[FairfieldLife] Re: SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >   
> Sure, I had good experiences from TM.  I began experiencing what MMY 
> likes to call CC about a year and a half after starting TM.  But 
here's 
> the catch, I had already been practicing different mantra techniques 
> before TM and on my first try at meditating a good 3 1/2 years 
before TM 
> the kudalini rose to the crown chakra. 

Just curious: how do you know that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?
> 
> Please indicate if you have had some good experiences that appeared 
> to come during, or from, the practice of TM that would indicate to 
> you that it is possible to experience a hightened state of 
> consciousness through TM, or convinced you that such a state exists 
> over and above the normal states commonly experienced previous to 
> your practice. 
> 
> Please state your experience in brief in a short paragraph. (We can 
> do a negative experience thing next time, but please stick to 
> positive experiences for the purpose of this survey.) I will post 
> the results in a few days. (if you do not post one, then I will 
> respectfully take your answer to be that you have never experienced 
> anything of that nature described above due to TM.)
> 
> Thanks.   
>  Please post here:

My experience is so damn abstract I'm really
at a loss to describe it.  I'll have to fall
back on what I said about it here awhile ago:
it's a matter of gradually, steadily, and
continuously increasing transparency, in both
meditation and activity. Impossible to say
what the endpoint might be, or whether there
would even be an endpoint.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:26 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > An
> > > indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with 
the
> > > group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack 
that
> > > are characteristic of a troll attack."
> >
> > Just for fun--since I suspect Vaj is hoping to
> > mislead readers to think the above applies to
> > me--here's Rick Archer, in response to one of
> > my early posts to FFL:
> >
> > > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to
> > > > see why you have earned the reputation of stridently
> > > > defending TM against any and all criticism.
> > > > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/)
> 
> 
> Interesting you felt it was about you.
> 
> That speaks volumes.

It does, but it doesn't say quite what you think.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?

[handsonmaui]

Bhairitu (or anyone)

I'm often curious when I see someone talk about "pure consciousness"
(PC) followed by a qualifier like "grows in intensity with practice".
 That seems to indicate to me some sense of levels...

Do you mean your experience becomes more frequent and/or is
experienced for greater durations?  Or are you referring to the
integration of PC into other states of awareness and not the actual
experience of PC? 

I guess I'm asking if you could give me a clearer description of how
you experience intensity and how that intensity "grows"?

Thanks

HandsOnMaui


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?
> >
 
> Sure, I had good experiences from TM.
 

>  TM was a stable "official" 
> technique I decided to try in 1973.  Of course now I practice advanced 
> tantric techniques.  In tantra we don't have "levels."  There is just 
> the experience of what would in TM "pure consciousness" which grows in 
> intensity with practice.  I think that delineating levels is a problem 
> for many TM practitioners and if anything makes people push the carrot 
> farther out when they may have already swallowed it.
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Sexy Sadie

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:32 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Sexy Sadie

 

The FFL files section used to have the 'Sexie Sadie' files stored 
there. Are they archived somewhere on the internet that can be 
researched? They do not seem to be here as FFL files anymore. I was 
looking for that account from one of those women who related about how 
Maharishi used to go on about how gullible Westerners were.

-Doug in FF

It's in the Files section, in a folder named "TM-The Odd Side" 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[new . morning]

Carbon reduction options that could be used as offsets for more
expensive options (e.g. hybrid cars)include increased and improved
forestation -- planting more trees. About 1 acre per tone of carbon
sequestered /year at $10-50 /ton.  See below

Graphing all carbon reduction options produces an upward sloping 
supply curve (price on horizontal axis, quantity on vertical). Credits
trading would focus on "low hanging fruit" first -- the lower part of
the supply curve and work upward. 

Some may argue this is like buying penances, hiring someone to take
place in draft (a civil war practice), or even yagyas. All have common
thread of buying something to reduce the "work" one has to do".
Broadly speaking, thats also the definition of technology -- capital
investments to reduce required time or energy to accomplish something.

I think this theme is one reason some resist the concept of emissions
trading credits. It is suggested that this allows the more affluent to
buy themselvess out of sacrafice. Something in that rubs against the
grain of social equality and shared contributions and burden. 

However, all would be making parallel contributions  to reducing CO2.
The more affluent, if consuming more enrgy, would be required to
reduce more CO2. All that the emissions credit program does is allow
all co2 producers to reduce their share of production at lowest cost.
Lowest cost options is most important to those of less affluent means.
Denying emission credits would hurt the less affluent most by denying
least cost options.

Relationship of impending and substantial global climate change to ME,
consciousness, etc? Faster rate of technological innovation is a key
to addressing global warming. It in essence would tend to  flatten the
Carbon Reduction supply curve yielding more lower cost options. If ME
enhances global creativity, mental potential, cooperation, and lessens
"resistances" etc, an increased rate of technological innovation is
plausible. 

==


http://www.epa.gov/sequestration/faq.html#4

4. How much carbon can agricultural and forestry practices sequester?


Pine plantations in the Southeast can accumulate almost 100 metric
tons of carbon per acre after 90 years, or roughly one metric ton of
carbon per acre per year (Birdsey 1996). 

6. How much carbon sequestration occurs in the U.S.?

The U.S. landscape acts as a net carbon sink—it sequesters more carbon
than it emits. Two types of analyses confirm this: 1) atmospheric, or
top-down, methods that look at changes in CO2 concentrations; and 2)
land-based, or bottom-up, methods that incorporate on-the-ground
inventories or plot measurements. Net sequestration (i.e., the
difference between carbon gains and losses) in U.S. forests, urban
trees and agricultural soils totaled almost 840 teragrams (Tg) of CO2
equivalent (or about 230 Tg or million metric tons of carbon
equivalent) in 2001 (Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and
Sinks). This offsets approximately 15% of total U.S. CO2 emissions
from the energy, transportation and other sectors. However, the
overall sequestration level in the U.S. has been declining and is
projected to continue declining, due to increasing harvests, land-use
changes and maturing forests. More information on U.S. carbon
sequestration estimates and historical trends can be found under the
National Analysis section of this Web site.
7. What is the potential for additional sequestration to offset
greenhouse gas emissions?

At the global level, the IPCC Third Assessment Report Exit
disclaimerestimates about 100 billion metric tons of carbon over the
next 50 years could be sequestered through forest preservation, tree
planting and improved agricultural management. This would offset
10-20% of the world's projected fossil fuel emissions. For the U.S.,
some analyses (e.g., McCarl and Schneider 2001) suggest that between
50 and 150 million metric tons of additional carbon sequestration per
year could be achieved through changes in agricultural soil and forest
management, tree planting, and biofuel substitution. These particular
results consider the financial incentive to improve land-use practices
at prices of, respectively, $10 and $50 per metric ton of additional
carbon stored. For more information on analyses of the potential for
additional sequestration in the U.S., visit the National Analysis
section of this Web site.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 4/6/07 6:44:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > However,  a carbon cap and credits trading system could/would
> > monetarize carbon  reduction projects in india to be sold as
credits to
> > carbon over producers  in the West who face only more expensive
> > options. (article cites 550  million tons or carbon reduction at about
> > $50/ton -- which is less than  cost of coal generatio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[dhamiltony2k5]

Codicil 371.3 to TMO 'Natural Law', ref.post 29571

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/29571
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/20441


codicil 371.3 of Natural Law,
which says, "He who cuts the biggest check gets the most
strokes, and achieves enlightenment first. Plus, he
gets to wear robes and a Burger King crown."


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> >  wrote:
> > > > > What could Maharishi have done or said to bring 
> > > > > meditators back to the domes and group meditation,
> > > > > to get the numbers needed, even way back last 
> > > > > summer when this latest TM course started?
> > > > >  
> > > > > Is interesting that even with even with paying people 
> > > > > to meditate, bringing by the hundreds hire-ling 
> > > > > student pandits from India, giving the sidhi's away 
> > > > > in exchange for practicing in the domes, they can 
> > > > > not get the numbers in the dome.
> > > > > 
> > > > > " According to the plan I (Raja W.) have mentioned 
> > > > > before, another 500 Pandits will be arriving over 
> > > > > the next few months, bringing the total here to 
> > > > > 1,000. This number of Pandits will assure that there 
> > > > > will always be more than the Super Radiance number 
> > > > > of 1732 Yogic Flyers necessary to maintain permanent 
> > > > > invincibility for America."
> > > >
> > > > Mayor and 'Raja' Wynne says it and confirms it all right 
there.
> > > > 
> > > > Strong commentary on the predicament of Maharishi at the 
end.  
> > > > Where did his meditators go?  
> > 
> > On the whole, they followed his lead. They "holed
> > up" somewhere safe and let other people worry about
> > (and work to relieve) the problems of the world.
> > 
> > > > Used to be thousands would show up on a phone call.  
> > 
> > Back when Maharishi still had an ounce of credibility,
> > and more important, still had the ability to inspire 
> > others without bullying, scaring, or threatening them.
> > 
> > > > Now, a few hundreds?
> > > > 
> > > > What could he have said or done otherwise to get this 
> > > > going with his old TM'er movement?  What went wrong 
> > > > for Maharishi?
> > 
> > I think that those who are interested in this question
> > might benefit from a reading of (or re-reading of)
> > Hermann Hesse's "Magister Ludi: The Glass Bead Game."
> > It's the story of a long-term spiritual tradition
> > falling apart because its leaders "holed up" inside
> > the walls of their monastery and 1) stopped having
> > anything to do with the "unspiritual" people outside
> > the walls, 2) stopped even *listening* to these
> > "unspiritual" people outside the walls, and 3) stop-
> > ped listening to anyone who *was* inside the walls
> > who suggested that they should do more for those
> > outside of them. It's the story of a spiritual
> > movement gone mad from self-indulgence and the
> > focus on its own self-importance.
> > 
> > As the focus shifted away from actual teaching of TM
> > (which involves and *requires* daily interaction with
> > the "great unwashed," the people outside the walls of
> > the ashram, the self importance of the TM movement
> > and its "core followers" grew larger and larger, at
> > the same time that the minds and the compassion of 
> > these core followers grew smaller and smaller.
> > 
> > Cutting a check so that *other* people could interact
> > with the "great unwashed" and teach TM became prefer-
> > able to interacting with these lesser-evolved people
> > oneself. And lo, cutting a check was rewarded with
> > strokes from the guru, and with proximity to him. 
> > Other followers, brought up on the shining example
> > of Trotakacharya and others who supposedly realized
> > their enlightenment through nothing *but* proximity
> > to the guru looked at this phenomenon and made the
> > obvious (to them) choice. "Why work our butts off in
> > the field catering to these people who are so much
> > less evolved than we are when we can gain proximity
> > to the guru (and thus our own all-important enlight-
> > enment) by simply cutting a check?" And yea verily,
> > cutting a check became the new pathway to enlight-
> > enment.
> > 
> > There are *thousands* of things that Maharishi could
> > have done or said to prevent the situation he finds
> > himself in now. But those things would have involved 
> > true humility on his part and a desire to actually
> > help the people of the world (as opposed to a desire
> > to make money by "announcing" his intention to help
> > the people of the world and then sitting back and
> > collecting checks from the "faithful").
> > 
> > But he didn't do these things, and now he finds him-
> > self in the position of having to "outsource" butt-
> > bouncers from India, because only a few hundred 
> > students in the entire world still be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Organic milk that isn't

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.newstarget.com/021763.html
> 
> "With consumer demand for organic products continuing to grow, more
> large corporations are entering the organic market. To maximize
> profits, some of these companies don't follow organic standards but
> still label products as organic. For example, Horizon Organic and
> Aurora Organic, sold by Wal-Mart and other retailers, continue to
> produce "organic" milk under factory-farm conditions that few
> reasonable people would consider truly organic.
> 
> According to the Organic Consumers Association, half of Horizon's
> "organic" milk today comes from what can only be 
considered "factory"
> dairy feedlots -- and much of Aurora's organic milk does as well.
> Rather than buy organic calves that have been raised from birth on
> organic farms, these companies seemed to have discovered it's 
cheaper
> to buy conventional calves that have been raised on conventional
> farms, install them in factory feedlots, then milk them and call it
> organic.
> 
> The situation has become so alarming that the Organic Consumers
> Association ultimately called for a boycott, and many knowledgeable
> consumers are now avoiding the Horizon brand entirely."
> 
> * rest of article at link *
>




Wouldn't the problem items, like rBGH and antibiotics, be purged from 
the cows' systems fairly quickly? And, of course, even in a "factory" 
setting, the cows would be eating organic food in order to qualify 
for the label. I'm drinking "Full Circle" label organic milk which is 
undesirable because it is hyperpasteurized in order to ship it 
widely, but it's just not practical right now for me to buy non-hyper 
organic milk.

[FairfieldLife] The Sexy Sadie

[dhamiltony2k5]

The FFL files section used to have the 'Sexie Sadie' files stored 
there.  Are they archived somewhere on the internet that can be 
researched?  They do not seem to be here as FFL files anymore.  I was 
looking for that account from one of those women who related about how 
Maharishi used to go on about how gullible Westerners were.

-Doug in FF

[FairfieldLife] Saw Grindhouse

[Bhairitu]

Fun movie!  Though not for the meek but then you are going to inherit 
the earth, right?   I understand the DVD will have the "missing reels" 
and actually it is showing in Europe with the "missing reels."  They 
must've felt 'mericans couldn't sit still that long (they didn't 
anyway).  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 4/6/07 6:44:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> However,  a carbon cap and credits trading system could/would
> monetarize carbon  reduction projects in india to be sold as credits to
> carbon over producers  in the West who face only more expensive
> options. (article cites 550  million tons or carbon reduction at about
> $50/ton -- which is less than  cost of coal generation sequestering in
> US at  present)
> 
> 
> 
> So we have to give countries like India money so we can drive our
cars? I  
> think not.

Are you simply against buying offsets that reduce carbon at a lower
cost than you can do directly? Via offsets, the same abount of carbon
is reduced if you buy a Prius for a $5000 premium, or at much lower
cost if you pay for some lower cost carbon reduction operation.

Being against offsets (well structured and verified), is being against
lowest cost solutions to carbon reduction. Pay more for the same
thing? I think not. :)

If you "get" the offsets / credits trading concept, then 
what is the difference between buying an offset from a US forester or
biomass producer and paying the same or other carbon reduction
opportunities in India?  Pay more for US credit vs Indian? I think not!

Or do you simply want to ignore the global climate change problem?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 4/6/07 6:44:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

However,  a carbon cap and credits trading system could/would
monetarize carbon  reduction projects in india to be sold as credits to
carbon over producers  in the West who face only more expensive
options. (article cites 550  million tons or carbon reduction at about
$50/ton -- which is less than  cost of coal generation sequestering in
US at  present)



So we have to give countries like India money so we can drive our cars? I  
think not.



** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 4/6/07 8:36:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> For the  first time in nearly two decades of reviewing research on
> global warming,  the main international group studying climate change
> has found that  heat-trapping emissions from industry and other
> activities are already  influencing weather patterns and ecology in
> ways both harmful and  beneficial.
> 
> 
> 
> Assuming this is true for a moment, we, in the United States, could
stop  
> running our cars, stop generating electricity and shut down all of our  
> industries that pollute and probably wouldn't have much effect in
reversing this  trend 
> because if you have ever traveled out side of the US to countries
like  China 
> , India or many other  third world countries, you'll find their 
pollution 
> levels are far worse than ours. These countries have no interest in
 using 
> higher costing technologies to reduce their own pollution levels. 
They are in the 
> market for cheap energy and high productivity. 


Not quite as black and white as that, but the developing countries
have more severe socio-economic trade offs -- as below article explains. 

However, a carbon cap and credits trading system could/would
monetarize carbon reduction projects in india to be sold as credits to
carbon over producers in the West who face only more expensive
options. (article cites 550 million tons or carbon reduction at about
$50/ton -- which is less than cost of coal generation sequestering in
US at present)




http://www.reason.com/news/show/116724.html


Carbon Reduction or Poverty Reduction, Not Both

Ron Bailey files his second dispatch from the UN global warming
conference in Nairobi, Kenya.

Reason Ronald Bailey | November 14, 2006

NAIROBI - Immediate steep global reductions in the emissions of the
chief greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, turn out to be a fantasy. This
was made plain by a panel discussion today which featured the release
of a report by the Brussels-based Centre for European Policy Studies.
The panel aimed to outline the "economic case for action on climate
change, but the realities of global poverty overwhelmed it.  


First, the CEPS report itself with the fetching title, Revisiting EU
Policy Options for Tackling Climate Change, was a kind of Stern
Review-lite. The Stern Review released by the British government the
week before the Nairobi climate conference convened argued that
avoiding climate change must begin now and was surprisingly
affordable. It achieved that conclusion by among other things positing
a very low discount rate so that investments made now to avoid climate
change look cheap when compared to the costs of adapting in the future
to climate change. The CEPS report also applied a relatively low
discount rate and included measures for the "social costs" of
externalities and for valuing energy security. The CEPS report
amounted to interesting intellectual exercise that focused on the
sorts of expensive actions that already rich countries can afford to
take even if they turn out to be economic dead ends.

 

The CEPS report made the magnitude of the proposed reductions clear.
In order to make sure that the CO2 concentrations do not rise beyond
550 parts per million in the atmosphere by 2050, the current annual
level of global emissions of 33 billion tons of CO2 would have to be
slashed by 25 billion tons by 2050. A drop of around 70-80 percent.
However, if no emissions reductions policies are put in place, the
CEPS report notes that global emissions would rise from 33 billion
tons of CO2 today to 51 billion tons by 2050. For comparison, the
European Union's Kyoto Protocol reductions amount to 400 million tons
of CO2 by 2012. 

 

Next, Surya P. Sethi, the principal energy policy advisor to the
Indian government, showed that the CEPS study is basically an exercise
in climate change policy whimsy. Sethi began by reviewing the
development challenges faced by India. He pointed out that 50 percent
of its people have no access to electricity; cooking was the largest
use of energy for 75 percent of households; and 70 percent of cooking
was done using traditional biomass, wood and dung. In addition, 35
percent of India's people live on less than $1 per day and 80 percent
live on less than $2 per day. He pointed out that lack of access to
modern energy supplies correlates with high infant mortality, low life
expectancies, high gender inequality, and low literacy rates.

 

Sethi then noted that India's economy must grow at 8 percent per year
for the next 25 years in order to lift the bottom 40 percent of its
people to a decent standard of living. He pointed out that India was
falling behind in achieving it Millennium Development Goals of
reducing poverty due to persistent energy shortages. "Energy is
central for development. Our energy consumption must go up," declared
Sethi. Today India uses 471 million tons oil eq

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip

I may have preferences as to who I'd rather go out 
> drinking and carousing with on a Friday night, but 
> that's all they are, momentary preferences of a 
> momentary self. All are welcome at my table, and I'd 
> drink from the same passed bottle from any of them 
> without wiping the rim first.

Great line. One great expression begets another.

lurk
> 

> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[lurkernomore20002000]

Dude, You ARE enlightened!

lurk

lurkIn FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > This thread's recent posts have touched upon a very deep wisdom -
- one
> > that I appreciate as a most pleasing spiritual personality 
dynamic --
> > it's living one's life as if something sacred resides inside
> > everyone/everything.
> > 
> > We know the story of the dead dog's white teeth.  
> > 
> > But, I have to confess.  A living breathing human being with a 
two
> > pound on-board computer brain that can resonate with the entire
> > universe can be dismissed by me as worthless, stripped of any
> > meaningful status, and completely discounted because of my 
indulgence
> > in my own prejudices. 
> > 
> > And not just me, right?  We all do it folks.  But I forgive me-
us.  
> > 
> > I mean, really.  Judgmentalism has its place!  
> > 
> > Who can listen to Donald Trump talk about any subject with that
> > hairstyle of his?  I'd rather talk to Someone with a cobra draped
> > around His neck.  Really!  If one has to be distracted during a
> > conversation, geeze, at least let it be by IMPENDING DEATH and 
not an
> > off-centered pelt that a good veterinarian could resuscitate. 
It's
> > easy to see ourselves being parochial and having thoughts about 
others
> > that are not sweet, not true, and not necessary for us to "abide
> > with."  We know the drill.  But, we all know how we love to jam a
> > projection of our personal dynamics into any summing up of 
another's
> > "style."  We all know how one can become so immediately convinced
> > about one's superiority over another.
> > 
> > Easy to disconnect.
> > 
> > Yet, most of us believe that each spark of sentience -- even 
when but
> > dimly seen in another person -- is divine.  But if we purposely 
refuse
> > to see the sacred when it's disguised in an unpleasant garb, it's
> > hypocrisy -- plain and simple.  But it can be so hard to have
> > integrity and act upon one's philosophical morals -- who amongst 
us
> > will toss a buck to "God" when he's disguised as a urine soaked 
bum on
> > the street corner screaming at invisible entities?
> > 
> > It's one thing to be a good Samaritan, but, hey, we all know 
that the
> > typical bum on the street needs $25,000 in dental work alone, and
> > it'll take at least 200 hours of Dr. Phil one-on-one-ing to even 
begin
> > to fix the bum's messed up personality patterns, and probably 
there's
> > a dozen outstanding felony warrants on the bum's sheet.  Unless 
one is
> > able to pay for a bum's entire refurbishing, well, it might make 
one
> > feel better to -- instead -- shred-up the dollar and give it to a
> > passing Norway wharf rat for nesting material.
> > 
> > But, no, not that.  Samaritanism is not the wisdom I've read here
> > lately.  
> > 
> > It's not about whether Maharishi can resonate with the masses.  
It's
> > about if one can actually revere each moment -- no matter if one 
is in
> > a cave, conundrum or conniption.  
> > 
> > Or cult.
> > 
> > I remember Be Here Now where there's this wonderful drawing of 
Christ
> > on the cross watching the spike being hammered into His hands.  
Ram
> > Dass notes the utter compassion Christ felt for the executioners'
> souls.  
> > 
> > Now that's clarity about another's viewpoint, eh?  
> > 
> > That's what I'm reading here recently.
> > 
> > It's not about pity for the other guy's imprisonment within a
> > personality's limitations.  It's not about sighing deeply.
> > 
> > It's about being thrilled with each and every person's 
viewpoint --
> > like it was a 40 caret diamond just found laying on the ground.  
It's
> > about seeing how God solves each moment's needs -- mows into the
> angst.  
> > 
> > God takes on the impossible.  For fun.  
> > 
> > Strike that.  
> > 
> > God TOKES on the impossible.  For fun.
> > 
> > That's what I've read here in the most recent posts of Turq and
> Curtis.  
> > 
> > It's about Buddha meeting Buddha.
> > 
> > And so, is not Maharishi also to be included in this spiritual
> > amnesty?  Can't we toss a buck to him?
> > 
> > Maybe Maharishi needs a lot of dental work before we'd invite 
him to
> > one of our penthouse brunch soirees, but I for one am thrilled 
that he
> > was able to put spirituality on the front burners of so many 
minds in
> > the world.  His mistakes are jarring, but no more jarring than 
when
> > one looks in a mirror, right?  I've certainly sinned far more
> > egregiously than anything I've heard about Maharishi -- if not in
> > degree, then most assuredly in kind.  
> > 
> > Of the millions upon millions who were moved just a titch 
forwards --
> > of the millions who entertained however briefly the concept of
> > "spirit" -- how many of them moved on to commitments in other 
cults,
> > philosophies, passions?  How many of them, after starting the 
slide up
> > the slippery sloping of Jacob's ladder, have found the very 
peace the
> > TM literature speaks of?
> > 
> > Let's see, that would be severa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[lurkernomore20002000]

snip 

It's one thing to be a good Samaritan, but, hey, we all know that the
typical bum on the street needs $25,000 in dental work alone, and 
it'll take at least 200 hours of Dr. Phil one-on-one-ing to even 
begin to fix the bum's messed up personality patterns, and probably 
there' a dozen outstanding felony warrants on the bum's sheet.  
Unless one is able to pay for a bum's entire refurbishing, well, it 
might make one feel better to -- instead -- shred-up the dollar and 
give it to a passing Norway wharf rat for nesting material.

snip

It's a keeper.

lurk
> > 
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?

[Bhairitu]

off_world_beings wrote:
> SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?
>
> Please indicate if you have had some good experiences that appeared 
> to come during, or from, the practice of TM that would indicate to 
> you that it is possible to experience a hightened state of 
> consciousness through TM, or convinced you that such a state exists 
> over and above the normal states commonly experienced previous to 
> your practice. 
>
> Please state your experience in brief in a short paragraph. (We can 
> do a negative experience thing next time, but please stick to 
> positive experiences for the purpose of this survey.) I will post 
> the results in a few days. (if you do not post one, then I will 
> respectfully take your answer to be that you have never experienced 
> anything of that nature described above due to TM.)
>
> Thanks.   
>  Please post here:
>
>
>
> OffWorld
>
>
>   
Sure, I had good experiences from TM.  I began experiencing what MMY 
likes to call CC about a year and a half after starting TM.  But here's 
the catch, I had already been practicing different mantra techniques 
before TM and on my first try at meditating a good 3 1/2 years before TM 
the kudalini rose to the crown chakra.  TM was a stable "official" 
technique I decided to try in 1973.  Of course now I practice advanced 
tantric techniques.  In tantra we don't have "levels."  There is just 
the experience of what would in TM "pure consciousness" which grows in 
intensity with practice.  I think that delineating levels is a problem 
for many TM practitioners and if anything makes people push the carrot 
farther out when they may have already swallowed it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One of the coolest things about growing older is seeing older people
> in a more equal light and younger people in a kinder 
way.snip

Nice reflections dude.  Getting older, and being on the spiritual 
path - it's a pretty cool thing.

lurk
> 
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > And for me. As you might have gathered, even though
> > I don't study with any teacher and am not part of any
> > spiritual organization, I'm still a bit of an enlight-
> > enment freak. And I've found that one of the things
> > that has been the most encouraging to me *as* an 
> > enlightenment freak is this process of viewing the
> > teachers I've worked with as regular guys. I still
> > think that many of them were pretty high dudes, with
> > a great deal going for them. If not fully enlightened, 
> > then at the very least they were enlightened from time 
> > to time. 
> > 
> > And yet, they were *also* regular guys. They had faults,
> > just like mine. They made mistakes, just like I do. They
> > did really stupid shit from time to time, just like I do.
> > And yet they might have been doing all this stupid shit
> > while being enlightened. 
> > 
> > I may be weird, but that just inspires the hell outa me.
> > If these guys could be human and have human faults and,
> > at the same time, be enlightened (or as close to it as 
> > I've ever encountered) then so can I.
> > 
> > Do you stop loving your parents because you grow up
> > and realize that they were human, with human faults 
> > and frailties? Of course not. You love them more. 
> > They're closer to you, down off that pedestal. Same
> > with spiritual teachers, in my opinion.
> 
> This is right on, IMO, particularly the realization of the 
> ordinariness of Realization and how truly inspiring that is.  

Isn't it?

In a way, it's the Great Tantric Breakthrough, 
the understanding that Self Realization, to some
extent, is about becoming comfortable with the self.

If you run around thinking that the self is damaged,
or broken, or less than perfect, or even worse, bad,
then how much of a relationship with Self are you 
ever going to be able to form?

self IS Self.

Enlightenment is all that there has ever been in my
life. During my moments of awakening, I realize that.
During my moments of slumber, I don't. But the magic
of the realization, once one has experienced it, is
that it's really hard to "go back."

Part of you longs to. It wants to write off the 
fleeting enlightenment experiences as aberrations,
or anomalies, possibly the product of some mind-
altering substance or mind-altering guru type. And
that part is *strong*, man. Part of you would *love*
to believe that your fleeting experiences of enlight-
enment were just the result of moodmaking or self
delusion. 

But another part really can't buy that, because it's
been there, done that, and still has the souvenir
T-shirt. And, as far as I can tell, that part always
wins. No matter how much the other "parts" struggle
and try to deny the reality of their always-already-
present enlightenment, the part that's been there,
done that can't struggle too long. How ya gonna keep
'em down on the farm after they've seen Paree, eh?

The ordinariness of realization only becomes a reality
for you when it happens to you, someone who knows just
how ordinary you are. But once that ordinariness has
been revealed to you, it's really tough to go back 
to believing it's extraordinary, and that only a few 
extraordinary individuals on this planet are privy
to it. 


> You really can't go wrong because you are only pretending 
> to be lost and ignorant to begin with.

That's really it. As crazy as it might sound, Self
Realization sometimes comes about as a result of 
trusting the self.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[Sal Sunshine]

In a message dated 4/6/2007 10:43:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




In a message dated 4/6/07 8:36:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

For the first time in nearly two decades of reviewing research on
global warming, the main international group studying climate change
has found that heat-trapping emissions from industry and other
activities are already influencing weather patterns and ecology in
ways both harmful and beneficial.



Assuming this is true for a moment, we, in the United States, could 
stop running our cars, stop generating electricity and shut down all 
of our industries that pollute and probably wouldn't have much effect 
in reversing this trend because if you have ever traveled out side of 
the US to countries like China , India or many other  third world 
countries, you'll find their pollution levels are far worse than ours.


Actually, I'd bet that if you cut down on emissions just from this 
forum alone, MD, that might be enough to offset GW.  What do you think?


These countries have no interest in using higher costing 
technologies to reduce their own pollution levels. They are in the 
market for cheap energy and high productivity. Their governments 
probably don't give a damn about their air quality and the health of 
their people because they also are over populated. I was in India in 
'96 and the pollution levels in Delhi were horrendous. Go to El Paso 
and look at the difference between El Paso and Juarez Mexico, just 
across the river, it's like night and day. I know people that go to 
China and they tell me how awful pollution is there in all  of the 
major cities. The United States and Europe alone can't stop the 
emission of green house gases even if we shut down our economies 
entirely. And the moment we try to impose our "values" on other 
countries


Of course we *never* try to impose our values on any other 
country--hahaha, what a crazy idea.


 that do pollute without any restraint, then we are seen as the big 
bad boogie men suppressing the economic development of poor people. 
So, if indeed mankind is causing Global Warming, which I'm not 
convinced it is at this point, we are all going to have to make the 
same efforts, together. As far as I can tell there is no country in 
the world that does as much to be productive and reduce pollution per 
capita than the United States. Screwing in fluorescent light bulbs and 
driving Hybrids may make you feel good about yourself, but it ain't 
doing much when it comes to offsetting what many more other countries 
are doing or not doing to fix the problem.   


The old, "they get away with it, so we can to," excuse.  Pretty 
pathetic.

[FairfieldLife] Organic milk that isn't

[Alex Stanley]

http://www.newstarget.com/021763.html

"With consumer demand for organic products continuing to grow, more
large corporations are entering the organic market. To maximize
profits, some of these companies don't follow organic standards but
still label products as organic. For example, Horizon Organic and
Aurora Organic, sold by Wal-Mart and other retailers, continue to
produce "organic" milk under factory-farm conditions that few
reasonable people would consider truly organic.

According to the Organic Consumers Association, half of Horizon's
"organic" milk today comes from what can only be considered "factory"
dairy feedlots -- and much of Aurora's organic milk does as well.
Rather than buy organic calves that have been raised from birth on
organic farms, these companies seemed to have discovered it's cheaper
to buy conventional calves that have been raised on conventional
farms, install them in factory feedlots, then milk them and call it
organic.

The situation has become so alarming that the Organic Consumers
Association ultimately called for a boycott, and many knowledgeable
consumers are now avoiding the Horizon brand entirely."

* rest of article at link *

[FairfieldLife] SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?

[off_world_beings]

SURVEY - Who has good experiences from TM?

Please indicate if you have had some good experiences that appeared 
to come during, or from, the practice of TM that would indicate to 
you that it is possible to experience a hightened state of 
consciousness through TM, or convinced you that such a state exists 
over and above the normal states commonly experienced previous to 
your practice. 

Please state your experience in brief in a short paragraph. (We can 
do a negative experience thing next time, but please stick to 
positive experiences for the purpose of this survey.) I will post 
the results in a few days. (if you do not post one, then I will 
respectfully take your answer to be that you have never experienced 
anything of that nature described above due to TM.)

Thanks.   
 Please post here:



OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] "Banned from the Dome"

[Jonathan Chadwick]

Stuck Inside Geodesic Walls
  Sent Inside Forever
Never Seeing No One Nice
  Again Like You
Maha, You!  Maha You!
If I Ever Get Out Of Here
Thought Of Giving It All Away
To A Legitimate Charity
All I Need Is A Fifth A Day
If I Ever Get Out Of Here . . . 

Well, The Rain Exploded
  With A Mighty Crash
  As They Fell Into The Foam
And The First One Said
  To The Second One There
  I Hope You're Having Fun
Banned From the Dome
  Banned From the Dome
>From The Jailer Man
  to Sailor Sam
  They’re Banning Everyone 

For we’re banned from the dome
  banned from the dome
  banned from the dome
  banned from the dome

Well The Course Administrator
  Drew A Heavy Sigh
  Seeing No One Else Had Come
And A Bell Was Ringing
  In The Village Square
  For The Unrecerts on the run
Banned From the dome
  Banned From the Dome
>From The Jailer Man
  to Sailor Sam
  they’re banning everyone

For we’re banned from the dome
  banned from the dome
  banned from the dome
  banned from the dome

Well The Night Was Falling
  As The Hoglot began To Settle Down
In The Town They're Searching
  For Us EveryWhere
  but We Never Will Be Found 
Banned from the dome
  banned from the dome

And The Course Adminstrator
  who held a grudge
Will search for evermore
For we’re banned from the dome
  banned from the dome
  banned from the dome
  banned from the dome

 
-
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[Vaj]

On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:26 PM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

An
> indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the
> group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that
> are characteristic of a troll attack."

Just for fun--since I suspect Vaj is hoping to
mislead readers to think the above applies to
me--here's Rick Archer, in response to one of
my early posts to FFL:

> > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to
> > see why you have earned the reputation of stridently
> > defending TM against any and all criticism.
> > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/)



Interesting you felt it was about you.

That speaks volumes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[TurquoiseB]

Very nice. That's it, exactly. 

I cut the Maharishis and the Ramas of my life no more 
slack than I cut the too-long-on-the-street bums of 
my life. And I try to give them no less compassion, 
and no more. 

If there is any "pinch" in my heart when I think of
any of them, it's for the concept of "wasted potential,"
what they did with their lives as opposed to what they
might have done with them. But then I look at my life, 
and I sigh, and I relax. They did what they did with
their lives, and I have done with mine what I have 
done with it. There is no "second guessing" their 
lives, or mine. They are what they are. 

I may have preferences as to who I'd rather go out 
drinking and carousing with on a Friday night, but 
that's all they are, momentary preferences of a 
momentary self. All are welcome at my table, and I'd 
drink from the same passed bottle from any of them 
without wiping the rim first.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This thread's recent posts have touched upon a very deep wisdom -- 
> one that I appreciate as a most pleasing spiritual personality 
> dynamic -- it's living one's life as if something sacred resides 
> inside everyone/everything.
> 
> We know the story of the dead dog's white teeth.  
> 
> But, I have to confess.  A living breathing human being with a two
> pound on-board computer brain that can resonate with the entire
> universe can be dismissed by me as worthless, stripped of any
> meaningful status, and completely discounted because of my 
> indulgence in my own prejudices. 
> 
> And not just me, right?  We all do it folks.  But I forgive me-us.  
> 
> I mean, really.  Judgmentalism has its place!  
> 
> Who can listen to Donald Trump talk about any subject with that
> hairstyle of his?  I'd rather talk to Someone with a cobra draped
> around His neck.  Really!  If one has to be distracted during a
> conversation, geeze, at least let it be by IMPENDING DEATH and not an
> off-centered pelt that a good veterinarian could resuscitate. It's
> easy to see ourselves being parochial and having thoughts about others
> that are not sweet, not true, and not necessary for us to "abide
> with."  We know the drill.  But, we all know how we love to jam a
> projection of our personal dynamics into any summing up of another's
> "style."  We all know how one can become so immediately convinced
> about one's superiority over another.
> 
> Easy to disconnect.
> 
> Yet, most of us believe that each spark of sentience -- even when but
> dimly seen in another person -- is divine.  But if we purposely refuse
> to see the sacred when it's disguised in an unpleasant garb, it's
> hypocrisy -- plain and simple.  But it can be so hard to have
> integrity and act upon one's philosophical morals -- who amongst us
> will toss a buck to "God" when he's disguised as a urine soaked bum on
> the street corner screaming at invisible entities?
> 
> It's one thing to be a good Samaritan, but, hey, we all know that the
> typical bum on the street needs $25,000 in dental work alone, and
> it'll take at least 200 hours of Dr. Phil one-on-one-ing to even begin
> to fix the bum's messed up personality patterns, and probably there's
> a dozen outstanding felony warrants on the bum's sheet.  Unless one is
> able to pay for a bum's entire refurbishing, well, it might make one
> feel better to -- instead -- shred-up the dollar and give it to a
> passing Norway wharf rat for nesting material.
> 
> But, no, not that.  Samaritanism is not the wisdom I've read here
> lately.  
> 
> It's not about whether Maharishi can resonate with the masses.  It's
> about if one can actually revere each moment -- no matter if one is in
> a cave, conundrum or conniption.  
> 
> Or cult.
> 
> I remember Be Here Now where there's this wonderful drawing of Christ
> on the cross watching the spike being hammered into His hands.  Ram
> Dass notes the utter compassion Christ felt for the executioners'
souls.  
> 
> Now that's clarity about another's viewpoint, eh?  
> 
> That's what I'm reading here recently.
> 
> It's not about pity for the other guy's imprisonment within a
> personality's limitations.  It's not about sighing deeply.
> 
> It's about being thrilled with each and every person's viewpoint --
> like it was a 40 caret diamond just found laying on the ground.  It's
> about seeing how God solves each moment's needs -- mows into the
angst.  
> 
> God takes on the impossible.  For fun.  
> 
> Strike that.  
> 
> God TOKES on the impossible.  For fun.
> 
> That's what I've read here in the most recent posts of Turq and
Curtis.  
> 
> It's about Buddha meeting Buddha.
> 
> And so, is not Maharishi also to be included in this spiritual
> amnesty?  Can't we toss a buck to him?
> 
> Maybe Maharishi needs a lot of dental work before we'd invite him to
> one of our penthouse brunch soirees, but I for one am thrilled that he
> was able to put spirituality on the front burners of so many minds 

[FairfieldLife] To Gullible Fool and Boo Lives / ...was-Discussion with Judy

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Although I cannot remember the precise wording, in a pamphlet 
that was
> > given out freely at the combined SIMS-SRM center on the upper 
west
> > side of Manhattan in the late 1960s, we used to hand out a one 
page
> > three column pamphlet, yellow or green in color, run off at a 
local
> > copy shop, that clearly outlined CC in 5 years, then GC and UC (I
> > don't remember how long for GC and UC but not long) within a few 
years
> > after that. I took many of my friends to hear intro lectures at 
that
> > center, read that handout many times, and was planning reaching 
CC by
> > the time I was done with college then GC and UC by the time I 
was done
> > with graduate school. 
> > 
> > The various lecturers who use to give the intros at that center 
(I
> > think on W. 78th Street) would make reference to the handout 
given out
> > as people came to hear the lectures. 
> > 
> > Also, very often at advanced lectures at the same center, 
reference
> > was made to 5 years for CC, one to two years more for GC and 
then just
> > a bit more for UC. 
> > 
> > Richard W. may not have seen this handout on the West Coast but 
I sure
> > saw it and often in NYC.
> > 
> > Kenny Hassman
> >
> I never saw any handouts promising CC in 5 yrs but I wasn't around 
in
> the 60s.  IN the 70s it was a common understanding among 
initiators at
> the centers that 5-7 yrs was the timeframe for CC and that clearly
> came from earlier MMY lectures.  I think the main pt here isn't 
what
> was or wasn't in handouts, but centers on the tmo's use of promises
> over the yrs.  AFter CC didn't come after 5-10 yrs, then the sidhis
> came out and CC faded away.  I was on a few governor courses then 
in
> which MMY sent a message at the beginning saying he fully expected 
us
> to be hovering by the end of the course.  Then noone hovered after
> many many years and the whole focus shifted to Kaivalya and then 
the
> maharishi effect and world peace and utopia in fairfield.  Now that
> that hasn't happened the current course is focused on certain 
types of
> experiences involving manifestation or something.  After awhile
> that'll fade and some new thing will emerge.  I don't see why 
someone
> doesn't ask MMY on the phone calls in the domes whatever happened 
to
> all the earlier promises like CC?>>

To Gullible Fool, Rich WIlliams, and Boo Lives, and others:

But a lot of people do claim to be in 24 hours bliss, or close 
enough to that amount, and that is the same concept as 24 hours 
witnessing - ie . CC. When Maharishi asks this question about 
experiences, many people answer in the affirmative and a few other 
sheep put up their hands just because they think its funny or 
something (they often seem to be laughing with a cheesy grin on 
their face as if to say: "I'm putting my hand up even though its not 
true, because Maharishi must want me to lie"). So Maharishi gets the 
answers in the affirmative pretty much, and he is so gung-ho for his 
program that even if only a few answered "yes" he would say, "Almost 
everyone" anyway.

 I am in a subtle state of bliss maybe 40-50% of the time, and I 
know credible friends who have a sense of a subtle state of bliss 
all the time. So that means they are experiencing a state in which 
stress is more "like a line drawn in sand" (as Maharishi puts it for 
CC ), and I am experiencing that less than half of that time. I 
often experience bliss during sleep for many hours, and am often 
surprised when I wake up in the morning feeling unenlightened (oh 
well...some experience is good enough).

Therefore, it is not necessarily true that people are not in CC or 
at least some level of that (although the benchmark for CC is that 
it is unshakable, permanent, but that doesn't mean that one can't 
have temporary experiences of that state, ahead of that permanance, 
which may be the cause of many of the reports by people while they 
are immersed in WPA's etc.

What do you guys think? Have you never had any good experiences from 
TM, that indicate a higher state of consciousness is possible for 
you through TM?

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[Lsoma]

 
In a message dated 4/6/2007 10:43:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/6/07 8:36:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a message 

For  the first time in nearly two decades of reviewing research on
global  warming, the main international group studying climate change
has found  that heat-trapping emissions from industry and other
activities are  already influencing weather patterns and ecology in
ways both harmful and  beneficial.



Assuming this is true for a moment, we, in the United States, could stop  
running our cars, stop generating electricity and shut down all of our  
industries that pollute and probably wouldn't have much effect in reversing  
this trend 
because if you have ever traveled out side of the US to countries  like China 
, India or many other  third world countries, you'll find  their pollution 
levels are far worse than ours. These countries have no  interest in using 
higher costing technologies to reduce their own  pollution levels. They are in 
the 
market for cheap energy and high  productivity. Their governments probably 
don't give a damn about their air  quality and the health of their people 
because 
they also are over populated. I  was in India in '96 and the pollution levels 
in Delhi were horrendous. Go to  El Paso and look at the difference between 
El Paso and Juarez Mexico, just  across the river, it's like night and day. I 
know people that go to China and  they tell me how awful pollution is there in 
all  of the major cities.  The United States and Europe alone can't stop the 
emission of green house  gases even if we shut down our economies entirely. And 
the moment we try  to impose our "values" on other countries that do pollute 
without any  restraint, then we are seen as the big bad boogie men suppressing 
the  economic development of poor people. So, if indeed mankind is causing 
Global  Warming, which I'm not convinced it is at this point, we are all going 
to have  to make the same efforts, together. As far as I can tell there is no 
country  in the world that does as much to be productive and reduce pollution 
per  capita than the United States. Screwing in fluorescent light bulbs and 
driving  Hybrids may make you feel good about yourself, but it ain't doing much 
when it  comes to offsetting what many more other countries are doing or not 
doing to  fix the problem.   



 

 See what's free at _AOL.com_ (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503) 
. 

 


>This is some of the most common sense information on the problem with  world 
pollution I have ever read.
Thank you for the heads up on including the collective effort worldwide as  a 
way to solve the environmental problems of the world. It is amazing how much  
attention we give to Indian masters when it comes to the word 
"Enlightenment".  But when you look closely you see that their are problems 
such as the  
environment that are so out of control in India and wonder why it has never 
been  
addressed by the great masters who lack a good dental plan.
 
Yet many overpopulated countries continue to have children like their  
growing cotton candy. It seems that some simple common sense would go a long  
way. 
This is something that the country of India has been lazy about. To take  care 
of mother earth and the air we breath is taking care of our need to  survive. 
America is the country to lead the world by example. We are not good at  
leaving everyone else alone to make karmic adjustments to learn the lessons 
they  
need to learn and America is not perfect but we are not lazy and we have common 
 sense rules and regulations for clean water, sewage systems and energy 
efficent  heating. We have put more attention on recycling also over the last 
10 
years. 
 
I remember thinking of going to India last year and looking up a trip to  
India that encouraged travelers to carry good quality toilet paper with them. I 
 
asked myself " Why would I go to a country that cannot provide good quality  
toilet paper?.  Maybe they don't know how to call a manufacturing company  in 
America and purchase toilet paper for their people?
 
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to India since I am a practicing Hindu  
but what I notice form the unenlightened to the supposedly enlightened is the  
Hindu's who feel so proud to carry their pain of Kali Yuga
around there neck as if suffering is something to be proud of. Reminds of  
Catholics who love to carry the cross and guilt of Christ. The rehabilitation 
of 
 India is a major undertaking. China has its own problems also with 
environmental  issues but the people are more aggressive and the rehabilitation 
is not 
as  great. Plus they have more breathing space because the geographical area 
is much  larger in size than India. But they are main contributors of the 
environmental  issues of clean air worlwide.
 
It will take help from other countries to clean up I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[curtisdeltablues]

There were so many moments of really entertaining brilliance in this
post.  High five for that.

Although I don't share your views on the value of what MMY brought to
the world, I sure can appreciate your take on him.  He will remain a
fascinating character in my life's drama that is for sure.

I dig your line about Buddha meeting Buddha.  I don't tend to view
myself that way, but if someone posts up with a Buddha name tag, I'm
putting mine on too since I look everyone directly in the eye.

It is interesting to see you including MMY and The Donald in the same
post since I view them as much more similar than different in
personality type/disorder.  I have learned some valuable things from
both of them.

I am really glad you are taking the time to post here.  That was a
great ride!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This thread's recent posts have touched upon a very deep wisdom -- one
> that I appreciate as a most pleasing spiritual personality dynamic --
> it's living one's life as if something sacred resides inside
> everyone/everything.
> 
> We know the story of the dead dog's white teeth.  
> 
> But, I have to confess.  A living breathing human being with a two
> pound on-board computer brain that can resonate with the entire
> universe can be dismissed by me as worthless, stripped of any
> meaningful status, and completely discounted because of my indulgence
> in my own prejudices. 
> 
> And not just me, right?  We all do it folks.  But I forgive me-us.  
> 
> I mean, really.  Judgmentalism has its place!  
> 
> Who can listen to Donald Trump talk about any subject with that
> hairstyle of his?  I'd rather talk to Someone with a cobra draped
> around His neck.  Really!  If one has to be distracted during a
> conversation, geeze, at least let it be by IMPENDING DEATH and not an
> off-centered pelt that a good veterinarian could resuscitate. It's
> easy to see ourselves being parochial and having thoughts about others
> that are not sweet, not true, and not necessary for us to "abide
> with."  We know the drill.  But, we all know how we love to jam a
> projection of our personal dynamics into any summing up of another's
> "style."  We all know how one can become so immediately convinced
> about one's superiority over another.
> 
> Easy to disconnect.
> 
> Yet, most of us believe that each spark of sentience -- even when but
> dimly seen in another person -- is divine.  But if we purposely refuse
> to see the sacred when it's disguised in an unpleasant garb, it's
> hypocrisy -- plain and simple.  But it can be so hard to have
> integrity and act upon one's philosophical morals -- who amongst us
> will toss a buck to "God" when he's disguised as a urine soaked bum on
> the street corner screaming at invisible entities?
> 
> It's one thing to be a good Samaritan, but, hey, we all know that the
> typical bum on the street needs $25,000 in dental work alone, and
> it'll take at least 200 hours of Dr. Phil one-on-one-ing to even begin
> to fix the bum's messed up personality patterns, and probably there's
> a dozen outstanding felony warrants on the bum's sheet.  Unless one is
> able to pay for a bum's entire refurbishing, well, it might make one
> feel better to -- instead -- shred-up the dollar and give it to a
> passing Norway wharf rat for nesting material.
> 
> But, no, not that.  Samaritanism is not the wisdom I've read here
> lately.  
> 
> It's not about whether Maharishi can resonate with the masses.  It's
> about if one can actually revere each moment -- no matter if one is in
> a cave, conundrum or conniption.  
> 
> Or cult.
> 
> I remember Be Here Now where there's this wonderful drawing of Christ
> on the cross watching the spike being hammered into His hands.  Ram
> Dass notes the utter compassion Christ felt for the executioners'
souls.  
> 
> Now that's clarity about another's viewpoint, eh?  
> 
> That's what I'm reading here recently.
> 
> It's not about pity for the other guy's imprisonment within a
> personality's limitations.  It's not about sighing deeply.
> 
> It's about being thrilled with each and every person's viewpoint --
> like it was a 40 caret diamond just found laying on the ground.  It's
> about seeing how God solves each moment's needs -- mows into the
angst.  
> 
> God takes on the impossible.  For fun.  
> 
> Strike that.  
> 
> God TOKES on the impossible.  For fun.
> 
> That's what I've read here in the most recent posts of Turq and
Curtis.  
> 
> It's about Buddha meeting Buddha.
> 
> And so, is not Maharishi also to be included in this spiritual
> amnesty?  Can't we toss a buck to him?
> 
> Maybe Maharishi needs a lot of dental work before we'd invite him to
> one of our penthouse brunch soirees, but I for one am thrilled that he
> was able to put spirituality on the front burners of so many minds in
> the world.  His mistakes are jarring, but no more jarring than when
> one looks in a mirror, right?  I've certainly sinned 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of authfriend
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Vaj  wrote:
> 
> An 
> > indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with 
the 
> > group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack 
that 
> > are characteristic of a troll attack."
> 
> Just for fun--since I suspect Vaj is hoping to
> mislead readers to think the above applies to
> me--here's Rick Archer, in response to one of
> my early posts to FFL:
> 
> > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to
> > > see why you have earned the reputation of stridently
> > > defending TM against any and all criticism.
> 
> I still feel that way. You strike me as quite objective and 
balanced in your
> opinions about TM and other topics. What I do object to is your 
tendency to
> be so argumentative, always feeling that you have to set the record 
straight
> and perceiving that others are distorting and misrepresenting 
things. For
> instance, look at what you're tempted to write (and probably will 
write) in
> response to what I just said.

I've said my piece on this topic, Rick.  I wasn't
addressing you here.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

An 
> indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the 
> group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that 
> are characteristic of a troll attack."

Just for fun--since I suspect Vaj is hoping to
mislead readers to think the above applies to
me--here's Rick Archer, in response to one of
my early posts to FFL:

> > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to
> > see why you have earned the reputation of stridently
> > defending TM against any and all criticism.

I still feel that way. You strike me as quite objective and balanced in your
opinions about TM and other topics. What I do object to is your tendency to
be so argumentative, always feeling that you have to set the record straight
and perceiving that others are distorting and misrepresenting things. For
instance, look at what you're tempted to write (and probably will write) in
response to what I just said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[Duveyoung]

This thread's recent posts have touched upon a very deep wisdom -- one
that I appreciate as a most pleasing spiritual personality dynamic --
it's living one's life as if something sacred resides inside
everyone/everything.

We know the story of the dead dog's white teeth.  

But, I have to confess.  A living breathing human being with a two
pound on-board computer brain that can resonate with the entire
universe can be dismissed by me as worthless, stripped of any
meaningful status, and completely discounted because of my indulgence
in my own prejudices. 

And not just me, right?  We all do it folks.  But I forgive me-us.  

I mean, really.  Judgmentalism has its place!  

Who can listen to Donald Trump talk about any subject with that
hairstyle of his?  I'd rather talk to Someone with a cobra draped
around His neck.  Really!  If one has to be distracted during a
conversation, geeze, at least let it be by IMPENDING DEATH and not an
off-centered pelt that a good veterinarian could resuscitate. It's
easy to see ourselves being parochial and having thoughts about others
that are not sweet, not true, and not necessary for us to "abide
with."  We know the drill.  But, we all know how we love to jam a
projection of our personal dynamics into any summing up of another's
"style."  We all know how one can become so immediately convinced
about one's superiority over another.

Easy to disconnect.

Yet, most of us believe that each spark of sentience -- even when but
dimly seen in another person -- is divine.  But if we purposely refuse
to see the sacred when it's disguised in an unpleasant garb, it's
hypocrisy -- plain and simple.  But it can be so hard to have
integrity and act upon one's philosophical morals -- who amongst us
will toss a buck to "God" when he's disguised as a urine soaked bum on
the street corner screaming at invisible entities?

It's one thing to be a good Samaritan, but, hey, we all know that the
typical bum on the street needs $25,000 in dental work alone, and
it'll take at least 200 hours of Dr. Phil one-on-one-ing to even begin
to fix the bum's messed up personality patterns, and probably there's
a dozen outstanding felony warrants on the bum's sheet.  Unless one is
able to pay for a bum's entire refurbishing, well, it might make one
feel better to -- instead -- shred-up the dollar and give it to a
passing Norway wharf rat for nesting material.

But, no, not that.  Samaritanism is not the wisdom I've read here
lately.  

It's not about whether Maharishi can resonate with the masses.  It's
about if one can actually revere each moment -- no matter if one is in
a cave, conundrum or conniption.  

Or cult.

I remember Be Here Now where there's this wonderful drawing of Christ
on the cross watching the spike being hammered into His hands.  Ram
Dass notes the utter compassion Christ felt for the executioners' souls.  

Now that's clarity about another's viewpoint, eh?  

That's what I'm reading here recently.

It's not about pity for the other guy's imprisonment within a
personality's limitations.  It's not about sighing deeply.

It's about being thrilled with each and every person's viewpoint --
like it was a 40 caret diamond just found laying on the ground.  It's
about seeing how God solves each moment's needs -- mows into the angst.  

God takes on the impossible.  For fun.  

Strike that.  

God TOKES on the impossible.  For fun.

That's what I've read here in the most recent posts of Turq and Curtis.  

It's about Buddha meeting Buddha.

And so, is not Maharishi also to be included in this spiritual
amnesty?  Can't we toss a buck to him?

Maybe Maharishi needs a lot of dental work before we'd invite him to
one of our penthouse brunch soirees, but I for one am thrilled that he
was able to put spirituality on the front burners of so many minds in
the world.  His mistakes are jarring, but no more jarring than when
one looks in a mirror, right?  I've certainly sinned far more
egregiously than anything I've heard about Maharishi -- if not in
degree, then most assuredly in kind.  

Of the millions upon millions who were moved just a titch forwards --
of the millions who entertained however briefly the concept of
"spirit" -- how many of them moved on to commitments in other cults,
philosophies, passions?  How many of them, after starting the slide up
the slippery sloping of Jacob's ladder, have found the very peace the
TM literature speaks of?

Let's see, that would be several million points scored by Maharishi,
right?  

I'd sure be proud of myself if I had pulled that one off, in fact, I
WAS proud of myself for initiating a mere smattering of people when
Merv Griffin was herding them into our centers.  It's one thing to
stand on your feet all Saturday and initiate 30 people, and it's
another to sit on your ass all day for A LIFETIME and talk about the
pinky petals.

A few rolls in the hay, shunting hundreds of millions of dollars into
his family coffers, and having smarmy zombies as his movement hen

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[Marek Reavis]

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
**snip**

> And for me. As you might have gathered, even though
> I don't study with any teacher and am not part of any
> spiritual organization, I'm still a bit of an enlight-
> enment freak. And I've found that one of the things
> that has been the most encouraging to me *as* an 
> enlightenment freak is this process of viewing the
> teachers I've worked with as regular guys. I still
> think that many of them were pretty high dudes, with
> a great deal going for them. If not fully enlightened, 
> then at the very least they were enlightened from time 
> to time. 
> 
> And yet, they were *also* regular guys. They had faults,
> just like mine. They made mistakes, just like I do. They
> did really stupid shit from time to time, just like I do.
> And yet they might have been doing all this stupid shit
> while being enlightened. 
> 
> I may be weird, but that just inspires the hell outa me.
> If these guys could be human and have human faults and,
> at the same time, be enlightened (or as close to it as 
> I've ever encountered) then so can I.
> 
> Do you stop loving your parents because you grow up
> and realize that they were human, with human faults 
> and frailties? Of course not. You love them more. 
> They're closer to you, down off that pedestal. Same
> with spiritual teachers, in my opinion.
>
**end**

This is right on, IMO, particularly the realization of the 
ordinariness of Realization and how truly inspiring that is.  It 
feels great to be free of a belief system that divides the world into 
one thing and the other; with the enlightened few on the mountaintop 
and the ignorant masses in the mud; with "our" spiritual movement 
providing world peace and "their" spirtual movement leading everyone 
astray.

I've no quarrel with anyone pursuing the path (or the person) to whom 
they are attracted; that's just natural affinity.  And I can 
understand and accept that someone might sorta like and sorta dislike 
certain things about this person or that movement or this teaching or 
that technique.  It's all stylistic and not substance.  And what one 
has affinity for changes over time; at least it has for me.

One thing that always stuck with me was something that Ram Das wrote 
in "More Grist For The Mill" which I can only paraphrase here: "trust 
yourself to make the necessary mistakes in your life."  You really 
can't go wrong because you are only pretending to be lost and 
ignorant to begin with.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Willytex (or the person who uses that screen name) reminds me of 
Narada 
> in the Puranas who goes about creating dissension and quarrels -- a 
> full-time trickster and freelance gadfly who gets off on stirring up 
> trouble.  Another way to be.
> 
> **
> 

In my book, Richard is a bit like Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle
transposed(?) onto (or, whatever preposition) Newtonian scale.
I guess that makes no sense, but then again, who cares...?  :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[Marek Reavis]

Willytex (or the person who uses that screen name) reminds me of Narada 
in the Puranas who goes about creating dissension and quarrels -- a 
full-time trickster and freelance gadfly who gets off on stirring up 
trouble.  Another way to be.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> >
> > And what is the official definition of a Troll, in `Net parlance?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

An  
> indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the  
> group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that  
> are characteristic of a troll attack."

Just for fun--since I suspect Vaj is hoping to
mislead readers to think the above applies to
me--here's Rick Archer, in response to one of
my early posts to FFL:

> > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to
> > see why you have earned the reputation of stridently
> > defending TM against any and all criticism.
> > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[Vaj]

On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Vaj wrote:



On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote:



And what is the official definition of a Troll, in ‘Net parlance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29


"The general element, that determines whether a malicious user is a  
troll or not, is the level of indignant emotions present in the  
person, coupled with the person's history with the forum or group. An  
indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the  
group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that  
are characteristic of a troll attack."


indignant |inˈdignənt| |1nˌdɪgnənt| |ɪnˌdɪgnənt|
adjective
feeling or showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair  
treatment : he was indignant at being the object of suspicion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[new . morning]

You are correct that any "solution" needs to be global. China will
soon pass the US as worlds largest CO2 producer. I believe that trade
with China and India will require CO2 limits as the various cap and
trade legislations being introduced take hold (Boxer/Sander bill for
one). [That is place a cap for each producer on CO2, and trade co2
credits that overproducers can buy and underproducers can sell. Such a
system drove the price of sulpher air pollution reduction way down to
unpredictedly low levels.]

Electric power genertation  produces 40% of US CO2, and transportation
producing another 30% in US. Sequestration of CO2 at electric
generation sites is a long run solution. But it is problematic.
Sequestering CO2 is demonstrated and feasible for NEW coal plants (50%
of generation use coal). Older plants can't be retrofited. And costs
are high now, 3-4 cents/kwh, but are predicted to be 1/10 of that as
technology and experience improves. 

And a second generation of lower cost PV solar cells is predicted, as
is improved wind generation. Both are supplements but not replacements
for baseloaded electric plants that can run up to 24/7 to follow
demand. And energy efficiency technology is always providing
significant ways to reduce energy consumption while providing the same
level of "service".

Thus, in concept, CO2 could be significantly reduced world wide with:

1) huge capital investment to transform the electric generation
industry, converting to new generation of CO2 sequestering generation
plants, 

2) greatly expanding solar, wind and energy-efficiency, 

3) transforming transportation to electric-based (from CO2 sequestered
generation). 

4) Negotiate China and India etc into the plan via trade pressure and
supplemental funding from the West. 

5) And a robust and well monitored CO2 credits trading system could
drive down the price of CO2 reduction to unexpected new levels. 

Still, if we stopped ALL Co2 today, it looks like a lot of global
warming damage will still be done. And if if we continue as is, 25% of
species could disappear in 100 years! And coastal areas could be
severaly damaged. That would make the social, economic and ecosystems
so much more fragile, that could trigger all sorts of negative
impacts. Its a somber picture. 

Its a set of hard choices.

Unless ... ME has a big cooling effect.







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 4/6/07 8:36:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> For the  first time in nearly two decades of reviewing research on
> global warming,  the main international group studying climate change
> has found that  heat-trapping emissions from industry and other
> activities are already  influencing weather patterns and ecology in
> ways both harmful and  beneficial.
> 
> 
> 
> Assuming this is true for a moment, we, in the United States, could
stop  
> running our cars, stop generating electricity and shut down all of our  
> industries that pollute and probably wouldn't have much effect in
reversing this  trend 
> because if you have ever traveled out side of the US to countries
like  China 
> , India or many other  third world countries, you'll find their 
pollution 
> levels are far worse than ours. These countries have no interest in
 using 
> higher costing technologies to reduce their own pollution levels. 
They are in the 
> market for cheap energy and high productivity. Their governments 
probably 
> don't give a damn about their air quality and the health of their 
people because 
> they also are over populated. I was in India in '96 and the 
pollution levels 
> in Delhi were horrendous. Go to El Paso and look at the  difference
between 
> El Paso and Juarez Mexico, just across the river, it's like  night
and day. I 
> know people that go to China and they tell me how awful  pollution
is there in 
> all  of the major cities. The United States and  Europe alone can't
stop the 
> emission of green house gases even if we shut  down our economies
entirely. And 
> the moment we try to impose our "values" on  other countries that do
pollute 
> without any restraint, then we are seen as the  big bad boogie men
suppressing 
> the economic development of poor people. So,  if indeed mankind is
causing 
> Global Warming, which I'm not convinced it is at  this point, we are
all going 
> to have to make the same efforts, together. As far  as I can tell
there is no 
> country in the world that does as much to be  productive and reduce
pollution 
> per capita than the United States. Screwing in  fluorescent light
bulbs and 
> driving Hybrids may make you feel good about  yourself, but it ain't
doing much 
> when it comes to offsetting what many more  other countries are
doing or not 
> doing to fix the problem.   
> 
> 
> 
> ** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.
>

[FairfieldLife] How Spiritual Will eviscerates the essence of the evil samskaras..

[BillyG.]

As man has freewill, once he harnesses it effectively by dynamic 
meditation (TM) the arrow of self discipline finally reaches it mark. 
Once the *command* is given by such a one the outcome is inevitable, 
and moral mastery is established, though the remnants of the samskaras 
(memories of past evil actions) are still lurking in the subconscious 
(only finally removed by Samadhi) their vital essence is reclaimed by 
the aspirant who reestablishes his *self* control, their will is now 
his will

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Although I cannot remember the precise wording, in a pamphlet that was
> given out freely at the combined SIMS-SRM center on the upper west
> side of Manhattan in the late 1960s, we used to hand out a one page
> three column pamphlet, yellow or green in color, run off at a local
> copy shop, that clearly outlined CC in 5 years, then GC and UC (I
> don't remember how long for GC and UC but not long) within a few years
> after that. I took many of my friends to hear intro lectures at that
> center, read that handout many times, and was planning reaching CC by
> the time I was done with college then GC and UC by the time I was done
> with graduate school. 
> 
> The various lecturers who use to give the intros at that center (I
> think on W. 78th Street) would make reference to the handout given out
> as people came to hear the lectures. 
> 
> Also, very often at advanced lectures at the same center, reference
> was made to 5 years for CC, one to two years more for GC and then just
> a bit more for UC. 
> 
> Richard W. may not have seen this handout on the West Coast but I sure
> saw it and often in NYC.
> 
> Kenny Hassman
>
I never saw any handouts promising CC in 5 yrs but I wasn't around in
the 60s.  IN the 70s it was a common understanding among initiators at
the centers that 5-7 yrs was the timeframe for CC and that clearly
came from earlier MMY lectures.  I think the main pt here isn't what
was or wasn't in handouts, but centers on the tmo's use of promises
over the yrs.  AFter CC didn't come after 5-10 yrs, then the sidhis
came out and CC faded away.  I was on a few governor courses then in
which MMY sent a message at the beginning saying he fully expected us
to be hovering by the end of the course.  Then noone hovered after
many many years and the whole focus shifted to Kaivalya and then the
maharishi effect and world peace and utopia in fairfield.  Now that
that hasn't happened the current course is focused on certain types of
experiences involving manifestation or something.  After awhile
that'll fade and some new thing will emerge.  I don't see why someone
doesn't ask MMY on the phone calls in the domes whatever happened to
all the earlier promises like CC?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And what is the official definition of a Troll, in 
> 'Net parlance?

http://www.members.aol.com/tantricone/share/trolls.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One of the coolest things about growing older is seeing older 
> people in a more equal light and younger people in a kinder way.

Tell me about it. It's just a gas. 

And one of the coolest things I've found is when you
can find groups of widely mixed ages, and groove with
them *all*. This Sunday (Easter), I'm hosting a dinner
for a few friends. There'll be Aline (my age) and Robert
(older than I am by a few years) and their daughter 
Sophie (20 or so). Another guest will be an Englishman
(50-ish) who has lived all over the world but who has 
lived in this particular village for several years. He's 
a musician who plays piano and sings and produces CDs 
of classic 30s and 40s music. The other guest besides
me (older than dirt but still young at heart) will be 
my best friend and former girlfriend Laurel (20 years 
younger than I am).

It'll be just a *smashing* dinner conversation. Laurel
and Tony are the makings of a fine conversation anytime.
And, as you might imagine from their largely autobiograph-
ical art, Robert and Aline Crumb are just a trip. Start
a topic about almost anything, and they've been there,
done that (in the good sense of this, not in any kind 
of superior way), and have a funny story to tell about
it. But Sophie is, in her way, almost more of a trip. 
She inherited her parents' talent and their brilliance, 
and a lot of their fuck-the-establishment-I'm-going-to-
do-it-my-way genes, but she came with genes of her own, 
and she looks real good in those genes. Slim, dark-haired, 
covered with tattoos, she's comfortable in almost any 
situation and can hold her own in almost every conver-
sation. And she's twenty. Go figure. Oh, that I had 
been half that self aware and self possessed when I 
was her age. 

Instead, I got into TM. :-)


> Looking at saints like MMY and Guru Dev in a human way, 
> judging their actions as if they were just folks like 
> you and I (imagine that!) 

Imagine that. Many still can't. And, as you say below,
it's so liberating when you do. 

> ...can seem at first like someone is "bashing" them. For 
> people who value them in a role where they need to show up 
> as special, this is offensive and there is no getting around 
> that. I remember how offended I was when my father looked at 
> a picture of MMY on his silk couch surrounded by flowers and 
> announced that he looked like an "upright corpse at his own 
> funeral".  It took me decades to laugh at his hilarious 
> perception that is actually visually spot on. But assuming 
> that another person is another fallible human is our right 
> as humans. It can be liberating if there was a time when 
> you viewed a person as greater than human. At least it 
> was for me. 

And for me. As you might have gathered, even though
I don't study with any teacher and am not part of any
spiritual organization, I'm still a bit of an enlight-
enment freak. And I've found that one of the things
that has been the most encouraging to me *as* an 
enlightenment freak is this process of viewing the
teachers I've worked with as regular guys. I still
think that many of them were pretty high dudes, with
a great deal going for them. If not fully enlightened, 
then at the very least they were enlightened from time 
to time. 

And yet, they were *also* regular guys. They had faults,
just like mine. They made mistakes, just like I do. They
did really stupid shit from time to time, just like I do.
And yet they might have been doing all this stupid shit
while being enlightened. 

I may be weird, but that just inspires the hell outa me.
If these guys could be human and have human faults and,
at the same time, be enlightened (or as close to it as 
I've ever encountered) then so can I.

Do you stop loving your parents because you grow up
and realize that they were human, with human faults 
and frailties? Of course not. You love them more. 
They're closer to you, down off that pedestal. Same
with spiritual teachers, in my opinion. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of authfriend
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:32 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>   
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> > On Behalf Of geezerfreak
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:17 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  
> >  , "Richard J. Williams"
> >  wrote:
> > >> 
> > > Maharishi and Jerry at U.C. Berkely:
> > > 
> > > http://www.geocities.com/willytex/images/maharishi.jpg
> > >
> > Do you think you're funny Tex? You aren't. Just boring, in a mind
> > damaged kind of way.
> > 
> > Is that it? He thinks he's being funny? Or is he crazy?
> > Or just trying to vandalize the forum by engaging in
> > disingenuous banter?
> 
> He's a TROLL, folks, the genuine article. He's
> been doing this for years on alt.m.t. I've never
> known him to engage in normal conversation.
> 
> And what is the official definition of a Troll, in 'Net parlance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

His primary trolling technique is to make posts
that thoroughly confuse the issues being discussed,
including via entirely false and/or nonsensical
statements, in order to entice others to attempt to
straighten out the mess. He responds by compounding
the confusion, and if the person he's talking to
takes the bait and tries to straighten things out
again, he compounds the confusion still further.

Such an exchange ends only when he gets bored, or
the other person gives up.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  
wrote:
> >
> > This whole commentary is on the level of logic and thinking 
> > and even though it has a value, it is just not expansive 
> > enough to evaluate Maharishi's work and destiny. 
> 
> I disagree, having...uh...written it. :-) That whole
> rap was about commenting on Maharishi *as a human
> being*, a man, a regular guy, *not* a "god man" or
> anything so high-falutin'. I think it's important
> to do that periodically with human beings that many
> others have placed up on pedestals, in a position in
> which these individuals are considered "beyond" being
> evaluated in the same way we'd evaluate anyone else 
> we ran into.

Actually, you aren't disagreeing, unless you're
claiming that evaluating MMY's human qualities
is the *only* evaluation that has any value.

> Bottom line for me is that Maharishi has done one
> major "nice thing" for the people of planet Earth.
> He invented a simple, useful, easily-learned tech-
> nique of meditation that was available at low
> cost -- both in terms of actual cash and the 
> "buy-in" one had to make in terms of belief. 
> 
> And then he took that gift and raised its price
> until it was unavailable, and pretty much *required*
> belief in order to participate in the movement he
> had founded. And I think the whole *reason* for
> this is the "holing up" phenomenon -- losing touch
> with the people he was ostensibly trying to help.

Key words, "to participate in the movement he
founded."

Some time ago when we were discussing the whole
recertification thing here, it was suggested that
while this new requirement did restrict participation
in the movement MMY founded to those who were willing
and able to be recertified, it also *liberated* TM
teachers who were not so inclined to teach TM in a
non-movement context.

I think it was Shemp who pointed to something MMY
had said that indicated he was more or less giving
his blessing to such teachers to teach TM
independently.

Just a possibility to bear in mind...that the 
"gift" hasn't necessarily been made unavailable,
but rather that the distribution system has
been changed.


> > Just like in the Mahabharata, when Krisna tells Arjuna 
> > to "strike beneath the knees" (or something like that), 
> > those who did not realize that God in the form of Krisna 
> > had given that  command, (and that command  was against 
> > dharmic law)exclaimed "what has the world come to now, 
> > even Arjuna, who is the embodiement of dharma has broken 
> > the law". those "in the know" realized that Arjuna was 
> > performing right action, the will of God, which is the 
> > highest action and most dharmic (even if it breaks man-
> > made law) Who knows the truth? Only your hairdresser 
> > knows for sure. 
> 
> I think it's neat to be inspired by myths. But I 
> also think that it's good to remember that they
> *are* myths. Chances are that the events described
> in the Bhagavad-Gita are *fiction*, dude. They're
> analogies, invented to personify a set of teachings
> that some teacher wanted to make in a particular
> place and time, and within the context of a partic-
> ular society.

Which doesn't *necessarily* mean that they were
applicable only to that place and time and society.

> While I *understand* how some can identify with
> myths that are based on a big blue guy having a 
> long conversation with his limo (chariot) driver
> before a battle, the kinds of myths that I can
> identify with these days are more timeless, and
> more universal. They're along the lines of the
> teacher who sits down and has a long conversation
> with a beggar, because he recognizes that beggar's
> simultaneous need to be treated like an equal,
> and his essential Buddha-nature, which means that
> he *is* an equal. 

Which doesn't necessarily mean that the latter
myth has value and the former does not.  There may
be more than one kind of value, embodied in more
than one kind of myth.

And if you can think of Krishna as a limousine driver,
the former myth may not even be any less "timeless"
than the latter, nor any less a modeling of equality.

One can choose to be inspired by only one type of
myth, or one can be a little more expansive and choose
to find inspiration in many.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[Vaj]

On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote:



And what is the official definition of a Troll, in ‘Net parlance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:32 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of geezerfreak
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:17 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
>  , "Richard J. Williams"
>  wrote:
> >> 
> > Maharishi and Jerry at U.C. Berkely:
> > 
> > http://www.geocities.com/willytex/images/maharishi.jpg
> >
> Do you think you're funny Tex? You aren't. Just boring, in a mind
> damaged kind of way.
> 
> Is that it? He thinks he's being funny? Or is he crazy?
> Or just trying to vandalize the forum by engaging in
> disingenuous banter?

He's a TROLL, folks, the genuine article. He's
been doing this for years on alt.m.t. I've never
known him to engage in normal conversation.

And what is the official definition of a Troll, in 'Net parlance?

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Codicil 371.3

[curtisdeltablues]

One of the coolest things about growing older is seeing older people
in a more equal light and younger people in a kinder way.  When I got
involved in TM at 16 the world was full of people with greater power
than I could understand.  It was not such a big leap to ascribe even
magical powers to guys like MMY because at that age, most adults seem
to have amazing abilities and confidence.  I think back at Joe and
Carol Smith, my teachers who ran a friendly, welcoming center in PA. 
They were so young but they shined with idealistic fervor and
complete faith in MMY.  Because they were living on their own they
might as well have been gods to me.

The surety of youth's beliefs are so compelling.  I really feel old
when I hear a 20 something state an absolute, irrefutable fact.  What
makes me realize I am getting older is that I rarely challenge this
budding confidence.  I know they need it now just as I did. It is a
glorious period when the world seems more simple, simple enough to fit
into a guru's philosophy.  I would never go back to that  naivete, but
I remember how it felt.  It doesn't take a guru to develop it, it is a
natural  aspect of development, but a guru can run with it a long way.
 But not just gurus, young people make up our fighting forces because
they feel invincible, they do all the shitty jobs in businesses,
because they don't yet have enough knowledge and experience to be
useful in other ways.( tech skills turned this on its head for a
while)  And through it all they shine with a confidence that they will
never experience that way again.  It will morph into the more solid
confidence of experience, but it will be tempered with the knowledge
that things are rarely as simple as they seem.  Each decade of life
seems to come with different gifts.  I try to have friends in each
decade to help me remember the stuff I have forgotten, and to see
ahead to what will shape me in the future.

The longer I live and the more kinds of people I have experiences
with, the quicker I can see what type of personality a person
exhibits.  Turq's analysis of MMY and his need to separate from other
humans reminds me of people I have met who just cannot communicate as
an equal.  They always have to have a superiority edge in play.  If
you communicate with them with the assumption of equality, they
express discomfort and attempt to get back to some superior footing in
the conversation.  I have learned that sometimes there is a real
person behind all that facade, but sometimes not.  Sometimes the
facade is really all there is, the inner person is MIA.

Looking at saints like MMY and Guru Dev in a human way, judging their
actions as if they were just folks like you and I (imagine that!) can
seem at first like someone is "bashing" them.  For people who value
them in a role where they need to show up as special, this is
offensive and there is no getting around that.  I remember how
offended I was when my father looked at a picture of MMY on his silk
couch surrounded by flowers and announced that he looked like an
"upright corpse at his own funeral".  It took me decades to laugh at
his hilarious perception that is actually visually spot on.   But
assuming that another person is another fallible human is our right as
humans.   It can be liberating  if there was a time when you viewed a
person as greater than human.  At least it was for me. 





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000  wrote:
> >
> > This whole commentary is on the level of logic and thinking 
> > and even though it has a value, it is just not expansive 
> > enough to evaluate Maharishi's work and destiny. 
> 
> I disagree, having...uh...written it. :-) That whole
> rap was about commenting on Maharishi *as a human
> being*, a man, a regular guy, *not* a "god man" or
> anything so high-falutin'. I think it's important
> to do that periodically with human beings that many
> others have placed up on pedestals, in a position in
> which these individuals are considered "beyond" being
> evaluated in the same way we'd evaluate anyone else 
> we ran into.
> 
> > My favorite quote remains, "there is no right or wrong, 
> > only the will of God"
> 
> Useful if one believes in a God, and that that God
> *has* a "will." Not so useful if one doesn't, or if
> one believes that no one has more of an "inside
> track" as to what the "will of God" IS than anyone
> else. I guess I fall into the latter camp.
> 
> > Although we have intellect and logic to evaluate, it 
> > will always fall short of really knowing whether or 
> > not someone is doing the will of God.
> 
> True, but irrelevant. I was commenting on Maharishi
> as a *human being*, and finding him lacking in 
> certain human qualities that I find admirable (*not*
> the will of God) in other human beings.
> 
> What I have *always* found most lacking in Maharishi
> is *empathy*, the ability to relate to other people
> as if

Re: [FairfieldLife] Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 4/6/07 8:36:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

For the  first time in nearly two decades of reviewing research on
global warming,  the main international group studying climate change
has found that  heat-trapping emissions from industry and other
activities are already  influencing weather patterns and ecology in
ways both harmful and  beneficial.



Assuming this is true for a moment, we, in the United States, could stop  
running our cars, stop generating electricity and shut down all of our  
industries that pollute and probably wouldn't have much effect in reversing 
this  trend 
because if you have ever traveled out side of the US to countries like  China 
, India or many other  third world countries, you'll find their  pollution 
levels are far worse than ours. These countries have no interest in  using 
higher costing technologies to reduce their own pollution levels.  They are in 
the 
market for cheap energy and high productivity. Their governments  probably 
don't give a damn about their air quality and the health of their  people 
because 
they also are over populated. I was in India in '96 and the  pollution levels 
in Delhi were horrendous. Go to El Paso and look at the  difference between 
El Paso and Juarez Mexico, just across the river, it's like  night and day. I 
know people that go to China and they tell me how awful  pollution is there in 
all  of the major cities. The United States and  Europe alone can't stop the 
emission of green house gases even if we shut  down our economies entirely. And 
the moment we try to impose our "values" on  other countries that do pollute 
without any restraint, then we are seen as the  big bad boogie men suppressing 
the economic development of poor people. So,  if indeed mankind is causing 
Global Warming, which I'm not convinced it is at  this point, we are all going 
to have to make the same efforts, together. As far  as I can tell there is no 
country in the world that does as much to be  productive and reduce pollution 
per capita than the United States. Screwing in  fluorescent light bulbs and 
driving Hybrids may make you feel good about  yourself, but it ain't doing much 
when it comes to offsetting what many more  other countries are doing or not 
doing to fix the problem.   



** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[FairfieldLife] Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds

[new . morning]

Emissions Already Affecting Climate, Report Finds
NYTIMES
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/06/science/earth/06cnd-climate.html?hp

For the first time in nearly two decades of reviewing research on
global warming, the main international group studying climate change
has found that heat-trapping emissions from industry and other
activities are already influencing weather patterns and ecology in
ways both harmful and beneficial.

In its fourth assessment of global warming, the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change used its strongest language yet in drawing a
link between human activity and recent warming.

But the group, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said the
long-term outlook, should temperatures rise 3 to 5 more degrees
fahrenheit, was mainly for damaging and costly effects, ranging from
the likely extinction of perhaps a fourth of the world's species to
eventual inundation of coasts and islands inhabited by hundreds of
millions of people. 

...

Some authors said the report removed any doubt about the urgency of
acting to curb emissions of greenhouse gases.

"The warnings are clear about the scale of the projected changes to
the planet," said Bill Hare, an author of the impacts report and
visiting scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact
Research in Potsdam, Germany. "Essentially there's going to be a mass
extinction within the next 100 years unless climate change is
limited," added Dr. Hare, who previously worked for the environmental
group Greenpeace.

"These impacts have been known for many years, and are now seen with
greater clarity in this report," he said. "That clarity is perhaps the
last warning we're going to get before we actually have to report in
the next IPCC review that we're seeing the disaster unfolding."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Shoot Me

[gullible fool]

> > Also, very often at advanced lectures at the same 
> > center, reference was made to 5 years for CC, one 
> > to two years more for GC and then just a bit more 
> > for UC. 

This kind of thing was going on even in 1977. A friend
on the very first citizen sidhis course in South
Fallsburg was told by a capitol lady that he should
have CC pretty much sewed by the end of the eight
weeks of sidhis. He expected to be in uc by Xmas. 
 
--- "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So, you're admitting that you and Ken and Bob and
> all the other TM
> teachers passed out leaflets for the Yogi promising
> enlightenment in
> 5-7 years. From what I've read, Barry used to put up
> posters for the
> Rama Lentz promising *instant* enlightenment.
> 
> And you charged poor students money for non-sensical
> secret gibberish
> syllables, nicknames of the Hindu demi-Gods.
> 
> And not a single person has ever reached an
> enlightened state, BC, CC
> or even UC.
> 
> For a short, long-haired scribe dressed in a white
> silk dhoti who
> molested his female students over the course of
> decades. 
> 
> And you guys did this for what, twenty or more years
> in broad daylight? 
> 
> Don't you think it's time then, for you to refund
> some of that money
> and apologize for cheating all those people? 
> 
> My Gawd, Rick, what have you guys done? You are
> surely going to go to
> hell for this, or at least it will take you several
> lifetimes to work
> out this very bad karma.
> 
> How long have you been in and out of cults? Probably
> most of your
> adult life. 
> 
> What in the hell is wrong with you people?
> 
> And what happened to all the money?
> 
> And now you're helping to promote an Indian woman
> named Ma, who
> promises what? But you think Judy is a Junkyard Dog.
> This is really
> screwed up, to say the least. 
> 
> And llundrub thinks this scam up in Fairfield is a
> great thing for the
> planet. And a bald Geezer Freak thinks I've got
> brain damage. Go figure. 
> 
> Well, I thought this was a Five Year Plan to
> regenerate the world
> spiritually. 
> 
> You must think I'm dumb, real dumb, because if you
> guys lied through
> your teeth for all those years, why would I believe
> a single thing you
> TMers have to say now?
> 
> > Although I cannot remember the precise wording, 
> > in a pamphlet that was given out freely at the 
> > combined SIMS-SRM center on the upper west side 
> > of Manhattan in the late 1960s, we used to hand 
> > out a one page three column pamphlet, yellow or 
> > green in color, run off at a local copy shop, 
> > that clearly outlined CC in 5 years, then GC and 
> > UC (I don't remember how long for GC and UC but 
> > not long) within a few years after that. I took 
> > many of my friends to hear intro lectures at that
> > center, read that handout many times, and was 
> > planning reaching CC by the time I was done with 
> > college then GC and UC by the time I was done with
> 
> > graduate school. 
> > 
> > The various lecturers who use to give the intros
> at 
> > that center (I think on W. 78th Street) would make
> 
> > reference to the handout given out as people came 
> > to hear the lectures. 
> > 
> > Also, very often at advanced lectures at the same 
> > center, reference was made to 5 years for CC, one 
> > to two years more for GC and then just a bit more 
> > for UC. 
> > 
> > Richard W. may not have seen this handout on the 
> > West Coast but I sure saw it and often in NYC.
> > 
> > Kenny Hassman
> >
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[lurkernomore20002000]

Prev Post:
Do you think you're funny Tex? You aren't. Just boring, in a mind
> damaged kind of way.
> 
> Rick:
Is that it? He thinks he's being funny? Or is he crazy? Or just trying 
to 
   vandalize the forum  

As I recall, He made a threat along these lines about six months back.

lurk
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Shoot Me

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So, you're admitting that you and Ken and Bob and all the other TM
> teachers passed out leaflets for the Yogi promising enlightenment 
in
> 5-7 years.>>

I doubt that was ever claimed. Maharishi only ever said that the 
reports he was getting were people saying they had the experiences 
he described for CC etc. after about 7 or 8 years. You guys 
interpreted him as "promising" it in that time period. He never 
promised that. Merely that the reports he got were of that order.

 >>From what I've read, Barry used to put up posters for the
> Rama Lentz promising *instant* enlightenment.>>

He'll say anything to get attention. He'll be putting up posters 
about himself in France one day, claiming he is a guru.
 
> And you charged poor students money for non-sensical secret 
gibberish
> syllables, nicknames of the Hindu demi-Gods.>>

So you believe in Hindu Gods do you?  
  Good luck with that.

> And not a single person has ever reached an enlightened state, BC, 
CC
> or even UC.>>

You're already there, haven't you heard.
 
> For a short, long-haired scribe dressed in a white silk dhoti who
> molested his female students over the course of decades. >>

That is just a smear campaign initiated and perpetuated by those 
that feel sexually inadequate themselves.

> And you guys did this for what, twenty or more years in broad 
daylight? >> Don't you think it's time then, for you to refund some 
of that money
> and apologize for cheating all those people? >>

Not when there are hundreds of scientific studies proving you are 
better off for it. Hard to disprove science. It would be like saying 
the world is flat.

> 
> My Gawd, Rick, what have you guys done? You are surely going to go 
to
> hell for this, or at least it will take you several lifetimes to 
work
> out this very bad karma.>>

Don't bother ribbing Rick, he has been in CC at least for years, and 
he doesn't even know it. Your jibes are like water off a duck's back.

> 
> How long have you been in and out of cults? Probably most of your
> adult life. >>

The Masons invented and run America. How long have you been in a 
cult?...since birth.

<>

Spent it on fluffy bunnies.

> 
> And now you're helping to promote an Indian woman named Ma, who
> promises what? >>

Big hugseeeuuw!sounds gross.

<>

They want their mommy's back so they take it out on Judy.
 
> And llundrub thinks this scam up in Fairfield is a great thing for 
the planet. >>

He is enlightened but he is too dumb to know it.

<>

Baldness is a sign of over-heated brains.

 spiritually. >>
> 
> You must think I'm dumb, real dumb, because if you guys lied 
through
> your teeth for all those years, why would I believe a single thing 
you
> TMers have to say now?>>>

I have always asked them why would anyone listen to someone that 
claims they were dumb enough to be duped into a cult for decades, 
and now want you to believe anything else they say, and even join 
another cult with them...Kaplan's letter for example is a prime 
example of someone self-proclaiming he is an idiot and now everyone 
should listen to him.

OffWorld
(off skiing for  the day)

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment in 5-7 years

[cardemaister]

> Geezer Freak wrote:
> > Do you think you're funny Tex? You aren't. Just 
> > boring, in a mind damaged kind of way.
> >
>

Be it as it may, Richard's syntax is IMO usually chrystal
clear, and not too complicated, so his posts are enjoyable to read for 
people like myself: with a slight visual defect.  :0