[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Prohibition Feeds Mexican Mafia'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just like Al Capone using machine guns in Chicago... The same is propelled in Mexico; By Prohibition. It's that simple. Thinking that you can change behavior by passing laws is just idiotic. In the end, you have to respect to power of free will. Else you have fascism. Just to be clear, you're talking about prohibition in Mexico. Since Tequila is no longer legal in Mexico, we now sell Al Capone machine guns to the Mexican government to enforce idiotic laws. Geez, if the Mexicans just had a little more respect for the power of free will, we wouldn't have to worry about fascist bootleggers taking our jobs in America. Who are these facsist bootleggers, and what's up with the Tequila? I never heard of anything but Tequila and XXX Beer, and so forth; Not having Tequila in Mexico, is like not having Cigars in Havana... Guns and Prohibition go together, was my point. Add in a few German Shepards, and there ya go! Fences were supposed to take care of the problem. What exactly will take care of the problem, in your book? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] 'Notable Economists say Be Good to the Jah'
Anyone who has ever read Milton Friedman's Free To Choose (a book everyone interested in Economics should read at some point in their life) knows that Friedman is a staunch supporter of the legalization of marijuana. Friedman isn't alone in that regard, as he joined over 500 economists in signing An Open Letter to the President, Congress, Governors, and State Legislatures on the benefits of legalizing marijuana. Friedman isn't the only well known economist to sign the letter, it was also signed by Nobel Laureate George Akerlof and other notable economists including Daron Acemoglu of MIT, Howard Margolis of the University of Chicago, and Walter Williams of George Mason University. The letter reads as follows: We, the undersigned, call your attention to the attached report by Professor Jeffrey A. Miron, The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition. The report shows that marijuana legalization -- replacing prohibition with a system of taxation and regulation -- would save $7.7 billion per year in state and federal expenditures on prohibition enforcement and produce tax revenues of at least $2.4 billion annually if marijuana were taxed like most consumer goods. If, however, marijuana were taxed similarly to alcohol or tobacco, it might generate as much as $6.2 billion annually. The fact that marijuana prohibition has these budgetary impacts does not by itself mean prohibition is bad policy. Existing evidence, however, suggests prohibition has minimal benefits and may itself cause substantial harm.We therefore urge the country to commence an open and honest debate about marijuana prohibition. We believe such a debate will favor a regime in which marijuana is legal but taxed and regulated like other goods. At a minimum, this debate will force advocates of current policy to show that prohibition has benefits sufficient to justify the cost to taxpayers, foregone tax revenues, and numerous ancillary consequences that result from marijuana prohibition. I highly recommend anyone interested in the topic to read Miron's report on marijuana legalization, or at the very least see the executive summary. Given the high number of people who are incarcerated each year for marijuana offences and the high cost of housing prisoners, the $7.7 billion in expected savings seems like a reasonable figure, though I would like to see estimates produced by other groups. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the legalization of marijuana and on Miron's report. You can contact me by using the feedback form. Marijuana Legalization Links Milton Friedman, 500+ Economists Call for Marijuana Regulation Debate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: We should note that Jefferson was rumored to have had dalliances with his female slave, with whom he had several children. Lately, it appears that this rumor is now accepted as fact. Can we assume that you *don't* accept it as fact? DNA tests in 1996 proved that Sally Hemmings' kids were descendents of Jefferson. What do YOU believe as fact? Would you believe that Thomas Jefferson was not diddling his slaves if it said so in the Vedic literature? I'm more inclined to believe that the rumor is true. However, this apparent fact would bring other interesting points relating ideas presented in the vedic literature. Just as a question, are you aware that this fact would bring up those 'related' ideas only in someone who fears women? For instance, the literature includes many stories relating to aspsaras, or the celestial dancers. These are supposedly beautiful goddesses in Indra's court. Every now and then, Indra would order these apsaras to tempt those who are attempting to be rishis through there austerity and meditation programs. And you believe that austerity and meditation programs are by definition somehow higher or better than having sex and having children? And that being a rishi is somehow better or higher than being a householder? Or even being Just A Guy? You do, dude, whether you know it or not. Other- wise you would never have made this non-existent connection between Jefferson (who aspired to no such status, and was Just A Guy) and these cave-bound, fearful guys who were pursuing rishi status. Jefferson was Just A Guy who fell in love with Just A Woman. End of story. He didn't hide it. He loved Sally Hemmings, accord- ing to all reports during his life. And I, for one, have to value that as higher or better than someone wasting their life in meditation, hoping for results that benefit only himself. I'm writing back only because I get SO tired of this glorification of Male Chauvinist scripture, written by men who were terrified of women, *for* other men who are terrified of women, painting half the human race as mere temptresses, created for no other purpose than to make their wangers rise instead of their kundalini and lure them off the spiritual path. I can conceive of no sadder view of life. And to glorify a supposed God or gods whom one believes supposedly *created* such a sad view of life? Even sadder. In other words, was Jefferson tempted by an apsara, in the guise of Sally Hemmings? In other words, Jefferson was Just A Guy, just as Buddha was Just A Guy, and just as every supposed male saint or avatar or rishi in history has been Just A Guy. The only difference was that Jefferson was smarter than the fearful rishis who were so terrified of women that when it came time to make up fairy stories, the only ones they could think up involved self-importance fantasies about how all the women around them were trying to tempt them. That and the fact that Jefferson actually DID SOMETHING with his life, whereas most of the rishis just sat around and indulged in self- importance fantasies and wrote about it, for the enjoyment of other male chauvinist, fearful men who like reading such stories so that *they* can indulge in self-importance fantasies, too. Have I made my position on this clear enough? If not, here it is in two sentences. Anyone who believes that God made half the human race superior to the other half, and that he has to FEAR the other half lest they lure him away from that God, more than deserves that God. May they be happy together in their male chauvinist heaven. You probably didn't intend to say exactly this, John, but IMO you DO believe it. It's been apparent in your posts here since Day One. You glorify fairy tales that glorify men and that portray women as whores and temptresses. It comes up as a theme in your posts often. And I think that's sad. But if it gets you through the day to believe that women are here to tempt you away from the true path, may you be happy on that path. Horny, but happy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Apocalyptic Daddy Fantasies (was Re: '2012 and Solar Maximus')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: I just watched a bad, pirated, fuzzy CAM copy of this flick, and it only adds to the feelings of dismay I felt when I first read Robert's post. When I first read it, my first thought was, What you focus on, you become, and a sense of sadness that someone who had spent so long on paths of supposed self discovery could focus so intently on The End Of The World, in all its supposed manifestations. Then I saw this movie, and that sadness heightened. This is NOT a good film. But it's going to be a popular one (it is now currently the most popular film in America) because it focuses on what many people WANT to happen, and WANT to become. They want to become pawns in the game of Gods, who KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. They want aliens or God or gods and goddesses or Big Verginas from the Pleiaides to KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENINGS, AND TELL THEM. They want to be special, because they know what is happening, and no one else does. Like the char- acters in this film, they don't even CARE if the world goes to hell in a firestorm, JUST AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONVINCED THEY KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING, and no one else does. Ego. What monstrous ego. Maybe the planet really DOES deserve to become a cosmic crispy critter, if this is all the creativity its inhabitants can muster up. More importantly if the Sun winds up belching a flare and the Earth is in the way there is no guy in the sky that is going to save living creatures on Earth. But you wouldn't believe how many times I've mentioned in this scenario in the past that people wanted to believe the guy in the sky would save them. And also hated me for mentioning the scenario. :-D Yup. It reminded me of a post that Stu made here a while back in which he complained that a LOT of the plots of movies and TV he was seeing around him involved deus ex machina, the Unseen Force that really runs things and makes everything work out right. At the time, I didn't quite agree. But since then I have watched more of Lost, watched the ending of Battlestar Galactica, watched the beginnings of Kings, and watched this movie, Knowing. ALL of these stories are deus ex machina, and involve the belief in some Big Guy or Big Aliens who are looking out for us, and who know better than we do, and are taking care of us. It's the cinematic counterpart of Nabby's belief in the fictional Maitreya and the aliens who are going to come someday and make everything right. It's an ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITY FANTASY. IMO, of course. Some obviously *like* such fantasies, and have for centuries. God will take care of things; we don't have to, and all that. I just tend to shake my head when I see more and more and more of these fantasies arise when times get tough. It's like When the going gets tough, the tough hide under rocks and expect Daddy to come and save them. Not my kinda plotline. Why can't we have more plots in which the human race saves ITSELF? Through nothing more mysterious than using its gifts of free will, intelligence, and getting off its collective butt to DO SOMETHING?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Prohibition Feeds Mexican Mafia'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just like Al Capone using machine guns in Chicago... The same is propelled in Mexico; By Prohibition. It's that simple. Thinking that you can change behavior by passing laws is just idiotic. In the end, you have to respect to power of free will. Else you have fascism. Just to be clear, you're talking about prohibition in Mexico. Since Tequila is no longer legal in Mexico, we now sell Al Capone machine guns to the Mexican government to enforce idiotic laws. Geez, if the Mexicans just had a little more respect for the power of free will, we wouldn't have to worry about fascist bootleggers taking our jobs in America. Who are these facsist bootleggers, and what's up with the Tequila? I never heard of anything but Tequila and XXX Beer, and so forth; Not having Tequila in Mexico, is like not having Cigars in Havana... Guns and Prohibition go together, was my point. Add in a few German Shepards, and there ya go! Fences were supposed to take care of the problem. What exactly will take care of the problem, in your book? R.G. O.K. Now I have to ask. Who is prohibiting whom from what? Define the problem more clearly and we can have a conversation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Foundation Television
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: I must say however that David Lynch does seem rather naive. Is it possible? I suppose also that Twin Peaks sounds alot like siamese twins playing doctor, so there's that too. I had an email conversation going for a while with a lovely woman who had worked as Lynch's private secretary for many years. While she loved the guy, she often described him as the most naive person I have ever met in my entire life. She said he was *always* being scammed by people, because he just had no internal defenses. He believed everything anyone told him. She also described some of his quirks, which verge on OCD. He ate the same thing every day, *exactly* the same thing, and tended to panic if he couldn't get it. While I applaud his naive intention in trying to make this teach TM in schools thing happen, I really wish he hadn't been enough of a TB to waste his money trying to make it happen in American schools. It's going to fail, and fail big in my opinion, because of the...duh...US Constitution. The first big implementation of one of these quiet time cases is going to create a court case, and the judges are going to be shown translations of the puja, Rajas dressed up as pretend kings of a pretend country, hordes of cultists watching pundits chanting and paying for *very* expensive yagyas to propitiate Hindu deities, and TM is never going to be allowed nearer to an American school than a convicted child molester, ever again. And Constitutionally, I think that's a Good Thing. But it'll set back the teaching of medi- tation *as a whole* terribly. That's my real objection to this initiative. In his naivete, David Lynch is believing the TMO PR and believing that he can get away with teaching TM in American schools. I don't think he can, in today's political climate. He certainly couldn't have gotten away with it back in Jefferson's time. Tom would have ridden him out of town on a rail, like he did the Christian preachers who were trying to do the same thing in schools in his state. I wish he'd just created a somewhat *broader* initiative, and thrown his money into better PR for TM *for the public*, and since the TMO has priced it out of the market, subsidized the cost of TM instruction for *everyone*, not just schoolkids. That would be a Cool Thing, IMO, and a thing I would support wholeheartedly. But trying to do this with students? And IN schools? That's just a level of naivete that cannot HELP but backfire IMO. And it backfires not only on TM but on *all* forms of meditation. It will set back the possibility of getting REAL secular meditation practices acceptable in school systems. The school systems will look at the TM debacle and think, If one of these meditation techniques was a scam by a religious cult, then all of them are. All of them aren't. As Vaj has pointed out, there are some GENUINELY secular forms of meditation out there, and they *would* have a strong place in schools. But IMO they're going to be tarred with the same brush as TM in the wake of what Lynch's failed experiment is going to produce. IMO, Curtis got it right. Lynch is a very sweet and very naive TM TB who bought Maharishi's instruction to teach TM in schools without ever thinking it through. If he had, he would have realized that given the US Constitution it is never likely to succeed, and that the REAL reason Maharishi wanted to teach TM to kids was that towards the end of his life he'd begun to realize that he couldn't teach it to anyone else. No one else was buying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Is Not A Religion Religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: They'll say ANYTHING rather than admit what MOST of them know to be the truth, that OF COURSE all of the TM dogma is based on Hindu dogma. They'll lie, they'll deny, they'll come with up excuses, they'll obfuscate, they'll attempt to distract, they'll do ANYTHING rather than violate this First Commandment. My personal fave, (paraphrased): We don't have to tell the kids what the underpinnings are, if people like John Knapp would just keep their mouths shut. Now there's a raving endorsement for the integrity of the teaching. And personally I'm getting a little tired of it. Not me, I still find it endlessly entertaining. Kinda tells you where the person who frequently says I *never* lie. sets the bar on her personal honesty. Even do.rflex, who had his nose up her butt so long he developed ring around the collar, has acknowledged how completely dishonest this position is regarding the non-religiousity of teaching TM in schools. I've wondered for some time if the vehement argument she makes was based on delusion or dishonesty. It is probably both. In all compassion -- really -- I think that Judy's stance is as old as the con game and as understandable. It's how the con game WORKS, and why it's *always* worked. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONNED DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT, TO THEMSELVES, OR TO ANYONE ELSE. The more self-importance the conned person has, the more vehemently they resist admit- ting that they have been conned. They will become apologists for the con men, will defend them the way that people *who were conned by Je-Ru* defended him, and will go to their graves doing so, because their sense of self-importance is stronger than their sense of integrity and honesty. For such people, it is better to be thought a fool than to admit to having been one. Judy MUST know how ridiculous her stance in all of this makes her look. But she continues that stance nonetheless. I think that my explanation is the only one that fits her behavior. Have you EVER known Judy Stein to admit to having been WRONG, except to a tiny fact or typo? I haven't, either. None of us have. Do you think that a person with that level of self-importance is going to admit to having been WRONG about the very nature of the practice she has been doing every day for 30+ years? Not gonna happen...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Kirk wrote: TM is ultimately a Vaishnava methodology... You are right... Shankara had Shri Vidya and Saiva background... but his Guru was Vaishnava... He worshiped Lord Narasimha and whole lineage was worshiping Vishnu: Parashara (read Brihad Parashara Hora Sastra), Vyasa, Shukadev...
[FairfieldLife] New Study published in International Journal of Psychophysiology
Meditating students had faster habituation to a loud tonethey were less jumpy and irritableDr. Fred Travis Publishes Study with American University on the TM® technique and College Stress A new study published in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Psychophysiology found that students who practice the Transcendental Meditation® technique are more resilient to the acute academic, financial, and social pressures of college life. Effects of Transcendental Meditation practice on brain functioning and stress reactivity in college students is the first random assignment study of the effects of meditation practice on brain and physiological functioning in college students. The study was a collaboration between the American University Department of Psychology in Washington, DC, and the Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management. The 50 subjects were randomly assigned to a group practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique or a control group. Physiological and psychological variables were measured at pretest, before the students were assigned to their groups. The posttest was 10 weeks later just before final exam week. The control data from the study showed the detrimental effects of college life. The non-meditating control group had lower Brain Integration Scale scores, and an increase in sympathetic reactivity and sleepiness, said Dr. Travis, who directs MUM's Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition. In contrast, the meditating students, had higher Brain Integration Scale scores, more alertness, and faster habituation to a loud tone they were less jumpy and irritable. David Haaga Ph.D, professor of psychology at American University and co-author of the study, found the outcome encouraging. Entering a state of restful alertness could be beneficial for the students in terms of their ability to learn material in class and think more clearly, in ways that any other relaxation procedure might not achieve for them, he said. These results suggest that the practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique can be of substantial value for those who face the rigors of an intense and challenging learning/working environment, Dr. Travis said. Watch video with Dr. Travis discussing his research.
[FairfieldLife] The Free Will Chronicles (a treatment for a proposed TV series)
In response to the call in the last line of my earlier rant this morning (below) for TV and movie plots that are NOT based on deus ex machina and being saved by Big Daddy In The Sky, here is my quickie treatment for a pitch meeting about my new TV series. Enjoy. Or not, depending upon whether you believe God, Allah, the Three Gunas, or aliens from the Pleiaides want you to enjoy. :-) THE FREE WILL CHRONICLES This series is set in an America in which religions have won out and run everything. It's still America, so there are still dif- ferent religions -- Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism/TM -- but they mainly get along because they all agree on one fundamental tenet: God (or Allah or the Three Gunas) does everything. Humans don't do shit. They do NOT have free will; they are not the doer of the things they do, merely pawns in a game being played (benev- olently, of course) by a higher power. This higher power KNOWS BETTER than mere humans do, and everything that happens happens as a result of His whim (Their whim, for the Hindus/TMers who believe that the Three Gunas do it all). In this environment of True Believers, enter Will, a skeptic. Will is a bit of a heretic in this Brave New World, and believes that God/Allah/the Three Gunas *DON'T* do every- thing. He believes that 1) shit just happens, and 2) people have a responsibility to deal with that shit on their own, not wait for God/Allah/the Three Gunas to deal with it for them. Needless to say, Will is a bit of a misfit and a loner. The basic plotline of each episode is that Will, walking the Earth like Caine in Kung-Fu, wanders into Dodge City and finds it a mess. All sorts of shit is happening, and all of the people are just sitting around on their duffs waiting for God/Allah/the Three Gunas to clean the shit up for them. Will speaks up and says heretical stuff like, Uh...instead of waiting for God/Allah/the Three Gunas to clean up the shit, why don't you just get off your butts and DO SOMETHING? The peaceful members of the community merely laugh at him. The more fundamentalist members, be they Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Hindu/TM, declare him a heretic and try to lock him up. In other words, they want to make Free Will less free, so that he'll STFU. In every episode, Will manages to *use* his free will and intelligence to somehow avoid being locked up or burned at the stake, and winds up DOING SOMETHING to clean up all the shit. In most episodes, this something is so simple and apparent that pretty much any- one could have done it before, but no one ever thought to, because they were so busy waiting for God/Allah/the Three Gunas to do it for them. And it works. The shit is cleaned up. And the streets are filled with rejoicing inhabitants, each of them thanking God or Allah or the Three Gunas for cleaning up the shit. No one ever notices that Will cleaned up the shit. No one ever thanks him. Will shrugs and, like Caine in Kung-Fu, gets the hell out of Dodge and wanders to the next town, where this scene plays itself out pretty much exactly the same. We will vary the episodes slightly from week to week by changing the nature of the shit that Will has to clean up because no one else will, and by changing the towns and the female actresses hired to play the cute girl in each town who falls for Will and wants to ball his socks off and have his children but is afraid to because she's the daughter of a Priest/Rabbi/ Ayatollah/Pundit/TM Teacher, and is afraid of getting heretic cooties on her. Will never DOES get laid in the series, even though the possibility is always there. Hey, it works for romantic comedies to keep the audiences tuned in...why not for a drama about free will? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: I just watched a bad, pirated, fuzzy CAM copy of this flick, and it only adds to the feelings of dismay I felt when I first read Robert's post. When I first read it, my first thought was, What you focus on, you become, and a sense of sadness that someone who had spent so long on paths of supposed self discovery could focus so intently on The End Of The World, in all its supposed manifestations. Then I saw this movie, and that sadness heightened. This is NOT a good film. But it's going to be a popular one (it is now currently the most popular film in America) because it focuses on what many people WANT to happen, and WANT to become. They want to become pawns in the game of Gods, who KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. They want aliens or God or gods and goddesses or Big Verginas from the Pleiaides to KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENINGS, AND TELL THEM. They want to be special, because they know what is happening, and no one else does. Like the char- acters in this film, they don't even CARE if the world
[FairfieldLife] New study on TM published
[[ Back to EurekAlert! ]] http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12401.php?from=130875 Public release date: 24-Feb-2009 [ Print Article http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/muom-tmb021309.php# | E-mail Article http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/muom-tmb021309.php# | Close Window http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/muom-tmb021309.php# ] Contact: Ken Chawkin kchaw...@mum.edu mailto:kchaw...@mum.edu 641-470-1314 Maharishi University of Management http://www.mum.edu/ Transcendental Meditation buffers students against college stress: Study Research at American University shows meditating students react better to stress, are less fatigued, have more 'integrated' brains http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/muom-imt021909.php [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tr.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12401.php?from=130875 VIDEO: http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12401.php?from=130875 Fred Travis, lead author and director of MUM's Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition, discusses this first random assignment study of the effects of meditation practice on brain and physiological... Click here for more information. http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12401.php?from=130875 [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_bl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_br.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] Transcendental Meditation may be an effective non-medicinal tool for students to buffer themselves against the intense stresses of college life, according to a new study to be published in the February 24 issue of the peer-reviewed International Journal of Psychophysiology http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijpsycho.2008.09.007 . Effects of Transcendental Meditation practice on brain functioning and stress reactivity in college students is the first random assignment study of the effects of meditation practice on brain and physiological functioning in college students. The study was a collaboration between the American University Department of Psychology in Washington, D.C., and the Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa. The study investigated the effects of 10-weeks of Transcendental Meditation (TM) practice on Brain Integration Scale scores (broadband frontal coherence, power ratios, and preparatory brain responses), electrodermal habituation to a stressful stimulus, and sleepiness in 50 students from American University and other Washington, D.C., area universities. [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tr.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12362.php?from=130875 IMAGE: http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12362.php?from=130875 Patricia Spurio meditates while having her EEG measured. Click here for more information. http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/12362.php?from=130875 [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_bl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_br.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] Physiological and psychological variables were measured at pretest; students were then randomly assigned to a TM or control group. Posttest was 10 weeks laterjust before final exam week. At posttest, the meditating students had higher Brain Integration Scale scores, less sleepiness, and faster habituation to a loud tonethey were less jumpy and irritable. The pressures of college can be overwhelming44% of college students binge drink, 37% report use of illegal drugs, 19% report clinical depression, and 13% report high levels of anxiety, said Fred Travis, lead author and director of the MUM brain research center. Travis said the data from the non-meditating control group showed the detrimental effects of college life on the students. The control group had lower Brain
[FairfieldLife] The Most Dangerous Man in the World
The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Merton, oh he died a while ago. The problem we got now is, the non-meditators. The science only gets clearer. Is getting time to do something about, non-meditators. Come join with us against non-meditation. The transcendent is yours in Meditation, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Most Amazing Movie of a No-kill Shelter for 500 Cats
Hope they neuter them! --- On Fri, 3/13/09, susan fabrican sfabri...@mac.com wrote: 4 hours outside of LA! extraordinary! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwM6f0liHpo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I do. I am not against kids having a moment of silence but the indoctrination into the belief system of TM is too much to support for me. Being very clear about where our beliefs come from is critical for our survival. Blurring this line is dangerous because it makes harder to rank the probability of beliefs if religious concepts are blended with more rigorously supported beliefs. I don't follow that. I don't need to know the long (or short ) history of a bad (invalid) concept that has entered my awareness. I can reject it on its merits -- or lack of. And TM, or meditation generally, by itself -- which is the issue, in my view, is a method / technique. It works or it doesn't. I don' need to know about Maxwell's equations to utilize the benefits of flipping the light switch on. It works or it doesn't. I don't nee to know that Newton was heavily into alchemy and occultism to benefit from his laws. To propose that our very survival is at stake if we do not fully know these things has such a huge chasm to jump across -- I can't make that leap. You may say well its not TM that is being proposed to give to students, its rajas and SCI and yagyas. I disagree. There is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words, hot air or otherwise, to do TM. SCI has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the actual practice of meditation. (Other than I suppose to be a cautionary tale -- that is -- if a mind so soaked in meditation comes up with this crap -- the technique clearly has it s limits.)
[FairfieldLife] Apocalyptic Daddy Fantasies (was Re: '2012 and Solar Maximus')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: I just watched a bad, pirated, fuzzy CAM copy of this flick, and it only adds to the feelings of dismay I felt when I first read Robert's post. When I first read it, my first thought was, What you focus on, you become, and a sense of sadness that someone who had spent so long on paths of supposed self discovery could focus so intently on The End Of The World, in all its supposed manifestations. Then I saw this movie, and that sadness heightened. This is NOT a good film. But it's going to be a popular one (it is now currently the most popular film in America) because it focuses on what many people WANT to happen, and WANT to become. They want to become pawns in the game of Gods, who KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. They want aliens or God or gods and goddesses or Big Verginas from the Pleiaides to KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENINGS, AND TELL THEM. They want to be special, because they know what is happening, and no one else does. Like the char- acters in this film, they don't even CARE if the world goes to hell in a firestorm, JUST AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONVINCED THEY KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING, and no one else does. Ego. What monstrous ego. Maybe the planet really DOES deserve to become a cosmic crispy critter, if this is all the creativity its inhabitants can muster up. More importantly if the Sun winds up belching a flare and the Earth is in the way there is no guy in the sky that is going to save living creatures on Earth. But you wouldn't believe how many times I've mentioned in this scenario in the past that people wanted to believe the guy in the sky would save them. And also hated me for mentioning the scenario. :-D Yup. It reminded me of a post that Stu made here a while back in which he complained that a LOT of the plots of movies and TV he was seeing around him involved deus ex machina, the Unseen Force that really runs things and makes everything work out right. At the time, I didn't quite agree. But since then I have watched more of Lost, watched the ending of Battlestar Galactica, watched the beginnings of Kings, and watched this movie, Knowing. ALL of these stories are deus ex machina, and involve the belief in some Big Guy or Big Aliens who are looking out for us, and who know better than we do, and are taking care of us. It's the cinematic counterpart of Nabby's belief in the fictional Maitreya and the aliens who are going to come someday and make everything right. It's an ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITY FANTASY. snip Not my kinda plotline. Why can't we have more plots in which the human race saves ITSELF? Through nothing more mysterious than using its gifts of free will, intelligence, and getting off its collective butt to DO SOMETHING? People, not realizing their own power potential, have given most of it away to various vampires and opportunists who gladly absorb it for their own use, leaving the majority unable to function at anywhere near their possible level.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Study published in International Journal of Psychophysiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Meditating students had faster habituation to a loud tonethey were less jumpy and irritableDr. Fred Travis Publishes Study with American University on the TM® technique and College Stress A new study published in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Psychophysiology found that students who practice the Transcendental Meditation® technique are more resilient to the acute academic, financial, and social pressures of college life. Effects of Transcendental Meditation practice on brain functioning and stress reactivity in college students is the first random assignment study of the effects of meditation practice on brain and physiological functioning in college students. The study was a collaboration between the American University Department of Psychology in Washington, DC, and the Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management. The 50 subjects were randomly assigned to a group practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique or a control group. Physiological and psychological variables were measured at pretest, before the students were assigned to their groups. The posttest was 10 weeks later just before final exam week. The control data from the study showed the detrimental effects of college life. The non-meditating control group had lower Brain Integration Scale scores, and an increase in sympathetic reactivity and sleepiness, said Dr. Travis, who directs MUM's Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition. In contrast, the meditating students, had higher Brain Integration Scale scores, more alertness, and faster habituation to a loud tone they were less jumpy and irritable. David Haaga Ph.D, professor of psychology at American University and co-author of the study, found the outcome encouraging. Entering a state of restful alertness could be beneficial for the students in terms of their ability to learn material in class and think more clearly, in ways that any other relaxation procedure might not achieve for them, he said. These results suggest that the practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique can be of substantial value for those who face the rigors of an intense and challenging learning/working environment, Dr. Travis said. Watch video with Dr. Travis discussing his research. In Fairfield I notice a lot of people with no toleration of loud noises which seems out of the ordinary. N.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Foundation Television
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: I must say however that David Lynch does seem rather naive. Is it possible? I suppose also that Twin Peaks sounds alot like siamese twins playing doctor, so there's that too. I had an email conversation going for a while with a lovely woman who had worked as Lynch's private secretary for many years. While she loved the guy, she often described him as the most naive person I have ever met in my entire life. She said he was *always* being scammed by people, because he just had no internal defenses. He believed everything anyone told him. She also described some of his quirks, which verge on OCD. He ate the same thing every day, *exactly* the same thing, and tended to panic if he couldn't get it. While I applaud his naive intention in trying to make this teach TM in schools thing happen, I really wish he hadn't been enough of a TB to waste his money trying to make it happen in American schools. It's going to fail, and fail big in my opinion, because of the...duh...US Constitution. How does the practice of TM the technique itself, or any meditation method, constitute the creation of a sole state religion?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
but if the prayers they said were in Latin it wouldn't have been religious. Right? guffaw How would you know if it was in Latin? guffaw dude wrote: uva uvam videndo varia fit Willy, you musta learnt that in your altar boy days. chuckle Not me, how would YOU know it was in Latin? Of course I know Latin, and Sanskrit, and Tibetan, and Urdu - I know almost all the common aryan and prakrit languages, and some Far-Eastern languages as well, (I can tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese) and many esoteric phonemes and quasi phonemes. Didn't you know that I've been studying with Mullquist for nearly nine years? So, Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat? Quis nostrud exercitation excepteur sint occaecat sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt. Cupidatat non proident, duis aute irure dolor ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, excepteur sint occaecat duis aute irure dolor. Ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Sunt in culpa ullamco laboris nisi cupidatat non proident. Sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt duis aute irure dolor lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Mollit anim id est laborum. Consectetur adipisicing elit, sunt in culpa ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Cupidatat non proident, eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt in reprehenderit in voluptate ullamco laboris nisi. Duis aute irure dolor cupidatat non proident, consectetur adipisicing elit. Excepteur sint occaecat mollit anim id est laborum. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation sunt in culpa. In reprehenderit in voluptate ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Qui officia deserunt ullamco laboris nisi lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Quis nostrud exercitation. Eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Consectetur adipisicing elit, velit esse cillum dolore sunt in culpa. In reprehenderit in voluptate qui officia deserunt ullamco laboris nisi!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Merton, oh he died a while ago. The problem we got now is, the non-meditators. The science only gets clearer. Is getting time to do something about, non-meditators. Come join with us against non-meditation. The transcendent is yours in Meditation, -Doug in FF People that do their own thinking are dangerous to those who want life to be a predictable level of pablum. Thinkers will remain and, life is not going to be pablumatic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: You [Curtis] may say well its not TM that is being proposed to give to students, its rajas and SCI and yagyas. I disagree. But the dogma explaining what really happens when they transcend, and what that means, will most definitely be given. And that is Hindu dogma, with a search on gods and goddesses to replace them with laws of nature. TM *itself* is based on Hindu teach- ings, from the puja onwards. And I, for one, cannot see any court in the land not seeing that and deciding on the basis of that. There is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words, hot air or otherwise, to do TM. SCI has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the actual practice of meditation. (Other than I suppose to be a cautionary tale -- that is -- if a mind so soaked in meditation comes up with this crap -- the technique clearly has it s limits.) I have to ask, since if it's been mentioned before I missed it -- are you a TM teacher? If not, I can see how you might believe that there is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words. But this program will not be *implemented* by people who think like you do. It will be implemented by FANATICS. By definition, TM cannot be taught these days except by recertified TM teachers. That means that these people were SO fanatical that they agreed to pay for TM Teacher Training TWICE (once to become teachers originally, and then again later, when Maharishi said to). They had to sign pieces of paper agreeing to give up their jobs and work for the TM movement full time as teachers, for a pittance. Such people are fanatics, evangelists. I do not see how there is an icicle's chance in Hell that they WON'T be spewing lots of words. That's just what evangelists DO. JUST as they could never even *conceive* of teaching TM without a puja, they could never even *conceive* of not spouting a lot of words about the laws of nature and enlivening them, and doing non-stop commercials for butt- bouncing for peace. The situation you propose for teaching TM as purely a technique and leaving it at that DOES NOT EXIST. The people who will be teach- ing these kids are incapable of allowing it to exist. To do so would violate the *need* they feel to evangelize. These people who say that they're going to teach TM and only TM are LYING. And you saw evidence of that in one of the posts today, saying that the Rajas are going to attend the McCartney concert dressed not as Rajas, but as normal people. If they're so proud of what they do and what they are and what being a king allows them to wear, WHY ARE THEY HIDING IT? They're LYING. They want these kids as fodder for the next generation of TM cultists, and they hope to find it in thousands of young, impressionable kids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Is Not A Religion Religion
It's almost pure pandering and trolling, as far as I can tell. The lying these two get away with is just outrageous - they should be caled on it, but the others here, except for Judy, are too scared to speak up, I guess. Sal and Turq, the town liars. satvadude108 wrote: Boy, you sure are on a roll. Yeah on a troll, not a 'roll', so why not just shut your pie hole if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation? The long term effects of sillycybin abuse is often not a pretty sight Willy. Clean it up dude. Get a checking, have a chicken sandwich, get laid, GFY, and there might be hope. Yeah, you've been in and out of religious cults for most of your adult life, but I'm the 'sillycybin' abuser. Good one! As far as I can tell, most of the FFL informants are self-condemned. They were all Marshy's enablers, else they're just trolling here. One thing is fer sure, someone is lying about the TMO and TM practice and I think I know who they are. From: John Manning Subject: Where is Judy when TMers need her? Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2001-11-15 15:59:58 PST I understand that there is a woman named Judy that defends the insanity of MMY and the TM org. I understand that she is very effective in her words to support the spiritually corrupt and crumbling empire of MMY and the TM org. I would love to see her defense of MMY's begging for one billion dollars of other peoples' money to create 'world peace'. I would really like to know how she justifies the *increase* in crime in Fairfield, Iowa after MMY gave the specific numbers otherwise for the Maharishi Effect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Foundation Television
How does the practice of TM the technique itself, or any meditation method, constitute the creation of a sole state religion? I hesitate to invoke the infamous Jello Biafra here or his mostly profound words, here takens from California Uber Alles: I am Governor Jerry Brown My aura smiles And never frowns Soon I will be president Carter power will soon go away I will be Fuhrer one day I will command all of you Your kids will meditate in school California Uber Alles Uber Alles California Zen fascists will control you 100% natural You will jog for the master race And always wear the happy face Close your eyes, can't happen here Big Bro' on white horse is near The hippies won't come back you say Mellow out or you will pay California Uber Alles Uber Alles California Now it is 1984 Knock knock at your front door It's the suede/denim secret police They have come for your uncool neice Come quitely to the camp You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp Don't you worry, it's only a shower For your clothes here's a pretty flower Die on organic poison gas Serpent's egg's already hatched You will crack, you little clown When you mess with President Brown California Uber Alles Uber Alles California
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Was Merton talking about Obama? He had dreams of his father. He trusted his vision of rising from humble beginnings to greatness. He obeyed the attraction of his inner voice to be president and didn't listen to anyone telling him he needed more experience. He identified with his birthright of greatness so strongly, the shear force of his confidence in his vision, communicated by the media, gave people suffering from white guilt the impression that he really is the Messiah. ...such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Merton, oh he died a while ago. The problem we got now is, the non-meditators. Ya got trouble Oh, we got trouble Right here in River City Right here in River City With a capital 'T' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'pool' The science only gets clearer. Is getting time to do something about, non-meditators. Come join with us against non-meditation. The transcendent is yours in Meditation, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Howard Stern to appear in 4'th April concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: TM didn't help his marriage any. Marriage is for weak souls lacking self-suffiency. Independent souls stay away from such foolishness. You mean weak people like Shiva and his wife Parvati? I don't compare life on earth with the life of Gods. I leave that to fools. You must be superior to the Gods, Mr Nablusoss - and all of the saints who were married. What utter nonsense. If you're a Saint you may do whatever is practical, for example join with a companion. You are free anyway. For everyone else marriage is for those not self-suffiscient and who needs a crunch. Many of whom are not even able to be alone for several hours in a row.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
I suggest for a fictitious narrative of this sort of thing this little novel: http://www.amazon.com/Beasts-Valhalla-George-C-Chesbro/dp/0967450330 - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: You [Curtis] may say well its not TM that is being proposed to give to students, its rajas and SCI and yagyas. I disagree. But the dogma explaining what really happens when they transcend, and what that means, will most definitely be given. And that is Hindu dogma, with a search on gods and goddesses to replace them with laws of nature. TM *itself* is based on Hindu teach- ings, from the puja onwards. And I, for one, cannot see any court in the land not seeing that and deciding on the basis of that. There is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words, hot air or otherwise, to do TM. SCI has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the actual practice of meditation. (Other than I suppose to be a cautionary tale -- that is -- if a mind so soaked in meditation comes up with this crap -- the technique clearly has it s limits.) I have to ask, since if it's been mentioned before I missed it -- are you a TM teacher? If not, I can see how you might believe that there is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words. But this program will not be *implemented* by people who think like you do. It will be implemented by FANATICS. By definition, TM cannot be taught these days except by recertified TM teachers. That means that these people were SO fanatical that they agreed to pay for TM Teacher Training TWICE (once to become teachers originally, and then again later, when Maharishi said to). They had to sign pieces of paper agreeing to give up their jobs and work for the TM movement full time as teachers, for a pittance. Such people are fanatics, evangelists. I do not see how there is an icicle's chance in Hell that they WON'T be spewing lots of words. That's just what evangelists DO. JUST as they could never even *conceive* of teaching TM without a puja, they could never even *conceive* of not spouting a lot of words about the laws of nature and enlivening them, and doing non-stop commercials for butt- bouncing for peace. The situation you propose for teaching TM as purely a technique and leaving it at that DOES NOT EXIST. The people who will be teach- ing these kids are incapable of allowing it to exist. To do so would violate the *need* they feel to evangelize. These people who say that they're going to teach TM and only TM are LYING. And you saw evidence of that in one of the posts today, saying that the Rajas are going to attend the McCartney concert dressed not as Rajas, but as normal people. If they're so proud of what they do and what they are and what being a king allows them to wear, WHY ARE THEY HIDING IT? They're LYING. They want these kids as fodder for the next generation of TM cultists, and they hope to find it in thousands of young, impressionable kids. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:02 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Was Merton talking about Obama? Since Obama is not a contemplative, I doubt it. Your post seems more about a pattern of obsessive thinking on your part. If you're still having such a hard time letting go of the fact that Hillary lost the election, way back when, you might want to talk someone about that...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses. I agree. But just try to be an independent thinker when the sheep are stampeding. You risk getting trampled. The sheep can be just and dangerous as the leader of sheep. http://tinyurl.com/dyypy5
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:02 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Was Merton talking about Obama? Since Obama is not a contemplative, I doubt it. Your post seems more about a pattern of obsessive thinking on your part. If you're still having such a hard time letting go of the fact that Hillary lost the election, way back when, you might want to talk someone about that... This has nothing to do with Hillary. It's just fair warning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Zoran Krneta wrote: Shankara had Shri Vidya and Saiva background... but his Guru was Vaishnava... He worshiped Lord Narasimha and whole lineage was worshiping Vishnu: Parashara (read Brihad Parashara Hora Sastra), Vyasa, Shukadev... You are incorrect, Sir - everyone knows that the Adi Shankara was a Shakta Tantrist who worshipped the Sri Vidya, that is, the goddess Tripurasundari, Lalita, etc. at Sringeri. Why do you think they called their headquarters 'Sri' and took the surname 'Saraswati'? It is a fact that all the Shankaracharyas agree that the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir. It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. The Sri Vidya, Mr. Zoran, is a Shakta deity and the diety sits on the seat of the matha at four places: Puri, Dwarka, Kanchi, and Sringeri. Our Guru, Swami Brahmanad Saraswati used to worship the Sri Vidya in the form of a Yantra. Do you know what a Yantra is, Mr. Zoran? Read more: Sri Vidya: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Howard Stern to appear in 4'th April concert
For everyone else marriage is for those not self-suffiscient and who needs a crunch. Many of whom are not even able to be alone for several hours in a row. -Yeah and that certainly describes TM meditators. As for crunches, sex has that sort of side effect on the body. It is exercise and yes, one is more prone to that when married. :) Thanks for participating, now you are free to go be alone in your cave or hovel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:02 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Was Merton talking about Obama? Since Obama is not a contemplative, I doubt it. Your post seems more about a pattern of obsessive thinking on your part. If you're still having such a hard time letting go of the fact that Hillary lost the election, way back when, you might want to talk someone about that... Barack Obama was always going to disappoint. When you promise almost everything to almost everybodyI'll stop the fighting in Iraq but I'll also keep going after al Qaeda there; I'll make the economy grow more but I'll spread the wealth around, and so onyou will inevitably let many people down. Human beings, even those who read fluently from teleprompters, simply cannot walk on water. http://tinyurl.com/ddfv77
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
For all of President Obama's promises of reform, a close look at just three of the more than 9,000 earmarks packed into the $410 billion spending bill that he signed last week shows just how hard it will be to clamp down on lawmakers' pet projects. Read more: 'Old Problems Resurface in New Earmark Rules' By David M. Herszenhorn and Ron Nixon New York Times, March 18, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/cdg674 raunchydog wrote: Barack Obama was always going to disappoint... http://tinyurl.com/ddfv77
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
Maybe they could get Bobby to perform an exorcism, since he seem to have some experience in this, then they could get Palin to get everyone divinely laughing. OffWorld wrote: Palin is already involved in vodoo and on tape. You sound really, really, really scared. The witch hunt has already started, I guess, and Palin's not even running for anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Since Obama is not a contemplative, I doubt it. Obama contemplated his vision of rising from humble beginnings to greatness, and the presidency with such conviction, you believed him to be the Messiah. Sounds like Merton to me. ...such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a NATION.
[FairfieldLife] Apocalyptic Daddy Fantasies (was Re: '2012 and Solar Maximus')
Nelson wrote: People, not realizing their own power potential, have given most of it away to various vampires and opportunists who gladly absorb it for their own use, leaving the majority unable to function at anywhere near their possible level. Nelson, As much as I agree with your statement, I have to ask, what would the world be like if everyone did NOT give away their power? I have imagined up many a Utopian schema, and, frankly, none of them envisioned a population that had this skill of being content to know what one knows and to take the opinions of others as 'remains to be proven.' Everyone, today, is looking to amplify their powers by giving it to some leader who then acts with a ton of power -- and thus the masses feel like they've somehow be in on the action. Our culture is saturated to the bone with mechanisms that process the decisions of folks who give away their power. Politics, medicine, religions, etc. can only exist if the group has decided that leaders are especially in-the-know, and the followers are willing to stop thinking about reality and, instead, let the leaders tell them what the truth is. What would a culture be able to accomplish if leaders were not given such power? Therefore, I would augment your statement to be: People, not realizing their own power potential, have UNMINDFULLY given most of it away to various vampires and opportunists who gladly absorb it for their own use, leaving the majority unable to function at anywhere near their possible level. If we taught Conservation of Energy, Identification and Power 101 in elementary schools, it would make all the Dick Cheneys of the world stand out like nudists at a Baptist pot luck. We do not educate our kids about the world's used-car-salesmen and how they are utterly practiced in their various ruses while we are inexperienced rubes who walk onto a lot and kick a tire and think we've analyzed a used car enough. The rubes who start TM are those folks who haven't learned to keep their minds from leaping to conclusions based on faith in someone who is asserting knowledge that the rube has no background to judge the merits of. So, how does the world operate without the giving away of one's power? Heaven? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: You [Curtis] may say well its not TM that is being proposed to give to students, its rajas and SCI and yagyas. I disagree. But the dogma explaining what really happens when they transcend, and what that means, will most definitely be given. Your statement points out the fundamental difference of TOPIC between us. We are each talking about a different thing. You are predicting what the DLF will do. I don't give a rats ass about what the DLF will do. If they teach an ontology based on notions about the universe they should not be allowed in schools. And If they try to teach SCI -- they should be laughed out of Dodge. SCI is quite the mumbo jumbo of foggy minds. The fact that SCI is associated with TM does indeed speak badly for TM as a method to produce a clear mind. Yet, I find it enlivens my mind so thats what I am going on here. My experience -- devoid of any mumbo jumbo speculative philosophy. What I am focussed on is on the abstract merits of TM or other meditation (OOM) in schools. I am saying TM OMM doens't need a bunch of mumbo jumbo to work and be effective. And if taught JUST as TM OOM it is secular, it does not conflict with the Constitution (even if TM was a church. The court rulings allow federal funding to religions organizations when the funds are used for secular activities) -- and the practice will help students and the overall atmosphere of schools. It will enhance learning. For that, i support it being taught to students. On an elective basis. So if the TM folks and DLF are so anal about their personal world view that they can't teach the technique without adding crap simplistic irrational notions (can't even call it a philosophy, its way inferior to philosophy) then they are morons. And schools should have nothing to do with them That however, doesn't detract from the merits of TM OOM being practiced by students as a foundational method to clear their minds and juice up the interconnectivity functions of the brain. Provind a pure meditation method is what I am discussing and proposing. And that is Hindu dogma, with a search on gods and goddesses to replace them with laws of nature. TM *itself* is based on Hindu teach- ings, from the puja onwards. And I, for one, cannot see any court in the land not seeing that and deciding on the basis of that. There is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words, hot air or otherwise, to do TM. SCI has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the actual practice of meditation. (Other than I suppose to be a cautionary tale -- that is -- if a mind so soaked in meditation comes up with this crap -- the technique clearly has it s limits.) I have to ask, since if it's been mentioned before I missed it -- are you a TM teacher? If not, I can see how you might believe that there is no requirement or necessity to spew a lot of words. But this program will not be *implemented* by people who think like you do. Ya never know. It will be implemented by FANATICS. By definition, anythin gtaught by fanatics should not be allowed in public schools. We can agree on that. That is NOT what I am referring to. By definition, TM cannot be taught these days except by recertified TM teachers. That means that these people were SO fanatical that they agreed to pay for TM Teacher Training TWICE (once to become teachers originally, and then again later, when Maharishi said to). They had to sign pieces of paper agreeing to give up their jobs and work for the TM movement full time as teachers, for a pittance. Such people are fanatics, evangelists. I do not see how there is an icicle's chance in Hell that they WON'T be spewing lots of words. That's just what evangelists DO. JUST as they could never even *conceive* of teaching TM without a puja, they could never even *conceive* of not spouting a lot of words about the laws of nature and enlivening them, and doing non-stop commercials for butt- bouncing for peace. I don't have big problems with teaching traditional techniques in the traditional way. It has a role in promoting multi-culturalism imo -- if its presented in that light. The situation you propose for teaching TM as purely a technique and leaving it at that DOES NOT EXIST. If true, then thats sad. But I am not wed to TM. I am sure there are other method can can be isolated from someones speculative notions. If this is the case with TM, Someone with sense should throw out the money changers from the temple -- that is throw out the charlatans of mumbo jumbo and reform the practice to THE practice. Water the root. Don't try to dictate how the tree will grow. The people who will be teach- ing these kids are incapable of allowing it to exist. To do so would violate the *need* they feel
[FairfieldLife] Cerebellum and mantra-meditation?
What the fvck is the role of cerebellum in meditation?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebellum However, modern research shows that the cerebellum has a broader role in a number of key cognitive functions, including attention and the processing of language, music, and other sensory temporal stimuli.[2]
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Taking a look at poverty in America
From: lm...@cornell.edu To: wle...@aol.com, mcjun...@msn.com, leejew...@aol.com Sent: 3/27/2009 12:22:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: Taking a look at poverty in America Didn't know Cincinnati had gotten this bad! City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati , OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland , OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis , MO (6th)since 1949; El Paso , TX (7th) has never ;had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee , WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia , PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark , NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats---yet they are still ... POOR You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. Abraham Lincoln = **Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Howard Stern to appear in 4'th April concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: TM didn't help his marriage any. Marriage is for weak souls lacking self-suffiency. Independent souls stay away from such foolishness. You mean weak people like Shiva and his wife Parvati? I don't compare life on earth with the life of Gods. I leave that to fools. You must be superior to the Gods, Mr Nablusoss - and all of the saints who were married. What utter nonsense. If you're a Saint you may do whatever is practical, for example join with a companion. You are free anyway. For everyone else marriage is for those not self-suffiscient and who needs a crunch. Many of whom are not even able to be alone for several hours in a row. How fortunate for you to be to exalted above fools who married. It must be quite grand, eh? I wonder though, do you have any love in your heart... or your life? Or is that also for fools? Do you even have any genuine friends?
[FairfieldLife] Lewis Black
These guys believe that a 350 billion dollar tax cut will stimulate the economy, and they are full of shit. Because they don't know what stimulates the economy. The economy goes up, it goes down, it goes up, it goes down, it goes up, it goes down, nobody knows why the fuck it happens. And I know this because I took economics, and I'd explain it to you but I flunked that course. Not my fault. They taught it at 8 o'clock in the morning. And there is absolute nothing that you can learn out of one bloodshot eye. After I failed a couple of tests, I grabbed my teacher by the throat and said 'Are you trying to keep this shit a secret?' Lewis Black http://tinyurl.com/detcnj
[FairfieldLife] Mathmagical Formulas
The Confluence sums up The Big Takeover by Matt Taibbi. The mathmagical formulas were based on a truthiness that sounds kinda like life insurance. When you buy life insurance you're betting on how long you will live - if you die sooner rather than later you win the bet...Those odds are called actuarial tables. So what these smooth-talking number crunchers did was they cooked up a system and sold it as a sure fire way to beat the odds...The difference is we were gambling with our own money. But AIG wasn't investing in collateralized debt obligations, they were insuring them...So basically AIG bet money it didn't have and lost, and all the bailout money we gave it (and any more that we give it) will go to pay off the bookies. All the controversy over bonuses was misplaced - we're talking BILLIONS of dollars in bad bets, while the bonus issue only concerns MILLIONS of our (not-yet) hard-earned tax dollars. http://tinyurl.com/d2yo5y
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cerebellum and mantra-meditation?
On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:30 AM, cardemaister wrote: What the fvck is the role of cerebellum in meditation?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebellum However, modern research shows that the cerebellum has a broader role in a number of key cognitive functions, including attention and the processing of language, music, and other sensory temporal stimuli.[2] The Cerebellar Connection Recent studies indicate that the cerebellum enters into some quasi- cognitive activities24 (see figure 2). Deep inside it, the large dentate nucleus plays a crucial motoric role. It relays its covert messages first across to the opposite ventral nuclei of the thalamus. From here their signals ascend to inform the motor and premotor cortex. At first it might seem that this information had only been cast in “negative” terms because these dentate projections do inhibit the thalamic cells next down the line. But, down in the cerebellum, many norepinephrine receptors of the beta type swarm over the dentate cells themselves. So, when NE acts on these beta-receptors, dentate nerve cells will be inhibited. Now they fire more slowly than before. The steps in this sequence imply that a localized increase in NE could then translate, through a process of disinhibition, into a release of higher thalamocortical motor functions from their previous cerebellar constraints. Again, the caveat: let NE cause too much activation in general, and it could go on to disorganize more specialized aspects of performance. Learning and memory involve more than adding something new. They can also mean subtraction. We have been using this term to suggest the process that helps clear the decks so the new function can supersede the old one (see chapter 74). High up in the cerebellar cortex are the big nerve cells called Purkinje cells. They participate in the process of learning new motor skills. During learning, the glutamate receptors which cover these Purkinje cells undergo a curious change.25 On previous occasions, when glutamate had been released onto its receptors, these large cells would have become excited by it. But now, during motor learning, a local depression occurs. Where? At the site of certain of these former glutamate excitations. So that now, as part of motor learning, the big Purkinje cells become less excitable than before, even during the first training session. This local “learning” depression can last for as long as ten minutes. Later phases can persist for several hours. This process of long-term depression operates not only in the cerebellum. It also occurs in the hippocampus where, in conjunction with longterm potentiation, the brain can employ it to shape learning and memory along novel, adaptive line. From Zen and the Brain by James Austin, MD Being and Beyond: To the Stage of Ongoing Enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in its flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision. Is this group completely irony-impaired? Thomas Merton was a Christian, a Trappist monk, to be exact. In this quote he is (IMO) talking about CHRIST. Covered with scars is an *accurate* vision of the world in the wake of Christ's teachings. And Merton was self-honest enough to understand this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
Zoran Krneta wrote:
Hindu word for religion is Dharma.
Apparently the 'Hindus' adapted this word 'Dharma' from
Buddhist usage. According to the Theravada sect, the
word means a momentary 'instance' or 'thought-instant',
an epiphenomena; a temporary mental event or causative
principle.
('Hindu' is a word that came much later to describe a
religious cult that lived on the other side of the river.
So, really the word 'Hindu' is another case of misnomer,
a word invented by the Sufi usurpers.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in its flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision. Is this group completely irony-impaired? Thomas Merton was a Christian, a Trappist monk, to be exact. In this quote he is (IMO) talking about CHRIST. Covered with scars is an *accurate* vision of the world in the wake of Christ's teachings. And Merton was self-honest enough to understand this. Well, I plead guilty to being impaired -- in so many ways. Good point about Christ. I did not read it as Christ being the body of the world and that the scars of christ is something we should laud and chase after. And he said visonarieS plural -- so I assume he was talking about a number of people not one person. But if your interpretations is right, then its doubly ironic. Here is a champion of a cult that says you must rely on faith first, not reason. Faith-driven people are not independent thinkers. Such people have been at the core of wars and strife forever. So intended or not, he appears to be celebrating the massive scars on the earth that have been created and deepened by faith in the scars of christ as something redeeming value and as superior to reason. It is people of reason who think for themselves and don't have blind faith in hocus-pocus of cosmic proportions who have a shot at healing the earth of the massive scars that the followers of scar-ridden christ have wrought upon us.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:27 AM, grate.swan wrote: Well, I plead guilty to being impaired -- in so many ways. Good point about Christ. I did not read it as Christ being the body of the world and that the scars of christ is something we should laud and chase after. And he said visonarieS plural -- so I assume he was talking about a number of people not one person. The quote is about contemplatives/meditators who take their visions, themselves or their believed enlightenment too seriously--to the point where they stop listening to their peers, they are not guided by more experienced contemplatives or they ignore their advice, to the peril of those around them. They like to talk to others about their own experiences as paramount. It's about the dangers of spiritual narcissism and taking ones internal life way too seriously. When combined with charisma such people can potentially become quite dangerous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in its flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision. Is this group completely irony-impaired? Thomas Merton was a Christian, a Trappist monk, to be exact. In this quote he is (IMO) talking about CHRIST. Covered with scars is an *accurate* vision of the world in the wake of Christ's teachings. And Merton was self-honest enough to understand this. Well, I plead guilty to being impaired -- in so many ways. Well, I plead guilty to assuming. :-) I did put IMO in my interpretation, but it looks as if I was wrong. A Google search reveals a Google look inside this book link that puts this quote into context: http://books.google.es/books?id=MQ_Iej5soXkCpg=PA195lpg=PA195dq=%22wreck+a+whole+city+or+a+religious+order+or+even+a+nation%22+Mertonsource=blots=VZeIi3KyFasig=Ftlz7Oe7gpJGJWZmvU6fFBm78wUhl=enei=oevMSbueJZuLsAbBze2iCAsa=Xoi=book_resultresnum=3ct=result#PPA195,M1 In context, it seems to be about the con- templative man, and he seems to be discussing both the good and bad aspects of the contem- plative life. Good point about Christ. I did not read it as Christ being the body of the world and that the scars of christ is something we should laud and chase after. I didn't, either. I took the quote at first to be a funny take on Christ, and that *he*, meeting the original description in the quote, wrecked a religious order (Judaism) and left the world scarred by the people who followed after him in his name. I thought at first he was being funny (as he often was in his writing) and recognizing the bad things that the Church had done in the name of Christ. But in context he seems to have just been dis- cussing the contemplative life, both positive and negative. And he said visonarieS plural -- so I assume he was talking about a number of people not one person. In context, he was. I was giving him credit for being funnier than he seems to have intended to be, at least in this context. Now if you want a FUNNY Christian philosopher, read G.K. Chesteron.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in its flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision. Is this group completely irony-impaired? Thomas Merton was a Christian, a Trappist monk, to be exact. In this quote he is (IMO) talking about CHRIST. Covered with scars is an *accurate* vision of the world in the wake of Christ's teachings. And Merton was self-honest enough to understand this. IMO Merton is not talking about Christ but warning contemplative Trappist monks of false Christs capable of wrecking their religious order. Heresy was a big deal back then, burned at the stake, doncha know. Maybe a renegade monk or two went off the deep end, quit their practice and became zealots against their former benefactors. So a few true believers start following the visionary monk, and waddya get? Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in its flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision. Is this group completely irony-impaired? Thomas Merton was a Christian, a Trappist monk, to be exact. In this quote he is (IMO) talking about CHRIST. Covered with scars is an *accurate* vision of the world in the wake of Christ's teachings. And Merton was self-honest enough to understand this. IMO Merton is not talking about Christ but warning contemplative Trappist monks of false Christs capable of wrecking their religious order. Heresy was a big deal back then, burned at the stake, doncha know. Maybe a renegade monk or two went off the deep end, quit their practice and became zealots against their former benefactors. So a few true believers start following the visionary monk, and waddya get? Barry. So its a good thing then, yes?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Howard Stern to appear in 4'th April concert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: What utter nonsense. If you're a Saint you may do whatever is practical, for example join with a companion. You are free anyway. For everyone else marriage is for those not self-suffiscient and who needs a crunch. Many of whom are not even able to be alone for several hours in a row. Springtime in Paris! Along the Rue De Richelieu the early morning mist is giving way to the warmth of the sun,and the eyes of the couples walking hand in hand sparkle with the delight of being alive, being in love and being together in Paris. One couple breaks off from the sidewalk to find a bench to enjoy a moment falling into each others laughter and the soul kisses that remind them of the time they spent together this morning before getting out of bed. Instinctively they avoid the bench with the old man whose matted gray hair smells of sesame oil, muttering to himself. Did he just say Maitreya? she asked before falling into giggles and her lover's arms. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: TM didn't help his marriage any. Marriage is for weak souls lacking self-suffiency. Independent souls stay away from such foolishness. You mean weak people like Shiva and his wife Parvati? I don't compare life on earth with the life of Gods. I leave that to fools. You must be superior to the Gods, Mr Nablusoss - and all of the saints who were married. What utter nonsense. If you're a Saint you may do whatever is practical, for example join with a companion. You are free anyway. For everyone else marriage is for those not self-suffiscient and who needs a crunch. Many of whom are not even able to be alone for several hours in a row.
[FairfieldLife] Howard Stern Meets The Rajas
If the Rajas are going to be at the concert -- then this could be quite the blow-out -- and ultimately a good thing. I don't follow Howard much -- but I have hard him talk about TM and he likes it for its benefits. And he interviewed Maharishi twice -- and clearly liked the guy. And I would guess he thinks kids in school could benefit. But it would be hard to believe that he is buying into raja or world view thing. I would guess he signed up to do this gig because David or Paul called him up and said lets do it for the kids. At the after concert parties (apparently a big thing for this event) he could very well get so turned off by the organization if the rajas are there (pundits too?) I can imagine him ranting big time how TM is a good thing -- especially for kids -- but the organization behind it total sucks -- and then a few Tony fart jokes -- and he will begin to champion secular TM as as stand alone thing and FU TMO. Might even do his own benefit. And Sheryl Crowe doesn't strike me as a push over. Nor wanting a Tom Cruise moment -- being tied to a cult of kings and all. She might have some counter TMO post concert interviews the technique i sgreat BUT ... I figured David was cool enough to make this a secular event -- about the kids -- not a TMO raja bash. If its the latter -- it may blow the fluff of the TMO off the map. And secular meditation will find its place rising from the ashes. (perhaps Mahrishi's plan all along, ha!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an inner voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with his own heart...And if the shear force of his own self-confidence communicates itself to other people and gives them the impression that he really is a saint, such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in it's flesh by visionaries like these. -Thomas Merton Wow. Makes me think less of Merton. If one does not first use and trust their own rationality -- over the conclusions, or pearly words or rants or others, then that person is like a sheep. The world is not scarred by independent thinkers -- it flourishes and progresses Methinks you missed the point of the quote... Perhaps. I first thought he was lauding independent thinking. I read it 4 times more. I don't think he is such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a nation. The world is covered with scars that have been left in its flesh by visionaries covered with scars does not sound like a positive vision. Is this group completely irony-impaired? Thomas Merton was a Christian, a Trappist monk, to be exact. In this quote he is (IMO) talking about CHRIST. Covered with scars is an *accurate* vision of the world in the wake of Christ's teachings. And Merton was self-honest enough to understand this. IMO Merton is not talking about Christ but warning contemplative Trappist monks of false Christs capable of wrecking their religious order. Heresy was a big deal back then, burned at the stake, doncha know. Maybe a renegade monk or two went off the deep end, quit their practice and became zealots against their former benefactors. So a few true believers start following the visionary monk, and waddya get? Barry. So its a good thing then, yes? It's definitely good for Barry and other true believers. It keeps their Enie Meanie endorphins juiced up whenever they get a chance to squish meditators like bugs. Bug squishing is either orgasmic for them or their flesh crawls if anyone says, TM is a good thing, I don't know which. Or maybe they get DT's hallucinating that meditators are taking over the world and only they can us save with truthiness. Soldier on TB's.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: IMO Merton is not talking about Christ but warning contemplative Trappist monks of false Christs capable of wrecking their religious order. Heresy was a big deal back then, burned at the stake, doncha know. Maybe a renegade monk or two went off the deep end, quit their practice and became zealots against their former benefactors. So a few true believers start following the visionary monk, and waddya get? Barry. So its a good thing then, yes? It's definitely good for Barry and other true believers. It keeps their Enie Meanie endorphins juiced up whenever they get a chance to squish meditators like bugs. Bug squishing is either orgasmic for them or their flesh crawls if anyone says, TM is a good thing, I don't know which. Or maybe they get DT's hallucinating that meditators are taking over the world and only they can us save with truthiness. Soldier on TB's. I can always tell when I've said something that made Raunchydog think. She starts talking and thinking like that Fire bad! character on Saturday Night Live. Ugh. He say something that make me think! Ugh! Thinking bad! Making me think bad! Barry say something that make me think. Barry bad!!! The fascinating thing is that I haven't been speaking TO Raunchydog or TO *any* of the TMers on this forum. I've just been writing ideas, as they come to me. I also haven't been pushing those ideas, or trying to sell them. I have tried to convince NO ONE that my ideas are correct. All I've been doing is posting ideas. And yet Raunchydog is seemingly so THREATENED by one or more of those ideas that she's gone into Barry's trying to squish me like a bug DEATH THREAT mode, and freaked out. Hint, Raunch. That sensation you're feeling that you're interpreting as having been attacked or being squished like a bug? That's called THINKING. I *understand* that it's a new and uncomfortable experience for you, but if you give it a try you might just come to like it. Many have.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: but if the prayers they said were in Latin it wouldn't have been religious. Right? guffaw How would you know if it was in Latin? guffaw dude wrote: uva uvam videndo varia fit Willy, you musta learnt that in your altar boy days. chuckle Not me, how would YOU know it was in Latin? Of course I know Latin, and Sanskrit, and Tibetan, and Urdu - I know almost all the common aryan and prakrit languages, and some Far-Eastern languages as well, (I can tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese) and many esoteric phonemes and quasi phonemes. Didn't you know that I've been studying with Mullquist for nearly nine years? ROTFLMAO!!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools
On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, grate.swan wrote: Provind a pure meditation method is what I am discussing and proposing. No you're not. You're being an apologist for a religious form of meditation, plain and simple. There's nothing pure about it, unless of course you meant purely Hindu. If you want a non-sectarian form of meditation and attentional skills for children, you need look no further than the InnerKids Foundation. No mumbo jumbo Hindu initiation rituals. no repeating bija-aksharas of Hindu devatas. No faux-physics, pilot research, exaggeration or bias. Just awareness being aware of itself. Mindfulness is universal, the science is good and sound and the infrastructure is already in place.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Howard Stern Meets The Rajas
This David Lynch thing is being run entirely by and through the auspices of the official TMO as it now stands and is not in any way anything other. Rest assured, as I do, since I once asked them what I could do to help them and they told me to get in touch with the TMO, to which I answered that I had hoped they were somehow other than them. To which they replied that they weren't. This is the rajas and you can be sure one billionaire or another has some pull enough to pull this off. Then if it succeeds at all it will succeed again and yet again. It has to do with exponential growth rates. Maharishi modelled his TMO on the Vat. He saw how it had grown over two thousand years into the most powerful institution on earth. Self ruled as its own country. And them without any specific technique. He believed that he had techniques and thus would be able to make converts way faster. Ultimately leading to his heaven on earth walking. He really needed to do nothing but make traditional Vedaism more omnipresent throughout the world. Starting with a sound meditation technique. At this point there is a good morphagenic field surrounding the technique. To extend the morphagenic sense of TM throughout the West was his aim at superradiance or supersaturation of or trying to corner the market. First he had to get people though who would throw themselves under trains or become martyrs to their cause as that sort of holiness impresses those world conquering types, doncha know? In order for the morphagenic field of his TMO to become a threat to other established religions, or that is, to become able to convert others easily it needed first some people who proved that Maharishi ran their reason and understanding - thus their faith. Take their faith and shape their hopes and dreams. I do have no doubt that TMO does in fact represent a group of people who believe themselves at the center of the New World Order. In the future should they survive, and there will be at least a small cadre of surviving TMO legit teachers, then watch them also implant themselves into things as surely as the Jewish and the Catholic and the Freemason, and all the rest. In a world where faith is the basis for much of people's actions, the TMO is not really that strange, considering that they can at least cough up a good restful meditation, at least something, if not in fact much more. Having yajnas done is in Hindu essence like saying that God is supporting or providing or will support or provide better for those people. I figured David was cool enough to make this a secular event -- about the kids -- not a TMO raja bash. If its the latter -- it may blow the fluff of the TMO off the map. And secular meditation will find its place rising from the ashes. (perhaps Mahrishi's plan all along, ha!)
[FairfieldLife] Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
I believe ROTFLMAO is now written as ROTMFFLMMFAO or better yet for TM TBs HOTMFFBTLMMFAOAYN Which is hopping on the mother fucking foam big time laughing my mother fucking ass off and you're not - Original Message - From: cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: but if the prayers they said were in Latin it wouldn't have been religious. Right? guffaw How would you know if it was in Latin? guffaw dude wrote: uva uvam videndo varia fit Willy, you musta learnt that in your altar boy days. chuckle Not me, how would YOU know it was in Latin? Of course I know Latin, and Sanskrit, and Tibetan, and Urdu - I know almost all the common aryan and prakrit languages, and some Far-Eastern languages as well, (I can tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese) and many esoteric phonemes and quasi phonemes. Didn't you know that I've been studying with Mullquist for nearly nine years? ROTFLMAO!!! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Kirk
Kirk, Whatever your daily drugs are -- they're working. You've been posting up an avalanche of solid thinking. Nice. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to go around already that's for real! This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Billy, Again you surprise me. Can't figure ya. I wasn't bashing TM any more than usual -- I was just showing off my creativity and musing about what I sincerely would do if any of the below scenarios actually happened. I think of TM as a mild help for some folks some of the time -- not a bad thing by most standards, eh? As for Girish, I know nothing except that he was comfortable having his portrait as large as and next to Maharishi's -- it said to me: I'm the head honcho here. The buck stops here in my pocket. Don't give me any shit about 'not honoring the Master.' Frankly, my Girish bashing is gratuitous and all I can defend myself with is my intuition's summations: simply put: the guy creeps me out. And, anyone who would willingly put themselves at the top of an organization with the TMO's history has to take the brunt of all the criticisms -- personally -- if you ask me. If all the TMO excesses and sins are known to him -- and it seems reasonable to expect this -- then he is solely a nefarious money grabbing snakeoil salesman. How many more years before Girish takes the title Maharishi, kicks the raja's out of the fold, sends a gang of Indian thugs to re-structure MUM, etc.? Can't be too long as the economy dries up all the cash cows -- Girish will want to reduce his staff, right?...there goes King Tony and the Apostles. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to go around already that's for real! This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Edg: J/C: You don't practice TM even at 2x/day still? I don't need to be a TB to feel the benefits of the rest and clarity I always get from TM. This wasn't your experience, independent of all the Mumbo Jumbo other stuff, I too have discarded over the years? Did you give it up completely over being disillusioned with the TMO or from lack of any tangible benefits? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Since Obama is not a contemplative, I doubt it. Obama contemplated his vision of rising from humble beginnings to greatness, and the presidency with such conviction, you believed him to be the Messiah. Sounds like Merton to me. ...such a man can wreck a whole city or a religious order or even a NATION. Obama is a good and wellmeaning soul and given the track-record of the last american presidents it is understandable that the world, and the americans have high hopes to this fellow. However; questions and answers with Benjamin Creme: Could you comment please: (1) is Obama actually Maitreya ? Or (2) just inspired by Maitreya ? A. (1) No, Mr Obama is absolutely not Maitreya. (2) I doubt that Mr Obama has ever heard of Maitreya. He may well be inspired by the ideas which have emanated from Maitreya over the years. These have been articulated by Share International for many years and are now being repeated by more and more people as the economic crash, predicted by Maitreya long ago, becomes a reality. Maitreya has waited until now to come forward openly because only now has the impending crash come to fruition, thus bringing many people one of them, hopefully, Mr Obama to see the reality of the need to change direction. Q. I am very grateful for the knowledge and wisdom Share International puts at the disposal of the public. I appreciate it very much. I have a question about the new President of the United States of America. He shares almost all the principles Maitreya is teaching. He seems to be not an ordinary person. (1) Is he one of the members of the Spiritual Hierarchy which will accompany Maitreya in his Mission? Or (2) Is he a channel Maitreya uses to fulfil His mission? He is leading the world in a new direction: sharing, co-operation, peace. Please tell me something about him. A. (1) At the moment there are 14 Masters in the world with Maitreya; eventually there will be around 40 Masters in the world. Mr Obama is not one of them. Nor is any man you are likely to know or have heard of. (2) Nor is he a 'channel' used by Maitreya for His mission. Mr Obama is unusual at this time in American politics: the first African American for a start; he seems to have ideals closer to the real needs of the people of America and the world in general; he seems to be ready to listen to the ideas of other nations and to be less involved in creating 'the American Empire', in short, a breath of fresh air in international politics. This is very important because the USA is so influential for good or for ill in the world. The questioner mentions sharing as one of his ideals but I have yet to hear him mention the word. That will be a major test, and the American people's, of his ability to respond to the basic tenet of Maitreya's teaching and advice. Without sharing there will never be justice. Without justice there will never be peace. Sharing is the key to the future for humanity. http://shareintl.org/magazine
[FairfieldLife] Hollywood's latest food fad
(From the London Times): The Primal diet: the silliest diet ever? Hollywood's latest food fad is the most extreme yet. Please, do not try eating raw meat at home, warns our writer Julia Llewellyn Smith John, a 36-year-old from London, is discussing the foods his diet allows. Carrots perhaps? Or quinoa? I'm very keen on a raw hare carcass, he says. Raw mallard is good too. So's raw tongue and raw organ meat. Ideally, it'll have been sitting around for three or four weeks and be really off. Some people like it when it's liquid mush but I prefer it really off, but still so you can stick a fork in it. If the Pineapple, Atkins and Cabbage Soup diets seemed extreme, then consider the fanatics worldwide following the latest allegedly detoxifying trend - the Primal Diet, an eating plan consisting of raw meat, eggs and dairy - preferably past their sell-by dates. The diet, the latest to hit Hollywood, was founded by Aajonus (pronounced oj- enus) Vonderplanitz, a 62-year-old nutritionist from California - and it can be only a matter of time before it's endorsed by a twig-thin starlet. The theory is that raw fats bind to the toxins in the body, which are then more readily transported out of the system. At its most basic level adherents exist on 95 per cent raw meat, including chicken (made more palatable with a marinade of herbs and spices). When they eat out they can rely on culinary classics such as sashimi, steak tartare and beef carpaccio. The remaining 5 per cent is made up with vegetable juices and low-carbohydrate fruits, such as avocados. True aficionados, however, favour high meat (so called because of Vonderplanitz's claims that it inspires a natural high), with a small sideorder of rancid unpasteurised yoghurt and fermented vegetables. It took me a long time to try high meat because I was scared, John says. It does stink like hell and it tastes like an aged raw cheese. The first time I tried it I had to chase it down with a glass of mineral water and I did have a couple of days detoxing, with a bit of diarrhoea. But now my only regret is being squeamish for so long. I used to have all sorts of health problems but now I feel great. I've heard of a couple of people with parasites from it, but I've been doing it for seven years and I haven't died yet. John was right to be scared. Advocating a diet that relies on eating raw meat is simply irresponsible and could be downright dangerous, says Dr Andrew Wadge, the Food Standards Agency's chief scientist. It is a simple fact that raw meat may contain harmful bacteria that can cause serious illness and even death. There are still around 500 deaths a year in the UK from food poisoning. But high primal diet followers say that the risks are worth it. Websites are filled with testimonials claiming that various ailments - including incurable cancers - were cured after a couple of months of rancid raw buffalo. Vonderplanitz shrugs off any criticism, arguing that doctors have never observed the effects of his diet, while he has witnessed it reverse 95 per cent of all diseases, while energy, mental clarity and emotional wellbeing are acquired within 30 days to two years. He does, however, advocate eating rotting meat only if it is organic and free range, ideally grass-fed, and a period of preparing the body by eating fresh raw meat is advised. A spokeswoman for the Centre for Human Nutrition Research in Cambridge says there has been no research into the possible benefits of eating raw or rotten meat, because the health risk would be too great. But when it comes to squeezing into a bikini, it seems that some people will risk anything. Fad diets like this are quick-fix solutions, the spokeswoman says. We think they'll solve all our problems, even though we know in the long term that they are not sustainable and have no real benefit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:53 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Merton, oh he died a while ago. The problem we got now is, the non-meditators. The science only gets clearer. Is getting time to do something about, non-meditators. Hear, hear, Doug. I say, revoke their dome badges. That'll teach em to be non-meditators. Come join with us against non-meditation. The transcendent is yours in Meditation, -Doug in FF Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hollywood's latest food fad
And the Darwin Award Winner is .. Who gives a shit about fad diets anyway. Anyone who knows some ayurveda or metabolic typing wouldn't touch these with a ten foot pole. Why? Because one diet fits all is bullshit. We all have different constitutions and suffer different imbalances. In metabolic typing you learn that you can have the constitution for a sympathetic type but because your sympathetic system (mainly the organs relating to it) is weak it will need to be built up first before you can use that diet. That may be the point that ayurveda often misses. So you are a vata type (sympathetic) but those organs are so trashed that when you go on that diet it doesn't work. Richard M wrote: (From the London Times): The Primal diet: the silliest diet ever? Hollywood's latest food fad is the most extreme yet. Please, do not try eating raw meat at home, warns our writer Julia Llewellyn Smith John, a 36-year-old from London, is discussing the foods his diet allows. Carrots perhaps? Or quinoa? I'm very keen on a raw hare carcass, he says. Raw mallard is good too. So's raw tongue and raw organ meat. Ideally, it'll have been sitting around for three or four weeks and be really off. Some people like it when it's liquid mush but I prefer it really off, but still so you can stick a fork in it. If the Pineapple, Atkins and Cabbage Soup diets seemed extreme, then consider the fanatics worldwide following the latest allegedly detoxifying trend - the Primal Diet, an eating plan consisting of raw meat, eggs and dairy - preferably past their sell-by dates. The diet, the latest to hit Hollywood, was founded by Aajonus (pronounced oj- enus) Vonderplanitz, a 62-year-old nutritionist from California - and it can be only a matter of time before it's endorsed by a twig-thin starlet. The theory is that raw fats bind to the toxins in the body, which are then more readily transported out of the system. At its most basic level adherents exist on 95 per cent raw meat, including chicken (made more palatable with a marinade of herbs and spices). When they eat out they can rely on culinary classics such as sashimi, steak tartare and beef carpaccio. The remaining 5 per cent is made up with vegetable juices and low-carbohydrate fruits, such as avocados. True aficionados, however, favour high meat (so called because of Vonderplanitz's claims that it inspires a natural high), with a small sideorder of rancid unpasteurised yoghurt and fermented vegetables. It took me a long time to try high meat because I was scared, John says. It does stink like hell and it tastes like an aged raw cheese. The first time I tried it I had to chase it down with a glass of mineral water and I did have a couple of days detoxing, with a bit of diarrhoea. But now my only regret is being squeamish for so long. I used to have all sorts of health problems but now I feel great. I've heard of a couple of people with parasites from it, but I've been doing it for seven years and I haven't died yet. John was right to be scared. Advocating a diet that relies on eating raw meat is simply irresponsible and could be downright dangerous, says Dr Andrew Wadge, the Food Standards Agency's chief scientist. It is a simple fact that raw meat may contain harmful bacteria that can cause serious illness and even death. There are still around 500 deaths a year in the UK from food poisoning. But high primal diet followers say that the risks are worth it. Websites are filled with testimonials claiming that various ailments - including incurable cancers - were cured after a couple of months of rancid raw buffalo. Vonderplanitz shrugs off any criticism, arguing that doctors have never observed the effects of his diet, while he has witnessed it reverse 95 per cent of all diseases, while energy, mental clarity and emotional wellbeing are acquired within 30 days to two years. He does, however, advocate eating rotting meat only if it is organic and free range, ideally grass-fed, and a period of preparing the body by eating fresh raw meat is advised. A spokeswoman for the Centre for Human Nutrition Research in Cambridge says there has been no research into the possible benefits of eating raw or rotten meat, because the health risk would be too great. But when it comes to squeezing into a bikini, it seems that some people will risk anything. Fad diets like this are quick-fix solutions, the spokeswoman says. We think they'll solve all our problems, even though we know in the long term that they are not sustainable and have no real benefit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Nothing because I have learned techniques since then that work much better. TM is nothing more than yoga lite. Duveyoung wrote: What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: Edg: J/C: You don't practice TM even at 2x/day still? Edg is on heavy medication but when he forgets to take his medicines he write things like this: 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. Blessed be his soul.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apocalyptic Daddy Fantasies (was Re: '2012 and Solar Maximus')
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: I just watched a bad, pirated, fuzzy CAM copy of this flick, and it only adds to the feelings of dismay I felt when I first read Robert's post. When I first read it, my first thought was, What you focus on, you become, and a sense of sadness that someone who had spent so long on paths of supposed self discovery could focus so intently on The End Of The World, in all its supposed manifestations. Then I saw this movie, and that sadness heightened. This is NOT a good film. But it's going to be a popular one (it is now currently the most popular film in America) because it focuses on what many people WANT to happen, and WANT to become. They want to become pawns in the game of Gods, who KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. They want aliens or God or gods and goddesses or Big Verginas from the Pleiaides to KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENINGS, AND TELL THEM. They want to be special, because they know what is happening, and no one else does. Like the char- acters in this film, they don't even CARE if the world goes to hell in a firestorm, JUST AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONVINCED THEY KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING, and no one else does. Ego. What monstrous ego. Maybe the planet really DOES deserve to become a cosmic crispy critter, if this is all the creativity its inhabitants can muster up. More importantly if the Sun winds up belching a flare and the Earth is in the way there is no guy in the sky that is going to save living creatures on Earth. But you wouldn't believe how many times I've mentioned in this scenario in the past that people wanted to believe the guy in the sky would save them. And also hated me for mentioning the scenario. :-D Yup. It reminded me of a post that Stu made here a while back in which he complained that a LOT of the plots of movies and TV he was seeing around him involved deus ex machina, the Unseen Force that really runs things and makes everything work out right. At the time, I didn't quite agree. But since then I have watched more of Lost, watched the ending of Battlestar Galactica, watched the beginnings of Kings, and watched this movie, Knowing. ALL of these stories are deus ex machina, and involve the belief in some Big Guy or Big Aliens who are looking out for us, and who know better than we do, and are taking care of us. It's the cinematic counterpart of Nabby's belief in the fictional Maitreya and the aliens who are going to come someday and make everything right. It's an ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITY FANTASY. IMO, of course. Some obviously *like* such fantasies, and have for centuries. God will take care of things; we don't have to, and all that. I just tend to shake my head when I see more and more and more of these fantasies arise when times get tough. It's like When the going gets tough, the tough hide under rocks and expect Daddy to come and save them. Not my kinda plotline. Why can't we have more plots in which the human race saves ITSELF? Through nothing more mysterious than using its gifts of free will, intelligence, and getting off its collective butt to DO SOMETHING? You recall, of course, that at the beginning of Knowing Nicolas Cage in his college class is discussing determinism. Then the movies strays all over the place. What is with the religious crap at the end? In the story Cage has strayed away from the family since his father is a minister and his sister like a Jesus freak. I DO wonder what is up with this shit. Is there actually a think tank report sitting on the movers and shakers desks somewhere that says either we're going to get fried by a killshot or freeze to death by an ice age. So to keep the masses from panicking and rioting they try to re instill the mind control technique known as religion? Seems pretty weird to me especially when we read that people are finally drifting away from religion especially seeing what religious fanaticism brings to the world. Who'd want to go there? And what about that Mira TV Sorvino flic? What a piece of crap that was.
[FairfieldLife] Meeting My Neighbors
When I lived in an apartment complex I barely knew any of my neighbors which is often typical of living in one. When I bought a house I thought things would be different but it was about the same. Except for the adjacent neighbors I didn't know much of anyone else. Yesterday at about 3 PM as I just finished some computer work there were two blue flashes and explosions outside. It sounded like a power transformer blowing but there are none in the immediate area. The power went out and my UPS systems started beeping (except for the ones that need new batteries -- I've been waiting for Fry's to restock their inventory of them). What had happened was a tree down the street had fallen on the power lines knocking the high tension wires on top off the insulators on the other poles and causing two wires to collide outside my house. So the fire department came, the police came and blocked the street so we all stood around chatting and in some cases meeting neighbors we had not had the opportunity yet to meet. PGE came and spent the whole night restringing and replacing insulators (with better ones) and of course first sawing up the tree that fell over on the line. PGE contracts a company to do this when lines are in jeopardy so it's not like they show up and demand you get your tree trimmed or topped. It just gets done. This tree off the street may not have looked like such as threat but I think the soil from the nearby stream was too weak causing it to topple. Since the power lines were shut down there really was no danger to anyone standing in the streets though it took a while for the FD and PD to confirm that. Many took off and had dinner. I contemplated going to a movie at the art house a few miles away but instead stayed home and played with a little RC helicopter I picked up the other day. Then later that evening because I had a couple of DVDs I had rented and I have two laptops fortunately with fully charged batteries I watched those. The power came back up at 8 AM this morning, just in time for the trucks to arrive and toppled the tree across the street from me, not the one that caused the outage but a tall old pine that the new home owners didn't want to deal and it's liability so they arranged to have it removed today and put little notes at our door telling us that it was going to happen. As for PGE, it had been trimmed for that and the cable and phone company.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Billy, Again you surprise me. Can't figure ya. snip How many more years before Girish takes the title Maharishi, kicks the raja's out of the fold, sends a gang of Indian thugs to re-structure MUM, etc.? Can't be too long as the economy dries up all the cash cows -- Girish will want to reduce his staff, right?...there goes King Tony and the Apostles. Edg No, No! First there'll be a raja recertification course - only $500,000 Will they be called RajaRajas? reRajas? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans Grooming Jindal for Presidential Candidacy?
Jefferson is considered the guru or rishi of the Republican party. When he was alive, it can be assumed that he believed to be superior to most people, given the fact that he supported slavery and kept many slaves as well. Since he fell to the temptation of an apsara, this only proves that he was a mere human being. Barry, I don't think you need to worry about Indra sending one of his apsaras to tempt you. Why? Because you don't present a challenge to his dominion. He's already got you by the balls, so to speak. JR Just as a question, are you aware that this fact would bring up those 'related' ideas only in someone who fears women? For instance, the literature includes many stories relating to aspsaras, or the celestial dancers. These are supposedly beautiful goddesses in Indra's court. Every now and then, Indra would order these apsaras to tempt those who are attempting to be rishis through there austerity and meditation programs. And you believe that austerity and meditation programs are by definition somehow higher or better than having sex and having children? And that being a rishi is somehow better or higher than being a householder? Or even being Just A Guy? You do, dude, whether you know it or not. Other- wise you would never have made this non-existent connection between Jefferson (who aspired to no such status, and was Just A Guy) and these cave-bound, fearful guys who were pursuing rishi status. Jefferson was Just A Guy who fell in love with Just A Woman. End of story. He didn't hide it. He loved Sally Hemmings, accord- ing to all reports during his life. And I, for one, have to value that as higher or better than someone wasting their life in meditation, hoping for results that benefit only himself. I'm writing back only because I get SO tired of this glorification of Male Chauvinist scripture, written by men who were terrified of women, *for* other men who are terrified of women, painting half the human race as mere temptresses, created for no other purpose than to make their wangers rise instead of their kundalini and lure them off the spiritual path. I can conceive of no sadder view of life. And to glorify a supposed God or gods whom one believes supposedly *created* such a sad view of life? Even sadder. In other words, was Jefferson tempted by an apsara, in the guise of Sally Hemmings? In other words, Jefferson was Just A Guy, just as Buddha was Just A Guy, and just as every supposed male saint or avatar or rishi in history has been Just A Guy. The only difference was that Jefferson was smarter than the fearful rishis who were so terrified of women that when it came time to make up fairy stories, the only ones they could think up involved self-importance fantasies about how all the women around them were trying to tempt them. That and the fact that Jefferson actually DID SOMETHING with his life, whereas most of the rishis just sat around and indulged in self- importance fantasies and wrote about it, for the enjoyment of other male chauvinist, fearful men who like reading such stories so that *they* can indulge in self-importance fantasies, too. Have I made my position on this clear enough? If not, here it is in two sentences. Anyone who believes that God made half the human race superior to the other half, and that he has to FEAR the other half lest they lure him away from that God, more than deserves that God. May they be happy together in their male chauvinist heaven. You probably didn't intend to say exactly this, John, but IMO you DO believe it. It's been apparent in your posts here since Day One. You glorify fairy tales that glorify men and that portray women as whores and temptresses. It comes up as a theme in your posts often. And I think that's sad. But if it gets you through the day to believe that women are here to tempt you away from the true path, may you be happy on that path. Horny, but happy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg How about tm proponents all behaving like balanced compassionate folks and not giving a hoot about levitation, money, or being recognized as world saviors.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Pranamoocher, Love your user name. No, I don't even meditate 2x20mins/day. I had a series of disasters hit me -- starting in 1998. Even after 29 years of TM, I was so unclear about my real reasons for meditating, that, when the disasters started, I was shocked at my reactions to stress were so un-enlightened. I was taken aback that this kind of karma (personality failure) could happen to me despite all my preventative measures. Simply put: I thought that meditating was a sort of guarantee that no matter what life threw at me, my balance wouldn't be that easily skewed by circumstances. But when it all hit the fan, I found myself completely ordinary and like any other guy in my inability to handle the stresses coming at me. I was devastated, completely overwhelmed, and had my nose rubbed into my delusions so hard, that TM became a WTF was I thinking? issue for me. Despite all my meditation, pujas, teaching TM, etc., I was in no way superior to anyone else when life tapped me on the shoulder and said, Here's how easily you can be stressed into a shuddering mass of meat in a fetal position. It was the last straw. I was forced to get clarity about my expectations for TM in terms of personality transformation. I was willing to go through many lifetimes to get enlightened, but if I was to believe that my path was a true path, I'd have to conclude that my personality and the personalities of other TM TBs had changed for the better after all the decades in the chair -- and I could not come to such a conclusion. Everyone was exactly the same as I always knew them -- energetically, intellectually, emotionally. TM had not evolved any of us in any measurable way that would have real-world consequences. The TM community in FF that I knew was getting sick, divorcing, committing crimes, using drugs, having obvious mental dysfunctionality, etcin absolutely common-life degree and kind. Long time TB on the program meditators were fucking up in every way possible. So, say that the threw the baby out with the bath water if you must, but to me, staying with TM was out of the question when 29 years of it had me arriving at such a spiritual collapse. Oh me of little faith, eh? What's 29 years when it takes a million lifetimes, eh? Yeah, call me a quitter. If only I was a quitter -- wow, would I have had a better life if I had quit early-on in many of my endeavors instead of going deeper into denial. I know I can sit in a chair, take the mantra, go deep, go deep fast, and come out feeling rested to some degree, but, sorry to tell ya, a 20 minute nap can refresh me 10x better than a 20 min meditation. Nature knows how to refurbish me, but my mental technique apparently doesn't have the power that it's touted to have, and in fact, for me, it cannot even match a nap's healing power. Am I alone in this regard? I think not. Does anyone here know a long time TM TB who has been transformed into some sort of ideal personality who would never get devastated by all-too-common and ordinary psychological events that most of humanity is subjected to regularly? Does TM give one the ability to process in any superior fashion any of these challenges: death in the family harsh illness like cancer divorce career/business failure jail sentence a mugging seeing morbidly obese Bevan touting TM health claims I would bet a lot of money that virtually any TB would be found to be reacting in completely ordinary ways to the above and not to show any cosmic wisdom, or witnessing distance, or whatever. I've seen a wide spectrum of events in FF in every category above -- and all the folks involved in the various situations were seen crying, acting out, misbehaving, and/or other responses that easily disproves the person to be better prepared for the challenges. Maharishi was known to scream in anger, fire people on the spot, violate his own principles, get ill, spout non-sense, etc. WTF, eh? The only thing that TM can speak to me about, nowadays, is transcendence as a doorway to freedom from identification, but a host of other techniques offer me that same potential. TM is a wish that never came true. Edg When I gave up expecting magic, all TM could offer me was what nature already gave me if I just closed my eyes and let sleep come. And quitting TM gave me four more hours per day to be alive instead of in a holding pattern. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: Edg: J/C: You don't practice TM even at 2x/day still? I don't need to be a TB to feel the benefits of the rest and clarity I always get from TM. This wasn't your experience, independent of all the Mumbo Jumbo other stuff, I too have discarded over the years? Did you give it up completely over being disillusioned with the TMO or from lack of any tangible benefits? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: What would it take
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to go around already that's for real! This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu Don't know about girish but the mov't owns a multi-million yacht anchored in NYC. It's on the books of the Maharishi global development fund. Apparently used for tmo bigwigs to entertain wall street bigwigs. What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some knock your socks off scientific measurements showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go Urp, say what? 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets. Um, it would get my interest. 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my TM only works somewhat conclusions. 8. If the words Transcendental Meditation Works appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. You? What would it take? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
(snip) 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. (snip) Sorry Germans for destroying Germany...sorry France for invading your country, sorry Russia for invading your country, sorry USA for all the men and woman who had to fight your stupid ass, and so on... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Howard Stern to appear in 4'th April concert
(snip) Springtime in Paris! Along the Rue De Richelieu the early morning mist is giving way to the warmth of the sun,and the eyes of the couples walking hand in hand sparkle with the delight of being alive, being in love and being together in Paris. One couple breaks off from the sidewalk to find a bench to enjoy a moment falling into each others laughter and the soul kisses that remind them of the time they spent together this morning before getting out of bed. (snip) Been there, done that... R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meeting My Neighbors
Bhairitu, and ??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: When I lived in an apartment complex I barely knew any of my neighbors which is often typical of living in one. When I bought a house I thought things would be different but it was about the same. Except for the adjacent neighbors I didn't know much of anyone else. Yesterday at about 3 PM as I just finished some computer work there were two blue flashes and explosions outside. It sounded like a power transformer blowing but there are none in the immediate area. The power went out and my UPS systems started beeping (except for the ones that need new batteries -- I've been waiting for Fry's to restock their inventory of them). What had happened was a tree down the street had fallen on the power lines knocking the high tension wires on top off the insulators on the other poles and causing two wires to collide outside my house. So the fire department came, the police came and blocked the street so we all stood around chatting and in some cases meeting neighbors we had not had the opportunity yet to meet. PGE came and spent the whole night restringing and replacing insulators (with better ones) and of course first sawing up the tree that fell over on the line. PGE contracts a company to do this when lines are in jeopardy so it's not like they show up and demand you get your tree trimmed or topped. It just gets done. This tree off the street may not have looked like such as threat but I think the soil from the nearby stream was too weak causing it to topple. Since the power lines were shut down there really was no danger to anyone standing in the streets though it took a while for the FD and PD to confirm that. Many took off and had dinner. I contemplated going to a movie at the art house a few miles away but instead stayed home and played with a little RC helicopter I picked up the other day. Then later that evening because I had a couple of DVDs I had rented and I have two laptops fortunately with fully charged batteries I watched those. The power came back up at 8 AM this morning, just in time for the trucks to arrive and toppled the tree across the street from me, not the one that caused the outage but a tall old pine that the new home owners didn't want to deal and it's liability so they arranged to have it removed today and put little notes at our door telling us that it was going to happen. As for PGE, it had been trimmed for that and the cable and phone company.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hollywood's latest food fad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: (From the London Times): The Primal diet: the silliest diet ever? Hollywood's latest food fad is the most extreme yet. Please, do not try eating raw meat at home, warns our writer Julia Llewellyn Smith John, a 36-year-old from London, is discussing the foods his diet allows. Carrots perhaps? Or quinoa? I'm very keen on a raw hare carcass, he says. Raw mallard is good too. So's raw tongue and raw organ meat. Ideally, it'll have been sitting around for three or four weeks and be really off. My Waking Down teacher eats the Primal Diet, and to the best of my knowledge, she didn't eat any high meat at all (high meat being meat that has essentially been allowed to rot.) She mostly eats fresh raw chicken breast. In none of my browsing in various raw paleo forums have I ever gotten the impression that high meat makes up a significant part of the Primal Diet. It's mostly fresh raw meat, raw vegetable juice, raw dairy, and raw honey.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Dangerous Man in the World
On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Vaj wrote: Was Merton talking about Obama? Since Obama is not a contemplative, I doubt it. Not to mention that he died in 68. Your post seems more about a pattern of obsessive thinking on your part. If you're still having such a hard time letting go of the fact that Hillary lost the election, way back when, you might want to talk someone about that... Bingo. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Neuter 'Dogs Man'
Neuter 'Dogs Man' March 27, 2009 Dogs, cats and, man should have plans available to eliminate indiscriminate pregnancy. Population control is a method of improving the life of any specie, particularly at this point with man proliferating unchecked from just 2 billion people a few short years ago to 10 billion over the next few decades. India alone has 1.2 billion people on a land far less than 1/2 the size of the US and, with no control of the sexual urge. Apparently, besides a certain type of monkey, no other animal enjoys sex for fun! Sex with consciousness is even a more powerful happening leading to love and it’s possibility of deepening of it as well as the general consciousness of participants. The path of love deepening with conscious sex is one to elevate human kind to an evolution beyond the present state of constant turmoil. Kitties, puppies, and human babies are certainly wonderful expressions of life, however, enough is enough for the good of the high quality of life. A world where children are the product of a deep and responsible love will be a better world and one that evolves man beyond the crimes and violence that are so prevalent. Religions are against many methods of birth control so as to keep their religion filled with ready made converts. Even nations look to support unchecked population out of ignorance and economic reasons. Our resources and general environment are being ‘taxed’ from lack of mindful controls to promote a healthier world. The world is running out of control and, will reach calamity soon, after having gone with no controls on population in a few short years. Quantity is not producing quality. Talk and plans of creating humane and workable neutering of humans (particularly of men who are designed by nature to be motivated for sex in excess of the average female) needs to be happening now. Education about the mysteries of life and love is far more important than sidestepping it to spend a life working for survival while in relationships barely working to bring more children into an over populated world. Control over ‘birthing’ opens a whole new area of better possibilities and, freedom for humanity. Yesss Self Love Center Est. 1991 arhatafreespe...@yahoo.com 310 880-2020 Port Townsend, Washington USA http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meeting My Neighbors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Bhairitu, and ?? Perhaps he's saying that human contact has been replaced with gizmos, gadgets and TV...no one really trusts? anything, anymore... Everything is sort of soured and spoiled...moldy and stuck. Except when the electricity goes down, then something good is happening. We're jaded and uncomfortable in how jaded and mistrustful we've become... Maybe that's what he was trying to get at? R.G. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: When I lived in an apartment complex I barely knew any of my neighbors which is often typical of living in one. When I bought a house I thought things would be different but it was about the same. Except for the adjacent neighbors I didn't know much of anyone else. Yesterday at about 3 PM as I just finished some computer work there were two blue flashes and explosions outside. It sounded like a power transformer blowing but there are none in the immediate area. The power went out and my UPS systems started beeping (except for the ones that need new batteries -- I've been waiting for Fry's to restock their inventory of them). What had happened was a tree down the street had fallen on the power lines knocking the high tension wires on top off the insulators on the other poles and causing two wires to collide outside my house. So the fire department came, the police came and blocked the street so we all stood around chatting and in some cases meeting neighbors we had not had the opportunity yet to meet. PGE came and spent the whole night restringing and replacing insulators (with better ones) and of course first sawing up the tree that fell over on the line. PGE contracts a company to do this when lines are in jeopardy so it's not like they show up and demand you get your tree trimmed or topped. It just gets done. This tree off the street may not have looked like such as threat but I think the soil from the nearby stream was too weak causing it to topple. Since the power lines were shut down there really was no danger to anyone standing in the streets though it took a while for the FD and PD to confirm that. Many took off and had dinner. I contemplated going to a movie at the art house a few miles away but instead stayed home and played with a little RC helicopter I picked up the other day. Then later that evening because I had a couple of DVDs I had rented and I have two laptops fortunately with fully charged batteries I watched those. The power came back up at 8 AM this morning, just in time for the trucks to arrive and toppled the tree across the street from me, not the one that caused the outage but a tall old pine that the new home owners didn't want to deal and it's liability so they arranged to have it removed today and put little notes at our door telling us that it was going to happen. As for PGE, it had been trimmed for that and the cable and phone company.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neuter 'Dogs Man'
May we start the neuterization with you arhatafreespe...@... Now, this won't hurt a bit! Just bite down, real hard on the saltine cracker! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] 'Out of Time'
OUT OF TIME (Jagger/Richards) You don't know what's going on You've been away for far too long You can't come back and think you are still mine You're out of touch, my baby My poor discarded baby I said, baby, baby, baby, you're out of time Well, baby, baby, baby, you're out of time I said, baby, baby, baby, you're out of time You are all left out Out of there without a doubt 'Cause baby, baby, baby, you're out of time You thought you were a clever girl Giving up your social whirl But you can't come back and be the first in line, oh no You're obsolete my baby My poor old-fashioned baby I said baby, baby, baby you're out of time Well, baby, baby, baby, you're out of time I said, baby, baby, baby, you're out of time Yes, you are left out Out of there without a doubt 'Cause baby, baby, baby, you're out of time I said, baby, baby, you're out of time Jagger/Richards...1966
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meeting My Neighbors
This is why I suggest getting a Trikke. If you want to meet your neighbors, trikking the streets'll do it. I've done my streets so much that I can't even get a dog to bark at my passing by; little kids don't stare agape, and virtually every car's driver gives me a smile or nod. I'm so known that I'm now invisible like the mail carrier -- never being a big blip on anyone's radar. It's very nice. I say a few words to almost everyone: hi, nice day, great weather, love your dog, etcmostly small blurbs of no consequence, but a touching of spirits does happen. A kid went missing a few months ago, and his brother and sister knocked on my door to see if I'd seen him around in my trikking. I hadn't, but, yep, despite not knowing the kid that well -- he was only five years old -- I got on the Trikke and did the neighborhood yelling out his name every 20 feet, got a lot of passing cars to stop and alerted them, helped the cops canvas the blocks, and then, finally, the kid was found hiding under his bed and not coming out when his frantic parents were calling for him. I knew not anyone's name, but they all knew me by my frequenting of the streets, and I discovered a sort of trust had been built up thereby. A two way street too, cuz seeing a person again and again develops a relationship willy-nilly. So, take a walk around every day, and that should do your social life a solid. Everyone smiles and is friendly, and it accrues, I tells ya, it accrues. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: When I lived in an apartment complex I barely knew any of my neighbors which is often typical of living in one. When I bought a house I thought things would be different but it was about the same. Except for the adjacent neighbors I didn't know much of anyone else. Yesterday at about 3 PM as I just finished some computer work there were two blue flashes and explosions outside. It sounded like a power transformer blowing but there are none in the immediate area. The power went out and my UPS systems started beeping (except for the ones that need new batteries -- I've been waiting for Fry's to restock their inventory of them). What had happened was a tree down the street had fallen on the power lines knocking the high tension wires on top off the insulators on the other poles and causing two wires to collide outside my house. So the fire department came, the police came and blocked the street so we all stood around chatting and in some cases meeting neighbors we had not had the opportunity yet to meet. PGE came and spent the whole night restringing and replacing insulators (with better ones) and of course first sawing up the tree that fell over on the line. PGE contracts a company to do this when lines are in jeopardy so it's not like they show up and demand you get your tree trimmed or topped. It just gets done. This tree off the street may not have looked like such as threat but I think the soil from the nearby stream was too weak causing it to topple. Since the power lines were shut down there really was no danger to anyone standing in the streets though it took a while for the FD and PD to confirm that. Many took off and had dinner. I contemplated going to a movie at the art house a few miles away but instead stayed home and played with a little RC helicopter I picked up the other day. Then later that evening because I had a couple of DVDs I had rented and I have two laptops fortunately with fully charged batteries I watched those. The power came back up at 8 AM this morning, just in time for the trucks to arrive and toppled the tree across the street from me, not the one that caused the outage but a tall old pine that the new home owners didn't want to deal and it's liability so they arranged to have it removed today and put little notes at our door telling us that it was going to happen. As for PGE, it had been trimmed for that and the cable and phone company.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
On Mar 27, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Duveyoung wrote: What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? I'd have to honestly say I could not, knowing what I know. BUT, a better question might be 'what would it take for you to recommend TM and it's org to others?' For that to be a possibility, they'd have to be: -100% transparency, responsible spending and shared planning. -drop the non-sectarian posing and come out as a Hindu movement honestly interested in preserving, forwarding and spreading sanatana dharma through creation of higher states of consciousness. -stop diluting the techniques to almost worthlessness, but reestablish legitimate yogic practices, allowing people to become self-empowered through authentic yogic transmission in a graded, experiential set of practices, leading to acharya. -perform seva. Then I might consider recommending them to folks interested in Hindu dharma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Vaj wrote: -100% transparency, responsible spending and shared planning. -drop the non-sectarian posing and come out as a Hindu movement honestly interested in preserving, forwarding and spreading sanatana dharma through creation of higher states of consciousness. -stop diluting the techniques to almost worthlessness, but reestablish legitimate yogic practices, allowing people to become self-empowered through authentic yogic transmission in a graded, experiential set of practices, leading to acharya. -perform seva. Then I might consider recommending them to folks interested in Hindu dharma. So, when are your going to start?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. I know folks who haven't quit who are having such experiences regularly, and folks who have quit who are also having them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meeting My Neighbors
Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Bhairitu, and ?? Perhaps he's saying that human contact has been replaced with gizmos, gadgets and TV...no one really trusts? anything, anymore... Everything is sort of soured and spoiled...moldy and stuck. Except when the electricity goes down, then something good is happening. We're jaded and uncomfortable in how jaded and mistrustful we've become... Maybe that's what he was trying to get at? R.G. That's right. A little commentary on how we don't often get to know our neighbors until something like this happens. I suspect others here have noticed the same thing. And then there is the phenomenon I've noticed where people say they're too busy to keep in contact anymore. I get that with relatives sometimes. Truth is they aren't but life just seems busier for them or they can't keep up with stuff like they used to. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meeting My Neighbors
Actually one of the things we were chatting about was how boring it is to walk around here. Most people don't and like me go elsewhere like nearby regional parks for their walks. There is actually a regional park a block away but very hilly and the trails often muddy so no one goes there and a little dangerous because it is close to the freeway and vagrants will hang out there (not to probably mention an occasional mountain lion). The reason I don't see the neighbors that much is most work so they're not home until evening. A few of us work out of our houses so those you may get to know. And frankly some people might find it a little difficult to relate to a tantric computer programmer. :-) Duveyoung wrote: This is why I suggest getting a Trikke. If you want to meet your neighbors, trikking the streets'll do it. I've done my streets so much that I can't even get a dog to bark at my passing by; little kids don't stare agape, and virtually every car's driver gives me a smile or nod. I'm so known that I'm now invisible like the mail carrier -- never being a big blip on anyone's radar. It's very nice. I say a few words to almost everyone: hi, nice day, great weather, love your dog, etcmostly small blurbs of no consequence, but a touching of spirits does happen. A kid went missing a few months ago, and his brother and sister knocked on my door to see if I'd seen him around in my trikking. I hadn't, but, yep, despite not knowing the kid that well -- he was only five years old -- I got on the Trikke and did the neighborhood yelling out his name every 20 feet, got a lot of passing cars to stop and alerted them, helped the cops canvas the blocks, and then, finally, the kid was found hiding under his bed and not coming out when his frantic parents were calling for him. I knew not anyone's name, but they all knew me by my frequenting of the streets, and I discovered a sort of trust had been built up thereby. A two way street too, cuz seeing a person again and again develops a relationship willy-nilly. So, take a walk around every day, and that should do your social life a solid. Everyone smiles and is friendly, and it accrues, I tells ya, it accrues. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: -100% transparency, responsible spending and shared planning. -drop the non-sectarian posing and come out as a Hindu movement honestly interested in preserving, forwarding and spreading sanatana dharma through creation of higher states of consciousness. -stop diluting the techniques to almost worthlessness, but reestablish legitimate yogic practices, allowing people to become self-empowered through authentic yogic transmission in a graded, experiential set of practices, leading to acharya. -perform seva. Then I might consider recommending them to folks interested in Hindu dharma. So, when are your going to start? Vaj, sounds like, 'The Barack Obama' of the TM Movement! Jai Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meeting My Neighbors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Bhairitu, and ?? Perhaps he's saying that human contact has been replaced with gizmos, gadgets and TV...no one really trusts? anything, anymore... Everything is sort of soured and spoiled...moldy and stuck. Except when the electricity goes down, then something good is happening. We're jaded and uncomfortable in how jaded and mistrustful we've become... Maybe that's what he was trying to get at? R.G. That's right. A little commentary on how we don't often get to know our neighbors until something like this happens. I suspect others here have noticed the same thing. And then there is the phenomenon I've noticed where people say they're too busy to keep in contact anymore. I get that with relatives sometimes. Truth is they aren't but life just seems busier for them or they can't keep up with stuff like they used to. ;-) I was talking to this younger guy, from Ukraine, where he works at the convenience store, and asked him how he likes the USA... He was shrugging his shoulders, and saying that it's not like where he grew up in Ukraine... I asked him if he stays in contact with his friends, through internet, and he said yes... He said, in my country, people seem more 'soulful'... They look you in the eye, and are really interested in knowing you, like a 'soul thing'... He said, I feel a different feeling there, more heart and soul, than I feel here. So, I said, maybe it's because, here in the US, everyone is from all these different cultures, to explain why it was so superficial here, and so aloof... He shrugged and didn't know what to say about my excuse for the way we have become. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Is Not A Religion Religion
This is just willful stupidity and closedmindedness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I am SO bored with this topic I can't chime in with much more than a rant. I don't see how anyone with an ounce of integrity can *possibly* be arguing that the TMO does not teach religiously-based ideas. But I do understand WHY people don't have that ounce of integrity. They've been taught that when it comes to fundamental points of TM dogma that the ONLY thing that matters is not only following them but defending them. And one of the strongest and MOST drummed- into-people's-heads pieces of dogma during their TM instruction is TM Is Not A Religion. It's said in every Introductory Lecture, *whether the subject comes up on its own or not*, it's said during each night of the three nights of checking, *whether the subject comes up on its own or not*, and it's said pretty much every time after that that the subject of religion comes up. For years. Ad absurdum. This is arguably **THE** most fundamental piece of TM dogma, probably repeated more often than Thou shalt not strain on the mantra. And after all that much repetition, people just lose all sense of perspective about it. The sub- ject comes up, and they become mindless evangel- ists for the TM Is Not A Religion Religion. They'll say ANYTHING rather than admit what MOST of them know to be the truth, that OF COURSE all of the TM dogma is based on Hindu dogma. They'll lie, they'll deny, they'll come with up excuses, they'll obfuscate, they'll attempt to distract, they'll do ANYTHING rather than violate this First Commandment. And personally I'm getting a little tired of it. There seems to me to be NO QUESTION that teaching TM *as it is taught now* in American school systems violates the Constitution. TM Teachers are just not CAPABLE of teaching the basic technique 1) without a religious puja, and 2) without all of the directly-derived-from- Hinduism explanations of what is really happening when you meditate during the three nights of checking, and afterwards. The ONLY way to keep this essentially religious dogma from being taught in schools is to not allow it to be taught there in the first place. We simply cannot TRUST TM Teachers to leave out the parts of the dogma that are directly derived from Hindu thought when they present the three nights of checking, let alone afterwards, as they try to suck these students into Advanced Tech- niques and the Siddhis. And *everyone* here knows that that's exactly what they will do. It is EXACTLY the same situation that caused Thomas Jefferson to write one of his most remem- bered quotes, the one that graces the Jefferson Memorial in Washington. This quote was written in a letter to a friend discussing an attempt by Christians to teach *their* dogma in a school system. In that particular case, *they* promised not to teach anything explicitly religious either, and NO ONE BELIEVED THEM. NO ONE SHOULD BELIEVE THE TMO EITHER. Instead, believe Thomas Jefferson. He had the right idea: I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man. Jefferson was talking about *preventing* the teach- ing of religion in schools in America. The principle still stands. It stands in the case of Christianity, and it stands in the case of the TM Is Not A Religion Religion. IMO, of course...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
On Mar 27, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Rick Archer wrote: 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. I know folks who haven't quit who are having such experiences regularly, and folks who have quit who are also having them. There will always people who claim to be spiritual who just want to talk about themselves and their experiences. Heck, back in the 80's people like that were a dime a dozen! You could have your choice of who was channeling what...for a fee typically. I don't mean to imply these aren't nice folks (I'm rather fond of some of these people)-- they are, I guess I must be somewhat jaded, it's just not that impressive, all this mental plane stuff. It's like hanging around a bunch of Enochian magicians.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Is Not A Religion Religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: This is just willful stupidity and closedmindedness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I am SO bored with this topic I can't chime in with much more than a rant. I don't see how anyone with an ounce of integrity can *possibly* be arguing that the TMO does not teach religiously-based ideas. But I do understand WHY people don't have that ounce of integrity. They've been taught that when it comes to fundamental points of TM dogma that the ONLY thing that matters is not only following them but defending them. And one of the strongest and MOST drummed- into-people's-heads pieces of dogma during their TM instruction is TM Is Not A Religion. It's said in every Introductory Lecture, *whether the subject comes up on its own or not*, it's said during each night of the three nights of checking, *whether the subject comes up on its own or not*, and it's said pretty much every time after that that the subject of religion comes up. For years. Ad absurdum. This is arguably **THE** most fundamental piece of TM dogma, probably repeated more often than Thou shalt not strain on the mantra. And after all that much repetition, people just lose all sense of perspective about it. The sub- ject comes up, and they become mindless evangel- ists for the TM Is Not A Religion Religion. They'll say ANYTHING rather than admit what MOST of them know to be the truth, that OF COURSE all of the TM dogma is based on Hindu dogma. They'll lie, they'll deny, they'll come with up excuses, they'll obfuscate, they'll attempt to distract, they'll do ANYTHING rather than violate this First Commandment. And personally I'm getting a little tired of it. There seems to me to be NO QUESTION that teaching TM *as it is taught now* in American school systems violates the Constitution. TM Teachers are just not CAPABLE of teaching the basic technique 1) without a religious puja, and 2) without all of the directly-derived-from- Hinduism explanations of what is really happening when you meditate during the three nights of checking, and afterwards. The ONLY way to keep this essentially religious dogma from being taught in schools is to not allow it to be taught there in the first place. We simply cannot TRUST TM Teachers to leave out the parts of the dogma that are directly derived from Hindu thought when they present the three nights of checking, let alone afterwards, as they try to suck these students into Advanced Tech- niques and the Siddhis. And *everyone* here knows that that's exactly what they will do. It is EXACTLY the same situation that caused Thomas Jefferson to write one of his most remem- bered quotes, the one that graces the Jefferson Memorial in Washington. This quote was written in a letter to a friend discussing an attempt by Christians to teach *their* dogma in a school system. In that particular case, *they* promised not to teach anything explicitly religious either, and NO ONE BELIEVED THEM. NO ONE SHOULD BELIEVE THE TMO EITHER. Instead, believe Thomas Jefferson. He had the right idea: I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man. Jefferson was talking about *preventing* the teach- ing of religion in schools in America. The principle still stands. It stands in the case of Christianity, and it stands in the case of the TM Is Not A Religion Religion. IMO, of course... Even a broken clock is right twice a day, or, how about this one, every now and then even a blind squirrel with find a nut! Right on Turq, (don't know about the Jefferson stuff).
