[FairfieldLife] Dow Jones launches new faith based Dharma Indices....
Dow Jones Indexes, a leading global index provider, and Dharma Investments, a leading private investment firm pioneering the development of faith-based investment, today announced the launch of the Dow Jones Dharma Indexes. The new indexes measure the performance of companies selected according to the value systems and principles of Dharmic religions, especially Hinduism and Buddhism. The Dow Jones Dharma Index series includes the Dow Jones Dharma Global Index, as well as four country indexes for the U.S., the U.K., Japan and India. The indexes are designed to underlie financial products such as exchange-traded funds and other investable products that enable investors to participate in the performance of companies which are compliant with Dharmic religious traditions. The Dow Jones Dharma Indexes are the first faith-based indexes created to measure Dharma compliant equities. As faith-based and socially responsible investing continues to grow worldwide, our goal is to provide the investment community with the most comprehensive benchmarks that comply with these principles, said Michael A. Petronella, president of Dow Jones Indexes. The launch of the new Dow Jones Dharma Indexes marks a major step in our effort to further expand our range of faith-based indexes. Dow Jones Indexes pioneered this space by launching the Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes in 1999 -- today the leading Islamic market indexes worldwide. We are honored to be serving a demand for faith-based investing, said Nitesh Gor, CEO of Dharma Investments. India and Asia have made remarkable advances economically over the last few years and in parallel we believe that bringing our religious values onto the global stage offers sustainable solutions to the problems facing the world today. The principle of Dharma contains precepts relevant to good conduct, but also the implicit requirement of mindfulness about the sources of wealth -- and therefore responsible investing, he added. The Dow Jones Dharma Index brings together a combination of environmental, social, governance and traditional sin sector filters. As such, the Index is unique and will not just have appeal to the religious, but to a far broader audience as well. We are also very grateful to the broad array of the most eminent spiritual leaders within the Dharma religions for their continuing involvement and blessings. Their endorsement of this Index gives us great confidence in its authority and eventual success. The index universe for the Dow Jones Dharma Indexes is defined as the top 5,000 components of the Dow Jones Wilshire Global Total Market Index as measured by float adjusted market capitalization, and all components in the Dow Jones Wilshire India Index. To be included in the Dow Jones Dharma Indexes, stocks must pass a set of industry, environmental, corporate governance and qualitative screens for Dharmic compliance. Industry screens include unacceptable sectors and business practices. Environmental screens take account of a company's impact or policies with respect to emissions, climate change and carbon footprint analysis, oil and chemical spills and waste management and recycling. Corporate Governance screens comprise the handling of labor relations/disputes/discrimination allegations, human rights violations, working conditions/wages. Excluded from the index are companies from sectors that are deemed unacceptable due to the nature of their business activities and operations. Excluded are also companies that have exposure to unacceptable business practices. Some examples of unacceptable sectors are aerospace and defense, brewers, casinos and gaming, pharmaceuticals, tobacco. Some examples for unacceptable business practices are alcohol, adult entertainment, animal testing and genetic modification of agricultural products. To ensure the quality of the indexes and the integrity of the underlying index methodology, three boards were established to define, build and implement the screening criteria: the Dow Jones Dharma Academic Advisory Committee, the Dow Jones Dharma Supervisory Board and the Dow Jones Dharma Religious Council. The Dow Jones Dharma Academic Advisory Committee provides guidance and establishes the principles for the methodology. Members include: Prof. Francis X. Clooney SJ, Parkman Professor of Divinityand Professor of Comparative Theology, Harvard University; Dr. Jeevan Deol, School of Oriental and African Studies, UK; Prof. Gavin Flood, Professor at Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies; Prof. D. Gold, Lecturer in South Asian Religions, Cornell; Prof. Richard Gombrich, Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies; Prof. Pema Gyalpo, Professor of International Relations at Toin Yokohama University, Japan; Dr. Peter Harvey, University of Sunderland; Prof. John Stratton Hawley, Ann Whitney Olin Professor of Religionand Department Chair at
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Nader Raam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must confess that I have pretty much been out of touch with the TMO since the 80's - I have avoided ayerveda, jotysh, vostoo, etc. and couldn't give a 25 cent description of them. (Spelled them wrong on purpose, though I don't know how to spell them correctly.) aayur-veda (are you r-veh-eh-duh), jyotish (dzyaw-teesh), vaastu (vaah-stoo) :o and I am wondering about this fellow Maharaja Nader Raam, the heir to the throne. Who is he, where did he come from, anyone heard him speak or spent time with him? More importantly, does he have a firm grip on Being?
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Farewell Message on YouTube
Maharishi's Farewell Message on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_KnyD0mOI
[FairfieldLife] Re: A reason why Israel has such influence on US policy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Shocking [to me] list of US/Isreal dual citizenship US Government officials directly influencing US Policy, both foreign and domestic, and representing the *hard right* views of Israel's hardliners This is complete crap. Just because the U.S. citizens listed below are Jewish does not mean that they are dual citizens of Israel and the U.S. -- it's not impossible that one or two of the people listed do have Israeli citizenship, and I'm certainly not going to do the legwork to repudiate this claim, but I'm quite sure that all or nearly all of the people listed only hold citizenship in the U.S., even if they have interests in Israel. The hairball that posted the web site ( http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html ) does not cite where he got his info that there are many people holding dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship and says only that he derived this information from some space case on the web: Consider the following list that I obtained on the web:, without citing his sources. It's undoubtedly complete bullshit from some Jew-hater. Dual citizenship is common. Our own beloved Bevan is a duallie of Aussie and America, and I know lots of dual Mexico/U.S. folks. There are no exceptions in U.S. law or policy for people holding U.S. and Israeli citizenship (as compared with any other dual nationality of a U.S. citizen). My interest in this issue is the apparent serious bias of US policy toward Israel and against the Palestinians and the clear influence of certain key players in the Bush administration with their ties to the hard right US Jewish lobby and political hardliners in Israel, who have direct influence on this policy. Whether those named on the list are indeed each of dual Israel/US citizenship, there is no question by the description of their positions in that article and on the public record that they *do* have direct influence on US policy in a biased manner favoring Israel. And this totally one-sided, long-term slant in Israel's favor and against the Palestinians is a direct causal reason for the massive, dangerous animosty for the US from the Arab and Islamic world; a *stated* cause by bin Laden and other radical extremists for terrorist attacks against the US and it's supporters. And what pisses me off is when anyone attempts to point this out or to even discuss this issue without immediately taking Israel's side, they are called 'anti-Semitic' or 'Jew haters' as you did above. The following is another article illustrating the power of the US Jewish lobby in US government to intimidate and to push their hard line, and in my view, self-defeating one-sided agenda. AIPAC, the ultra conservative pro-Israeli lobby Politicians Eating Their Own to Defend AIPAC by Steven D Booman Tribune,Sep 18th, 2007 http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/9/18/19318/7181 Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) made a very big mistake, at least as far as the Democratic leadership in the House is concerned. He told the truth about AIPAC's unhealthy influence on American politics: In an interview with Tikkun, a California-based Jewish magazine, Moran said the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is the most powerful lobby and has pushed [the Iraq] war from the beginning. I don't think they represent the mainstream of American Jewish thinking at all, but because they are so well organized, and their members are extraordinarily powerful -- most of them are quite wealthy -- they have been able to exert power. [...] The problem with addressing the groups who have argued strongly in favor of a long-term American military presence in the Middle East is that they raise arguments that are not related to the point, Moran said. I would like to have a reasonable, objective discussion about AIPAC's foreign policy agenda. But it's difficult to do that because any time you question their motives, you are accused of being anti-Semitic. And for that transgression, House Majority Leader, Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md) has decided Moran needs to be taken to the woodshed: House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) went after fellow Democrat Jim Moran of Virginia Tuesday, calling on him to retract his comments about the Israel lobby. His remarks were factually inaccurate and recall an old canard that is not true, that the Jewish community controls the media and the Congress, Hoyer said at a news conference in the Capitol. First of all, Moran never said the Jewish community controls the media and Congress, so Hoyer is the one lying. What Moran said was that AIPAC, the ultra conservative pro-Israeli lobby which doesn't represent the views of the majority of Jewish Americans, is the most powerful lobby in Washington which pressed for, and has continued to support, President Bush's war with Iraq, a statement
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Nader Raam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then again, he could be another raja Hagelin who sold his reputation, his credibility and his integrity for mere access and proximity. .02 USD Right, point 02 USD worth of commentary from Vaj. As usual ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---No - he's only accomplished 2% of what Guru Dev wanted for the world. Add two zeros to that 2% and you have Maharishis accomplishment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---No - he's only accomplished 2% of what Guru Dev wanted for the world. Add two zeros to that 2% and you have Maharishis accomplishment. Maybe in a few individuals that's true, but certainly not the world. And if you're *really* trying to say it includes the whole world, Mr. Nablusoss, you're totally bananas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
Off: Ending the fight with a Shotokan kick at full force would kill a man, Curtis: Name even one time this happened outside your mind. One time, one man, one documented event, one peer reviewed study. One example of this claim actually happening. Just one. One of the advantages (or limitations) to posting on a site like this, is that people don't really have to respond to your requests. I have noticed this often. You ask someone to elaborate on something, to clarify something, to back up something, and the next thing you know, they are off participating in anther thread, completely ignoring your request.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Farewell Message on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's Farewell Message on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_KnyD0mOI Thanks George. This was the only way I was going to get it. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off: Ending the fight with a Shotokan kick at full force would kill a man, Curtis: Name even one time this happened outside your mind. One time, one man, one documented event, one peer reviewed study. One example of this claim actually happening. Just one. One of the advantages (or limitations) to posting on a site like this, is that people don't really have to respond to your requests. I have noticed this often. You ask someone to elaborate on something, to clarify something, to back up something, and the next thing you know, they are off participating in anther thread, completely ignoring your request. In Shotokan, this technique is referred to RunawayDori. :-) One of the reasons that Off won't respond is that no Shotokan fighter has ever actually *engaged* in a fight. They start talking to the opponent about the one punch kill thang, and when the opponent starts to nod off from boredom, they run away. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda in that connection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG !.....He has left the body !.....Jan. 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: OMG ! I have it on good authority that he has left the body today, of all days, on January the 12th...how wierd is that !??? It is uncanny ! What now?!! OffWorld I was talking about my next door neighbor's cat. He was a funky little fellar. I'll miss him. Regarding your thoughts over MMY passing. First he does not pass. He/it is not IN your heart, he IS your heart. Secondly, attachment to exterior entities, even though powerful, is a crutch. Thirdly, it will make you stronger. Fourthly, you will feel more bliss after his passing, not less. Fifthly, your evolution will continue exponentially because it has been set in motion, and you will be free, and in that freedom you will be a Maharishi and you will spend the rest of your days not caring about the material, but passing on knowledge in some way or another, and enjoying every moment of it. What higher life is there than that? OffWorld FW: i am trying to get my mind around Maharishi dying. i realize that i think of him as an immortal value. i know that i do not have the same respect for the words of any other source. i more than believe in his status, i have experienced it. he has perplexed me, but i have no question that the technique that he taught me has worked, and i have a level of gratitude for his tradition that i do not have for anything else. as far as i'm concerned, there is no one to replace him. i don't know what it means to be without one's teacher. i am suspecting that it will feel very different. i am assuming that i will feel that there is no ultimate arbitrator, and that will make me feel adrift. that the world has returned to argument only. that the transcendent has lost its best articulator. i don't think that i will feel that Nature speaks english anymore. i will be concerned about losing my way. There is almost too much heart and seriousness for this post to be found on FFL. Beautiful ! Like OFF I am sure that this new situation will be a blessing in disguise, that even though Nature soon will not have that perfect expression that we are used to during all these years, other voices will come forth. And they will be ours, yours and mine and everbody else who has had the priviledge of basking in Maharishis visdom. Off put it perfectly: you will be Maharishi ! (Maharishi even said that in the early sixties I will duplicate myself. ;-)) Even though you don't have a clear idea how that is going to happen at this time. But it will happen in some way or the other if you allow it to happen. So don't worry about loosing your way, you are on a much stronger footing than you imagine. Every word you wrote is a testimony of that. Jai Guru Dev !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quck, before it's taken off the Net for being suppressive
Curtis wrote: Wow! Wow! Don't you guys have anything better to do than sit around and knock other people's religious beliefs. That topped the Raja nonsense as the best thing I have seen all week! Better than TV Guide?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda That is, not from *aayur-veda*... :0 in that connection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda in that connection. As a note to this and the nay-sayers here: These new rasayanas are developed and blessed by Dr. Triguna.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
Bhairitu wrote: You'd think the US was just teaming with terrorists ready to blow up everything. You sound really scared. Everyone is in a conspiracy to screw Bharat2. There's the Homeland Security van driver, the IRS, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the Border Patrol, all looking to get you, not to mention your neighborhood cop. You're so scared you think a cabal blew up Building 7 at the World Trade center. Go figure. Oh, I forgot, they think that anyone who doesn't like Bush is a terrorist. Yeah, you think there's a terrorist under your bed, I guess. During the week following the September 11 attacks, most major newspapers ran stories on the very plausible prospect that 9/11 could lead to a radical overhaul of civil liberties in the United States. The articles included sober discussions by law professors of whether we would have internment camps for Muslims, citing the camps for Japanese during World War II, or whether there would be a suspension of habeas corpus, citing the precedent of the Civil War. Fortunately for all of us, this didn't happen. While there were some aggressive law enforcement steps taken, particularly with regard to immigration offenses, for the most part the changes in existing statutory and constitutional law have been minor. . . . Where does that leave us? To me it suggests that the impact of 9/11 on the law is still largely an open question, but that as a general matter the impact has been notably less significant than most of us would have predicted on the afternoon of 9/11. Maybe this will change in the future: Senator Specter's NSA bill is still pending, and a few Supreme Court vacancies might alter the picture. But on the five-year anniversary of 9/11, I'm struck more by how little the law has changed than by how much. Read mmore: 'The Volokh Conspiracy' Monday, September 11, 2006 http://tinyurl.com/3yojt7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Nader Raam
Rick Archer wrote: His name is Tony Abou-Nader and he's from Lebanon. He has an M.D. and a Ph.D. real ones Sal Sunshine wrote: Ha ha--are you implying the ones from MUM aren't, um, *real,* Rick? :) Does MUM award MDs? Tsk, tsk. Tsk, tsk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A reason why Israel has such influence on US policy
On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:55 AM, do.rflex wrote: And what pisses me off is when anyone attempts to point this out or to even discuss this issue without immediately taking Israel's side, they are called 'anti-Semitic' or 'Jew haters' as you did above. There have actually been a number of TV comments on this, one a 60 Minutes segment on how an ~85% Christian nation which has grown progressively fundamentalist and tied into the belief that world destiny centers around a return of Jesus, their saviour, as a commander in chief type figure who will return in Israel--by prophetic decree--and slay the non-believers in the real war to end all wars. It's really a rather bizarre scenario: Christians supporting Israel so Jesus can return and then slaughter most of the Jews as Jesus establishes his kingdom. Jesus as cosmic suicide bomber in the sky. Blue-meme republican nut-cases like Bush actually believe this schlock. Haven't you seen the copies of the Left Behind series in racks your local supermarket? Walmart often prominently displays them. See: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml “It is my belief that the Bible Belt in America is Israel’s only safety belt right now,” says Rev. Jerry Falwell, one of the leaders of the Christian Right. That’s the bulk of Evangelical Christians; Falwell claims to speak for all of them. “There are 70 million of us,” he says. “And if there’s one thing that brings us together quickly it’s whenever we begin to detect our government becoming a little anti-Israel.” Falwell began to detect just that in April 2002 when President Bush called on Israel to withdraw its tanks from Palestinian towns on the West Bank. So Falwell shot off a letter of protest to the White House, which was followed by a hundred thousand e-mails from Christian conservatives. Israel did not move its tanks. Mr. Bush did not ask again. “There’s nothing that would bring the wrath of the Christian public in this country down on this government like abandoning or opposing Israel in a critical matter,” Falwell says. The “Christian public” is, he says, Mr. Bush’s core constituency. “I really believe when the chips are down Ariel Sharon can trust George Bush to do the right thing every time,” says Falwell. ...so it all winds up here in Israel where, according to the Book of Revelations, the final battle in the history of the future will be fought on an ancient battlefield in northern Israel called Armageddon. It will follow seven years of tribulation during which the earth will be shaken by such disasters that previous human history will seem like a day in the country. The blood will rise as high as a horse’s bridle at Armageddon, before Christ triumphs to begin his 1,000-year rule. And the Jews? Well, two-thirds of them will have been wiped out by now. But the survivors will accept Jesus at last. “The Jews die or convert. As a Jew, I can’t feel very comfortable with the affections of somebody who looks forward to that scenario,” says Gershom Gorenberg, who knows that scenario well. Gorenberg is the author of the “End of Days,” a book about those Christian evangelicals who choose to read the Bible literally. “They don’t love real Jewish people. They love us as characters in their story, in their play, and that’s not who we are, and we never auditioned for that part, and the play is not one that ends up good for us.” “If you listen to the drama they’re describing, essentially it’s a five-act play in which the Jews disappear in the fourth act.”
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda That is, not from *aayur-veda*... :0 in that connection. He is not a Pundit like you, Anand is a very practical businessman :-) BTW, after the break in the ongoing transfer on http://maharishichannel.org/ channel 3 from Vlodrop there will be an announcement about the Brahmanada Saraswati Fund
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
But honestly I deserve a Shotokan kick in the head for re-entering this debate with Off. What's with that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Off: Ending the fight with a Shotokan kick at full force would kill a man, Curtis: Name even one time this happened outside your mind. One time, one man, one documented event, one peer reviewed study. One example of this claim actually happening. Just one. One of the advantages (or limitations) to posting on a site like this, is that people don't really have to respond to your requests. I have noticed this often. You ask someone to elaborate on something, to clarify something, to back up something, and the next thing you know, they are off participating in anther thread, completely ignoring your request. In Shotokan, this technique is referred to RunawayDori. :-) One of the reasons that Off won't respond is that no Shotokan fighter has ever actually *engaged* in a fight. They start talking to the opponent about the one punch kill thang, and when the opponent starts to nod off from boredom, they run away. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG !.....He has left the body !.....Jan. 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think that such posts are valuable in that they point out something that many of us who have distanced ourselves from MMY and the TMO sometimes forget -- the level of dependence on him and his guidance that some TBs still feel. It's a really big deal for such people when the teacher who's basically told them what to do and what to think for 30 years is about to quit the scene. I've seen it before, with the Rama trip. I walked away from that trip a couple of years before Rama walked away from living, but boy! it was rough watching some of those who hung in till the end go through dealing with his death. It took many of them ten years to be able to live life on their own, *without* being told what to do. Some never even tried, and dived straight from the Rama trip into the guiding hands of another guru. A few took what they'd learned and developed lives of their own. All I can say is that as drama goes, watching a spiritual movement when its leader dies is right up there with Shakespeare. Some of it is tragedy, some comedy, but it's all extreme, and these impassioned posts we're seeing for- warded here are just the beginning. And just think, what a wonderful opportunity these posts provide to some here to congratulate themselves on how much more *evolved* they are than the writers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
There's another side to that. How many of us would really check out a reading
list someone submits in support of a claim?
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:40:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
Off:
Ending the fight with a Shotokan kick at full force would kill a man,
Curtis:
Name even one time this happened outside your mind. One time, one
man, one documented event, one peer reviewed study. One example of
this claim actually happening. Just one.
One of the advantages (or limitations) to posting on a site like this, is
that people don't really have to respond to your requests. I have noticed this
often. You ask someone to elaborate on something, to clarify something, to
back up something, and the next thing you know, they are off participating in
anther thread, completely ignoring your request.
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[FairfieldLife] Inside the Jyotirmath
According to the medical records, as described in the official biography of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, Guru Dev died of natural causes. Just before Swamiji passed away, he summoned his foremost chela, Bal Bramacharya Mahesh, who had been waiting just outside in the hall, and handed him a full set of written instructions concerning the administration of his entire estate. Guru Dev then told Mahesh, in front of three others: My dearest Mahesh, please put this old bag of bones, [pointing at his chest], inside a trunk, with this body sitting upright in this high chair, [pointing at his chair], and toss it into the Ganges river [makes dumping gesture]. Then, Bal, you should arrange my affairs and then go to the Himalayas, hide inside a cave at the Upper Kashi and meditate day and night, just like I have instructed you. Don't come down from the mountain until you've developed a plan to spiritually regenerate the whole world. Use the simple system of meditation that I have taught you - remember to always keep the teaching pure. Guru Dev then closed his eyes, sat up in the full lotus position, took one long deep breath, felt his body as a whole, became aware of his bija-mantra, just like any other thought, and absorbed in deep meditation, passed into Cosmic Conciousness. Inside the Jyotirmath After arranging the funeral of his Guru DevJi and turning over, with all due pomp and ceremony, the administration of the Jyotirmath Trust to Guru Dev's worthy succussor, Shantanand Saraswati, as specified in Guru Dev's hand-written will, Bal Bramhacharya Mahesh followed Guru Dev's instructions to the letter: he went to a cave in the forest of Garwhal, the Upper Kashi, in the Himalayas. It has been reported that Bal practiced the mouna yoga up there. During that time he also mastered the siddha yoga; the hatha yoga, dhyana yoga, bhakti yoga, tantric yoga, japa yoga, and he did the tapas. He became a Master; cognized the bija-mantras, thus becoming somewhat of a Seer himself! Read more: 'Inside the Jyotirmath' By Richard Williams http://tinyurl.com/y9sx55
[FairfieldLife] The Schizophrenic TM movement
The last few days have really been helpful for me to get a look at what the modern movement is like. Being an outsider for the last 18 years, I have only gotten small glimpses of what goes on in the movement through print mostly. To have a chance to watch a celebration? online has been very instructive. Of course the movement is much more diverse than this event, but looking at the people at the top of the heap does give some insight into what its all about. At one point there was a song presented by Mother Divine singers where they basically repeated some of the names of Mother Divine. To get back to the perspective that they were talking about laws of nature seems like a long trek... Oh gravity, I love you so,you are divine from your head to your toe... These chicks were religiously devoted to Mother Divine as a living deity, period. Of course this has been going on undercover for years, but hearing it at such a public event offered some insight into the way it works for the movement now. You are either on board or off now. There is less of the sneakiness that I used to rail about when I first left the movement. You can't put your crazy uncle with the crown in the closet when guests come anymore. There was a lot of discussions by Rajas of all the land the movement bought around the world. Because it was in the background most of the time while I puttered around it often seemed like a real estate investor's convention. There was very little discussion of knowledge. These old dudes were talking acquisitions, land, building projects. I expected to have the Raja of county building permits step up to the mike at any moment. They seemed like a lot of rich guys whose conversations I overhear in posh restaurants in DC. Fat guys crowing about their stuff, and more stuff, and the plans for even more stuff, pass the mashed potatoes and don't forget the gravy. For God sake, don't forget the gravy. I think that the Indianization of TM has really torpedoed MMY's original goal of spreading meditation. It was inevitable because I believe that MMY was really just pretending to respect science for a while. He was only using it as a superficial cover for introducing his religious beliefs into Western culture. Now this isn't troubling for me really because I am a fan of studying religions. But the problem for me is that something else has been lost. That something else is a sincere desire to study meditation techniques to understand our humanity better. The spirit of brave exploration has been replaced with a glossy brochure explaining what it all means in basically fundamentalist Hindu terms. I am sort of thinking of Judy's perspective on what she knows and what she doesn't know from her meditation experiences. She seems pretty clear on drawing her own lines. I have to figure that she is not alone in practicing TM and not buying the whole belief package. Maintaining a wait as see attitude about some of the more extravigant claims. But overshadowing this approach is the 6 year old's birthday party with the silly hats...Guys like Heiglin gave up his science, chucked it willingly. And he was a physics badass in the day right? Tony nosejob Nadar throws out his science background to become Nadar Raj, WTF? He bought into a complete explanation from a traditional perspective instead of continuing the humble search for answers. He sold his intellectual integrity for a party hat. This may be the reason he gets such a rise out of me. He knew better. So these are just thoughts in progress. This is an interesting time to re-think the TM group and MMY. In his address I really got the impression that MMY has been winging it all. He just threw out his stuff and reacted to the world's interest. He keeps talking about his constant working. It is a theme for him, always has been. Tireless working is the highest virtue in his universe, and you find that out pretty quickly if you try to hang with him. He has always been a human doing, not a human being. A whirlwind of poorly planned new projects crushing old projects before any of them had a chance to work. In India he changed his mind every day about what we should be focusing on. We thought it was sooo cute and enlightened. Now I honestly believe the guy is seriously ADD and a little ritalin might have saved people around him a lot of pain. Lip service paid to knowledge, but never the patience to really develop thoughts beyond what could be put on a poster of slogans. MMY has always been a sloganeer,not a careful thinker IMO. Couldn't even finish the Gita commentary for God's sake! The Hindu Bible. How telling is that? So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation is a nice break in your day. It can help you feel centered which is no small feat in a hustle bustle world. But it isn't worth putting on a golden hat for, is it? I hope others will weigh
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
Willytex (snipped): Everyone is in a conspiracy to screw Bharat2. There's the Homeland Security van driver, the IRS, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the Border Patrol, all looking to get you, not to mention your neighborhood cop. You're so scared you think a cabal blew up Building 7 at the World Trade center. Go figure. Why don't you read up on the physics of how a building can collapse onto its own footprint at near free-fall speed? Or on what temperature it takes to melt steel as compared to the temperature at which jet fuel burns. Look at the videos and notice the color of the smoke--that alone should tell you the fire's not hot enough to melt steel. Find out under what conditions building collapse produces dust rather than rubble, or how it is that steel girders are all cut at the same length and at the same angle and then are shipped abroad from the crime scene--and, while you're at it, ask yourself, Since when is that not obstruction of justice? And, while you're at it, why don't you ponder how come a physicist's article that points out some of these things is among the top censured stories of the year. Go figure indeed. And then I have a question for you. Why is it that the phrase You sound really scared is a favored term of disapprobation? I'm pretty good at reading emotion in a text, having spent my life at the study of language. I saw no fear in the original post. Pointing to facts is not tantamount to fear, even if the facts pointed to may have some fearful import. A good reader ought to be able to distinguish things a little better. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another side to that. How many of us would really check out a reading list someone submits in support of a claim? That's a strange rhetorical question in response to what Lurk said (especially since not citing a source was only one of the types of behavior he mentioned). It sounds like an excuse for not providing documentation of one's claims: few are going to check it out, so why bother? And it's loaded by the term reading list. More often than not, a long bibliography isn't necessary to support a claim. If I were dubious about a particular claim and a citation or two were provided, I would be very strongly inclined to look at the sources. Angela does indirectly raise one good point, though. One tactic of disingenuous propagandists is to cite sources that do not, on examination, actually back up their claims. The propagandists figure that the *show* of citing sources will be enough to convince many readers that the claims are documented. Right-winger Ann Coulter is known for using this tactic, for example, as are some climate-change deniers; and I've seen it used from time to time in discussions on electronic forums. But to refuse or ignore a request for documentation for a claim, or to decline on the grounds that nobody will look at it if provided (or, as Lurk says, simply failing to clarify or elaborate), should immediately arouse suspicion about the validity of the claim and the integrity of the person making it. From: lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Off: Ending the fight with a Shotokan kick at full force would kill a man, Curtis: Name even one time this happened outside your mind. One time, one man, one documented event, one peer reviewed study. One example of this claim actually happening. Just one. One of the advantages (or limitations) to posting on a site like this, is that people don't really have to respond to your requests. I have noticed this often. You ask someone to elaborate on something, to clarify something, to back up something, and the next thing you know, they are off participating in anther thread, completely ignoring your request.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
On Jan 16, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: Why don't you read up on the physics of how a building can collapse onto its own footprint at near free-fall speed? Or on what temperature it takes to melt steel as compared to the temperature at which jet fuel burns. Take a Strength of Materials engineering course and what you'll find is it's not about melting steel, esp. in the case of the unique construction of the WTC. What it is about is loosing their structural integrity. Long before steel melts, it looses it's structural integrity. A mere 300 degree difference in temp can cause steel beams to permanently distort. Of course the temps in the WTC were significantly above that temp.
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
So, you think that the Adi Shankaracharya of Sringeri not only initiated disciples into Sri Vidya practices, but said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the peetha. And, as noted, not by householders, but by Swamis. So, let's go figure. There is a shrine to Shankara at the Sri Vidya temple down in Kanchipuram peeth, wherein lies the Sri Cakra or Sri Yantra. And, the Swami Rama of the Himalayas recounted in his book, 'Living With the Himalyan Masters', a direct, first hand account of Guru Dev having a Sri Yantra in his possession at a yoga camp. So, is EVERYONE in the Shankaracharya tradition deluded? Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Does this mean the past Shankaracharyas, as well as the current ones, ascribed to a tantric cult? Is it a fact that the Adi Shankara installed an IDOL of a Goddess on a Sri Cakra (Sri Yantra) as the MAIN DEITY of the Sringeri Matha? Apparently, the 33rd Shankaracharya of the Sringeri Matha died before he could give all the initiations to the 34th, his successor. However, the 33rd is reputed to have said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the Peetha. According to an authority on the subject, normally the Srividya mantropadesa would be done by the guru, but Narasimha Bharati had passed away before his disciple arrived at Sringeri. Hence the mantropadesa was done by Srikanta Sastri. He had been initiated into it by Narasimha Bharati Mahaswami the 34th. The Pontiff's reign was from 1912 to 1953, so he was a contemporary of Guru Dev. The 33rd. was Sri Narasimha Bharati Mahaswami, making him a contemporary of Guru Dev's Guru, Swami Krishanand. Mystic and Seer And, isn't it a fact that the principal deity, Saradambal, the Goddess of Learning, is a focus of a mighty spiritual force? According to my informant, Saradamba, by all legendary accounts, is a deity of Kashmir who was literally brought down to the south of India by Adi Shankara. He installed the idol made of sandalwood on a Sri Chakra drawn by himself. So, here we have Shankara installing an IDOL of a Goddess on a Sri Cakra (Sri Yantra) as the MAIN DEITY of the math! Indeed! Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy And, here we have a totally discredited and false history of the Kanchi matha, with claims that a Shankara founded the Matha BEFORE the historical Buddha was even born, and a direct disciple of Guru Dev who claims that Guru Dev never used any bija-mantras for devotional or self-knowledge purposes, and that Guru Dev was a Rasik Saint who never taught Adwaita in the first place, because he didn't have a Brahman thingy. So, I guess we will just have to go figure, you know what I mean? But it doesn't make much sense to say that Guru Dev didn't have a Brahman thingy when his name was Swami Brahmanand. Work cited: The True History of India by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Barsana Dham, Austin, Texas Read the full post: 'Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy' http://tinyurl.com/yzjfsv
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation is a nice break in your day. It can help you feel centered which is no small feat in a hustle bustle world. But it isn't worth putting on a golden hat for, is it? I hope others will weigh in. I am especially interested in people who have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the movement. Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement? What am I missing? For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me satisfactorily far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me has absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as the total utter bullshit of the TMO. That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of everything I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity, sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and clear absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I could make a very big list.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
So, you, Richard, a war monger, again expect us to be happy to have you as a teacher of the ancient texts to us? Go take a flying fuck. I'm so tired of you posing as a wise scholar when you have a stone cold heart. You have yet to repudiate my condemnation of your murderous morality, and though I took the time to answer your faint defense by comparing warfare to abortion, you have not stepped up to that plate either. You are a coward. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you think that the Adi Shankaracharya of Sringeri not only initiated disciples into Sri Vidya practices, but said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the peetha. And, as noted, not by householders, but by Swamis. So, let's go figure. There is a shrine to Shankara at the Sri Vidya temple down in Kanchipuram peeth, wherein lies the Sri Cakra or Sri Yantra. And, the Swami Rama of the Himalayas recounted in his book, 'Living With the Himalyan Masters', a direct, first hand account of Guru Dev having a Sri Yantra in his possession at a yoga camp. So, is EVERYONE in the Shankaracharya tradition deluded? Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Does this mean the past Shankaracharyas, as well as the current ones, ascribed to a tantric cult? Is it a fact that the Adi Shankara installed an IDOL of a Goddess on a Sri Cakra (Sri Yantra) as the MAIN DEITY of the Sringeri Matha? Apparently, the 33rd Shankaracharya of the Sringeri Matha died before he could give all the initiations to the 34th, his successor. However, the 33rd is reputed to have said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the Peetha. According to an authority on the subject, normally the Srividya mantropadesa would be done by the guru, but Narasimha Bharati had passed away before his disciple arrived at Sringeri. Hence the mantropadesa was done by Srikanta Sastri. He had been initiated into it by Narasimha Bharati Mahaswami the 34th. The Pontiff's reign was from 1912 to 1953, so he was a contemporary of Guru Dev. The 33rd. was Sri Narasimha Bharati Mahaswami, making him a contemporary of Guru Dev's Guru, Swami Krishanand. Mystic and Seer And, isn't it a fact that the principal deity, Saradambal, the Goddess of Learning, is a focus of a mighty spiritual force? According to my informant, Saradamba, by all legendary accounts, is a deity of Kashmir who was literally brought down to the south of India by Adi Shankara. He installed the idol made of sandalwood on a Sri Chakra drawn by himself. So, here we have Shankara installing an IDOL of a Goddess on a Sri Cakra (Sri Yantra) as the MAIN DEITY of the math! Indeed! Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy And, here we have a totally discredited and false history of the Kanchi matha, with claims that a Shankara founded the Matha BEFORE the historical Buddha was even born, and a direct disciple of Guru Dev who claims that Guru Dev never used any bija-mantras for devotional or self-knowledge purposes, and that Guru Dev was a Rasik Saint who never taught Adwaita in the first place, because he didn't have a Brahman thingy. So, I guess we will just have to go figure, you know what I mean? But it doesn't make much sense to say that Guru Dev didn't have a Brahman thingy when his name was Swami Brahmanand. Work cited: The True History of India by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Barsana Dham, Austin, Texas Read the full post: 'Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy' http://tinyurl.com/yzjfsv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Nader Raam
cardemaister wrote: aayur-veda (are you r-veh-eh-duh), jyotish (dzyaw-teesh), vaastu (vaah-stoo) :o maharSi (Marshy). Any great sage or saint. Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche The word is a compound of two words: maha or maha, meaning great, either in quantity or quality, and r.s.i or rishi, meaning a seer or one with awareness. Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement
That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. Thanks for your thoughts. I suspect I would have ended up with this approach if I had continued with a spiritual orientation. Very interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: [snip] So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation is a nice break in your day. It can help you feel centered which is no small feat in a hustle bustle world. But it isn't worth putting on a golden hat for, is it? I hope others will weigh in. I am especially interested in people who have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the movement. Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement? What am I missing? For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me satisfactorily far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me has absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as the total utter bullshit of the TMO. That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of everything I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity, sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and clear absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I could make a very big list.
[FairfieldLife] Celebrating the Age of Bush
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[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG !.....He has left the body !.....Jan. 12
Yes, hasten the day. Extremely delicate beautiful reply Off_W from Vermont. Thanks. off_world_beings wrote: Regarding your thoughts over MMY passing. First he does not pass. He/it is not IN your heart, he IS your heart. Secondly, attachment to exterior entities, even though powerful, is a crutch. Thirdly, it will make you stronger. Fourthly, you will feel more bliss after his passing, not less. Fifthly, your evolution will continue exponentially because it has been set in motion, and you will be free, and in that freedom you will be a Maharishi and you will spend the rest of your days not caring about the material, but passing on knowledge in some way or another, and enjoying every moment of it. What higher life is there than that? OffWorld FW: i am trying to get my mind around Maharishi dying. i realize that i think of him as an immortal value. i know that i do not have the same respect for the words of any other source. i more than believe in his status, i have experienced it. he has perplexed me, but i have no question that the technique that he taught me has worked, and i have a level of gratitude for his tradition that i do not have for anything else. as far as i'm concerned, there is no one to replace him. i don't know what it means to be without one's teacher. i am suspecting that it will feel very different. i am assuming that i will feel that there is no ultimate arbitrator, and that will make me feel adrift. that the world has returned to argument only. that the transcendent has lost its best articulator. i don't think that i will feel that Nature speaks english anymore. i will be concerned about losing my way.
[FairfieldLife] What was kind of cute when he was young now sounds retarded...Donovan
Donovan is talking baby talk on Chanel 3 now. The old routine doesn't work anymore. He seems quite pleased with himself and his profound importance in bringing out the knowledge as a troubadour in the West. The Donovan Invincible University song is worse than anything Emily Levin ever came up with. (and that is a high bar to clear) I guess his delusion is better than facing his own musical irrelevance. Of course there was the other option of evolving as an artist. How come when James Taylor sings songs from his youth today,he sounds great. But Donovan sounds like he is off his meds? Maybe its because in between songs James Taylor comes across like a pretty normal guy. Donovan is running the Mr. Roger's thing still while looking like Angela Lansbury after an unfortunate run in with the wind. I remember his innocent anthems back in the day. They were so cute then. I guess it doesn't work without weed. A lot of weed. Even more...not yet. So where is Rick Stanley or Paul Farso. Not famous enough? Dead (I have some vague memory about one of them dying?) Where the F is ZZ Top? Old Donovan is the best artistic expression of the fullness of life? Lameness is not enlightened creativity! There are no other famous meditators willing to step up for MMY? In a way his insipid songs do fit the 6 year old birthday party atmosphere I guess. Now he is repeating Invincible Donovan University, this is HIGH camp.
[FairfieldLife] Moving Forward Together
My apologies if this has already been posted: HYPERLINK http://invincibleamerica.org/invincibleamerica/364C5952.jpg Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. One week ago, on the evening of January 8, in reviewing the progress of his global Movement and surveying the growing signs of peace in the world, Maharishi declared, Invincibility is irreversibly established in the world. My work is done. My designated duty to Guru Dev is fulfilled. He resolved to use all his remaining time to complete his commentary on the Veda. We must all join together in rejoicing with Maharishi in his supreme accomplishment of the ages-the complete transformation of the world from the depths of ignorance and suffering of Kali Yuga to the perpetual sunshine of Sat Yuga-the rule of Natural Law, the Will of God, on Earth. Of course, the very thought of Maharishi retiring from constantly showering us with his precious knowledge and exquisite spiritual and practical guidance is overwhelming. There are no words to describe the deep sense of loss that we all naturally feel. Fortunately, and of great solace, Maharishi has given us everything we need to achieve perfection in life-to realize the Supreme-and to ensure his legacy of a world completely beyond the reach of suffering-Heaven on Earth. Maharishi has made our task simple-to use what he has given us to achieve the permanent transformation of life on Earth. Precious Moment in Our Lives This is a very precious and delicate time of transformation for ourselves, our Movement, and the entire human race. Now is the time to reflect deeply on what is truly important. Until now, we have all had the feeling, to some extent, that Maharishi would take care of everything, that Maharishi was organizing everything-which he truly was. Maharishi would, with or without our help, achieve his precious goals for humankind. Now, with Maharishi's declaration, that time has ended. Maharishi has bestowed upon us the leadership of his Movement. We must, all of us, take ownership of it. He has handed to us the reins of destiny for the human race. We must take hold of those reins. Each and every one of us has a vital role to play. For those who live in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City, your primary role is creating coherence in the Domes. This is crucial for the safety and security of our nation-and indeed for the success of our every Movement initiative. For those who are not yet Yogic Flyers, it means becoming a Sidha and doing the longest program possible. This is the time for the MUM community to pull together and rededicate itself to the permanence of the historic community we have built-the community which is the cornerstone of Maharishi's legacy for America and, to a large extent, for the entire world. For all our other dear Governors and Sidhas throughout the country, your contribution will be to create coherence locally and to play a vital role in supporting and promoting Maharishi's precious knowledge and programs in your area (see below). For our Meditators, I urge you to learn the most advanced and powerful techniques Maharishi has given us, especially Yogic Flying, so that you can accelerate your own growth to enlightenment and contribute most powerfully to the peace and invincibility of our nation. New Leadership for America Prior to Maharishi's retirement, he put into place a very powerful leadership structure for our nation and the world. At the global level, this leadership begins with Maharaja Nader Raam, who most perfectly embodies Maharishi's infinite silence, and whose awareness is so profoundly anchored to Being that he will be a pure and steady guide for our administration of the world. Our Global Prime Minister, Dr. Bevan Morris, is unparalleled in this world for his profound dedication and command of Maharishi's knowledge, and for his extraordinary leadership and organizing ability. And the 12 Global Ministers and the 27 Rajas, whom Maharishi has carefully trained, collectively provide an invincible global leadership for Maharishi's worldwide Movement. At the national level, I was recently blessed by Maharishi with the privilege of serving as the Raja of Invincible America. I have thereby committed my life and my energy to the fulfillment of Maharishi's supreme vision for our nation. Fortunately, I am supported by the most brilliant and dynamic team of national directors the U.S. Movement has ever seen. I am excited about this new leadership, and will be introducing this team to you all very shortly. Gratitude to the US Rajas For
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. Thanks for your thoughts. I suspect I would have ended up with this approach if I had continued with a spiritual orientation. Very interesting. Curtis, stop your singing of the blues, you are an immortal soul. Repent your ways and turn to the light. Your old Quaker Friend, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: [snip] So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation is a nice break in your day. It can help you feel centered which is no small feat in a hustle bustle world. But it isn't worth putting on a golden hat for, is it? I hope others will weigh in. I am especially interested in people who have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the movement. Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement? What am I missing? For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me satisfactorily far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me has absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as the total utter bullshit of the TMO. That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of everything I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity, sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and clear absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I could make a very big list.
[FairfieldLife] Firefly and Battlestar Gallactica meet Supernatural
Right up Turq's alley White Noise 2: The Light stars Nathan Fillion (Firefly) and Katee Sackoff (Battlestar Gallactica) in a supernatural thriller. If you saw White Noise with Michael Keaton this one takes a little different twist in that it is about NDEs as Fillion has one and starts seeing people who are about to die, saves them and suffers the consequences for having messed with their karma. A thought proving film from that aspect. Not a great film but interesting nonetheless. http://imdb.com/title/tt0496436/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
Angela Mailander wrote: Willytex (snipped): Everyone is in a conspiracy to screw Bharat2. There's the Homeland Security van driver, the IRS, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the Border Patrol, all looking to get you, not to mention your neighborhood cop. You're so scared you think a cabal blew up Building 7 at the World Trade center. Go figure. snip And then I have a question for you. Why is it that the phrase You sound really scared is a favored term of disapprobation? I'm pretty good at reading emotion in a text, having spent my life at the study of language. I saw no fear in the original post. Pointing to facts is not tantamount to fear, even if the facts pointed to may have some fearful import. A good reader ought to be able to distinguish things a little better. Especially when I was making fun of the whole situation with Bush's new low approval rating. But we can't expect folks who live under bridges to get that can we? :)
[FairfieldLife] Kucinich decries GE-media conspiracy
General Electric is just the modern version of the British East India Company. They want to own and run everything. http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/jan/15/kucinich-decries-ge-media-conspiracy/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement
Curtis, stop your singing of the blues Giving voice to my humanity IS my light Doug. Not digging my artistic life is no crime. Choose your own music and enjoy it. May I suggest some Donovan. you are an immortal soul. I'll say! Oh wait, I thought you said immoral soul. Sorry, I take that back. Repent your ways and turn to the light. Thanks for the clarification. I've been following the advise of that tiny lady in Poltergeist Turn away from the light... So I am in darkness and you are in light...wait a minute, your post sounds friendly but you are really putting me down! Damn I wish I could sort through these mixed messages quicker! Your old Quaker Friend, -Doug in FF Not if you try words like repent on me and tell me to stop my life's work. Assuming that my life is not as full of value and meaning as yours is about the most unfriendly condescension I can imagine. Doug I'm afraid I can't remember you from my past. Sorry for that. You are welcome to email me if you want to re-connect, but you'll have to knock off the Biblical shit man. I've got no more to repent for than you do. Wait a second...Richard Nixon was a Quaker, Richard is that you talking to me from the light? Richard... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. Thanks for your thoughts. I suspect I would have ended up with this approach if I had continued with a spiritual orientation. Very interesting. Curtis, stop your singing of the blues, you are an immortal soul. Repent your ways and turn to the light. Your old Quaker Friend, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: [snip] So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation is a nice break in your day. It can help you feel centered which is no small feat in a hustle bustle world. But it isn't worth putting on a golden hat for, is it? I hope others will weigh in. I am especially interested in people who have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the movement. Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement? What am I missing? For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me satisfactorily far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me has absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as the total utter bullshit of the TMO. That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of everything I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity, sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and clear absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I could make a very big list.
RE: [FairfieldLife] What was kind of cute when he was young now sounds retarded...Donovan
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What was kind of cute when he was young now sounds retarded...Donovan So where is Rick Stanley or Paul Farso. Not famous enough? Dead (I have some vague memory about one of them dying?) Both are alive and well. Rick is here in town. He makes and plays celtic harps. Paul moved back to San Antonio and I think he writes little commercial tunes. His son is an insightful film critic who writes a column in the Iowa Source. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1226 - Release Date: 1/15/2008 6:19 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What was kind of cute when he was young now sounds retarded...Donovan
So where is Rick Stanley or Paul Farso. Not famous enough? Dead (I have some vague memory about one of them dying?) Both are alive and well. Rick is here in town. He makes and plays celtic harps. Paul moved back to San Antonio and I think he writes little commercial tunes. His son is an insightful film critic who writes a column in the Iowa Source. Thanks for the update Rick! Glad to hear they are doing well. I wore out my Natural Tendency Cassette back in the day. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1226 - Release Date: 1/15/2008 6:19 PM
[FairfieldLife] Physician Warranty of Vaccine Safety
From a friend: Hullo folks, My own doctor sent me this form and I strongly recommend that you read it carefully, as it is an education on the substances currently found in vaccines. Some of you have opted out from vaccines for your children or yourself, but you may wish to keep this on file for your friends if they are concerned about the ingredients. felicidades, Felicia Physician's Warranty of Vaccine Safety I (Physician's name, degree)_, _ am a physician licensed to practice medicine in the State of . My State license number is ___ , and my DEA number is ___. My medical specialty is __ . I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient's name) ___ , age _ , whom I have examined, I find that certain risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them: Risk Factor Vaccination: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers: • aluminum hydroxide • aluminum phosphate • ammonium sulfate • amphotericin B • animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, • dog kidney, monkey kidney, • chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg • calf (bovine) serum • betapropiolactone • fetal bovine serum • formaldehyde • formalin • gelatin • glycerol • human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) • hydrolized gelatin • mercury thimerosol • monosodium glutamate (MSG) • neomycin • neomycin sulfate • phenol red indicator • phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) • potassium diphosphate • potassium monophosphate • polymyxin B • polysorbate 20 • polysorbate 80 • porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein • residual MRC5 proteins • sorbitol • sucrose • tri(n)butylphosphate, • VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and • washed sheep red blood and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. Reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosol causes severe neurological and immunological damage, are not credible. I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian Virus 40 (SV-40) and that SV-40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals. I hereby give my assurance that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby give my assurance that said SV-40 or other viruses pose no substantive risk to my patient.) I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient's name) ___ ___ do not contain any cells from aborted human babies (also known as fetuses). In order to protect my patient's well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants. Steps taken: __ __ __ __ __ I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years. The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A , attached hereto, Physician's Bases for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety. (Please itemize each recommended vaccine separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.) The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician's Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, Scientific Articles in Support of Physician's Warranty of Vaccine Safety. The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where's the heart? (MSAE , Donating to Dharma)
http://www.dharmafoundation.org/ Notice: This domain name expired on 01/10/08 and is pending renewal or deletion On Jan 16, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Who owns the Dharma Foundation? Where is the history of how it spent the funds it has collected in the past? Gimme a URL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A reason why Israel has such influence on US policy
---Precisely, Vaj, and it's freightening that people in the Pentagon believe this crap. Of course, in this scenario the Jews who convert to Christianity are saved, (whether physically alive), or alive then killed by the Anti-Christ. But a remnant of worthy saved Jews, the 144,000; remain on earth to spread the Gospel to the world. The 144,000 are subdivided into the 12 tribes of Israel. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:55 AM, do.rflex wrote: And what pisses me off is when anyone attempts to point this out or to even discuss this issue without immediately taking Israel's side, they are called 'anti-Semitic' or 'Jew haters' as you did above. There have actually been a number of TV comments on this, one a 60 Minutes segment on how an ~85% Christian nation which has grown progressively fundamentalist and tied into the belief that world destiny centers around a return of Jesus, their saviour, as a commander in chief type figure who will return in Israel--by prophetic decree--and slay the non-believers in the real war to end all wars. It's really a rather bizarre scenario: Christians supporting Israel so Jesus can return and then slaughter most of the Jews as Jesus establishes his kingdom. Jesus as cosmic suicide bomber in the sky. Blue-meme republican nut-cases like Bush actually believe this schlock. Haven't you seen the copies of the Left Behind series in racks your local supermarket? Walmart often prominently displays them. See: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml It is my belief that the Bible Belt in America is Israel's only safety belt right now, says Rev. Jerry Falwell, one of the leaders of the Christian Right. That's the bulk of Evangelical Christians; Falwell claims to speak for all of them. There are 70 million of us, he says. And if there's one thing that brings us together quickly it's whenever we begin to detect our government becoming a little anti-Israel. Falwell began to detect just that in April 2002 when President Bush called on Israel to withdraw its tanks from Palestinian towns on the West Bank. So Falwell shot off a letter of protest to the White House, which was followed by a hundred thousand e-mails from Christian conservatives. Israel did not move its tanks. Mr. Bush did not ask again. There's nothing that would bring the wrath of the Christian public in this country down on this government like abandoning or opposing Israel in a critical matter, Falwell says. The Christian public is, he says, Mr. Bush's core constituency. I really believe when the chips are down Ariel Sharon can trust George Bush to do the right thing every time, says Falwell. ...so it all winds up here in Israel where, according to the Book of Revelations, the final battle in the history of the future will be fought on an ancient battlefield in northern Israel called Armageddon. It will follow seven years of tribulation during which the earth will be shaken by such disasters that previous human history will seem like a day in the country. The blood will rise as high as a horse's bridle at Armageddon, before Christ triumphs to begin his 1,000-year rule. And the Jews? Well, two-thirds of them will have been wiped out by now. But the survivors will accept Jesus at last. The Jews die or convert. As a Jew, I can't feel very comfortable with the affections of somebody who looks forward to that scenario, says Gershom Gorenberg, who knows that scenario well. Gorenberg is the author of the End of Days, a book about those Christian evangelicals who choose to read the Bible literally. They don't love real Jewish people. They love us as characters in their story, in their play, and that's not who we are, and we never auditioned for that part, and the play is not one that ends up good for us. If you listen to the drama they're describing, essentially it's a five-act play in which the Jews disappear in the fourth act.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Where's the heart? (MSAE , Donating to Dharma)
Brenda Narducci seems to be the main organizer behind it. I heard she’s pretty careful to make sure the $$ isn’t ripped off. But who knows what happens to it once it ends up in the MSAE coffers. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Where's the heart? (MSAE , Donating to Dharma) HYPERLINK http://www.dharmafoundation.orghttp://www.dharmafoundation.org/ Notice: This domain name expired on 01/10/08 and is pending renewal or deletion Domain ID:D24197414-LROR Domain Name:DHARMAFOUNDATION.ORG Created On:05-Apr-2000 03:24:41 UTC Last Updated On:23-Oct-2007 04:23:24 UTC Expiration Date:05-Apr-2013 03:24:41 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:Wild West Domains, Inc. (R120-LROR) Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Registrant ID:GODA-015986910 Registrant Name:Rick Shaddock Registrant Organization:Registrant Name:Rick Shaddock Registrant Street1:Registrant Organization:C I Corporation Registrant Street1:PO Bo Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Fairfield Registrant State/Province:Iowa Registrant Postal Code:52556 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.6414725830 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX:+1.923660 Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Admin ID:GODA-215986910 Admin Name:Rick Shaddock Admin Organization:C I Corporation Admin Street1:PO Box 1711 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City:Fairfield Admin State/Province:Iowa Admin Postal Code:52556 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.6414725830 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX:+1.923660 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tech ID:GODA-115986910 Tech Name:Domain Registrar Tech Organization:Registercom Tech Street1:575 8th Avenue Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City:New York Tech State/Province:New York Tech Postal Code:10018 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.9027492701 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX:+1.9027492701 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Name Server:NS03.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server:NS04.DOMAINCONTROL.COM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1226 - Release Date: 1/15/2008 6:19 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where's the heart? (MSAE , Donating to Dharma)
The Archer technique at work again. Appear to be very reasonable, discounting fears of a rip-off, but then try to knee-cap the school in the last sentence, with, of course, no evidence at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brenda Narducci seems to be the main organizer behind it. I heard she's pretty careful to make sure the $$ isn't ripped off. But who knows what happens to it once it ends up in the MSAE coffers. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Where's the heart? (MSAE , Donating to Dharma) HYPERLINK http://www.dharmafoundation.orghttp://www.dharmafoundation.org/ Notice: This domain name expired on 01/10/08 and is pending renewal or deletion Domain ID:D24197414-LROR Domain Name:DHARMAFOUNDATION.ORG Created On:05-Apr-2000 03:24:41 UTC Last Updated On:23-Oct-2007 04:23:24 UTC Expiration Date:05-Apr-2013 03:24:41 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:Wild West Domains, Inc. (R120-LROR) Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Registrant ID:GODA-015986910 Registrant Name:Rick Shaddock Registrant Organization:Registrant Name:Rick Shaddock Registrant Street1:Registrant Organization:C I Corporation Registrant Street1:PO Bo Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Fairfield Registrant State/Province:Iowa Registrant Postal Code:52556 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.6414725830 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX:+1.923660 Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Admin ID:GODA-215986910 Admin Name:Rick Shaddock Admin Organization:C I Corporation Admin Street1:PO Box 1711 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City:Fairfield Admin State/Province:Iowa Admin Postal Code:52556 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.6414725830 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX:+1.923660 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tech ID:GODA-115986910 Tech Name:Domain Registrar Tech Organization:Registercom Tech Street1:575 8th Avenue Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City:New York Tech State/Province:New York Tech Postal Code:10018 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.9027492701 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX:+1.9027492701 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Name Server:NS03.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server:NS04.DOMAINCONTROL.COM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1226 - Release Date: 1/15/2008 6:19 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement
On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:59 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Not if you try words like repent on me and tell me to stop my life's work. Assuming that my life is not as full of value and meaning as yours is about the most unfriendly condescension I can imagine. Doug I'm afraid I can't remember you from my past. Sorry for that. You are welcome to email me if you want to re-connect, but you'll have to knock off the Biblical shit man. I've got no more to repent for than you do. Wait a second...Richard Nixon was a Quaker, Richard is that you talking to me from the light? Richard... That does it, Curtis. I'm channeling Jerry Falwell right now and asking him to permanently revoke your Heavenly Dome Badge. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
---Thanks, Guru Deb (SBS) appeared to me in a powerful, brilliant dream in 1988 and initiated me into a Durga manta. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you think that the Adi Shankaracharya of Sringeri not only initiated disciples into Sri Vidya practices, but said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the peetha. And, as noted, not by householders, but by Swamis. So, let's go figure. There is a shrine to Shankara at the Sri Vidya temple down in Kanchipuram peeth, wherein lies the Sri Cakra or Sri Yantra. And, the Swami Rama of the Himalayas recounted in his book, 'Living With the Himalyan Masters', a direct, first hand account of Guru Dev having a Sri Yantra in his possession at a yoga camp. So, is EVERYONE in the Shankaracharya tradition deluded? Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Does this mean the past Shankaracharyas, as well as the current ones, ascribed to a tantric cult? Is it a fact that the Adi Shankara installed an IDOL of a Goddess on a Sri Cakra (Sri Yantra) as the MAIN DEITY of the Sringeri Matha? Apparently, the 33rd Shankaracharya of the Sringeri Matha died before he could give all the initiations to the 34th, his successor. However, the 33rd is reputed to have said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the Peetha. According to an authority on the subject, normally the Srividya mantropadesa would be done by the guru, but Narasimha Bharati had passed away before his disciple arrived at Sringeri. Hence the mantropadesa was done by Srikanta Sastri. He had been initiated into it by Narasimha Bharati Mahaswami the 34th. The Pontiff's reign was from 1912 to 1953, so he was a contemporary of Guru Dev. The 33rd. was Sri Narasimha Bharati Mahaswami, making him a contemporary of Guru Dev's Guru, Swami Krishanand. Mystic and Seer And, isn't it a fact that the principal deity, Saradambal, the Goddess of Learning, is a focus of a mighty spiritual force? According to my informant, Saradamba, by all legendary accounts, is a deity of Kashmir who was literally brought down to the south of India by Adi Shankara. He installed the idol made of sandalwood on a Sri Chakra drawn by himself. So, here we have Shankara installing an IDOL of a Goddess on a Sri Cakra (Sri Yantra) as the MAIN DEITY of the math! Indeed! Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy And, here we have a totally discredited and false history of the Kanchi matha, with claims that a Shankara founded the Matha BEFORE the historical Buddha was even born, and a direct disciple of Guru Dev who claims that Guru Dev never used any bija-mantras for devotional or self-knowledge purposes, and that Guru Dev was a Rasik Saint who never taught Adwaita in the first place, because he didn't have a Brahman thingy. So, I guess we will just have to go figure, you know what I mean? But it doesn't make much sense to say that Guru Dev didn't have a Brahman thingy when his name was Swami Brahmanand. Work cited: The True History of India by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Barsana Dham, Austin, Texas Read the full post: 'Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy' http://tinyurl.com/yzjfsv
[FairfieldLife] LB's Show
L B Shriver’s show on HYPERLINK http://kruufm.com/http://kruufm.com/ right now. Click on the “Listen to our Live Stream” link on the left. Always interesting. Rick Archer President SearchSummit HYPERLINK http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=1108+S.+B+St.csz=Fairfield% 2C+IA+52556-3805country=us \n1108 S. B St. Fairfield, IA 52556-3805 HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: fax: Skype ID: HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=641-472-9336Email=r [EMAIL PROTECTED] \n641-472-9336 914-470-9336 Rick_Archer HYPERLINK https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=25769982909v0=356483k0=1251699766v1=35648 4k1=804482755src=client_sig_212_1_card_joininvite=1 \nAlways have my latest info HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig; \nWant a signature like this? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1226 - Release Date: 1/15/2008 6:19 PM image001.gif
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement
-You're absolutely right on target!. Now, the TM Movement, (what's left of it), is berift of both real science and religion. All that remains is those phoney birthday Raja hats. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last few days have really been helpful for me to get a look at what the modern movement is like. Being an outsider for the last 18 years, I have only gotten small glimpses of what goes on in the movement through print mostly. To have a chance to watch a celebration? online has been very instructive. Of course the movement is much more diverse than this event, but looking at the people at the top of the heap does give some insight into what its all about. At one point there was a song presented by Mother Divine singers where they basically repeated some of the names of Mother Divine. To get back to the perspective that they were talking about laws of nature seems like a long trek... Oh gravity, I love you so,you are divine from your head to your toe... These chicks were religiously devoted to Mother Divine as a living deity, period. Of course this has been going on undercover for years, but hearing it at such a public event offered some insight into the way it works for the movement now. You are either on board or off now. There is less of the sneakiness that I used to rail about when I first left the movement. You can't put your crazy uncle with the crown in the closet when guests come anymore. There was a lot of discussions by Rajas of all the land the movement bought around the world. Because it was in the background most of the time while I puttered around it often seemed like a real estate investor's convention. There was very little discussion of knowledge. These old dudes were talking acquisitions, land, building projects. I expected to have the Raja of county building permits step up to the mike at any moment. They seemed like a lot of rich guys whose conversations I overhear in posh restaurants in DC. Fat guys crowing about their stuff, and more stuff, and the plans for even more stuff, pass the mashed potatoes and don't forget the gravy. For God sake, don't forget the gravy. I think that the Indianization of TM has really torpedoed MMY's original goal of spreading meditation. It was inevitable because I believe that MMY was really just pretending to respect science for a while. He was only using it as a superficial cover for introducing his religious beliefs into Western culture. Now this isn't troubling for me really because I am a fan of studying religions. But the problem for me is that something else has been lost. That something else is a sincere desire to study meditation techniques to understand our humanity better. The spirit of brave exploration has been replaced with a glossy brochure explaining what it all means in basically fundamentalist Hindu terms. I am sort of thinking of Judy's perspective on what she knows and what she doesn't know from her meditation experiences. She seems pretty clear on drawing her own lines. I have to figure that she is not alone in practicing TM and not buying the whole belief package. Maintaining a wait as see attitude about some of the more extravigant claims. But overshadowing this approach is the 6 year old's birthday party with the silly hats...Guys like Heiglin gave up his science, chucked it willingly. And he was a physics badass in the day right? Tony nosejob Nadar throws out his science background to become Nadar Raj, WTF? He bought into a complete explanation from a traditional perspective instead of continuing the humble search for answers. He sold his intellectual integrity for a party hat. This may be the reason he gets such a rise out of me. He knew better. So these are just thoughts in progress. This is an interesting time to re-think the TM group and MMY. In his address I really got the impression that MMY has been winging it all. He just threw out his stuff and reacted to the world's interest. He keeps talking about his constant working. It is a theme for him, always has been. Tireless working is the highest virtue in his universe, and you find that out pretty quickly if you try to hang with him. He has always been a human doing, not a human being. A whirlwind of poorly planned new projects crushing old projects before any of them had a chance to work. In India he changed his mind every day about what we should be focusing on. We thought it was sooo cute and enlightened. Now I honestly believe the guy is seriously ADD and a little ritalin might have saved people around him a lot of pain. Lip service paid to knowledge, but never the patience to really develop thoughts beyond what could be put on a poster of slogans. MMY has always been a sloganeer,not a careful thinker IMO. Couldn't even finish the Gita commentary for God's sake! The
[FairfieldLife] The 'Decider' is also the 'Warner'
Image: http://www.bartcop.com/persian-tonkin.jpg Real threat - This time For Sure!: http://www.bartcop.com/fire-on-mickey.jpg The USA's 16 intelligence agencies conclude in the National Intelligence Estimate that Iran gave up any nuclear weapons program in 2003? Naah. In public, President Bush has been careful to reassure Israel and other allies that he still sees Iran as a threat, while not disavowing his administration's recent National Intelligence Estimate. That NIE, made public Dec. 3, embarrassed the administration by concluding that Tehran had halted its weapons program in 2003, which seemed to undermine years of bellicose rhetoric from Bush and other senior officials about Iran's nuclear ambitions. But in private conversations with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert last week, the president all but disowned the document, said a senior administration official who accompanied Bush on his six-nation trip to the Mideast. He told the Israelis that he can't control what the intelligence community says, but that [the NIE's] conclusions don't reflect his own views about Iran's nuclear-weapons program, said the official, who would discuss intelligence matters only on the condition of anonymity. http://www.newsweek.com/id/91673
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda in that connection. Huh? When MMY is dying they are talking about extending live to 160 years?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
I remember the first time they had all these big health gurus come to bless us in the dome -- to a man they were at death's door -- creepy, creaky, big brained, running on empty, skeletons selling black mush at $50 a jar. It may have been my tipping point -- I was after physical immortality by following these guys? Not that walking into any American restaurant gives me any greater hope for survivial. Ever walk into a restaurant and see only morbidly obese folks and then gone right ahead and ordered the same grease, paste and sugar they were gobbling down? I am red faced. But at least I'm not a war monger and not raising funds for a thug. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda in that connection. Huh? When MMY is dying they are talking about extending live to 160 years?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
Duveyoung wrote: Go take a flying fuck. Get used to it, Ed, I've got over 8,000 more messages to post. All the Gods fight and have wars, Ed, just like people do. Haven't you heard of the Bharata war in the Gita? You're supposed to stand up and fight, not slink away from a debate like you do. Even the Buddha was a warrior. Pacifism is suicide - it's not for this age. You've got to fight for what you believe in, otherwise you are doomed, Sir. It is a terrible tragedy that any child should be killed in a war, but you can't seem to rationally debate this issue because you've got an obvious ideological bias against the U.S. and the Bush Administration. But you don't object at all to the killing of unborn children. You just want to ignore that issue and blame Bush for fighting the War Against the Terrorists and trying to save the children in Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, child deaths in Iraq have dropped by two thirds since the Iraq invasion. But, because of your bias, there's probably no way that you would ever accept the idea that war can save the lives of children. Why won't you fight to save the children from the evil empires? We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. - John F. Kennedy In my opinion, Saddam alone is responsible for Iraq's humanitarian crisis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving Forward Together - U.S. Rajas new role- 8 foreign countries each
Looks like Hagelin will be announcing a team of U.S. national directors (Bobby Roth, included, no doubt, as well as others, probably from the MUM Institute for Science and Technology). Someone has agreed to finance an increase in MUM's enrollment. (The new MUM students will probably come from Central and South America - a progression of the recent large- scale movement activities in that part of the world recently. Hagelin noted that Maharishi assigned the 12 U.S. Rajas' to foreign countries - 8 foreign countries each. Although the U.S. Rajas have kindly agreed to offer continuing guidance for projects already begun in their (former ?) U.S. domains, by necessity, the U.S. Rajas' focus will shift to the foreign countries. I wonder how well that plan is going to go down... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies if this has already been posted: HYPERLINK http://invincibleamerica.org/invincibleamerica/364C5952.jpg Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. One week ago, on the evening of January 8, in reviewing the progress of his global Movement and surveying the growing signs of peace in the world, Maharishi declared, Invincibility is irreversibly established in the world. My work is done. My designated duty to Guru Dev is fulfilled. He resolved to use all his remaining time to complete his commentary on the Veda. We must all join together in rejoicing with Maharishi in his supreme accomplishment of the ages-the complete transformation of the world from the depths of ignorance and suffering of Kali Yuga to the perpetual sunshine of Sat Yuga-the rule of Natural Law, the Will of God, on Earth. Of course, the very thought of Maharishi retiring from constantly showering us with his precious knowledge and exquisite spiritual and practical guidance is overwhelming. There are no words to describe the deep sense of loss that we all naturally feel. Fortunately, and of great solace, Maharishi has given us everything we need to achieve perfection in life-to realize the Supreme-and to ensure his legacy of a world completely beyond the reach of suffering-Heaven on Earth. Maharishi has made our task simple-to use what he has given us to achieve the permanent transformation of life on Earth. Precious Moment in Our Lives This is a very precious and delicate time of transformation for ourselves, our Movement, and the entire human race. Now is the time to reflect deeply on what is truly important. Until now, we have all had the feeling, to some extent, that Maharishi would take care of everything, that Maharishi was organizing everything-which he truly was. Maharishi would, with or without our help, achieve his precious goals for humankind. Now, with Maharishi's declaration, that time has ended. Maharishi has bestowed upon us the leadership of his Movement. We must, all of us, take ownership of it. He has handed to us the reins of destiny for the human race. We must take hold of those reins. Each and every one of us has a vital role to play. For those who live in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City, your primary role is creating coherence in the Domes. This is crucial for the safety and security of our nation-and indeed for the success of our every Movement initiative. For those who are not yet Yogic Flyers, it means becoming a Sidha and doing the longest program possible. This is the time for the MUM community to pull together and rededicate itself to the permanence of the historic community we have built-the community which is the cornerstone of Maharishi's legacy for America and, to a large extent, for the entire world. For all our other dear Governors and Sidhas throughout the country, your contribution will be to create coherence locally and to play a vital role in supporting and promoting Maharishi's precious knowledge and programs in your area (see below). For our Meditators, I urge you to learn the most advanced and powerful techniques Maharishi has given us, especially Yogic Flying, so that you can accelerate your own growth to enlightenment and contribute most powerfully to the peace and invincibility of our nation. New Leadership for America Prior to Maharishi's retirement, he put into place a very powerful leadership structure for our nation and the world. At the global level, this leadership begins with Maharaja Nader Raam, who most perfectly embodies Maharishi's infinite silence, and whose awareness is so profoundly anchored to Being that he will be a pure and steady guide for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: You'd think the US was just teaming with terrorists ready to blow up everything. You sound really scared. Everyone is in a conspiracy to screw Bharat2. There's the Homeland Security van driver, the IRS, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the Border Patrol, all looking to get you, not to mention your neighborhood cop. You're so scared you think a cabal blew up Building 7 at the World Trade center. Go figure. Oh, I forgot, they think that anyone who doesn't like Bush is a terrorist. Yeah, you think there's a terrorist under your bed, I guess. You must be looking forward to big government to act as daddy for you to watch everything you do, change your diapers and put a chip in your head to make sure you can't even meditate anymore.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 'Decider' is also the 'Warner'
John wrote: The USA's 16 intelligence agencies conclude in the National Intelligence Estimate that Iran gave up any nuclear weapons program in 2003? So, you're thinking that for the past eighteen years Iran had a secret nuclear weapons program but in 2003 they gave it up? But for all of those eighteen years Iran denied having a nuclear weapons program. So, what's to prevent Iran from starting it up again? It has also long been clear that Iraq is merely a front in wider regional and indeed, global war. Iran declared war on the west in 1979, when Ayatollah Khomeini announced his intention of conquering the west for Islam. The response of the west has been to ignore the fact that war was thus declared upon it, as was demonstrated by attacks upon it ever since by Iran along with the Sunni/Wahhabi Islamists, who were both its deadly theological rivals for regional hegemony and at the same time its allies in the war against the free world. Read more: 'The war against the free world' Posted by Melanie Phillips: http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1429
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
Bhairitu wrote: You must be looking forward to big government to act as daddy for you Hey, aren't you the guy that wants government paid universal health care and Social Security? to watch everything you do, change your diapers and put a chip in your head to make sure you can't even meditate anymore. No, I just want your government to stop the illegal aliens from coming in, since that's the job of government to do that. The Dems have been in control of the government for how long now? And how many aliens have entered the U.S. illegally during that time? But how are you going to stop your neighbor from watching everything you do and snapping your picture with his cell phone cam? It's your little brother that is your Big Brother now. You own a cam and like to take pictures right? Everything you do is recorded these days. Are you trying to conceal something? Bhairitu wrote: You'd think the US was just teaming with terrorists ready to blow up everything. Richard J. Williams wrote: You sound really scared. Everyone is in a conspiracy to screw Bharat2. There's the Homeland Security van driver, the IRS, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the Border Patrol, all looking to get you, not to mention your neighborhood cop. You're so scared you think a cabal blew up Building 7 at the World Trade center. Go figure. Oh, I forgot, they think that anyone who doesn't like Bush is a terrorist. Yeah, you think there's a terrorist under your bed, I guess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What was kind of cute when he was young now sounds retarded...Donovan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now he is repeating Invincible Donovan University, this is HIGH camp. Oh dear. This song is so terrible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Physician Warranty of Vaccine Safety
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: Hullo folks, My own doctor sent me this form and I strongly recommend that you read it carefully, as it is an education on the substances currently found in vaccines. Some of you have opted out from vaccines for your children or yourself, but you may wish to keep this on file for your friends if they are concerned about the ingredients. felicidades, Felicia Oh my. First of all, the physician's warranty is obviously something prepared by the anti-vaccine crowd. No physician would sign anything like this and it is silly to put them in the position of having to give a long explanation of why this is inappropriate. Vaccines have been one of the greatest life savers of modern times. The anti-vaccine people should worry more about their food supply and cleaning products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
Duveyoung wrote: But at least I'm not a war monger and not raising funds for a thug. Apparently the U.N. Iraq embargo itself contributed to more than 100,000 deaths in Iraq by 1990. One report said that malnutrition alone led to 53 percent of deaths among hospitalized children. Thousands of children were saved by the invasion of Serbia where Serbian snipers were shooting children in the legs and using them as bait to bring their parents within range. In Rwanda and the Congo, there were more than 3 million dead in that nation's civil war and nobody did a thing to try and stop it under the Clinton Administration. What about the thousands of children killed by the Tigers of Tamil Elam in Sri Lanka? Why aren't you complaining about that, Ed? Oh, I get it - thousands of people die at the hands of a bin Laden, a Saddam Hussien or a Milosevic, but George W. Bush is your enemy. Kosovo War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War
[FairfieldLife] Re: Physician Warranty of Vaccine Safety
One more point. The list of ingredients is highly deceptive. For example, formaldehyde is listed. Everyone seems to be afraid of formaldehyde. Yes, a trace of formaldehyde from vaccine prep may be found. But what people don't realize is that formaldehyde is necessary for metabolism and is found in our blood in higher concentrations than you will get from a vaccine. OK, end medical rant.
[FairfieldLife] Neutrality, percipience, and non-agency
Cessation, nirodha in Sanskrit, is a key word used by Shakya the Muni and pain is another (dukkha) key concept found in the sayings of Buddha. Both are mentioned in Buddha's Eightfold Path and the Twelvefold Chain of Causation. Sri Kapila: And from the contrast with that which is composed of the three constituents, there follows, for the Purusha, the character of Being, a witness; freedom from misery, neutrality, percipience, and non-agency. We can deduce from this that the historical Buddha was much influenced by the Sankhya philosophy. Sankhya may be the original dualistic doctrine, which in turn might be based on the Vedic concept of a battle between opposing forces. Apparently Sankhya was also the predominant doctrine of the Avesta. Sankhya is perhaps the root doctrine of all Indian philosophy as well as of the Tao and of Manichaeism. The non-agency is the interplay of the gunas born of nature that issues the appearance of creation, and as Sri Kapila states: Change implies something to change; whatever is, always is, and whatever is not, never is. Based on this teaching, Sri Pantanjali wisely refrained from attributing the existence of prakriti to the creation of any Purusha. According to Indian philosophy, Purusha, the Transcendental Person, and prakriti, nature, is an eternal cyclic dualism, based on the law of causation. Yoga is the *isolation* of the Pursuha. Marshy has said the Being is totally separate from the relative nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where's the heart? (MSAE , Donating to Dharma)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, Try calming down a bit. First, it wasn't me who supplied the URL, it was Vaj, who apparently gave the wrong one. I have just accessed it myself at dharmafound.org/. So try getting your facts right before you post your ridiculous, abusive, obscene rants. No meat at the www.dharmafound.org website. The most recent information regarding scholarship money is from the late 1990s, with this statement: In its first year, 1997-98, K-Ph.D. Scholarship fund awarded approximately $78,000 to 62 students. These awards have enabled many students to attend Consciousness-Based schools or participate in courses in Consciousness-Based technologies. Projected need for the 1998-99 school year is $100,000. Certainly this site is not an effective fund raising tool. Feste, rather than being defensive about fund raising efforts, it would be nice to at least appreciate the issues people have with transparency and with decisions that do not seem to make sense, like the school uniforms.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Could someone kindly translate Joytish speak into English
Thank you kindly. Now I would posit that the 8 day period which spans this yagna is happening during one of the most auspicious times in recorded history. Could someone kindly reveal to us just what this period is considered in terms of Jyotish? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surya is the Sanskrit name for the Sun. A pratyantar dasha is the third
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching Maharishi Channel. Some Indian guy is speaking about a new rasaayana, that is supposed to extend ones life to about 160(?) years. Contains e.g. gold bhasma, silver bhasma, iron bhasma, or stuff. He mentioned a verse from Yajur-veda in that connection. Huh? When MMY is dying they are talking about extending live to 160 years? BTW, Indians believe that if you misuse certain siddhis you may wind up living beyond your time though not in good health. As far as extending life (in good health) it is a very common sense thing of keeping tonification therapy ahead of reduction therapy when it comes to ayurveda. We start moving down the road to death as vata starts drying us up and tonification helps to reduce vata.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: You must be looking forward to big government to act as daddy for you Hey, aren't you the guy that wants government paid universal health care and Social Security? We paid it so we should get our Social Security. Big business health has soiled their nest and need to pay for it. So we regulate them. Do you want that done on a state level? Fine with me but then please transfer my social security funds to the state to pay me though I don't trust Ahnuld at all. to watch everything you do, change your diapers and put a chip in your head to make sure you can't even meditate anymore. No, I just want your government to stop the illegal aliens from coming in, since that's the job of government to do that. The Dems have been in control of the government for how long now? And how many aliens have entered the U.S. illegally during that time? Could also be the job of your state government too. It's BushCo that hasn't done anything on immigration reform but then we know they want Canada, the US and Mexico to be one big country and I'm sure you're in favor of that. But how are you going to stop your neighbor from watching everything you do and snapping your picture with his cell phone cam? It's your little brother that is your Big Brother now. You own a cam and like to take pictures right? Everything you do is recorded these days. That's one way to bore somebody. And it would be extremely boring to take videos of my neighbors. But then maybe you have some twenty-something young ladies next door you'd like to make videos of. :) Are you trying to conceal something? Yup, my bank account so you can't raid it for one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
This reply below is so sick that I cannot justify taking my time to argue with this monster of denial. Anyone else want to take a turn at whipping this creep? America put Saddam in office and now Richard is telling us that we're killing less children than Saddam so that makes our war's dead kids acceptable? Sick sick sick. Richard you truly are deviant - a broken personality. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Go take a flying fuck. Get used to it, Ed, I've got over 8,000 more messages to post. All the Gods fight and have wars, Ed, just like people do. Haven't you heard of the Bharata war in the Gita? You're supposed to stand up and fight, not slink away from a debate like you do. Even the Buddha was a warrior. Pacifism is suicide - it's not for this age. You've got to fight for what you believe in, otherwise you are doomed, Sir. It is a terrible tragedy that any child should be killed in a war, but you can't seem to rationally debate this issue because you've got an obvious ideological bias against the U.S. and the Bush Administration. But you don't object at all to the killing of unborn children. You just want to ignore that issue and blame Bush for fighting the War Against the Terrorists and trying to save the children in Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, child deaths in Iraq have dropped by two thirds since the Iraq invasion. But, because of your bias, there's probably no way that you would ever accept the idea that war can save the lives of children. Why won't you fight to save the children from the evil empires? We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. - John F. Kennedy In my opinion, Saddam alone is responsible for Iraq's humanitarian crisis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shataayuurasaayana (sp??)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We start moving down the road to death as vata starts drying us up and tonification helps to reduce vata. I recommend K-Y Jelly. ;)
[FairfieldLife] A new TM Movement?
When Prime Minister of the world John Hegalin informed us last night (7:47 PM FF time) in public of the retirement of Maharishi and other things in private earlier in the day which revealed even more (don't ask, it will come to pass), we're looking at a Movement, but we're also looking at a new spiritual leader (Nader) and expansion (by private funds, I assume) of the theocracy, we're looking at large potential changes. Of course we don't have a single peer reviewed study that passes muster because of lack of control groups, double blind groups and groups of statistical significance. And the brain wave coherence was dismissed by Nova and legitimate scientists when it was first discussed and all since then as games you can play with Fast Fourier Transforms. Perhaps the theocracy will apply a less strident non-Indian orientation to things and we'll get real research. Or perhaps we'll abandon research now that we have a king and His Kingdom. It's all up for grabs and since I declared that Maharishi will leave us in 2012, I've left the profession of being a soothsayer. The highpoint of my life as a participant with but not a member of the TM hierarchy was during the Taste of Utopia when the Minister of Cultural Integrety for the United States, a stunning natural blonde young woman dressed in a sari (HAHAHAHA) got up and made a speech. I spoke with many people and I had to really jab them to get them to understand that there was something wrong with this picture. Now things might happen. My landlady slipped and told me about a schism and then unsaid it, months ago. I threw the question to Rick Archer what you call a Kingdom where all the peasants have moved to another country. No matter, you might want to watch or visit USAtoday.com, CNN.com, BBC.com and other such news sites over the next week or maybe the next 10 days. As a Catholic who walks among Catholics I am seeking to acquire rosaries so that we may together say the rosary in my residence. Catholicism was our first religion and it is proper that we do this right now. I love you all and I love and accept myself and I perceive that I am you, you are me, all is glorious and golden and all this is that. I thank you all for taking the time to read this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A new TM Movement?
On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:08 PM, The Secret wrote: And the brain wave coherence was dismissed by Nova Could you direct me to a link for this claim? Of course Neuroscientists in general ignored the alleged coherence since it was really, truly statistically insignificant--although it's still used to promote courses, etc. by the TMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Schizophrenic TM movement
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He [MMY, Bevan, John, Tony, etc.] sold his intellectual integrity for a party hat. Jesus, that whole post was great, Curtis, but this line is perfect. Or maybe we should parphrase the oft said line attributed to Guru Dev by MMY: You sold a diamond for the price of spinach. Intersting how when asked about the TMO, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar said (and I paraphrase), You know those pictures that have the huge ornate frames around them? Sometimes the frame becomes way too much for the picture. The simplicity is lost. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: A reason why Israel has such influence on US policy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what pisses me off is when anyone attempts to point this out or to even discuss this issue without immediately taking Israel's side, they are called 'anti-Semitic' or 'Jew haters' as you did above. *** Please waste somebody else's time...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A reason why Israel has such influence on US policy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: And what pisses me off is when anyone attempts to point this out or to even discuss this issue without immediately taking Israel's side, they are called 'anti-Semitic' or 'Jew haters' as you did above. *** Please waste somebody else's time... LOL! The guilty scream the loudest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
Duveyoung wrote: Anyone else want to take a turn at whipping this creep? We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. - John F. Kennedy Much has been said and written by his foes about how the foreign policy of U.S. President George W. Bush has alienated what should be a host of American allies in Europe. Recent elections in Britain, Germany and France, however, have produced national leaders who have been outspoken in expressing their American sympathies, and a recent survey shows that the world overwhelmingly still wants America to play a key role in world affairs. Read more: 'Putin in Europe's Legal Crosshairs' Posted by by Kim Zigfeld Pajamas Media, January 16, 2008 http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/putin_in_the_dock.php
[FairfieldLife] Re: A reason why Israel has such influence on US policy
John wrote: The guilty scream the loudest. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: John Manning Date: Thurs, Oct 30 2003 9:22 pm Subject: OT: For Muslim hater Delia http://tinyurl.com/2vs7lq For Muslim hater Delia Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Delia Date: Thurs, Oct 30 2003 11:40 pm Subject: Re: OT: For Muslim hater Delia http://tinyurl.com/2vs7lq You really are a clueless dumbfuck, aren't you? Once more time, John, slow enough so that even your low-speed synapses should be able to get it: It's not about Muslims. It's about *radical* Muslims. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Judy Stein Date: Fri, Oct 31 2003 8:40 am Subject: Re: For Muslim hater Delia http://tinyurl.com/2vs7lq Don't play coy with me, you contemptible dork. I've had more than my fill of sleazy hypocritical right-wing scum this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Work is Finished, kind of reminded me of one of the versions of Christ's last words on the cross, It is finished. Which is probably more apt in this situation! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new TM Movement?
Sorry, I don't collect such links. I've just read over the years and actually went through the methodology and math myself having enough math to have proclaimed bullshit. That was many years ago when I did that. BTW, I wish I could edit my post. The actual time of the email from the World Prime Minister was 7:45 PM FF time. I am minding my own business so cannot comment about other times. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:08 PM, The Secret wrote: And the brain wave coherence was dismissed by Nova Could you direct me to a link for this claim? Of course Neuroscientists in general ignored the alleged coherence since it was really, truly statistically insignificant--although it's still used to promote courses, etc. by the TMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new TM Movement?
On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:54 PM, The Secret wrote: Sorry, I don't collect such links. I've just read over the years and actually went through the methodology and math myself having enough math to have proclaimed bullshit. That was many years ago when I did that. Well if you mean Nova the PBS science program, if you could give a title of the episode, it's theme or it's approximate year, I could find it myself. Can you recall any of these? BTW, I wish I could edit my post. The actual time of the email from the World Prime Minister was 7:45 PM FF time. I am minding my own business so cannot comment about other times. I don't believe posts are editable on the web site, just delete-able. So you would have the option to delete the previous post and then post the correct version (if it's really that important).
[FairfieldLife] Presentation of the transcript of MMY's jan 12 message
HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_KnyD0mOI; \nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_KnyD0mOI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1226 - Release Date: 1/15/2008 6:19 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
But there actually was molten steel in the basement for weeks, wasn't there?
- Original Message
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like
China in the surveillance dept
On Jan 16, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
Why don't you read up on the physics of how a building can collapse onto its
own footprint at near free-fall speed? Or on what temperature it takes to melt
steel as compared to the temperature at which jet fuel burns.
Take a Strength of Materials engineering course and what you'll find is it's
not about melting steel, esp. in the case of the unique construction of the
WTC. What it is about is loosing their structural integrity. Long before steel
melts, it looses it's structural integrity. A mere 300 degree difference in
temp can cause steel beams to permanently distort. Of course the temps in the
WTC were significantly above that temp.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain. I believe he is in great pain. I sense it. It's obvious when he speaks. I also sense little strokes going on. But this has been going on for a decade at least. I am deeply honored by the way this man has chosen to go into the final silence. I am honored to be where I am, doing what I'm doing during this wonderous time. All will be revealed soon. We have entered a period of honoring this great man (even those of us who didn't think he was great before, we are humbled by his final actions) and we calculate the days. Don't worry, just adore. Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. If you follow a religion which has a rite of passage into silence, now might be a good time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there actually was molten steel in the basement for weeks, wasn't there? 13. Why did the NIST investigation not consider reports of molten steel in the wreckage from the WTC towers? NIST investigators and experts from the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY)who inspected the WTC steel at the WTC site and the salvage yardsfound no evidence that would support the melting of steel in a jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers prior to collapse. The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing. NIST considered the damage to the steel structure and its fireproofing caused by the aircraft impact and the subsequent fires when the buildings were still standing since that damage was responsible for initiating the collapse of the WTC towers. Under certain circumstances it is conceivable for some of the steel in the wreckage to have melted after the buildings collapsed. Any molten steel in the wreckage was more likely due to the high temperature resulting from long exposure to combustion within the pile than to short exposure to fires or explosions while the buildings were standing. http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kucinich decries GE-media conspiracy
go figure. GE was just as guilty in the rise of Hitler as was I. G. Farben.
- Original Message
From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:50:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Kucinich decries GE-media conspiracy
General Electric is just the modern version of the British East
India
Company. They want to own and run everything.
http://www.lasvegas sun.com/blogs/ early-line/ 2008/jan/ 15/kucinich-
decries-ge- media-conspiracy /
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A new TM Movement?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if you mean Nova the PBS science program, if you could give a title of the episode, it's theme or it's approximate year, I could find it myself. Can you recall any of these? BTW, I wish I could edit my post. The actual time of the email from the World Prime Minister was 7:45 PM FF time. I am minding my own business so cannot comment about other times. I don't believe posts are editable on the web site, just delete-able. So you would have the option to delete the previous post and then post the correct version (if it's really that important). I'm sorry, but I don't pay much attention to dates. I know at the time Jane Hopson and Russel Hebert where chairs of the Houston TM Center, it was around the time of the first sidha assembly in Livingston manner which shook us up and shook up the world. Two 747s collided at the Paris Airport, a liquified methane or petroleum gas tank exploded on the beach in Spain and many leaders died, were deposed, I believe a Pope died. We were watching SNL demonstration of the trout-o-mattic and Candice Borland responded at a prep course I was on in Galveston that of course the producer of Nova would have high brainwave coherence because he was, after all, a producer and therefore highly evolved (and she had a recent Ph.D. in experimental psychology from UT and knew how to do a truly scientific experiment and how to do the statistics, and she said something like that?). Perhaps the year and even date will pop up during a program, as things often do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
Child deaths have dropped by two thirds since the invasion? What is your
source for this?
- Original Message
From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:02:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and his Brahman thingy
Duveyoung wrote:
Go take a flying fuck.
Get used to it, Ed, I've got over 8,000 more
messages to post.
All the Gods fight and have wars, Ed, just like
people do. Haven't you heard of the Bharata war
in the Gita? You're supposed to stand up and
fight, not slink away from a debate like you do.
Even the Buddha was a warrior. Pacifism is suicide
- it's not for this age. You've got to fight for
what you believe in, otherwise you are doomed,
Sir.
It is a terrible tragedy that any child should be
killed in a war, but you can't seem to rationally
debate this issue because you've got an obvious
ideological bias against the U.S. and the Bush
Administration. But you don't object at all to
the killing of unborn children. You just want to
ignore that issue and blame Bush for fighting the
War Against the Terrorists and trying to save the
children in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In fact, child deaths in Iraq have dropped by two
thirds since the Iraq invasion.
But, because of your bias, there's probably no
way that you would ever accept the idea that war
can save the lives of children. Why won't you fight
to save the children from the evil empires?
We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any
hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in
order to assure the survival and the success of
liberty. - John F. Kennedy
In my opinion, Saddam alone is responsible for
Iraq's humanitarian crisis.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: But there actually was molten steel in the basement for weeks, wasn't there? I believe so. There are huge sets of other factors involved in the mechanics of such a huge collapse that could very likely contribute in some manner to condition where the originally merely pliable (I've heard estimates that the initial collapse, the steel had already lost 80% of it's material strength). Imagine a straw between two very thick books and putting a small weight in the center: when that straw bends loose, it has somewhat of a spring effect, like a leaf spring being suddenly released. Such a force could theoretically propel the floors above more rapidly than the usual inertia might allow--thereby accelerating the fall of the floors. And who could calculate the incredible numbers of variables in the ensuing fall: jet fuel, gas, materials stored in parts of this very large building, flammable paper, thermite, etc. all in the mix. It will be interesting to see what engineers will come up with, but I found the NOVA animations quite convincing. And even if that theory failed, I could already see there would be several other variations even I could imagine. One things for certain, the structure of this building is unusual (as shown in the NOVA simulations) and I don't know that we've ever seen a building of this type and size ever fall before. The way it's so built into it's outer shell, I can easily imagine huge spring like forces which could result.
[FairfieldLife] You Are an Illusion
From the blog The Frontal Cortex: You Are An Illusion Posted on: January 15, 2008 1:16 PM, by Jonah Lehrer So I'm reading about the latest cosmological absurdity and feeling pretty smug. It turns out that, according to the equations, your existence is simply some momentary fluctuation in a field of matter and energy out in space...Your memories and the world you think you see around you are illusions. -- Big Brain Theory: Have Cosmologists Lost Theirs? by Dennis Overbye, New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html?ref=science -- Aren't those physicists funny? Once upon a time, we thought quantum mechanics was weird. Then came string theory and all those extra unfolded dimensions. And now comes the latest hypothesis, which is so surreal it's almost nihilistic. Apparently, I'm just an elaborate illusion, a fictional figment of the universe. Only the equations are real. But then I started thinking about neuroscience, my own specialty. According to the facts of neuroscience, your head contains 100 billion electrical cells, but not one of them is you, or knows you or cares about you. In fact, you don't even exist. You are simply a fancy kind of cognitive fakery, an epiphenomenon of the cortex. The self is a fiction. This idea is hardly newsworthy - the ghost was expelled from the machine a long time ago - and yet we often forget just how crazy the concept really is. Think about it: the facts of modern science contradict the most basic facts of our experience. If we know anything, it's that we are real, that our first-person experience is lucid, vivid and tangible. We feel like more than just a loom of electrical synapses. And yet, what Gertrude Stein said about Oakland is also true of self-consciousness: there is no there there. My worry is that the experiments of modern science, both in physics and neuroscience, are becoming increasingly detached from the empirical actuality of everyday life. Our sciences are turning themselves into immaculate abstractions, unable to reduce or solve or even investigate the only reality we will ever know. Instead, that reality is disregarded as an illusion. That hardly strikes me as a satisfying answer.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
The fall you describe is possible, but it would not occur at near free-fall
speed, and it would leave rubble, not dust.
- Original Message
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like
China in the surveillance dept
On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
But there actually was molten steel in the basement for weeks, wasn't there?
I believe so. There are huge sets of other factors involved in the mechanics of
such a huge collapse that could very likely contribute in some manner to
condition where the originally merely pliable (I've heard estimates that the
initial collapse, the steel had already lost 80% of it's material strength).
Imagine a straw between two very thick books and putting a small weight in the
center: when that straw bends loose, it has somewhat of a spring effect, like a
leaf spring being suddenly released. Such a force could theoretically propel
the floors above more rapidly than the usual inertia might allow--thereby
accelerating the fall of the floors. And who could calculate the incredible
numbers of variables in the ensuing fall: jet fuel, gas, materials stored in
parts of this very large building, flammable paper, thermite, etc. all in the
mix. It will be interesting to see what engineers will come up with, but I
found the NOVA animations quite convincing.
And even if that theory failed, I could already see there would be several
other variations even I could imagine.
One things for certain, the structure of this building is unusual (as shown in
the NOVA simulations) and I don't know that we've ever seen a building of this
type and size ever fall before. The way it's so built into it's outer shell, I
can easily imagine huge spring like forces which could result.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fall you describe is possible, but it would not occur at near free-fall speed, and it would leave rubble, not dust. 6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)? NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A). As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that: the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation. Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass. In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass. From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely. http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: The fall you describe is possible, but it would not occur at near free-fall speed, and it would leave rubble, not dust. Of course it could and dust is a natural consequence of any such building collapse. The huge momentum involved of all the building above the entrance sites of the plane would have a huge, unstoppable momentum once failure occurred. The releasing of the individual floors could potentially accelerate it more than the norm. It follows at least partially the rules for elastic and inelastic collisions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Are an Illusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My worry is that the experiments of modern science, both in physics and neuroscience, are becoming increasingly detached from the empirical actuality of everyday life. Our sciences are turning themselves into immaculate abstractions, unable to reduce or solve or even investigate the only reality we will ever know. Instead, that reality is disregarded as an illusion. That hardly strikes me as a satisfying answer. Yes, sometimes I feel like the freaky observer. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Are an Illusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My worry is that the experiments of modern science, both in physics and neuroscience, are becoming increasingly detached from the empirical actuality of everyday life. Our sciences are turning themselves into immaculate abstractions, unable to reduce or solve or even investigate the only reality we will ever know. Instead, that reality is disregarded as an illusion. That hardly strikes me as a satisfying answer. Yes, sometimes I feel like the freaky observer. :) Boy. And it's not just science; spiritual metaphysics does the same thing from the other direction, as it were. Schroedinger attempts to resolve the self is a fiction problem in that quotation I posted from his I That Is God essay, but in terms of ordinary, everyday experience, the solution is worse than the problem!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
I've seen lots of buildings fall as a result of war, bombs, and plane crashes.
Never before and never after did buildings fall as the World Trade Center
buildings fell. It pulverized the concrete. this is not the same as the kind
of rubble you get in situations in which there are no explosives planted for
controlled demolition. But I do not care what you believe, nor do I really
want to argue with you about this. You will not change your mind, and I will
not change mine.
- Original Message
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:41:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like
China in the surveillance dept
On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
The fall you describe is possible, but it would not occur at near free-fall
speed, and it would leave rubble, not dust.
Of course it could and dust is a natural consequence of any such building
collapse. The huge momentum involved of all the building above the entrance
sites of the plane would have a huge, unstoppable momentum once failure
occurred. The releasing of the individual floors could potentially accelerate
it more than the norm. It follows at least partially the rules for elastic and
inelastic collisions.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like China in the surveillance dept
To my knowledge, the latest statement from NIST is that that they (allegedly)
cannot account for how those buildings fell.
- Original Message
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:33:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Kids, USA is beginning to look a bit like
China in the surveillance dept
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
The fall you describe is possible, but it would not occur at near
free-fall speed, and it would leave rubble, not dust.
6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9
seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from
similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?
NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to
strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers
to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds
for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of
the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion
(seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were
precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower
Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse
times show that:
… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered
minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the
impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement
of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact
structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.
Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided
little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling
building mass, the building section above came down essentially in
free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially
failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on
the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.
In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of
the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the
supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the
static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to
the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of
the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop
or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each
successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both
buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are
known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before
they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic
records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by
debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for
each building to collapse completely.
http://wtc.nist. gov/pubs/ factsheets/ faqs_8_2006. htm
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain. I believe he is in great pain. I sense it. It's obvious when he speaks. I also sense little strokes going on. But this has been going on for a decade at least. I am deeply honored by the way this man has chosen to go into the final silence. I am honored to be where I am, doing what I'm doing during this wonderous time. All will be revealed soon. We have entered a period of honoring this great man (even those of us who didn't think he was great before, we are humbled by his final actions) and we calculate the days. Don't worry, just adore. Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. If you follow a religion which has a rite of passage into silence, now might be a good time. Okay To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Michael Chertoff is a Paranoiac
With delusions of grandeur: http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_security_chief_sees_Europe_as_ma_01162008.html He needs to be removed from office and receive medical attention (as well as a few others in BushCo I can think of).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enter the Shotokan Dragon - Machida
You know, Curtis and Off, I bet under the right conditions someone could kill someone else with one punch or one kick. But the caveat is right conditions As morbid as it sounds, place someone's head in a stationary brace so it doesn't move and then have a trained fighter punch or kick their face full force. You kill them. The problem of course is that realworld fighting does not occur this way. And your comments, Off, about boxing deaths, is due to brain trauma and the ensuing swelling of the brain that occurs inside the skull that then crushes the brain to death. It is a secondary injury to the primary brain trauma. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The golden sprayfest you have stepped into Ruth, is not about whether or not people in contact sports get hurt. (surprise... they do!) It goes deeper into guyville, so please put on some rain gear. Seriously Ruth, goggle too, you'll thank me. All set? OK. The question is whether or not his favorite MMA fighter is unable to knock people out because he is afraid that his scary magical Shotokan strikes would kill a man. So he has to pull his punches in MMA fights unlike anyone else in the sport. Oooh sorry you got hit with some spray, I warned ya. When I asked for any evidence for such a unique position, Off responded by calling me a fucking idiot. Very clever, very subtle. I am carefully considering my response options to this insightful counter to a request for evidence. So far the poopy pants retort is showing the most promise. So enjoy the water sports Ruth. You should check out Off's art which is very cool, especially his wood working. I said wood. he he Welcome to our world. Keep the goggles, you may need them again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off says: Ending the fight with a Shotokan kick at full force would kill a man, Curtis says: Name even one time this happened outside your mind. One time, one man, one documented event, one peer reviewed study. One example of this claim actually happening. Just one. Off Says: Boxers can die from a hard punch in a boxing match and many of them end up brain damaged. And they are wearing big padded gloves ! So there are a hundreds of examples of a hard punch with a big padded glove killing people since boxing was a recognised sport. If you do not think that a hard kick to the head (which a hard shotokan kick can break 2 x 4's) does not run a high risk of killing someone, or causing severe brain damage, you are a complete fucking idiot. Period. You guys are so funny and Curtis is such a tease! http://ejmas.com/jcs/2004jcs/jcsart_landa_0804.htm the existing information tends to be anecdotal rather than objective, and sometimes polemical rather than scientific in tone. Injuries sustained in full-contact fighting arts, in particular martial grappling arts and professional MMA competitions, have not been well cataloged in peer-reviewed medical and scientific research methods. Nonetheless, there is evidence of increased risk of brain and joint injuries, with brain injuries more common in striking sports while joint injuries are more common in grappling sports. There is also anecdotal evidence to suggest that participation in tournaments and contests leads to a higher risk of injury than does participation in friendly non-competitive training. The injury rates in MMA are not known, but are probably comparable to boxing and wrestling arts. Me: Closed head injuries are a big deal in boxing and in martial arts if helmets are not used. Head injuries are cumulative, which increases risk of permanent brain damage or death. [:)] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
