[FairfieldLife] Re: Neuroscientists Identify Brain Regions Responsible for Warding off Negative
Dude, with all due respect, you're just pissed off that you aren't interesting enough to have made either list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I can't say exactly why Barry or anyone else comes on FFL, but for me it's a way of relaxing, getting in a few jokes, making a few sage (as opposed to, say, parsley or rosemary) observations. I imagine the same *might* be true for Barry and many others here. Just might. So, in that spirit, new, if you don't like or agree with someone or their posting style to the degree that you appear not to, why not just skip those posts? Two lists of people. First list (not meant to be comprehensive, just a few names that pop to mind): * Rick * Curtis * Sal * Hugo/Richard * Alex * bhairitu * boo_lives * gullible fool * do.rflex * Vaj * Ruth * Dr. Pete * Tom T. * geezerfreak Second list: * raunchydog * Judy * Willytex * Shemp * new.morning First list -- tend to just speak their mind and then let it drop. Rarely get involved in defending what they say. Rarely demand that people respond to them or take them seriously. Take themselves lightly. Energy givers. Second list -- speak their minds and wait for, nay, *demand* a response. Get angry if no one responds. Once angry, demand that the people who ignored the profound or provocative things they said before do so now. If someone bites, attempt to steer the conversation to what *they* want to talk about, and call any tangent or variation that the other person wants to talk about a non-sequitur, as if the other person is somehow supposed to follow *them*, and if they don't, that doesn't follow. Energy vampires. Where should I spend my time and my energy on this forum, eh? Talking to the people on the first list, or on the second list? Well, duh. Its not like you ever qualify for inclusion in the second group, right Unc? Looking pointedly at how you have divided the group into 2 types of people and implicitly criticizing the second group by listing the qualities that you feel make them qualify for inclusion while implying that you are not a member of the second group merely by raising such a topic in the first place. Everyone (including me) who responds to this thread is merely feeding into your own need to qualify for the second group while pretending that you are not part of that group you are implicitly denouncing. Are you aware of your own hypocrisy here, I wonder? If you are, then you are even more nasty than you appear to be on the surface. You're playing games with the people in the second group by playing an us vs them card (while smirkingly knowing that you yourself are in that second group) and with the people you listed in the first group (the good guys) AND with people you left out of either group. Manipulation by division. How sweet of you. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neuroscientists Identify Brain Regions Responsible for Warding off Negative Emotion
Ok, Ok...no need to pitch a hissy fit because you weren't interesting enough to make either list. Now you're on the second list. Happy now? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been on several forums through the years, and my experience is there is often a person fitting this sort of bully and leader of the pack persona, at least in their own mind, if not that of others. To find that it is Mr. Turquoise B here on fairfieldlife, what little I know of him is sad indeed. A question for those in his list #1; the ones he obviously feels closest to-- do you all align with him, or is this more an expression of his own view? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Barry thinks he's in with the in crowd. Funny guy. He never tires of himself even when others do. True to form, his sense of self-importance, and pathological self-absorption, compels him to believe you're not smart enough to figure out who should be on your preferred reading list. Note: The riff-raff on the second list makes his panties bunch up and gives him fits of pique. So, if you want to have some fun just poke him a few times and you can be on his shit list too. Welcome! Jump into the fray and let the fur fly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I can't say exactly why Barry or anyone else comes on FFL, but for me it's a way of relaxing, getting in a few jokes, making a few sage (as opposed to, say, parsley or rosemary) observations. I imagine the same *might* be true for Barry and many others here. Just might. So, in that spirit, new, if you don't like or agree with someone or their posting style to the degree that you appear not to, why not just skip those posts? Two lists of people. First list (not meant to be comprehensive, just a few names that pop to mind): * Rick * Curtis * Sal * Hugo/Richard * Alex * bhairitu * boo_lives * gullible fool * do.rflex * Vaj * Ruth * Dr. Pete * Tom T. * geezerfreak Second list: * raunchydog * Judy * Willytex * Shemp * new.morning First list -- tend to just speak their mind and then let it drop. Rarely get involved in defending what they say. Rarely demand that people respond to them or take them seriously. Take themselves lightly. Energy givers. Second list -- speak their minds and wait for, nay, *demand* a response. Get angry if no one responds. Once angry, demand that the people who ignored the profound or provocative things they said before do so now. If someone bites, attempt to steer the conversation to what *they* want to talk about, and call any tangent or variation that the other person wants to talk about a non-sequitur, as if the other person is somehow supposed to follow *them*, and if they don't, that doesn't follow. Energy vampires. Where should I spend my time and my energy on this forum, eh? Talking to the people on the first list, or on the second list? Well, duh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lack of fucking will make you spacey. Good fucking makes you very centered and present. Also an occasional chicken sandwich before or after fucking will make you grounded too. Not during? :-) Bhairitu's and Vaj's and Pete's points are well taken. Spaciness or feeling spaced out is not being spiritual; it's the opposite of being spiritual. --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TMers: Do You Space Out? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 7:51 PM It may well be that many great Indian saints who were said to go into spontaneous samadhi were just spacing out. We know how Indians are and they'll make such overblown observations. Brigante said a while back that on his TTC that Maharishi said Indians were like Americans on drugs. I think, unless they have been exposed and have had to adapt to western culture (such as Indians who attend universities her to get advanced degrees) they often have the emotional maturity of an 11 year old. But that also suggests a vata disposition. Meditation of any kind, as ayurveda states, usually increases the ether element. It is to help you rise about the muddy earth element. But what if you are already a space case. I would lay the spaciness more to bad vegetarian diet or having such a diet if it is inappropriate for your constitution. Remember that many Indian yogis use ashwaganda and brahmi in conjunction with their practice which helps tone the nervous system and ground out. Yogis know the importance of grounding out whereas too many western meditators just want to fly away like a leaf. How many TM'ers you know need lots of rest indeed up to 10 to 12 hours of sleep? Whereas I see progress if I only need 4 to 6 hours of sleep. I also wonder if westerners because of their dispositions accomplish just as much in a fraction of the time meditating that an Indian does? BTW, of that list I'm sure you'll find a lot of aging boomers who have never meditated relating to those symptoms. Maybe it's the fluoride in the water? They're known as senior moments and sometimes by balancing the doshas they start to go away. Vaj wrote: Great article from John Knapp. Transcendental Meditators: Do You Space Out? Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 9/25/2008 03:46:00 PM Transcendental Meditation Dissociation In my cult counseling practice, I'm often asked about dissociation. Many people don't know what it is. Or if they experience it. In TM, we called it spacing out, blissing out, being a space cadet, or many other dismissive names. But what did we mean? And what's the big problem with it? A lot of people enjoy blissing out. Basically, dissociation is any gap in the major identity or cognitive functions: awareness, memory, conscious thought, certain language abilities, and of course identity itself. We all dissociate sometimes. We daydream, get lost in thought, stare off into space, forget for a moment where we are, or lose track of our surroundings when deeply involved with a book. But, in extreme cases, our main personality disappears during the gap â and another alter may take over. This is full-blown Dissociative Identity Disorder, what used to be called Multiple Personality Disorder. This is rare. The point is dissociation exists on a spectrum, from mild and pleasurable to severely disabling. Dissociation is only a problem when it causes pain or difficulty functioning in daily life. Some cultic studies scholars believe cultic organizations teach trance states, a form of dissociation, because they increase suggestibility â with obvious benefits to groups that control and indoctrinate members. (Not all scholars agree with the link between trance and suggestibility. This article offers evidence against the suggestibility hypothesis.) Purposefully teaching dissociation to increase suggestibility seems likely to me. Every cultic group I've worked with promoted dissociation through trance, meditation, Ericksonian or classic hypnosis, chanting, speaking in tongues, group criticism sessions, singing hymns for hours, observing lengthy religious rituals, protracted group workshops, lengthy baffling group instruction, interminable incomprehensible videos, yoga, or other methods. This doesn't mean dissociative techniques can't be pleasurable â or beneficial. But like so many good things in life, they may be perverted by leaders with dishonorable intentions. And like salt, a little adds flavor and is necessary for life. But a lot can
[FairfieldLife] The bottom line
Say what you will about me, but the bottom line is that without interacting with the loudmouth from New Jersey even once, here it is Monday morning my time, and she now has only six posts left for the week. Do less, accomplish more. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Dumb fish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'... 'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still aware. Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking, needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes stabilized. You begin to question, 'Who is experiencing when I am 'spaced out' or when I'm not thinking any thoughts. I don't have any thoughts of the past or future, so where am I in time. This space I'm in seems unusually unfamiliar, and I can't seem to catagorize it in the same way I used to, so where am I. Cosmic Consciousness can at first be disconcerting. Krishna Murti expressed this a lot in his writings. He was experiencing CC. So, this whole idea of being 'spaced out' is something of the 'old consciousness. And as has been said, it does take time to become familiar and stabilize. Eckhart Tolle, expresses this clearly in his writings, and he describes that he spent years, 'spaced out, without any thoughts, and until he became more and more stabilized and familiar with this new and evolved state. He claimed his primary change in consciousness was that he no longer had any thoughts. Maharishi also used to talk about when he was spending time in Uttar Kashi, when he retreated and was living there, that he could have as little as one thought an hour. This is something our culture is completely unfamiliar with and something which is not acknowledged, as it is not well understood, by comtempary psychiatry. Our culture recognizes only constant striving, thinking of the past, worrying about the future, anything to take one out of the Being of the Present. Eckhart Tolle I feel has the clearest take on this matter. But, at times, it is easy to fall into depression, if there is an imbalance in the nervous system, by not listening to what it needs in terms of food, exercise and other 'grounding' activities. So, being 'spaced out' is not a clear way of analysing what is happening, but more of an old way of saying, what your elementary teacher used to say, get back to work and stop day-dreaming and looking out the window. Our whole culture is 'spaced out' right now, and we are entering a period where time will become regarded in more of a relative way, in agreement with Einsteins Special Theory of Relativity. Einstein was describing reality at a greater level of understanding. He would probably be described, when absorbed in his intuitive understandings as being really, really spaced-out! R.G. Points very well taken. This is exactly what the so- called Buddhists on this list, Vaj and the Turq refuse to see. Because if what you claim is true then TM is a very effective method indeed. And for Vaj and the Turq that's a very serious challenge, a truth they seem to spend hours every day here on FFL trying to denounce.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Praise of Laziness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Praise of Laziness is a glorious, uproariousfive-minute animation starring humanity?s greatest thinkers stingingly rebukingthe concept of hard work and embracing the power of laziness. In Praise of Laziness is quirky, funny, delightfullyshocking, and playfully profound. I hope you enjoy viewing it as much as weenjoyed creating it. To view, please click here www.lazyway.net/movie. For the maximum experience: 1. Watchuntil after the credits for a surprise ending. 2. Turnup the sound. The music specially composed for this video is superb. 3. Ifyou have a fast computer, the icon in the lower right- hand corner (next to thespeaker icon) expands the video to full screen. We, the co-creators of In Praise of Laziness, wishyou now and always effortless success, Fred Gratzon, Lawrence Sheaff, Jay M. Johnson, Donald Sosin Very funny, thanks for posting this Rick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: samaadhi during TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 28, 2008, at 5:19 AM, cardemaister wrote: When Maharishi uses the expression 'kSaNika-samaadhi' (momentary samaadhi), does he refer to 'saMprajñaata-samaadhi' or 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi', or perhaps both of them? Neither. But isn't (full?) transcendence during TM 'viraama-pratyaya'?
[FairfieldLife] Money-making opportunity for FFL posters :-)
As an example of seeing the positive big picture where others see only the negative details, the following story seems to me to provide a real windfall for certain FFLers: Man sues Md. doctor, says butt stapled shut http://www.baltimoreexaminer.com/local/crime/Man_sues_Md_doctor_says_butt_stapled_shut_.html or http://tinyurl.com/3p6mhx It seems to me that this gentleman's sad experience is not an isolated incident, and that his lawsuit could be turned into a larger class-action suit. Several posters here could...uh...pile on to this suit as 1) a possible excuse for why they think and write the way they do, and 2) a way to make some fast money. Dream big! Don't settle for just being full of shit...turn being full of shit into a money-making opportunity.
[FairfieldLife] Who is the misogynist -- McCain or Obama? Question answered.
Wanna see something fun? Click on the following URL: http://www.VoteForTheMILF.com The first redirect takes you to the following website, which plays a video about Palin: http://www.johnmccain.com/palin.htm All subsequent redirects take you to McCain's main website. The reason is that the John McCain campaign, less than 36 hours after naming Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential nominee, bought the rights to www.VoteForTheMILF.com, www.VoteForTheMILF.net, and www.VoteForTheMILF.org. In related news, www.RaunchyDogIsOnTheRag.com and www.JudySteinWillVoteForAnyoneWhoPaysAttentionToHer.com also redirect to the McCain site. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did McCain try to get out of the debates due to a stroke?
That's one pretty symptomless stroke! --- On Mon, 9/29/08, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Did McCain try to get out of the debates due to a stroke? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:31 AM http://news.spreadit.org/mccain-s-left-eyemccain-stroke-rumor/ Can anyone tell by his jyotish about when he is gonna die or be debilitated? has anyone posted Palin's jyotish? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
What good will it do to call Congress? Susan --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:01 AM Friends, Let me cut to the chase. The biggest robbery in the history of this country is taking place as you read this. Though no guns are being used, 300 million hostages are being taken. Make no mistake about it: After stealing a half trillion dollars to line the pockets of their war-profiteering backers for the past five years, after lining the pockets of their fellow oilmen to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars in just the last two years, Bush and his cronies -- who must soon vacate the White House -- are looting the U.S. Treasury of every dollar they can grab. They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door. No matter what they say, no matter how many scare words they use, they are up to their old tricks of creating fear and confusion in order to make and keep themselves and the upper one percent filthy rich. Just read the first four paragraphs of the lead story in last Monday's New York Times and you can see what the real deal is: Even as policy makers worked on details of a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, Wall Street began looking for ways to profit from it. Financial firms were lobbying to have all manner of troubled investments covered, not just those related to mortgages. At the same time, investment firms were jockeying to oversee all the assets that Treasury plans to take off the books of financial institutions, a role that could earn them hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fees. Nobody wants to be left out of Treasury's proposal to buy up bad assets of financial institutions. Unbelievable. Wall Street and its backers created this mess and now they are going to clean up like bandits. Even Rudy Giuliani is lobbying for his firm to be hired (and paid) to consult in the bailout. The problem is, nobody truly knows what this collapse is all about. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Panic! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! Bird flu! Killer bees! We must pass the bailout bill today!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Falling for whom? NOTHING in this bailout package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance. Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse? It has everything to do with it. This so-called collapse was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. Let me state this simply: If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage crisis may never have happened. This bailout's mission is to protect the obscene amount of wealth that has been accumulated in the last eight years. It's to protect the top shareholders who own and control corporate America. It's to make sure their yachts and mansions and way of life go uninterrupted while the rest of America suffers and struggles to pay the bills. Let the rich suffer for once. Let them pay for the bailout. We are spending 400 million dollars a day on the war in Iraq. Let them end the war immediately and save us all another half-trillion dollars! I have to stop writing this and you have to stop reading it. They are staging a financial coup this morning in our country. They are hoping Congress will act fast before they stop to think, before we have a chance to stop them ourselves. So stop reading this and do something -- NOW! Here's what you can do immediately: 1. Call or e-mail Senator Obama. Tell him he does not need to be sitting there trying to help prop up Bush and Cheney and the mess they've made. Tell him we know he has the smarts to slow this thing down and figure out what's the best route to take. Tell him the rich have to pay for whatever help is offered. Use the leverage we have now to insist on a moratorium on home foreclosures, to insist on a move to universal health coverage, and tell him that we the people need to be in charge of the economic decisions that affect our lives, not the barons of Wall
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neuroscientists Identify Brain Regions Responsible for Warding off Negative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, with all due respect, you're just pissed off that you aren't interesting enough to have made either list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I can't say exactly why Barry or anyone else comes on FFL, but for me it's a way of relaxing, getting in a few jokes, making a few sage (as opposed to, say, parsley or rosemary) observations. I imagine the same *might* be true for Barry and many others here. Just might. So, in that spirit, new, if you don't like or agree with someone or their posting style to the degree that you appear not to, why not just skip those posts? Two lists of people. First list (not meant to be comprehensive, just a few names that pop to mind): * Rick * Curtis * Sal * Hugo/Richard * Alex * bhairitu * boo_lives * gullible fool * do.rflex * Vaj * Ruth * Dr. Pete * Tom T. * geezerfreak Second list: * raunchydog * Judy * Willytex * Shemp * new.morning First list -- tend to just speak their mind and then let it drop. Rarely get involved in defending what they say. Rarely demand that people respond to them or take them seriously. Take themselves lightly. Energy givers. Second list -- speak their minds and wait for, nay, *demand* a response. Get angry if no one responds. Once angry, demand that the people who ignored the profound or provocative things they said before do so now. If someone bites, attempt to steer the conversation to what *they* want to talk about, and call any tangent or variation that the other person wants to talk about a non-sequitur, as if the other person is somehow supposed to follow *them*, and if they don't, that doesn't follow. Energy vampires. Where should I spend my time and my energy on this forum, eh? Talking to the people on the first list, or on the second list? Well, duh. Its not like you ever qualify for inclusion in the second group, right Unc? Looking pointedly at how you have divided the group into 2 types of people and implicitly criticizing the second group by listing the qualities that you feel make them qualify for inclusion while implying that you are not a member of the second group merely by raising such a topic in the first place. Everyone (including me) who responds to this thread is merely feeding into your own need to qualify for the second group while pretending that you are not part of that group you are implicitly denouncing. Are you aware of your own hypocrisy here, I wonder? If you are, then you are even more nasty than you appear to be on the surface. You're playing games with the people in the second group by playing an us vs them card (while smirkingly knowing that you yourself are in that second group) and with the people you listed in the first group (the good guys) AND with people you left out of either group. Manipulation by division. How sweet of you. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neuroscientists Identify Brain Regions Responsible for Warding off Negative
Respect? That would be novel given your penchant for dissing anyone who picks on poor you. I'm honored to be at the top of your shit list. Now stamp your foot and run along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, with all due respect, you're just pissed off that you aren't interesting enough to have made either list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I can't say exactly why Barry or anyone else comes on FFL, but for me it's a way of relaxing, getting in a few jokes, making a few sage (as opposed to, say, parsley or rosemary) observations. I imagine the same *might* be true for Barry and many others here. Just might. So, in that spirit, new, if you don't like or agree with someone or their posting style to the degree that you appear not to, why not just skip those posts? Two lists of people. First list (not meant to be comprehensive, just a few names that pop to mind): * Rick * Curtis * Sal * Hugo/Richard * Alex * bhairitu * boo_lives * gullible fool * do.rflex * Vaj * Ruth * Dr. Pete * Tom T. * geezerfreak Second list: * raunchydog * Judy * Willytex * Shemp * new.morning First list -- tend to just speak their mind and then let it drop. Rarely get involved in defending what they say. Rarely demand that people respond to them or take them seriously. Take themselves lightly. Energy givers. Second list -- speak their minds and wait for, nay, *demand* a response. Get angry if no one responds. Once angry, demand that the people who ignored the profound or provocative things they said before do so now. If someone bites, attempt to steer the conversation to what *they* want to talk about, and call any tangent or variation that the other person wants to talk about a non-sequitur, as if the other person is somehow supposed to follow *them*, and if they don't, that doesn't follow. Energy vampires. Where should I spend my time and my energy on this forum, eh? Talking to the people on the first list, or on the second list? Well, duh. Its not like you ever qualify for inclusion in the second group, right Unc? Looking pointedly at how you have divided the group into 2 types of people and implicitly criticizing the second group by listing the qualities that you feel make them qualify for inclusion while implying that you are not a member of the second group merely by raising such a topic in the first place. Everyone (including me) who responds to this thread is merely feeding into your own need to qualify for the second group while pretending that you are not part of that group you are implicitly denouncing. Are you aware of your own hypocrisy here, I wonder? If you are, then you are even more nasty than you appear to be on the surface. You're playing games with the people in the second group by playing an us vs them card (while smirkingly knowing that you yourself are in that second group) and with the people you listed in the first group (the good guys) AND with people you left out of either group. Manipulation by division. How sweet of you. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What good will it do to call Congress? Probably not much. They already know most of their constituents hate the bailout, and they hate it too. The smarter ones know, however, that as awful as the bailout is, and even though it's not guaranteed to fix things if does pass, the situation *is* guaranteed to be far worse if it doesn't pass, something their constituents--including Michael Moore--haven't figured out. The threat of financial collapse is real, and it's desperately urgent. It would be lovely if it were just the Wall Street fat cats who would suffer, but it's not, it's all of us. And we will suffer significantly more than they will. They can afford to lose some financial weight; the rest of us can't. Moore's rant is ignorant, if not dishonest. snip The problem is, nobody truly knows what this collapse is all about. True strictly speaking, but only in a literal interpretation of the word all, meaning down to the very last detail. Part of the *need* for the bailout is that investor confidence is down the tubes because there's so much uncertainty. The bailout is designed to *reduce* the uncertainty and restore some of the confidence by giving a value to certain assets whose worth isn't currently known. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). As I pointed out in an earlier post, this is a feature, not a bug. It's simply not possible to determine the exact amount--again, that's the basis of the problem in the first place. Paulson didn't pick the $700 billion figure at random, though; he picked a number he felt would be significantly more than would be required, again, to increase confidence that the government will be able to follow through on its plan. The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. I don't know whether the head of the CBO is an expert in financial markets; it's not necessarily the case that a congressional budgeting expert knows much about the kind of investments involved in the current crisis. Also, it would be important to know exactly what he said, which Moore doesn't tell us. Moore's could well be a misleadingly loose paraphrase designed to make his own points. snip Falling for whom? NOTHING in this bailout package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance. All too true, but irrelevant. The issue is whether *not* passing it will *raise* the price of gas, make it *more* likely that you'll lose your home and *less* likely to be able to afford--or even obtain--health insurance, not to mention avoiding bankruptcy if you get sick without insurance. Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse? It has everything to do with it. This so-called collapse was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Key word: *triggered*. Not *caused by*. What has caused the collapse is the shaky underpinnings of the entire financial market. That the housing crisis could bring down the markets is a symptom of how bad a shape they're already in. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. This is a very fancy and deliberately misleading switcheroo. Bankruptcies *per se* are a non sequitur. Having one's home go into foreclosure and having to declare bankruptcy are two different things that are not inevitably connected. snip 1. Call or e-mail Senator Obama. Tell him he does not need to be sitting there trying to help prop up Bush and Cheney and the mess they've made. Etc. Actually what you should be doing is *trusting Obama*. I have grave reservations about him on other grounds, but in this case he knows what he's doing. It's ironic that Moore, who has been such a fervent Obama supporter, is now telling us Obama is on the side of the fat cats and the Bush administration. Tell him we know he has the smarts to slow this thing down and figure out what's the best route to take. He already *has* figured it out. He thinks the bill should pass. When you screw up in life, there is hell to pay. Each and every one of you reading this knows that basic lesson and has paid the consequences of your actions at some point. In this great democracy, we cannot let there be one set of rules for the vast majority of hard-working citizens, and another set of rules for the elite, who, when they screw up, are handed one more gift on a silver
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
Two additional points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. I don't know whether the head of the CBO is an expert in financial markets; it's not necessarily the case that a congressional budgeting expert knows much about the kind of investments involved in the current crisis. Also, it would be important to know exactly what he said, which Moore doesn't tell us. Moore's could well be a misleadingly loose paraphrase designed to make his own points. There are a lot of folks who *are* financial-market experts who are insisting that the bill must be passed, including some who were against it to begin with, such as Paul Krugman of the New York Times. Krugman is a politically very liberal economist and an outspoken critic of the Bush administration; he wouldn't be in favor of the bill if he hadn't come to think it was absolutely, crucially necessary. snip Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. This is a very fancy and deliberately misleading switcheroo. Bankruptcies *per se* are a non sequitur. Having one's home go into foreclosure and having to declare bankruptcy are two different things that are not inevitably connected. I failed to make my main point here: Medical bills may be the number-one reason people declare bankruptcy; but they are *not* the number-one reason people can't make their mortgage payments. They can't make their mortgage payments because they aren't making enough money to sustain a mortgage in the first place; or because their payments went way up when interest rates skyrocketed; or because they refinanced thinking the value of their homes would keep going up, and they could sell them at a profit if they couldn't repay their debt. Instead, home prices fell when the housing bubble burst, and now their mortgages are worth more than their equity. Yes, probably some were too strapped by medical bills to make their mortgage payments; but that's a much smaller percentage of people. If Moore doesn't know this, he's abysmally ignorant. If he does, he's being disgracefully dishonest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Praise of Laziness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Praise of Laziness is a glorious, uproariousfive-minute animation starring humanity?s greatest thinkers stingingly rebukingthe concept of hard work and embracing the power of laziness. In Praise of Laziness is quirky, funny, delightfullyshocking, and playfully profound. I hope you enjoy viewing it as much as weenjoyed creating it. To view, please click here www.lazyway.net/movie. For the maximum experience: 1. Watchuntil after the credits for a surprise ending. 2. Turnup the sound. The music specially composed for this video is superb. 3. Ifyou have a fast computer, the icon in the lower right-hand corner (next to thespeaker icon) expands the video to full screen. We, the co-creators of In Praise of Laziness, wishyou now and always effortless success, Fred Gratzon, Lawrence Sheaff, Jay M. Johnson, Donald Sosin = That was great, Rick. My father worked hard all his early years surviving the Great Depression - until later when he became a great success showing others how to build steel plants. He often told me, Son, never lift anything heavier than a pencil. And we all know Maharishi's often used expression: Do nothing and enjoy everything.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote: What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'... 'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still aware. Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking, needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes stabilized. You begin to question, 'Who is experiencing when I am 'spaced out' or when I'm not thinking any thoughts. What has been romanticized in the TM org as witnessing is more typically what they call either moodmaking or what psychiatrists call dissociation. TM-style witnessing is largely fictional and shares few of the traditional criteria of sakshi or the witness-consciousness. It was an easy selling point since so many people got vata'd out by the practice. Many TMers were/are obsessed with it and thereby cultivate this dissociative state. The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes none of which we ever here of in TM circles, even among those ranting on their own claimed enlightenment. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: samaadhi during TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 28, 2008, at 5:19 AM, cardemaister wrote: When Maharishi uses the expression 'kSaNika-samaadhi' (momentary samaadhi), does he refer to 'saMprajñaata-samaadhi' or 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi', or perhaps both of them? Neither. But isn't (full?) transcendence during TM 'viraama-pratyaya'? Just to elaborate a bit: vitarkavicaaraanandaasmitaanugamaat saMprajnaataH viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH (anyaH = the other = asaMprajnaata-samaadhi)
[FairfieldLife] McDonalds hamburger is 12 years old - looks just like new
1996 McDonalds Hamburger Karen Hanrahan has been using the same McDonald's hamburger as a prop in her Healthy Choices for Children class since 1996 -- 12 years! -- and it's hardly aged a day in all that time. Story and Photos here: http://tinyurl.com/3l2ukt
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! I am a fan of MM but this is crap. The money is to replace losses associated with street after street of banged out repossessed homes. Am I wrong? As for the Y2K problem, this was not a catastrophe because the industry did the work; remember all those Cobol programmers that came out of retirement? Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
Michael Moore, If your head is up your ass, does it matter if you heart is in the right place. Grassroots activism against the bailout and scaring the crap out Congress could create more wrangling and disastrous no vote gridlock. If Congress doesn't act quickly, we can look forward to harvesting potatoes in the gulag, formerly known as the USA. This is serious folks. Don't take financial advice from a guy who makes movies. http://tinyurl.com/3vr5u9 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan my3paths@ wrote: What good will it do to call Congress? Probably not much. They already know most of their constituents hate the bailout, and they hate it too. The smarter ones know, however, that as awful as the bailout is, and even though it's not guaranteed to fix things if does pass, the situation *is* guaranteed to be far worse if it doesn't pass, something their constituents--including Michael Moore--haven't figured out. The threat of financial collapse is real, and it's desperately urgent. It would be lovely if it were just the Wall Street fat cats who would suffer, but it's not, it's all of us. And we will suffer significantly more than they will. They can afford to lose some financial weight; the rest of us can't. Moore's rant is ignorant, if not dishonest. snip The problem is, nobody truly knows what this collapse is all about. True strictly speaking, but only in a literal interpretation of the word all, meaning down to the very last detail. Part of the *need* for the bailout is that investor confidence is down the tubes because there's so much uncertainty. The bailout is designed to *reduce* the uncertainty and restore some of the confidence by giving a value to certain assets whose worth isn't currently known. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). As I pointed out in an earlier post, this is a feature, not a bug. It's simply not possible to determine the exact amount--again, that's the basis of the problem in the first place. Paulson didn't pick the $700 billion figure at random, though; he picked a number he felt would be significantly more than would be required, again, to increase confidence that the government will be able to follow through on its plan. The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. I don't know whether the head of the CBO is an expert in financial markets; it's not necessarily the case that a congressional budgeting expert knows much about the kind of investments involved in the current crisis. Also, it would be important to know exactly what he said, which Moore doesn't tell us. Moore's could well be a misleadingly loose paraphrase designed to make his own points. snip Falling for whom? NOTHING in this bailout package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance. All too true, but irrelevant. The issue is whether *not* passing it will *raise* the price of gas, make it *more* likely that you'll lose your home and *less* likely to be able to afford--or even obtain--health insurance, not to mention avoiding bankruptcy if you get sick without insurance. Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse? It has everything to do with it. This so-called collapse was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Key word: *triggered*. Not *caused by*. What has caused the collapse is the shaky underpinnings of the entire financial market. That the housing crisis could bring down the markets is a symptom of how bad a shape they're already in. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. This is a very fancy and deliberately misleading switcheroo. Bankruptcies *per se* are a non sequitur. Having one's home go into foreclosure and having to declare bankruptcy are two different things that are not inevitably connected. snip 1. Call or e-mail Senator Obama. Tell him he does not need to be sitting there trying to help prop up Bush and Cheney and the mess they've made. Etc. Actually what you should be doing is *trusting Obama*. I have grave reservations about him on other grounds, but in this case he knows what he's doing. It's ironic that Moore, who has been such a fervent Obama supporter, is now telling us Obama
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two additional points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. I don't know whether the head of the CBO is an expert in financial markets; it's not necessarily the case that a congressional budgeting expert knows much about the kind of investments involved in the current crisis. Also, it would be important to know exactly what he said, which Moore doesn't tell us. Moore's could well be a misleadingly loose paraphrase designed to make his own points. There are a lot of folks who *are* financial-market experts who are insisting that the bill must be passed, including some who were against it to begin with, such as Paul Krugman of the New York Times. Krugman is a politically very liberal economist and an outspoken critic of the Bush administration; he wouldn't be in favor of the bill if he hadn't come to think it was absolutely, crucially necessary. snip Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. This is a very fancy and deliberately misleading switcheroo. Bankruptcies *per se* are a non sequitur. Having one's home go into foreclosure and having to declare bankruptcy are two different things that are not inevitably connected. I failed to make my main point here: Medical bills may be the number-one reason people declare bankruptcy; but they are *not* the number-one reason people can't make their mortgage payments. snip ++ Did you see the Jon Stewart comparison between the Iraq war and the bailout? Looked like the same boogeyman BS. The bailout looks like another part of an ongoing program that has been going on for a long time. N.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote: What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'... 'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still aware. Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking, needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes stabilized. You begin to question, 'Who is experiencing when I am 'spaced out' or when I'm not thinking any thoughts. What has been romanticized in the TM org as witnessing is more typically what they call either moodmaking or what psychiatrists call dissociation. TM-style witnessing is largely fictional and shares few of the traditional criteria of sakshi or the witness-consciousness. It was an easy selling point since so many people got vata'd out by the practice. Many TMers were/are obsessed with it and thereby cultivate this dissociative state. The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes none of which we ever here of in TM circles, even among those ranting on their own claimed enlightenment. Go figure. with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information.
[FairfieldLife] Obamas Thought Police
From GunBanObama.com: http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3d25dd2-7abd-4f24-8efd\ -d62bd977d7c2ID=11588Type=1 9/25/2008 - Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF). The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio's ads have not yet begun running. Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the truth, declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF. Sen. Obama's statements and support for restricting access to firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and hunting. The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama's anti-gun record. Obama Campaign Cease and Desist Letter http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/ObamaLetterNRAAd.pdf NRA-PVF Response Memo http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/nra_memo_re_obamaads.pdf NRA-PVF Response to Washington Post fact check http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/wp_response_obamaads.pdf Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in our nation's history. That's the truth, concluded Cox. NRA-PVF has the facts on our side. No amount of running from or lying about his record and then intimidating news outlets in the hope of deceiving American gun owners and hunters is going to work. Those strong arm tactics may work in Chicago, but not in Pennsylvania and Ohio, and not as long as NRA-PVF has anything to say about it. [http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z83/Rufust_Firefly/Politics/hopenosi\ s.gif] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama's Thought Police They are everywhere, Common as squirrels, Obamazoids on steroids Marching lock step A bug in your rug A fart in your tub A stink in your sink, A spin down your drain They pick through your garbage Inured to your pain A whisper campaign Threatens the One Is he a Muslim? Is he a threat? Who are his friends? The Chicago connection Where are his friends? Wright under the bus Lest we forget They report to the top To dear leader their fealty No matter the sewage And shit they dig up It floats to the top No habeas corpus or writ No FISA protection Neither phone in your ear Nor data collection Just flip baldy's wig To see what he did Turn every stone Leave none alone Check tiny lies Ignore all the facts Blackwater connected Sedition suspected Just in case Got to be sure They pause to demur, If that's what it takes to Get the job done No matter the cost We must protect The One So don't give a fig For arcane bill of rights Just bamboozle the saps and the serfs And never look back to the light. Arrest them! Put them in brigs High-wired fence Leg irons too Let them wait Quietly wasting Soon we'll forget And no one will care. They squash all the giggles and gaffes With neck snapping speed and say, No it didn't really happen that way. Or simply, No he didn't! What Obama Really Meant Placates all but the crazies Whose reprogramming They surgically finish In a New York minute With skin crawling rapidity Quick! Red phone alert Call to dear leader! In here! In here! Look in the closet Behind the door There she is! A Hillary holdout! Ready the Kool-Aid Now open wide Racist-cunt-bitch! Her mirror of pure courage Reflected my face Together we placed 18 million cracks And toiled to foil Their devious plans For the race Still unabated they assailed And insulted They tore her to shreds Beaten and blackened Bloody to bone Her dignity held Onward with hope She reached for the stars She played her best ace And all they could say was, She didn't know her place After all, she is just a woman A woman expendable Not defendable She. Is. Just. A. Woman. Leave me alone! I said with fierce inner scream, They are coming to take my freedom away Ha, Ha! And you're next Ha, Ha! http://tinyurl.com/2oapcg This poem is in response to this Video: Missouri Truth Squads To Protect Obama Campaign http://tinyurl.com/4msamj Article: Gov. Blunt's Statement on Obama Campaign's Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement http://tinyurl.com/4aqvao Article: Missouri Sheriffs Top Prosecutors Form Obama Truth Squads Threaten Libel Charges Against Obama Critics http://tinyurl.com/54k5dq Love you too, Raunchydog
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neuroscientists Identify Brain Regions Responsible for Warding off Negative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, with all due respect, you're just pissed off that you aren't interesting enough to have made either list. Yup. Lawso
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote: What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'... 'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still aware. Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking, needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes stabilized. You begin to question, 'Who is experiencing when I am 'spaced out' or when I'm not thinking any thoughts. What has been romanticized in the TM org as witnessing is more typically what they call either moodmaking or what psychiatrists call dissociation. TM-style witnessing is largely fictional and shares few of the traditional criteria of sakshi or the witness-consciousness. It was an easy selling point since so many people got vata'd out by the practice. Many TMers were/are obsessed with it and thereby cultivate this dissociative state. The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes none of which we ever here of in TM circles, even among those ranting on their own claimed enlightenment. Go figure. Well, hmmm.. What's there to rant about? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Robert wrote: What you are describing here, is the onset of 'Witnessing'... 'Spacing out' means you aren't having any thoughts, but are still aware. Since in the beginning, this act of being aware, without thinking, needs to be stablized, and over time, it becomes stabilized. You begin to question, 'Who is experiencing when I am 'spaced out' or when I'm not thinking any thoughts. What has been romanticized in the TM org as witnessing is more typically what they call either moodmaking or what psychiatrists call dissociation. TM-style witnessing is largely fictional and shares few of the traditional criteria of sakshi or the witness-consciousness. It was an easy selling point since so many people got vata'd out by the practice. Many TMers were/are obsessed with it and thereby cultivate this dissociative state. The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes none of which we ever here of in TM circles, even among those ranting on their own claimed enlightenment. Go figure. Well, hmmm.. What's there to rant about? Or better: who's there to rant? L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. No, I base it on my direct experience of many such claimants, from Robin Woodsworth Carlson in the 80's, up to the present and the large discrepancy between actual jivan-mukti / turiyatita realizers and these claimants. You're new to the list so unfortunately you missed a lot of the ravers. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Just the facts, take 'em or leave 'em, I really could care less Dawn.
[FairfieldLife] Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting BlockObama never had the support of the LGBT community. Indeed, 63% of LGBT Democrats supported Hillary Clinton during the California primary http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225970/ , while a paltry 29% cast their votes for Barack Obama. I imagine LGBT support for Clinton was equally strong in other states, for according to a poll conducted last November, this constituency favored Clinton by a staggering 41 point margin http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/clinton-polls-best-among-\ gays-lesbians/?apage=2 . There are reasons the LGBT community supported Clinton over Obama: Obama refused to be photographed with Gavin Newsom in 2004 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/05/BAM5US1B5.D\ TL , when the San Francisco Mayor was the center of a national uproar for his support of gay marriage; Obama participated in a gay bashing Gospel Tour in South Carolina with Donnie McClurkin http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/obamas-gospel-concert-tou\ r/ , an African-American minister who views homosexuality as a disease Jesus Christ can cure; Obama cites his Christianity when he mentions his opposition to gay marriage http://www.q-notes.com/oped/oped_110406a.html in his text entitled The Audacity of Hope; Obama stigmatizes and minoritizes gay marriage http://www.q-notes.com/oped/oped_110406a.html when he refers to it as such in his political speeches and texts; Obama admits to seeking spiritual counsel from a certain Rev. James T. Meeks, a homophobic minister in inner city Chicago who was named by the Southern Poverty Law Center as one of the 10 leading black religious voices in the anti-gay movement http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/5603104 ; Obama refuses to march in gay pride parades http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/07/chicago-gay-pride-parade-aka-where\ s.html ; and Obama will not allow himself to be interviewed by the LGBT press http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9503.html . Because Obama has a record of homophobic speech, actions and affiliations, the LGBT community rallied behind Hillary Clinton. And they may rally behind McCain-Palin, for Obama's continued disrespect for this constituency will compel many LGBT voters to reconsider their support for the homophobic Democrat. Obama, according to The Advocate http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid61930.asp , will launch a gay bashing Faith, Values and Family tour with homophobic Catholic legal scholar Douglas Kmiec. I quote with added emphasis: The Christian Broadcasting Network is reporting http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/447440.aspx that the Obama campaign next week will kick off Barack Obama: Faith, Family, and Values Tour, designed to woo the votes of left-leaning Catholics, progressive Evangelicals, and some conservative mainline Protestants. If LGBT people find the tour eerily reminiscent of the South Carolina gospel tour the campaign arranged last year with antigay ex-gay gospel singer Donnie McClurkin, their instincts may not be far off. CBN names Catholic legal scholar Douglas Kmiec as one of the religious surrogates who will hit the road stumping for Obama. Kmiec wrote a June 13 op-ed http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/13/EDCJ1181AC.\ DTLhw=Kmiecsn=002sc=844 for the San Francisco Chronicle supporting California's Proposition 8, the ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage, titled On Same-Sex Marriage: Should California Amend Its Constitution? Say `No' to the Brave New World. Kmiec's first two sentences in the piece read, The California ballot initiative intended to set aside the state supreme court's judicial invention of same-sex marriage deserves public support. Maybe it is enough to say, as many do in conversation, that it merely re-secures a millennia of tradition and common sense. Obama, in other words, will campaign with a legal scholar who believes a millennia of tradition, common sense and homophobia should be preserved. Kmiec, by the way, is the former constitutional legal counsel to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. Republican jurisprudence is the change in which the LGBT community can believe, I guess. But it gets worse, for Kmiec writes the following in his 13 JUN op-ed for the San Francisco Chronicle. I quote with emphasis added again: Separating marriage from procreation may also have other remote, but frightening, ill consequences. Society should be skeptical of wider use of asexual procreation. An earlier dark moment in U.S. history employed eugenics to forcibly sterilize the mentally disabled. The push for artificial wombs and the genetic manipulation of intelligence already peppers scientific literature - a push that would no doubt grow, accommodating even the minimal same-sex desire for simulating natural child birth - claimed to be of interest for 20-30 percent of same-sex couples. When carefully assessed, the acquisition of unnatural reproductive means often
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip ++ Did you see the Jon Stewart comparison between the Iraq war and the bailout? Looked like the same boogeyman BS. I didn't watch it, but any such comparison is BS, and Stewart should be ashamed of himself for furthering it, IMHO. Moore too. The bailout looks like another part of an ongoing program that has been going on for a long time. N. I'll grant you it *does* look like that, but looks can be deceptive, especially to nonexperts. One of the major differences is that there were very few experts on Iraq back in 2002-2003, so we had to take BushCo's word for it on the basis for the war. But there are a whole lot of experts on the financial markets today. I don't know if anybody has taken a poll of these experts, but there sure are a lot of them who are insisting that the bailout must be passed. Another difference is that those who were against the Iraq war were almost frozen out of media coverage, whereas this time around, there's at least equal coverage of those for and against the bailout, so the public can't help but hear the negative case, which reinforces their own preconceptions. And yet another difference is that we had just gone through a catastrophe at the time the Iraq War was being engineered, and people were scared and angry, ready to believe whatever the administration told them to avert an even bigger one. This time, while the run-up to the catastrophe has been evident for some time, it's been in slow motion, and a lot of it has been behind the scenes. Just as most ordinary people had no reason to expect 9/11, most ordinary people today don't see any reason to expect a sudden and catastrophic financial meltdown. One of the most telling points, it seems to me, is that it was the Republicans in Congress who were most vehemently in favor of the Iraq War. Today, it's the Republicans in Congress who are most vehemently opposed to the bailout, while most Democrats are supporting it (albeit reluctantly). In other words, the apparent similarities between the Iraq War and the bailout are just that, apparent, and only superficial. When you look deeper, they're very different situations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip ++ Did you see the Jon Stewart comparison between the Iraq war and the bailout? Looked like the same boogeyman BS. I didn't watch it, but any such comparison is BS, and Stewart should be ashamed of himself for furthering it, IMHO. Moore too. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/jon-stewart-bush-bailout_n_129588.html or http://tinyurl.com/4pn588 One word: Apocalypto Four words: Mel Gibson, Christian Bigot Two words: Fuckin' idiot Watch the video. See the side-by-side comparison. Think for yourself. Don't allow fuckin' idiots who want to tell you that a video clip she never deigned to watch is bullshit, the way she tried to convince you that Mel Gibson's movie (that she never saw) was Christian bigotry. [ P.S. This is a statement, not a direct reply to the fuckin' idiot in question. :-) ]
[FairfieldLife] 'Let the Markets Fall'
I don't see why we don't just let the markets fall. This will just give people, especially young people to be able to purchase real estate, that was going through the roof, and well beyond the next generation's ability to purchase any real estate. Why are we so concerned about bailing out the Bush administration who has bankrupted this country. They didn't seem to care, when they were sending people to die in a war that wasn't necessary. They didn't seem to care when the were cleaning up in the oil markets. They didn't seem to care when jobs were lost and illegal immigrants were taking jobs. They don't seem to care if people get medical treatment. They don't seem to care if our infrastrucure is falling apart. They've created a Billion dollar black market and pumped up the prison system, with more people in prison, for non-violent crimes, it's become a big industry. They spent Billions in Iraq, and still are...the same 700 Billion they are asking for now, they already spent this much in Iraq, and for what? They have been drunk on power and greed, and now that they've bankrupted the whole system, the come begging. Let them deal with the bad karma, it's their bad karma, not mine, not yours. Let the bastards go down. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes Vaj, can you describe some of those attributes?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip ++ Did you see the Jon Stewart comparison between the Iraq war and the bailout? Looked like the same boogeyman BS. I didn't watch it, but any such comparison is BS, and Stewart should be ashamed of himself for furthering it, IMHO. Moore too. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/jon-stewart-bush- bailout_n_129588.html or http://tinyurl.com/4pn588 One word: Apocalypto Four words: Mel Gibson, Christian Bigot Two words: Fuckin' idiot Watch the video. See the side-by-side comparison. Think for yourself. Don't allow fuckin' idiots who want to tell you that a video clip she never deigned to watch is bullshit, the way she tried to convince you that Mel Gibson's movie (that she never saw) was Christian bigotry. [ P.S. This is a statement, not a direct reply to the fuckin' idiot in question. :-) ] Thanks, Barry, for responding to my teaser exactly as I figured you would. And thanks for providing the link to the four- minute video. A lot easier and cheaper than it would have been to send me a DVD of Apocalypto, and a lot less time and trouble for me to watch Stewart and confirm my suspicion that he'd be spouting bullshit. It's bullshit. Stewart should be ashamed of himself, as I said before I had seen the clip. Interestingly, in my previous post, without knowing what Stewart had shown and said, I hit several of the points he tried to make. Again, Barry, thanks *very* much for playing. Next time you try to smear me with references to Apocalypto, I'll just pull out this little exchange.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
(snip) Senator Obama has promised to repeal the 'Don't ask don't tell' nonsense. And, we all know the gays and lesbians love the Clintons... So, let them vote for McCain, if they think he will be better. Why does Senator Obama need to beg these people for votes. They haven't liked him from the beginning. He's too normal for them, looks like to me. He has a loving wife, beautiful children, and gay and lesbians can't relate to him. I'm not sure why it is so important for these people to be so prideful of their sexuality. Why do they need to have a whole sub-culture, based on sexualiy? Why do we all have to go along with this nonsense. Let them have all the gay sex they want...is anyone stopping them from having sex? Do we need to take pride in gay and lesbian sex...for what reason? Last time I heard, Pride comes before a fall. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, Barry, thanks *very* much for playing. The fuckin' idiot has only two posts left. Say what you will about me, but the bottom line is that without interacting with the loudmouth from New Jersey even once, here it is Monday morning my time, and she now has only six posts left for the week. Do less, accomplish more. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Dumb fish. RLLY REEELLY dumb fish.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:38 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The actual establishment of witness- consciousness actually has some quite remarkable attributes Vaj, can you describe some of those attributes? Control over waking, sleeping and dreaming--a very easy thing to determine. Decreased need for sleep--most realizers I've hung with always slept around four hours or so and looked a lot better than me in the morning :-); again, very easy to determine. Complete awareness during sleep--also, very easy to determine as the sleeper can give details of what transpired in his/her vicinity. Interestingly this last one was used in a study design at MIU for a person MMY believed was in CC, being familiar with this basic criterion. He was/is a member of this list and it turns out he wasn't in CC at all but instead had central sleep apnea and was thus just being used to foster a false claim for promotion purposes. I first read about it years ago in the Brain/Mind Bulletin as MIU was really touting the claim. As with many of the traditional claims (dramatically lowered metabolic rate, etc.) as soon as they're found independently to be false claims, they move onto some other scheme. Of course the biggie is to be able to go into introverted samadhi for the desired length of time (hours, days).
[FairfieldLife] Scientists discover greater mysteries about the universe.....
.but why do they always give them such crap names? http://tinyurl.com/4kfe8c I mean, Dark Flow. Duh!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 11:51 AM (snip) Senator Obama has promised to repeal the 'Don't ask don't tell' nonsense. And, we all know the gays and lesbians love the Clintons... So, let them vote for McCain, if they think he will be better. Why does Senator Obama need to beg these people for votes. They haven't liked him from the beginning. He's too normal for them, looks like to me. He has a loving wife, beautiful children, and gay and lesbians can't relate to him. Robert, this is a really stupid statement. How many gay or lesbian people do you actually know? Try none, perhaps. If you knew any gay couples you'd realize, horrors, there just like you and me. Now if you were talking about niggers, kikes or spics, you might have a point. We all know what THEY are like, don't we.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting BlockObama never had the support of the LGBT community. Funny. I have a good gay friend who recently attended a big rally for gays for Obama in Miamai. The Human Rights Campaign, a large lobbying organization for gay, lesbian and transgender issues has endorsed Obama. http://www.hrc.org/10571.htm I am sure that raunchy isn't about to change her mind, but: -Obama sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. --Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes laws to include crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation and gender identity. --Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. --Obama believes we need to repeal the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. --Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals. --Although he is against gay marriage, Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be allowed. (Information from the HRC, not vetted by me). So Raunchy, it looks like your only purpose on this site is to present nasty things about Obama. Your profile seems to indicate that is your issue. Are you a meditator? Have you ever been a meditator? Do you participate in other forums and post the same stuff? What is your goal? If it is to entertain, I suppose you are entertaining with your raunchy style. If it is to change minds, hon you aren't going to do that with your strategy.
[FairfieldLife] David Hurlin's Blog and AMAZING YOU TUBE VIDEO in BEN FOSTER'S BEDROOM hehe
From my friend, tabla teacher, and fellow Fairfielder, David Hurlin: Hello friends, family, coworkers, codependents, scholars, lovers, heros, plebians, contacts :) I have a started a blog that I am VERY excited about. http://davidhurlin.livejournal.com Soon it will just be www.davidhurlin.com http://www.davidhurlin.com/ . I would love to hear your opinions thoughts and comments etc. Secondly I am bursting with pride of a video that I made. It's on You Tube and on my blog. It's called http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdBst89kmX4 DAVID HURLIN READS GET LIKE ME BY DAVID BANNER. It is a really hot and current hip hop song that I perform as spoken word performance art piece in Ben Foster's bedroom. I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT IF YOU FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE. I AM TRYING TO GET THIS THING SEEN. LOL. What an amazing thing it is to be alive. Love and peace to you my glorious contacts hehe David -- lovely, David Hurlin www.davidhurlin.com www.involuntaryballet.blogspot.com http://www.drumtheory.blogspot.com/ AIM chat: pvethusiast Yahoo chat: hurlindrums
[FairfieldLife] Who is the misogynist? Barry Wright
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] In related news, www.RaunchyDogIsOnTheRag.com [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Let the Markets Fall'
Here's the problem. As the bastards go down with ship, everyone will scramble for their personal lifeboat. Unfortunately, any gunnels to which you thought you could cling to in the worst of seas, will be in short supply or not exist. [http://www.artknowledgenews.com/files2007a/JohnAlexanderShipOfFools.jpg\ ] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see why we don't just let the markets fall. This will just give people, especially young people to be able to purchase real estate, that was going through the roof, and well beyond the next generation's ability to purchase any real estate. Why are we so concerned about bailing out the Bush administration who has bankrupted this country. They didn't seem to care, when they were sending people to die in a war that wasn't necessary. They didn't seem to care when the were cleaning up in the oil markets. They didn't seem to care when jobs were lost and illegal immigrants were taking jobs. They don't seem to care if people get medical treatment. They don't seem to care if our infrastrucure is falling apart. They've created a Billion dollar black market and pumped up the prison system, with more people in prison, for non-violent crimes, it's become a big industry. They spent Billions in Iraq, and still are...the same 700 Billion they are asking for now, they already spent this much in Iraq, and for what? They have been drunk on power and greed, and now that they've bankrupted the whole system, the come begging. Let them deal with the bad karma, it's their bad karma, not mine, not yours. Let the bastards go down. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. No, I base it on my direct experience of many such claimants, from Robin Woodsworth Carlson in the 80's, up to the present and the large discrepancy between actual jivan-mukti / turiyatita realizers and these claimants. You're new to the list so unfortunately you missed a lot of the ravers. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Just the facts, take 'em or leave 'em, I really could care less Dawn. The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that is still 100,000 meditators globally. You would have had to have done an awful lot of talking with practitioners of the technique to be making your claim of majorities faking witnessing and ranting about enlightenment. Perhaps you are right. However to continue claiming these are facts as you represent them speaks more to the attachment of you to your story than it does any basis in fact.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
(snip) Senator Obama has promised to repeal the 'Don't ask don't tell' nonsense. And, we all know the gays and lesbians love the Clintons... So, let them vote for McCain, if they think he will be better. Why does Senator Obama need to beg these people for votes. They haven't liked him from the beginning. He's too normal for them, looks like to me. He has a loving wife, beautiful children, and gay and lesbians can't relate to him. Robert, this is a really stupid statement. How many gay or lesbian people do you actually know? Try none, perhaps. If you knew any gay couples you'd realize, horrors, there just like you and me. Now if you were talking about niggers, kikes or spics, you might have a point. We all know what THEY are like, don't we. I have a friend in Seattle, whose son is gay...we've had many conversations on the subject, and I have come to a better understanding of the issue, but still have a problem with some, who have to take on this 'Gay Personality' which has nothing to do with being gay. I am Jewish, and when I was younger, I was picked on in my old philadelphian neighborhood for being Jewish...so I know what that's like. It's not fun, I agree. What I was attempting to say, was that I know they had preferred Hillary over Obama, because I assumed they could relate to the Clintons more...that's ok...like I said, Obama is maybe too normal of them to relate to. To me it's the same as the black rappers who have polarized more and more, that we are so different, whites and blacks. It's just another way to perpetuate the illusion of seperateness. When you are attemting to pull people together, why make such a fuss about what you do in the bedroom? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the misogynist? Barry Wright
Don't you just love it how Barry likes fantasizing about my lady parts? Jealous? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] In related news, www.RaunchyDogIsOnTheRag.com [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
Correction: 100,000 meditators would be 5% of the 2 million that have started, not .05 %. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:57 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. No, I base it on my direct experience of many such claimants, from Robin Woodsworth Carlson in the 80's, up to the present and the large discrepancy between actual jivan-mukti / turiyatita realizers and these claimants. You're new to the list so unfortunately you missed a lot of the ravers. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Just the facts, take 'em or leave 'em, I really could care less Dawn. The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that is still 100,000 meditators globally. You would have had to have done an awful lot of talking with practitioners of the technique to be making your claim of majorities faking witnessing and ranting about enlightenment. Perhaps you are right. However to continue claiming these are facts as you represent them speaks more to the attachment of you to your story than it does any basis in fact.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The difference between spontaneous samadhi and spacing out is that nothing is accomplished by spacing out except escape. It is a little like being dead. Caused by actions leading to a big dosha imbalance. Spontaneous samadhi (is there really unspontaneous samadhi?)is real, grounded, effective and useful. There is no limitation on action while in samadhi, whereas it is downright dangerous to drive a car for example while spacing out. Most yogis would also say it is not a good idea to be driving a car and have spontaneous samadhi either. So you've experienced spontaneous samadhi? What useful things did you do with it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
As for the Y2K problem, this was not a catastrophe because the industry did the work; remember all those Cobol programmers that came out of retirement? No, they were already working because the rates were so good in the mid-90s. It was the cheap foreign labor that upped the work force in time, a courtesy to the US congress stabbing the American workforce in the back in exchange for campaign contributions (bribes) to both parties from companies that had never given any money to either party before. Unfortunately, most of the foreign workers are still here and more have come over, so many COBOL programmers of all ages have had to leave the business. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:28 AM --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! I am a fan of MM but this is crap. The money is to replace losses associated with street after street of banged out repossessed homes. Am I wrong? As for the Y2K problem, this was not a catastrophe because the industry did the work; remember all those Cobol programmers that came out of retirement? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information. Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or anything else that actually works. Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience versus their outdated Buddhist practises.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information. Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or anything else that actually works. Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience versus their outdated Buddhist practises. Dude, you left out the best part. Tell her about the weekly checks we get from the CIA.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
From a gay friend regarding the article posted: This characterization seems to disagree with the article I sent you recently by 365gay.com. I neither agree nor disagree. We'll see how he actually behaves in the Oval Office. Then we'll know who was right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information. Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or anything else that actually works. Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience versus their outdated Buddhist practises. Dude, you left out the best part. Tell her about the weekly checks we get from the CIA. Is that how you finance your stay in Spain ? How much do you get ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that is still 100,000 meditators globally. You would have had to have done an awful lot of talking with practitioners of the technique to be making your claim of majorities faking witnessing and ranting about enlightenment. Perhaps you are right. However to continue claiming these are facts as you represent them speaks more to the attachment of you to your story than it does any basis in fact. Since scientists have already determined the EEG criteria of both Patanjali yogins in samadhi and Buddhist yogins in samadhi as the same: High-Amplitude Gamma coherence; and the fact this has yet to be observed in TMers, I'd say the prospect looks pretty grim, esp. given the numbers you propose and zero so far. As soon as I see good scientific evidence of this in TM practitioners, I'll stop and celebrate with everyone else. As I pointed out in my post to Ruth, yogic-style enlightenment has some long-known and pretty darn impressive qualities. You know as well as I do that if these were observed in TM practitioners that not only would they be touting the scientific evidence, we'd be hearing about it all over the media! That's of course not to deny the benefits of TM which a well-known relaxation effect, the so-called relaxation response. Relaxation is a good thing. Do you have some evidence we're not aware of?
[FairfieldLife] Olmert - Things you can say, once you've resigned:
JERUSALEM Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview published on Monday that Israel must withdraw from nearly all the West Bank as well as East Jerusalem to attain peace with the Palestinians and that any occupied land it held onto would have to be exchanged for the same quantity of Israeli territory. He also dismissed as megalomania any thought that Israel would or should attack Iran on its own to stop it from developing nuclear weapons, saying the international community and not Israel alone was charged with handling the issue... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/middleeast/30olmert.html?_r=1hporef=slogin or, http://tinyurl.com/3fhcus
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information. Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or anything else that actually works. Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience versus their outdated Buddhist practises. Dude, you left out the best part. Tell her about the weekly checks we get from the CIA. Hey, let's not forget my Illuminati and New World Order buddies!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that is still 100,000 meditators globally. You would have had to have done an awful lot of talking with practitioners of the technique to be making your claim of majorities faking witnessing and ranting about enlightenment. Perhaps you are right. However to continue claiming these are facts as you represent them speaks more to the attachment of you to your story than it does any basis in fact. Since scientists have already determined the EEG criteria of both Patanjali yogins in samadhi and Buddhist yogins in samadhi as the same: High-Amplitude Gamma coherence; and the fact this has yet to be observed in TMers, I'd say the prospect looks pretty grim, esp. given the numbers you propose and zero so far. As soon as I see good scientific evidence of this in TM practitioners, I'll stop and celebrate with everyone else. As I pointed out in my post to Ruth, yogic-style enlightenment has some long-known and pretty darn impressive qualities. You know as well as I do that if these were observed in TM practitioners that not only would they be touting the scientific evidence, we'd be hearing about it all over the media! That's of course not to deny the benefits of TM which a well- known relaxation effect, the so-called relaxation response. Relaxation is a good thing. Do you have some evidence we're not aware of? Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners, thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing about with regards to their state of consciousness (nor does the TMO). To proclaim the things you are saying as facts is stretching it, and is an indication of your bias, vs. a valid representation. I am not arguing with your point of view, nor am I saying that you must prove it. However, given what you are presenting, all I continue to see is bias, not facts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners, thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing about with regards to their state of consciousness (nor does the TMO). To proclaim the things you are saying as facts is stretching it, and is an indication of your bias, vs. a valid representation. I am not arguing with your point of view, nor am I saying that you must prove it. However, given what you are presenting, all I continue to see is bias, not facts. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
Accroding to the news, it looks like the bailout bill will pass, but they're saying the emails/calls from constituents are 20 to 1 against and many in the House will lose their seats over this, come election time. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:33 AM What good will it do to call Congress? Susan --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:01 AM Friends, Let me cut to the chase. The biggest robbery in the history of this country is taking place as you read this. Though no guns are being used, 300 million hostages are being taken. Make no mistake about it: After stealing a half trillion dollars to line the pockets of their war-profiteering backers for the past five years, after lining the pockets of their fellow oilmen to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars in just the last two years, Bush and his cronies -- who must soon vacate the White House -- are looting the U.S. Treasury of every dollar they can grab. They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door. No matter what they say, no matter how many scare words they use, they are up to their old tricks of creating fear and confusion in order to make and keep themselves and the upper one percent filthy rich. Just read the first four paragraphs of the lead story in last Monday's New York Times and you can see what the real deal is: Even as policy makers worked on details of a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, Wall Street began looking for ways to profit from it. Financial firms were lobbying to have all manner of troubled investments covered, not just those related to mortgages. At the same time, investment firms were jockeying to oversee all the assets that Treasury plans to take off the books of financial institutions, a role that could earn them hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fees. Nobody wants to be left out of Treasury's proposal to buy up bad assets of financial institutions. Unbelievable. Wall Street and its backers created this mess and now they are going to clean up like bandits. Even Rudy Giuliani is lobbying for his firm to be hired (and paid) to consult in the bailout. The problem is, nobody truly knows what this collapse is all about. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Panic! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! Bird flu! Killer bees! We must pass the bailout bill today!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Falling for whom? NOTHING in this bailout package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance. Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse? It has everything to do with it. This so-called collapse was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. Let me state this simply: If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage crisis may never have happened. This bailout's mission is to protect the obscene amount of wealth that has been accumulated in the last eight years. It's to protect the top shareholders who own and control corporate America. It's to make sure their yachts and mansions and way of life go uninterrupted while the rest of America suffers and struggles to pay the bills. Let the rich suffer for once. Let them pay for the bailout. We are spending 400 million dollars a day on the war in Iraq. Let them end the war immediately and save us all another half-trillion dollars! I have to stop writing this and you have to stop reading it. They are staging a financial coup this morning in our country. They are hoping Congress will act fast before they stop to think, before we have a chance to stop them ourselves. So stop reading this and do something -- NOW! Here's what you can
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something. Given Bevan's girth, that's two somethings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
---There's no known measure for one's experience of TC (Being). The measurements are correlated with Benson's relaxation response. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:10 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The generally accepted figure is that around 2 million people have learned TM worldwide, Mr. Vaj. Even if just one half of one percent are continuing the practice (assuming 99.5% no longer do TM), that is still 100,000 meditators globally. You would have had to have done an awful lot of talking with practitioners of the technique to be making your claim of majorities faking witnessing and ranting about enlightenment. Perhaps you are right. However to continue claiming these are facts as you represent them speaks more to the attachment of you to your story than it does any basis in fact. Since scientists have already determined the EEG criteria of both Patanjali yogins in samadhi and Buddhist yogins in samadhi as the same: High-Amplitude Gamma coherence; and the fact this has yet to be observed in TMers, I'd say the prospect looks pretty grim, esp. given the numbers you propose and zero so far. As soon as I see good scientific evidence of this in TM practitioners, I'll stop and celebrate with everyone else. As I pointed out in my post to Ruth, yogic-style enlightenment has some long-known and pretty darn impressive qualities. You know as well as I do that if these were observed in TM practitioners that not only would they be touting the scientific evidence, we'd be hearing about it all over the media! That's of course not to deny the benefits of TM which a well-known relaxation effect, the so-called relaxation response. Relaxation is a good thing. Do you have some evidence we're not aware of?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
Judy, Here's an article below by Jim Jubak on the 700 billion bailout. He writes a regular column for MSN Money. This level of finance is over my head, so I can't make a judgement, but I think he makes some interesting arguments. I think maybe, that as we are changing from an old kali yuga age to a new age of sat yuga this may be a shake up, a cleansing, a purification that is happening, a wake up call. Suzi Orman says that how we handle our money reflects where we are spiritualy. I think this is true for individuals, households, and nations. She says people first, money second, and things third. I agree. http://tiny.cc/dsWhh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip ++ Did you see the Jon Stewart comparison between the Iraq war and the bailout? Looked like the same boogeyman BS. I didn't watch it, but any such comparison is BS, and Stewart should be ashamed of himself for furthering it, IMHO. Moore too. The bailout looks like another part of an ongoing program that has been going on for a long time. N. I'll grant you it *does* look like that, but looks can be deceptive, especially to nonexperts. One of the major differences is that there were very few experts on Iraq back in 2002-2003, so we had to take BushCo's word for it on the basis for the war. But there are a whole lot of experts on the financial markets today. I don't know if anybody has taken a poll of these experts, but there sure are a lot of them who are insisting that the bailout must be passed. Another difference is that those who were against the Iraq war were almost frozen out of media coverage, whereas this time around, there's at least equal coverage of those for and against the bailout, so the public can't help but hear the negative case, which reinforces their own preconceptions. And yet another difference is that we had just gone through a catastrophe at the time the Iraq War was being engineered, and people were scared and angry, ready to believe whatever the administration told them to avert an even bigger one. This time, while the run-up to the catastrophe has been evident for some time, it's been in slow motion, and a lot of it has been behind the scenes. Just as most ordinary people had no reason to expect 9/11, most ordinary people today don't see any reason to expect a sudden and catastrophic financial meltdown. One of the most telling points, it seems to me, is that it was the Republicans in Congress who were most vehemently in favor of the Iraq War. Today, it's the Republicans in Congress who are most vehemently opposed to the bailout, while most Democrats are supporting it (albeit reluctantly). In other words, the apparent similarities between the Iraq War and the bailout are just that, apparent, and only superficial. When you look deeper, they're very different situations.
[FairfieldLife] 'The Church of Divine Sage'
http://www.divinesage.org/about.htm
[FairfieldLife] Barry's right
P.S.: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Watch the video. See the side-by-side comparison. Think for yourself. Don't allow fuckin' idiots who want to tell you that a video clip she never deigned to watch is bullshit (Even though she still thought it was bullshit after she watched it, Barry means.) But Barry's right about one thing: Don't take my word for it about the bailout, don't take Jon Stewart's word for it, don't take Michael Moore's word for it, don't take Bush's word for it. Certainly don't take Barry's word for it! And don't let yourself be stampeded by popular opinion from the left *or* the right. Read up; inform yourself. There's all kinds of excellent material on the Web from people who know what they're talking about and are capable of explaining the situation in terms a layperson can grasp. Links to some good pieces have already been posted here. First get a handle on what's going on; then read what experts have to say on both sides of the issue. *Then* make up your own mind. Just don't make it up the way Barry has--in a vacuum.
[FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation?
A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She's looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners, thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing about with regards to their state of consciousness (nor does the TMO). To proclaim the things you are saying as facts is stretching it, and is an indication of your bias, vs. a valid representation. I am not arguing with your point of view, nor am I saying that you must prove it. However, given what you are presenting, all I continue to see is bias, not facts. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something. Mr. Vaj, An omission of verification is not a fact, scientific or otherwise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I now realize that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-) --- On Mon, 9/29/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:37 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners, thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing about with regards to their state of consciousness (nor does the TMO). To proclaim the things you are saying as facts is stretching it, and is an indication of your bias, vs. a valid representation. I am not arguing with your point of view, nor am I saying that you must prove it. However, given what you are presenting, all I continue to see is bias, not facts. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something. Mr. Vaj, An omission of verification is not a fact, scientific or otherwise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Peter wrote: I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I now realize that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-) Well hey, look at the bright side: at least you didn't try to swallow the absolute like Bevan.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something. Mr. Vaj, An omission of verification is not a fact, scientific or otherwise. That's just it, they haven't omitted an attempt at verification. They've been trying to show something, anything for decades now. We know very well that TMers who claim to witness all the time show an EEG signature statistically insignificant from the style of coherence seen in the waking state of consciousness. Have you had an Enlightenment Report Card done?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Church of Divine Sage'
---Most interesting experiences indicative of a partial awakening of the crown chakra leading to a global awareness of pure Consciousness in which the mental notion of an internalized I drops off. However, no symptoms of a 3-rd eye awakening were given. The individual should get off the Salvia Divinorum and get into the usual Hindu/Buddhist practices of his choice. Drugs are a dead end. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.divinesage.org/about.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation?
Tell her her jyotish says to get a job to pay for what she wants. What, does she think she's on Wallstreet or something? --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:37 PM A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She’s looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ms. Enlightened: On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:37 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something. Mr. Vaj, An omission of verification is not a fact, scientific or otherwise. That's just it, they haven't omitted an attempt at verification. They've been trying to show something, anything for decades now. We know very well that TMers who claim to witness all the time show an EEG signature statistically insignificant from the style of coherence seen in the waking state of consciousness. Have you had an Enlightenment Report Card done? I apologize for kinda driving this into the ground, but I'll conclude this topic by saying that the organization who's mission it is to bring out the Maharishi's knowledge possibly doesn't know where to look for enlightened practioners of TM, if they do in fact exist. Nonetheless Mr. Vaj, I will place you in the doesn't like TM category; not bad, not good- it just is what it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
sounds about right. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think I was enlightened, but after Vaj got done with me I now realize that I'm just clinically depressed. ;-) --- On Mon, 9/29/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:37 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:56 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: Thank you for your information on the EEG High-Amplitude Gamma coherence. An interesting approach to measuring states of consciousness. However, there are still many TM practitioners, thousands, who for whatever reason we know nothing about with regards to their state of consciousness (nor does the TMO). To proclaim the things you are saying as facts is stretching it, and is an indication of your bias, vs. a valid representation. I am not arguing with your point of view, nor am I saying that you must prove it. However, given what you are presenting, all I continue to see is bias, not facts. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the fact is is there currently is no scientific verification of samadhi or CC in TMers. It would be great if there was, but I'm afraid there simply is not. This is not bias, just the facts of science. If it's any consolation, the Maharishi claimed that Bevan Morris was enlightened. Hey, at least that's something. Mr. Vaj, An omission of verification is not a fact, scientific or otherwise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She's looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers? I am totally awesome at this! Tell her February 23. The best times between 12AM and 12 PM. I am absolutely sure about this. I have no doubts. If it works out she'll pay me right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
Nope, it failed 205-228! Good work congress! Let the rich eat cake. Get your video cameras ready as they jump from their skyscrapers. The people rule!!! Viva la revolution! gullible fool wrote: Accroding to the news, it looks like the bailout bill will pass, but they're saying the emails/calls from constituents are 20 to 1 against and many in the House will lose their seats over this, come election time. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:33 AM What good will it do to call Congress? Susan --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:01 AM Friends, Let me cut to the chase. The biggest robbery in the history of this country is taking place as you read this. Though no guns are being used, 300 million hostages are being taken. Make no mistake about it: After stealing a half trillion dollars to line the pockets of their war-profiteering backers for the past five years, after lining the pockets of their fellow oilmen to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars in just the last two years, Bush and his cronies -- who must soon vacate the White House -- are looting the U.S. Treasury of every dollar they can grab. They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door. No matter what they say, no matter how many scare words they use, they are up to their old tricks of creating fear and confusion in order to make and keep themselves and the upper one percent filthy rich. Just read the first four paragraphs of the lead story in last Monday's New York Times and you can see what the real deal is: Even as policy makers worked on details of a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, Wall Street began looking for ways to profit from it. Financial firms were lobbying to have all manner of troubled investments covered, not just those related to mortgages. At the same time, investment firms were jockeying to oversee all the assets that Treasury plans to take off the books of financial institutions, a role that could earn them hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fees. Nobody wants to be left out of Treasury's proposal to buy up bad assets of financial institutions. Unbelievable. Wall Street and its backers created this mess and now they are going to clean up like bandits. Even Rudy Giuliani is lobbying for his firm to be hired (and paid) to consult in the bailout. The problem is, nobody truly knows what this collapse is all about. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Panic! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! Bird flu! Killer bees! We must pass the bailout bill today!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Falling for whom? NOTHING in this bailout package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance. Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse? It has everything to do with it. This so-called collapse was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. Let me state this simply: If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage crisis may never have happened. This bailout's mission is to protect the obscene amount of wealth that has been accumulated in the last eight years. It's to protect the top shareholders who own and control corporate America. It's to make sure their yachts and mansions and way of life go uninterrupted while the rest of America suffers and struggles to pay the bills. Let the rich suffer for once. Let them pay for the bailout. We are spending 400 million dollars a day on the war in Iraq. Let them end the war immediately and save us all another half-trillion dollars! I have to stop writing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientists discover greater mysteries about the universe.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .but why do they always give them such crap names? http://tinyurl.com/4kfe8c I mean, Dark Flow. Duh! The article is very interesting. But the scientists did not appear to consider the possibility that the universe is expanding and is rotating at the same time. That might account for the enigma in their observations. A few years ago, an Indian author proposed that the Rig Veda has sung the theory of a rotating universe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
The Republicans are saying the partisan speech by House speaker Pelosi KO'ed the bill. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:37 PM Nope, it failed 205-228! Good work congress! Let the rich eat cake. Get your video cameras ready as they jump from their skyscrapers. The people rule!!! Viva la revolution! gullible fool wrote: Accroding to the news, it looks like the bailout bill will pass, but they're saying the emails/calls from constituents are 20 to 1 against and many in the House will lose their seats over this, come election time. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:33 AM What good will it do to call Congress? Susan --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:01 AM Friends, Let me cut to the chase. The biggest robbery in the history of this country is taking place as you read this. Though no guns are being used, 300 million hostages are being taken. Make no mistake about it: After stealing a half trillion dollars to line the pockets of their war-profiteering backers for the past five years, after lining the pockets of their fellow oilmen to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars in just the last two years, Bush and his cronies -- who must soon vacate the White House -- are looting the U.S. Treasury of every dollar they can grab. They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door. No matter what they say, no matter how many scare words they use, they are up to their old tricks of creating fear and confusion in order to make and keep themselves and the upper one percent filthy rich. Just read the first four paragraphs of the lead story in last Monday's New York Times and you can see what the real deal is: Even as policy makers worked on details of a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, Wall Street began looking for ways to profit from it. Financial firms were lobbying to have all manner of troubled investments covered, not just those related to mortgages. At the same time, investment firms were jockeying to oversee all the assets that Treasury plans to take off the books of financial institutions, a role that could earn them hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fees. Nobody wants to be left out of Treasury's proposal to buy up bad assets of financial institutions. Unbelievable. Wall Street and its backers created this mess and now they are going to clean up like bandits. Even Rudy Giuliani is lobbying for his firm to be hired (and paid) to consult in the bailout. The problem is, nobody truly knows what this collapse is all about. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone. And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Panic! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! Bird flu! Killer bees! We must pass the bailout bill today!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Falling for whom? NOTHING in this bailout package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance. Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse? It has everything to do with it. This so-called collapse was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. Let me state this simply: If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage crisis may never have happened. This bailout's mission is to protect the obscene amount of wealth that has been accumulated in the last eight years. It's to protect the top shareholders who own and control corporate America. It's to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation?
She could try joining satva101 and asking her questions there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/satva101/ Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:37 PM A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She’s looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers?
[FairfieldLife] The Bradley Effect and the privacy of the voting booth
The Bradley Effect is defined in Wikipedia as ...a frequently observed discrepancy between voter opinion polls and election outcomes in American political campaigns when a white candidate and a non-white candidate run against each other. The Effect does not discriminate by political party nor by region. It hapens in the south and it happens in the north. See: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=268328 From what I could tell from the above linked-to article, the Bradley Effect ranges from about 9% to 16%. So when Bongo Brazil gleefully posts the results of an opinion poll showing Barack ahead by 6 points I wonder if that translates into a 4 point deficit for Obama once the Bradley Effect is factored in. Also: if you have an election that is MORE important -- such as this presidential election -- does the Bradley Effect become stronger? Or Weaker? I also wonder if the Effect gets stronger when a larger percentage of the electorate are accused of being racist. This is a phenomenon that has been experienced by some on this forum: oppose Barack and risk being called a racist. How will such accused and labelled persons respond once in the privacy of the voting booth? I suspect that they will NOT cast votes for Barack just to spite their accusers, don't you think?
[FairfieldLife] House votes *against* bailout 228-205
The US House of Representatives tonight voted against the $700 billion financial rescue plan, sending shock waves through the world's financial markets. There was a clear majority for the defeat: 226 lawmakers voted against the bill and 207 were in favour. Wall Street shares plunged sharply as the news came through, tumbling 5 per cent. President George Bush has said the bill is necessary if the US is to avoid financial panic and a long and painful recession. Republicans led the House revolt against the bill. Their leaders later announced they were to meet to discuss the next steps. [...] Members of the House shouted news of the plummeting Dow Jones average as others crowded on the House floor during the drawn-out and tense call of the roll, which dragged on for roughly 40 minutes as leaders on both sides scrambled to corral enough of their rank-and-file members to support the deeply unpopular measure. They found only two and the bill was rejected 228-205. Democratic and Republican negotiators continued private talks in a bid to bring a similar bill for another vote before the House breaks. ~~Independent [UK]: http://tinyurl.com/4anflw
[FairfieldLife] '87 and 9-11 crashes
If I remember correctly, life went on afterwards. Sure, people lost money in their 401(k)s and IRAs but few lost jobs (relatively speaking). If we do nothing -- i.e., do not pass this massive bailout -- how terrible will things get? Maybe the market NEEDS this correction...
Re: [FairfieldLife] House votes *against* bailout 228-205
Someone on CNBC just brought up a good point, that the choice the Republicans now have has is to either pass a bill or to kiss McCain's chances good-bye. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] House votes *against* bailout 228-205 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:52 PM The US House of Representatives tonight voted against the $700 billion financial rescue plan, sending shock waves through the world's financial markets. There was a clear majority for the defeat: 226 lawmakers voted against the bill and 207 were in favour. Wall Street shares plunged sharply as the news came through, tumbling 5 per cent. President George Bush has said the bill is necessary if the US is to avoid financial panic and a long and painful recession. Republicans led the House revolt against the bill. Their leaders later announced they were to meet to discuss the next steps. [...] Members of the House shouted news of the plummeting Dow Jones average as others crowded on the House floor during the drawn-out and tense call of the roll, which dragged on for roughly 40 minutes as leaders on both sides scrambled to corral enough of their rank-and-file members to support the deeply unpopular measure. They found only two and the bill was rejected 228-205. Democratic and Republican negotiators continued private talks in a bid to bring a similar bill for another vote before the House breaks. ~~Independent [UK]: http://tinyurl.com/4anflw To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Repeated Gay Bashing Risks the Loss of a Key Voting Block
I think if other peoples' behavior creates and illusion of separateness - it not their behavior that's causing it - but the inability of the seer (the person perceiving the gay person or rapper.) to identify the unity at the basis of all behavior in their own perception. Can't be any unity in diversity if the diversity doesn't exist! Unless, of course, an enlightened society contains a homogenous mass of boring clones who never say or do anything clever...or threatening. I think, the boundaries created by different styles of language and culture remain in place - meaning, even in a perfect enlightened world gay people still behave FABULOUSLY! Big slap with a pink feather boa! more, that we are so different, whites and blacks. It's just another way to perpetuate the illusion of seperateness. When you are attemting to pull people together, why make such a fuss about what you do in the bedroom? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, it failed 205-228! Good work congress! Let the rich eat cake. Get your video cameras ready as they jump from their skyscrapers. The people rule!!! Viva la revolution! I am very pleased with this also. And I have just read that another amazing thing has happened-- As a result of Congress refusing payment of this ransom, the government is actually working as it should-- The Federal Reserve and Treasury have combined to make over $620B available to the banks in the form of long- term (84 day) and short-term (28 day) loans. When we the people don't blink, the hostage crisis evaporates. May God Bless Nancy Pelosi, who many are saying sealed the vote on the House floor with a closing speech on the debate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
If it works out she'll pay me right? If her opportunity to invest in a governor-owned business venture bings home the bacon BIG, then I'm certain she'll pay you, Curtis. :) Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:28 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She's looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers? I am totally awesome at this! Tell her February 23. The best times between 12AM and 12 PM. I am absolutely sure about this. I have no doubts. If it works out she'll pay me right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] May God Bless Nancy Pelosi, who many are saying sealed the vote on the House floor with a closing speech on the debate. Are you insane? Nancy Pelosi voted FOR the bill!
[FairfieldLife] Roll Call -- how your representative in the house voted
I am very proud to say that my Congressman -- Jeff Flake of Arizona -- voted AGAINST the bill. Republicans voted 135 to 65 AGAINST Democrats voted 140 to 95 FOR. D 110 2nd U.S. House of Representatives 674 H R 3997 On Concurring in Senate Amendment With An Amendment RECORDED VOTE Failed 29-Sep-2008 2:07 PM To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes Party Ayes Noes Answered âPresentâ Not Voting Republican 65 133 0 1 Democratic 140 95 0 0 Independent 0 0 0 0 Totals 205 228 0 1 AbercrombieNo AckermanAye AderholtNo AkinNo AlexanderNo AllenAye AltmireNo AndrewsAye ArcuriAye BacaNo BachmannNo BachusAye BairdAye BaldwinAye Barrett (SC)No BarrowNo Bartlett (MD)No Barton (TX)No BeanAye BecerraNo BerkleyNo BermanAye BerryAye BiggertNo BilbrayNo BilirakisNo Bishop (GA)Aye Bishop (NY)Aye Bishop (UT)No BlackburnNo BlumenauerNo BluntAye BoehnerAye BonnerAye Bono MackAye BoozmanAye BorenAye BoswellAye BoucherAye BoustanyNo Boyd (FL) Aye Boyda (KS)No Brady (PA)Aye Brady (TX)Aye Braley (IA)No Broun (GA) No Brown (SC)Aye Brown, CorrineAye Brown-Waite, GinnyNo BuchananNo BurgessNo Burton (IN)No ButterfieldNo BuyerNo CalvertAye Camp (MI)Aye Campbell (CA)Aye CannonAye CantorAye CapitoNo CappsAye CapuanoAye CardozaAye CarnahanAye CarneyNo CarsonNo CarterNo CastleAye CastorNo CazayouxNo ChabotNo ChandlerNo ChildersNo ClarkeAye ClayNo CleaverNo ClyburnAye CobleNo CohenAye Cole (OK)Aye ConawayNo ConyersNo CooperAye CostaAye CostelloNo CourtneyNo CramerAye CrenshawAye CrowleyAye CubinAye CuellarNo CulbersonNo CummingsNo Davis (AL)Aye Davis (CA)Aye Davis (IL)Aye Davis (KY)No Davis, DavidNo Davis, LincolnNo Davis, TomAye Deal (GA)No DeFazioNo DeGetteAye DelahuntNo DeLauroAye DentNo Diaz-Balart, L.No Diaz-Balart, M.No DicksAye DingellAye DoggettNo DonnellyAye DoolittleNo DoyleAye DrakeNo DreierAye DuncanNo Edwards (MD)No Edwards (TX)Aye EhlersAye EllisonAye EllsworthAye EmanuelAye EmersonAye EngelAye English (PA)No EshooAye EtheridgeAye EverettAye FallinNo FarrAye FattahAye FeeneyNo FergusonAye FilnerNo FlakeNo ForbesNo FortenberryNo FossellaAye FosterAye FoxxNo Frank (MA)Aye Franks (AZ)No FrelinghuysenNo GalleglyNo Garrett (NJ)No GerlachNo GiffordsNo GilchrestAye GillibrandNo GingreyNo GohmertNo GonzalezAye GoodeNo GoodlatteNo GordonAye GrangerAye GravesNo Green, AlNo Green, GeneNo GrijalvaNo GutierrezAye Hall (NY)Aye Hall (TX)No HareAye HarmanAye Hastings (FL) Aye Hastings (WA)No HayesNo HellerNo HensarlingNo HergerAye Herseth SandlinNo HigginsAye HillNo HincheyNo HinojosaAye HironoNo HobsonAye HodesNo HoekstraNo HoldenNo HoltAye HondaAye HooleyAye HoyerAye HulshofNo HunterNo Inglis (SC)Aye InsleeNo IsraelAye IssaNo Jackson (IL)No Jackson-Lee (TX)No JeffersonNo Johnson (GA)No Johnson (IL)No Johnson, E. B.Aye Johnson, SamNo Jones (NC)No JordanNo KagenNo KanjorskiAye KapturNo KellerNo KennedyAye KildeeAye KilpatrickNo KindAye King (IA)No King (NY)Aye KingstonNo KirkAye Klein (FL)Aye Kline (MN)Aye KnollenbergNo KucinichNo Kuhl (NY)No LaHoodAye LambornNo LampsonNo LangevinAye Larsen (WA)Aye Larson (CT)Aye LathamNo LaTouretteNo LattaNo LeeNo LevinAye Lewis (CA)Aye Lewis (GA) No Lewis (KY)Aye LinderNo LipinskiNo LoBiondoNo LoebsackAye Lofgren, ZoeAye LoweyAye LucasNo Lungren, Daniel E.Aye LynchNo MackNo Mahoney (FL)Aye Maloney (NY)Aye ManzulloNo MarchantNo MarkeyAye MarshallAye MathesonNo MatsuiAye McCarthy (CA)No McCarthy (NY)Aye McCaul (TX)No McCollum (MN)Aye McCotterNo McCreryAye McDermottAye McGovernAye McHenryNo McHughAye McIntyreNo McKeonAye McMorris RodgersNo McNerneyAye McNultyAye Meek (FL)Aye Meeks (NY)Aye MelanconAye MicaNo MichaudNo Miller (FL)No Miller (MI)No Miller (NC)Aye Miller, GaryAye Miller, GeorgeAye MitchellNo MollohanAye Moore (KS)Aye Moore (WI)Aye Moran (KS)No Moran (VA)Aye Murphy (CT)Aye Murphy, PatrickAye Murphy, TimNo MurthaAye MusgraveNo MyrickNo NadlerAye NapolitanoNo Neal (MA) Aye NeugebauerNo NunesNo OberstarAye ObeyAye OlverAye OrtizNo PalloneAye PascrellNo PastorNo PaulNo PayneNo PearceNo PelosiAye PenceNo PerlmutterAye Peterson (MN)No Peterson (PA)Aye PetriNo PickeringAye PittsNo PlattsNo PoeNo PomeroyAye PorterAye Price (GA)No Price (NC)Aye Pryce (OH)Aye PutnamAye RadanovichAye RahallAye RamstadNo RangelAye RegulaAye RehbergNo ReichertNo RenziNo ReyesAye ReynoldsAye RichardsonAye RodriguezNo Rogers (AL)Aye Rogers (KY)Aye Rogers (MI)No RohrabacherNo Ros-LehtinenNo RoskamNo RossAye RothmanNo Roybal-AllardNo RoyceNo RuppersbergerAye RushNo Ryan (OH)Aye Ryan (WI) Aye SalazarNo SaliNo Sánchez, Linda T.No Sanchez, LorettaNo SarbanesAye SaxtonAye ScaliseNo SchakowskyAye SchiffNo SchmidtNo SchwartzAye Scott (GA)No Scott (VA)No SensenbrennerNo SerranoNo SessionsAye SestakAye ShadeggNo ShaysAye Shea-PorterNo ShermanNo ShimkusNo ShulerNo ShusterNo SimpsonAye SiresAye SkeltonAye
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: [snip] May God Bless Nancy Pelosi, who many are saying sealed the vote on the House floor with a closing speech on the debate. Are you insane? good question... Nancy Pelosi voted FOR the bill! Darn! I haven't read the roll call yet...I am really pleased that the Republicans rediscovered the principle of free party economics and/or were too scared to vote for the bill given the close election. I am unhappy that the Democrats proved themselves deeply in the pockets of the wealthy.
[FairfieldLife] The observable universe on a log scale
The observable universe, on a log scale: http://xkcd.com/482/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] May God Bless Nancy Pelosi, who many are saying sealed the vote on the House floor with a closing speech on the debate. Are you insane? Nancy Pelosi voted FOR the bill! According to fair and balanced CNN it was her speech this morning where she accused the failed Bush policies but then I think the anchors were pissed because their 401Ks which are probably far fatter than any of ours were going into the toilet. Barney Frank said it was a block of free market Republicans who were responsible. I didn't know that Dennis Kucinich was a free market Republican. And we have some Republicans (but not all) blaming the Dems. To me it looks like the establishment representatives against the people's representatives. The people spoke that they wanted no bailout for the rich and the modified bill still let the rich make out like bandits. It's been fun watching those so attached to money panic on TV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: [snip] May God Bless Nancy Pelosi, who many are saying sealed the vote on the House floor with a closing speech on the debate. Are you insane? Nancy Pelosi voted FOR the bill! According to fair and balanced CNN it was her speech this morning where she accused the failed Bush policies but then I think the anchors were pissed because their 401Ks which are probably far fatter than any of ours were going into the toilet. Barney Frank said it was a block of free market Republicans who were responsible. I didn't know that Dennis Kucinich was a free market Republican. And we have some Republicans (but not all) blaming the Dems. To me it looks like the establishment representatives against the people's representatives. The people spoke that they wanted no bailout for the rich and the modified bill still let the rich make out like bandits. It's been fun watching those so attached to money panic on TV. Give credit where credit is due, Bhairitu: Republicans defeated this thing; Democrats wanted it passed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore
Hi, clucere-- Thanks for the cite. Unfortunately, it's academic now. I don't have the knowledge to evaluate his suggestions either, but I sure don't find his contention that not passing the bill won't knock the economy into a tailspin very convincing. He certainly doesn't provide much in the way of support for it. We just have to pray he's right. BTW, his objection that there won't be any oversight is outdated. The column was written five days ago; since then, a bunch of congressional oversight measures were added to the bill. But good for you for seeking out expert opinion on this. I just wish more of our congresscritters had done so rather than voting their gut because they were afraid they'd lose their seats if they didn't bow to their constituents' ill-informed opposition. This is my 50th for the week, so I'll see y'all later, assuming we're still all here! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, clucere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, Here's an article below by Jim Jubak on the 700 billion bailout. He writes a regular column for MSN Money. This level of finance is over my head, so I can't make a judgement, but I think he makes some interesting arguments. I think maybe, that as we are changing from an old kali yuga age to a new age of sat yuga this may be a shake up, a cleansing, a purification that is happening, a wake up call. Suzi Orman says that how we handle our money reflects where we are spiritualy. I think this is true for individuals, households, and nations. She says people first, money second, and things third. I agree. http://tiny.cc/dsWhh
[FairfieldLife] Madame Speaker: Shut your partisan pie hole!
So, bottom line, the thing has got to pass. But it failed today in the Democratically-controlled House by 23 votes, with more than 90 Democrats voting against it. Question: Where is Barack Obama? The man is the newly annointed head of the Democratic Party. He could tell his followers in Congress that for the good of the country, they have to vote for this, awful as it is. Has he? No. Why? Either because he doesn't understand what we are actually facing, or because he sees it's unpopular and hasn't the guts to risk his lead in the polls by swimming against present opinion. The country cannot abide such leadership. You can't just vote present on this one. Nor would such a vote by Obama be honest, since in fact he's not even present . . . . Read more: 'Where is Barack Obama?' Posted by Paul Mirengoff Powerline, September 29, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4zj9e9
[FairfieldLife] Nabby off his golden rocker
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From a friend: Friends, I have been reading feverishly these past several months as our markets have entered turbulent times. The financial crisis America finds itself immersed in is summarized by the author below and echoed by more than a handful of market experts who publish respected newsletters. If all these fools, commonly called The Public, had followed Maharishis advice to buy gold when it was under 200 an ounce they would not go bankrupt enmasse today. Oh, really? Maharishi said to buy gold back in '78? Cause that's the last time it was under $200/ounce...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Madame Speaker: Shut your partisan pie hole!
Both presidential candidates avoiding vote to dodge the controversy, even though they had said ahead of time they would vote for it. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Madame Speaker: Shut your partisan pie hole! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 4:11 PM So, bottom line, the thing has got to pass. But it failed today in the Democratically-controlled House by 23 votes, with more than 90 Democrats voting against it. Question: Where is Barack Obama? The man is the newly annointed head of the Democratic Party. He could tell his followers in Congress that for the good of the country, they have to vote for this, awful as it is. Has he? No. Why? Either because he doesn't understand what we are actually facing, or because he sees it's unpopular and hasn't the guts to risk his lead in the polls by swimming against present opinion. The country cannot abide such leadership. You can't just vote present on this one. Nor would such a vote by Obama be honest, since in fact he's not even present . . . . Read more: 'Where is Barack Obama?' Posted by Paul Mirengoff Powerline, September 29, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4zj9e9 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Isn't It Funny?
Isn't it funny how the administration and their cronies have been talking for months that the economy is just fine and there is no recession in sight and then this last week they're scared to death and screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling. The people weren't buying chicken little's tactics this time. And the shit hit the fan big time this morning. It's interesting to watch the people who post here that want to appear as sensible adults IOW posting stuff really against what they want to say but how they want to look, while others of us just speak our minds. I guess these people don't seem to realize that a bunch of people who practice or have practiced meditation are enlightened enough to see through their bluff.
[FairfieldLife] Yammering and inaction in the face of the financial crisis
Who caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression? Senator Chris Dodd, Chair of the Senate Banking Committee. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House. And Barak Obama, the Demcratic Party candidate, the community orgainzer and supporter of ACORN in Chicago. They put themselves first and their country second! Is that the change you can count on? I guess so. Their yammering and inaction in the face of this financial crisis is bad enough, but it is yet more frightening to think about what Obama would do, or fail to do, in the face of the far more malevolent and lethal threat we will face if and when he occupies the White House. Read more: 'Where is Barack Obama?' Posted by Paul Mirengoff Powerline, September 29, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4zj9e9 So, why didn't someone warn us about the housing crises? Someone else did. In 2005, John McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act, which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie Fannie. The bill didn't pass. But, guess who blocked it? The junior senator from Illinois, i.e., Barack Obama, the same Barak Obama that chose Jim Johnson, former head (1991-1998) of Fannie Mae, to help advise him on whom to pick for the vice-presidential candidate. Is this the same Jim Johnson who from 1985 to 1990, was managing director of Lehman Brothers? P.S. You might also want to check out one of Barack Obama's other advisors: Franklin Raines, former CEO of Freddie Mac. Read more: 'Who caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression?' Posted by Roger Kimball http://tinyurl.com/3zfjb7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yammering and inaction in the face of the financial crisis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression? Senator Chris Dodd, Chair of the Senate Banking Committee. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House. And Barak Obama, the Demcratic Party candidate, the community orgainzer and supporter of ACORN in Chicago. They put themselves first and their country second! Is that the change you can count on? I guess so. Their yammering and inaction in the face of this financial crisis is bad enough, but it is yet more frightening to think about what Obama would do, or fail to do, in the face of the far more malevolent and lethal threat we will face if and when he occupies the White House. Read more: 'Where is Barack Obama?' Posted by Paul Mirengoff Powerline, September 29, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4zj9e9 So, why didn't someone warn us about the housing crises? Someone else did. In 2005, John McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act, which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie Fannie. The bill didn't pass. But, guess who blocked it? The junior senator from Illinois, i.e., Barack Obama, the same Barak Obama that chose Jim Johnson, former head (1991-1998) of Fannie Mae, to help advise him on whom to pick for the vice-presidential candidate. Is this the same Jim Johnson who from 1985 to 1990, was managing director of Lehman Brothers? P.S. You might also want to check out one of Barack Obama's other advisors: Franklin Raines, former CEO of Freddie Mac. Read more: 'Who caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression?' Posted by Roger Kimball http://tinyurl.com/3zfjb7 Let's get back to basics. People are responsible for their own vote despite party posturing. Too bad this crisis came at election time, no matter what the candidates will be blamed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Isn't It Funny?
Bhairitu wrote: Isn't it funny how the administration and their cronies have been talking for months that the economy is just fine and there is no recession in sight and then this last week they're scared to death and screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling. This is NOT funny: Gregory Meeks (he's p* off by criticism of Fannie Mae and Franklin Raines), Maxine Waters (we do not have a crisis at Fannie Mae), Lacy Clay (I get the feeling that the markets are not worried about the safety and soundnes of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) and Barney Frank (It serves us badly to raise safety and soundness as a kind of general shibboleth when it doesn't seem to be an issue). Read more: 'From little ACORN grows' Posted by Scott Johnson Powerline, September 29, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4ztelj
[FairfieldLife] What happened to the big, tough Republicans?
~Republican supporters of the bailout try to blame Pelosi for the defeat~ Republicans said Pelosi may have lost votes with a floor speech they considered too partisan. We could have gotten it if it were not for this partisan speech that Speaker Pelosi gave, Boehner said. Added Rep. Chris Shays, a Connecticut Republican who also voted for the bill: Nancy blew it. That is an absurd accusation at a time when our country is in deep economic distress, a Pelosi spokesman fired back. You don't vote on a speech, you vote on a bill. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14050.html ~~~NOW WATCH Barney Frank ridicule those pathetic Republicans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPki41U-lE
