[FairfieldLife] Dish Earth channel -- 212
Dish satellite service has a channel showing the earth from their satellite 22,000 miles out -- so far, I've only seen glare from the sun, but should be cool at times.
[FairfieldLife] Dish Earth channel -- 212
Dish satellite service has a channel showing the earth from their satellite 22,000 miles out -- so far, I've only seen glare from the sun, but should be cool at times. http://www.homesfornh.com/dish-network-tv/blog/tag/dish-earth/ http://www.homesfornh.com/dish-network-tv/blog/tag/dish-earth/ UFOlogists, take note: [ufo] http://www.homesfornh.com/dish-network-tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/\ 04/ufo.jpg In a first-of-its-kind event, DISH Network has launched the DISH Earth channel. A channel that will show our planet 24 hours a day, seven days a week from the vantage point provided by DISH Network's EchoStar 11 satellite. Orbiting some 23,000 miles above the Earth's equator, the stationary satellite will provide DISH Network subscribers with stunning views of our planet as the never-ending changes cross its surface. In addition to the changes viewers might expect to witness such as the transition from day to night (and vice versa) and wandering weather systems, some speculate that the new camera may capture a passing UFO or two. Launched during 2008, EchoStar 11 is positioned at 110 degrees west longitude in order to provide television programming for DISH Network customers who are inside the satellite's broadcast footprint. This development marks the first time in history that a camera has been mounted on a commercial communications satellite. In development for six years, the project was the result of a working partnership between DISH Network, it's sister company EchoStar Spacecraft Operations Team, Ecliptic Enterprises Corporation of Pasadena, CA, and Space Systems/Loral. It is being operated under a license granted by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). We are pleased to be able to offer, exclusively to our customers, footage from the world's only Earth-viewing live video camera on a commercial communications satellite, said Dave Shull, senior vice president of Programming at DISH Network. What's more, from time to time, the DISH Earth camera is able to capture some unique images, including an unidentified flying object last August. UFO buffs with copious amounts of time on their hands may want to keep watch in DISH Channel 212 for any other-worldly visitors that may be buzzing out planet. DISH Network customers who also have DVRs could also record hours of the new channel and later fast-forward through the footage for any interesting phenomenon, Sounds like it could be an interesting tool for the guys in UFO Hunters. Before anyone gets the idea that I'm making light of UFOs, and worse yet, those who investigate such things, I will admit that I find the whole UFO phenomenon quite interesting and I never miss an episode of UFO Hunters myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Not true. I wore saris because I was in India. I never heard that Maharishi told anyone they HAD to wear a sari. The fact is, my western clothes were totally out of place. Compared to saris they were ugly as hell. I gladly traded my dark, monochromatic suit jackets, skits, blouses and heels for the amazing Technicolor designs of silk saris. I felt quite feminine in them, despite occasionally getting tangle foot. I thought it was really cool that a neat little stack of six saris, an entire wardrobe, took up only one small corner of my suitcase while my very bulky western clothes dominated the rest of the space. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. No one slogged through mud and blood and we ate quite well, Indian food of course. We were in India at a very crucial time in history. Fifty Americans held captive in Iran. The era of détente ended. Soviet troops had invaded Afghanistan; their military forces were within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean, close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway for most of the world's oil. When Carter made his state of the Union address, January 23, 1980 he said: The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil We've increased and strengthened our naval presence in the Indian ocean, and we are now making arrangements for key naval and air facilities to be used by our forces in the region of northeast Africa and the Persian Gulf. The Carter Doctrine: http://www.answers.com/topic/carter-doctrine As you may recall, Maharishi was extremely concerned about the news of American ships blockading the Soviets in the Indian Ocean. Then one day, for no apparent reason, he never said exactly why, Maharishi had us reforming teams, make plans for travel visas, look at maps of India and plan how our teams would travel around the Indian coastline, teaching TM, I guess. So for a few days everyone went into hyper drive thinking about how they were going to get their travel arrangements organized on such short notice. Then nothing. Maharishi just dropped it. I felt like someone had just dumped me out of bed in the middle of a nice nap, just for the hell of it. A few days later, we got news the American ships had withdrawn the blockade. No one ever made a direct statement that we might had had anything to do with it. But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. I didn't surrender to Maharishi's control. I willingly embraced the experience of being with him. No one forced me to do anything. I was there because I loved him and felt I was doing what little I could for a noble purpose, world peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Post of the month, maybe of the year. Comment below. Thanks. You are probably the only one arising from the rabble of FFLife who thinks so. But I'll take the compliment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: TM cannot exist without the TMO. Warts and all, it is the only organization capable of teaching TM so that it remains TM, a simple mental technique, rather than some
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Not true. I wore saris because I was in India. I never heard that Maharishi told anyone they HAD to wear a sari. The fact is, my western clothes were totally out of place. Compared to saris they were ugly as hell. I gladly traded my dark, monochromatic suit jackets, skits, blouses and heels for the amazing Technicolor designs of silk saris. I felt quite feminine in them, despite occasionally getting tangle foot. I thought it was really cool that a neat little stack of six saris, an entire wardrobe, took up only one small corner of my suitcase while my very bulky western clothes dominated the rest of the space. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. No one slogged through mud and blood and we ate quite well, Indian food of course. We were in India at a very crucial time in history. Fifty Americans held captive in Iran. The era of détente ended. Soviet troops had invaded Afghanistan; their military forces were within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean, close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway for most of the world's oil. When Carter made his state of the Union address, January 23, 1980 he said: The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil We've increased and strengthened our naval presence in the Indian ocean, and we are now making arrangements for key naval and air facilities to be used by our forces in the region of northeast Africa and the Persian Gulf. The Carter Doctrine: http://www.answers.com/topic/carter-doctrine As you may recall, Maharishi was extremely concerned about the news of American ships blockading the Soviets in the Indian Ocean. Then one day, for no apparent reason, he never said exactly why, Maharishi had us reforming teams, make plans for travel visas, look at maps of India and plan how our teams would travel around the Indian coastline, teaching TM, I guess. So for a few days everyone went into hyper drive thinking about how they were going to get their travel arrangements organized on such short notice. Then nothing. Maharishi just dropped it. I felt like someone had just dumped me out of bed in the middle of a nice nap, just for the hell of it. A few days later, we got news the American ships had withdrawn the blockade. No one ever made a direct statement that we might had had anything to do with it. But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. I didn't surrender to Maharishi's control. I willingly embraced the experience of being with him. No one forced me to do anything. I was there because I loved him and felt I was doing what little I could for a noble purpose, world peace. Uh-huh. You have the unmitigated hubris to believe that your attention to maps of India and thoughts of India's coastline caused American military ships to withdraw at the time. The Maharishi Effect' in action right Raunch? See Curtis, this is why I don't attempt much in the way of dialog with folks like this. I may as well be talking to my pet gold fish. At the same time, I do feel genuine compassion. You know whenever something rolls on the tube showing Christian evangelicals speaking in tongues or going nuts in various ways... I watch, but I
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Not true. I wore saris because I was in India. I never heard that Maharishi told anyone they HAD to wear a sari. The fact is, my western clothes were totally out of place. Compared to saris they were ugly as hell. I gladly traded my dark, monochromatic suit jackets, skits, blouses and heels for the amazing Technicolor designs of silk saris. I felt quite feminine in them, despite occasionally getting tangle foot. I thought it was really cool that a neat little stack of six saris, an entire wardrobe, took up only one small corner of my suitcase while my very bulky western clothes dominated the rest of the space. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. No one slogged through mud and blood and we ate quite well, Indian food of course. We were in India at a very crucial time in history. Fifty Americans held captive in Iran. The era of détente ended. Soviet troops had invaded Afghanistan; their military forces were within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean, close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway for most of the world's oil. When Carter made his state of the Union address, January 23, 1980 he said: The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil We've increased and strengthened our naval presence in the Indian ocean, and we are now making arrangements for key naval and air facilities to be used by our forces in the region of northeast Africa and the Persian Gulf. The Carter Doctrine: http://www.answers.com/topic/carter-doctrine As you may recall, Maharishi was extremely concerned about the news of American ships blockading the Soviets in the Indian Ocean. Then one day, for no apparent reason, he never said exactly why, Maharishi had us reforming teams, make plans for travel visas, look at maps of India and plan how our teams would travel around the Indian coastline, teaching TM, I guess. So for a few days everyone went into hyper drive thinking about how they were going to get their travel arrangements organized on such short notice. Then nothing. Maharishi just dropped it. I felt like someone had just dumped me out of bed in the middle of a nice nap, just for the hell of it. A few days later, we got news the American ships had withdrawn the blockade. No one ever made a direct statement that we might had had anything to do with it. But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. I didn't surrender to Maharishi's control. I willingly embraced the experience of being with him. No one forced me to do anything. I was there because I loved him and felt I was doing what little I could for a noble purpose, world peace. Uh-huh. You have the unmitigated hubris to believe that your attention to maps of India and thoughts of India's coastline caused American military ships to withdraw at the time. I report. You decide. The Maharishi Effect' in action right Raunch? See Curtis, this is why I don't attempt much in the way of dialog with folks like this. I may as well be talking to my pet gold
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If my attempt at humour with John Manning backfired because he is void of any sense of humour, I am truly sorry for hurting his feelings. But if the rather lame and silly things I said about him are the standard upon which to label one as insane and meanspirited then gosh, Barry, what does that make you in light of all the horrible things you write ON A DAILY FUCKING BASIS about Judy (to take just one of the targets of your hate)? I was thinking the same thing. You expected everyone to realize you were kidding; Barry intends for his lies to be believed. Which is why, incidentally, he didn't realize you were kidding. This from the person who characterized my suggestion that she was going to get so angry that she would spontaneously burst into flame a death threat. And who claims this to this day. As someone would say, guffaw :-) Tom Indeed my TM/TMSP practice is becoming sweeter and sweeter. Pall has *acted out* on his revenge fantasies several times in the past. In a post last night, he still says that he's *proud* of having posted porn on FFL in an attempt to get it taken down and still hopes that that happens. He has claimed here falsely that I sent him kiddie porn in email; that is a claim that in America sics Internet cops whose job it is to scan the Net for such perps on your ass. Check out the quote lower in this post if you want to *really* guffaw at the irony of this claim coming from Tom Pall. This is an example of the things my attorney now has in a file in case Tom ever feels like acting out again. Me, I've just suggested that in my opinion the view of self that a few folks here have of themselves is not the *only* view, and that the Big Picture description of them might just include a little more psychosis and a lot less importance in the grand scheme of things. Tom Pall writes on alt.tv.pol-incorrect: I spent 4 hears with multiple on-line companies, notably a company called Lexitans, in Leawood, KS, USA (It has since changed names to Cyber Data Processing, though the 900 number company retains its name Overland Data Systems). We took no pictures. We provided bandwidth (multiple DS3s), picture and chat. Soem of the sites where http://www.twogirlsex.com www.coedsex.com, www.playgirl.come (which is NOT for women). The growth of income looked like we're reach 10 US Billion in just a few years. The Federal Trade Commission plus the Credit Card Companies cause most of the $US millions a day to be charged back. We received numerous unsolicited letters from women and men, hoping to strike it big in porn. They included resumes, references and, yes, pictures. There a million guys and girls, straight and gay, with terrific builds, all hoping to just be something to be a hamburger flipper or an office girl/buy. And it's no longer a bad thing. When I mentioned that I filed on my income tax, occupation pornographer, most people wanted to know where they sign up. I was an Oracle DBA. It was a work a day work. Yes, I had access to all dirty picures. But I've referred CNN.COM. White collar crime pays. Always has, always will - the repercussions just AREN'T that severe. And I'll bet if you ask ANY of these guys if they had the chance to do it again, even with all the penalties and prison time, they'd say Yes w/o giving it a second thought. There you have it -- TM ethics in a nutshell. Compare and contrast to, just a few days ago, Tom's response to a good-natured post about ample breasts by scienceofabundance: Mein Got! Weren't any of the guys of FFL besides me breast fed as infants? I swear I've never heard any talk like this about women's breasts in any guy's locker rooms. To quote the same person I quoted above, because we all know *she* won't say it about a fellow TM apologist: It's the hypocrisy, stupid. No one has to react to I Am The Eternal / Tom Pall by calling him names. All that is neces- sary is to repost his own words.
[FairfieldLife] 'Austistic Texas boy helped by Horses and Shamans'
(CNN) -- When 3-year-old Rowan Isaacson darted away from his father and dived into a herd of grazing horses, it easily could have been the end of the small autistic boy. He was babbling under the hooves of a boss mare.
[FairfieldLife] The point that the I am a TM TB, not a TMO TB folks keep missing
TM is not the product being sold. What TM is supposed to *produce* in the buyer is the product. The TM organization is what TM has *produced* in 30-to-40 year practitioners of TM. If that organization is based on a history of treating its own members badly, flaunting international law by money-laundering, and creating a hierarchy of people whose reality quotient is demonstrated by dressing up in robes and crowns and pretending to rule an imaginary country, THAT is the product being sold. Those who wish to divorce TM from the TMO in their minds are ignoring the evidence of 40 years of scientific experimentation on what exactly the TM technique produces. The TM technique produces the TM organization. It's as simple as that.
[FairfieldLife] Read and listen some!
http://streaming.mou.org/Archives/Vedic_Pandits_videos/NEWSLETTER/April_12_2009/ This begins at about 25 seconds: tasmaad yaj~naat sarvahutaH sambhR^itam pR^iShadaajyam | pashuun taaMsh cakre vaayavyaan aaraNyaan graamyaash ca ye tasmaad yaj~naat sarvahuta R^icaH saamaani jaj~nire | ChandaaMsi jaj~nire tasmaad yajus tasmaad ajaayata || tasmaad ashvaa ajaayanta ye ke cobhayaadataH | gaavo ha jaj~nire tasmaat tasmaaj jaataa ajaavayaH
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO... LOL. I hereby vote geezerfreak the author of the best buzzword ever to be coined by a member of Fairfield Life -- cultwhipped. Says it all, in one word.
[FairfieldLife] 'Creation of a New Economic Order?'
The Declaration of Cumaná: Capitalism 'threatens life on the planet' | April 24, 2009 We, the Heads of State and Government of Bolivia, Cuba, Dominica, Honduras, Nicaragua and Venezuela, member countries of ALBA, consider that the Draft Declaration of the 5th Summit of the Americas is insufficient and unacceptable for the following reasons: - The Declaration does not provide answers to the Global Economic Crisis, even though this crisis constitutes the greatest challenge faced by humanity in the last decades and is the most serious threat of the current times to the welfare of our peoples. - The Declaration unfairly excludes Cuba, without mentioning the consensus in the region condemning the blockade and isolation to which the people and the government of Cuba have incessantly been exposed in a criminal manner. For this reason, we, the member countries of ALBA believe that there is no consensus for the adoption of this draft declaration because of the reasons above stated, and accordingly, we propose to hold a thorough debate on the following topics: 1. Capitalism is leading humanity and the planet to extinction. What we are experiencing is a global economic crisis of a systemic and structural nature, not another cyclic crisis. Those who think that with a taxpayer money injection and some regulatory measures this crisis will end are wrong. The financial system is in crisis because it trades bonds with six times the real value of the assets and services produced and rendered in the world, this is not a “system regulation failure”, but a integrating part of the capitalist system that speculates with all assets and values with a view to obtain the maximum profit possible. Until now, the economic crisis has generated over 100 million additional hungry persons and has slashed over 50 million jobs, and these figures show an upward trend. 2. Capitalism has caused the environmental crisis, by submitting the necessary conditions for life in the planet, to the predominance of market and profit. Each year we consume one third more of what the planet is able to regenerate. With this squandering binge of the capitalist system, we are going to need two planets Earth by the year 2030. 3. The global economic crisis, climate change, the food crisis and the energy crisis are the result of the decay of capitalism, which threatens to end life and the planet. To avert this outcome, it is necessary to develop and model an alternative to the capitalist system. A system based on: - solidarity and complementarity, not competition; - a system in harmony with our mother earth and not plundering of human resources; - a system of cultural diversity and not cultural destruction and imposition of cultural values and lifestyles alien to the realities of our countries; - a system of peace based on social justice and not on imperialist policies and wars; - in summary, a system that recovers the human condition of our societies and peoples and does not reduce them to mere consumers or merchandise. 4. As a concrete expression of the new reality of the continent, we, Caribbean and Latin American countries, have commenced to build our own institutionalization, an institutionalization that is based on a common history dating back to our independence revolution and constitutes a concrete tool for deepening the social, economic and cultural transformation processes that will consolidate our full sovereignty. ALBA-TCP, Petrocaribe or UNASUR, mentioning merely the most recently created, are solidarity-based mechanisms of unity created in the midst of such transformations with the obvious intention of boosting the efforts of our peoples to attain their own freedom. To face the serious effects of the global economic crisis, we, the ALBA-TCP countries, have adopted innovative and transforming measures that seek real alternatives to the inadequate international economic order, not to boost their failed institutions. Thus, we have implemented a Regional Clearance Unitary System, the SUCRE, which includes a Common Unit of Account, a Clearance Chamber and a Single Reserve System. Similarly, we have encouraged the constitution of grand-national companies to satisfy the essential needs of our peoples and establish fair and complementary trade mechanisms that leave behind the absurd logic of unbridled competition. 5. We question the G20 for having tripled the resources of the International Monetary Fund when the real need is to establish a new world economic order that includes the full transformation of the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO, entities that have contributed to this global economic crisis with their neoliberal policies. 6. The solutions to the global economic crisis and the definition of a new international financial scheme should be adopted with the participation of the 192 countries that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
For the record, this rant has nothing to do with Shemp, merely with the person who once cried Death threat! on FFL (and who still does) trying to suggest that people should know when another poster is kidding. And that provided me an opportunity to post one of the tidbits my attorney found from another of our august FFL members. Neither has anything to do with Shemp. As far as I know, Shemp has never run an Internet porn site for the Gambino crime family. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If my attempt at humour with John Manning backfired because he is void of any sense of humour, I am truly sorry for hurting his feelings. But if the rather lame and silly things I said about him are the standard upon which to label one as insane and meanspirited then gosh, Barry, what does that make you in light of all the horrible things you write ON A DAILY FUCKING BASIS about Judy (to take just one of the targets of your hate)? I was thinking the same thing. You expected everyone to realize you were kidding; Barry intends for his lies to be believed. Which is why, incidentally, he didn't realize you were kidding. This from the person who characterized my suggestion that she was going to get so angry that she would spontaneously burst into flame a death threat. And who claims this to this day. As someone would say, guffaw :-) Tom Indeed my TM/TMSP practice is becoming sweeter and sweeter. Pall has *acted out* on his revenge fantasies several times in the past. In a post last night, he still says that he's *proud* of having posted porn on FFL in an attempt to get it taken down and still hopes that that happens. He has claimed here falsely that I sent him kiddie porn in email; that is a claim that in America sics Internet cops whose job it is to scan the Net for such perps on your ass. Check out the quote lower in this post if you want to *really* guffaw at the irony of this claim coming from Tom Pall. This is an example of the things my attorney now has in a file in case Tom ever feels like acting out again. Me, I've just suggested that in my opinion the view of self that a few folks here have of themselves is not the *only* view, and that the Big Picture description of them might just include a little more psychosis and a lot less importance in the grand scheme of things. Tom Pall writes on alt.tv.pol-incorrect: I spent 4 hears with multiple on-line companies, notably a company called Lexitans, in Leawood, KS, USA (It has since changed names to Cyber Data Processing, though the 900 number company retains its name Overland Data Systems). We took no pictures. We provided bandwidth (multiple DS3s), picture and chat. Soem of the sites where http://www.twogirlsex.com www.coedsex.com, www.playgirl.come (which is NOT for women). The growth of income looked like we're reach 10 US Billion in just a few years. The Federal Trade Commission plus the Credit Card Companies cause most of the $US millions a day to be charged back. We received numerous unsolicited letters from women and men, hoping to strike it big in porn. They included resumes, references and, yes, pictures. There a million guys and girls, straight and gay, with terrific builds, all hoping to just be something to be a hamburger flipper or an office girl/buy. And it's no longer a bad thing. When I mentioned that I filed on my income tax, occupation pornographer, most people wanted to know where they sign up. I was an Oracle DBA. It was a work a day work. Yes, I had access to all dirty picures. But I've referred CNN.COM. White collar crime pays. Always has, always will - the repercussions just AREN'T that severe. And I'll bet if you ask ANY of these guys if they had the chance to do it again, even with all the penalties and prison time, they'd say Yes w/o giving it a second thought. There you have it -- TM ethics in a nutshell. Compare and contrast to, just a few days ago, Tom's response to a good-natured post about ample breasts by scienceofabundance: Mein Got! Weren't any of the guys of FFL besides me breast fed as infants? I swear I've never heard any talk like this about women's breasts in any guy's locker rooms. To quote the same person I quoted above, because we all know *she* won't say it about a fellow TM apologist: It's the hypocrisy, stupid. No one has to react to I Am The Eternal / Tom Pall by calling him names. All that is neces- sary is to repost his own words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Not true. I wore saris because I was in India. I never heard that Maharishi told anyone they HAD to wear a sari. The fact is, my western clothes were totally out of place. Compared to saris they were ugly as hell. I gladly traded my dark, monochromatic suit jackets, skits, blouses and heels for the amazing Technicolor designs of silk saris. I felt quite feminine in them, despite occasionally getting tangle foot. I thought it was really cool that a neat little stack of six saris, an entire wardrobe, took up only one small corner of my suitcase while my very bulky western clothes dominated the rest of the space. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. No one slogged through mud and blood and we ate quite well, Indian food of course. We were in India at a very crucial time in history. Fifty Americans held captive in Iran. The era of détente ended. Soviet troops had invaded Afghanistan; their military forces were within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean, close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway for most of the world's oil. When Carter made his state of the Union address, January 23, 1980 he said: The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil We've increased and strengthened our naval presence in the Indian ocean, and we are now making arrangements for key naval and air facilities to be used by our forces in the region of northeast Africa and the Persian Gulf. The Carter Doctrine: http://www.answers.com/topic/carter-doctrine As you may recall, Maharishi was extremely concerned about the news of American ships blockading the Soviets in the Indian Ocean. Then one day, for no apparent reason, he never said exactly why, Maharishi had us reforming teams, make plans for travel visas, look at maps of India and plan how our teams would travel around the Indian coastline, teaching TM, I guess. So for a few days everyone went into hyper drive thinking about how they were going to get their travel arrangements organized on such short notice. Then nothing. Maharishi just dropped it. I felt like someone had just dumped me out of bed in the middle of a nice nap, just for the hell of it. A few days later, we got news the American ships had withdrawn the blockade. No one ever made a direct statement that we might had had anything to do with it. But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. I didn't surrender to Maharishi's control. I willingly embraced the experience of being with him. No one forced me to do anything. I was there because I loved him and felt I was doing what little I could for a noble purpose, world peace. Uh-huh. You have the unmitigated hubris to believe that your attention to maps of India and thoughts of India's coastline caused American military ships to withdraw at the time. The Maharishi Effect' in action right Raunch? See Curtis, this is why I don't attempt much in the way of dialog with folks like this. I may as well be talking to my pet gold fish. At the same time, I
[FairfieldLife] 'Living the Ah-Ha! Moment'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUTpUXHgvJYNR=1
[FairfieldLife] A study in How we see ourselves compared to How others see us
The watercolor in the link below sold at auction this week for $14,600. Self Portrait http://tinyurl.com/c58vbg http://tinyurl.com/c58vbg The sale price at auction is surprising in that it is supposedly a self-portrait by a *failed* artist, one whose attempts to enter art school were rejected twice. He later went on to become known for other things. Full Article http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jZo0G3KorvadCd83xwbsj\ AeRRuCgD97OD1O00 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jZo0G3KorvadCd83xwbsjA\ eRRuCgD97OD1O00 Isn't it interesting how people can see themselves completely differently than the people around them see them? I can imagine that if the man who painted this idealized view of himself sitting peace- fully on a bridge encountered someone who suggested that it wasn't the Big Picture, and that there might be *other* sides to his personality, he might have reacted angrily. He might even have suggested that the person saying this was lying, even though he or she would have been merely expressing their opinion. Something to remember next time someone here on Fairfield Life claims that present- ing a view of them that differs from the one they have of themselves is lying. No one paints *accurate* self portraits. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS A LIE.
[FairfieldLife] 'Devo/Whip It!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWwfeature=related Crack that whip Give the past a slip Step on a crack Break your momma's back When a problem comes along You must whip it Before the cream sets out too long You must whip it When something's goin' wrong You must whip it Now whip it Into shape Shape it up Get straight Go forward Move ahead Try to detect it It's not too late To whip it Whip it good When a good time turns around You must whip it You will never live it down Unless you whip it No one gets away Until they whip it I say whip it Whip it good I say whip it Whip it good Crack that whip Give the past a slip Step on a crack Break your momma's back When a problem comes along You must whip it Before the cream sets out too long You must whip it When something's goin' wrong You must whip it Now whip it Into shape Shape it up Get straight Go forward Move ahead Try to detect it It's not too late To whip it Into shape Shape it up Get straight Go forward Move ahead Try to detect it It's not too late To whip it Well, whip it good! Copywrite: Virgin Records (1980)
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
(snip) But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. (snip) This is an interesting view of what putting your attention on something, when you are in a clear and peaceful state of consciousness... Something happens, a shift of energy The mystery of shifting the energy, from chaos to some kind of order. I would suggest now, that we can do the same thing, in a more self-directed way, since we know how to do it. There is danger in Pakastan, now, for India and for America, for the world. So, even a bit of attention on that area again, would be helpful, as we are gaining the ability to understand the way Maharishi worked, much of it by just innocently putting our nurturing and loving attention on an area, where there is a vacumn of nurturing and loving Energy. Just the intention to shift the energy. In a tiniest quantum way, the wind blows, the clouds form, the lightning comes, and the disturbing influences are cleared... It's part of the magical mystery tour, we are spinning on, called: Life on Planet Earth, circa 2009. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great site
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A great site One of the best anti catastrophic man-made global warming sites I've come across: http://www.climatedepot.com/ Here's another one for you Shemp: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm More of those pesky flat-earthers Shemp - the Polish Academy of Sciences (whadda they know, eh?) http://tinyurl.com/c6x2kb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought for the Day
He was responding to a question , he was being less doctrinaire about this than David Lynch(the new Maharishi) is now. Not that there is anything wrong with that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: 30 or 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained, and many of them have gone on their own, and they may not call it Maharishi's TM, but they are teaching it in some different name here and there... doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Press Conference, May 14, 2003.
[FairfieldLife] Queenie In Trouble -- a film that captures FFL the way some see it
The plot is this. A bunch of low-lives from FFL are sitting around drinking and playing cards and doing those other low-life things that Off The Program types do. One of the low-lives gets fresh with Queenie, an innocent young girl obviously in the wrong place at the wrong time, and she runs off to the Ladies Room to freshen up and get away. But to no avail. One of the low-life predators (whether Curtis or Turq is not clear) follows the innocent young thing into the Ladies Room, locks the door, and attempts to have his way with her. Psychically attuning himself to her plight from the other room, Edg (who has been forced to be in this low-vibe company by business associates) leaps up, breaks the door down, trounces the predator, and saves Queenie and preserves her virtue. And it's all acted out by dogs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II1BkpX03-M
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Not true. I wore saris because I was in India. I never heard that Maharishi told anyone they HAD to wear a sari. The fact is, my western clothes were totally out of place. Compared to saris they were ugly as hell. I gladly traded my dark, monochromatic suit jackets, skits, blouses and heels for the amazing Technicolor designs of silk saris. I felt quite feminine in them, despite occasionally getting tangle foot. I thought it was really cool that a neat little stack of six saris, an entire wardrobe, took up only one small corner of my suitcase while my very bulky western clothes dominated the rest of the space. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. No one slogged through mud and blood and we ate quite well, Indian food of course. We were in India at a very crucial time in history. Fifty Americans held captive in Iran. The era of détente ended. Soviet troops had invaded Afghanistan; their military forces were within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean, close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway for most of the world's oil. When Carter made his state of the Union address, January 23, 1980 he said: The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil We've increased and strengthened our naval presence in the Indian ocean, and we are now making arrangements for key naval and air facilities to be used by our forces in the region of northeast Africa and the Persian Gulf. The Carter Doctrine: http://www.answers.com/topic/carter-doctrine As you may recall, Maharishi was extremely concerned about the news of American ships blockading the Soviets in the Indian Ocean. Then one day, for no apparent reason, he never said exactly why, Maharishi had us reforming teams, make plans for travel visas, look at maps of India and plan how our teams would travel around the Indian coastline, teaching TM, I guess. So for a few days everyone went into hyper drive thinking about how they were going to get their travel arrangements organized on such short notice. Then nothing. Maharishi just dropped it. I felt like someone had just dumped me out of bed in the middle of a nice nap, just for the hell of it. A few days later, we got news the American ships had withdrawn the blockade. No one ever made a direct statement that we might had had anything to do with it. But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. I didn't surrender to Maharishi's control. I willingly embraced the experience of being with him. No one forced me to do anything. I was there because I loved him and felt I was doing what little I could for a noble purpose, world peace. Uh-huh. You have the unmitigated hubris to believe that your attention to maps of India and thoughts of India's coastline caused American military ships to withdraw at the time. The Maharishi Effect' in action right Raunch? See Curtis, this is why I don't attempt much in the way of dialog with folks like this. I may as well be talking to my pet gold fish. At the same time, I do
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:43 PM, raunchydog wrote: Rather, it is a product of Maharishi's good sense and planning, interleaved and inseparable from his unique culture. OK. Now I can completely stop taking you seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 25, 2009, at 12:23 AM, raunchydog wrote: Not by me. Nothing wrong with wanting to save the world. Agreed. Somebody has to do it. Maharishi's World Peace Plan inspired me to become a teacher. It still inspires me. How could anyone not be inspired by the hope of a better day, a kinder world, and a more fulfilling life for everyone? Cynics laugh at idealism. I don't. No cynics laugh at people who make such claims while laughing all the way to the bank, while students doing the techniques have very serious nervous breakdowns, episodes of dangerous and bizarre behavior, suicidal and homicidal ideation, threats and attempts, psychotic episodes, crime, depression and manic behavior, tax fraud and money laundering goes on, people got horrible diseases and maladies on the India courses from living in terrible insanitary conditions, he has sex with his students--just to mention a few of the types of things Mr. World Peace was really doing. Yeah, he did SUCH a great job. I'd say you need deprogrammed REAL bad is what I'd say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Just the intention to shift the energy. In a tiniest quantum way, the wind blows, the clouds form, the lightning comes, and the disturbing influences are cleared... You've been listening to too much John Hagelin who has a similar effect on people's thought processes to ingesting too much LSD. Just by saying the word quantum everyone's critical abilities are zapped and they start experiencing wild cognitive hallucinations. Any nonsense idea can be made to appear plausible just by using the word quantum somewhere in the explanation. At least with LSD it wears off in a few hours. Your statement expresses completely incorrect thinking and it doesn't become correct by being dressed up in quasi-sciency sounding words. What's the mechanism? Can each step in the mechanism be demonstrated? How exactly does in the tiniest quantum way alter the weather? Can anyone demonstrate any ability to alter quantum probabilities by power of thought? If the probabilities are altered then how much effect can that have on billions of tons of air and water moving about? None of these things are explained, it's just feelgood happy mush suitable for the cognitively challenged.
[FairfieldLife] 'Gravity, Akasha, Electic and Magnetic Fields'
Part of the reason for the ME, is the grounding and intensification, Of the field of our own magnetic quality...aura light, magnetic/light field. Your aura expands, the energy of it, combines with the energy of the earth. One major part of the energy of the earth, that we usually don't think about. As we are primarily aware of gravity, and the heaviness of the body. The other fields, of us, and of the earth, are magnetic and electrical. The magnetic fields, of the earth, effect the weather, and they interact with our bodies... Which are mostly water, and an aura, or Electra/Magnetic field. Thunder and Lightning, Indra and Shiva... Rain, no rain, drought, fire and oceans reflect the earth's personality... Levitation, sends these jolts of energy...Maharishi liked himself... He liked to shake things up. Like lightning, in a way, electric...static bolts of energy. balance energy, balancing the earth. Feeling the water, the lake, corny fields...and clouds, above. Shift the energy, by attuning to where you are. Feel where you are. Feel it completely. Magnetic Earth's Field... Circular back and forth. Ellipses back and forth. We work with gravity, with levitation. While the field effect, has more to do with attuning to the earth's magnetic and electrical personality traits... Gravity feels heavy, and magnets are magical. You are just one big field of magnetic light. The brighter and more aware thou becomes, Is where the connecting link is made. So, there ya Go! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Remember what Maharishi said about how to 'Destroy your Enemy?' 'Make Him/Her your friend'. 'Unity is Invincibility'...Separateness is always vulnerable... That's the theory, but we can see that the practice is different. In theory the TMO should be making friends with its detractors, but in practice it comes after them with lawsuits to stop them revealing things which are embarrassing but true. Ignore what people say, watch carefully what they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Texans! If you want to secede . . .
Hey John!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global Warming Hoax
How about ARCHAEOPTERYXES who are painfully aware that dramatic sudden change can happen but, being extinct, are unable to form useful lobby groups... Judy wrote: LOL! Slam-dunk. ...Emanuel has completely recanted his position and now admits that hurricanes and storms will actually decline over the next 200 years and have little or no correlation with global temperature change whatsoever. 'Central Plank Of Global Warming Alarmism Discredited' By Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet, Monday, April 14, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/cc9rad 'Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing' Climate Depot, Thursday, April 23, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/c2jyhw
[FairfieldLife] 'Sensitive People/Balancing/Overcoming-Conditioned Response'
I learned this, from someone, recently. ...releasing, coming back into balance. Part of the releasing process, as we go deeper is releasing dysfunctional patterns...of course. This happens, in body, emotions and the physical. Begin to be aware of the tension in the body... Because there is so much going on in the earth sphere at this time, It can feel overwhelming at times, especially for sensitive people. So, it becomes more and more necessary, to release what is stuck. Since the breath is so intimately connected with everything, emotions, physical and mental clarity, it sometimes becomes necessary to get the breath, Back to balance... Begin when you feel some tension in the body, when it comes, and exaggerate it... Really tighten the thing up, for a few seconds, or whatever... Tighten the breath, also. Then, sigh, go to the opposite extreme. Allow yourself to completely relax the body and the breath... Take a deep breath, naturally, and another... Let go and breath deeply, and allow the body to go limp. Then ease back to balance. So, when you feel tired, or when upset, notice the tightness of body and breath... Exaggerate and feel it more by tightening more... Then the opposite extreme, then back to balance... Secondly, when you feel your mind racing, try this: Get up... Try moving your body fast, walk fast, move fast... Then go to the opposite polarity: Move as slow as you can... Then, again, come back to natural movement... Many times we unconsciously react to things, like we did at an early age... So, this is a subtle way, to 'short-circuit' the old patterns, stored in breath and body... You will find this helpful, especially these days, when things are so in flux... And it becomes more necessary, to notice when we've become, Out of balance... The Thymus Gland. The thymus gland is at the top part of the breast bone, And you can just lightly tap on that slight bump there to stimulate the gland... The thymus gland has to do with balancing and resistance to disease... You should feel more balanced just tapping the thymus gland, maybe a few times a day... The other techniques of balancing can be used several times a day, when you feel like you've taken on something, and notice some tension or shallow breathing... Through movement, dance, listening to music. Anytime you feel a reflex, from a past way of functioning... You come back to your natural balance, and no longer need the superimposition, Of conditioned response... This is what enlightenment is about, no longer responding in a conditioned way... But rather in natural way, coming back to our own balance. So, this is how we can help ourselves come back into balance, With the mental, emotional and physical or ourselves... And, when we come back into balance, we have much more clarity... And of course will be less tired, make better decisions, and have more energy...when we are mentally, physically and emotionally aligned. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
Note that of Barry's six posts so far this week, five attack TMers (four attacking me specifically), and the sixth attacks Edg. (Yes, Barry, some of these were attempts at humor, but they were attacks nonetheless.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If my attempt at humour with John Manning backfired because he is void of any sense of humour, I am truly sorry for hurting his feelings. But if the rather lame and silly things I said about him are the standard upon which to label one as insane and meanspirited then gosh, Barry, what does that make you in light of all the horrible things you write ON A DAILY FUCKING BASIS about Judy (to take just one of the targets of your hate)? I was thinking the same thing. You expected everyone to realize you were kidding; Barry intends for his lies to be believed. Which is why, incidentally, he didn't realize you were kidding. This from the person who characterized my suggestion that she was going to get so angry that she would spontaneously burst into flame a death threat. And who claims this to this day. As someone would say, guffaw Anyone who said that would be either very forgetful or attempting to deceive. The issue, of course, wasn't whether Barry meant it as a joke. It was perfectly obvious he was attempting to be funny. What was so appalling was that he thought his misogynist fantasies of raunchydog's and my violent deaths (dumb cunts too stupid to live) were humorous. Notice how quickly Barry goes on to change the subject from Shemp's slam-dunk point. snip To quote the same person I quoted above, because we all know *she* won't say it about a fellow TM apologist: It's the hypocrisy, stupid. Actually, only people who don't read my posts-- or read them selectively, or recall them selectively, or are attempting to deceive--know that. I have called out fellow TMers for hypocrisy and will no doubt have reason to do so again. Notice that Barry doesn't seem to want to call out fellow Judy-hater do.rflex for his hypocrisy in his extremely unpleasant treatment of Louis, after having posted innumerable screeds bashing the TMO for being insufficiently loving.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The point that the I am a TM TB, not a TMO TB folks keep missing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: TM is not the product being sold. What TM is supposed to *produce* in the buyer is the product. The TM organization is what TM has *produced* in 30-to-40 year practitioners of TM. If that organization is based on a history of treating its own members badly, flaunting international law by money-laundering, and creating a hierarchy of people whose reality quotient is demonstrated by dressing up in robes and crowns and pretending to rule an imaginary country, THAT is the product being sold. Those who wish to divorce TM from the TMO in their minds are ignoring the evidence of 40 years of scientific experimentation on what exactly the TM technique produces. The TM technique produces the TM organization. It's as simple as that. If a technique can be said to produce types of people, I'd be a lot more concerned about one that produces a toxic, hate-filled personality like Barry's after only a few years of practice than one that produces folks who dress up in funny clothes after 40 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For the record, this rant has nothing to do with Shemp, merely with the person who once cried Death threat! on FFL (and who still does) trying to suggest that people should know when another poster is kidding. And that provided me an opportunity to post one of the tidbits my attorney found from another of our august FFL members. Neither has anything to do with Shemp. As far as I know, Shemp has never run an Internet porn site for the Gambino crime family. :-) I wonder if Barry's attorney is aware that his client is a vindictive, malicious liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great site
http://www.climatedepot.com/ 'Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing' Climate Depot, Thursday, April 23, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/c2jyhw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. Did he ever express any other desires to the women on that course? :) He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. This is so obvious to anyone who's had anything to do with the TMO in the last 30 years it seems incredible to even have to say it! One wonders in what dim-ension raunchy has been operating in if she somehow missed that. Where exactly does the whole idea of saris come from? For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility
Nobody is an enemy or a friend. If anyone is friendly then they should always be a friend, but it appears not. The one who is a friend sometimes becomes an enemy. Therefore by nature someone is neither friend nor foe. The process of friendship is a way for the effects of good karma (action) to come, and the fruits of one's own sinful actions come through one's enemies. Happiness and sorrow are really the fruit of actions. Nobody can give happiness nor sorrow. The enemy and the friend are only the conveyance of the effects of good and evil actions. That time when the fruit of our good actions arise, at that time all people are friends and are come to make us happy and when the effects of evil deeds arise then the same people become an enemies and give sorrow. In every case happiness and sorrow are together the same thing, caused and made by one's own desires. If we were to kill someone then we would be executed. The executioner is not to blame for the noose, nor is the judge who makes the sentence. Our hanging is really the effect of our own action. Therefore what is the need to assume there is any personal enmity from the judge or the hangman? The action is devoid of feeling, so the fruit of action is without partiality, it comes to the living being who is the author. In this way we get happiness which are the effects of our good actions conveyed to us and by this way suffering is conveyed to bring the fruits of our evil deeds. Happiness and sorrow then are always completely one's own stuff. On whosoever one becomes elevated, the very same we make to be the cause of happiness and sorrow. Certainly we should separate from attachment and hatred. When our own things are coming close to us then why [think] of another? Whoever causes the fruits of our good actions [to appear], he makes. There is no love from us, no malice. For this reason why have attachment or enmity? The main thing is that the happiness and sorrow are our own; so why desire that by which the fruits have become conveyed on? Therefore, without attachment or malice, peacefully and courageously one should endure the effects of one's own actions, coming in the form of happiness or unhappiness, both are one's own stuff. Be good or bad they are related to you, really yours; when they come near, welcome them properly. Shri Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] UpadeshAmrita kaNa 13 of 108 - translation by Paul Mason © 2007
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: To quote the same person I quoted above, [ for the record, JUDY STEIN ] because we all know *she* won't say it about a fellow TM apologist: It's the hypocrisy, stupid. Actually, only people who don't read my posts-- or read them selectively, or recall them selectively, or are attempting to deceive--know that. I have called out fellow TMers for hypocrisy and will no doubt have reason to do so again. Just not now, and not this particular TM apologist. :-) Note that she *still* has not said a word about Tom's hypocrisy on this forum. How many here think that speaks rather loudly about her own? Notice that Barry doesn't seem to want to call out fellow Judy-hater do.rflex for his hypocrisy in his extremely unpleasant treatment of Louis, after having posted innumerable screeds bashing the TMO for being insufficiently loving. I assume that it's only a coincidence that the person Judy wants me to call out is a person who stopped believing *her* act some time ago, and has caught on to what she really is. :-) For the record, however, I think that John set the record straight factually about Louis' claims *and* his motivations. He was easier on him than I would have been had I considered him worth replying to. The guy's running a con game IMO. And Judy thinks so, too. She's using Louis as an excuse to attack John, just as she was using Tom / I Am The Eternal as an excuse to attack me. Just for the record, how many suspect that using them both to attack me is a diversion to draw attention away from the fact that she can't think up an answer to post #216735 ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/216735
Re: [FairfieldLife] The point that the I am a TM TB, not a TMO TB folks keep missing
On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: The TM technique produces the TM organization. It's as simple as that. Exactamundo. Which is why I asked flex how he could separate the two--I can't, and I don't believe it's possible, not without turning logic --or whatever's left of it--on its head. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] A study in How we see ourselves compared to How others see us
On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Self Portrait http://tinyurl.com/c58vbg The sale price at auction is surprising in that it is supposedly a self-portrait by a *failed* artist, one whose attempts to enter art school were rejected twice. He later went on to become known for other things. Even w/out reading the article, I'll bet it's Hitler. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:58 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Just the intention to shift the energy. In a tiniest quantum way, the wind blows, the clouds form, the lightning comes, and the disturbing influences are cleared... You've been listening to too much John Hagelin who has a similar effect on people's thought processes to ingesting too much LSD. Just by saying the word quantum everyone's critical abilities are zapped and they start experiencing wild cognitive hallucinations. My thought processes must not have gotten the memo-- all I experience is boredom, intense boredom. Any nonsense idea can be made to appear plausible just by using the word quantum somewhere in the explanation. At least with LSD it wears off in a few hours. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Curtis wrote: I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. Have you ever wondered why you're so easy to control, Curtis? I've never heard of anyone being under the absolute control of another. I wonder how much control you have over your life now - maybe you're still under the Marshy's control - that would really be strange. I've discovered that people seldom really change, so I'm just wondering how you made the change from being totally controlled to be totally in control of your life. You still can't seem to resist responding to the Marshy-talk. Why haven't you moved on after all these years? Just askin'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Sal Sunshine wrote: This is so obvious to anyone who's had anything to do with the TMO in the last 30 years... So, Sal, how much have you had to do with the TMO in the last 30 years? Are you still living in the trailer-house in Fairfield? Have you ever been out of Jefferson County? Just askin'.
[FairfieldLife] 'Mirror, mirror on the wall,...'
This is called the mirror technique of Ancient Egypt... One of the Archetypes in their literature, was Hath or, Who was he daughter of Osiris. She was beautiful of course, And had a nice mirror, to boot! So, the way it's done, is like this: You get settled down, in stillness... And when your energy is in that innocent place...of lightness... Begin to feel, that your energy, of light, forms a mirror, To mirror the energy of what you wish to reflect, on. In the political arena right now, there's all this stuff, Coming out about the torture, and how the ones at the top... Are really starting to feel the pressure and squirm. The media, is feeding, all this like a frenzy, and attempting to make it into... A Republican Vs. Democrats issue... And sucking up to the Cheney/Bush administration... So, I would suggest, in order to speed things up... And help to relieve our 'bad collective karma'... Use a mirror to reflect back onto themselves, The energy of Cheney...the attorneys, and all the rest... Bush seems to be staying out of the limelight... But Cheney is easier to focus on, at this time. Just do it for a few minutes, for a good cause... To speed up this purging process, 'For the highest good of all' Now, don't do it in any sort of vindictive way... Just a pure reflection, so he can see himself...that's all, really... That's how we turned the energy around with Sarah Palin, BTW. We used the mirror, to reflect back onto herself, her own energy... And then she became naked, in persona and the SNL thing, was genius... Just we do, just enough for Cheney, especially, to just become aware, Of his total oblivion to any kind of compassion... And how he is so ruled by fear and intimidation. His heart is on a pace/maker, so... If he only had a heart? I imagine, the same could be done with this dude in Iran... Although, he is even more dark than Cheney... But, the dudes in Iran, and the dudes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc... That's where the help is really needed, so.. So, this whole purging of the torture thing, and how he tortured our whole culture... Is big time energy shifting, right before our eyes and ears, so... This would be a good idea, at this time, yes? JGD
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: To quote the same person I quoted above, [ for the record, JUDY STEIN ] because we all know *she* won't say it about a fellow TM apologist: It's the hypocrisy, stupid. Actually, only people who don't read my posts-- or read them selectively, or recall them selectively, or are attempting to deceive--know that. I have called out fellow TMers for hypocrisy and will no doubt have reason to do so again. Just not now, and not this particular TM apologist. :-) Note that she *still* has not said a word about Tom's hypocrisy on this forum. How many here think that speaks rather loudly about her own? On the basis of *your* accusations? You have to be joking. Notice that Barry doesn't seem to want to call out fellow Judy-hater do.rflex for his hypocrisy in his extremely unpleasant treatment of Louis, after having posted innumerable screeds bashing the TMO for being insufficiently loving. I assume that it's only a coincidence that the person Judy wants me to call out is a person who stopped believing *her* act some time ago, and has caught on to what she really is. :-) I guess Barry conveniently missed the phrase fellow Judy-hater in what I wrote. That was kind of the point, you see. For the record, however, I think that John set the record straight factually about Louis' claims *and* his motivations. He was easier on him than I would have been had I considered him worth replying to. The guy's running a con game IMO. And Judy thinks so, too. I don't know whether he's running a con game. I rather suspect not, given his past posts here and how he responded to do.rflex. snip Just for the record, how many suspect that using them both to attack me is a diversion to draw attention away from the fact that she can't think up an answer to post #216735 ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/216735 Keep reading, pal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Rather, it is a product of Maharishi's good sense and planning, interleaved and inseparable from his unique culture. OK. Now I can completely stop taking you seriously. Well, certainly the Marshy can't compare to all your great accomplishments in life, Vaj. So, seriously, what have you ever done to make the world a better place? I know you've been pushing sects and various religions for years, but what, exactly, have you been able to accomplish with all your years of cult activity? Just askin'.
[FairfieldLife] Investigate the U.S. Torture Program - Urge Congress and President Obama to Act
Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 9:15 AM Amnesty International USA Last week, the Obama administration releasedmemos that outlined the former administration's case for waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques. More reports about the U.S. torture program have come out this week. Please join our friends at Amnesty International USA in calling for a full and independent investigation into the U.S. torture program » Momentum for an independent investigation is snowballing. Send a letter to President Obama and Congress telling them that any investigation must be backed by the full force of law and adequate funding. Dear Robert, Just as the volume of calls for investigations into the U.S. torture program reached deafening levels this week, another classified report came out Tuesday that revealed new details about the military's role in torturing detainees. This latest report by the Senate Armed Services Committee exposes the few bad apples argument as a complete farce.1 While the Bush Administration was publicly saying the horrors of Abu Ghraib were just aberrations, this report clearly shows that in fact, torture was sanctioned and even encouraged in military detention centers. Thanks to countless actions by concerned citizens like you, the momentum for investigations is snowballing. Last Friday President Obama said this was a time for reflection, not retribution; less than a week later, national newspapers are reporting the President is now open to an investigation.2 But what kind of investigation? There's a growing risk that we may get an investigation that lacks independence, legal authority, and the adequate funding necessary to tell the full truth about the illegal, U.S. torture program. What we need is a non-partisan independent commission, free from political influences, that has subpoena power and enough money to track down every lead.3 Tell President Obama and Congress that any investigation must be independent, backed by the full force of law, and have enough funding to uncover the full truth behind the U.S. torture program. Even with the release of this classified report, we still only know a portion of the truth. And it's only by exposing the full truth of what was done in our names, that we can once and for all move forward and restore our nation's credibility. Let's make sure whatever investigation moves forward, it's backed by the authority and support it needs to be effective. Please send your letter now to President Obama and Congress urging for an independent investigation backed by the full force of law and adequate funding. In just one week, we've gone from seeing an investigation as a long shot, to talking about what kind of investigation we need. We're getting closer to seeing our government actually do the right thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
Judy wrote: Note that of Barry's six posts so far this week, five attack TMers (four attacking me specifically), and the sixth attacks Edg. Yes, I've noted that Barry seems to be obsessed with posting from bars and brothels, and sometimes cheap patio cafes. But I wonder why Barry is so obsessed with you? I mean, he's already got his dog to talk to and his many younger girlfriends to mess with. Barry was much more interesting to read when he was out shopping at flea markets in France. I'm not convinced that Barry made a good move when he relocated to that poor village down in Spain. I mean, don't they have a better quality of Red Light District up in Paris? Just askin'.
[FairfieldLife] Japanese were Executed for Waterboarding American troops
A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as water cure, water torture and waterboarding, according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning. [NOTE BELOW: The Japanese used the same justification as the Cheney/Bush administration.] R. John Pritchard, a historian and lawyer who is a top scholar on the trials, said the Japanese felt the ends justified the means. The rapid and effective collection of intelligence then, as now, was seen as vital to a successful struggle, and in addition, those who were engaged in torture often felt that whatever pain and anguish was suffered by the victims of torture was nothing less than the just deserts of the victims or people close to them, he said. In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. ~~PolitiFact: http://snipurl.com/gp008
[FairfieldLife] 'Ticket to Ride~(The Bliss Boys)~The Beatles'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A study in How we see ourselves compared to How others see us
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip I can imagine that if the man who painted this idealized view of himself sitting peace- fully on a bridge encountered someone who suggested that it wasn't the Big Picture, and that there might be *other* sides to his personality, he might have reacted angrily. He might even have suggested that the person saying this was lying, even though he or she would have been merely expressing their opinion. Something to remember next time someone here on Fairfield Life claims that present- ing a view of them that differs from the one they have of themselves is lying. No one paints *accurate* self portraits. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS A LIE. And to prove his point, Barry has just painted a lying self-portrait of himself. It's not just inaccurate, it's a lie, because he *knows* it's inaccurate. At the same time, he paints a lying portrait of me. He knows I don't accuse him of lying when he merely expresses his opinion of me. I accuse him of lying when he says something about me that he knows is factually incorrect. Such as, for instance, claiming that I call him a liar because I disagree with his opinion of me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Not true. I wore saris because I was in India. I never heard that Maharishi told anyone they HAD to wear a sari. I said expressed a desire which is all it took from him. I was just objecting to the idea that he wasn't behind the whole woman's sari business. He actually started it with women on World Government years before. It was the outfit of movement royalty for years and when the rest of the teacher got a chance to wear them in India they jumped at the chance. I left a month before the guys were allowed to wear dhotis but the guys ended up in Indian garb as well. IMO the sari only looks good on Western women who can walk like an Asian woman. When Western women put their heads down and charge ahead like they are late for a board meeting they look ridiculous in any version of Asian clothes. As an example of the difference, when I dated a woman from Russia I could pick her out in a crowd at the mall by how she walked. Like Indian women she short of shimmered like Jeeves in the Woodhouse novels. And I was not making a criticism of how cool it was to wear a sari. Of course it was. What a great chance to experiment with another culture, which was one of my favorite things about my past movement experience. But anything any of us wore there was directed by Maharishi. (Guys arrived in dusty hot Delhi in suits and ties for God's sake!) And not because we HAD to. But because every word out of the guy's mouth was passed on as the best idea in the world and we jumped at a chance to do what the MASTER DESIRED. snip Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. Again, I was not making a point about coercion. I loved my movement involvement too. No one slogged through mud and blood and we ate quite well, Indian food of course. Actually...I ended up in NOIDA so I did slog though the mud and we were not eating quite well, we were drinking water that had been put through water filters washed in the Indian Express toilets (eye witness) the toilets of NOIDA were built ABOVE the water pump so we bathed is sewage, the tanks for heating up our water never boiled they only increased the microbe content by making it warmer and I was not the only one to get as sick as a dog. The course was a disaster from a public health standpoint and our wellfare was dealt with in a slipshod manor. And I loved being there. It is one of my most cherished life experiences. (I do wish I had seem more of the country.) Snip But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. This represents the magical claims section. And I don't need to dog you out for holding them. But I find it interesting that this belief that our attention solving world problems is sort of an unofficial movement teaching that goes contrary to the Maharishi effect claims. The claim is based not on some arbitrarily chosen number (The square root of 1%!) but on a smaller number of people putting your attention on a map. If it were true, then all the movement is totally slacking in their role as powerful attention givers. The domes should be lined with maps and your rest period should be spent not on imagining what color pashmina shawl you want to buy (this what the dudes do during rest) but staring at maps and making the world a better place. But this technique is not used. As a student of belief systems I find this unofficial belief,which was very common in the movement, curious. Remember the story of how Maharishi walked between India and China during their problems that Jerry or Charlie used to tell? It was another version of this claim that his walking prevented more trouble and I believe it was linked to his beard going gray. In your version we all got to be super heroes who could use
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Post of the month, maybe of the year. Comment below. Thanks. You are probably the only one arising from the rabble of FFLife who thinks so. But I'll take the compliment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: TM cannot exist without the TMO. Warts and all, it is the only organization capable of teaching TM so that it remains TM, a simple mental technique, rather than some watered down version that loses its effectiveness. Maharishi's great gift to the world was a systematic way to allow the mind to transcend. IMO the foundation of Maharishi's worldwide TMO is secure enough to endure leadership foibles and growing pains just as it always has. It will always have detractors, saints, dummies and TM teachers off the reservation who will teach, who knows what. Regardless, the TMO is the only reliable glue that can hold the teaching of TM together in perpetuity or at least for a very long time. snip The argument can certainly be made that the TMO shouldn't be a crusading, messianic organization, but that's how its founder saw it from the very beginning, and there isn't really anything that can be done about it now; it isn't going to change in that regard. I don't believe Maharishi thought of the TMO as a crusading, messianic organization. Certainly, these are loaded words meant to malign. But, no. In the early days, it was more like, he had a bunch of unkempt hippies on TTC who needed direction, structure, discipline and routine, if he hoped to hone their ability to teach with any requisite precision. Undoubtedly, discipline and routine will evoke rigidity and extremism in extremist personalities, (usually Fascists or Communists) but so what. Organizations must remain organized or disband. Did you ever spend a lot of time around Maharishi, Raunch? I'm not asking whether you were in the audience at TTC (come to think of it, were you ever trained as a teacher?) or an SCI course or something.but did you ever work closely with MMY? I was always amused when I would get back in the states and hear meditators complaining about TMO weirdness. It was always if Maharishi only
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aversion and Attachement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Grate Swan, I'll reply to your post. Several others have elbowed me, er, it was me wasn't it? -- for having some sort of high-hatting snobby attitude about strip club dancers. And your post seems to meta-talk about the kind of folks into which my detractors would group me, so maybe you and I can have an actual discussion about this set of issues without getting personal as Turq did. Whenever I left a bar or strip club, believe me, no one inside them thought I was high hatting. I look into a person's eyes, and they usually look back and see my heart there. I look at almost all people as being victims of the world's marauders, and a girl in a strip club is almost always someone who has been in some deep psychological straits. That appears to be based on your speculation and perhaps intuition. Which may over time have been found to be good truth baromoters for yourself. However, there is no reason for me to gauge truth by such. I can think of a number of reasons why the truth may be opposite of what you propose. First, it takes some bit of self-confidence, and non-attachment to get naked in front of strangers. Though most strip clubs appear to be merely topless not fully nude. I imagine (which is only that) there may be a well cultured sense of I am not the body developed amongst dancers. And not being much affected by others opinions. Far more healthy traits than many long term meditators display. No mother, no father ever says to their newborn infant, When you grow up, I hope you'll be a stripper, because you'll meet all kinds of wonderful people, be a dancing artist, and make a ton of tip money that's in cash, so no taxes! Is that a valid critera of whether a job is useful at a particular stage in ones life? First, dancing is not a career, its a thing done in ones 20's (early 30's at tops). How many parents are boastfully proud of the jobs their kids do in their 20's? And yur words imply that things not boasted by parents are unworthy. Are construction workers, taxi cab drivers, hotel staffs, day care workers, night watchmen, assistant teachers, clerical workers, car salesmen, all unworthy -- even despicable -- jobs - just because most kids parents don't dream of them doing such? Yeah, parents everywhere see that as one fucking great career. um BFD. When I see the downtrodden cramped in the corners that life has painted them into, You are talking about homeless shelters and panhandlers right? I hope you are not talking about stylish girls driving Beamers and living in nice condos they own. Which is the lifestyle many dancers can easily afford -- though I believe many are more modest and prudent -- save, save , saving their for their chosen next step in life. usually it's compassion that instantly spring up in my heart and mind. Compassion is always good. Pity and feelings of superiority are not. I hope you are totally in the compassion camp. I see myself completely in their shoes. I don't think I've ever refused to toss some coin to street folks with outstretched hands. And this means you are a good tipper in strip clubs? Or, I pray you are not, are you equating dancers with street folks begging in the streets? Who need your pity and alms, and who need saving -- by a gallant white knight? My heart simply breaks, and I know that if I'd been raised as they, HUGE presumption on your part -- and says a lot about you, not dancers. and if I had had their exact choices, I'd be hardly expected to have chosen anything else but what they'd chosen. Then I guess you would be rational and focused, with eyes on the prize. By choosing to work ones own hours, and make far more than most jobs, including lawyers and MBAs their age, not to work 8-5, allowing them to, in many cases, be with their kids way more, go to school and/or save for the business they want to start, yes, I think many have made rational and good choices. Did you make as wise as these choices when you were in your mid-20's. I am only a few smacks upside my head away from being a homeless guy sipping out of a bag on a park bench and hating life forever -- but who isn't? That's a shame -- perhaps you made some poor life choices -- but what does that have to do with most dancers? IF you are equating them with being homeless drunks, you are off in some strange white knight savior complexed world of your one making. Tell me of someone's life, and I'll imagine up a few things that could happen to them such that they'd be beaten into a permanent depression. Having a cop taser their kid to death might do it for most parents, ya see? I think all folks have a sort of bottom-line sense of entitlement, and when that rule is broken, they are swamped with righteousness or depression -- I assume you are voicing your own experience not projecting such onto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aversion and Attachement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Grate Swan, I'll reply to your post. Several others have elbowed me, er, it was me wasn't it? -- for having some sort of high-hatting snobby attitude about strip club dancers. And your post seems to meta-talk about the kind of folks into which my detractors would group me, so maybe you and I can have an actual discussion about this set of issues without getting personal as Turq did. Whenever I left a bar or strip club, believe me, no one inside them thought I was high hatting. I look into a person's eyes, and they usually look back and see my heart there. I look at almost all people as being victims of the world's marauders, and a girl in a strip club is almost always someone who has been in some deep psychological straits. That appears to be based on your speculation and perhaps intuition. Which may over time have been found to be good truth baromoters for yourself. However, there is no reason for me to gauge truth by such. I can think of a number of reasons why the truth may be opposite of what you propose. First, it takes some bit of self-confidence, and non- attachment to get naked in front of strangers. Though most strip clubs appear to be merely topless not fully nude. I imagine (which is only that) there may be a well cultured sense of I am not the body developed amongst dancers. And not being much affected by others opinions. Far more healthy traits than many long term meditators display. More likely I am ONLY my body I'd have thought?
[FairfieldLife] Unemployment in Spain Hits 17.4% -- Thats Depression Levels that spurred Facsism
This and an article I posed last week indicate that Spain is leading Europe in a nose-diving economy. Unemployment above 20% led to massive social upheavals and totalitarian regimes in the past. And now from our News-FFL reporter, live from Spain: Turq, do you see signs and effects of the high unemployment and generally diving economy from your perch in Spain? April 25, 2009 Unemployment in Spain Hits 17.4% By VICTORIA BURNETT MADRID The number of unemployed people in Spain rose to a record four million in the first quarter as the economy continued to shed jobs created over the last decade by inexpensive credit and a real estate bubble. The Spanish unemployment rate climbed to 17.4 percent, from 13.9 percent in the final quarter of 2008, or more than twice the European Union average, the National Statistics Institute said Friday. The 802,800 increase in the ranks of the jobless was the largest quarterly increase in more than 30 years. These figures are bad and worse than expected, the finance minister, Elena Salgado, said. The sharp quarterly increase was a sign of how severe and how deep the crisis is, she said. Spain's grim employment news came as Britain's national statistics office on Friday reported a 1.9 percent drop in gross domestic product in the first quarter from a year earlier, the largest quarterly decline in output recorded since 1979. It was the third successive quarter of economic contraction in the British economy and cast doubt on projections last week by Alistair Darling, the British chancellor of the Exchequer, that the economy would start to recover by 2010 after shrinking 3.5 percent this year. These figures make his forecasts very difficult to achieve, said James Knightley, a senior economist for ING in London. He said he expected the British economy to shrink 4 to 4.5 percent this year and predicted that Britain's broad-based decline, with a steep 6.2 percent drop in manufacturing, would be reflected across Europe and the United States. Amid the gloom from Britain and Spain, data from Germany offered a bright spot Friday, suggesting that confidence in the economy might be turning the corner. The Ifo Institute in Munich said corporate sentiment rose in April to its highest level in five months. The business climate index, based on a poll of around 7,000 companies, rose to 83.7, from 82.2 in March, according to Reuters. Meanwhile, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France announced a plan to spend more than 1 billion euros ($1.32 billion), on youth job initiatives in a move to counter a potentially explosive rise in unemployment among people under 25, Reuters reported on Friday. In Spain, Ms. Salgado said she expected unemployment to rise more slowly in the coming months as government employment programs took effect. The government has announced stimulus measures of about 71 billion euros this year in an effort to replace jobs lost in construction and help businesses get credit. But economic analysts said the government's optimism had little credibility given the consistent discrepancy between its projections and the economic reality. The labor minister, Celestino Corbacho, predicted in January that unemployment would not reach four million, while the central bank this month said it would reach a maximum of 17.1 percent this year. Debate continued this last week in Spain and elsewhere about how much the government could afford to stretch its budget deficit to stimulate the economy and cover the costs of supporting the unemployed. The Bank of Spain has warned of little room for additional spending, with Spain's public sector deficit on track to hit 8.3 percent of G.D.P. this year and its ratio of debt-to-G.D.P. set to reach 50 percent. The bank's governor, Miguel Fernández Ordóñez has said that the social security system could go into deficit this year. But José Antonio Herce, chief economist at Analistas Financieros Internacionales, a financial consultancy, said new stimulus packages were needed. There is a little margin to spend more, and what margin there is should be exhausted on productive infrastructure that will help the economy in the long term, he said, adding that there was room to increase Spain's budget deficit by about two more points of G.D.P. What we need next is for the government to produce a clear plan which explains to the taxpayer how it is going to fix this mess going all the way through till 2019.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aversion and Attachement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Grate Swan, I'll reply to your post. Several others have elbowed me, er, it was me wasn't it? -- for having some sort of high-hatting snobby attitude about strip club dancers. And your post seems to meta-talk about the kind of folks into which my detractors would group me, so maybe you and I can have an actual discussion about this set of issues without getting personal as Turq did. Whenever I left a bar or strip club, believe me, no one inside them thought I was high hatting. I look into a person's eyes, and they usually look back and see my heart there. I look at almost all people as being victims of the world's marauders, and a girl in a strip club is almost always someone who has been in some deep psychological straits. That appears to be based on your speculation and perhaps intuition. Which may over time have been found to be good truth baromoters for yourself. However, there is no reason for me to gauge truth by such. I can think of a number of reasons why the truth may be opposite of what you propose. First, it takes some bit of self-confidence, and non- attachment to get naked in front of strangers. Though most strip clubs appear to be merely topless not fully nude. I imagine (which is only that) there may be a well cultured sense of I am not the body developed amongst dancers. And not being much affected by others opinions. Far more healthy traits than many long term meditators display. More likely I am ONLY my body I'd have thought? No that would be fashionable girls on at millions of venues of showiness -- who have invested in the idea that they are their bodies -- and hair and clothes. My sense is that dancers say WTF -- you want to pay me $1000-$2000 a night to see my boobs? Good lord! They are just boobs. Not a big deal. If seeing them makes you happy, and helps me get on to my dreams in life, OK, deal. If this is so, then dancers appear are far more healthy and rational than a majority of women in their 20's who spend fortunes on getting as many artificial means to enhance their self-image, clothes, hair, make-up -- all multi-billion dollar industries for the 20ish year old segment, enabling them to put it out there as who they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment in Spain Hits 17.4% -- Thats Depression Levels that spurred Facsism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: This and an article I posed last week indicate that Spain is leading Europe in a nose-diving economy. Unemployment above 20% led to massive social upheavals and totalitarian regimes in the past. And now from our News-FFL reporter, live from Spain: Turq, do you see signs and effects of the high unemployment and generally diving economy from your perch in Spain? Duh. Of course. Many businesses have gone under, many more fear they will, and many of the folks I used to see in the cafes now can't afford them. I am fortunate that I don't live on the Spanish economy, and that the company that pays me has signed a contract to continue doing so for several more years. ( Sorry to disappoint you, Nabby. ) But from my point of view there is not a chance in hell that the Spanish would react by allowing a totalitarian regime to slide into power as a result. There are few families in Spain who did not have a member of their families murdered by the last totalitarian regime. Living under Franco for 40 years has IMO made Spain Fascism-proof. Recession-proof, no. Depression-proof, no. Just not likely to fall for a quick fix that involves another tyrant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Japanese were Executed for Waterboarding American troops
Uh-oh. I suppose this means we will have to try and convict Harry Truman post-mortem for approving and sanctioning the unnecessary execution of those Japanese soldiers. While we're at it, why don't we convict him of dropping the two atomic bombs? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as water cure, water torture and waterboarding, according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning. [NOTE BELOW: The Japanese used the same justification as the Cheney/Bush administration.] R. John Pritchard, a historian and lawyer who is a top scholar on the trials, said the Japanese felt the ends justified the means. The rapid and effective collection of intelligence then, as now, was seen as vital to a successful struggle, and in addition, those who were engaged in torture often felt that whatever pain and anguish was suffered by the victims of torture was nothing less than the just deserts of the victims or people close to them, he said. In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. ~~PolitiFact: http://snipurl.com/gp008
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Post of the month, maybe of the year. Comment below. Thanks. You are probably the only one arising from the rabble of FFLife who thinks so. But I'll take the compliment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: TM cannot exist without the TMO. Warts and all, it is the only organization capable of teaching TM so that it remains TM, a simple mental technique, rather than some watered down version that loses its effectiveness. Maharishi's great gift to the world was a systematic way to allow the mind to transcend. IMO the foundation of Maharishi's worldwide TMO is secure enough to endure leadership foibles and growing pains just as it always has. It will always have detractors, saints, dummies and TM teachers off the reservation who will teach, who knows what. Regardless, the TMO is the only reliable glue that can hold the teaching of TM together in perpetuity or at least for a very long time. snip The argument can certainly be made that the TMO shouldn't be a crusading, messianic organization, but that's how its founder saw it from the very beginning, and there isn't really anything that can be done about it now; it isn't going to change in that regard. I don't believe Maharishi thought of the TMO as a crusading, messianic organization. Certainly, these are loaded words meant to malign. But, no. In the early days, it was more like, he had a bunch of unkempt hippies on TTC who needed direction, structure, discipline and routine, if he hoped to hone their
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aversion and Attachement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: I imagine (which is only that) there may be a well cultured sense of I am not the body developed amongst dancers. And not being much affected by others opinions. Far more healthy traits than many long term meditators display. More likely I am ONLY my body I'd have thought? No that would be fashionable girls on at millions of venues of showiness -- who have invested in the idea that they are their bodies -- and hair and clothes. Exactly. My sense is that dancers say WTF -- you want to pay me $1000- $2000 a night to see my boobs? Good lord! They are just boobs. Not a big deal. If seeing them makes you happy, and helps me get on to my dreams in life, OK, deal. Your imagining is correct, at least according to two dancers I knew. One is the young woman I wrote the story about; another is a former girlfriend from my days in the TM movement. Both were former ballet dancers, both danced for the Joffrey Ballet, and both were very clear that behind the curtains at the ballet *ALL* of the dancers, male and female, are used to stripping butt naked in front of any- one and everyone, because the costume changes between acts necessitate them and the dressing rooms are too far away to get to before the next act. One loses any sense of modesty or fear of being seen naked after the first such performance, much less after the hundreth. My TM girlfriend, as far as I know, never became a stripper, but she would have had no problems doing so out of any sense of modesty or propriety. ( Another TM girlfriend did become a lingerie model in New York, however. ) The former ballet dancer who became a stripper there in Detroit felt the same way. Both felt sorry for both men and women who were so hung up about nudity as to pretend to be shocked or outraged by it. They saw that as what it was, pretense. If this is so, then dancers appear are far more healthy and rational than a majority of women in their 20's who spend fortunes on getting as many artificial means to enhance their self-image, clothes, hair, make-up -- all multi-billion dollar industries for the 20ish year old segment, enabling them to put it out there as who they are. Exactly. My friend in Detroit was slim and small-breasted. But *no one* in the audience would have ever considered that a failing once she started dancing. She was mesmerizing. She picked all her own music to dance to, and *really* got into it. In my opinion, having seen a lot of ballet and modern dance in my life, her performances onstage at the strip club were as much ART as any of the perform- ances I've seen by ballet or modern dance greats. She was able to *transcend* her environment, and get into mind space of dance as art. Watching her dance was what inspired the story I wrote about her. It *WAS* how a dakini would dance. And you know what is funny, to me, living in Spain and walking my dogs along the beach every morning and evening now that the weather has gotten warm? All these people here on FFL are getting up on their high horses and pre- tending to be oh-so moral and oh-so concerned about the welfare of a poor, taken-advantage- of-by-slimy-men stripper who at the END of her act was still wearing more clothing than 80% of the women on the Sitges beach.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Japanese were Executed for Waterboarding American troops
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Uh-oh. I suppose this means we will have to try and convict Harry Truman post-mortem for approving and sanctioning the unnecessary execution of those Japanese soldiers. While we're at it, why don't we convict him of dropping the two atomic bombs? Yes. Good idea. And Roosevelt for his approval of massive fire-bombings of the population centers -- Dresden, and massive firebombings of over 100 Japanese cities / population centers prior to the A-bombs. 9/11 pales in comparison to these atrocities. Some say there is no moral equivalence to 9/11 (Gulliani, et al). Bullshit. The US has done far worse, morally despicable things. And many good things too. (Genocidal campaigns against Native Americans not being one of them) Whether Bush and Cheney should be hanged, consistent with our treatment of Japanese waterboarders remains to be seen. But long prison sentences may appear to be appropriate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as water cure, water torture and waterboarding, according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning. [NOTE BELOW: The Japanese used the same justification as the Cheney/Bush administration.] R. John Pritchard, a historian and lawyer who is a top scholar on the trials, said the Japanese felt the ends justified the means. The rapid and effective collection of intelligence then, as now, was seen as vital to a successful struggle, and in addition, those who were engaged in torture often felt that whatever pain and anguish was suffered by the victims of torture was nothing less than the just deserts of the victims or people close to them, he said. In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. ~~PolitiFact: http://snipurl.com/gp008
[FairfieldLife] Re: Japanese were Executed for Waterboarding American troops
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Uh-oh. I suppose this means we will have to try and convict Harry Truman post-mortem for approving and sanctioning the unnecessary execution of those Japanese soldiers. While we're at it, why don't we convict him of dropping the two atomic bombs? Yes. Good idea. And Roosevelt for his approval of massive fire-bombings of the population centers -- Dresden, and massive firebombings of over 100 Japanese cities / population centers prior to the A-bombs. 9/11 pales in comparison to these atrocities. Some say there is no moral equivalence to 9/11 (Gulliani, et al). Bullshit. The US has done far worse, morally despicable things. And many good things too. (Genocidal campaigns against Native Americans not being one of them) Whether Bush and Cheney should be hanged, consistent with our treatment of Japanese waterboarders remains to be seen. But long prison sentences may appear to be appropriate. Yes! And Obama should be up on charges, too, seeing as he hasn't gotten us out of Iraq or Afghanistan yet. How many have died since he got into office? I hold Obama responsible for the 60 people that died yesterday as a result of that suicide bomber. It was obviously his fault. I also think he should get 10 years for smiling in that photo with Chavez as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as water cure, water torture and waterboarding, according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning. [NOTE BELOW: The Japanese used the same justification as the Cheney/Bush administration.] R. John Pritchard, a historian and lawyer who is a top scholar on the trials, said the Japanese felt the ends justified the means. The rapid and effective collection of intelligence then, as now, was seen as vital to a successful struggle, and in addition, those who were engaged in torture often felt that whatever pain and anguish was suffered by the victims of torture was nothing less than the just deserts of the victims or people close to them, he said. In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. ~~PolitiFact: http://snipurl.com/gp008
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in question- in this case the practice of TM. the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist change.
[FairfieldLife] Al Gore, his investments, and global warming
I found the following video fascinating. Before a committee the other day, Al Gore was questioned about his green investments. The implications are obvious: is there a conflict of interest between owning stock in green companies and his advocacy of global warming. What I found interesting is the diversionary tactics Gore employed. Not only did he get testy and on the defensive but notice that he diverted the discussion by declaring that all profits he's received he's given to non-profit organisations. Well, of course, the value of owning equity (i.e. common stock) in companies is mainly going to be the result of capital gain in the price of a stock. The profit or dividends are, as a rule of thumb, about 20% of the total value of owning a stock. And that percentage is usually much, MUCH less with start-ups because they almost always take profits that they make and feed it back into the company. So Gore is being disingenious by jumping all over the Congresswoman by declaring that he has given all his profits to non-profits because (1) that amount could be next to nothing; and (2) he didn't tell us what he intends upon doing with the stock. In other words, he simply didn't tell us ANYTHING: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=326113widget=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For the record, this rant has nothing to do with Shemp, merely with the person who once cried Death threat! on FFL (and who still does) trying to suggest that people should know when another poster is kidding. And that provided me an opportunity to post one of the tidbits my attorney found from another of our august FFL members. Neither has anything to do with Shemp. As far as I know, Shemp has never run an Internet porn site for the Gambino crime family. :-) I wonder if Barry's attorney is aware that his client is a vindictive, malicious liar. And we're off and running with another week of hi-jinks and hilarity!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:49 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I wonder if Barry's attorney is aware that his client is a vindictive, malicious liar. And we're off and running with another week of hi-jinks and hilarity! Even Turq evokes my compassion. Do you realize how condescending, patronizing and savior-complex a pattern your words are weaving here, and below. I cannot imagine what has happened to him that he has such a hair-trigger cruelty and chicken-hearted cowardice when it comes to toe-to-toe debate. But, give me some details, and I'll bet that I have have had enough happen to me to understand his brokenness. I shudder to think what actually happened to him with, say, Rama, that has him even decades later roiling in such a dark defensiveness when his truth is challenged by another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Judy wrote: Note that of Barry's six posts so far this week, five attack TMers (four attacking me specifically), and the sixth attacks Edg. Yes, I've noted that Barry seems to be obsessed with posting from bars and brothels, and sometimes cheap patio cafes. But I wonder why Barry is so obsessed with you? I mean, he's already got his dog to talk to and his many younger girlfriends to mess with. Barry was much more interesting to read when he was out shopping at flea markets in France. I'm not convinced that Barry made a good move when he relocated to that poor village down in Spain. I mean, don't they have a better quality of Red Light District up in Paris? Just askin'. Ever been to that poor little village down in Spain Tex? Just askin'. I have. It's the Spanish Riviera.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For the record, this rant has nothing to do with Shemp, merely with the person who once cried Death threat! on FFL (and who still does) trying to suggest that people should know when another poster is kidding. And that provided me an opportunity to post one of the tidbits my attorney found from another of our august FFL members. Neither has anything to do with Shemp. As far as I know, Shemp has never run an Internet porn site for the Gambino crime family. :-) I wonder if Barry's attorney is aware that his client is a vindictive, malicious liar. And we're off and running with another week of hi-jinks and hilarity! Where do these two get the energy to continue this debate? I mean it's more than 12 years now of daily bantering, bickering, arguing, and oneupmanship between them. They simply can't stop. I think it would be harder for both of them to ignore each other than it would be for them to get off of heroin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in question- in this case the practice of TM. the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist change. 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them cynics trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect. someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs experience. and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor of a more real path is still an idealist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever been to that poor little village down in Spain Tex? Just askin'. Nobody just asks in FFL. Every question posed that way is a setup to viciously mock the person being asked. Go make mock somebody else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For the record, this rant has nothing to do with Shemp, merely with the person who once cried Death threat! on FFL (and who still does) trying to suggest that people should know when another poster is kidding. And that provided me an opportunity to post one of the tidbits my attorney found from another of our august FFL members. Neither has anything to do with Shemp. As far as I know, Shemp has never run an Internet porn site for the Gambino crime family. :-) I wonder if Barry's attorney is aware that his client is a vindictive, malicious liar. And we're off and running with another week of hi-jinks and hilarity! Where do these two get the energy to continue this debate? TM of course. Tapping the infinite source of creativity, intelligence and energy, the home of all the laws of nature, the infinite organizing power of Nature. It makes one an energizer bunny in carrying out ones dharma and expressing ones own nature. Nature and karma are unfathomable of course. You mistake content as localized. While in actuality this debate is the very core of Nature working out the dynamics of past conflicts of many nations across many ages. Arrmageon, in subtle form, is being fought right here before our eyes. Its an honor and an awesome opportunity to witness it first hand. Judy and Turg are actual high devas that have volunteered to come to earth to unravel the gordian knot of collective karma of the ages. Jai JuTurqy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! There is a fascination that I think we all have (those who are now outside lookin' in that is) with folks who, after all these years and all of the clear evidence in front of them, still buy the basic party line. And I don't mean this in a petri dish way. As I said before I am acutely aware of the fact that I held same beliefs for many years. And, the fact isshe could be right about all of this and I could be dead wrong. But I long ago made a decision to use my own noggin' to determine my course of action and my belief system. The incredible freedom I felt from removing the cloak of the MMY/TMO belief structure was.dare I say it.enlightening! At Rick's suggestion I'm reading the book just out by an ex insider of Sri Chinmoy, Cartwheels In A Sari. Highly recommended! You'll quickly see the many parallels with MMY and the TMO. Back to Raunch. I don't dislike her, but I can't say I like her either. I'd have to hang with her to form more of an opinion. However, I can say that I'm glad that she's here. (Unlike Nabby who I honestly don't miss at all. His utter mean spiritedness was wearing.) Raunch was offended by the way I expressed myself but hey, she's plays rough too at times. If we hung out, we'd probably have a grand old time. Have fun in Florence. Man...the food, the women, the whole nine yards of it! You're going to have a blast!
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For the record, this rant has nothing to do with Shemp, merely with the person who once cried Death threat! on FFL (and who still does) trying to suggest that people should know when another poster is kidding. And that provided me an opportunity to post one of the tidbits my attorney found from another of our august FFL members. Neither has anything to do with Shemp. As far as I know, Shemp has never run an Internet porn site for the Gambino crime family. :-) I wonder if Barry's attorney is aware that his client is a vindictive, malicious liar. And we're off and running with another week of hi-jinks and hilarity! Where do these two get the energy to continue this debate? TM of course. Tapping the infinite source of creativity, intelligence and energy, the home of all the laws of nature, the infinite organizing power of Nature. It makes one an energizer bunny in carrying out ones dharma and expressing ones own nature. Judy could probably swing with that. She used to claim that the only reason I had enlighten- ment experiences after leaving the TMO was all the years I spent practicing TM. :-) Nature and karma are unfathomable of course. You mistake content as localized. While in actuality this debate is the very core of Nature working out the dynamics of past conflicts of many nations across many ages. Armageddon, in subtle form, is being fought right here before our eyes. Do I get to be the Antichrist? I've *always* wanted to be the Antichrist. :-) I actually had a bumper sticker on my SUV for a while in Santa Fe that said, Antichrists Have More Fun.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: There is a fascination that I think we all have (those who are now outside lookin' in that is) with folks who, after all these years and all of the clear evidence in front of them, still buy the basic party line. And I don't mean this in a petri dish way. As I said before I am acutely aware of the fact that I held same beliefs for many years. And, the fact isshe could be right about all of this and I could be dead wrong. OK, here it is, the ultimate test of whether the TM defenders on this forum are fundamentalists and cultists or not. Geezer's simple statement above is one that I heartily agree with and have *no problem* seconding. *Of course* there is a possibility that the TM defenders here are right and I am wrong. I am fairly certain that Curtis would also have no problem agreeing with this. But here's the test: Can any of the TM defenders on this forum say that? WILL any of them say that? Judy ? Nabby ? Off ? I Am The Eternal ? Raunchydog ? shukra69 ? Jim / enlightened_dawn11 ? sparaig ? How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: There is a fascination that I think we all have (those who are now outside lookin' in that is) with folks who, after all these years and all of the clear evidence in front of them, still buy the basic party line. And I don't mean this in a petri dish way. As I said before I am acutely aware of the fact that I held same beliefs for many years. And, the fact isshe could be right about all of this and I could be dead wrong. OK, here it is, the ultimate test of whether the TM defenders on this forum are fundamentalists and cultists or not. Geezer's simple statement above is one that I heartily agree with and have *no problem* seconding. *Of course* there is a possibility that the TM defenders here are right and I am wrong. I am fairly certain that Curtis would also have no problem agreeing with this. But here's the test: Can any of the TM defenders on this forum say that? WILL any of them say that? Judy ? Nabby ? Off ? I Am The Eternal ? Raunchydog ? shukra69 ? Jim / enlightened_dawn11 ? sparaig ? How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? L
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? You didn't answer, pussy. When you answer my question with a Yes or No answer, then you have the right to pose a diversionary question of your own. Not until.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: snip There is a fascination that I think we all have (those who are now outside lookin' in that is) with folks who, after all these years and all of the clear evidence in front of them, still buy the basic party line. And I don't mean this in a petri dish way. As I said before I am acutely aware of the fact that I held same beliefs for many years. And, the fact isshe could be right about all of this and I could be dead wrong. But I long ago made a decision to use my own noggin' to determine my course of action and my belief system. And you don't think she does too?? On what basis do you suggest that the only decision that shows one is using one's own noggin is the decision to *reject* TM? We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. As far as the Maharishi Effect and flying go, I won't go any further than that I can't rule them out. Somehow I don't think you'd be willing to say even that much.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? You didn't answer, pussy. When you answer my question with a Yes or No answer, then you have the right to pose a diversionary question of your own. Not until. Gettin' mighty quiet in this here town Jeb.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
jeez, what is wrong with you? telling someone they don't have the *right* to respond to you in a particular way? if that isn't a rigid and fundamentalist view, i don't know what is. when you express your thoughts like that, you come across as someone with a bigger stick up the bum than anyone in the TMO. your rigidity and close-mindedness makes you one of the biggest pussies on this board. you insist this and insist that, all the while telling others how they should interpret experience. yeah, you're a real out of the box thinker alright, TB. what a joke. just keep arguing for your limitations, and swinging blindly at your straw men. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? You didn't answer, pussy. When you answer my question with a Yes or No answer, then you have the right to pose a diversionary question of your own. Not until.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip There is a fascination that I think we all have (those who are now outside lookin' in that is) with folks who, after all these years and all of the clear evidence in front of them, still buy the basic party line. And I don't mean this in a petri dish way. As I said before I am acutely aware of the fact that I held same beliefs for many years. And, the fact isshe could be right about all of this and I could be dead wrong. But I long ago made a decision to use my own noggin' to determine my course of action and my belief system. And you don't think she does too?? On what basis do you suggest that the only decision that shows one is using one's own noggin is the decision to *reject* TM? We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. As far as the Maharishi Effect and flying go, I won't go any further than that I can't rule them out. Somehow I don't think you'd be willing to say even that much. Judy, Judydid I say that MY decision to reject the TMO (btw, I don't reject TM, I still do it) was the only correct way for everyone? No. I said that this was my own decision about my own course of action. I then went on to say that Raunch could be completely right and I could be utterly wrong. But you know that already and still you chose to LIE. (Wait a minute...am I writing this or you? I get so confused.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in question- in this case the practice of TM. the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist change. 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them cynics trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect. someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs experience. and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor of a more real path is still an idealist. Curtis labeled himself as a cynic. I labeled myself as an idealist. In between, we live in shades of gray. The cynic who insists the world is black or white, does indeed live to crush idealism. There isn't any wiggle room in their life for beauty, magic and surrender of the heart. It makes them feel ill. If someone says they believe in unicorns, the cynic's blood boils with excitement at the thought of packing the unicorn believer into a box and sending them off to the trash compactor. Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? You didn't answer, pussy. When you answer my question with a Yes or No answer, then you have the right to pose a diversionary question of your own. Not until. Gettin' mighty quiet in this here town Jeb. Yup. So far not a single one of them has the courage to say what you did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip There is a fascination that I think we all have (those who are now outside lookin' in that is) with folks who, after all these years and all of the clear evidence in front of them, still buy the basic party line. And I don't mean this in a petri dish way. As I said before I am acutely aware of the fact that I held same beliefs for many years. And, the fact isshe could be right about all of this and I could be dead wrong. But I long ago made a decision to use my own noggin' to determine my course of action and my belief system. And you don't think she does too?? On what basis do you suggest that the only decision that shows one is using one's own noggin is the decision to *reject* TM? We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. As far as the Maharishi Effect and flying go, I won't go any further than that I can't rule them out. Somehow I don't think you'd be willing to say even that much. Judy, Judydid I say that MY decision to reject the TMO (btw, I don't reject TM, I still do it) was the only correct way for everyone? No. I said that this was my own decision about my own course of action. I then went on to say that Raunch could be completely right and I could be utterly wrong. It looked as though you were saying that *you* used your noggin and she didn't, which kind of spoiled the effect of your saying she could be right and you wrong. If that isn't what you meant, I take it back. It wouldn't have been the first time a TM(O) critic had made such a suggestion, though.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? You didn't answer, pussy. When you answer my question with a Yes or No answer, then you have the right to pose a diversionary question of your own. Not until. Gettin' mighty quiet in this here town Jeb. Yup. So far not a single one of them has the courage to say what you did. Talk about selective reading. I did in my reponse to Geeze before I even read your post. (And it didn't take any courage; it's what I've said all along, all of the many times you've posed this question, and on my own hook as well.)
[FairfieldLife] Dollhouse -- another Joss episode, Haunted
I started watching this one without knowing who wrote it, but I knew within the first minute. It was a no-brainer. Echo is imprinted and awakens from the imprinting process to be greeted not by her handler, as is usual, but by Adelle, the head of the Dollhouse. What is even more surprising is that when Echo awakens, she immediately recognizes Adelle, calls her by name, sees a look of concern on her face, and asks, What's wrong. Adelle says, Margaret, I hate to be the one to tell you...you're dead. And Margaret, one of Adelle's best friends, *is* dead. But her personality is not, because it had been archived by Adelle at the Dollhouse. So Adelle awakens her old friend in Echo's body, and the two of them work to solve Margaret's murder. Classic Joss Whedon. Many writers would have taken the basic concept -- being able to imprint other human beings with the complete personality of another living human being -- and stopped there. Not Joss. He took it one more what if step, and went for the not-so-obvious: Hey! If we can imprint the dolls with the memories and the personalities of the living, why can't we imprint them with the memories and the personalities of the dead? Why not indeed? High-tech life after death. As it turns out, Margaret arranged all of this before her death. She constructed a character named Julia (who is now Echo), wrote herself into her own will, and instructed the family to expect Julia at the reading of the will. Now Julia (really Margaret, in Echo's body) gets to spy on all of the people who wanted her dead because she was rich. Is there any *question* that if such a technology existed that this is what it would be used for? Being able to imprint dolls with someone else's personality for the amusement of the rich pales in comparison to being rich and being able to imprint yourself with your *own* self to experience a kind of life after death. *Of course* that is what would happen. And Joss Whedon is hip enough to realize that and write it into one of his scripts. That's why trusting him to make Dollhouse an interesting series, despite the odds, was such a wise decision.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine. Nicely said Raunchy. Curtis comes off to me as a skeptic, rather than as a cynic, but not closed minded. There is a difference between skepticism and closedmindetudiness (to use a Curtis type word).
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: How 'bout it. It's a VERY simple question. Are you willing to agree with Geezerfreak's state- ment above, in the converse? Are you willing to state categorically in public, There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong? Any of the above-listed posters who fail to answer are IMO pussies. They can answer Yes or they can answer No, but failure to answer in this case can and IMO should be interpreted as a big, fat No. And IMO *that* should be interpreted as fundament- alism and the non-response of the cultwhipped. What's the criticism? Judy and most other TBers on this forum agree with the TM critics on certain points already. On others, they disagree vehemently. SO, here's the converse question: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? You didn't answer, pussy. When you answer my question with a Yes or No answer, then you have the right to pose a diversionary question of your own. Not until. Barry: Sit in your seat Sparaig and don't move until I tell you to. Now! Sparaig: (Under his breath) Pussy! Barry: What was that young man? (Seething, Barry rises from behind his desk located in front of Buddhist meditation class, marches briskly to Sparaig with ruler in hand and smacks him over the head with it. Sparaig: OW! What was that for? Barry: (Lifting Sparaig by the ear from his chair) March, Mister! Now stand in that corner, bend over and drop your pants. Now! Sparaig: No! Not the Willy again! Barry: Yes! The Willy! (Just as Barry approaches Sparaig with the Willy, the school fire alarm goes off) Barry: You lucked out this time, you cheeky little twerp. (Under his breath) And I do mean cheeky...Hmmm... Sparaig: (Under his breath) Pussy!
[FairfieldLife] Ronald Reagan On Torture Prosecutions
The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today. The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution. ~~ Ronald Reagan - from his signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2137_v88/ai_6742034/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Japanese were Executed for Waterboarding American troops
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps. *** On a visit to Pearl Harbor, I boarded the WWII submarine Bowfin which is docked there as a tourist attraction. I later read the history of the boat (Blair, Clay Jr. -- Silent Victory--The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: J. B. Lippincott Company, 1975. http://snipurl.com/gpukt [www_nps_gov]), and found that the Bowfin killed many civilians off the coast of Japan: Japanese fishing boats were a family affair, Mama-san, Papa-san and the kids, and when the Bowfin encountered these fishing boats, they would use a machine gun to sink the boat, and then strafe the survivors in the water. This sort of brutality would have been punished if Japan had won the war, but it's a matter of the old cliche that the winners write the history -- there are slight differences in brutishness among human tribes, but it's not as much of a difference as is commonly thought.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in question- in this case the practice of TM. the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist change. 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them cynics trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect. someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs experience. and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor of a more real path is still an idealist. Curtis labeled himself as a cynic. I labeled myself as an idealist. In between, we live in shades of gray. The cynic who insists the world is black or white, does indeed live to crush idealism. There isn't any wiggle room in their life for beauty, magic and surrender of the heart. It makes them feel ill. If someone says they believe in unicorns, the cynic's blood boils with excitement at the thought of packing the unicorn believer into a box and sending them off to the trash compactor. Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine. I have no problem with that at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip As you may recall, Maharishi was extremely concerned about the news of American ships blockading the Soviets in the Indian Ocean. Then one day, for no apparent reason, he never said exactly why, Maharishi had us reforming teams, make plans for travel visas, look at maps of India and plan how our teams would travel around the Indian coastline, teaching TM, I guess. So for a few days everyone went into hyper drive thinking about how they were going to get their travel arrangements organized on such short notice. Then nothing. Maharishi just dropped it. I felt like someone had just dumped me out of bed in the middle of a nice nap, just for the hell of it. A few days later, we got news the American ships had withdrawn the blockade. No one ever made a direct statement that we might had had anything to do with it. But I believe to this day that our attention on maps of India and thinking about India's coastline intently, prevented a serious confrontation between the Americans and the Soviets. snip I am impressed that you are tough enough to post this knowing the predictable responses. Curtis's was the most interesting as he has the history that I don't. I know you know that you are not presenting a proof, but a belief. You don't force your belief on others which I respect. My problem with this kind of belief is that for some people, (not you, Raunchy), it turns into a disrespect for those who do not share the belief, to the extent that others are viewed as somehow defective. Listen to Nabby sometimes talk about how defective we non-believers are. Now coming from Nabby is one thing, but when it comes from people you personally know it is another. For example, I have been told that my system is not subtle enough to feel the effects of various things like east facing homes, gemstones, and various supplements. It isn't subtle because I do not meditate regularly. As a result I can only appreciate things on a gross level. So, my opinion as to the value of any of these things is totally irrelevant. I have been told that outside scientists opinions on the state of the research is irrelevant as they cannot appreciate the subtleties that the TMO researchers appreciate. A couple of people have told me that they can, by directing their intention, influence others, even influence the outcome of a card game of all things. And why not? After all, if you believe meditating in a group lowered crime, why wouldn't your own attention give you an Ace in a game of cards? They make cognitive errors concerning winning streaks, not understanding the nature of random distributions include winning streaks. Their losing streaks are explained away. So, the problem for me is that I want to respect your belief. After all, it cannot be disproved. But I have trouble respecting these kinds of beliefs. Unsupported beliefs have caused all sorts of trouble in the world. Animals, from bears to rhinos are killed and driven to near extinction because of magical beliefs in the properties of a body part. Women are subjected to a subservient role in many religions. Criminals are convicted on eyewitness testimony in the face of contrary evidence because of the belief that what you see can't be wrong. Some people would rather take an unproven supplement than take a blood pressure pill that has been used for years, studied extensively, and shown both safe and effective. Separate and apart from your beliefs, I respect you Raunchy. You have tried to take the high road more and more often here, as you have in this thread. But I worry about this stuff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dollhouse -- another Joss episode, Haunted
This episode bored me so much that I stopped watching in after the second commercial break. It was like an episode of Murder She Wrote. Eliza's role was beyond her acting range and she didn't pull it off. I may return to watch more of it to see it gets any better. Instead I watched the new Primeval episode I had recorded from Sci-Fi. It was a little more entertaining, a typical BBC type production presented at least upverted from the 480 or 576 line 16:9 BBC presentation. I hope the days of pillarboxing for HD are over on Sci-Fi. As for my opinion on Dollhouse it seemed to be shared by others on forums elsewhere. The show is not pulling in the numbers so it may not stick around much longer. There seems to be something going on being the scenes that is slogging the show down somehow. FYI, along the same lines the numbers have been so dismal for Kings it's been pulled for the time being and will return in June and finish its run in July. TurquoiseB wrote: I started watching this one without knowing who wrote it, but I knew within the first minute. It was a no-brainer. Echo is imprinted and awakens from the imprinting process to be greeted not by her handler, as is usual, but by Adelle, the head of the Dollhouse. What is even more surprising is that when Echo awakens, she immediately recognizes Adelle, calls her by name, sees a look of concern on her face, and asks, What's wrong. Adelle says, Margaret, I hate to be the one to tell you...you're dead. And Margaret, one of Adelle's best friends, *is* dead. But her personality is not, because it had been archived by Adelle at the Dollhouse. So Adelle awakens her old friend in Echo's body, and the two of them work to solve Margaret's murder. Classic Joss Whedon. Many writers would have taken the basic concept -- being able to imprint other human beings with the complete personality of another living human being -- and stopped there. Not Joss. He took it one more what if step, and went for the not-so-obvious: Hey! If we can imprint the dolls with the memories and the personalities of the living, why can't we imprint them with the memories and the personalities of the dead? Why not indeed? High-tech life after death. As it turns out, Margaret arranged all of this before her death. She constructed a character named Julia (who is now Echo), wrote herself into her own will, and instructed the family to expect Julia at the reading of the will. Now Julia (really Margaret, in Echo's body) gets to spy on all of the people who wanted her dead because she was rich. Is there any *question* that if such a technology existed that this is what it would be used for? Being able to imprint dolls with someone else's personality for the amusement of the rich pales in comparison to being rich and being able to imprint yourself with your *own* self to experience a kind of life after death. *Of course* that is what would happen. And Joss Whedon is hip enough to realize that and write it into one of his scripts. That's why trusting him to make Dollhouse an interesting series, despite the odds, was such a wise decision.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:40 PM, sparaig wrote: could it be that the TBers are right afterall? Only if good science is wrong, the yogis who've helped psychically damaged TMSP'ers are wrong, only if the psychiatrists whose hospitals were filled with TMers during the Merv Wave and only if the actual tradition TM alleges to come from, are all wrong. (Of course this is just the short list.) Then, maybe. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: And we're off and running with another week of hi-jinks and hilarity! I just read this thread. It creeped me out.
[FairfieldLife] The GOP: divorced from reality - by Bill Maher
The Republican base is behaving like a guy who just got dumped by his wife It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. If conservatives don't want to be seen as bitter people who cling to their guns and religion and anti-immigrant sentiments, they should stop being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiments. It's been a week now, and I still don't know what those tea bag protests were about. I saw signs protesting abortion, illegal immigrants, the bank bailout and that gay guy who's going to win American Idol. But it wasn't tax day that made them crazy; it was election day. Because that's when Republicans became what they fear most: a minority. The conservative base is absolutely apoplectic because, because ... well, nobody knows. They're mad as hell, and they're not going to take it anymore. Even though they're not quite sure what it is. But they know they're fed up with it, and that it has got to stop. Here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of law. And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes. Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party? It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. Like Trekkies, but paranoid. The GOP base is convinced that Obama is going to raise their taxes, which he just lowered. But, you say, Bill, that's just the fringe of the Republican Party. No, it's not. The governor of Texas, Rick Perry, is not afraid to say publicly that thinking out loud about Texas seceding from the Union is appropriate considering that ... Obama wants to raise taxes 3% on 5% of the people? I'm not sure exactly what Perry's independent nation would look like, but I'm pretty sure it would be free of taxes and Planned Parenthood. And I would have to totally rethink my position on a border fence. I know. It's not about what Obama's done. It's what he's planning. But you can't be sick and tired of something someone might do. Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota recently said she fears that Obama will build reeducation camps to indoctrinate young people. But Obama hasn't made any moves toward taking anyone's guns, and with money as tight as it is, the last thing the president wants to do is run a camp where he has to shelter and feed a bunch of fat, angry white people. Look, I get it, real America. After an eight-year run of controlling the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court, this latest election has you feeling like a rejected husband. You've come home to find your things out on the front lawn -- or at least more things than you usually keep out on the front lawn. You're not ready to let go, but the country you love is moving on. And now you want to call it a whore and key its car. That's what you are, the bitter divorced guy whose country has left him -- obsessing over it, haranguing it, blubbering one minute about how much you love it and vowing the next that if you cannot have it, nobody will. But it's been almost 100 days, and your country is not coming back to you. She's found somebody new. And it's a black guy. The healthy thing to do is to just get past it and learn to cherish the memories. You'll always have New Orleans and Abu Ghraib. And if today's conservatives are insulted by this, because they feel they're better than the people who have the microphone in their party, then I say to them what I would say to moderate Muslims: Denounce your radicals. To paraphrase George W. Bush, either you're with them or you're embarrassed by them. The thing that you people out of power have to remember is that the people in power are not secretly plotting against you. They don't need to. They already beat you in public. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-maher24-2009apr24,0,927819.story?=niradgrules
[FairfieldLife] Has anyone seen the movie 'Earth' ?
Wow! I just watched the trailer here: http://disney.go.com/disneynature/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 25, 2009, at 11:27 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! What you just read Bruneschelli's Dome and you had to check it out? Really Florence has to be one of the most fascinating places in the west--the birthplace of the Renaissance. I'm a big Francesco Giorgi and Neoplatonism fan, so it's always a place I wanted to visit. When the Jew's were kicked out of Spain in 1492 (on the day Columbus left), many went to Sicily and Italy, thus the Kabbalah first is found in Europe in Firenzia. The first Jewish ghetto was in Venice, and there's a museum there I've always wanted to visit. Hopefully you're taking a camera! Any chance of blogging the visit?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The GOP: divorced from reality - by Bill Maher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The Republican base is behaving like a guy who just got dumped by his wife It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. If conservatives don't want to be seen as bitter people who cling to their guns and religion and anti-immigrant sentiments, they should stop being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiments. It's been a week now, and I still don't know what those tea bag protests were about. I saw signs protesting abortion, illegal immigrants, the bank bailout and that gay guy who's going to win American Idol. But it wasn't tax day that made them crazy; it was election day. Because that's when Republicans became what they fear most: a minority. The conservative base is absolutely apoplectic because, because ... well, nobody knows. They're mad as hell, and they're not going to take it anymore. Even though they're not quite sure what it is. But they know they're fed up with it, and that it has got to stop. Here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of law. And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes. Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party? It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. Like Trekkies, but paranoid. The GOP base is convinced that Obama is going to raise their taxes, which he just lowered. But, you say, Bill, that's just the fringe of the Republican Party. No, it's not. The governor of Texas, Rick Perry, is not afraid to say publicly that thinking out loud about Texas seceding from the Union is appropriate considering that ... Obama wants to raise taxes 3% on 5% of the people? I'm not sure exactly what Perry's independent nation would look like, but I'm pretty sure it would be free of taxes and Planned Parenthood. And I would have to totally rethink my position on a border fence. I know. It's not about what Obama's done. It's what he's planning. But you can't be sick and tired of something someone might do. Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota recently said she fears that Obama will build reeducation camps to indoctrinate young people. But Obama hasn't made any moves toward taking anyone's guns, and with money as tight as it is, the last thing the president wants to do is run a camp where he has to shelter and feed a bunch of fat, angry white people. Look, I get it, real America. After an eight-year run of controlling the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court, this latest election has you feeling like a rejected husband. You've come home to find your things out on the front lawn -- or at least more things than you usually keep out on the front lawn. You're not ready to let go, but the country you love is moving on. And now you want to call it a whore and key its car. That's what you are, the bitter divorced guy whose country has left him -- obsessing over it, haranguing it, blubbering one minute about how much you love it and vowing the next that if you cannot have it, nobody will. But it's been almost 100 days, and your country is not coming back to you. She's found somebody new. And it's a black guy. The healthy thing to do is to just get past it and learn to cherish the memories. You'll always have New Orleans and Abu Ghraib. And if today's conservatives are insulted by this, because they feel they're better than the people who have the microphone in their party, then I say to them what I would say to moderate Muslims: Denounce your radicals. To paraphrase George W. Bush, either you're with them or you're embarrassed by them. The thing that you people out of power have to remember is that the people in power are not secretly plotting against you. They don't need to. They already beat you in public. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-maher24-2009apr24,0,927819.story?=niradgrules Thanks Doc! Maher manages to hit the nail square on while being funny as hell.
