[FairfieldLife] First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
Forwarded by a friend: Original Message Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth $1.08 Billion US by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article Sunday His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone®, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® to combat the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use of cell phones. In addition to the ring toneswhich will also be available for purchase separatelythe phone will utilize GPS positioning and compass technology to calculate true east on the basis of the user's latitude and longitude. The ring tones will increase and diminish in intensity even after the call is answered, or when the phone is first activated to make a call until the user is facing true east. Dr. John Hagelin, Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace explains, We have been blessed to have the perfect knowledge of Ved in the Human Physiology through the great discovery of His Majesty Raja Nader Ram, inspired by his Holiness Maharishi Yogi, the world's foremost scientist of Consciousness. Now that knowledge is being put to practical use the prevent possible damage to the delicate physiology of the brain, before it happensHeyam dukham anagatam, avert the danger before it arises. But it doesn't stop there. We have been so blessed with the perfect knowledge of proper orientation through Maharishi Sthapatya Ved that now, if you do have to use a cell phone, you can be sure to be facing east to achieve maximum brainwave coherence while speaking so that every thought, utterance and decision will be in total accord with Natural Law. Maharishi has stressed the importance of proper orientation for a long time, even telling people not to leave their home to go to a place that is not properly oriented because their thinking won't be clear. But now, with the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone it is possible to have proper orientation and clear thinking even while talking on a cell phone. The MMVVT® unit will cost $1008 US (plus monthly charges) with a three year plan that includes a selection of wallpapers with beautiful photos of Maharishi, Guru Dev, and the Devas, and seasonally and personally adjusted Vedic Vibration Ring Tones so participants can achieve the speediest evolution, rising rapidly to Unity Consciousness. For those who do not have the MMVVT unit, Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® that can be used with any phone will be available for $108 each. Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. This will bring everyone to the very fastest pace of evolution and will generate 1.08 billion US in revenue. One billion of that will be used by the Global Country of World Peace to support the pandits who are the keepers of the great wisdom of the Vedic Tradition, and who, through their daily performance of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme create peace, harmony and coherence for the whole world. The other .08 billion will go to Motorola in recognition of their contribution to the development of this technology, and with those funds, they will build a manufacturing plant for the Maharishi Vedic Vibration Telephones in the Brahmastan of America, the World Capital of the Global Country of World Peace in Kansas. All of our meditating family should sign up immediately to pre-purchase this remarkable technology. You can inquire through your Raja and he can tell you how this can easily be done. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. And this coming from the people who have to bribe poor young kids from India into becoming pundits and export them to Iowa like products in an attempt to get 2000 people together in one place to save the world. They can't achieve the numbers any other way even when they offer to pay people to go there. I'd have to say that the quote above, in conjunction with a product that almost no one can afford and that even fewer would even WANT, indicates a level of being out of touch with reality that has crossed the border from eccentricity to insanity. Maybe saying stuff like this is a kind of backasswards enforced bhakti. The only way one CAN be comfortable with stuff like this is turn off one's mind and critical faculties altogether and believe it fully, without reservation. If you don't surrender to it, you pretty much have to be embarrassed by it. And since we all know that many people would rather die than be embar- rassed, it works to keep them in line. I'd rather feel embarrassed. For them, and for myself for ever having been part of such an organization...
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded by a friend: Original Message Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth $1.08 Billion US by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article Sunday His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone®, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® to combat the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use of cell phones. Aprillia, kuravellia, ja seitteman suolasta sillia! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: Forwarded by a friend: Original Message Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth $1.08 Billion US by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article Sunday His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone®, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® to combat the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use of cell phones. Aprillia, kuravellia, ja seitteman suolasta sillia! :D April [foolery], muddy gruel, and seven salty herrings! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. And this coming from the people who have to bribe poor young kids from India into becoming pundits and export them to Iowa like products in an attempt to get 2000 people together in one place to save the world. They can't achieve the numbers any other way even when they offer to pay people to go there. I'd have to say that the quote above, in conjunction with a product that almost no one can afford and that even fewer would even WANT, indicates a level of being out of touch with reality that has crossed the border from eccentricity to insanity. Maybe saying stuff like this is a kind of backasswards enforced bhakti. The only way one CAN be comfortable with stuff like this is turn off one's mind and critical faculties altogether and believe it fully, without reservation. If you don't surrender to it, you pretty much have to be embarrassed by it. And since we all know that many people would rather die than be embar- rassed, it works to keep them in line. I'd rather feel embarrassed. For them, and for myself for ever having been part of such an organization... And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. The essence of a good one is to make it believable. And after all of the other actions and announcements/pronouncements of the TMO, this one is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: Forwarded by a friend: Original Message Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth $1.08 Billion US by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article Sunday His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone®, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® to combat the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use of cell phones. Aprillia, kuravellia, ja seitteman suolasta sillia! :D April [foolery], muddy gruel, and seven salty herrings! :D
RE: [FairfieldLife] First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
Oh God! This is what will happen when Maharishi dies. It will all go to crap. Don't do anything that's not due east. Do you have to walk sideways to always catch the sun? What about when the greenhouse effect makes every longitude as hot as the south is today? Isn't it all relative? Unfortunately Feng Shui tells us that we all have our own major element and directions. It's not the same for everybody at all, and certain years have certain major directions as well. So the true due east is not due east by year, person's element, or anything really. For instance, I get rich through the south, and as a Sri Vidya wanna be I have all paramnayas as my very own. If one wants to worship Shiva Daksh or Daksh Kali then they face due south. Also one gos by ones nakshatra in which case one faces one 15 degree quadrant of their moon's nakshatra, to get shade under the corresponding tree for total health. -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hermandan0 Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this? Forwarded by a friend: Original Message Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth $1.08 Billion US by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article Sunday His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration TelephoneR, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring TonesR to combat the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use of cell phones. In addition to the ring tones-which will also be available for purchase separately-the phone will utilize GPS positioning and compass technology to calculate true east on the basis of the user's latitude and longitude. The ring tones will increase and diminish in intensity even after the call is answered, or when the phone is first activated to make a call until the user is facing true east. Dr. John Hagelin, Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace explains, We have been blessed to have the perfect knowledge of Ved in the Human Physiology through the great discovery of His Majesty Raja Nader Ram, inspired by his Holiness Maharishi Yogi, the world's foremost scientist of Consciousness. Now that knowledge is being put to practical use the prevent possible damage to the delicate physiology of the brain, before it happens-Heyam dukham anagatam, avert the danger before it arises. But it doesn't stop there. We have been so blessed with the perfect knowledge of proper orientation through Maharishi Sthapatya Ved that now, if you do have to use a cell phone, you can be sure to be facing east to achieve maximum brainwave coherence while speaking so that every thought, utterance and decision will be in total accord with Natural Law. Maharishi has stressed the importance of proper orientation for a long time, even telling people not to leave their home to go to a place that is not properly oriented because their thinking won't be clear. But now, with the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone it is possible to have proper orientation and clear thinking even while talking on a cell phone. The MMVVTR unit will cost $1008 US (plus monthly charges) with a three year plan that includes a selection of wallpapers with beautiful photos of Maharishi, Guru Dev, and the Devas, and seasonally and personally adjusted Vedic Vibration Ring Tones so participants can achieve the speediest evolution, rising rapidly to Unity Consciousness. For those who do not have the MMVVT unit, Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring TonesR that can be used with any phone will be available for $108 each. Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. This will bring everyone to the very fastest pace of evolution and will generate 1.08 billion US in revenue. One billion of that will be used by the Global Country of World Peace to support the pandits who are the keepers of the great wisdom of the Vedic Tradition, and who, through their daily performance of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme create peace, harmony and coherence for the whole world. The other .08 billion will go to Motorola in recognition of their contribution to the development of this technology, and with those funds, they will build a manufacturing plant for the Maharishi Vedic Vibration Telephones in the Brahmastan of America, the World Capital of the Global Country of World Peace in Kansas. All of our meditating family should sign up immediately to
[FairfieldLife] The Shiva linga and Vedic Science
Symbolism behind Shiva Linga in Hinduism and its relationship to modern science http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7750003834905326157 This is a great video explaining the vision of ancient rishi's behind the symbolism of Shiv Linga and its relation to the modern discoveries. The source of the video is Yug Pravah Video Magazine ( No 95) of All world gayatri pariwar (http://www.awgp.org/gamma/YugPravah). If you like listening to mantras, you may also like the MP3 audio of Omkar , Gayatri mantra or Maha Mrutunjaya Mantras from AudioMantras Related to science and symbolism from ancient India you may also like to watch the following videos: Vedic Science: ( 8 min English) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8572690367218250933 Scientific verification of Vedic knowledge ( 30 min, English) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7678538942425297587 Amazing Science from Ancient India: http://www.hinduism.co.za/amazing.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shiva linga and Vedic Science
Delightfulwill help one to understand MMY's recent lecture. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Symbolism behind Shiva Linga in Hinduism and its relationship to modern science http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7750003834905326157 This is a great video explaining the vision of ancient rishi's behind the symbolism of Shiv Linga and its relation to the modern discoveries. The source of the video is Yug Pravah Video Magazine ( No 95) of All world gayatri pariwar (http://www.awgp.org/gamma/YugPravah). If you like listening to mantras, you may also like the MP3 audio of Omkar , Gayatri mantra or Maha Mrutunjaya Mantras from AudioMantras Related to science and symbolism from ancient India you may also like to watch the following videos: Vedic Science: ( 8 min English) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8572690367218250933 Scientific verification of Vedic knowledge ( 30 min, English) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7678538942425297587 Amazing Science from Ancient India: http://www.hinduism.co.za/amazing.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
In a message dated 4/1/2007 5:50:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. And this coming from the people who have to bribe poor young kids from India into becoming pundits and export them to Iowa like products in an attempt to get 2000 people together in one place to save the world. They can't achieve the numbers any other way even when they offer to pay people to go there. I'd have to say that the quote above, in conjunction with a product that almost no one can afford and that even fewer would even WANT, indicates a level of being out of touch with reality that has crossed the border from eccentricity to insanity. Maybe saying stuff like this is a kind of backasswards enforced bhakti. The only way one CAN be comfortable with stuff like this is turn off one's mind and critical faculties altogether and believe it fully, without reservation. If you don't surrender to it, you pretty much have to be embarrassed by it. And since we all know that many people would rather die than be embar- rassed, it works to keep them in line. I'd rather feel embarrassed. For them, and for myself for ever having been part of such an organization. f And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. The essence of a good one is to make it believable. And after all of the other actions and announcements/announcements/WBRpronouncements of the TM It is scary. God have mercy on the TMO for using young boys who are desperate for an education and some food. With announcements in New York this week of their new found government and all, they have treaded down a path since 1975 that only creates more bureaucracy and less love. MMY has completely lost his mind at this point. Very soon he will have no choice but to get out of his own way and let the karma fall where it should. The billionaires and millionaires will not be able to save his movement let alone save the planet. Lsoma. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. It is an April fools and it is well done as a satyre. That you fell for it is sort of cute. (Haha, 'enforced Bhakti') I think this was the model, its actually old news: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9622362/ THE HAGUE, Netherlands - For Muslims, it's a high-tech call to prayer. A new cellular telephone generates five automated reminders a day at prayer time and points Muslims in the direction of Mecca. It also contains a copy of the Islamic holy book, the Quran, in both Arabic and English. Already available in the Middle East and Asia, Ilkone Arabic for universe recently went on sale in the Netherlands for its European debut. It will be followed by launches in France, Germany, Italy, Denmark, Belgium and Bosnia in coming months, said Peter Suyk, the managing director of Lebara BV, the phone's European distributor. Some Muslims were skeptical. I wouldn't buy one, said 15-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri, sitting outside Rotterdam's largest mosque, the Mevlana. It might be useful for someone at home or traveling, but not at the mosque. Everyone here already knows what time prayers are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, I was thinking that mainstream religious types don't talk about miracles much. They talk about love. They feel uncomfortable with people who claim miracles. So they might be spiritual and believe in God, but not buy that some preacher can heal cancer by shouting at you. I think this is the majority of religious Americans. By the time you figure out how watered down their version of spirituality is, you find it is more similar than different from an Atheist's view of our lot in life. A place where shit happens and no one seems to have a hotline to the big guy or we wouldn't have Guinea worms. (Google ride this at your own peril) I think some people believe in a vague great spirit and, like the deists, don't feel that God has much to do with our lives after creation. So that was what I was thinking, religious people who believe in God but are pretty skeptical about miracle claims outside their scriptures, East or West. Thanks for asking. Any insight is appreciated. More West than East. I think the ratioanlist movement hit the west harder than India (you have never been there I guess). In India if you believe in God, you pretty much believe in miracles. If you don't believe in divine intervention (which is sort of always outside of the scientific paradigma), what's the point? Any great saint will be judged according to if he can perform miracles. Look at Shirdi Sai Baba, the greatest and best known of all the Gurus's. His spiritual career started with a miracle (he transformed water inro oil). No temple, where not miracles are attributed to. So if you talk about 'mainstream religious types', you must be talking about the ones you know - that is in the west, maybe in TV - certainly not in rural India. Each time I come to India I hear stories of mirales. Me: I only spent a short time in India with MMY. I agree with part of what you wrote. I think you mean the empirical movement hit the West harder and I agree that it hit there harder, first. India is catching up fast now. Rural India is as full of miracle stories as rural Mexico. And because India has such a large superstitious rural population it is easy to forget the middle class types who view miracle stories with the same suspicion many Westerners do. I have heard the same skepticism of Sai Baba's tricks from Indians. They have the perspective that miracles may be possible but they are skeptical of people cashing in on these claims. Judging all Indian culture by what uneducated Indians believe doesn't do the whole range of Indian perspectives justice. I also detect a wry humor about all these claims from Middle Class Indians. Most of them have seen more spiritual scams in their youth then we will in our lifetime. I just met a man who met Maharsishi in 1954-58, before he came to the west, and he attributed what he called a miracle to Maharishi (In this case its up to interpretation to call it a miracle, Maharshi caught a plane in Madras even though he was 2 hours late - and so was the plane. One might call this also a coincidence or simply sychronocity). Anyway, for him this was a proof that he is a great divine master. Me: I caught a late plane once. If you fly a lot this will happen. (He also narrated that Maharishi initiated 200 people on that day, announced himself 3 hours before to arrive with a party of 15 people and that no rooms were there, when he came just some people moved out and the rooms were there - he was a hotel owner at the time. He still feels devoted to Maharishi. It is interesting to meet people from this time. Me: It happens all the time. How come miracle stories don't involve the curing of cancer or AIDS? Maharishi had a meditation hall constructed in this place where I and several friends went out to meditate sometimes, also friends who had no TM-connection felt it was a good place to meditate. There is a tree in front of the hall - Maharishi built the hall near the tree as he felt it was supportive of meditation - another extraphysical feat.) Me: I'm not sure what is being claimed here. When I was in Gujarat, somebody told me of a lake where at Shivaratri Sadhus jump in to never come out again - they simply disappear. Obviously there are million onlookers. I was told that the whole lake was searched through by researchers and they didn't find anything (holes to hide, corpses etc) This is not to say that I can attest any of this, or that there couldn't be any rationalist explanation, but it tells you that miracle-stories and religious life are closely interwoven in India, and certainly you are looking at this topic with a western cultural lense of an already rationalised religion. Me: Nicely put. There are conditions under which you could test such a physical claim. I'll be no one is jumping in to impose the kind of test conditions one would need. It would cause a riot. I agree with your point about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. It is an April fools and it is well done as a satyre. That you fell for it is sort of cute. (Haha, 'enforced Bhakti') No, no, no! He was just playing along, in the April Fool's spirit. He surely recognized it was a gag, as the rest of us did, by the end of the first paragraph. He was only pretending to take it seriously. If I were him, I'd be insulted that you thought he'd fallen for it. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
Well said, which probably makes a lot of us wonder why you bother in the first place. Because I enjoy it until I don't! I used to have a scotty dog as a kid. We would play ball till he got so revved up he would bite me. Then I knew it was time to quit. It was basically a good dog though. I was fascinated by what you said about Guru Dev being known for displaying miracles. Any more info or sources I can find? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 2007, at 11:40 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is your underlying arrogant assumption that you know me better than I know myself that makes you such a bore. It leaks into every discussion. No one has blown holes in anything. We are all offering our own point of view. Your insistence that yours is the superior one is what turns this into an unpleasant discussion. Your repetition of the same Dr. Phil talk that you have given me many times over the years reveals your agenda in every discussion no matter what the topic. Somehow you need to criticize my decision to leave the movement. You have tried so many angles over the years. But none of them have anything to do with me. You have never had a sincere interest to understand why I left, just a need to put me down for it. Well said, which probably makes a lot of us wonder why you bother in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh God! This is what will happen when Maharishi dies. Indeed, it might. I fully admit to being taken in for a few minutes, because it reminded me of my favorite niche market item, a wristwatch that appeared in the Nineties that sold for $100,000. It wasn't even heavily jeweled, but it was on backorder for *three years*. Why? It was clunky, and not terribly attractive, but six times a day -- at prayer time -- it chimed gently, and then its built-in GPS system whirred for a while and then pointed the direction to Mecca. It was all the rage among wealthy Arabs, so much so that they were willing to pay that much money and then wait three years to get one. Brilliant April Fool's joke. Deep bow. :-) It will all go to crap. As if it hasn't already. That's why it's so believable. Don't do anything that's not due east. Do you have to walk sideways to always catch the sun? I found myself imagining two Rajas trying to have a conversation and continually circling one another trying to be the one who is facing East during the conversation. :-) Or, in the recent festivities in Vlodrop, wondering who got to face East? Was it Maharishi, up on his throne, or the...uh...paying customers in the audience? Nicely done, hermandan.
[FairfieldLife] Spiritually hot in FF, Chandi Path Navaratri
(FW:) Dear Friends, This weekend, to celebrate Spring Navaratri, Pandit D.N. Sharma will perform two traditional Vedic Ceremonies in Fairfield. On Saturday March 31st at 7:30 pm Durga Puja will be performed, followed the next morning, Sunday April 1st at 9:30 am, by the four-hour Chandi Homa. During this fire ceremony Pandit Sharma will recite the entire 700 verses of Durga Saptashati (also called the Devi Mahatmyam or Chandi Path.) All events take place one mile south of downtown: Take Rte. 1 south, then left on 227th St., second house on the right. Navaratri, which is celebrated spring and fall, is considered an especially auspicious time to honor Mother Divine and gain Her blessings for world peace, for prosperity and for relief from afflictions of all types, including alleviation of the adverse affects of the planets, liberation from troubles, restoration of friendships and overcoming enemies. There is no fee for attending the Yagya For all events, participants are asked to wear fresh, clean clothes and to bring washed fruit and some flowers. For more information, please visit the website at www.yagya108.org end paste
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said, which probably makes a lot of us wonder why you bother in the first place. Because I enjoy it until I don't! I used to have a scotty dog as a kid. We would play ball till he got so revved up he would bite me. Then I knew it was time to quit. It was basically a good dog though. Arf. Trouble is, you misunderstood. I was explicit that I was not putting you down for quitting TM, but you (and Vaj, of course) missed that entirely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
I understand the distinction you are making. I'll give it some more thought. Our discussions have improved over time and I did not acknowledge that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well said, which probably makes a lot of us wonder why you bother in the first place. Because I enjoy it until I don't! I used to have a scotty dog as a kid. We would play ball till he got so revved up he would bite me. Then I knew it was time to quit. It was basically a good dog though. Arf. Trouble is, you misunderstood. I was explicit that I was not putting you down for quitting TM, but you (and Vaj, of course) missed that entirely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually hot in FF, Chandi Path Navaratri
On Apr 1, 2007, at 10:12 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: This weekend, to celebrate Spring Navaratri, Pandit D.N. Sharma will perform two traditional Vedic Ceremonies in Fairfield. On Saturday March 31st at 7:30 pm Durga Puja will be performed, followed the next morning, Sunday April 1st at 9:30 am, by the four-hour Chandi Homa. (also called the Devi Mahatmyam or Chandi Path.) All events take place one mile south of downtown: Take Rte. 1 south, then left on 227th St., second house on the right. Doug, just out of curiosity, is this really what passes for 'fun' in the spiritual community? During this fire ceremony Pandit Sharma will recite the entire 700 verses of Durga Saptashati I can hardly wait...:) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: Oh God! This is what will happen when Maharishi dies. Indeed, it might. I fully admit to being taken in for a few minutes, Snip Deep bow. :-) Snip Thanks Turq. My friend who forwarded it to me says he usually prefers a belly laugh, or at least a knee-slap, to a deep bow, but but he'll take what he can get. An indeed--he took all he could of my playing insipid (as distinct from the good ones!) Mother Divine songs at him at full volume until he finally came clean about the April Fool's joke. At first he tried to convince me he was operating from a secret draft of the MTC soon-to-be-released catalogue that had other products too, even showing me a beat-up and obviously (now that I think about it) mock up of the document. Sheesh, it read like the J freakin' Pederman catalogue. There were lots of other things there, but he decided to use the phone bit. For example, llundrub wouldn't have to worry about walking sideways to face east with the BirkenStha shoe, with a layer of Maharishi Vedic NanoTubes® built into the soles. The shoes not only conform to the shape of your foot but also automatically align to true east, shifting virtually instantaneously with every movement so no matter which way you are facing you are always on a platform facing east. Maharishi always said that TM makes us more feet on the ground and with the BirkenStha our feet can be on the ground and be properly established in correct orientation. No more walking sideways and getting a crick in the neck from turning your head to talk to the person beside you. That would be really great as my chiropractor bills have been astronomical for the past couple of years. I was ready to put my credit card down right away for that one and was extremely disappointed when he finally broke and confessed it was all a joke. By that point, I knew when I saw the Stha-port-pottie® for use on vastu development construction sites that the whole thing was just a sham. Damn! And the picture looked so cute with the kalash on top of the gold-painted outhouse---oops excuse me, Pees Palace. And finally---my friend insists that trin3ty is wrong, and he did not use a template from some old story about a Muslim phone. It must be a meme circulating in the collective consciousness. The originator of the other story could have even gotten it from him, since time, causality, and direction don't really exist and everyone knows that everything worthwhile originates in the Vedas. (Poor guy, he's actually still a bit in denial and has a hard time admitting it was a joke, insisting that these things *could* be. Sigh.) And oh yeahthanks to card for the Finnish version of the April Fools prank line! Most evocative. Have a great Sunday, everyone. hermandan
RE: [FairfieldLife] Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. And this coming from the people who have to bribe poor young kids from India into becoming pundits and export them to Iowa like products in an attempt to get 2000 people together in one place to save the world. They can't achieve the numbers any other way even when they offer to pay people to go there. I once heard Dr. Feldman say with a straight face (it sounded straight, although it was the local MUM radio station) that some World Peace Bonds he was promoting were a complete safe investment because they were backed by the Raam.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. The essence of a good one is to make it believable. And after all of the other actions and announcements/pronouncements of the TMO, this one is. The movement doesn't do pranks. Someone may have written this as a prank, but if it's official, as it appears to be, it's not a prank. In case you weren't around when this was written, here's a great spoof. The official-looking one, with photo, is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%20Satire/TMO%2 0Satire/: Message From The Ministry of Information of His Majesty Raja Nader Ram, First Sovereign Ruler of the Global Country of World Peace Dearest Governors, Citizen Sidhas, Meditators, Loyal Subjects: As we enter into this, the twenty-eight year of the Age of Enlightenment, we see the dawn of this new age quickly becoming the Full Sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment, an age of peace and enlightenment for all mankind under the guidance of His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, whose Global Administration Through Natural Law will administer our Global Country of World Peace for perfect harmony with all the Laws of Nature in adherence with the Constitution of the Universe, we hereby proclaim and celebrate the Second Anniversary of the establishment of our Global Country of World Peace and decree that this Supreme Knowledge of the Totality of Natural Law, which governs the infinite diversity of the universe without a mistake, shall awaken in every human brain I am the Totality, even for those brains warped almost beyond hope by weak minded thinking. Royal Decree #12 Let our messengers, both human and electronic, travel to the ends of the earth to proclaim that the royal astrologers have determined that His Majesty King Nader Raja Ram is now ready to take a queen!! Qualified applicants will be selected for a royal audience. Qualifications for the future Queen include, but are not limited to: Versed in Vedic Knowledge Experienced in Higher Consciousness Brahman or Kshatriya caste Of chaste personage Pleasant sumissive demeanor Female gender Highly placed family with over $100 million net worth Ample breasts Please send an 8 x 10 glossy photograph, original birth certificate, handwriting sample, and non-refundable application fee of $50,000 to: Queen Search Maharishi Country of World Peace P.O. Box 108 Maharishi Vedic City, IA 52556 Make check payable to First American Exchange Bank P.S. Do not send Raams On behalf of his Majesty King Nader Raja Ram we wish you a fulfilling 2003 The Year of our Global Queen Ministry of Information, Global Country of World Peace
[FairfieldLife] Welcome to Google TiSP
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Re: [FairfieldLife] First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
Most likely an April Fools joke. :) hermandan0 wrote: Forwarded by a friend: Original Message Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth $1.08 Billion US by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article Sunday His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone®, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® to combat the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use of cell phones. In addition to the ring tones—which will also be available for purchase separately—the phone will utilize GPS positioning and compass technology to calculate true east on the basis of the user's latitude and longitude. The ring tones will increase and diminish in intensity even after the call is answered, or when the phone is first activated to make a call until the user is facing true east. Dr. John Hagelin, Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace explains, We have been blessed to have the perfect knowledge of Ved in the Human Physiology through the great discovery of His Majesty Raja Nader Ram, inspired by his Holiness Maharishi Yogi, the world's foremost scientist of Consciousness. Now that knowledge is being put to practical use the prevent possible damage to the delicate physiology of the brain, before it happens—Heyam dukham anagatam, avert the danger before it arises. But it doesn't stop there. We have been so blessed with the perfect knowledge of proper orientation through Maharishi Sthapatya Ved that now, if you do have to use a cell phone, you can be sure to be facing east to achieve maximum brainwave coherence while speaking so that every thought, utterance and decision will be in total accord with Natural Law. Maharishi has stressed the importance of proper orientation for a long time, even telling people not to leave their home to go to a place that is not properly oriented because their thinking won't be clear. But now, with the Maharishi Motorola Vedic Vibration Telephone it is possible to have proper orientation and clear thinking even while talking on a cell phone. The MMVVT® unit will cost $1008 US (plus monthly charges) with a three year plan that includes a selection of wallpapers with beautiful photos of Maharishi, Guru Dev, and the Devas, and seasonally and personally adjusted Vedic Vibration Ring Tones so participants can achieve the speediest evolution, rising rapidly to Unity Consciousness. For those who do not have the MMVVT unit, Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring Tones® that can be used with any phone will be available for $108 each. Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. This will bring everyone to the very fastest pace of evolution and will generate 1.08 billion US in revenue. One billion of that will be used by the Global Country of World Peace to support the pandits who are the keepers of the great wisdom of the Vedic Tradition, and who, through their daily performance of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme create peace, harmony and coherence for the whole world. The other .08 billion will go to Motorola in recognition of their contribution to the development of this technology, and with those funds, they will build a manufacturing plant for the Maharishi Vedic Vibration Telephones in the Brahmastan of America, the World Capital of the Global Country of World Peace in Kansas. All of our meditating family should sign up immediately to pre-purchase this remarkable technology. You can inquire through your Raja and he can tell you how this can easily be done. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome to Google TiSP
Rick Archer wrote: Here's Google's April Fools offering: http://www.google.com/tisp/ Also http://news.com.com/1200-12_3-6172227.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Feldman concluded, With over six million practitioners around the world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase the phones and subscribe to the plan. And this coming from the people who have to bribe poor young kids from India into becoming pundits and export them to Iowa like products in an attempt to get 2000 people together in one place to save the world. They can't achieve the numbers any other way even when they offer to pay people to go there. I'd have to say that the quote above, in conjunction with a product that almost no one can afford and that even fewer would even WANT, indicates a level of being out of touch with reality that has crossed the border from eccentricity to insanity. Maybe saying stuff like this is a kind of backasswards enforced bhakti. The only way one CAN be comfortable with stuff like this is turn off one's mind and critical faculties altogether and believe it fully, without reservation. If you don't surrender to it, you pretty much have to be embarrassed by it. And since we all know that many people would rather die than be embar- rassed, it works to keep them in line. I'd rather feel embarrassed. For them, and for myself for ever having been part of such an organization... Get on the phone immediately to Motorola Turq, spread rumors, do your job. Do not hestitate. Try to stop this immediately ! It's good, right ? Then you know what to do...
[FairfieldLife] the wish to find out
What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell. Surely it takes gullibility to believe things, not willpower. Human society believes in a multitude of different and contradictory things yet look at it. Also with regards to the wish to find out, well, when did wishing ever achieve anything unless action is taken on the project of studying everything which we find exists. You cannot study what you have not found to exist; and reality beats fairy tales well, at least things are true of our experience of finding them anyway. But what is anything when nothing is observing it; or it is not there to observe. You cannot study what you cannot get at. The question becomes what can we get at; and then go study it. Seems too obvious to bother to say really. So, forget I said it. Doug.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. The essence of a good one is to make it believable. And after all of the other actions and announcements/pronouncements of the TMO, this one is. Boy, is this revealing: The movement doesn't do pranks. Er, Rick, I don't think he's suggesting the *TMO* might have done it as a prank. Someone may have written this as a prank, but if it's official, as it appears to be, it's not a prank. As it appears to be?? Really? Wow.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:57 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. The essence of a good one is to make it believable. And after all of the other actions and announcements/pronouncements of the TMO, this one is. Boy, is this revealing: The movement doesn't do pranks. Er, Rick, I don't think he's suggesting the *TMO* might have done it as a prank. Someone may have written this as a prank, but if it's official, as it appears to be, it's not a prank. As it appears to be?? Really? Wow. I really thought it was, until you all started saying it was a spoof. I can't tell anymore.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
I thought it really could be a sign of the times. I half admired the idea of taking something as bling and useless as ringtones and making millions from it. That's more the right idea actually, and it would get the TMO to an entirely new generation. Obviously TMO is for old hippies, but tomorrow maybe Punditji will have Vedic ringtones or something. It bears consideration. Or a conglomerate of today's Hindus or Buddhists could have various spiritual tones under an umbrella company for such stuff. It bears consideration. -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hermandan0 Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:02 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: Oh God! This is what will happen when Maharishi dies. Indeed, it might. I fully admit to being taken in for a few minutes, Snip Deep bow. :-) Snip Thanks Turq. My friend who forwarded it to me says he usually prefers a belly laugh, or at least a knee-slap, to a deep bow, but but he'll take what he can get. An indeed--he took all he could of my playing insipid (as distinct from the good ones!) Mother Divine songs at him at full volume until he finally came clean about the April Fool's joke. At first he tried to convince me he was operating from a secret draft of the MTC soon-to-be-released catalogue that had other products too, even showing me a beat-up and obviously (now that I think about it) mock up of the document. Sheesh, it read like the J freakin' Pederman catalogue. There were lots of other things there, but he decided to use the phone bit. For example, llundrub wouldn't have to worry about walking sideways to face east with the BirkenStha shoe, with a layer of Maharishi Vedic NanoTubesR built into the soles. The shoes not only conform to the shape of your foot but also automatically align to true east, shifting virtually instantaneously with every movement so no matter which way you are facing you are always on a platform facing east. Maharishi always said that TM makes us more feet on the ground and with the BirkenStha our feet can be on the ground and be properly established in correct orientation. No more walking sideways and getting a crick in the neck from turning your head to talk to the person beside you. That would be really great as my chiropractor bills have been astronomical for the past couple of years. I was ready to put my credit card down right away for that one and was extremely disappointed when he finally broke and confessed it was all a joke. By that point, I knew when I saw the Stha-port-pottieR for use on vastu development construction sites that the whole thing was just a sham. Damn! And the picture looked so cute with the kalash on top of the gold-painted outhouse---oops excuse me, Pees Palace. And finally---my friend insists that trin3ty is wrong, and he did not use a template from some old story about a Muslim phone. It must be a meme circulating in the collective consciousness. The originator of the other story could have even gotten it from him, since time, causality, and direction don't really exist and everyone knows that everything worthwhile originates in the Vedas. (Poor guy, he's actually still a bit in denial and has a hard time admitting it was a joke, insisting that these things *could* be. Sigh.) And oh yeah-thanks to card for the Finnish version of the April Fools prank line! Most evocative. Have a great Sunday, everyone. hermandan To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:57 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary And if it IS an April Fool's prank, as Card suggests, well done. The essence of a good one is to make it believable. And after all of the other actions and announcements/pronouncements of the TMO, this one is. Boy, is this revealing: The movement doesn't do pranks. Er, Rick, I don't think he's suggesting the *TMO* might have done it as a prank. Someone may have written this as a prank, but if it's official, as it appears to be, it's not a prank. As it appears to be?? Really? Wow. I really thought it was, until you all started saying it was a spoof. I can't tell anymore. Yeah, as I said, I think that's very revealing. I mean, what does it say about which of us here have the more realistic picture of the TMO?
[FairfieldLife] Re: the wish to find out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dougwilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell. Surely it takes gullibility to believe things, not willpower. Human society believes in a multitude of different and contradictory things yet look at it. Also with regards to the wish to find out, well, when did wishing ever achieve anything unless action is taken on the project of studying everything which we find exists. You cannot study what you have not found to exist; and reality beats fairy tales well, at least things are true of our experience of finding them anyway. But what is anything when nothing is observing it; or it is not there to observe. You cannot study what you cannot get at. The question becomes what can we get at; and then go study it. Well said. Especially the part about studying what we can get at. I was thinking about that today, while walking the dogs along the river at sunset. It was a spectacular sunset. I even caught the dogs looking at it from time to time. They looked sheepish went caught, almost embarrassed, as if busted doing something too human, but that only lasted for a second, and then they were off to sniff other aspects of reality. I can identify. I get off on sniffing reality. I have been very fortunate in this life. I have exper- ienced great moments of profound silence, in the strangest of places. And y'know, the silence was no deeper in the crater of Haleakala than it was during rush hour on Wall Street. And I have experienced moments of great light, and that light was as bright, and as dazzling in the great cathedrals of Europe as it was in Canyon de Chelly and Monument Valley and the Grand Canyon, and as it was in the candlelit rooms of an Amsterdam brothel called Yab Yum. I am one lucky frood. Although ostensibly a Buddhist, I never got particularly caught up in his ideas about life being suffering. My life hasn't been. My life has been fucking spectacular, one amazing adventure after another. I have done pretty much everything wrong that one can possibly do in my life, and it has all turned out right. So do I identify with the wish to find out more than I do the will to believe? Well, duh. The latter is, to me, about settling, about deciding, I've found the ultimate truth, so now I can relax. I've never relaxed, and I hope never to. I hope to keep challenging my beliefs and my assumptions until my dying breath, and after. One of the reasons I like Fairfield Life is that there are others here who seem to feel the same way. That's kinda cool. I have found that on this partidular blue-green ball in black space it's far easier to find folks who have the will to believe than it is to find folks who have the wish to find out. It's nice to have found so many of the latter in the same place. Seems too obvious to bother to say really. So, forget I said it. But it *isn't* obvious to many people. They seem threatened by the wish to find out, as if it were some kind of attack on their will to believe. So I think it's important to actually *state* the obvious from time to time, so that those here who are more in the wish to find out camp can be reminded that theirs is a noble path, too, just as noble as the path of those who have a stronger will to believe.
[FairfieldLife] The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
Here's a critique of the video.. http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.ht ml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
reading between the lines I see that the author or who he represents has some agenda with Channel 4. h... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a critique of the video.. http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.h t ml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Out of touch with reality to a degree that is scary
In a message dated 4/1/07 11:19:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Versed in Vedic Knowledge Experienced in Higher Consciousness Brahman or Kshatriya caste Of chaste personage Pleasant sumissive demeanor Female gender I think we are all relieved to see *Female gender* qualification. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:18 PM, larry.potter wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced. What they didn't tell you is most of these people represent fringe science. The Royal Academy has actually come out and condemned the documentary.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
Some of the people who think Global Warming is a scam still believe there is climate change and something should be done about (alternative and renewable energy sources, etc). They think however that Global Warming will be used as an excuse to further set up a police state to control the masses. larry.potter wrote: reading between the lines I see that the author or who he represents has some agenda with Channel 4. h... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a critique of the video.. http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.h t ml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced.
[FairfieldLife] The Century of the Self - fascinating documentary
an hour-long each: The Century of the Self 1/4 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151 Happiness Machines The story of the relationship between Sigmund Freud and his American nephew, Edward Bernays. Bernays invented the public relations profession in the 1920s and was the first person to take Freud's ideas to manipulate the masses. He showed American corporations how they could make people want things they didn't need by systematically linking mass-produced goods to their unconscious desires. Bernays was one of the main architects of the modern techniques of mass- consumer persuasion, using every trick in the book, from celebrity endorsement and outrageous PR stunts, to eroticising the motorcar. His most notorious coup was breaking the taboo on women smoking by persuading them that cigarettes were a symbol of independence and freedom. But Bernays was convinced that this was more than just a way of selling consumer goods. It was a new political idea of how to control the masses. By satisfying the inner irrational desires that his uncle had identified, people could be made happy and thus docile. It was the start of the all-consuming self which has come to dominate today's world. The Century of the Self 2/4 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614 The Engineering of Consent The programme explores how those in power in post-war America used Freud's ideas about the unconscious mind to try and control the masses. Politicians and planners came to believe Freud's underlying premise - that deep within all human beings were dangerous and irrational desires and fears. They were convinced that it was the unleashing of these instincts that had led to the barbarism of Nazi Germany. To stop it ever happening again they set out to find ways to control this hidden enemy within the human mind. Sigmund Freud's daughter, Anna, and his nephew, Edward Bernays, provided the centrepiece philosophy. The US government, big business, and the CIA used their ideas to develop techniques to manage and control the minds of the American people. But this was not a cynical exercise in manipulation. Those in power believed that the only way to make democracy work and create a stable society was to repress the savage barbarism that lurked just under the surface of normal American life. - The Century of the Self 3/4 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6111922724894802811 There is Policeman Inside all our Heads: He Must Be Destroyed In the 1960s, a radical group of psychotherapists challenged the influence of Freudian ideas in America. They were inspired by the ideas of Wilhelm Reich, a pupil of Freud's, who had turned against him and was hated by the Freud family. He believed that the inner self did not need to be repressed and controlled. It should be encouraged to express itself. Out of this came a political movement that sought to create new beings free of the psychological conformity that had been implanted in people's minds by business and politics. This programme shows how this rapidly developed in America through self- help movements like Werber Erhard's Erhard Seminar Training - into the irresistible rise of the expressive self: the Me Generation. But the American corporations soon realised that this new self was not a threat but their greatest opportunity. It was in their interest to encourage people to feel they were unique individuals and then sell them ways to express that individuality. To do this they turned to techniques developed by Freudian psychoanalysts to read the inner desires of the new self. - The Century of the Self 4/4 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v331915rasbNeNS? searchId=6520017166204494413rank=0 Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering This episode explains how politicians on the left, in both Britain and America, turned to the techniques developed by business to read and fulfil the inner desires of the self. Both New Labour, under Tony Blair, and the Democrats, led by Bill Clinton, used the focus group, which had been invented by psychoanalysts, in order to regain power. They set out to mould their policies to people's inner desires and feelings, just as capitalism had learnt to do with products. Out of this grew a new culture of public relations and marketing in politics, business and journalism. One of its stars in Britain was Matthew Freud who followed in the footsteps of his relation, Edward Bernays, the inventor of public relations in the 1920s. The politicians believed they were creating a new and better form of democracy, one that truly responded to the inner feelings of individual. But what they didn't realise was that the aim of those who had originally created these techniques had not been to
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And finally---my friend insists that trin3ty is wrong, and he did not use a template from some old story about a Muslim phone. It must be a meme circulating in the collective consciousness. The originator of the other story could have even gotten it from him, since time, causality, and direction don't really exist and everyone knows that everything worthwhile originates in the Vedas. I might be wrong about the inspiration, but the islamic phone really exists: http://www.ilkonetel.com/ilkone.htm Islamic Features The Holy Quran The Complete Holy Quran text with English Translation, Aproved by Al-Azhar Qibla Automatic Qibla direction from anywhere in the world Automatic Full Azan Voice Azan of Mecca, Madina Cairo Voice,from anywhere in the world,with prayer alarm before and after Azan Pray in Mosque Automatic silence and switching to vibration mode for 40 minutes from Azan Ramadan Calender Automatic alarm for Sohour, Imsak and Iftar Hijri Calender Islamic calender and date convertion Sure that your friend is not yourself? Great story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And finally---my friend insists that trin3ty is wrong, and he did not use a template from some old story about a Muslim phone. It must be a meme circulating in the collective consciousness. The originator of the other story could have even gotten it from him, since time, causality, and direction don't really exist and everyone knows that everything worthwhile originates in the Vedas. I might be wrong about the inspiration, but the islamic phone really exists: http://www.ilkonetel.com/ilkone.htm Islamic Features The Holy Quran The Complete Holy Quran text with English Translation, Aproved by Al-Azhar Qibla Automatic Qibla direction from anywhere in the world Automatic Full Azan Voice Azan of Mecca, Madina Cairo Voice,from anywhere in the world,with prayer alarm before and after Azan Pray in Mosque Automatic silence and switching to vibration mode for 40 minutes from Azan Ramadan Calender Automatic alarm for Sohour, Imsak and Iftar Hijri Calender Islamic calender and date convertion Sure that your friend is not yourself? Great story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the wish to find out
Thank you for the most refreshing read Sir, and it sounds like you have had/are having a most interesting life. And yes, I too like to sniff everything, and feel the touch, and soak up the sunrise and the sunsets, and the beauty of the world and its variety is evergreen and custom does not stale its delight, but grows ever stronger by the day in communion with it. As for what we can get at, well, as you intimate, there are things which generally go unsaid, or perhaps even unknown by some; but yes that peace and comprehension found in that profound silence where time and change is forgotten is the very essence of all that is good and true; and where the poets are lost for words and the philosophers ask no more questions. I know what you mean. As for me I am not inclined toward any system of belief, for does not life itself exceed anything which one could ever believe anyway. But, each to their own, and if it puts icing on the cake for them, then so be it; but I like the cake just as I find it to be. The dogs seem to enjoy it too; and they make trustworthy companions and ask for nothing except ones friendship, and who could withhold that indeed. Many thanks. Doug. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dougwilmer dougwilmer@ wrote: What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell. Surely it takes gullibility to believe things, not willpower. Human society believes in a multitude of different and contradictory things yet look at it. Also with regards to the wish to find out, well, when did wishing ever achieve anything unless action is taken on the project of studying everything which we find exists. You cannot study what you have not found to exist; and reality beats fairy tales well, at least things are true of our experience of finding them anyway. But what is anything when nothing is observing it; or it is not there to observe. You cannot study what you cannot get at. The question becomes what can we get at; and then go study it. Well said. Especially the part about studying what we can get at. I was thinking about that today, while walking the dogs along the river at sunset. It was a spectacular sunset. I even caught the dogs looking at it from time to time. They looked sheepish went caught, almost embarrassed, as if busted doing something too human, but that only lasted for a second, and then they were off to sniff other aspects of reality. I can identify. I get off on sniffing reality. I have been very fortunate in this life. I have exper- ienced great moments of profound silence, in the strangest of places. And y'know, the silence was no deeper in the crater of Haleakala than it was during rush hour on Wall Street. And I have experienced moments of great light, and that light was as bright, and as dazzling in the great cathedrals of Europe as it was in Canyon de Chelly and Monument Valley and the Grand Canyon, and as it was in the candlelit rooms of an Amsterdam brothel called Yab Yum. I am one lucky frood. Although ostensibly a Buddhist, I never got particularly caught up in his ideas about life being suffering. My life hasn't been. My life has been fucking spectacular, one amazing adventure after another. I have done pretty much everything wrong that one can possibly do in my life, and it has all turned out right. So do I identify with the wish to find out more than I do the will to believe? Well, duh. The latter is, to me, about settling, about deciding, I've found the ultimate truth, so now I can relax. I've never relaxed, and I hope never to. I hope to keep challenging my beliefs and my assumptions until my dying breath, and after. One of the reasons I like Fairfield Life is that there are others here who seem to feel the same way. That's kinda cool. I have found that on this partidular blue-green ball in black space it's far easier to find folks who have the will to believe than it is to find folks who have the wish to find out. It's nice to have found so many of the latter in the same place. Seems too obvious to bother to say really. So, forget I said it. But it *isn't* obvious to many people. They seem threatened by the wish to find out, as if it were some kind of attack on their will to believe. So I think it's important to actually *state* the obvious from time to time, so that those here who are more in the wish to find out camp can be reminded that theirs is a noble path, too, just as noble as the path of those who have a stronger will to believe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the wish to find out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So do I identify with the wish to find out more than I do the will to believe? Well, duh. The latter is, to me, about settling, about deciding, I've found the ultimate truth, so now I can relax. I've never relaxed, and I hope never to. I hope to keep challenging my beliefs and my assumptions until my dying breath, and after. Before this year's April Fool's Day is over, I should mention what has to be one of the most magnificent, most prolonged, and most hilarious pranks in the history of the Web. It took place primarily over the space of about 15 hours on alt.meditation.transcendental (it was actually about two weeks before April Fool's Day). It's in the form of a long thread, but once you start reading, it's addictive. A TMer who goes by the name Delia originated and conducted it, with able assistance from a number of other alt.m.t-ers. Delia did an absolutely brilliant job. It begins here: http://tinyurl.com/yoo72a (The connection to what I quoted above from Barry's post will become clear after you've read a bit of it.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it really could be a sign of the times. I half admired the idea of taking something as bling and useless as ringtones and making millions from it. That's more the right idea actually, and it would get the TMO to an entirely new generation. Obviously TMO is for old hippies, but tomorrow maybe Punditji will have Vedic ringtones or something. I don't know about ringtones, but we don't have to wait for Punditji, the Deepak is already there. This is from Wired: 'Multimedia spiritual guidance can also be had in the United States by people who subscribe to a daily service called The Seven Spiritual Laws, which features the holistic teachings of Deepak Chopra. Currently available from two U.S. mobile operators, the service provides daily aphorisms as well as diet tips and an inspiring image.' http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/08/64624
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:18 PM, larry.potter wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced. What they didn't tell you is most of these people represent fringe science. The Royal Academy has actually come out and condemned the documentary. The one real climate scientist interviewed in this film (made by a public relations firm with oil/gas industry ties) has disassociated himself from it due to the way it distorts his actual views. A complete takedown of the so-called science in the film can be found here: http://www.realclimate.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only spent a short time in India with MMY. I agree with part of what you wrote. I think you mean the empirical movement hit the West harder and I agree that it hit there harder, first. India is catching up fast now. Yes, but don't forget, we are talking of a time 50 years back. Smaller and more conservative middleclass then. Rural India is as full of miracle stories as rural Mexico. And because India has such a large superstitious rural population it is easy to forget the middle class types who view miracle stories with the same suspicion many Westerners do. I have heard the same skepticism of Sai Baba's tricks from Indians. They have the perspective that miracles may be possible but they are skeptical of people cashing in on these claims. The scepticism about Sai Baba is definitely there in India, as there have been relevatory videos (still millions believe in him). But I was citing Shirdi Baba who is dead since long, and he was a great miracle man. Most spiritual inclined Indians do not doubt him. Judging all Indian culture by what uneducated Indians believe doesn't do the whole range of Indian perspectives justice. I also detect a wry humor about all these claims from Middle Class Indians. Most of them have seen more spiritual scams in their youth then we will in our lifetime. That may well be. My point though is: Belief in miracles and the exhibition of Siddhis by saints is standard in a conservative religious milieu in India. It still is and it was even more so in 1952-56 I just met a man who met Maharsishi in 1954-58, before he came to the west, and he attributed what he called a miracle to Maharishi (In this case its up to interpretation to call it a miracle, Maharshi caught a plane in Madras even though he was 2 hours late - and so was the plane. One might call this also a coincidence or simply sychronocity). Anyway, for him this was a proof that he is a great divine master. Me: I caught a late plane once. If you fly a lot this will happen. My point here was not the happening itself, it could be easily explained as coincidence, but simply the fact that for this man it was proof of the spiritual magnitude of Maharishi. For me meeting such a person was as such more interesting than the story. He was an authentic witness of the impact Maharishi was having at the conception of TM. (He also narrated that Maharishi initiated 200 people on that day, announced himself 3 hours before to arrive with a party of 15 people and that no rooms were there, when he came just some people moved out and the rooms were there - he was a hotel owner at the time. He still feels devoted to Maharishi. It is interesting to meet people from this time. Me: It happens all the time. How come miracle stories don't involve the curing of cancer or AIDS? They do don't they? Again my topic is not the miracles as such, but the belief in them. My point: To believe in siddhis or hint at them was something expected from a great saint. Its likely Maharishi and Guru Dev believed in this themselves. They were not your modern day Indian middle class sceptic. Therefore I don't see here an attempt to treachery or go for the gullible westerner. Anyway, this was found in the early texts that were conceived in India. There wasn't any idea of the west yet in Maharishis 1952 introduction, when Guru Dev came to Delhi Maharishi had a meditation hall constructed in this place where I and several friends went out to meditate sometimes, also friends who had no TM-connection felt it was a good place to meditate. There is a tree in front of the hall - Maharishi built the hall near the tree as he felt it was supportive of meditation - another extraphysical feat.) Me: I'm not sure what is being claimed here. The belief that a tree has a positive effect on meditation is certainly outside of your western rationalism. The story proofs that Maharishi believed in it and thus wasn't a rationalist. If Maharishi was a rationalist and would tell people about siddhis, he would be deceiving them consciously. But of course he isn't When I was in Gujarat, somebody told me of a lake where at Shivaratri Sadhus jump in to never come out again - they simply disappear. Obviously there are million onlookers. I was told that the whole lake was searched through by researchers and they didn't find anything (holes to hide, corpses etc) This is not to say that I can attest any of this, or that there couldn't be any rationalist explanation, but it tells you that miracle-stories and religious life are closely interwoven in India, and certainly you are looking at this topic with a western cultural lense of an already rationalised religion. Me: Nicely put. There are conditions under which you could test such a physical claim. I'll be no one is jumping in to impose the kind of test conditions one would need. It
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
Global Warming is not a scam in my mind, however the media and popular science painting it as man-made is very much exaggerated. though there is a climate change, i doubt however that we have any significance control over it () , it is used in my opinion for foreign political and economical agendas, unfortunately some heavy funds are wasted on futile and irrelevant research with regard to global warming, while those funds are very much needed elsewhere, but if this is what it takes to progress alternative and renewable energy sources, maybe it's good for the long run. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the people who think Global Warming is a scam still believe there is climate change and something should be done about (alternative and renewable energy sources, etc). They think however that Global Warming will be used as an excuse to further set up a police state to control the masses. larry.potter wrote: reading between the lines I see that the author or who he represents has some agenda with Channel 4. h... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Here's a critique of the video.. http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.h t ml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man made global warming to be which is a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government funds), research funds, of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be used more often and be the major source of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at least reduced.
[FairfieldLife] Yell Fire!
Great Song: http://www.spearheadvibrations.com/ Then click on Yell Fire! link on the upper right. A revolution never come with a warning A revolution never sends you an omen A revolution just arrived like the morning Ring the alarm we come to wake up the snoring They tellin' you to worry about the future They tellin' you to never worry about the torture They tellin' you that you'll never see the horror Spend it all today and we will bill you tomorrow Three piece suits and bank accounts in Bahamas Wall street crime will never send you to the slammer Tell all the children in the arms of their mummas The F-15 is a homocide bomber TV commercials for a popping pill culture Drug companies circling like a vulture An Iraqi babies with a G.I. Joe father Ten years from now is anybody gonna bother? Yell Fire, yo, yo, yo Here we come here we come Fire, yo, yo , yo, yo Revolution a comin' Fire, yo, yo, yo, yo Fire, yo, yo, yo, yo Everyone addicted to the same nicotine Everyone addicted to the same gasoline Everyone addicted to a technicolour screen Everybody tryin' to get their hands on the same green From the banks of the river to the banks of the greedy All the riches taken back by needy We come from the country and we come from the city You play us on the record, you can play us on the CD All the shit you've given us is fertilizer The seeds that we planted you can never brutalize them Tell the corporation they can never globalize it Like Peter Tosh said Legalize it Girls and boys hear the bass and treble Rumble in the speakers and it make you wanna rebel Throw your hands up, take it to another level And you can never, ever, ever make a deal with the devil Yell Fire, yo, yo, yo Here we come here we come Fire, yo, yo, yo, yo Revolution a comin' Fire, yo, yo, yo, yo Fire, yo, yo, yo, yo
[FairfieldLife] Inland Empire
Well, I finally got a chance to see David Lynch's movie Inland Empire - or to see the first hour, anyway. We walked out. It was too ugly and slow-moving to tolerate, and I get a little thrill from walking out of cinematic stinkers. It's kinda funny to imagine the MUM crowd sitting through all three hours, just so they can say they did when they next see Mr. Lynch. I associate the MUM movie tastes with the classics we watched during my MIU days, not avante-guard experiments.
[FairfieldLife] Newsweek Debate: Rick Warren v. Sam Harris
Note: forwarded message attached. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.---BeginMessage--- ~~ Rick Warren v. Sam Harris ~~ NEWSWEEK invited Sam Harris, the author of two best-selling books advocating atheism, The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation, and Rick Warren, pastor of the Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif., and the author of the worldwide best-seller The Purpose-Driven Life, to discuss the ultimate question: is God real? If you know anything about the two men, you will not find their answers surprising. The details of their arguments and the play of their minds, however, shed light on the nature of the clash about religion at this moment in America. Warren believes in the God of Abraham as revealed by Scripture, tradition and reason; Jesus is Warren's personal savior and was, Warren argues, who he said he was: the Son of God. Harris, naturally, takes a different view. I no more believe in the Biblical God than I believe in Zeus, Isis, Thor and the thousands of other dead gods that lie buried in the mass grave we call 'mythology', Harris says. I doubt them all equally and for the same reason: lack of evidence. (From Jon Meacham's introductory essay) (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dkikh5bab.0.znokh5bab.ekkouxbab.2743ts=S0235p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F17889147%2Fsite%2Fnewsweek%2F) Introductory Essay: Is God Real?, by Jon Meacham (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dkikh5bab.0.znokh5bab.ekkouxbab.2743ts=S0235p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F17889147%2Fsite%2Fnewsweek%2F) The Debate: Rick Warren v. Sam Harris (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dkikh5bab.0.5nokh5bab.ekkouxbab.2743ts=S0235p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F17889148%2Fsite%2Fnewsweek%2F) . ~~ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.samharris.org/ ~~ Forward email http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1101378562372ea=coshlnx%40yahoo.coma=1101599678787 This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Update Profile/Email Address http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oom=1101378562372ea=coshlnx%40yahoo.comse=2743t=1101599678787lang=enreason=F Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=unm=1101378562372ea=coshlnx%40yahoo.comse=2743t=1101599678787lang=enreason=F Privacy Policy: http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Sam Harris | a href=http://www.samharris.org;www.samharris.org/a | New York | NY | 10021 ---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I enjoy it until I don't! I used to have a scotty dog as a kid. We would play ball till he got so revved up he would bite me. Then I knew it was time to quit. It was basically a good dog though. Arf. Trouble is, you misunderstood. I was explicit that I was not putting you down for quitting TM, but you (and Vaj, of course) missed that entirely. Post 10,269 wherein Judy again riffs on her I'm smarter than you theme. It is mind numbingly boring and obnoxious. Thank god (and Rick) that we only have to endure 5 of these a day now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and MMY's intro letter continues
On Apr 1, 2007, at 10:41 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Well said, which probably makes a lot of us wonder why you bother in the first place. Because I enjoy it until I don't! I used to have a scotty dog as a kid. We would play ball till he got so revved up he would bite me. Then I knew it was time to quit. It was basically a good dog though. I was fascinated by what you said about Guru Dev being known for displaying miracles. Any more info or sources I can find? In terms of written comment, the only one that comes to mind (and please keep in mind keeping a running track of TM quotes or references isn't something I've really done for years) is from Cenkner's book on the Shankaracharya Order. The book does have some known errors, so it should be viewed with some care. Cenkner mentions SBS's habit of starting ritual fires. He supposedly could do this with a glance or wave of the hand. This was also extremely upsetting to the Brahmans officiating over the various rites, so it must've stirred some controversy at the time. There are other claims, but the best I would say is that they are anecdotal accounts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and
On Mar 31, 2007, at 11:40 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: It is your underlying arrogant assumption that you know me better than I know myself that makes you such a bore. It leaks into every discussion. No one has blown holes in anything. We are all offering our own point of view. Your insistence that yours is the superior one is what turns this into an unpleasant discussion. Your repetition of the same Dr. Phil talk that you have given me many times over the years reveals your agenda in every discussion no matter what the topic. Somehow you need to criticize my decision to leave the movement. You have tried so many angles over the years. But none of them have anything to do with me. You have never had a sincere interest to understand why I left, just a need to put me down for it. Tom T: The behavior that Judy continues to exhibit falls under the title of harassment. See definition below and see why most people on this chat have had enough of her and her harassment. Pick your favorite word to describe her behavior. harass (h?-ra-s', ha-r'?s) Pronunciation Key tr.v. harassed, harassing, harasses 1. To irritate or torment persistently. 2. To wear out; exhaust. 3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids. 1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute. 2. to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid. harassment 1. a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented; so great was his harassment that he wanted to destroy his tormentors 2. the act of tormenting by continued persistent attacks and criticism Roget's New Millennium Thesaurus - Cite This Source Main Entry: harassment Part of Speech: noun Definition: badgering Synonyms: aggravation, annoyance, bedevilment, bother, bothering, disturbance, exasperation, hassle, irking, irritation, molestation, nuisance, persecution, perturbation, pestering, provocation, provoking, torment, trouble, vexation, vexing
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and
The problem with being kicked off of FFLife is that it sort of qualifies one to be here, vexing or not. Tom T: The behavior that Judy continues to exhibit falls under the title of harassment. See definition below and see why most people on this chat have had enough of her and her harassment. Pick your favorite word to describe her behavior. ha.rass (h?-ra-s', ha-r'?s) Pronunciation Key tr.v. ha.rassed, ha.rass.ing, ha.rass.es 1. To irritate or torment persistently. 2. To wear out; exhaust. 3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids. 1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute. 2. to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid. harassment 1. a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented; so great was his harassment that he wanted to destroy his tormentors 2. the act of tormenting by continued persistent attacks and criticism Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus - Cite This Source Main Entry: harassment Part of Speech: noun Definition: badgering Synonyms: aggravation, annoyance, bedevilment, bother, bothering, disturbance, exasperation, hassle, irking, irritation, molestation, nuisance, persecution, perturbation, pestering, provocation, provoking, torment, trouble, vexation, vexing To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and
Tom T: The behavior that Judy continues to exhibit falls under the title of harassment. See definition below and see why most people on this chat have had enough of her and her harassment. Pick your favorite word to describe her behavior. snip I was the one who advocated not piling on, BUT, Judy seems to have no consciousness, (if I may use this term), that this is what she is doing. She is just setting the record straight. She is just defending the faith, or as her chief antaganist says, defending the small s. I acknowledge her I AM presence, BUT I don't see any change happening, not at this juncture anyway. lurk
