[FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail You mean I cannot forward an email to a post count under my user name? I don't understand the question. The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL. I'm seeing it as more of an exercise in codependent voyeurism than anything else. He misses Judy shout- ing REEEAAALLLY STOOOPID over and over. After all, it can't be that she's sent him emails privately, because she's claimed that she's away until Friday, we all know that Judy Never Lies. That's what she says, anyway. Then again, many people here feel that Maharishi never lied, either. Might I suggest an alternative solution? One that is not just a sneaky way to try to circumvent the posting limit? Next time Judy gets so emotionally attached to a subject as to post out early, she can take it to email. That is, she can create a private email list in which she stays in touch with her loyal codependents...uh...I mean fans, and feeds them her devastating and brilliant putdowns. The members of the private email list can then post them as if they'd thought of these things themselves. Voila... problem solved. After all, it's not as if Judy hasn't thought of this herself. She has claimed several times in the past that those who are...uh...less than fans do this all the time, and that her enemies privately email each other to exchange the best get Judy strategies. So clearly she has no problem with the idea in theory; after all, she thought it up. I can even think of a timely name for this private email list, Stein Them It's a reference to the current news story about the Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death by stoning. In that country, the offending woman is buried in the dirt up to her neck and passersby are encouraged to throw stones at her until she's dead. On the Stein Them list, lurkers and those who normally rely on Judy to come up with their putdowns for them can pass along *her* putdowns as if they were theirs, and effectively Stein the transgressors instead of stoning them. Much more humane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: predators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: ---Fairly creative rendition of an ongoing series with a setup for another. http://paralleluniverse.msn.com/across-the-universe/predators/ I watched this yesterday, and despite being a Robert Rodriguez fanboy (he produced) and the curious phen- omenon of reinventing Adrian Brody as a ripped, muscled action star, I was a little underwhelmed. As much as I hate to say it given his politics, the original Predators with Ahnold in it is still the only one of the franchise worth watching. Plot holes in this one big enough to drive Ahnold's Hummer through. Good action scenes, if that's enough for you in an action movie, but not enough meat for me, character-wise and story-wise. Besides, I was really cheesed off that one of my fave Rodriguez alumni Danny Trejo had such a...uh...short-lived role. I would have preferred seeing him in the Adrian Brody role. But I guess we still have to wait for Machete to see him do his star turn. Can't wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More MMY comments re celibacy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Just spotted this post over at TM Free...fascinating in light of the information coming forth now: Re: celibacy being promoted as an ideal starting at Mallorca, I recall M. talking about it even at Humboldt. He said, Would it be possible for people to refrain from having sex for just this one month while you're on this course? (He knew the West was then in the midst of a giant sexual orgy.) I also remember M. saying, I'm almost afraid to say this, but what this movement needs is a few good celibates. I think - but I couldn't swear - that he said that at Humboldt. (If not then, he said it on my TTC, La Antilla.) There was also the now-famous definition of the two ways of life I posted yesterday, in which he said, The only two valid spiritual paths are the celibate monk and the married householder. Anything else is a waste of life. I'm pretty sure that one's on tape. As I noted yesterday, Judith's book and the Sexy Sadie files pretty much put Maharishi, *by his own standards*, in the waste of life group. I've always found it interesting to hold spiritual teachers to their own words. That's one of the main reasons I bailed from the Rama - Fred Lenz trip. I started comparing his actions in the later days of his teaching against his own words in the earlier days of his teaching, and he completely failed to measure up to his *own* standards. In many cases, he was doing things on a regular basis that earlier he'd said that a real teacher or an enlightened teacher would never do. I went for the earlier version of the teachings being more correct, and bailed. With Maharishi, one can do similar comparisons. For example, in Squaw Valley he responded to ques- tions about developing the siddhis by pooh-poohing them, invoking the then-in-vogue buzz phrase Capture the fort (by focusing on transcending instead of trying to develop siddhis), and said in no uncertain terms that the siddhis were dangerous. Later? Well, you all know the answer to that one. Maybe there is wiggle room in some of these pro- nouncements. For example, maybe being unmarried but having sex is not really a waste of life if one keeps it hidden. That seems to be the way he led *his* life, after all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Oh goody. Someone new sending us to hell. Pretty soon he'll recommend killing us, and others, to save us from going to hell. Time honored tradition. Good Buddhist teaching. Can't disagree. I've always suspected that anyone who claims to know that someone else's actions are going to send them to hell is speaking from experience. They clearly already live there, or else they wouldn't be so judgmental. :-) What, after all, is the difference between a Christian saying Believe what I believe or you'll go to hell and a TM TB like Nabby saying the same thing, or a Buddhist saying the same thing? For the record, I do not claim to know that anyone here on FFL is going to go to hell for their actions or beliefs. I don't have a clue, and don't much care. I do suspect that a few people, given the mindset they consistently display here, already live there, but that's a different kind of hell. For them, hell after they die will probably entail not being able to feel superior to anyone. Who, after all, are they going to feel superior to and be able to get their rocks off by yelling at in the real hell? Everybody's equally a sinner, and equally damned. No elitism possible. For someone like Nabby, *that* will be hell. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: Much evidence supports the idea that TM is half-baked; in the sense that TM alone may often lead to a plateau in which the practitioner is stranded. (this applies more to TM alone, not TM plus rounding, or programs with emphasis on breathing exercises.) When confronted with the plateau, people usually quit at that time. Others may look into other techniques. I recommend a complete all-encompassing metaphysical system along with whatever techniques one chooses, namely Buddhism. Then, devotion to the Teacher may carry one beyond the plateau. Those who place their faith in the TMO and butt-bouncing are doomed to Hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 johnltheob...@... wrote: http://sai-fi.net/satyababa/?cat=190 These are some of the blogs from the Sai Baba site. I don't know if it's the same Judith Bourque Who wrote the book about MMY but it seems the site is accusing Conny Larsson of trying to discredit Sai Baba and the same site mentions the connections and involvement of Judith Bourque. I don't know if we're talking about the same people or not, or what the situation they're talking about, but it struck me as coincidence. It's not a coincidence. The Sai Baba followers are well known in spiritual circles for being exactly like Scientologists when dealing with criticism of their pedophile and bad stage magician guru. Like the Scientologists, they actually hire private detectives to dig up dirt on the critics and smear them. Here is one of their hit pieces on Conny Larsson, which also mentions Judith Bourque. http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Lar\ sson/judith-bourque-conny-larsson.gifimgrefurl=http://www.saisathyasai.\ com/Conny_Larsson/judith-bourque-filmmaker-endermologie.htmlusg=__tTJMk\ TiV6FylbrxP7vAzS8yAQA0=h=804w=699sz=78hl=enstart=3itbs=1tbnid=GLM\ WZgywGNEbtM:tbnh=143tbnw=124prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Judith%2BBourque%\ 2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1 http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_La\ rsson/judith-bourque-conny-larsson.gifimgrefurl=http://www.saisathyasai\ .com/Conny_Larsson/judith-bourque-filmmaker-endermologie.htmlusg=__tTJM\ kTiV6FylbrxP7vAzS8yAQA0=h=804w=699sz=78hl=enstart=3itbs=1tbnid=GL\ MWZgywGNEbtM:tbnh=143tbnw=124prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Judith%2BBourque\ %2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1 http://tinyurl.com/3xddff7 http://tinyurl.com/3xddff7 Please note that this is on the OFFICIAL SAI BABA WEBSITE. One of the reasons I've been so proactive in point- ing out the tendency to try to shoot the messenger when confronted by a message one doesn't like is to hopefully keep TMers from being considered *quite* as crazy and cultlike as the Sai Baba and Scientology crazies. I merely *hope* that johnlasher is pointing out this systematic smearing for informational purposes, and not for the purpose of...uh...joining in the smear. The latter would make him look kinda like an idiot, wouldn't it? to view the archive.org results for Judith Bourque's original testimony as published on the vedicmasterclass.org domain (archive.org results are still available as of September 8th 2009). Archive.org has four results (from July 4th 2007 to February 13th 2008) for the webpage that contained Judith Bourque's original testimony. It is important to note that archive.org only indexes webpages after a period of 6 12 months. Therefore, Judith Bourque's testimony was published on the vedicmasterclass.org domain sometime in mid to late 2006 and remained there until February 2009 when it was altered. The screencap shows the archive.org results for the webpage containing Judith Bourque's first-hand testimony about Conny Larsson's trance channeling of Vyasa. Name: Ramana Email: ram...@... Gender: Male Location: poland IP: 83.22.146.154 Hostname: dzi154.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl Comment About: Comments Date/Time: Wednesday, 02 November 2005 11:09:26 AM Hi I sent to you few weeks ago email and I dont have time to replay you, Im sorry. Now Im again In Poland so I have time to write. I wanna share with you about Conny Larsson,well I knew him very well, I and my brother used it organizeted for Conny Larsson teaching meditation courses in whole Poland for Sai Devotees. So This was during 1997 till 1999. We were very close friends with Conny, To make this story short I want inform you that Conny is good actor and he tell all time untruth storys about his interviews, when he talked to people about Sai Baba and his interviews he all time tell different storys, he said something diffrent in 1998 and year after he said this same interview diffrent. He lies all time. I belived that Conny had maybe interiviews during 1980 till 83 and since that time he made up other interviews. So he got last interview I think in 1999.In this interview 1999 I belived him because he had witness. When he came to Poland in September 1999 he said that Baba rape him many times and Baba is fraud. We were shocked, he said that he is now ex baba devotee. Also he wanted forses us to tell that Sai Baba rape even me and my brother! We said Why i should lie? HE replay because this is game, this demon sai baba must bit. HE said- tell people in sai movemnt in poland that sai rape you-,I said NO I will not lie! Conny said I will pay you money only say that sai baba make sex with you. I dont even tell that this was our last meeting with Conny. As you see Conny is.. I dont know little crazy? Also I met Alayer In India 1999.Even in 3 august 1999 we were sitting in same plane (in this same sitts) to Bombay from Putapartii. We were
[FairfieldLife] Re: SRM President Dr. John S. Hislop, perfect disciple of Sai Baba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://www.saibaba.ws/articles1/johnhislop.htm Beautiful ! Thanks for posting this !
[FairfieldLife] Mel Gibson phones Colin Farrell
All this focus on the feet of clay stuff is causing the Mel Gibson meltdown to get shorter shrift on FFL than it's getting in the media. I figured I'd correct this by posting this *very* clever mini-movie found on Funny Or Die: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6dd44f4768/mel-gibson-calls-colin-farrell Interestingly, all of the voices you hear in this clip are really spoken by either Mel Gibson or Colin Farrell, the latter from the film Phone Booth. All that the clever editor had to do was edit out Kiefer Sutherland's voice from the real soundtrack and replace it with Mel's voice from an embarrassingly-made-public recording of a phone message left for his ex Oksana. That said, and because...uh...someone on this forum call- ing Mel Gibson a Christian bigot over a film of his she had never seen is NEVER gonna get old :-), I've enjoyed some of his movies, *as movies*, including Apocalypto. Similarly, I have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy some of Roman Polanski's movies, *as movies*. Theoretically, those TM fans who are now saying that MMY being sort of an asshole for lying about his sexual pro- clivities should not have any impact on whether or not they continue to appreciate his spiritual teachings should be able to understand that I can easily recognize Mel Gibson's and Roman Polanski's assholiness and still like their work. Theoretically. Will Edg come roaring in to say that anyone who likes a Polanski movie is as evil as he is, or will the Judester come roaring in to say that anyone who likes a Mel Gibson movie is as much of an asshole as he is? Only time will tell...
Re: [FairfieldLife] A question about post limits
Oh gee, I was only having fun. I like reading Stein's posts because she punches it to the point. I didn't have much to say this week because I don't have much to write. Hahaha. I thought the question was funny. I understand why there are post limits, I was surprised to see Stein near her limit so quickly. I, offering a sacrifice of my Avatar carcass to another user, I thought would humor some, because what do I really say here? LOL. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 5:04:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question about post limits ditzyklanmail wrote: I see Stein is creeping near the limit of posts and it is only Monday. Is it allowed for her to send me her replies to other's silly statements and I cut and paste them sacrificing my post counts? or some of them? Does anyone understand what ditzy is saying here? Why would you want to do this?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of andrasayer Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:54 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Is Judith American or Swedish? Does anyone know if she was at Estes Park? She's American living in Sweden, and she was at Estes Park, but had become an initiator in Rishikesh.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnlasher20002000 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H http://sai-fi.net/satyababa/?cat=190 These are some of the blogs from the Sai Baba site. I don't know if it's the same Judith Bourque Who wrote the book about MMY but it seems the site is accusing Conny Larsson of trying to discredit Sai Baba and the same site mentions the connections and involvement of Judith Bourque. I don't know if we're talking about the same people or not, or what the situation they're talking about, but it struck me as coincidence. Conny and Judith are friends and both live in Sweden.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Yes, that was what I was referring to. If her post limit was met. I was trying to make a joke and also a compliment to Stein. Please pardon the waste of posts for such a topic. LOL From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 5:07:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question about post limits You mean I cannot forward an email to a post count under my user name? I don’t understand the question. The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
Thanks! Now Judy will know if it really gets rough on this board and uses up all her post counts, she can rely on me to forward post for her! Really I was only kidding, but could you imagine the kind of post war that could be created doing this type of request, with the most brilliant responders limited to a post count and someone like me hanging around like a wall flower or a nerdy type kid at a high school dance standing off to the side, enjoying the battle of the most brilliant by participating in taking sides and keeping shut myself, sacrificing like a pawn in a chess game... LOL From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 5:19:48 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question about post limits You mean I cannot forward an email to a post count under my user name? I don’t understand the question. The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL. If either of those are what he wants to do, then that would be up to Judy. He could ask her privately and then post them if she approves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
Yes, I was kidding, but wanted to point out the potential of this. It is pretty funny, if it were to happen. I promise I will not participate in this type of behavior on this board. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 5:48:28 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL. If either of those are what he wants to do, then that would be up to Judy. He could ask her privately and then post them if she approves. That would amount to Judy posting by proxy, with ditzy essentially giving away part of his allotment. I can see the potential for abuse. OTOH, few people post enough to need such a workaround. But, it's your call, so what the hell do I care? I see what you mean and I agree with you. Forwarding emails from people whose allotment had expired would just be an end run around the posting limit. So if that’s what you’re asking ditzy, the answer is no.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
Yes. I was not actually done, but the question itself is a good one to have thought about. : ) From: mainstream20016 mainstream20...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 9:28:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL. If either of those are what he wants to do, then that would be up to Judy. He could ask her privately and then post them if she approves. That would amount to Judy posting by proxy, with ditzy essentially giving away part of his allotment. I can see the potential for abuse. OTOH, few people post enough to need such a workaround. But, it's your call, so what the hell do I care? I see what you mean and I agree with you. Forwarding emails from people whose allotment had expired would just be an end run around the posting limit. So if that's what you're asking ditzy, the answer is no. Thanks, Alex and Rick for preventing posting by proxy. The 50 post / week limit prevents FFL from generating more heat than light.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
It, I meant to type, It was not actually done. From: mainstream20016 mainstream20...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 9:28:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL. If either of those are what he wants to do, then that would be up to Judy. He could ask her privately and then post them if she approves. That would amount to Judy posting by proxy, with ditzy essentially giving away part of his allotment. I can see the potential for abuse. OTOH, few people post enough to need such a workaround. But, it's your call, so what the hell do I care? I see what you mean and I agree with you. Forwarding emails from people whose allotment had expired would just be an end run around the posting limit. So if that's what you're asking ditzy, the answer is no. Thanks, Alex and Rick for preventing posting by proxy. The 50 post / week limit prevents FFL from generating more heat than light.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
Hahaha. Turq's: Co-Dependent voyeurism That is really funny! I could just as easily take a side with you, Turq. That would be just as fun. LOL. So I am a male for Stein, because most here would think a man would side with her? What if I was a female for Turq, would that give me double D's? From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 13 July, 2010 1:03:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail You mean I cannot forward an email to a post count under my user name? I don't understand the question. The language is not at all clear, but it sounds like ditzy wants to forward to FFL a privately emailed reply from Judy. Or publicly reply to Judy's private email on FFL. I'm seeing it as more of an exercise in codependent voyeurism than anything else. He misses Judy shout- ing REEEAAALLLY STOOOPID over and over. After all, it can't be that she's sent him emails privately, because she's claimed that she's away until Friday, we all know that Judy Never Lies. That's what she says, anyway. Then again, many people here feel that Maharishi never lied, either. Might I suggest an alternative solution? One that is not just a sneaky way to try to circumvent the posting limit? Next time Judy gets so emotionally attached to a subject as to post out early, she can take it to email. That is, she can create a private email list in which she stays in touch with her loyal codependents...uh...I mean fans, and feeds them her devastating and brilliant putdowns. The members of the private email list can then post them as if they'd thought of these things themselves. Voila... problem solved. After all, it's not as if Judy hasn't thought of this herself. She has claimed several times in the past that those who are...uh...less than fans do this all the time, and that her enemies privately email each other to exchange the best get Judy strategies. So clearly she has no problem with the idea in theory; after all, she thought it up. I can even think of a timely name for this private email list, Stein Them It's a reference to the current news story about the Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death by stoning. In that country, the offending woman is buried in the dirt up to her neck and passersby are encouraged to throw stones at her until she's dead. On the Stein Them list, lurkers and those who normally rely on Judy to come up with their putdowns for them can pass along *her* putdowns as if they were theirs, and effectively Stein the transgressors instead of stoning them. Much more humane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Soccer: octopussy Paul's prediction!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Paul predicted Spain shall beat Germany! The latter badly needs more YFfers? :/ T'would've been kewl, if Paul had chosen the Winner, Netherlands! Unfortunately He chose Spain; everybody even down in Texas knows, that the Superradiance from Vlodrop makes Netherlands practically invincible! I guess invincible doesn't mean quite what it used to, eh Card? :-) If one were to try to associate the World Cup results with the number of practitioners of a particular path or meditation in the country (as you seem to be doing above), it kinda looks like the Woo Woo generated by one Off The Program guy living in Spain and practicing Buddhist forms of meditation kicks the butt of all those TMSPers bouncing on their butts in The Netherlands. :-) Well, shark vs octopus (not Paul Knewman, though): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9A-oxUMAy8 :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
So, it's all about Judy. TurquoiseB: I'm seeing it as more of an exercise in codependent voyeurism than anything else. He misses Judy shout- ing REEEAAALLLY STOOOPID over and over. After all, it can't be that she's sent him emails privately, because she's claimed that she's away until Friday, we all know that Judy Never Lies. That's what she says, anyway. Then again, many people here feel that Maharishi never lied, either. Might I suggest an alternative solution? One that is not just a sneaky way to try to circumvent the posting limit? Next time Judy gets so emotionally attached to a subject as to post out early, she can take it to email. That is, she can create a private email list in which she stays in touch with her loyal codependents...uh...I mean fans, and feeds them her devastating and brilliant putdowns. The members of the private email list can then post them as if they'd thought of these things themselves. Voila... problem solved. After all, it's not as if Judy hasn't thought of this herself. She has claimed several times in the past that those who are...uh...less than fans do this all the time, and that her enemies privately email each other to exchange the best get Judy strategies. So clearly she has no problem with the idea in theory; after all, she thought it up. I can even think of a timely name for this private email list, Stein Them It's a reference to the current news story about the Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death by stoning. In that country, the offending woman is buried in the dirt up to her neck and passersby are encouraged to throw stones at her until she's dead. On the Stein Them list, lurkers and those who normally rely on Judy to come up with their putdowns for them can pass along *her* putdowns as if they were theirs, and effectively Stein the transgressors instead of stoning them. Much more humane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
Correction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3xddff7 Please note that this is on the OFFICIAL SAI BABA WEBSITE. I had been told in the past that this was a website paid for and generated by Sai Baba's organization, but a search of it finds no such official attribution, and in fact an explicit claim that it's not. Still, it's a pretty remarkable site, which I recommend to those interested in guru highjinks and how some TB guru followers respond to them. The home page: http://www.saisathyasai.com/ The Contact page is remarkably revealing in its use of threats and paranoia: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/disclaimer.shtml Whether officially sanctioned by the Sai Baba org or not, this website is an example of what lies at the bottom of the slippery slope that seekers head down when they choose to go the route of shoot the messenger. Who -- except Nabby, of course -- could read this and come away thinking, Wow...that is sure one *spiritual* organ- ization! I just can't *wait* to become part of it and learn to think like these true spiritual seekers think? Now think about the impression created in lurkers by those who have dedicated YEARS OF THEIR LIVES to trying to practice shoot the messenger on FFL and a.m.t. posters who criticize Maharishi or TM or the TMO. What are they THINKING to believe that this is a spiritual thing to do and will be perceived as one? So far (probably due to its limited availability), I have seen no shoot the messenger responses to Judith's book from the TMO. I *have* seen attempts by official TM spokes- persons to demonize and discredit David Sieveking for his film David Wants To Fly, including threatened lawsuits and attempts to get the premiere of the film canceled. I am merely suggesting proactively that folks really don't want to go there. Doing so is a classically dumb method of shooting yourself (and the teacher or org you are trying to protect) in the foot. Do you really want to be thought of the way that you probably thought of the person who created the Pro-Sai site above? There ain't nuthin' pro about it, only con, as in con job. People use the word 'guru' because 'charlatan' is so hard to spell. - Peter Drucker
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
Conny and Judith are friends and both live in Sweden. According to my sources, Connie and Judith are in bed together most of the time. They seem to be two highly charged individuals, to say the least! Apparently they both want to be like the Maharishi, to be 'gurus' themselves. I wouldn't be surprised to see them giving tantric workshops in Sedona, Arizona any day now. Referring to my statement he said that I was 'unstressing' the karma that was 'coming from me'. From then, I gave him his last nightly massage, kissed his feet, and left him. - Connie Larsson Read more: Subject: God's Little Clown Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: May 26, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/ybo2zx9
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
Hahahahaa! the love saga continues. From: WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 13 July, 2010 7:44:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits So, it's all about Judy. TurquoiseB: I'm seeing it as more of an exercise in codependent voyeurism than anything else. He misses Judy shout- ing REEEAAALLLY STOOOPID over and over. After all, it can't be that she's sent him emails privately, because she's claimed that she's away until Friday, we all know that Judy Never Lies. That's what she says, anyway. Then again, many people here feel that Maharishi never lied, either. Might I suggest an alternative solution? One that is not just a sneaky way to try to circumvent the posting limit? Next time Judy gets so emotionally attached to a subject as to post out early, she can take it to email. That is, she can create a private email list in which she stays in touch with her loyal codependents...uh...I mean fans, and feeds them her devastating and brilliant putdowns. The members of the private email list can then post them as if they'd thought of these things themselves. Voila... problem solved. After all, it's not as if Judy hasn't thought of this herself. She has claimed several times in the past that those who are...uh...less than fans do this all the time, and that her enemies privately email each other to exchange the best get Judy strategies. So clearly she has no problem with the idea in theory; after all, she thought it up. I can even think of a timely name for this private email list, Stein Them It's a reference to the current news story about the Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death by stoning. In that country, the offending woman is buried in the dirt up to her neck and passersby are encouraged to throw stones at her until she's dead. On the Stein Them list, lurkers and those who normally rely on Judy to come up with their putdowns for them can pass along *her* putdowns as if they were theirs, and effectively Stein the transgressors instead of stoning them. Much more humane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mel Gibson phones Colin Farrell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: All this focus on the feet of clay stuff is causing the Mel Gibson meltdown to get shorter shrift on FFL than it's getting in the media. I figured I'd correct this by posting this *very* clever mini-movie found on Funny Or Die: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6dd44f4768/mel-gibson-calls-colin-farrell Interestingly, all of the voices you hear in this clip are really spoken by either Mel Gibson or Colin Farrell, the latter from the film Phone Booth. All that the clever editor had to do was edit out Kiefer Sutherland's voice from the real soundtrack and replace it with Mel's voice from an embarrassingly-made-public recording of a phone message left for his ex Oksana. That said, and because...uh...someone on this forum call- ing Mel Gibson a Christian bigot over a film of his she had never seen is NEVER gonna get old :-), I've enjoyed some of his movies, *as movies*, including Apocalypto. Similarly, I have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy some of Roman Polanski's movies, *as movies*. Theoretically, those TM fans who are now saying that MMY being sort of an asshole for lying about his sexual pro- clivities should not have any impact on whether or not they continue to appreciate his spiritual teachings should be able to understand that I can easily recognize Mel Gibson's and Roman Polanski's assholiness and still like their work. Theoretically. Will Edg come roaring in to say that anyone who likes a Polanski movie is as evil as he is, or will the Judester come roaring in to say that anyone who likes a Mel Gibson movie is as much of an asshole as he is? Only time will tell... Barry is drunk again. He imagines (theoretically hedging his bets) that the people he dislikes, namely Edg, Judy and and probably me, will call him an asshole for liking the accomplishments of assholes. Wrong, Barry is an asshole because that's his thang. He avoids making a distinction between the behavior of a pedophile, a misogynistic/racist and a guy who has illicit affairs. He lumps them all together to imply there is a moral equivalency, then dares you to call him an asshole for saying it's possible to like their accomplishments. Non sequitur, much? Indeed. Saying Mel Gibson got short shrift on FFL is bait, of course. It's obvious that the media has emphasized far more the racist elements of Gibson's rant than his outright misogyny. No surprise there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: puja video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MinP min.pige@ wrote: Would someone direct me to where i can see the puja on video? i thought there was one where MMY did the puja... that would be great but as long as it's the puja, i would super appreciate it. i'm most interested in hearing it. i have the printed words. thank you ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YNQNx0l9TQ Thank you, Alex.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty... Joe: Conny Larson was one of MMY's assistants that Judith knew during the time she was in Europe with Maharishi... It's not that difficult at all, Joe, to doubt Judith's claims. Judith is apparently one of the discredited 'Licensed Teacher of Vedic Mantra Meditation' and was trained by Connie Larsson. That immediately leads me to doubt anything Judith says about anyone. Apparently Judith is a New Age spiritual teacher - a Neo-Advaitin and rumor monger of the first degree. Nothing either of these characters can be believed. I'm surprised you'd spend $37 for trash like this. Connie and Judith's names are mud all over the internet! Go figure. You really showed a lot of loyalty to the Maharishi by posting to TM-Free, Joe. You really suck as a spiritual teacher! Apparently keeping your promise to your guru dev means nothing to you - you failed to keep the teaching pure. You're about on the same level as another 'God's Little Clown'! 'Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay' TM-Free Blogspot, Thursday, July 08, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/29xrepl According to Connie, Judith has been kicked out of Connie's 'Vedic Mantra Meditation' cult due to her lying about Connie. Besides being a devotee of the Maharishi, Sai Baba, and Connie, Judith wants you to believe that she is a 'psychic trance medium'. Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque are also devotees of the Indian Gurus Amma Kalki Bhagavan. Can you believe that? Judith Bourque - Alternative Therapist: http://tinyurl.com/27vfpku Those who have left Maharishi and Sai Baba are hoping that Kalki (Avatar) will now be their image of God. They will find in time that they have lost everything on the journey, partner, home, children and money. Alas, they dare not listen to their own voices. - Conny Larsson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
Hi Rick, Turns out that John Theobald aka John Lasher is in reality Gerald Joe Moreno of Las Cruces, New Mexico.. an internet character assassinator of all who dissent from Sai Baba and other gurus he admires (eg. Swami Premananda serving double life sentence in India for rape and murder). Someone private e-mailed me with this information last night. Joe --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnlasher20002000 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H http://sai-fi.net/satyababa/?cat=190 These are some of the blogs from the Sai Baba site. I don't know if it's the same Judith Bourque Who wrote the book about MMY but it seems the site is accusing Conny Larsson of trying to discredit Sai Baba and the same site mentions the connections and involvement of Judith Bourque. I don't know if we're talking about the same people or not, or what the situation they're talking about, but it struck me as coincidence. Conny and Judith are friends and both live in Sweden.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits
Um.. music and lyrics more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RESRl39ZYns From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 13 July, 2010 9:21:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Hahahahaa! the love saga continues. In a way. I can laugh at myself over my part in it. So I can definitely see the whole saga as a kind of twisted soap opera love/hate drama. But naturally I prefer other interpretations that appeal more to my less-than-a-drama-queen predilection. Like a kinda multi-lifetime Showdown At The OK Corral filmed by Mel Brooks, or something like that. :-) Or, if I were to believe in a God, given the plethora of traditional descriptions of God available to me on planet Earth, I would could definitely identify with the role of Coyote. Coyote, like Loki before him, was a Trickster God. He delighted in fucking with humans' minds. I openly confess to suspecting that my mother was not quite the bastion of fidelity she claimed to be and that Coyote may have been my real father. I have noticed that the Judester is given to denying that she does things whilst in the midst of doing those very things. Like getting so emotionally invested in an issue that she makes 45 posts in two days, while denying that she has any investment in the issue. So, having obsessed that heavily early in this week, I kinda figure that she's gonna roll back into Dodge this coming week with a six-gun on her hip and a chip on her shoulder, spoilin' for a fight. And she should have something to fight *over*. So I made a few...uh... provocative posts this morning to give her something to obsess over. Until she hits the 50 mark on Monday, that is. :-) I am evil, I confess it, the bad guy wearing a black hat in the gunfight. Or just playful, like Coyote. Your call. I am just playfully predicting that next week will be more like the Wild West and The Showdown At The OK Corral than it is the plain of Kurukshetra. Below I make my musical case for the OK Corral theory; Judy is more than free to post similar songs portraying her actions as more like the Bhagavad-Gita and noble dharma. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwlY6mXy0qs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw_g8BpdCQw From: WillyTex willy...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 13 July, 2010 7:44:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question about post limits So, it's all about Judy. TurquoiseB: I'm seeing it as more of an exercise in codependent voyeurism than anything else. He misses Judy shout- ing REEEAAALLLY STOOOPID over and over. After all, it can't be that she's sent him emails privately, because she's claimed that she's away until Friday, we all know that Judy Never Lies. That's what she says, anyway. Then again, many people here feel that Maharishi never lied, either. Might I suggest an alternative solution? One that is not just a sneaky way to try to circumvent the posting limit? Next time Judy gets so emotionally attached to a subject as to post out early, she can take it to email. That is, she can create a private email list in which she stays in touch with her loyal codependents...uh...I mean fans, and feeds them her devastating and brilliant putdowns. The members of the private email list can then post them as if they'd thought of these things themselves. Voila... problem solved. After all, it's not as if Judy hasn't thought of this herself. She has claimed several times in the past that those who are...uh...less than fans do this all the time, and that her enemies privately email each other to exchange the best get Judy strategies. So clearly she has no problem with the idea in theory; after all, she thought it up. I can even think of a timely name for this private email list, Stein Them It's a reference to the current news story about the Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death by stoning. In that country, the offending woman is buried in the dirt up to her neck and passersby are encouraged to throw stones at her until she's dead. On the Stein Them list, lurkers and those who normally rely on Judy to come up with their putdowns for them can pass along *her* putdowns as if they were theirs, and effectively Stein the transgressors instead of stoning them. Much more humane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
This book about MMY has upset you greatly hasn't it Tex? I understand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Conny and Judith are friends and both live in Sweden. According to my sources, Connie and Judith are in bed together most of the time. They seem to be two highly charged individuals, to say the least! Apparently they both want to be like the Maharishi, to be 'gurus' themselves. I wouldn't be surprised to see them giving tantric workshops in Sedona, Arizona any day now. Referring to my statement he said that I was 'unstressing' the karma that was 'coming from me'. From then, I gave him his last nightly massage, kissed his feet, and left him. - Connie Larsson Read more: Subject: God's Little Clown Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: May 26, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/ybo2zx9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
You spoke just a minute too soon Barry. Check out WillyTex's attempted smear of Judith going on now. Classic shoot-the-messenger stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Correction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3xddff7 Please note that this is on the OFFICIAL SAI BABA WEBSITE. I had been told in the past that this was a website paid for and generated by Sai Baba's organization, but a search of it finds no such official attribution, and in fact an explicit claim that it's not. Still, it's a pretty remarkable site, which I recommend to those interested in guru highjinks and how some TB guru followers respond to them. The home page: http://www.saisathyasai.com/ The Contact page is remarkably revealing in its use of threats and paranoia: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/disclaimer.shtml Whether officially sanctioned by the Sai Baba org or not, this website is an example of what lies at the bottom of the slippery slope that seekers head down when they choose to go the route of shoot the messenger. Who -- except Nabby, of course -- could read this and come away thinking, Wow...that is sure one *spiritual* organ- ization! I just can't *wait* to become part of it and learn to think like these true spiritual seekers think? Now think about the impression created in lurkers by those who have dedicated YEARS OF THEIR LIVES to trying to practice shoot the messenger on FFL and a.m.t. posters who criticize Maharishi or TM or the TMO. What are they THINKING to believe that this is a spiritual thing to do and will be perceived as one? So far (probably due to its limited availability), I have seen no shoot the messenger responses to Judith's book from the TMO. I *have* seen attempts by official TM spokes- persons to demonize and discredit David Sieveking for his film David Wants To Fly, including threatened lawsuits and attempts to get the premiere of the film canceled. I am merely suggesting proactively that folks really don't want to go there. Doing so is a classically dumb method of shooting yourself (and the teacher or org you are trying to protect) in the foot. Do you really want to be thought of the way that you probably thought of the person who created the Pro-Sai site above? There ain't nuthin' pro about it, only con, as in con job. People use the word 'guru' because 'charlatan' is so hard to spell. - Peter Drucker
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: You spoke just a minute too soon Barry. Duh. Have I not used the word proactive in describing my intent in making these avoid the problem before it arises posts? :-) OF COURSE some people are going to do Shoot the messenger in all of this. Look at the financial and emotional investment people have in preserving the perfect PR image of the person the message might cause doubts about. Check out WillyTex's attempted smear of Judith going on now. Classic shoot-the-messenger stuff. Yup. As some have never figured out, I sometimes am given to writing about what certain people are *going to do*, based on their posting his- tory, before they've done it. Interestingly, many of the people I run this number on -- even the Professional Troll known as Willytex -- have never figured out what I'm doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Correction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3xddff7 Please note that this is on the OFFICIAL SAI BABA WEBSITE. I had been told in the past that this was a website paid for and generated by Sai Baba's organization, but a search of it finds no such official attribution, and in fact an explicit claim that it's not. Still, it's a pretty remarkable site, which I recommend to those interested in guru highjinks and how some TB guru followers respond to them. The home page: http://www.saisathyasai.com/ The Contact page is remarkably revealing in its use of threats and paranoia: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/disclaimer.shtml Whether officially sanctioned by the Sai Baba org or not, this website is an example of what lies at the bottom of the slippery slope that seekers head down when they choose to go the route of shoot the messenger. Who -- except Nabby, of course -- could read this and come away thinking, Wow...that is sure one *spiritual* organ- ization! I just can't *wait* to become part of it and learn to think like these true spiritual seekers think? Now think about the impression created in lurkers by those who have dedicated YEARS OF THEIR LIVES to trying to practice shoot the messenger on FFL and a.m.t. posters who criticize Maharishi or TM or the TMO. What are they THINKING to believe that this is a spiritual thing to do and will be perceived as one? So far (probably due to its limited availability), I have seen no shoot the messenger responses to Judith's book from the TMO. I *have* seen attempts by official TM spokes- persons to demonize and discredit David Sieveking for his film David Wants To Fly, including threatened lawsuits and attempts to get the premiere of the film canceled. I am merely suggesting proactively that folks really don't want to go there. Doing so is a classically dumb method of shooting yourself (and the teacher or org you are trying to protect) in the foot. Do you really want to be thought of the way that you probably thought of the person who created the Pro-Sai site above? There ain't nuthin' pro about it, only con, as in con job. People use the word 'guru' because 'charlatan' is so hard to spell. - Peter Drucker
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WillyTex Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H Apparently Judith is a New Age spiritual teacher - a Neo-Advaitin and rumor monger of the first degree. Nothing either of these characters can be believed. I'm surprised you'd spend $37 for trash like this. Connie and Judith's names are mud all over the internet! Go figure. Why don't you read the book before you judge it Willy? Or can't you afford the $37? Apparently keeping your promise to your guru dev means nothing to you - you failed to keep the teaching pure. Are you addressing Maharishi here? Sounds like it.
[FairfieldLife] Stop stoning, save Sakineh!
Stop stoning, save Sakineh! 15 people are on death row awaiting death by stoning in Iran, but yesterday a woman was saved from this brutal killing by a massive international campaign. Global voices of condemnation saved her from stoning. Now I just signed an urgent petition to the Iranian government to put an end this sickening brutality once and for all and I thought you would want to join me. http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_stoning/98.php?CLICKTF --- Dear Friends, Last week an Iranian woman, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, was saved by global protests from being stoned to death. But she may still be hanged -- and, meanwhile, execution by stoning continues. Right now fifteen more people are on death row awaiting stoning in which victims are buried up to their necks in the ground and then large rocks are thrown at their heads. The partial reprieve of Sakineh, triggered by the call from her children for international pressure to save her life, has shown that if enough of us come together and voice our horror, we may be able to save her life, and stop stoning once and for all. Sign the urgent petition now and send it onto everyone you know -- let's end this cruel slaughter NOW! http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_stoning/98.php?CLICKTF Sakineh was convicted of adultery, like all the other 12 women and one of the men awaiting stoning. But her children and lawyer say she is innocent and that she did not get a fair trial -- they state her confession was forced from her and, speaking only Azerbaijani, she did not understand what was being asked of her in court. Despite Iran's signing of a UN convention that requires the death penalty only be used for the most serious crimes and despite the Iranian Parliament passing a law banning stoning last year, stoning for adultery continues. Sakineh's lawyer says the Iranian government is afraid of Iranian public reaction and international attention to the stoning cases. And after Turkey and Britain's Foreign Ministers spoke out against Sakineh's sentence, it was suspended. Sakineh's brave children are leading the international campaign to save their mother and stop stoning. Massive international condemnation now could finally stop this sickening punishment. Let's join together today across the world to end this brutality. Sign the petition to save Sakineh and end stoning here: http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_stoning/98.php?CLICKTF In hope and determination, Alice, David, Milena, Ben and the whole Avaaz team SOURCES: Iranians still facing death by stoning despite 'reprieve', The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/08/iran-death-stoning-adultery Britain condemns planned Iran stoning as 'medieval', AFP: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hjVdkvkzicGeInqw2R10rCKrq s3A
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Hi Rick, Turns out that John Theobald aka John Lasher is in reality Gerald Joe Moreno of Las Cruces, New Mexico.. an internet character assassinator of all who dissent from Sai Baba and other gurus he admires (eg. Swami Premananda serving double life sentence in India for rape and murder). Inmates in the prison refuse to be released. Swami Premananda has turned the prison into an Ashram. Ofcourse He never did what is accused of, it's just mafia-corruption from politicians that take 100 US dollars for every foreigner that visits Him. One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there. Hi Nabby. Nice to hear from you. I've been meaning to ask you about this rumor-monger thing. You've been calling me that for years. Now that the primary rumor I was mongering turns out not to have been a rumor, and you've shifted your story from it didn't happen to it didn't matter, because his robes were white, not ochre, what rumors are you now alluding to in continuing to use the term?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
LOL, was that Majorca, be either a householder or a monk? I heard the same thing, directly from him. Hotel Samoa, fall of '71. From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 8:58:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: When was this? Did he say this to you? I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate, same as he did many men around me at the time which was 1973. Interestingly, although I heard him advise many other guys to be celibate, he never suggested that to me. Perhaps the reason was because of my obvious reaction when he gave a certain talk. He said, There are only two viable paths in life: the celibate monk and the married householder. Anything else is a waste of life. I laughed out loud, because in the TMO at the time, and its then-new M group (which I obviously was not destined for), I finally knew which group I belonged in -- I was in the Waste Of Life group. :-) In retrospect, *by his own standards*, it looks as if he was a member of the Waste Of Life group, too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the world always needs more monks, Majorca '71, however, he soured on giving formal vows at one point saying westerners didn't take it seriously enough. Seems some were floating back and forth between householder and Monkeying around. I do remember him saying not to take vows too quickly, although that may have been sannyasin vows, which he never gave. I don't doubt he told a lot of people to be celibate and probably for different reasons. I have a feeling that may have been a *standard* instruction, if asked, for gay people. A friend told me he heard M say if they don't stop doing what they are doing, even I won't be able to help them. That was a pre-HIV time. From: Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 8:05:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand When was this? Did he say this to you? I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate, same as he did many men around me at the time which was 1973. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I heard Devindra died many years ago of complications from diabetes and Satyanand died as well, more recently. Perhaps Satyanand had accomplished some sense of *enlightenment*, M had been referring to him as Shri Satyanand. As for the Brahmacharya vows, At one point M discouraged it saying, better to take the vows when really ready as opposed to too soon because it was very serious to brake those vows. He also used to say he spoke from a level of experience, which leads me to question if M ever really took formal Brahmacharya vows or chose not to in light of his own *alleged* experiences. From: Joe geezerfr...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 5:44:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Divindra and Sattyanand  All this talk of being (or NOT being) a brahmachari these past few days, has me wondering what became of MMY's two most famous Indian Brahmachari's, Divindra and Sattyanand. I recall reading a sad story about Divindrathat he, after being abandon by MMY, ended up being a waiter in an Indian restaurant in London. Is this correct? And where did I read that story? And how about Bramachary Sattyanand?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! From: WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:54:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Joe: I recall reading a sad story about Divindra... The last I heard, Davindra got kicked out of the TMO by the Maharishi for having sexual relations with Judith and Jennifer, after the Yogi ran his sweaty hands all over them under their saris. What in the hell was going on inside that guy Davindra's head - going around with a scraggly beard, long hair, dressed in a white bed sheet, screwing all the women on TTC, and aping the Maharishi like that? Why pay all that money and spend all that time in a hot, steamy, fly-infested, daub-and-wattle hut, out in the Indian jungle, just to get some 'Kama Sutra' action? And, what did the Maharishi think he was doing, promising all those young girls that they would get 'enlightened in 5-7 years', when all they really wanted to do was have a quick tumble on a straw mat and an antelope skin? It just doesn't make any sense, Joe! All this going on right under your own nose - where were you, in bed too? Read more: Subject: Re: Brahmachari Devendra From: ColdBluICE Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: October 20, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/37mr4bo PRANAMS AND PROSTRATIONS... walla-, OH *Shamless Withholder of Valuable Information* Please preach to us and advise why-, 'YOU withhold your Personal Worship of Hindu Gods?'
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the world always needs more monks, Majorca '71, however, he soured on giving formal vows at one point saying westerners didn't take it seriously enough. He did give formal vows to some. Ironic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
That would be highly unlikely Willy for obvious reasons if you do even a tiny bit of research. Judith and Conny did find common ground with each other in that they both slept with their gurus. No one is forcing you to believe anything Willy. If it makes you too uncomfortable, don't read the book and hold on to your favored beliefs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Conny and Judith are friends and both live in Sweden. According to my sources, Connie and Judith are in bed together most of the time. They seem to be two highly charged individuals, to say the least!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: LOL, was that Majorca, be either a householder or a monk? I heard the same thing, directly from him. Hotel Samoa, fall of '71. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/ maharishi1.shtml
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:  I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! From: WillyTex willy...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:54:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand  Joe: I recall reading a sad story about Divindra... The last I heard, Davindra got kicked out of the TMO by the Maharishi for having sexual relations with Judith and Jennifer, after the Yogi ran his sweaty hands all over them under their saris. What in the hell was going on inside that guy Davindra's head - going around with a scraggly beard, long hair, dressed in a white bed sheet, screwing all the women on TTC, and aping the Maharishi like that? Why pay all that money and spend all that time in a hot, steamy, fly-infested, daub-and-wattle hut, out in the Indian jungle, just to get some 'Kama Sutra' action? And, what did the Maharishi think he was doing, promising all those young girls that they would get 'enlightened in 5-7 years', when all they really wanted to do was have a quick tumble on a straw mat and an antelope skin? It just doesn't make any sense, Joe! All this going on right under your own nose - where were you, in bed too? Read more: Subject: Re: Brahmachari Devendra From: ColdBluICE Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: October 20, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/37mr4bo PRANAMS AND PROSTRATIONS... walla-, OH *Shamless Withholder of Valuable Information* Please preach to us and advise why-, 'YOU withhold your Personal Worship of Hindu Gods?'
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1.shtml Interesting. He says I did renounce the world because I wanted to live a spiritual life.. But then I found that spiritual life is not dependent on renouncing the world.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. I wonder if he looks lighter than most Indians. There should be a photo of him online. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:  I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make!
[FairfieldLife] O Lucky Me!
One of the films from the 1970s that made an impression on me was O Lucky Man!, a 1973 film with Malcolm McDowell, Helen Mirren and Ralph Richardson. It's kind one of these let's get stoned and make a movie that came out around that era. I was impressed enough I once almost bought a 2 tape VHS version but DVD was out at the time so thought I would wait for it. Last night I watched the almost 3 hour epic on DVD that I rented from Netflix. Tonight I will run it through again with the commentary on to see what was behind the making of this film. The story is about a young coffee salesman and the evils of capitalism (you can see why this would be my cuppa tea). Holds up well though I always thought it sort of got weak towards the end: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070464/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Interesting. He says “I did renounce the world because I wanted to live a spiritual life…. But then I found that spiritual life is not dependent on renouncing the world.” IIRC that's a theme in either his Gita 1-6 comment or the appendices. 'All you need is TM 2 x 20 and that transcendent being integrated into activity is all the renunciation one needs.' Just buy TM and use it, you don't need to leave the world. To me that was basic TM dogma and a major selling point.
[FairfieldLife] America Grows Up
About time! NEW YORK — A federal appeals court on Tuesday tossed out a government policy that can lead to broadcasters being fined for allowing even a single curse word on live television, concluding that the rule was unconstitutionally vague and had a chilling effect on broadcasters. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan struck down the 2004 Federal Communications Commission policy, which said that profanity referring to sex or excrement is always indecent. More here: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38227020/ns/today-entertainment/ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! Think about it Mike: there's a huge caste problem with that theory. Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second you utter your surname, you're pegged. The Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. No other castes need apply. No other castes would be teaching in that tradition, let alone standing as one of it's line- holders.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: predators
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: ---Fairly creative rendition of an ongoing series with a setup for another. http://paralleluniverse.msn.com/across-the-universe/predators/ I watched this yesterday, and despite being a Robert Rodriguez fanboy (he produced) and the curious phen- omenon of reinventing Adrian Brody as a ripped, muscled action star, I was a little underwhelmed. As much as I hate to say it given his politics, the original Predators with Ahnold in it is still the only one of the franchise worth watching. Plot holes in this one big enough to drive Ahnold's Hummer through. Good action scenes, if that's enough for you in an action movie, but not enough meat for me, character-wise and story-wise. Besides, I was really cheesed off that one of my fave Rodriguez alumni Danny Trejo had such a...uh...short-lived role. I would have preferred seeing him in the Adrian Brody role. But I guess we still have to wait for Machete to see him do his star turn. Can't wait. It didn't particularly get good reviews over the weekend but I may still see it this afternoon partly because I'm puzzled at why my nearby theater is only listing Thru Tuesday on all their films and nothing listed beyond. Hope they aren't going out of business. Could just be whoever takes care of their web site is on vacation and nothing go updated. This is an 8 screen all digital theater and one of the very few all digital theaters in the Bay Area. In fact I couldn't believe it when it went all digital. I also watched Eclipse on Bluray the other night and thought it was one of the best films I've seen over the last year.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the world always needs more monks, Majorca '71, however, he soured on giving formal vows at one point saying westerners didn't take it seriously enough. He did give formal vows to some. Ironic. Then we have the Indian astrologer who visiting the US commented on what BAD marriage karma in many of the charts of westerners. Some even recommended having flings or live ins but marriage wasn't going to work. Some folks even extrapolated that this was due to Indian monks incarnating here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Yes, he did give formal vows, in the beginning,maybe even up till the early 70's, but I was told later he stopped it, or may have been much more selective to whom he gave them. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 10:34:26 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the world always needs more monks, Majorca '71, however, he soured on giving formal vows at one point saying westerners didn't take it seriously enough. He did give formal vows to some. Ironic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: She nails it!
IF she would've shut up, I would have given her a *6*. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:38:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: She nails it! What can we say about this clip? She's actually fairly good looking. But that's an opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
According to my sources, Connie and Judith are in bed together most of the time. They seem to be two highly charged individuals, to say the least! Joe: This book about MMY has upset you greatly hasn't it... Probably not as much upset as you. The Maharishi was your guru. You spent how many dollars and how much time training to be a 'spiritual teacher'? You fell for it - what was going on in your mind in those days that led you to believe that you would be able to spiritually regenerate the entire planet in 5-7 years? Bottom line is Judith broke her promise to keep the teaching pure - she didn't keep her word after signing the Pledge to Guru Dev. She's no better than Connie Larsson, 'God's Little Clown', in my opinion.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WillyTex Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay You fell for it - what was going on in your mind in those days that led you to believe that you would be able to spiritually regenerate the entire planet in 5-7 years? You didn't fall for it? Bottom line is Judith broke her promise to keep the teaching pure - she didn't keep her word after signing the Pledge to Guru Dev. She's no better than Connie Larsson, 'God's Little Clown', in my opinion. In what way did she break it? By writing this book? I don't remember such a stipulation in that pledge. Isn't MMY's breaking of his pledge a bit more serious?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
I did think about it... often and that was my justification for not believing it for so long. But, M was never married and that doesn't mean he couldn't have been sowing some *vedic oates* as he did with *out caste*schicksa women, allegedly, on courses. Not sure if there is a vedic injunction about Shankaracharyas being *legitimate*, birth-wise. At the time of his birth, M would have had enough money to take care of the mother and her child for life, along with his Guru who replaced Shantinanda. If the child took his mother's last name, would he not be considered a Brahmin?M has never had a problem taking care of his own, be it family or Shankaracharyas. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:59:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! Think about it Mike: there's a huge caste problem with that theory. Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second you utter your surname, you're pegged. The Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. No other castes need apply. No other castes would be teaching in that tradition, let alone standing as one of it's line-holders.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
So far (probably due to its limited availability), I have seen no shoot the messenger responses to Judith's book from the TMO. Joe: You spoke just a minute too soon Barry. Check out WillyTex's attempted smear of Judith going on now. Classic shoot-the-messenger stuff. You're the TMO, Joe! So, you are thinking that Judith was NOT a follower of Sai Baba? If she was, wouldn't that put her in the 'support the perv' camp? Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque are also devotees of the Indian Gurus Amma Kalki Bhagavan. What's up with that? Judith Bourque - Alternative Therapist: http://tinyurl.com/27vfpku
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Now that's funny! The same friend that I went to India with told me back in the 80's that some of the M jyotishis that came to his center wanted him to take them out to a titty bar! As I recall, I think he did! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 12:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the world always needs more monks, Majorca '71, however, he soured on giving formal vows at one point saying westerners didn't take it seriously enough. He did give formal vows to some. Ironic. Then we have the Indian astrologer who visiting the US commented on what BAD marriage karma in many of the charts of westerners. Some even recommended having flings or live ins but marriage wasn't going to work. Some folks even extrapolated that this was due to Indian monks incarnating here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
According to my sources, Connie and Judith are in bed together most of the time Joe: That would be highly unlikely Willy for obvious reasons if you do even a tiny bit of research. According to my sources, Judith and Connie both like to screw their gurus and each other, but probably not at the same time. But, Judith is obviously attracted to Connie. Apparently Connie can't stand her guts anymore, because she posted lies about him on the internet. Judith and Conny did find common ground with each other in that they both slept with their gurus. Obviously these two are frauds and impostors. I wouldn't believe anything they say about anyone. Frankly, I'm surprised that you'd believe anything they say. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
There's this yogi thing I've read and heard about a number of times that even if the yogi is celibate a poor woman can approach them to father a child. Apparently part of that covenant is the woman can say nothing but in return she gets a bright child who she hopes will be able to take care of her later in life. Mike Dixon wrote: I did think about it... often and that was my justification for not believing it for so long. But, M was never married and that doesn't mean he couldn't have been sowing some *vedic oates* as he did with *out caste*schicksa women, allegedly, on courses. Not sure if there is a vedic injunction about Shankaracharyas being *legitimate*, birth-wise. At the time of his birth, M would have had enough money to take care of the mother and her child for life, along with his Guru who replaced Shantinanda. If the child took his mother's last name, would he not be considered a Brahmin?M has never had a problem taking care of his own, be it family or Shankaracharyas. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:59:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! Think about it Mike: there's a huge caste problem with that theory. Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second you utter your surname, you're pegged. The Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. No other castes need apply. No other castes would be teaching in that tradition, let alone standing as one of it's line-holders.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
TurquoiseB: Interestingly, many of the people I run this number on -- even the Professional Troll known as Willytex -- have never figured out what I'm doing... You're an expert at 'running numbers', having worked for Rama all those years. You're no better than Judith or Connie - selling all that snake oil and taking people for a ride. All you 'spiritual teachers' are running a con game. In Rama's case, there is no need to shoot the messenger - you already shot yourself many times. Judith shot herself when she started supporting Sai Baba. Why would you and Joe want to support Judith and Sai? What happened to all the money?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
What a Soap Opera that would make! Vaj: Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second you utter your surname, you're pegged. The Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. No other castes need apply. No other castes would be teaching in that tradition, let alone standing as one of it's line-holders. So, you didn't really get to sit at the feet of one of the Shankaracharyas. You probably weren't even allowed inside the same room with one, that is, unless you sneaked in. Is that how you got in? How long did they let you stay before they kicked you out?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Wasn't Shukadeva conceived in a boat out of wedlock? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 12:50:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand There's this yogi thing I've read and heard about a number of times that even if the yogi is celibate a poor woman can approach them to father a child. Apparently part of that covenant is the woman can say nothing but in return she gets a bright child who she hopes will be able to take care of her later in life. Mike Dixon wrote: I did think about it... often and that was my justification for not believing it for so long. But, M was never married and that doesn't mean he couldn't have been sowing some *vedic oates* as he did with *out caste*schicksa women, allegedly, on courses. Not sure if there is a vedic injunction about Shankaracharyas being *legitimate*, birth-wise. At the time of his birth, M would have had enough money to take care of the mother and her child for life, along with his Guru who replaced Shantinanda. If the child took his mother's last name, would he not be considered a Brahmin?M has never had a problem taking care of his own, be it family or Shankaracharyas. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:59:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! Think about it Mike: there's a huge caste problem with that theory. Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second you utter your surname, you're pegged. The Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. No other castes need apply. No other castes would be teaching in that tradition, let alone standing as one of it's line-holders.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
Nothing either of these characters can be believed. I'm surprised you'd spend $37 for trash like this Rick Archer: Why don't you read the book before you judge it Willy? Or can't you afford the $37? Why don't you read it, Rick?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the world always needs more monks, Majorca '71, however, he soured on giving formal vows at one point saying westerners didn't take it seriously enough. He did give formal vows to some. Ironic. Just because Rick Archer believes whatever he reads in a book doesn't mean it's true. He probably believes everything he reads in the newspapers also. How ironic.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Just because Rick Archer believes whatever he reads in a book doesn't mean it's true. He probably believes everything he reads in the newspapers also. How ironic. Let's both read the book Nabby, then we can discuss it more intelligently. You're in Sweden, right? Should be cheap for you.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WillyTex Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H Nothing either of these characters can be believed. I'm surprised you'd spend $37 for trash like this Rick Archer: Why don't you read the book before you judge it Willy? Or can't you afford the $37? Why don't you read it, Rick? It's in the mail. I probably will have read it by a week from now. Order your copy then we can discuss it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
The current shankaracharya of Jyotir Math is Swami Vasudevanand. He is in no way related to Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. I wonder if he looks lighter than most Indians. There should be a photo of him online. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:  I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there. Hi Nabby. Nice to hear from you. I've been meaning to ask you about this rumor-monger thing. You've been calling me that for years. Now that the primary rumor I was mongering turns out not to have been a rumor, and you've shifted your story from it didn't happen to it didn't matter, because his robes were white, not ochre, what rumors are you now alluding to in continuing to use the term? I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Got it now ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
Take a deep breath Willy boy. This topic clearly upsets you. If you are unable to process what is being presented, which despite all your efforts to muddy the water, is simply that Judith, along with several other girls, had sex with MMY in the late 60s and early 70s. The Conny Larson story is a separate matter, but as it happens, he ended up having regular sex with his guru (Sai Baba) after he left his position as one of MMY's skin boys and began to follow Sai Baba. That's it. If reading about this bothers you, ignore it. That's your prerogative. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: So far (probably due to its limited availability), I have seen no shoot the messenger responses to Judith's book from the TMO. Joe: You spoke just a minute too soon Barry. Check out WillyTex's attempted smear of Judith going on now. Classic shoot-the-messenger stuff. You're the TMO, Joe! So, you are thinking that Judith was NOT a follower of Sai Baba? If she was, wouldn't that put her in the 'support the perv' camp? Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque are also devotees of the Indian Gurus Amma Kalki Bhagavan. What's up with that? Judith Bourque - Alternative Therapist: http://tinyurl.com/27vfpku
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay
Again, deep breaths Willy. You're sounding a bit nuts. Probably better if you ignore this topic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: According to my sources, Connie and Judith are in bed together most of the time Joe: That would be highly unlikely Willy for obvious reasons if you do even a tiny bit of research. According to my sources, Judith and Connie both like to screw their gurus and each other, but probably not at the same time. But, Judith is obviously attracted to Connie. Apparently Connie can't stand her guts anymore, because she posted lies about him on the internet. Judith and Conny did find common ground with each other in that they both slept with their gurus. Obviously these two are frauds and impostors. I wouldn't believe anything they say about anyone. Frankly, I'm surprised that you'd believe anything they say. Go figure.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there. Hi Nabby. Nice to hear from you. I've been meaning to ask you about this rumor-monger thing. You've been calling me that for years. Now that the primary rumor I was mongering turns out not to have been a rumor, and you've shifted your story from it didn't happen to it didn't matter, because his robes were white, not ochre, what rumors are you now alluding to in continuing to use the term? I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, Don't believe a word of what? You haven't read the book. but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Because he wore white robes and not ochre? That's the only explanation you have offered so far as to why it would be OK. And you know what? It's actually OK in my book too, but maybe for different reasons. I'm fascinated by the complexity of the man, the issue of Guru/disciple relationships, the importance of accepting things as they are and then trying to make sense of them (or not trying to), vs. remaining in denial in order to preserve one's fantasies, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Randy, and you know this how? I can't say they are related either, however, I did hear this from the person that claims to have gotten directly from Vasudeva's shishya. As I said earlier, I thought there might be a mis-communication, but this friend swore by it and said in no way was it a misunderstanding. I chose not to believe it, but in the light of what is said here on FFL, I have to realize maybe my friend was right and I have been in denial about it all along. Who knows? I have to take the Beatle's attitude, M wasn't the God I thought he was, he's just a man, maybe a very special man, but a man very good at putting on a show. Still love him though! From: randyanand ra...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:44:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand The current shankaracharya of Jyotir Math is Swami Vasudevanand. He is in no way related to Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. I wonder if he looks lighter than most Indians. There should be a photo of him online. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:  I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
Using a position of power to have sex with your disciples is not OK in my book. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there. Hi Nabby. Nice to hear from you. I've been meaning to ask you about this rumor-monger thing. You've been calling me that for years. Now that the primary rumor I was mongering turns out not to have been a rumor, and you've shifted your story from it didn't happen to it didn't matter, because his robes were white, not ochre, what rumors are you now alluding to in continuing to use the term? I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, Don't believe a word of what? You haven't read the book. but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Because he wore white robes and not ochre? That's the only explanation you have offered so far as to why it would be OK. And you know what? It's actually OK in my book too, but maybe for different reasons. I'm fascinated by the complexity of the man, the issue of Guru/disciple relationships, the importance of accepting things as they are and then trying to make sense of them (or not trying to), vs. remaining in denial in order to preserve one's fantasies, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I did think about it... often and that was my justification for not believing it for so long. But, M was never married and that doesn't mean he couldn't have been sowing some *vedic oates* as he did with *out caste*schicksa women, allegedly, on courses. Not sure if there is a vedic injunction about Shankaracharyas being *legitimate*, birth-wise. At the time of his birth, M would have had enough money to take care of the mother and her child for life, along with his Guru who replaced Shantinanda. If the child took his mother's last name, would he not be considered a Brahmin?M has never had a problem taking care of his own, be it family or Shankaracharyas. It's definitely a colorful idea, but it seems to me to be a pretty patriarchal system. I always thought the Maharishi bought himself a Shankaracharya was at least somewhat tenable; heck you can't even get a landline in India without paying off someone, monthly. As colorful as the idea sounds I seriously doubt he could have fathered a Shankaracharya and have gotten away with it. Are you sure he didn't mean Mahesh was his spiritual father? Now that would be a little more believable. I think it's also helpful to realize, Mahesh was and is not held in the same high esteem in India that he was in the west. (Before someone states they recently flew to India and know darn well hordes of people fawn over Ole M's personage, yes I know, he has some followers there.)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H Using a position of power to have sex with your disciples is not OK in my book. True. A momentary lapse in judgementalism. But what I meant was that his flaws don't cause me to totally reject the man. I'm still very grateful to him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there. Hi Nabby. Nice to hear from you. I've been meaning to ask you about this rumor-monger thing. You've been calling me that for years. Now that the primary rumor I was mongering turns out not to have been a rumor, and you've shifted your story from it didn't happen to it didn't matter, because his robes were white, not ochre, what rumors are you now alluding to in continuing to use the term? I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, Don't believe a word of what? You haven't read the book. but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Because he wore white robes and not ochre? That's the only explanation you have offered so far as to why it would be OK. And you know what? It's actually OK in my book too, but maybe for different reasons. I'm fascinated by the complexity of the man, the issue of Guru/disciple relationships, the importance of accepting things as they are and then trying to make sense of them (or not trying to), vs. remaining in denial in order to preserve one's fantasies, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Using a position of power to have sex with your disciples is not OK in my book. How do you know He did ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
I'm with you there. A real paradox. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H Using a position of power to have sex with your disciples is not OK in my book. True. A momentary lapse in judgementalism. But what I meant was that his flaws don't cause me to totally reject the man. I'm still very grateful to him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H One has to be pretty naive, or steeped in rumor-monging like Rick Archer not to see what is going on there. Hi Nabby. Nice to hear from you. I've been meaning to ask you about this rumor-monger thing. You've been calling me that for years. Now that the primary rumor I was mongering turns out not to have been a rumor, and you've shifted your story from it didn't happen to it didn't matter, because his robes were white, not ochre, what rumors are you now alluding to in continuing to use the term? I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, Don't believe a word of what? You haven't read the book. but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Because he wore white robes and not ochre? That's the only explanation you have offered so far as to why it would be OK. And you know what? It's actually OK in my book too, but maybe for different reasons. I'm fascinated by the complexity of the man, the issue of Guru/disciple relationships, the importance of accepting things as they are and then trying to make sense of them (or not trying to), vs. remaining in denial in order to preserve one's fantasies, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: he's just a man, maybe a very special man, Ah, so you're still having trouble letting it all go! Concentrate more on the maybe and less on the special and you'll be headed in the right direction. Unless, of course, you consider a Hindoo Donald Trump special? ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yes, he did give formal vows, in the beginning,maybe even up till the early 70's, but I was told later he stopped it, or may have been much more selective to whom he gave them. And, of course, you realize from the POV of Swami Brahmananda we was never ever authorized to do such a thing, right? It was more a sign of how expanded his ego was at the time than it was his own tradition's acceptance of Mahesh-as-the-Brahmin guru. Really, in terms of his own tradition, what he was doing was heretical. Perhaps that appeals to your countercultural liberal side I guess...
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. Not really: President Obama's administration has been blamed for reckless spending that has put America into its debt hole. But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. They argue that Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending. The following chart presents the ugly truth. Take a look: http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4c28e8027f8b9ad40257/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif Article and links here: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6 SEE ALSO: ~ Where Today's Large Deficits Come From: Economic Downturn, Financial Rescues, and Bush-Era Policies Drive the Numbers ~ http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=viewid=3036 In the end, we as taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of Americans will pay for it if the country is still existing by then. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Joe wrote:
Take a deep breath Willy boy. This topic clearly upsets you.
If you are unable to process what is being presented, which despite all your
efforts to muddy the water, is simply that Judith, along with several other
girls, had sex with MMY in the late 60s and early 70s.
The Conny Larson story is a separate matter, but as it happens, he ended up
having regular sex with his guru (Sai Baba) after he left his position as one
of MMY's skin boys and began to follow Sai Baba.
Let's keep in mind, Conny actually had a book out before Judith Bourque ('The
Beatles, Maharishi and I' presumably waiting to be translated into English)
which is an exposé on Beatles-era Maheshian escapades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:49 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Got it now ? Yeah, you're a great rationalizer in deep need of some form of objective therapy. Your family should be having you hauled off to an exit counselor as we speak. (Any family members should feel free to contact me off-list for suggestions and/or assistance--I'm, of course, glad to assist.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
True for some but not all. Among the dashanami the giri line accepts non-brahmana. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! Think about it Mike: there's a huge caste problem with that theory. Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second you utter your surname, you're pegged. The Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. No other castes need apply. No other castes would be teaching in that tradition, let alone standing as one of it's line- holders.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Gita Commentary Chapters 8 and 9
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:56 PM, emptybill wrote: True for some but not all. Among the dashanami the giri line accepts non-brahmana. Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or historical that you could share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:49 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Got it now ? Yeah, you're a great rationalizer in deep need of some form of objective therapy. HaHa: Objective as in Buddhist I presume.
[FairfieldLife] Do you need a teacher?
This might be an interesting Teleseminar. Mariana Caplan is brilliant. Hello Dear Friend, I have had some deep dialogs Over the last several months With several wise and insightful friends About the need (or not) for having a teacher. Some people feel that it is essential To have one guide or teacher in order to evolve and live awakening for real. Others feel that we have grown beyond the age of the Guru And that we can become teachers to each other now. So, what is your take on this question? This is the topic of the blog this week You can read it here http://arjunaardagh.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/do-we-need-a-teacher/ click this link for the latest blog One of the most interesting and insightful people I know who talks about this is my good friend Mariana Caplan who wrote Half Way up the Mountain, and several other books about the student teacher relationship. Here latest book: Eyes Wide Open Has won five national awards. Please join Mariana and myself For a free teleseminar About The need for a teacher This Thursday July 15th, at 6pm PST Register here http://awakeningworldseminars.com/dialogs/071510register_a.htm click this link for the free seminar Feel free to forward this to any friends, who may find this an interesting topic All my best wishes for a wonderful summer, Arjuna Ardagh Awakening World LLC 13215 Red Dog Road Nevada City, CA 95959 United States https://awakespeak.infusionsoft.com/style/83300/custom-email-style.gif
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:49 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Got it now ? Yeah, you're a great rationalizer in deep need of some form of objective therapy. HaHa: Objective as in Buddhist I presume. What have you got against Buddhists Nabby. You're critical of them because MMY made some disparaging comments?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm
To Nabby: So why is Benjamin Creme not a nut-case? He's spreading rumors and lies about Maitreya. I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK in my book. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:49 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My point is; I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK in my book. Got it now ? Yeah, you're a great rationalizer in deep need of some form of objective therapy. HaHa: Objective as in Buddhist I presume.
Re: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
Ummm John... just now figurin' this out? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we as taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of Americans will pay for it if the country is still existing by then. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Actually I've lost interest in it. It's kind of fun to stay in touch with others who knew the trip though. I really could care less what anyone thinks of M or TM, that's' their business. However, I did enjoy it in my youth. Had wonderful experiences, went to lots of courses, made lots of friends, was determined to get enlightened,come hell or high water, knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, M was Next best thing to God on Earth... then I grew up. It was a wonderful trip. Whether all that has any baring on my future existence, or not, is yet to be seen. I'm just enjoying my retirement, taking it as it comes. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yes, he did give formal vows, in the beginning,maybe even up till the early 70's, but I was told later he stopped it, or may have been much more selective to whom he gave them. And, of course, you realize from the POV of Swami Brahmananda we was never ever authorized to do such a thing, right? It was more a sign of how expanded his ego was at the time than it was his own tradition's acceptance of Mahesh-as-the- Brahmin guru. Really, in terms of his own tradition, what he was doing was heretical. Perhaps that appeals to your countercultural liberal side I guess...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: predators
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: ---Fairly creative rendition of an ongoing series with a setup for another. http://paralleluniverse.msn.com/across-the-universe/predators/ I watched this yesterday, and despite being a Robert Rodriguez fanboy (he produced) and the curious phen- omenon of reinventing Adrian Brody as a ripped, muscled action star, I was a little underwhelmed. As much as I hate to say it given his politics, the original Predators with Ahnold in it is still the only one of the franchise worth watching. Plot holes in this one big enough to drive Ahnold's Hummer through. Good action scenes, if that's enough for you in an action movie, but not enough meat for me, character-wise and story-wise. Besides, I was really cheesed off that one of my fave Rodriguez alumni Danny Trejo had such a...uh...short-lived role. I would have preferred seeing him in the Adrian Brody role. But I guess we still have to wait for Machete to see him do his star turn. Can't wait. It was a Grindhouse movie as one could tell once the title popped up at the beginning and the music was very 1950's Grindhouse or like those sci-fi movies at the drive-ins back then. With that my expectations didn't run high that I might need to pick up my socks after the movie. I thought it was fine for what it was. The second Grindhouse movie this season will of course be Machete and I'm looking forward to it. I asked the kids at the theater why the listings were off and they said because we're getting a new movie tomorrow. Well that is one movie, The Sorcerer's Apprentice (in 3D of course) starting tomorrow so there was still no reason to have their web site listings screwed up but in this age of incompetence what can we expect?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
Mike, I can't say 100% certanty that there is no relation. However, I probably would have heard about it as I am very close friends with a number of his direct disciples. Up until the very end of Maharishi's life, my understanding is that Vasudevanand had very little to do with Maharishi. That did change in the last few years when Maharishi asked him to be involved with the Brahmananda trust. But up until then, there was not a lot of connections except maybe some ceremonial ones here and there. Vaj always likes to say that Vasudevanand was a bought Shankararcharya. But there is little eveidence of that either. My sources tell me that, yes, Maharishi gave Vasudevanand some money, but it was very little. And I do know for a fact that one time after Deepak left the movement, the Shankaracharya came to bless one of Deepak's big courses in India. Maharishi asked Vasudevanand not to go, but Vasudevanand went anyway. If he was truly bought, he never would have gone fearing Maharishi's donations would stop --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Randy, and you know this how? I can't say they are related either, however, I did hear this from the person that claims to have gotten directly from Vasudeva's shishya. As I said earlier, I thought there might be a mis-communication, but this friend swore by it and said in no way was it a misunderstanding. I chose not to believe it, but in the light of what is said here on FFL, I have to realize maybe my friend was right and I have been in denial about it all along. Who knows? I have to take the Beatle's attitude, M wasn't the God I thought he was, he's just a man, maybe a very special man, but a man very good at putting on a show. Still love him though! From: randyanand ra...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:44:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand  The current shankaracharya of Jyotir Math is Swami Vasudevanand. He is in no way related to Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. I wonder if he looks lighter than most Indians. There should be a photo of him online. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: à I hate to say this,à but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make!
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be listening. Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire forum and the country as a whole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Ummm John... just now figurin' this out? From: John jr_...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars  Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we as taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of Americans will pay for it if the country is still existing by then. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
As far as I am aware, Shankaracharyas are chosen by the various councils of brahmana-s and Shankaracharyas are Brahmanas. The fact that the Shankaracharyas are chosen by councils and counter-councils explains the disputed quality of most of these Shankaras. Roman Catholics and Orthodox ecclesiastical councils are paradigms of honesty and clarity compared to the competing claims of these various brahmana groups. As one friend (15 years in India) of mine put it most of the brahmanas are either pushing lines of software code or stealing rupee offerings off the puja trays. When not so vigorously engaged, they are down at the bar praising Lakshmi with each sip. Thus even the Bauddha-s now talk of Kali Yuga. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:56 PM, emptybill wrote: True for some but not all. Among the dashanami the giri line accepts non-brahmana. Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or historical that you could share?
[FairfieldLife] Possible Reason to Expand War to Pakistan
This development could lead to war in Pakistan. How come US politicians get suckered into this crap all the time? It appears that Karzai is just positioning himself between the Americans and his people. If things get worse, he can scram out of Afgahnistan for asylum in the US. This is another page from the Vietnam War fiasco. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/world/asia/14diplo.html?_r=1hp
