer than 11,500 images associated with just one spelling of the 'name' ( 2,940,000 hits webwide). Indeed corruptions of other TM mantras are also popular names. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. Er, the usual definition of mantra isn't name. Of course it isn't. The gods have perfectly good names of their own, and they aren't the same as the bija mantras TM uses. The bija mantras are semantically meaningless sounds that have been *associated with* gods in Hinduism. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
The guidelines as the bar. As Shemp writes: If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, almost no one would be able to pass under it. If it's high then almost anyone can pass under. Doug writing: -They tell ShivaMa that the guidelines are the same and have been extended to cover even citizen sidhas now. David Hawthorne is reject because he Won't renounce or sign a recant of his study or practice of jyotish.. Bill Pollak a `governor' walks in with pony tail down, beard and jean overalls and gits a badge. Go figure, the guidelines have not changed but pages are not read or ignored for some people at some times. It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is John Hagelin's view his people or Bevan's take on the 'administration' of the guidelines. With the TMorg it is all sub-terrain vie-ing. They evidently just can't come out and say it, what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid that if they were universally applied few would be left in the domes at all. There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear about it. It is just TMorg administrative theocracy waiting on MMY. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal Hi Sal, Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit. people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected currently? Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one, to the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most blatant are being accepted. For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was posting here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky black cocktail dress, right? :) ]. Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he is hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. For example, he has a website that postulates or claims realization -- depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large number of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO) BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued many different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book shop, and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But not your typical TMO TBer. So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low I've never understood the anaology of the bar. If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, almost no one would be able to pass under it. If it's high then almost anyone can pass under. So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring to? Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk. for those with quite wide, non-TMO, spiritual topics and practices. Rick said Tom Traynor has also been accepted. Tom appears to also have have wide ranging, beyond TMO, pursuits and practices. And heads a weekly satsang in FF for the enlightened. Again, not your standard TMO TBer. So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It appears to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your observation there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago). Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
on 8/21/06 1:38 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote: My prediction is that anyone who gets on the enlightened list will be banned from future courses. MMY's organization is not built for people who claim to have reached the goal. The only one beard in the room rule still applies. Am I wrong? That was my response to my friend. The powers that be (and some people on this list) get very nervous when someone claims to have reached the goal. If Maharishi is not open to input about the TMO, why would he be open to any experience of higher states that does not conform to the framework that he has laid down. Hasn't anyone noticed that many (if not the majority of) people who have stabilized higher states move away from the TMO? JohnY The TMO is for people in ignorance striving for enlightenment. That's its dharma. It has nothing to do with life after realization. This seems to be true, and also, the idea, that Maharishi has some kind of monopoly on enlightenment, or verifying 'true' enlightenment, as defined by the TMO, or him, is simply ridiculous; It reminds me of the fundies who claim the proclaiming Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and that Jesus is God, and died for your sins: Is the only way, you're gonna get into Heaven... Ok, it's the same things, you crazy meditators... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
(snip) No TMO/MMY enlightenment afer MMY passes then? Tougher for both parties to get to the mic then. JohnY The thing about being enlightened is: as Maharishi has said: that: one has access to all knowledge. Therefore, it would follow from this, then: If one is enlightened, then one has direct access to the transcendent. When one has direct access to the transcendent, then it would follow, that one has access to 'other levels of reality' , which would support experiences and knowledge, that to one who was not enlightened; Would have little or no meaning. My point here being; that when you are in touch more with your own infinite soul; You have access to these different levels; And if it became necessary to communicate with Maharishi; Whether he is still on this physical earth plane or not. Doesn't really [matter], no pun intended... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
I post stuff for information, not to refute other people's opinions. It is very difficult (if not impossible) to reconcile some of the things that MMY has said. Incidentally, there is currently a time lapse to my postings of many hours, this message is being sent from FFL website at Wed Aug 23 10:34 UK time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' Did you intend this as a refutation of what I said, Paul? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Several postings have not yet appeared, which I posted prior to this message, but maybe there is still a chance they will. Oh well, at least the time lapse appears to have been arighted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I post stuff for information, not to refute other people's opinions. It is very difficult (if not impossible) to reconcile some of the things that MMY has said. Incidentally, there is currently a time lapse to my postings of many hours, this message is being sent from FFL website at Wed Aug 23 10:34 UK time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' Did you intend this as a refutation of what I said, Paul? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Is Hillary Destined to clean up Bush's Mess?'
I heard a strange predictionlast night,from someone: He said he has some kind of weird dream, about the future; In the dream,Hillary won in 2008; But things were real bad...I mean, George Bush, had left things so chaotic; Wars and chaos all over the world... That by 2012...She would be running against Jeb Bush...And that this would be the 'End Time' When Christ returns... R.G. Seattle... __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure the reference is to a bar that you step over. But the image of all those Rajas dancing around trying to get under a limbo bar is definitely a good one. Sal It's the crown thing, isn't it... On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I've never understood the anaology of the bar. If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, almost no one would be able to pass under it. If it's high then almost anyone can pass under. So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring to? Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Newsnight video from last year
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl? tab=avq=maharishirecipe=allscope=alledition= NEWSNIGHT The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has described Britain as a scorpion nation unworthy of learning his advanced meditation techniques. Stephen Smith asks if this could mean the end of yogic flying on British shores. First broadcast 15 Aug 05 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Listen, Paul, she's going to beat you over the head until you realize that no matter how many times in how many ways Maharishi has said that the mantras are names of gods, that they are not the names of gods. I think Paul probably knows better already, Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY, Old Age
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? Actually, the MD/PH.d (neurology) that I used to take my mom -- with alzhiemers -- to said If you live to be old enough, you will develop Alszheimers. Alzhiemers, amonsgt other things, is a gooping up of the brain with plaque and all. And it happens to everyone according to him, given enough time. For some it starts earlier than others. I have not found strong confirmation of this in Alzhiemers articles -- though I have not looked hard. And this guy, young, weel read in current research, dual doctoral degrees from major universities, appeared convinced of his statements. Kind of puts the TMO immortality model in perspective everything just keeps changing, the body keeps changing, but it never dies. Perhaps it changes into a no-memory, near comotose living entity -- and then more. What your MD/Phd doesn't realise is that most Alzhiemers is largely caused by eating red meat as well as unhealthy food, to which most people he examines have been exposed for decades. ALzheimer's is almost certainly a genetic disorder agravated by environmental factors. While the research shows that just about everyone eventually develops some plaque, the degree and placement of AD plaque is unique. It's an either/or thing: you got it or you don't and once you have it, it develops pretty fast. Also, cleansing of the body through PK, asanas, exercise, etc. will greatly reduce the risk of Alzhiemers I am sure. Most doctors are in the dark about these things. Old school. 20th century. There's no evidence either way, as far as I know. I'm sure that healthy living and eating will have SOME effect on the disease's progress, but so does keeping an alert and varied mental lifestyle and THAT has been documented reasonably well, unlike physical lifestyle changes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
Here's the skinny on Social Security numbers from AARP: http://tinyurl.com/jdxf4 The *only* reason cited for not giving out your Social Security number is identity theft. It also enumerates the many types of institutions that still use SS#s for identification purposes and explains why the number is so useful. A quote from the introduction: Because both government agencies and private businesses use SSNs for a wide range of non-Social Security purposes, the SSN has become a de facto national identifier.2 For this reason, SSNs are much sought after by identity thieves, who use these numbers to assume the identity of another individual and commit fraud. With an estimated 10 million individuals being victimized by identity theft each year, preventing identity thieves from obtaining SSNs is increasingly essential to helping protect individuals from fraud.3 A recent Government Accountability Office (GAO) report examining how SSNs are used in the public sector found that federal, state, and local government agencies use them for a variety of non-Social Security purposes, including identity verification, data sharing, research, and the administration of programs that deliver services and benefits to the public.4 This creates numerous documents and records that contain SSNs, many of which are available to the public for inspection.5 In addition, some government agencies print SSNs on individual eligibility and identification cards, making it easier for identity thieves to gain access to this key number. The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity thieves.7 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? Absolutely. The first title of MMY's publication was the Bacon-lite of the Himalayas. This is a little known fact. Extolling the virtues of eating pork over beef, as any good Hindu Bacon ? I beg your pardon, the name of the book is The Beacon Light of The Himalayas. Maharishi is referring, as always, to the great light from the Himalayas; Shri Brahmananda Saraswati. Sorry, but now I have to beg your pardon. I just checked it. The verified correct title is The Balkin Lute of the Himalayas highlighting the glorious career of Serbian Lute player, Saraswitcki. Forget what I said before about the bacon-lite stuff, that was completely wrong. A work often confused with the better-known Barking Lad of the Humina Huminas, a 19th-century parable about a boy driven insane by lust for the unattainable high priestesses of the Braunschweiger Sarsparilla fast-food cult. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unretouched photo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or does this building have an aura? Lens artifact, I suspect, if it is unretouched. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli And from where have you cooked up this rubbish ? Could you explain to me in which way my questions are rubbish? What I see around me is that people's brainfuctioning deteriorates generally deteriorates when they get older. I think it is also a scientifically proven fact. Most of that obvious deteriation is due to disease and stroke, NOT just because someone has gotten older. Nurses are warned to watch out for obvious changes of cognitive ability in older patients as signs of such things. A little forgetfulness is one thing, but a LOT is something else. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Also the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't give it to them. What could the reason possibly be except to intimidate people? I've been on a lot of courses given by various organizations, and I have never been asked to give that. I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975. Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for identification, and nobody thought anything of it. I think they also asked for it on course applications then as well. It does have the advantage of being a unique identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu shot and was asked for my SS #. I said no, and that was OK with them, but it would never have occurred to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by asking. It used to be almost a reflex to identify people by their SS # and is still used in many cases, although obviously more and more people these days are refusing to give it. It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax purposes, or so I recall. I suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years. You gotta get out more, Spare Egg. For at least the last 10 years there has been a debate going on in this country as to when and where it is acceptable to give out your Social Security number. Yep, and 33 years ago, the issue was pretty clearcut, or so I recall. Remember the scandal at the U of AZ about using the SSN as the student ID number? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether 'associated' or 'name', at least one TM bij mantra is a familiar name for a Hindu god, in fact it is a fairly common name in India. In fact Google has no fewer than 11,500 images associated with just one spelling of the 'name' ( 2,940,000 hits webwide). Indeed corruptions of other TM mantras are also popular names. No doubt, but this is a relatively modern tradition, is it not? The bija mantras may predate the Vedic age in India... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. Er, the usual definition of mantra isn't name. Of course it isn't. The gods have perfectly good names of their own, and they aren't the same as the bija mantras TM uses. The bija mantras are semantically meaningless sounds that have been *associated with* gods in Hinduism. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Also the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't give it to them. What could the reason possibly be except to intimidate people? I've been on a lot of courses given by various organizations, and I have never been asked to give that. I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975. Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for identification, and nobody thought anything of it. I think they also asked for it on course applications then as well. It does have the advantage of being a unique identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu shot and was asked for my SS #. I said no, and that was OK with them, but it would never have occurred to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by asking. It used to be almost a reflex to identify people by their SS # and is still used in many cases, although obviously more and more people these days are refusing to give it. It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax purposes, or so I recall. I suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years. I don't think there was ever a law against using it for other things, unless it was changed before I started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name it. I believe I recall being asked to put it on checks when I used them to pay for things in stores. Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored. The latter, I think. I recall a huge outcry against using teh SSN as the student ID at the U of AZ back in the early 70's. There was a legal component where it was argued that it was illegal to do so in the first place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? People don't lose their ability to dream, but many other functions deteriorate with aging. People get more sleep disturbances, they have more difficult to keep their balance, when moving. Balance keeping is a demanding function of coordination in the brain. Mental problems increase with aging often in the form of irrational fears and mild paranoia. If you asked a pathologist, he would definitely claim that there is clear age related deterioration happening in the brain, even if there may appear new structures also. I see a certain kind of deterioration in myself even if I'm only 55. I tend to forget names more easily now. I also have to put my appointments and many tasks on calendar to be sure to remember them on time. When younger I remembered all my appointments easily without any calendar. But I can see improvement also in some other areas. MMY's very weird behaviour and his many irrational claims and stumbling in his speaking I have considered to be a result from weaker brain functioning that is very common in people of his age. I don't claim his behaviour to be a result of a massive stroke. Without a massive stroke, I see no reason to assume he's become unenlightened due to age, and I'm not sure that even that would do it. States of consciousness (and I suspect that at least CC and certainly TC, qualify as unqiue states of consciousness) are pretty hard to get rid of. 89 year old (90?) enlightened sages may be a little forgetful and irritable, but they're still enlightened sages, I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's gone pop-up!
http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/home.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: These have been around for a while. Somebody posted the URL of a Web site that sells them sometime back. First time I've seen them. Funny thing is, there is NOTHING the TMO can do any more that can surprise me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here! -- Steve Martin from The Jerk Just got the latest edition of the Total Health Catalog from the good people at Maharishi Ayurveda today in the mail. Other than the photos accompanying various products of the usual happy, healthy, always-smiling robotrons (I always wonder whether the people they use are non-meditating models from stock photos or stock photos of meditators), the one item of note is that Guru Dev has gone pop- up! Yes indeedy, about 5 pages after the $7-a-drop Maharishi Honey selections are three pages of various celebrative full-color glittering three-dimensional foldout cards WITH AUTOMATIC MUSIC PLAYER (my emphasis) of one Brahmananda Saraswati in various regalia, dress and hairstyles (pre-Shankaracharya ordination crew-cut, with or without umbrella, etc.), the usual rainbows, doves, sanskrit, David- Bowie-glitter...and a price tag to boot: from $12 to $24. Take that, Hallmark! I think for the next issue they should come out with a limited edition Incident at Annapurna pop-up card featuring the Levi Butler murder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? People don't lose their ability to dream, but many other functions deteriorate with aging. People get more sleep disturbances, they have more difficult to keep their balance, when moving. Balance keeping is a demanding function of coordination in the brain. Mental problems increase with aging often in the form of irrational fears and mild paranoia. If you asked a pathologist, he would definitely claim that there is clear age related deterioration happening in the brain, even if there may appear new structures also. I see a certain kind of deterioration in myself even if I'm only 55. I tend to forget names more easily now. I also have to put my appointments and many tasks on calendar to be sure to remember them on time. When younger I remembered all my appointments easily without any calendar. But I can see improvement also in some other areas. MMY's very weird behaviour and his many irrational claims and stumbling in his speaking I have considered to be a result from weaker brain functioning that is very common in people of his age. I don't claim his behaviour to be a result of a massive stroke. Without a massive stroke, I see no reason to assume he's become unenlightened due to age, and I'm not sure that even that would do it. States of consciousness (and I suspect that at least CC and certainly TC, qualify as unqiue states of consciousness) are pretty hard to get rid of. 89 year old (90?) enlightened sages may be a little forgetful and irritable, but they're still enlightened sages, I think. I agree, but do their brainwave scans still qualify for the TMO style enlightenment? Has any research been made on this issue? Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
MMY is on record as advocating freedom from the restrictions of the binding power of speech. I am sympathetic with anyone who attempts to reconcile his various statements about mantras, the effects of meditation, the genesis of TM, et al. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' Listen, Paul, she's going to beat you over the head until you realize that no matter how many times in how many ways Maharishi has said that the mantras are names of gods, that they are not the names of gods. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hell not quite frozen over yet, but
Dear Friends at FFLife, It's been awhile since I've had time or inclination to check in, but I thought it might be useful to relate my experiences applying for the current superradiance course in progress here. I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. I am satisfied that my case was given as fair and favorable a review as possible under the circumstances, and with the exception of one or two moderately bumpy exchanges, I can assure you that my interactions with the course office were cordial and respectful on both sides. The point I am making here is: Yes, things are a bit different, and the changes are positive. I had not intended to apply for this course, inasmuch as I anticipated there was not much likelihood that I would be accepted. However, the daily barrage of encouragement from my many friends who were absolutely convinced that I would be accepted took its toll, and I figured that the worst case scenario was that I would be able to show them that I was right and they were wrong. And we all know how beautiful it is to be right. During the process, I would have to admit, I was won over. Not so much by the process itself, but by the glowing reports I have been hearing from countless friends who have been participating. I offer a few observations and conclusions: Something special is definitely going on here. Not just the obviousWhat? A FREE COURSE from the movement?!?but also in the experiences people are having and in the interactions with Maharishi. Considering how the prospects for the Movement were looking a year ago, it strikes me as nothing short of miraculous. Furthermore, this could be a one-of-a-kind. There will be crises in the future, to be sure, but whether this opportunity will be available is not a given. I don't know anyone who really expected Maharishi to be interacting so freely with course participants EVER again. Although I have not been participating in the group programs, I definitely feel the surge of wakefulness that has arrived with this program, and am feeling the benefits. I found the process of applying to be useful in terms of letting go of old garbagehard feelings, etc. I have no regrets about that. For the record, I do not feel that I compromised any of my own ethical principles in this process, nor did I grovel. Nor do I believe that by groveling I could have changed the ultimate result of my application. I even had some unexpectedly positive interactions with Dr Hagelin, and was sincerely impressed by his generally classy responses to my occasionally two-fisted assertions and queries. I am aware that many of you who are not participating in this course may be simply uninterested, and I am OK with that. However, if you are in the category (as I was for quite some time) of individuals whose reasons for not applying basically boil down to hard feelings, then I would encourage you to lighten up a bit and take a chance. I did, and have no regrets. Ciao, L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's gone pop-up!
Curious, that posting took about 12 hours to arrive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/home.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: These have been around for a while. Somebody posted the URL of a Web site that sells them sometime back. First time I've seen them. Funny thing is, there is NOTHING the TMO can do any more that can surprise me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here! -- Steve Martin from The Jerk Just got the latest edition of the Total Health Catalog from the good people at Maharishi Ayurveda today in the mail. Other than the photos accompanying various products of the usual happy, healthy, always-smiling robotrons (I always wonder whether the people they use are non-meditating models from stock photos or stock photos of meditators), the one item of note is that Guru Dev has gone pop- up! Yes indeedy, about 5 pages after the $7-a-drop Maharishi Honey selections are three pages of various celebrative full-color glittering three-dimensional foldout cards WITH AUTOMATIC MUSIC PLAYER (my emphasis) of one Brahmananda Saraswati in various regalia, dress and hairstyles (pre-Shankaracharya ordination crew-cut, with or without umbrella, etc.), the usual rainbows, doves, sanskrit, David- Bowie-glitter...and a price tag to boot: from $12 to $24. Take that, Hallmark! I think for the next issue they should come out with a limited edition Incident at Annapurna pop-up card featuring the Levi Butler murder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
And none of that applies to the TMO, as you know, Judy. If you think they could identify Micky Mouse by his SS #, try a little test. Try giving them a fake one and see what happens--bet nothing will, because they've never put in place the means to detect a fake one, probably because they don't have the brains to. They have no database to speak of, which is why they ask for it every time. It's simply intimidation, like I said. Sal On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:56 PM, authfriend wrote: The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity thieves.7
[FairfieldLife] John Lennon's refusal of baksheesh worth thousands
'A rare autographed letter sent by John Lennon to an Indian fan during his sojourn in Rishikesh for a course of meditation with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi went for £9,400 ($14,000).' Whilst in Rishikesh with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1968, John Lennon responded to the Indian fan's request for money by writing: If every request like yours was granted - there would be no 'huge treasure' as you call it - All you need is initiative. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Where on earth do you get this idea that when someone posts something they are asking by implication that it be supported by those on this board? First, lets clarify that support the notion is casual conversational language. It would be, formally, more precise, to have said find plausible the notion. Does your point and objection change if I make that innoccuous substitution? No. I continue to have no interest at all in whether or not what I state here is accepted by others as plausible or not. If it is accepted, fine. If not, fine. All of your further ranting about my difficiencies as you see them only reflects back on you, sir. It is an attempt to disavow your own fear of dissolution. Now that I have your attention, please support your earlier statement, quoted below from post 110920, by listing ONE PERSON who you believe to be enlightened (a very low bar, I might add): The above statements do NOT translate, imply, infer or mean any of the following statments (that some have oddly seen in my posts): - No one is enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, but
Sweet...glad to hear from you LB, and your objective assessment. I can't be bothered with going to Iowa again, but I feel maybe something even from here in Vermont (which is heaven on earth anyway, even at the worst of times). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, It's been awhile since I've had time or inclination to check in, but I thought it might be useful to relate my experiences applying for the current superradiance course in progress here. I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. I am satisfied that my case was given as fair and favorable a review as possible under the circumstances, and with the exception of one or two moderately bumpy exchanges, I can assure you that my interactions with the course office were cordial and respectful on both sides. The point I am making here is: Yes, things are a bit different. I had not intended to apply for this course, inasmuch as I didn't see much chance that I would be accepted. However, the daily barrage of encouragement from my many friends who were absolutely convinced that I WOULD be accepted took its toll; I figured that in the worst case scenario, I would be able to show them that I was right and they were wrong. And we all know how sweet it is to be right. During the process, I would have to admit, I was won over. Not so much by the process itself, but by the glowing reports I have been hearing from countless friends who have been participating. I offer a few observations and conclusions: Something special is definitely going on here. Not just the obviousWhat? A FREE COURSE from the movement?!?but also in the experiences people are having and in the interactions with Maharishi. Considering how the prospects for the Movemen's future were looking a year ago, it strikes me as nothing short of miraculous. Furthermore, this could be a one-of-a-kind. There will be crises in the future, to be sure, but whether this opportunity will be available is not a given. I don't know anyone who really expected Maharishi to be interacting so freely with course participants EVER again. Although I have not been participating in the group programs, I definitely feel the surge of wakefulness that has arrived with this course, and am feeling its benefits. I found the process of applying to be useful in terms of letting go of old garbagehard feelings, etc. I have no regrets about that. For the record, I do not feel that I compromised any of my own ethical principles in this process, nor did I grovel. Nor do I believe that by groveling I could have changed the ultimate result of my application. I even had some unexpectedly positive interactions with Dr Hagelin, and was sincerely impressed by his generally classy responses to my occasionally two- fisted assertions and queries. I am aware that many of you who are not participating in this course may be simply uninterested, and I am OK with that. However, if you are in the category (as I was for quite some time) of individuals whose reasons for not applying basically boil down to hard feelings, then I would encourage you to lighten up a bit and take a chance. I did, and have no regrets. Ciao, L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/21/06 4:41 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I would be very interested to hear accounts of people telling MMY they were living in higher states of consciousness. Does MMY claim that King Tony is enlightened? Pretty much. He said he investigated and found that every cell in his body was permeated with Pure Consciousness. I welcome a more accurate rendition of that quote. That¹s my recollection. I would love to hear Tony talk about his experiences outside of the TMO rhetoric. Why would he? Did Jesus talk about God outside the Hebrew rhetoric? Did Buddha make up terms or use the traditional ones? Why not? Why does he have to do things like anyone in the past, anyway? Also, don't you think, people in his family, and friends see him in an average enviornment. It's just the fact, that in that level of consciousness; Instead of seeing everything as seperate from yourself; You experience yourself as one with everything... So, you are having a Unity experience, whether using the movements jargon, or just sitting on the beach... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Lennon's refusal of baksheesh worth thousands
Fan's cash appeal pays off after 33 years A Beatles fan who appealed to John Lennon for money may get his reward 33 years later when the star's dismissive reply is sold at auction. Indian fan Mr Bulla wrote to the singer in 1968 asking him to fund a round-the-world trip. Lennon's dismissive reply is likely to fetch up to £6,500 at auction later this month. It is thought Lennon wrote the reply while he was in India undergoing an intensive course of meditation. The letter says: If every request like yours was granted there would be no 'huge treasure' as you call it. All you need is initiative. If you don't have it, I suggest you try transcendental meditation through which all things are possible. The sale of the letter, along with other pop memorabilia, will be held on April 26, reports the Daily Express. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'A rare autographed letter sent by John Lennon to an Indian fan during his sojourn in Rishikesh for a course of meditation with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi went for £9,400 ($14,000).' Whilst in Rishikesh with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1968, John Lennon responded to the Indian fan's request for money by writing: If every request like yours was granted - there would be no 'huge treasure' as you call it - All you need is initiative. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. Er, the usual definition of mantra isn't name. Of course it isn't. The gods have perfectly good names of their own, and they aren't the same as the bija mantras TM uses. The bija mantras are semantically meaningless sounds that have been *associated with* gods in Hinduism. I still remember the definition of the mantra, for us; Was that it was a sound, with Known Qualities. Life-Supporting qualities. In those days when he first came out of India, and used to the Indian use of Mantras, he would have had to teach it differently to that culture, as compared to our culture. Maharishi decided to distill the mantra concept for a 'Name of God' To: a suitible sound for transcending with 'life-supporting effects. This was a more simple and acceptible way of expressing his ideas in the West. It was never to decieve anyone; Rather it was to simplify his technique, so it would simple involve trascending. Then when in the 70's the technique was rejected as a teaching worthy of the public school system; And claimed that mantras to be names of gods, and so on, and so forth. Plus the fact at that time; that people in the movement were clamoring for more techniques; Maharishi started to teach the more advance yogic techniques; As we are all well aware. Now there is nothing hidden in the TMO's agenda of veiling the TM movements identification with 'Hindu Gods and Goddesses'. So, the movement has evolved, the way it has evolved; Based on the need of the time; Because so many people, after learnng TM, Went on to learn other things; Or just weren't that interested to continue there spiritual seeking; In the same way. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
All that can safely said is that the bija mantras pre-date our age. People stuck for something to say tend to go 'mm', which is just about how the pranava bij mantra is correctly spelt i.e. Long uu long nasal M. That appears to be natural, and is likely to predate experiments with mantra meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Whether 'associated' or 'name', at least one TM bij mantra is a familiar name for a Hindu god, in fact it is a fairly common name in India. In fact Google has no fewer than 11,500 images associated with just one spelling of the 'name' ( 2,940,000 hits webwide). Indeed corruptions of other TM mantras are also popular names. No doubt, but this is a relatively modern tradition, is it not? The bija mantras may predate the Vedic age in India... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty Grad students studying ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) should now tune in to observe Judy Stein's next 40 posts in which she will demonstrate that Maharishi did NOT mean in that quote that TM mantras are the names of gods. And then she will call you a liar. Er, the usual definition of mantra isn't name. Of course it isn't. The gods have perfectly good names of their own, and they aren't the same as the bija mantras TM uses. The bija mantras are semantically meaningless sounds that have been *associated with* gods in Hinduism. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some discussion related to yogananda's alleged sexual activities http://p208.ezboard.com/fcultbusterssrfdivisionfrm7.showMessage?topicID=84.t opic or http://tinyurl.com/fd6zv Unlike MMY's confirmed ones? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote: I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the deed. And as I noted, a physician I went to for a flu shot asked for it as well. It's still fairly common. And those are routine occurrences? Of course. What would *you* call them?? Do you think I was somehow singled out for special treatment? Only in your world, Judy. Uh, no, Sal. It's still fairly common, as I said (and the AARP confirms). Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 bucks and they gave me the shot. I could have been a Martian for all they cared. And that proves...what, exactly? My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS# on it. I complained to them, because I can't carry the card in my wallet. They said they were working on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some time yet. Well, neither my health insurance card or that for my kids has any SS #s on it. My driver's license used to, but they stopped that years ago. I don't remember whether or not I had to give it to apply for any of the credit cards I've had over the years. Since the advent of identity theft, there is a growing movement to stop using SS#s for routine identification. But by no means everyone is on board with it yet. Some institutions stopped using it earlier than others. I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six five years ago. You have to give it on most credit card applications. My landlord wanted it when I first rented the condo I just bought, also five years ago. And these relate to the TMO how, exactly? I don't understand the question. I'm responding to your assertion that asking for SS#s has never been routine and is hardly done at all any more, and *therefore* that the TMO's request for it is somehow sinister. Would you describe any of the above situations as routine? Again, what would *you* call them? Do you think I was being singled out for special treatment, or is everyone who opens a bank account at that bank required to give their SS#? I thought SS #s were used when security issues were at stake, like with savings accounts and deeds, or when dealing with large amounts of people. Neither of those situations applies to the TMO courses, especially nowadays. A lot of people learned the TM-Sidhis and were, as I recall, asked to give their SS#s, as they were when they learned plain-vanilla TM, and when they applied for other courses. The SS# is therefore an easy way to track a person's TM career, as it were, in this case to make sure they had actually taken the TM-Sidhis course. You didn't answer my question, Sal. I don't think you have any actual threat in mind. You just thought it sounded good to use the word intimidation. And you've proven my point for me, by admitting you wouldn't give it to them. Good GRIEF. You claimed they were asking for it to *intimidate* people. Is the TMO trying to intimidate people by making them think their SS#s won't be secure? That makes no *sense*, Sal. Intimidation and concerns about security are two entirely different issues. I think they know perfectly well that people, in general, don't like to give them out and probably never have. One more time: Asking for SS#s as a means of identification *used* to be routine, and still is in many cases. I seriously doubt they even thought about it. That's certainly typical TMO *incompetence*, but it's not meant as a *threat*, i.e., if you give us your SS#, we'll make it available to identity thieves. I doubt they'd use them for anything (since to my knowledge they never actually have) How would you know if they had? I'd be surprised if they hadn't used them to correlate records of all kinds. The SS# is a unique national identifier, which is why it was used routinely for so long as a means of identifying people, including distinguishing individuals who have the same names, for example. -- It's a power trip. And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is healthy. That's just paranoid, Sal. The TMO has always been on a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to verify that one is qualified to go on particular courses and so on, and they could certainly check that just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty and more possibility of error. I haven't gone on a course in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this, but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator when you applied for a course. That was another way of checking to make sure you had actually learned TM. In other words, unless they were to ask for no personal information at all, the intimidation you're imagining would still
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And none of that applies to the TMO, as you know, Judy. None of *what* applies to the TMO?? If you think they could identify Micky Mouse by his SS #, I don't believe I ever suggested that, Sal. I don't think Mickey Mouse has a SS#. What the *blazes* are you talking about? try a little test. Try giving them a fake one and see what happens--bet nothing will, because they've never put in place the means to detect a fake one, probably because they don't have the brains to. They have no database to speak of, which is why they ask for it every time. Um. It isn't a matter of detecting a fake SS#. If they checked, they'd find the SS# you gave wasn't in their database (of course they have a database!), so they wouldn't be able to verify that you'd ever learned TM, much less the TM-Sidhis. They ask for it every time so they can correlate it with their other records. Names aren't as good an identifier for any number of reasons. It's probably not a very *good* database, but they've had a database ever since I learned TM in '75, certainly. How do you think National was able to send out all those mailings? It's simply intimidation, like I said. And you *still* haven't come up with the threat that you imagine they're intimidating you *with*! Sal On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:56 PM, authfriend wrote: The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity thieves.7 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that can safely said is that the bija mantras pre-date our age. I believe there is some evidence that the bija mantras predate traditional Hinduism, actually. People stuck for something to say tend to go 'mm', which is just about how the pranava bij mantra is correctly spelt i.e. Long uu long nasal M. That appears to be natural, and is likely to predate experiments with mantra meditation. But is not likely to have been the source of the bija mantras... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] One handed rubric cube solved in 20 secs
Far out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJz02Nh99Cs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Is Hillary Destined to clean up Bush's Mess?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard a strange prediction last night, from someone: He said he has some kind of weird dream, about the future; In the dream, Hillary won in 2008; But things were real bad... I mean, George Bush, had left things so chaotic; Wars and chaos all over the world... That by 2012... She would be running against Jeb Bush... And that this would be the 'End Time' When Christ returns... R.G. Seattle... Interesting dream. According to Benjamim Creme, The Christ is already in incarnation. Please see: http://www.shareintl.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY is on record as advocating freedom from the restrictions of the binding power of speech. I am sympathetic with anyone who attempts to reconcile his various statements about mantras, the effects of meditation, the genesis of TM, et al. Perhaps you can give a context for this remark? Otherwise, I'm challking it up to your usual cynicism. BTW, lest everyone think that Paul is so knowledgeable as to be justified in is cynicism, I'd like to point out that there are people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO, who aren't nearly as cynical. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' Listen, Paul, she's going to beat you over the head until you realize that no matter how many times in how many ways Maharishi has said that the mantras are names of gods, that they are not the names of gods. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Dylan Says Modern Music Sucks'
Dylan says modern recordings "atrocious" Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:30pm ET LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bob Dylan says the quality of modern recordings is "atrocious," and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc. "I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really," the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Dylan, who released eight studio albums in the past two decades, returns with his first recording in five years, "Modern Times," next Tuesday. Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, "Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway." "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them," he added. "There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static." Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle. "Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it." © Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, complete with physiological styles of functioning. I'm curious, is there any observation of people losing their enlightened brainwave pattern, when they get old and senile, and hence also having lost their TMO style enlightenment. People's brainfuctioning generally deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his respectably high age). Irmeli Actually, brain-functioning doesn't deteriorate all that much just because you get old, and MMY doesn't show any signs of a stroke that I can see. Would you ask if people lose the ability to sleep or dream just because they got old? People don't lose their ability to dream, but many other functions deteriorate with aging. People get more sleep disturbances, they have more difficult to keep their balance, when moving. Balance keeping is a demanding function of coordination in the brain. Mental problems increase with aging often in the form of irrational fears and mild paranoia. If you asked a pathologist, he would definitely claim that there is clear age related deterioration happening in the brain, even if there may appear new structures also. I see a certain kind of deterioration in myself even if I'm only 55. I tend to forget names more easily now. I also have to put my appointments and many tasks on calendar to be sure to remember them on time. When younger I remembered all my appointments easily without any calendar. But I can see improvement also in some other areas. MMY's very weird behaviour and his many irrational claims and stumbling in his speaking I have considered to be a result from weaker brain functioning that is very common in people of his age. I don't claim his behaviour to be a result of a massive stroke. Without a massive stroke, I see no reason to assume he's become unenlightened due to age, and I'm not sure that even that would do it. States of consciousness (and I suspect that at least CC and certainly TC, qualify as unqiue states of consciousness) are pretty hard to get rid of. 89 year old (90?) enlightened sages may be a little forgetful and irritable, but they're still enlightened sages, I think. I agree, but do their brainwave scans still qualify for the TMO style enlightenment? Has any research been made on this issue? Not that I've heard of. But, as I said, there's no theory to predict that people would suddenly become unenlightened as they got older, and in fact, modern science, while it doesn't call it enlightenment, says that older people tend to get *wiser* by virtue of the larger number of connections in the brain. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And none of that applies to the TMO, as you know, Judy. If you think they could identify Micky Mouse by his SS #, try a little test. Try giving them a fake one and see what happens--bet nothing will, because they've never put in place the means to detect a fake one, probably because they don't have the brains to. They have no database to speak of, which is why they ask for it every time. It's simply intimidation, like I said. Sal They didn't have my SSN back then, but there was enough of a database at one point for me to call up cand get my teacher's name. BTW, if you're correct that people only need to ask for an SSN once, why would the IRS want you to put it on paper? Maybe to verify they've got the right Sal Sunshine? On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:56 PM, authfriend wrote: The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity thieves.7 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. Of course not. They would have to eat way too much crow to let you in. -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that can safely said is that the bija mantras pre-date our age. I believe there is some evidence that the bija mantras predate traditional Hinduism, actually. People stuck for something to say tend to go 'mm', which is just about how the pranava bij mantra is correctly spelt i.e. Long uu long nasal M. That appears to be natural, and is likely to predate experiments with mantra meditation. But is not likely to have been the source of the bija mantras... Ahh, are you sure? ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
there are people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO, who aren't nearly as cynical. Is there anything online about this? I would like to read some more early movement history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: MMY is on record as advocating freedom from the restrictions of the binding power of speech. I am sympathetic with anyone who attempts to reconcile his various statements about mantras, the effects of meditation, the genesis of TM, et al. Perhaps you can give a context for this remark? Otherwise, I'm challking it up to your usual cynicism. BTW, lest everyone think that Paul is so knowledgeable as to be justified in is cynicism, I'd like to point out that there are people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO, who aren't nearly as cynical. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Even though the terms Transcendental Meditation TM had not been coined, in 'Thirty Years Around the World' it states catagorically that before the yagna performed in October 1955, 'Throughout Kerala Maharishi was instructing the people in Transcendental Meditation'. In 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (an allusion to Guru Dev) Bal Brhmachari Mahsh (as he signed himself some weeks later) tells the audience:- 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' Listen, Paul, she's going to beat you over the head until you realize that no matter how many times in how many ways Maharishi has said that the mantras are names of gods, that they are not the names of gods. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: In 'Meditation: easy system propounded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' (c1959) there is to be found a series of questions which includes the following: Q. How does meditation improve the fortune of a man? A. Our system of meditation involves the All Mighty Power. We take the 'MANTRA' of some God according to our faith and meditate on that. The power of the 'MANTRA' brings to us the Almighty All Mighty Power sounds like a rough translation of Ishvara (sp) from Patanjali. But note that he does *not* say the mantras are names of gods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unretouched photo?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or does this building have an aura? Is it a photograph or drawing ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: One handed rubric cube solved in 20 secs
I wonder how a nerd would become supernaturally dexterous with one hand... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Far out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJz02Nh99Cs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, but
LBS: Thanks for the info and good luck to you, SAB --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, It's been awhile since I've had time or inclination to check in, but I thought it might be useful to relate my experiences applying for the current superradiance course in progress here. I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. I am satisfied that my case was given as fair and favorable a review as possible under the circumstances, and with the exception of one or two moderately bumpy exchanges, I can assure you that my interactions with the course office were cordial and respectful on both sides. The point I am making here is: Yes, things are a bit different. I had not intended to apply for this course, inasmuch as I didn't see much chance that I would be accepted. However, the daily barrage of encouragement from my many friends who were absolutely convinced that I WOULD be accepted took its toll; I figured that in the worst case scenario, I would be able to show them that I was right and they were wrong. And we all know how sweet it is to be right. During the process, I would have to admit, I was won over. Not so much by the process itself, but by the glowing reports I have been hearing from countless friends who have been participating. I offer a few observations and conclusions: Something special is definitely going on here. Not just the obviousWhat? A FREE COURSE from the movement?!?but also in the experiences people are having and in the interactions with Maharishi. Considering how the prospects for the Movemen's future were looking a year ago, it strikes me as nothing short of miraculous. Furthermore, this could be a one-of-a-kind. There will be crises in the future, to be sure, but whether this opportunity will be available is not a given. I don't know anyone who really expected Maharishi to be interacting so freely with course participants EVER again. Although I have not been participating in the group programs, I definitely feel the surge of wakefulness that has arrived with this course, and am feeling its benefits. I found the process of applying to be useful in terms of letting go of old garbagehard feelings, etc. I have no regrets about that. For the record, I do not feel that I compromised any of my own ethical principles in this process, nor did I grovel. Nor do I believe that by groveling I could have changed the ultimate result of my application. I even had some unexpectedly positive interactions with Dr Hagelin, and was sincerely impressed by his generally classy responses to my occasionally two- fisted assertions and queries. I am aware that many of you who are not participating in this course may be simply uninterested, and I am OK with that. However, if you are in the category (as I was for quite some time) of individuals whose reasons for not applying basically boil down to hard feelings, then I would encourage you to lighten up a bit and take a chance. I did, and have no regrets. Ciao, L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY is on record as advocating freedom from the restrictions of the binding power of speech. I am sympathetic with anyone who attempts to reconcile his various statements about mantras, the effects of meditation, the genesis of TM, et al. And perhaps you have some examples of inconsistencies with regard to what he has said about mantras? I would guess that by advocating freedom from the restrictions of the binding power of speech, MMY is referring to the fact that a good deal of spiritual knowledge can only be roughly approximated in words. It's another way of saying The map is not the territory. If you get too attached or bound to words, you can create serious misunderstanding. Just as one example, take the Catholic Mass: you can describe it quite accurately as a ritual in which Catholics believe they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. But if you attach yourself to those words alone, you would have good reason to assume that Catholicism is a cannibalistic religion --a very restricted view. And even when you go deeply into the theology of the Mass, such that the idea of cannibalism is shown to be absurd, the very innermost core of it is said to be a mystery: transsubstantiation, or how the bread actually *becomes* Christ's flesh and the wine his blood--the mechanism not being reducible to words. To truly know what the Mass is to a devout Catholic you must free yourself from the restrictions of the binding power of speech. With regard to the relationship between the bija mantras and Hindu deities, to say they're the names of gods is pretty much the comic-book version, and a very primitive comic book at that, akin to thinking of the Catholic Mass as a cannibalistic ritual. There *is* a relationship, but it's vastly more abstract than names of gods would suggest. Just to hint at the very tippy-top of the iceberg, bear in mind that in MMY's teaching, (1) gods is a term that refers ultimately to laws of nature, elemental forces of the manifest universe; and (2) these laws of nature are said to be inherent in one's own consciousness. Another (related) idea is that of rishi-devata- chhandas, the Knower, the process of knowing, and that which is known. The gods, or devas, are in that context *processes of knowing*, the means by which that which is known comes into being--which could also be described as laws of nature. (This is the source of the notion that You create your own reality--but as usually understood, that's also a comic-book version.) One might say that the bija mantras are abstract sounds that embody the devas (as opposed to their *names*--Shiva, Lakshmi, and so on), in the nama- and-rupa, name-and-form, formulation. Name as a translation of nama is misleading in this context. If the bija mantras are devas in this sense, and devas are processes of knowing, what is it we are doing with them in meditation? The mantra is the object of attention, or chhandas, that which is known, as we use it in meditation. But the mantra is also deva, or process of knowing--in other words, attention itself. So in putting the attention on the mantra, we are, in effect, mantra-ing the mantra. No wonder it tends to become more and more subtle and then disappear! snip 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the Grace of the Lord in every walk of life. This experience of Peace and Anandam is Sadhana. And Sadhana naturally increases his devotion to God and makes him more and more attached to Him. Thus he develops intensity of Raga for the ISHTAM. Gradually, this final Raga goes on increasing and this increase of Raga and Love for the ISHTAM enables the Grihastha to feel the presence of his 'ISHTAM' always with him, in all his ways of life, in all his thought, speech and action.' If you think about it, the above is another way of describing the development of enlightenment through TM. Just as the seven states of consciousness TMers are taught here is the comic-book version of enlightenment for Westerners, the above is the comic-book version of enlightement for devout Hindus. I don't mean to use comic book as a term of derision here. It's just meant to suggest a necessary simplification and concretization of something that is virtually infinitely more abstract. But if you get hung up on the binding power of speech, you may be unable to loosen your understanding so as to begin to encompass the abstractions that underlie the speech. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use
[FairfieldLife] Re: Layla and Six Degrees
There is a fine video of Clapton (on acoustic) and Knopfler (on electric) at YouTube. Deluxe duo. http://youtube.com/watch?v=wrQ0-ImNn7s ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure if life is stranger (and more connected) than fiction. After my riff on Layla, I looked it up. Talk about interconnections and six degrees. Oh. Layla: was Patty Boyd: and based om Persian spiritual poet Nezami's poem: Patty introduced George to MMY: Beatles put MMY in papers: FF Layla is the title track on the Derek and the Dominos album Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs, released in December 1970. It is considered one of rock music's definitive love songs[2], featuring an unmistakable guitar figure, played by Eric Clapton and Duane Allman, as lead-in. Its famously contrasting movements were composed separately by Clapton and Jim Gordon, similar to the combination of fragments John Lennon and Paul McCartney used to create A Day in the Life. Clapton was inspired to write the piece by his burning unrequited love for Patti Boyd, the wife of his friend George Harrison. Contents Background In 1966, George Harrison married Patti Boyd, a model he met during the filming of A Hard Day's Night. During the late 1960s, Clapton and Harrison, as two of the top English guitarists of the day, became firm friends. Clapton contributed guitar work on Harrison's song While My Guitar Gently Weeps on The Beatles' White Album, and Harrison played guitar pseudonymously on Cream's Badge from Goodbye. However, trouble was brewing for Clapton. His supergroup Cream had angrily broken apart, his growing drug use would lead to a life-threatening heroin addiction, and, when Boyd came to Clapton for aid during marital troubles, Clapton fell desperately in love with her. The title, Layla, was inspired by a love story, The Story of Layla / Layla and Majnun (#1604;#1610;#1604;#1609; #1608;#1605;#1580;#1606;#1608;#1606;), by the Persian classical poet Nezami. When he wrote Layla, Clapton had recently been given a copy of the story by a friend, Ian Dallas, who was in the process of converting to Islam. Nezami's tale, about a moon-princess who was married off by her father to someone other than the man who was desperately in love with her, resulting in his madness (in Persian, Majnun, #1605;#1580;#1606;#1608;#1606;, means madman), struck a deep chord with Clapton. Layla was the result: a powerful and moving statement of unrequited love for Patti Boyd-Harrison, with an immediately recognizable guitar riff, always remaining a vivid memory for anyone who has heard it. The influence of Clapton's affection for Boyd is obvious; compare the striking album cover by Frandsen-de Schonberg to the picture of Boyd in the bottom left. In 1977, Boyd divorced Harrison and married Clapton in 1979. Harrison was not bitter about the divorce and attended the wedding with Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney. During their marriage, Clapton wrote another love ballad for her, Wonderful Tonight. Their marriage later developed difficulties over Clapton's alcoholism and his extramarital affair with Yvonne Khan Kelly, and in 1985 he left Boyd altogether for Italian model Lori del Santo, with whom he had a child. Clapton and Boyd divorced in 1989 after several years of separation. Boyd currently lives with the property developer Rod Weston. George Harrison with Patti Boyd Enlarge George Harrison with Patti Boyd Bobby Whitlock, who was a member of Derek and the Dominos and good friends with both Harrison and Clapton, explains the situation between Clapton and Pattie around the time he wrote Layla: I was there when they were supposedly sneaking around. You don't sneak very well when you're a world figure. He was all hot on Patti and I was dating her sister. They had this thing going on that supposedly was behind George's back. Well, George didn't really care. He said, 'You can have her.' That kind of defuses it when Eric says, 'I'm taking your wife' and he says, 'Take her.' They got married and evidently, she wasn't what he wanted after all. The hunt was better than the kill. That happens, but apparently Patti is real happy now with some guy who's not a guitar player. Good for her and good for Eric for moving on with his life. George got on with his life, that's for sure. [edit] Recording After the breakup of Cream, Clapton tried his hand with several artists, including Blind Faith and a husband and wife duo, Delaney and Bonnie. However, in the spring of 1970, he was told that Delaney and Bonnie's backup band (bassist Carl Radle, drummer Jim Gordon, and keyboardist Bobby Whitlock) was leaving the group. Seizing the opportunity, Clapton formed a new group. Their original title, Eric and The Dynamos, was apparently mispronounced as Derek and the Dominos, a name which stuck. In mid-to-late 1970 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush's- Crown of Thorns...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: All that can safely said is that the bija mantras pre-date our age. I believe there is some evidence that the bija mantras predate traditional Hinduism, actually. People stuck for something to say tend to go 'mm', which is just about how the pranava bij mantra is correctly spelt i.e. Long uu long nasal M. That appears to be natural, and is likely to predate experiments with mantra meditation. But is not likely to have been the source of the bija mantras... Ahh, are you sure? ;-) Err, do the words not likely usually indicate certainty? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO, who aren't nearly as cynical. Is there anything online about this? I would like to read some more early movement history. http://hometown.aol.com/drcoplin/dissertation.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I don't think there was ever a law against using it for other things, unless it was changed before I started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name it. I believe I recall being asked to put it on checks when I used them to pay for things in stores. Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored. The latter, I think. I recall a huge outcry against using teh SSN as the student ID at the U of AZ back in the early 70's. There was a legal component where it was argued that it was illegal to do so in the first place. Possibly it was a state law? The AARP article I cited discusses policy options and legislation to restrict the use of SS#s in some detail, but it says nothing about there ever having been a federal law to that effect. In that context, it would have been a very strange omission. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote: -- It's a power trip. And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is healthy. That's just paranoid, Sal. The TMO has always been on a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to verify that one is qualified to go on particular courses and so on, and they could certainly check that just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty and more possibility of error. I haven't gone on a course in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this, but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator when you applied for a course. That was another way of checking to make sure you had actually learned TM. Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing. (The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.) In other words, unless they were to ask for no personal information at all, the intimidation you're imagining would still be a factor. The only thing about SS#s is that they're a very efficient means of identification. And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one, that's it. They don't keep asking you every single time. Sure they do, in many circumstances, as a way of verifying you're who you say you are. An SS# is sort of like a password. Sort of like? I must have missed the secret handshake. These idiots just want you to know they've got something on you--again and again. Got WHAT on you?? And again, see the AARP link, which explains why SS#s are routinely used for identification. I didn't see any link. There's been a lot of posting delays these days. I made the AARP post before I made the one saying to see the AARP link, but it just appeared this morning. For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even if it meant I couldn't go. I don't trust them to keep those records secure from people who might use them for identity theft. So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes- - Of course. But that's not why the TMO is asking for them, obviously. OK, why are they asking for them then? AS A MEANS OF IDENTIFICATION. Sheesh! Same reason so many other institutions have used them. And a photo ID would do just as well, same reason so many other organizations have used *them.* Sheesh. (Actually, your word institution to describe the TMO, is a much better one, for obvious reasons. You hit the mark.) who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that info? Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding citizen, first of all. Some lower-level administrative person with financial needs and no scruples might have access to a list of SS#s and get ideas. Lists of SS#s are worth big bucks in the identity theft market. You can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to individuals who commit the actual identity theft. Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could get to non-TMO people. Someone could walk in a door left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash; a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc. This is why you don't want to have to give out your SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're *worth lots of money*, and even an organization with the most spotless motives can be careless about how they're handled. Knowing the level of disorganization and general incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them to keep the numbers secure. That's my point exactly. Whether it's directly by someone with some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless, you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive information. Once again: So they're trying to intimidate people by suggesting that people with nefarious intent will get hold of your SS# and commit identity theft because the TMO is riddled with careless idiots? No, that was your point--I said they did it for intimidation. But I certainly agree with anyone who says the TMO is filled with a bunch of careless idiots--works for me. :) Sal, that was *not* your original point. If it were, I'd have agreed with you instantly. You claimed they are asking for it to *intimidate* people. And you still haven't come up with what you think the actual *threat* is that they're supposedly intimidating people *with*. Fill in the blank: We're asking
[FairfieldLife] The Human Incarnation Trio
Sri Satya Sai Baba is the re-incarnation of Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, who was a Purnaavatara. This means that there is no need to tell that Sri Satya Sai Baba is a purnaavatara. He has started with strengthening the foundation to protect the faith of God, which is the basic stage. For this purpose, the majority of the society is in the underground level requiring the level of foundation only. If the foundation is not there, today nobody will hear the knowledge delivered through this Datta Swami. For such foundation, which is the faith in the existence of God, the demonstration of a variety of miracles is needed involving the super power, especially in the present atmosphere of scientific achievements. Sri Ganapathi Sachidananda Swami erected walls on this foundation, which involve the representative worship for the higher level. Once the existence of God is accepted, people like to worship God. In this stage, the concept of human incarnation cannot be introduced because the level of jealousy and egoism is not at all subsided in this level. People accept God but cannot accept the human incarnation. Therefore, the human forms represented by statues have to be worshipped so that training is given to develop the psychology to worship the human form of the God. In course of time, during this training the jealousy and egoism are expected to come down. Swamiji has introduced the word Datta in this level. He told that every form represented by the statue is Datta only. Rama, Krishna etc., are God given (Datta) to human beings. Siva, Vishnu etc., are God given (Datta) to souls in energetic bodies existing in the upper world. These energetic forms are also in human structure only. Since, these forms are not human forms on the earth; the jealousy is satisfied in the beginning. But the human form is already introduced. Slowly the human forms on this earth are introduced, when the jealousy comes down to the lowest level. But still since these human forms on the earth do not exist at present, the jealousy gets pacified on this point. I have laid the foundation through Sri Satya Sai and erected the walls through Swamiji. Now the roof on the walls is left over which is being done through this fellow, Datta Swami. At this level the real meaning of the word Datta is revealed, which is that Datta is God given to the human beings on this earth through the present human form only. Please do not misunderstand that the roof is at the highest level. The roof cannot exist without walls and walls cannot exist without the foundation. Thus, the roof completely depends on the walls and foundation only. Thus, the strength of this Datta Swami is only these two human forms of God. Therefore, egoism cannot enter the mind of Datta Swami due to this logical analysis. Without these two there is no need or existence of this roof. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] World's greatest juggler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972Mt3TlSfcNR He and his sister are now considered the greatest jugglers to ever live. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: there are people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO, who aren't nearly as cynical. Is there anything online about this? I would like to read some more early movement history. http://hometown.aol.com/drcoplin/dissertation.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/22/06 12:34 PM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote: I probably have the original version that was posted here. I'll look. My recollection is that the implication of that version is the same. But I'll check to see if I have it. Or it's in the archive of this group. It¹s in the files section. That's the one I posted from. That's the earliest then ? I think he means that's the original version that was posted here. Whether that's the early draft version others have mentioned is another question. I'm pretty sure I read it here, so unless something zipped through the a.m.t. group, I'm just misremembering. AD/HD transitioning to AD (Alzheimer's Disease) I guess... Hey sparaig, it's just misremembering. Don't put all those labels on yourself, it'll hurt :) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. Of course not. They would have to eat way too much crow to let you in. -Doug in FF The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. This is essentially the Weapons of Mass Destruction argumentit is convenient, but doesn't match the facts on the ground. They don't perceive that most people would rather have them let me in and drop this blacklisting bullshit. Despite that, my application actually did get into the region where acceptance was a possibility. There just wasn't enough momentum behind it to carry it through this time. From my point of view, this situation represents progress, and I believe that if you want more of something in life, it's good to show appreciation. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? Absolutely. The first title of MMY's publication was the Bacon-lite of the Himalayas. This is a little known fact. Bacon ? Thank you, Nablus, for demonstrating the inverse correlation between having a sense of humour and belonging to a cult. Happy to be at service :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: World's greatest juggler
I'm a big fan. Here is their site: http://www.galchenko.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972Mt3TlSfcNR He and his sister are now considered the greatest jugglers to ever live. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I even had some unexpectedly positive interactions with Dr Hagelin, and was sincerely impressed by his generally classy responses to my occasionally two- fisted assertions and queries. The pendulum has swung so far to weirdness, resulting in about the 12th round of alienation which started with the sidhis, that maybe it's starting to swing back. Probably too late for any meaningful resurgence. But just the same, maybe we can all still be friends again. I mean had TMO gotten to the point whereby even reading Autobiography of a Yogi 15 yrs. ago would put you OTP. That's kind of the impression I had. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) No TMO/MMY enlightenment afer MMY passes then? Tougher for both parties to get to the mic then. JohnY The thing about being enlightened is: as Maharishi has said: that: one has access to all knowledge. Therefore, it would follow from this, then: If one is enlightened, then one has direct access to the transcendent. When one has direct access to the transcendent, then it would follow, that one has access to 'other levels of reality' , which would support experiences and knowledge, that to one who was not enlightened; Would have little or no meaning. My point here being; that when you are in touch more with your own infinite soul; You have access to these different levels; And if it became necessary to communicate with Maharishi; Whether he is still on this physical earth plane or not. Doesn't really [matter], no pun intended... I generally find communication with the dead to be somwhat less reliable than communication with the living, although in the case of some relatives, I'm not sure... :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda on 8/22/06 8:21 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some discussion related to yogananda's alleged sexual activities http://p208.ezboard.com/fcultbusterssrfdivisionfrm7.showMessage?topicID=84.t opic or http://tinyurl.com/fd6zv Unlike MMY's confirmed ones? Very similar, but I havent had the opportunity to confirm any of Yoganandas. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. LOL. As you know, the court case was in the mid-70's... That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. What people or organization find it useful to spread false qutations from Maharishi on the net ? And don't they have the resources to at least get the yearing correct ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, but
If people are actually having good experiences, consistently, and those not on the course finally get to see and hear about it - and believe it is not hype but genuine good meditation progress, then it will transform the TMO. People will forget all the bad feelings and return. People want evolution, tangilble good experiences, and assume these bring enlightenment closer to them. Why even the hyped language does not sound so syrup- laden when your own experiences match it. LBS your response to all this sounds positively Cosmic itself! Wow. Impressive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, It's been awhile since I've had time or inclination to check in, but I thought it might be useful to relate my experiences applying for the current superradiance course in progress here. I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. I am satisfied that my case was given as fair and favorable a review as possible under the circumstances, and with the exception of one or two moderately bumpy exchanges, I can assure you that my interactions with the course office were cordial and respectful on both sides. The point I am making here is: Yes, things are a bit different. I had not intended to apply for this course, inasmuch as I didn't see much chance that I would be accepted. However, the daily barrage of encouragement from my many friends who were absolutely convinced that I WOULD be accepted took its toll; I figured that in the worst case scenario, I would be able to show them that I was right and they were wrong. And we all know how sweet it is to be right. During the process, I would have to admit, I was won over. Not so much by the process itself, but by the glowing reports I have been hearing from countless friends who have been participating. I offer a few observations and conclusions: Something special is definitely going on here. Not just the obviousWhat? A FREE COURSE from the movement?!?but also in the experiences people are having and in the interactions with Maharishi. Considering how the prospects for the Movemen's future were looking a year ago, it strikes me as nothing short of miraculous. Furthermore, this could be a one-of-a-kind. There will be crises in the future, to be sure, but whether this opportunity will be available is not a given. I don't know anyone who really expected Maharishi to be interacting so freely with course participants EVER again. Although I have not been participating in the group programs, I definitely feel the surge of wakefulness that has arrived with this course, and am feeling its benefits. I found the process of applying to be useful in terms of letting go of old garbagehard feelings, etc. I have no regrets about that. For the record, I do not feel that I compromised any of my own ethical principles in this process, nor did I grovel. Nor do I believe that by groveling I could have changed the ultimate result of my application. I even had some unexpectedly positive interactions with Dr Hagelin, and was sincerely impressed by his generally classy responses to my occasionally two- fisted assertions and queries. I am aware that many of you who are not participating in this course may be simply uninterested, and I am OK with that. However, if you are in the category (as I was for quite some time) of individuals whose reasons for not applying basically boil down to hard feelings, then I would encourage you to lighten up a bit and take a chance. I did, and have no regrets. Ciao, L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsnight video from last year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl? tab=avq=maharishirecipe=allscope=alledition= NEWSNIGHT The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has described Britain as a scorpion nation unworthy of learning his advanced meditation techniques. Stephen Smith asks if this could mean the end of yogic flying on British shores. First broadcast 15 Aug 05 Paul, Thanks for posting the link We're sorry. The content you requested is available for UK users only. Do you have the video itself? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. What people or organization find it useful to spread false qutations from Maharishi on the net ? Trancenet, for one. I'm sure it was in TM-Ex's repertoire as well. Wasn't false quotations so much as false interpretations of accurate quotations, i.e., mantras of personal gods from Beacon Light taken to mean names of personal gods. Fundie Christian groups were big on this one as well. And don't they have the resources to at least get the yearing correct ? What's yearing mean? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, but
Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: snip I even had some unexpectedly positive interactions with Dr Hagelin, and was sincerely impressed by his generally classy responses to my occasionally two- fisted assertions and queries. The pendulum has swung so far to weirdness, resulting in about the 12th round of alienation which started with the sidhis, that maybe it's starting to swing back. Probably too late for any meaningful resurgence. But just the same, maybe we can all still be friends again. I mean had TMO gotten to the point whereby even reading Autobiography of a Yogi 15 yrs. ago would put you OTP. That's kind of the impression I had. I think you've captured the sense of it. Something is changing, and apparently for the better. Too early to say for sure how far or exactly what direction, but it's definitely shifting. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] One might say that the bija mantras are abstract sounds that embody the devas (as opposed to their *names*--Shiva, Lakshmi, and so on), in the nama- and-rupa, name-and-form, formulation. Name as a translation of nama is misleading in this context. If the bija mantras are devas in this sense, and devas are processes of knowing, what is it we are doing with them in meditation? The mantra is the object of attention, or chhandas, that which is known, as we use it in meditation. But the mantra is also deva, or process of knowing--in other words, attention itself. So in putting the attention on the mantra, we are, in effect, mantra-ing the mantra. No wonder it tends to become more and more subtle and then disappear! Samadhi is the samhita (collected unity) of rishi, devata and chhandas. What is name and what is form in that situation? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: One handed rubric cube solved in 20 secs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how a nerd would become supernaturally dexterous with one hand... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Far out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJz02Nh99Cs video games? And the desterity isn't that impressive, IIMHO. It's the casual way he solves the damn thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I don't think there was ever a law against using it for other things, unless it was changed before I started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name it. I believe I recall being asked to put it on checks when I used them to pay for things in stores. Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored. The latter, I think. I recall a huge outcry against using teh SSN as the student ID at the U of AZ back in the early 70's. There was a legal component where it was argued that it was illegal to do so in the first place. Possibly it was a state law? The AARP article I cited discusses policy options and legislation to restrict the use of SS#s in some detail, but it says nothing about there ever having been a federal law to that effect. In that context, it would have been a very strange omission. A quick google yields the official history. Apparently I misunderstood the issues: http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/ssnchron.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote: -- It's a power trip. And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is healthy. That's just paranoid, Sal. The TMO has always been on a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to verify that one is qualified to go on particular courses and so on, and they could certainly check that just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty and more possibility of error. I haven't gone on a course in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this, but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator when you applied for a course. That was another way of checking to make sure you had actually learned TM. Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. I'd be amazed if they didn't. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. But it wouldn't have matched what was on your initiation record. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens-- I'll bet nothing. Maybe not, but that wouldn't exactly prove anything, would it? In other words, unless they were to ask for no personal information at all, the intimidation you're imagining would still be a factor. The only thing about SS#s is that they're a very efficient means of identification. And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one, that's it. They don't keep asking you every single time. Sure they do, in many circumstances, as a way of verifying you're who you say you are. An SS# is sort of like a password. Sort of like? I must have missed the secret handshake. Cute, but a non sequitur. Guess you had no comeback for that one. snip OK, why are they asking for them then? AS A MEANS OF IDENTIFICATION. Sheesh! Same reason so many other institutions have used them. And a photo ID would do just as well, same reason so many other organizations have used *them.* THINK, Sal. Photo IDs can easily be faked, first of all. Second, what good is a photo ID for checking the central database? All a photo ID proves is that the person in front of you has a piece of paper with their photo on it. Driver's licenses used to have both, a photo and SS#. Were they trying to intimidate people? Or were the two useful for different purposes? And driver's licenses still use numbers to identify people. It's just a different set of numbers created for the same purpose as the SS#, except that it's limited to identifying drivers. snip Knowing the level of disorganization and general incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them to keep the numbers secure. That's my point exactly. Whether it's directly by someone with some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless, you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive information. Once again: So they're trying to intimidate people by suggesting that people with nefarious intent will get hold of your SS# and commit identity theft because the TMO is riddled with careless idiots? No, that was your point--I said they did it for intimidation. Right, then you said not trusting them to keep the numbers secure was your point: In other words, they were trying to intimidate people by suggesting that their SS#s weren't secure. That's the implication of what you've said, Sal. You boxed yourself into that corner. If you want to get out of it, suggest another basis for your intimidation idea, because your attempt to hijack my concern with security and graft it onto your claim of intimidation just doesn't pass the giggle test. As I asked: Fill in the blank: We're asking for your SS# so that if you don't toe the line, we can __. Face it, Sal. You never had any threat in mind. But without a threat, the notion of intimidation is utter nonsense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip It's kinda the same answer I give when people ask me whether the mantras used in TM are the names of gods: I wouldn't want to practise a meditation that DIDN'T use mantras that were the names of gods Better quit practicing TM, then, and find one that does. I've got an SRM book from about 1966 -- pre Beatles -- that has MMY say exactly that. Quote, please. All the mantras I teach in TM are the names of Hindu gods and I don't care what Alan Dershowitz or the Superior Court of New Jersey says about it! -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 7, 1966. LOL. As you know, the court case was in the mid-70's... That's what folks claim he said in his Beacon Light address too, but he didn't. What people or organization find it useful to spread false qutations from Maharishi on the net ? Those with warped senses of humor? And don't they have the resources to at least get the yearing correct ? See above abut [time] warps. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: World's greatest juggler
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a big fan. Here is their site: http://www.galchenko.com/ It is good to hear that they're gettig their extraordinary ability status confirmed. http://www.galchenko.com/videos/fatboy_slim.html As though there were any doubts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972Mt3TlSfcNR He and his sister are now considered the greatest jugglers to ever live. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsnight video from last year
Oh, isn't that unfair. Perhaps have another go? Is this link any better? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4153396.stm or maybe google by newsnight AND scorpion AND maharishi Basically, the programme took a fairly jokey look at MMYs statement about the Scorpion Nation idea, it just ran for a few minutes, but it had some nice footage of MMY from back in 1967. I didn't get a copy of the transmission of Newsnight but I can rake out an audio of it, if it would help. Does the problem extend to audio files? Are you able to hear the stuff from 1969? at:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1.s html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl? tab=avq=maharishirecipe=allscope=alledition= NEWSNIGHT The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has described Britain as a scorpion nation unworthy of learning his advanced meditation techniques. Stephen Smith asks if this could mean the end of yogic flying on British shores. First broadcast 15 Aug 05 Paul, Thanks for posting the link We're sorry. The content you requested is available for UK users only. Do you have the video itself? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:29 AM, authfriend wrote: It's probably not a very *good* database, but they've had a database ever since I learned TM in '75, certainly. How do you think National was able to send out all those mailings? I never got any mailings. And around 1975 sounds about right for their database. It's simply intimidation, like I said. And you *still* haven't come up with the threat that you imagine they're intimidating you *with*! Sigh. As I already said, a power trip. And no, I don't know WHY they would want to do that. But that and all the other idiocy that went on is the main reason most of us are no longer involved. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, but�
Good to hear from you L.B. I thought you had enough good sense to stay away from FFL, I'm glad you don't though! ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bob Dylan says modern music is worthless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Does this have anything to do with the Bacon book that Spairaig mentioned? Absolutely. The first title of MMY's publication was the Bacon-lite of the Himalayas. This is a little known fact. Extolling the virtues of eating pork over beef, as any good Hindu would... Nice one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Newsnight video from last year
The comments by the viewers are very revealing. Some sarcasm but by in large people are better informed and more sophisticated than the BBC gives them credit for. --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, isn't that unfair. Perhaps have another go? Is this link any better? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4153396.stm or maybe google by newsnight AND scorpion AND maharishi Basically, the programme took a fairly jokey look at MMYs statement about the Scorpion Nation idea, it just ran for a few minutes, but it had some nice footage of MMY from back in 1967. I didn't get a copy of the transmission of Newsnight but I can rake out an audio of it, if it would help. Does the problem extend to audio files? Are you able to hear the stuff from 1969? at:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1.s html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl? tab=avq=maharishirecipe=allscope=alledition= NEWSNIGHT The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has described Britain as a scorpion nation unworthy of learning his advanced meditation techniques. Stephen Smith asks if this could mean the end of yogic flying on British shores. First broadcast 15 Aug 05 Paul, Thanks for posting the link We're sorry. The content you requested is available for UK users only. Do you have the video itself? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/22/06 8:21 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some discussion related to yogananda's alleged sexual activities http://p208.ezboard.com/fcultbusterssrfdivisionfrm7.showMessage?topicID=84.t opic or http://tinyurl.com/fd6zv Unlike MMY's confirmed ones? Very similar, but I haven¹t had the opportunity to confirm any of Yogananda¹s. I did not see Rick and Yogananda having sex. This much I can confirm. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
