[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
Dear Rory, Thanks for your beautiful reply, I just finished watching the movie Inception, which explores the subconscious multi layered shared dreams, which is a little coincidental. My roommate rented the DVD and I got hooked on it after a while. I found the movie intellectually stimulating and fun but otherwise ridiculous...:-), my comments below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Dear Ravi, many thanks for replying! You say, Wounds looked real, the healer looked real till they were healed. Yes, quite true; it is all unreal, but this sounds much like what has here been called the Advaita shuffle -- an argument used by such luminaries as Charles Manson and various other gurus who cite the Absolute as grounds to excuse inexcusable behavior in the Relative. The guru says, Slay them all; who really dies? or more frequently, You say I stole your money and your wife -- well, really, it is all one and all a dream anyway, so who is *really* stealing and being stolen from, yada yada yada. *** IMO - Advaita is not a philosophy it is an experiential truth - an end result rather than a starting point for me, people who do think it as a philosophy do abuse it as you have quoted above. OTOH - IMHO again it doesn't mean the objective world is not real and that there are no morals, rules of conduct. For me The belief of I and mine are the maaya. Truth is different in different states of consciousness, and just because we know there is only one state of consciousness in reality, and everything is a dream in reality, still we take responsibility for our entire creation, and we respect the boundaries of our dream for those of Us who believe they have not yet awakened (and even for those who have). While we are beyond spacetime and beyond the three gunas, and delight equally in all of them, still those of Us who are dreaming and think they actually exist as separate Egos are also Us, and in terms of spacetime we tend to favor sattva as the most enlightening of the three gunas, and generally the most effective in awakening Us. It is sattva that in the end actually refines and clarifies the Egoic intellect enough for it finally to grasp the futility of spacetime and to see through its own projections to surrender into Us. *** You have stated it beautifully and I agree as I stated above. When you say, My Guru didn't follow the Obama plan :-) - she really poked my wounds, made me so miserable that I had no choice but to make an existential leap - it sounds perhaps as if you are (a) attempting to assume a Guru role for one who quite expressly has not entered into that contract with you, and (b) attempting to emulate your Guru's specific behavior, in a way that sounds rather like an abused kid justifying (and perpetuating) his parent's abuse: Hell, my Pappy beat me every day, and it made me the man I am today! I am overstating the case just to make my argument, you understand. :-) *** As I stated both the wounds and the healer turn out to be not real, so you are absolutely right on (a). (b)..LOL..not at all, as a logical corollary to answering true on (a) it clearly implies I have no interest in either emulating anyone's behavior or abusing anyone. There was a period at the end of May where I was under the grip of powerful Kundalini psychosis when I clearly went a little overboard but that's another story. In fact in my personal interactions I am mostly playful and if I am volunteering any spiritual advice I'm very gentle with most. If I had met Turq on a personal level being an Indian (a) I would have been very respectful considering his age and (b) would be very gentle. The interactions on this list belong to a different domain to me, being more impersonal and direct to the point. What I really mean to say is, it was not your Guru's poking of your wounds that healed you; it was Love loving You. Your wounds felt as if they were being poked because the pain-body gets stimulated by Love *as* it is being healed. The Love may feel like an attack to the pain-body, because it sees everything as an attack, but in truth Love is not an attack; Love is Love; Love is Self loving Self. *** You are spot-on sir !!! I felt more terrible in Amma's loving presence because my wounds were out in the open, it was oozing with pus and nauseating odor and I was forced to deal with it. So poking was nothing but her Love, love was poking, love was healing... There is no Turq per se, there is only Ravi-awareness masquerading as Turq. That Ravi-awareness remembers itself quickest when we look past the Turq-dream to embrace the Ravi-awareness within the Turq-dream *** Yes I'm ultimately poking fun at myself !!! It was a little boring when Turq was not around and I have stated this several times in the past. *Love*Light*Laughter* always :-) ***Love - Ravi Yogi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
When you say, My Guru didn't follow the Obama plan :-) - she really poked my wounds, made me so miserable that I had no choice but to make an existential leap - it sounds perhaps as if you are (a) attempting to assume a Guru role for one who quite expressly has not entered into that contract with you, and (b) attempting to emulate your Guru's specific behavior, in a way that sounds rather like an abused kid justifying (and perpetuating) his parent's abuse: Hell, my Pappy beat me every day, and it made me the man I am today! I am overstating the case just to make my argument, you understand. :-) *** As I stated both the wounds and the healer turn out to be not real, so you are absolutely right on (a). (b)..LOL..not at all, as a logical corollary to answering true on (a) it clearly implies I have no interest in either emulating anyone's behavior or abusing anyone. There was a period at the end of May where I was under the grip of powerful Kundalini psychosis when I clearly went a little overboard but that's another story. In fact in my personal interactions I am mostly playful and if I am volunteering any spiritual advice I'm very gentle with most. If I had met Turq on a personal level being an Indian (a) I would have been very respectful considering his age and (b) would be very gentle. The interactions on this list belong to a different domain to me, being more impersonal and direct to the point. ** Rory - I messed up on my response for (a) - I meant what was stated about my Guru has personal relevance to me, what I described was just a very simplistic and/or one way of putting it or was in a metaphorical way not that she was taking a knife and cutting me or insulting me with words..:-). That was a different topic and it has NO relevance to any of my emails in this list. My emails here reflect my personal vasanas and I have stated as much before. So no on (a) (b). It is the love and acceptance that brings about change and not insults - no, no..:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: What I really mean to say is, it was not your Guru's poking of your wounds that healed you; it was Love loving You. Your wounds felt as if they were being poked because the pain-body gets stimulated by Love *as* it is being healed. The Love may feel like an attack to the pain-body, because it sees everything as an attack, but in truth Love is not an attack; Love is Love; Love is Self loving Self. *** You are spot-on sir !!! I felt more terrible in Amma's loving presence because my wounds were out in the open, it was oozing with pus and nauseating odor and I was forced to deal with it. So poking was nothing but her Love, love was poking, love was healing... You could say Amma didn't do a damn thing or she did everything take you pick, it's ultimately a paradox. Love is healing, love is accepting, love is the catalyst, Guru is the catalyst, God is the catalyst...but when you are wounded Love can be invading, it can be threatening, do you use it to heal or do you retreat into yourself and spend your precious time in attacking others...and that is I guess my point in my retarded emails.
[FairfieldLife] Pirate News: Hypocrisy of record labels revealed...and punished
Message-ID: igmgmb+s...@egroups.com User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=9-6643063290-8567304814=:3 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.211.205.212 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Sender: not...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-GPoster: utgbvgqjv423z5x03beq --9-6643063290-8567304814=:3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The same people trying to sue individuals for tens (sometimes hundreds) of thousands of dollars for downloading a few songs have no problem ripping off artists and infringing copyrights themselves. Everyone in the industry has known this for decades. Fortunately this time they got nailed for it in court to the tune of $45 million. BTW, in somewhat related news based on previous discussions here, just to compare to what you pay or have to put up with in the US, my ADSL service, which provides free phone calls anywhere, 20 Mbps Internet, and all HD or non-HD TV channels, costs me 30 Euros a month. All phones available in the Netherlands can be purchased cracked or unlocked, meaning that you can choose any provider you want to for them. This includes iPhones, for which you can choose among 20 or more providers to find the best rate, or even use them on a pay-as-you-go basis, without a contract. On the other hand, and a *huge* contrast between here and France or Spain, there is no free TV in the Netherlands. None. No broadcast TV of any kind, analog or digital. In both France and Spain all you had to do was buy a decoder and you had access to dozens of digital channels via broadcast, many in HD. Here you have to pay someone -- some private company or another -- to get any TV channels at all. I'm not sure where this came from, but I'm a little dismayed that a country so progressive in many ways doesn't provide any free TV to its citizens. Record Labels To Pay $45 Million for Pirating Artists' Music Written by Ernesto http://torrentfreak.com/author/ernesto/ on January 10, 2011 The major record labels are known for their harsh stance on copyright infringements, which in an ironic turn of events is now costing them millions of dollars. Revealing a double standard when it comes to `piracy', Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music now have to pay Canadian artists $45 Million for the illegal use of thousands of tracks on compilation CDs. It is no secret that the major record labels have a double standard when it comes to copyright. On the one hand they try to put operators of BitTorrent sites in jail and ruin the lives of single mothers and students by demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, and on the other they sell CDs containing music for which they haven't always cleared the rights. This happens worldwide and more frequently than one would think. Over the years the labels have made a habit of using songs from a wide variety of artists for compilation CDs without securing the rights. They simply use the recording and make note of it on pending list so they can deal with it later. This has been going on since the 1980s and since then the list of unpaid tracks (or copyright infringements) has grown to 300,000 in Canada alone. This questionable practice has been the subject of an interesting Canadian class action lawsuit which was started in 2008. A group of artists and composers who grew tired of waiting endlessly for their money filed a lawsuit against four major labels connected to the CRIA, the local equivalent of the RIAA. Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music were sued for the illegal use of thousands of tracks and risked paying damages of up to $6 billion. Today the news broke that the two parties have agreed upon a settlement, where the record labels are required to pay $45 million to settle http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5563/125/#comments the copyright infringement claims. During the case the labels were painfully confronted with their own double standard when it comes to copyright infringement. The conduct of the defendant record companies is aggravated by their strict and unremitting approach to the enforcement of their copyright interests against consumers, the artists argued in their initial claim for damages. Of course, the labels are not so quick to admit their wrongdoing and in their press release the settlement is described as a compromise. The settlement is a compromise of disputed claims and is not an admission of liability or wrongdoing by the record labels, it reads http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2011/10/c9214.html . Yeah, right. :-) David Basskin, President and CEO of one of the major Canadian licensing collectives, was nonetheless happy with the outcome. This agreement with the four major labels resolves all outstanding pending list claims. EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner are ensuring that the net result is more
[FairfieldLife] Another good article about all the Crazy Talk
This one also from Salon.com. Those promoting the idea that he did it because he's crazy are IMO practicing what this article calls hindsight bias. The he was a classic paranoid schizophrenic explanation for Loughner's actions is to me akin to astrology. *After the fact*, someone declares, Oh, he's a Leo with Fresno rising...that explains it. It explains nothing except the degree to which humans want to be able to explain the often unexplainable. Imagine their dismay of such explainers, all of whom have quirks and oddities of their own, if court-appointed psychiatrists began to pigeonhole *their* oddities and beliefs as crazy and possibly violence-inducing. Take TMers as an example. After all...these people believe they can FLY, ferchrissakes...that's almost by definition crazy. If Jared Loughner had been a TMer, all TMers would be suspect right now. Hindsight bias. Don't fall for it. Historically and statistically, this idea is far more dangerous than crazy people are. Why psychiatrists can't predict mass murderersViolent events like Tucson make us hunt for warning signs in the mentally ill, but tragedy is impossible to foresee By Richard J. McNally http://www.salon.com/author/richard_j_mcnally/index.html [Why psychiatrists can't predict mass murderers] Seung-Hui Cho, Nidal Hasan and Jared Lee Loughner The massacre in Tucson, Ariz., has unleashed a barrage of speculation about the sanity and motives of Jared Loughner, charged with mass murder. Some commentators cite the virulent rhetoric of our polarized political climate http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/01/12/kornacki_pareene\ _loughner as an important cause of the violence, whereas others speculate about the role of mental illness http://www.salon.com/news/jared_loughner/index.html?story=/mwt/feature/\ 2011/01/11/jared_loughner_paranoid_schizophrenia_and_why . Driving the debate is the hope that we can identify predictors of mass murder, thereby enabling us to intervene early and prevent similar tragedies in the future. Shocking, unexpected events motivate a search for explanations that would impose order on an otherwise harrowingly capricious world. The British psychologist Frederic Bartlett noted how people exert an effort after meaning to make sense of their experience, and this is especially true for seemingly unpredictable and uncontrollable horrors, which are far more traumatic than ones we can foresee and possibly prevent. The search to make sense of the seemingly senseless is entirely reasonable. Yet several cognitive biases of the human mind make the task of predicting mass violence appear easier than it actually is. Consider the phenomenon of hindsight bias. As law enforcement investigators uncover more facts about a mass murder, a narrative of how it unfolded emerges. The pieces of the puzzle begin to fall into place, making it easy for us to fall prey to an illusion of inevitability. Once we have a plausible account of what led up to a massacre, it seems obvious that we should have seen it coming. At this point, people begin to ask, Why didn't anyone notice that the killer was a walking time bomb, ready to explode? And if people did notice, why didn't they do something about it? By making unexpected events seem inevitable in retrospect, hindsight bias can result in finger pointing about who should be held responsible for failing to prevent the catastrophe. Predicting what has already occurred is easy; predicting the future is much tougher. * Continue reading http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/01/12/jared_loughner_mass_murder\ ers_diagnose/index.html Clinical researchers have amassed data on people who have committed violence in an effort to formulate psychological profiles associated with mass murder, serial killing and terrorism. By noting the typical characteristics of these people, clinicians hope to identify predictors that might aid prevention efforts. Let's assume that we've identified a set of characteristics often exhibited by mass murderers. What does that buy us? It enables us to answer the question, Given that someone is a mass murderer, what characteristics is he likely to exhibit? That's an interesting question, but it's not the one we want to answer. Rather, the question we really want to answer is, Given that someone exhibits this profile of characteristics, how likely is he to commit mass murder? Answering this question is extremely difficult because the predictors are invariably far more common than the event we hope to predict, and mass murder is very rare. Although mass murderers often do exhibit bizarre behavior, most people who exhibit bizarre behavior do not commit mass murder. Media reports about Jared Loughner, the alleged Tucson killer, illustrate this difficulty. His abnormal behavior, however unusual, is still far more common than the crimes of which he is accused. His former classmates mentioned that he had many
[FairfieldLife] Pirate News: Hypocrisy of record labels revealed...and punished
Weird. The Yahoo Rich Text Editor failed to work properly. So I repost this, to make it more readable and indicate which were my comments (in blue) and which were the author's. The same people trying to sue individuals for tens (sometimes hundreds) of thousands of dollars for downloading a few songs have no problem ripping off artists and infringing copyrights themselves. Everyone in the industry has known this for decades. Fortunately this time they got nailed for it in court to the tune of $45 million. BTW, in somewhat related news based on previous discussions here, just to compare to what you pay or have to put up with in the US, my ADSL service, which provides free phone calls anywhere, 20 Mbps Internet, and all HD or non-HD TV channels, costs me 30 Euros a month. All phones available in the Netherlands can be purchased cracked or unlocked, meaning that you can choose any provider you want to for them. This includes iPhones, for which you can choose among 20 or more providers to find the best rate, or even use them on a pay-as-you-go basis, without a contract. On the other hand, and a *huge* contrast between here and France or Spain, there is no free TV in the Netherlands. None. No broadcast TV of any kind, analog or digital. In both France and Spain all you had to do was buy a decoder and you had access to dozens of digital channels via broadcast, many in HD. Here you have to pay someone -- some private company or another -- to get any TV channels at all. I'm not sure where this came from, but I'm a little dismayed that a country so progressive in many ways doesn't provide any free TV to its citizens. Record Labels To Pay $45 Million for Pirating Artists' Music The major record labels are known for their harsh stance on copyright infringements, which in an ironic turn of events is now costing them millions of dollars. Revealing a double standard when it comes to `piracy', Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music now have to pay Canadian artists $45 Million for the illegal use of thousands of tracks on compilation CDs. It is no secret that the major record labels have a double standard when it comes to copyright. On the one hand they try to put operators of BitTorrent sites in jail and ruin the lives of single mothers and students by demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, and on the other they sell CDs containing music for which they haven't always cleared the rights. This happens worldwide and more frequently than one would think. Over the years the labels have made a habit of using songs from a wide variety of artists for compilation CDs without securing the rights. They simply use the recording and make note of it on pending list so they can deal with it later. This has been going on since the 1980s and since then the list of unpaid tracks (or copyright infringements) has grown to 300,000 in Canada alone. This questionable practice has been the subject of an interesting Canadian class action lawsuit which was started in 2008. A group of artists and composers who grew tired of waiting endlessly for their money filed a lawsuit against four major labels connected to the CRIA, the local equivalent of the RIAA. Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music were sued for the illegal use of thousands of tracks and risked paying damages of up to $6 billion. Today the news broke that the two parties have agreed upon a settlement, where the record labels are required to pay $45 million to settle During the case the labels were painfully confronted with their own double standard when it comes to copyright infringement. The conduct of the defendant record companies is aggravated by their strict and unremitting approach to the enforcement of their copyright interests against consumers, the artists argued in their initial claim for damages. Of course, the labels are not so quick to admit their wrongdoing and in their press release the settlement is described as a compromise. The settlement is a compromise of disputed claims and is not an admission of liability or wrongdoing by the record labels, it reads. Yeah, right. :-) David Basskin, President and CEO of one of the major Canadian licensing collectives, was nonetheless happy with the outcome. This agreement with the four major labels resolves all outstanding pending list claims. EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner are ensuring that the net result is more money for songwriters and music publishers. It's a win for everyone, he said. The major issues that led to this dispute are not resolved though. After paying off a small part of their debt the labels can continue to `pirate' artists' music as usual, using their work and placing the outstanding payments on a pending list for decades. A real solution would require the licensing system to change, and that's not likely to happen anytime soon. Exactly. And in the meantime they'll keep trying to prosecute individuals for piracy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: There doesn't appear to be anyone in the TMO leadership who can re-assess what protect the purity of the teaching means, so they must default to a fundamentalist view wrt all the rules and regulations that were in place when Maharishi departed. Unfortunate. The issue of the attendance in the Domes has more of a practical value and less of the big issue of purity of the teaching. It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum or whatever. If that started to happen the Dome-numbers would fall dramatically very fast.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: There doesn't appear to be anyone in the TMO leadership who can re-assess what protect the purity of the teaching means, so they must default to a fundamentalist view wrt all the rules and regulations that were in place when Maharishi departed. Unfortunate. The issue of the attendance in the Domes has more of a practical value and less of the big issue of purity of the teaching. It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum or whatever. If that started to happen the Dome-numbers would fall dramatically very fast. This is the argument known in science as the Cootie Contamination Effect. That's where one person performing a technique that does absolutely nothing is exposed to some- one doing another technique that does absolutely nothing, with the result that the first person starts emanating BAD Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo instead of Ordinary, Everyday Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo. Can't have that. :-) Seriously, the question of whether Nabby realizes how crazy he is arises. He really believes that ]he could get Cooties from someone performing another style of meditation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Seriously, the question of whether Nabby realizes how crazy he is arises. He really believes that ]he could get Cooties from someone performing another style of meditation. You'd think they'd worry about all the people SLEEPING during program. I mean all he recent video I've seen of advanced sidhas in Vedic CIty or in the Maharishi Domes of Darkness, people are nodding off, not meditating! Sleep's not the most coherent state to be radiating. Heck if radiance from sleep was desirable, we'd have had world peace eons ago... Sleep pretty baby Do not cry And Vaj will sing a lullaby-ee.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: There doesn't appear to be anyone in the TMO leadership who can re-assess what protect the purity of the teaching means, so they must default to a fundamentalist view wrt all the rules and regulations that were in place when Maharishi departed. Unfortunate. The issue of the attendance in the Domes has more of a practical value and less of the big issue of purity of the teaching. It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum or whatever. If that started to happen the Dome-numbers would fall dramatically very fast. This is the argument known in science as the Cootie Contamination Effect. That's where one person performing a technique that does absolutely nothing is exposed to some- one doing another technique that does absolutely nothing, with the result that the first person starts emanating BAD Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo instead of Ordinary, Everyday Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo. Can't have that. :-) Seriously, the question of whether Nabby realizes how crazy he is arises. He really believes that ]he could get Cooties from someone performing another style of meditation. Yeah, essentially that 'cootie contamination effect' is how the tru-believer TM-Rajas have chosen to take it and justify rejecting people from the domes. It's unfortunate for the dome numbers where the TM-Rajas could just as easily simply ask that people come and practice TM and TM-siddhis together in the domes. No, instead they have chosen to make the application process for practitioners a fealty test too. Yes, in essence the tru-believer types in rejecting folks have chosen to follow the 'cootie contamination effect' as essential TM doctrine in the domes. That's the teaching. Hence they now reject more practitioners than they are accepting of. -Dug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: There doesn't appear to be anyone in the TMO leadership who can re-assess what protect the purity of the teaching means, so they must default to a fundamentalist view wrt all the rules and regulations that were in place when Maharishi departed. Unfortunate. The issue of the attendance in the Domes has more of a practical value and less of the big issue of purity of the teaching. It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum or whatever. If that started to happen the Dome-numbers would fall dramatically very fast. This is the argument known in science as the Cootie Contamination Effect. That's where one person performing a technique that does absolutely nothing is exposed to some- one doing another technique that does absolutely nothing, with the result that the first person starts emanating BAD Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo instead of Ordinary, Everyday Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo. Can't have that. :-) Seriously, the question of whether Nabby realizes how crazy he is arises. He really believes that he could get Cooties from someone performing another style of meditation. Yeah, essentially that 'cootie contamination effect' is how the tru-believer TM-Rajas have chosen to take it and justify rejecting people from the domes. It's unfortunate for the dome numbers where the TM-Rajas could just as easily simply ask that people come and practice TM and TM-siddhis together in the domes. No, instead they have chosen to make the application process for practitioners a fealty test too. Yes, in essence the tru-believer types in rejecting folks have chosen to follow the 'cootie contamination effect' as essential TM doctrine in the domes. That's the teaching. Hence they now reject more practitioners than they are accepting of. What I love is that TB TMers who say dumb stuff like this don't realize the *implications* of what they're saying. By taking this stance, they are completely rejecting and proving that they do not believe themselves in Maharishi's idea of the invincibility that arises from the TM-siddhi practice. Think it through. On the one hand, they would have us believe that the Woo Woo created by the siddhis and the ME is so powerful that it emanates an aura or field of invincibility. Whole tracts have been written and endorsed by the TMO saying that this field is SO strong that it can render an entire nation invincible. No negativity or crime or war can exist in the aura of its invincible Woo Woo-ness. On the other hand, they claim that the ME is so fragile and subject to tampering or contamination from a few people practicing a different technique in the domes that it cannot be allowed. That's sure some idea of invincibility they have, if they are terrified that one person thinking the wrong mantra can fuck up the ME for all of the others. And some here try to make a big deal of the sin of inconsistency performed by TM critics when *they* contradict themselves. :-) Basically, the TM TBs want you to believe not only in Woo Woo that is SO powerful that it can bring about world peace, change the weather, and end crime, but that this Woo Woo is so fragile that a couple of people thinking padme hum can fuck it up. See what I mean about the question of sanity with regard to Nabs?
[FairfieldLife] Re: False Equivalency
Mike Dixon: let's not rush to judgement... The final lesson for the left is this: for the sake of a second term, the president is willing to throw liberals under the bus. He's going to undo their economic mantra (by supporting the Bush tax cuts). He is going to undermine their approach to their war on terror (with drones, a long-term commitment to Afghanistan). And he is even going to make the liberal icons Krugman, the New York Times editorial board, Keith Olbermann and the rest look like fools... Washington Post, January 12, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/4rkqf4x
[FairfieldLife] Evolution is coiled within you
Om Times January issue features KUNDALINI documentary feature film http://omtimes.com/2011/01/evolution-is-coiled-within-you-kundalini/ - 7 Dots Media
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS Art of Silence Course 9-13 April, Uvalde, Texas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Judging from his ashram, it doesn't look like Sri Sri is into the whole Sthapatya Veda thing: http://is.gd/kAiQj Alex, you said to ignore me. Why are /you/ reading my posts? I ignore you when you troll or act out like an angry two year old. If you happen to post something that isn't born of emotional dysfunction, I may choose to respond, as I did here or that time you had a question about configuring Firefox.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: False Equivalency
President Obama appealed to our better angels and delivered a brilliant speech last night: And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their deaths help usher in more civility in our public discourse, let's remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy, but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud. He set the perfect tone for the occasion. Your Jennifer Rubin link would have us believe lefty bloggers and pundits directly blamed Sarah Palin and right wing bloviators for the Tuscon shooting. No one ever said that. The fact is, Palin's cross hairs on AZ-8, Giffords' having said such things have consequences and vitriolic right wing rhetoric rampant in the country automatically brought the *possibility of a connection* to everyone's mind, and especially that of the right wing. It threw the righties into to a defensive crouch that they immediately scrubbed websites or any taint of blame and argued Loughner was a lefty. As if they owned it, they twisted themselves into pretzels over the shooting without anyone saying they were directly to blame. More to the point: We do not yet know whether the Arizona massacre was directly fueled by rightwing rhetoric. But we do know this: one of the most dangerous myths promulgated by the media and political establishment is that there is a comparable level of extremism among conservatives and liberals, that left and right are mirror images. Even the most cursory perusal of rightwing radio, television, blogs and assorted punditry illustrates a profound distinction: in large measure, the right's overarching purpose is to stoke hatred of the left, of liberalism. The right's messaging infrastructure, meticulously constructed and refined over decades, promotes an image of liberals as traitors and America-haters, unworthy of their country and bent on destroying it. There is simply no comparable propaganda effort on the left. Read more: Gabrielle Giffords and the rightwing hate machine (on the bogus equivalence between right/left extremism) Peter Daou, January 9, 2011 http://peterdaou.com/2011/01/gabrielle-giffords-and-the-rightwing-hate-machine/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Mike Dixon: let's not rush to judgement... The final lesson for the left is this: for the sake of a second term, the president is willing to throw liberals under the bus. He's going to undo their economic mantra (by supporting the Bush tax cuts). He is going to undermine their approach to their war on terror (with drones, a long-term commitment to Afghanistan). And he is even going to make the liberal icons Krugman, the New York Times editorial board, Keith Olbermann and the rest look like fools... Washington Post, January 12, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/4rkqf4x I don't disagree that Obama is a corporate tool, but then again, so are the right wing plutocrats. Same zebra, different stripes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another good article about all the Crazy Talk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: This one also from Salon.com. Those promoting the idea that he did it because he's crazy are IMO practicing what this article calls hindsight bias. FWIW: for instance Hiroshima and Nagasaki?? :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yeah, essentially that 'cootie contamination effect' is how the tru-believer TM-Rajas have chosen to take it and justify rejecting people from the domes. It's unfortunate for the dome numbers where the TM-Rajas could just as easily simply ask that people come and practice TM and TM-siddhis together in the domes. No, instead they have chosen to make the application process for practitioners a fealty test too. Yes, in essence the tru-believer types in rejecting folks have chosen to follow the 'cootie contamination effect' as essential TM doctrine in the domes. That's the teaching. Hence they now reject more practitioners than they are accepting of. -Dug in FF Which is a very good thing. I certainly would rather do programme in my cozy home than sitting next to some mixed up fellow doing a little bit of this and a little bit of padme hum or whatever. It's about time that you grow up Doug. You're not wanted in the Domes for perfectly legitimate reasons. And you'll never be let in there as long as you expose your nervous-system to different systems and traditions. BTW, from what I hear all the other Guru's practise the same principle. There is no way you'll be let in before you clean up your act. Get used to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
Right. Thanks Doc, I forgot that part. Thank god for the purity of The Teaching! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yeah, essentially that 'cootie contamination effect' is how the tru-believer TM-Rajas have chosen to take it and justify rejecting people from the domes. It's unfortunate for the dome numbers where the TM-Rajas could just as easily simply ask that people come and practice TM and TM-siddhis together in the domes. No, instead they have chosen to make the application process for practitioners a fealty test too. Yes, in essence the tru-believer types in rejecting folks have chosen to follow the 'cootie contamination effect' as essential TM doctrine in the domes. That's the teaching. Hence they now reject more practitioners than they are accepting of. -Dug in FF Which is a very good thing. I certainly would rather do programme in my cozy home than sitting next to some mixed up fellow doing a little bit of this and a little bit of padme hum or whatever. It's about time that you grow up Doug. You're not wanted in the Domes for perfectly legitimate reasons. And you'll never be let in there as long as you expose your nervous-system to different systems and traditions. BTW, from what I hear all the other Guru's practise the same principle. There is no way you'll be let in before you clean up your act. Get used to it. And stop whining !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
It's simple Cult 101: there will be no questioning and no dissent allowed. Only blind obedience will be tolerated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yeah, essentially that 'cootie contamination effect' is how the tru-believer TM-Rajas have chosen to take it and justify rejecting people from the domes. It's unfortunate for the dome numbers where the TM-Rajas could just as easily simply ask that people come and practice TM and TM-siddhis together in the domes. No, instead they have chosen to make the application process for practitioners a fealty test too. Yes, in essence the tru-believer types in rejecting folks have chosen to follow the 'cootie contamination effect' as essential TM doctrine in the domes. That's the teaching. Hence they now reject more practitioners than they are accepting of. -Dug in FF Which is a very good thing. I certainly would rather do programme in my cozy home than sitting next to some mixed up fellow doing a little bit of this and a little bit of padme hum or whatever. It's about time that you grow up Doug. You're not wanted in the Domes for perfectly legitimate reasons. And you'll never be let in there as long as you expose your nervous-system to different systems and traditions. BTW, from what I hear all the other Guru's practise the same principle. There is no way you'll be let in before you clean up your act. Get used to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] A Defensive Anchor Walks a Spiritual Path
PITTSBURGH - Steelers safety Troy Polamalu opened his red leather-bound playbook to a dog-eared page. The life of a man hangs by a hair, he began reading in a voice as soft as falling snow. At every step our life hangs in the balance. Counsels From the Holy Mountain contains the letters and homilies of a Greek Orthodox monk, Elder Ephraim, whom Polamalu described as his spiritual doctor. Gene J. Puskar/Associated Press Troy Polamalu with his son Paisios at a Super Bowl victory parade in February 2009. It was three days before the Steelers' A.F.C. divisional playoff game against the Baltimore Ravens, a matchup in which the Super Bowl aspirations of two worthy contenders hang in the balance, and Polamalu was getting himself centered. How many millions of people woke up in the morning, never to see the evening? Polamalu read. And then: The life of a man is a dream. In a dream, one sees things that do not exist; he might see that he is crowned a king, but when he wakes up, he sees that in reality he is just a pauper. The book in Polamalu's hands, Counsels From the Holy Mountain, guides him in football and in life. It contains the letters and homilies of a Greek Orthodox monk, Elder Ephraim, whom Polamalu described as his spiritual doctor. Polamalu, 29, sought out the octogenarian monk, who resides in a monastery in southern Arizona, a few years ago, a meeting that led Polamalu to the place he described as heaven on earth. It is a summit of sorts. But not the Super Bowl, though Polamalu won two championship rings in his first seven seasons with the Steelers. Neither of those journeys shaped him as profoundly as the pilgrimage he made to Mount Athos, a Greek Orthodox spiritual center in Greece. While there, Polamalu said he witnessed humility and sacrifice in its deepest, purest forms and realized that for all their obvious differences, the spiritual path shared much with a Super Bowl journey. Both require great discipline, Polamalu said, and a selflessness in the name of a greater good. A pacifist whose tough play epitomizes his violent sport, Polamalu is the anchor of both the Pittsburgh defense and its locker room. In a vote this season of the players, Polamalu was voted the team's most valuable player, becoming the first safety since Donnie Shell in 1980 to be so honored. Obviously, in a lot of respects it's a big deal, Polamalu said, adding: I've never been a fan of individual awards because football is such a team sport. There's so many things that goes into making plays. It's about teammates trusting one another and working together. Asked whom he voted for, Polamalu said linebacker James Harrison. Nobody does what he does, Polamalu said. While Harrison, who amassed $100,000 in league fines this season for dangerous hits, appreciated Polamalu's sentiments, he said, Troy could be voted our M.V.P. every year. In the Steelers' 41-9 win at Cleveland on Jan. 2, which clinched a first-round playoff bye, Polamalu was back in the starting lineup after missing two games with an Achilles' heel injury. It didn't take him long to get his legs back. On the second play from scrimmage, Polamalu picked off a Colt McCoy pass for his seventh interception, tying a career high. On a goal-line play at the start of the second quarter, he leaped over the line of scrimmage and was in McCoy's face before he had time to cock his throwing arm. The play was reminiscent of one in the second week at Tennessee that resulted in a Polamalu sack of Titans quarterback Kerry Collins. Dick LeBeau, the Steelers' defensive coordinator, noted that Polamalu did not sack McCoy, who managed to get off a pass that fell incomplete. We prefer that he not go that far off the diving board, LeBeau said. Polamalu knows his freedom to roam has its limits. When you do go a little bit off the map, you have to make sure you make the play, he said. If you don't, it's your fault. The Steelers' rubber match this week against Baltimore - the teams split their regular season games - features two of the league's best defensive backs in Polamalu, a six-time Pro Bowl pick, and the Ravens' Ed Reed, who had an N.F.L.-leading eight interceptions in 10 games. Both are deserving candidates of the league's defensive player of the year award, though, naturally, that is not the way Polamalu sees it. I think I'd rather go with him, Polamalu said, given that he's played in five games and has like 22 interceptions. The quotation was pure Polamalu. If he is overstating someone's abilities, you know he's not talking about himself. Against the Ravens in the 2009 A.F.C. championship game, Polamalu stepped in front of a Joe Flacco pass intended for Derrick Mason and returned the ball 40 yards for the score that gave the Steelers a cushion at 23-14. Players from both teams - Harrison and the Ravens' Terrell Suggs quickly come to mind - have been vocal about how deep the rancor runs in this rivalry. Polamalu said: I don't feel that way. There are things that
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
anyone here seriously? only funny jokers? malicious ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
could someone give me the address to a forum of discussion that is serious? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pirate News: Hypocrisy of record labels revealed...and punished
Time to review the history of both the music and film industry in the US. Many record companies were started by organized crime so they could supply their jukeboxes with records rather than getting them from the major labels. Jack Holtzman of Electra was apparently the only record exec to recognize the Internet as a new medium of distribution back in the 1990s. His words fell on deaf ears in the rest of the industry. Hollywood exists because the east coast entrepreneurs of the nickelodeons didn't want to pay Edison royalties so they moved to the west coast out of reach of Edison's collection agents. So talk about hypocrisy. And the Netherlands signed the agreement that many countries did regarding piracy so you can get in trouble there for downloading torrents. And yup Spain is on the shit list of the organization for not signing. The phone contract thing is more a US thing the idea of fat headed telecom execs. Of course you can go to stores like Best Buy and just buy the phone you want cash and then go month to month with different carriers even swapping out SIM cards. How well they work on different systems is a different matter. The iPhone that Verizon will be offering is different from the ATT because it needs to handle CDMA. Otherwise in the rest of the you have to buy the phone and then use it with whatever carrier you choose. It's even that way in India. Do Netherlanders even watch TV? I remember seeing it at the airport. Maybe progressive Netherlanders hate TV (apparently like some FFL'ers). On 01/13/2011 02:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Weird. The Yahoo Rich Text Editor failed to work properly. So I repost this, to make it more readable and indicate which were my comments (in blue) and which were the author's. The same people trying to sue individuals for tens (sometimes hundreds) of thousands of dollars for downloading a few songs have no problem ripping off artists and infringing copyrights themselves. Everyone in the industry has known this for decades. Fortunately this time they got nailed for it in court to the tune of $45 million. BTW, in somewhat related news based on previous discussions here, just to compare to what you pay or have to put up with in the US, my ADSL service, which provides free phone calls anywhere, 20 Mbps Internet, and all HD or non-HD TV channels, costs me 30 Euros a month. All phones available in the Netherlands can be purchased cracked or unlocked, meaning that you can choose any provider you want to for them. This includes iPhones, for which you can choose among 20 or more providers to find the best rate, or even use them on a pay-as-you-go basis, without a contract. On the other hand, and a *huge* contrast between here and France or Spain, there is no free TV in the Netherlands. None. No broadcast TV of any kind, analog or digital. In both France and Spain all you had to do was buy a decoder and you had access to dozens of digital channels via broadcast, many in HD. Here you have to pay someone -- some private company or another -- to get any TV channels at all. I'm not sure where this came from, but I'm a little dismayed that a country so progressive in many ways doesn't provide any free TV to its citizens. Record Labels To Pay $45 Million for Pirating Artists' Music The major record labels are known for their harsh stance on copyright infringements, which in an ironic turn of events is now costing them millions of dollars. Revealing a double standard when it comes to `piracy', Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music now have to pay Canadian artists $45 Million for the illegal use of thousands of tracks on compilation CDs. It is no secret that the major record labels have a double standard when it comes to copyright. On the one hand they try to put operators of BitTorrent sites in jail and ruin the lives of single mothers and students by demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, and on the other they sell CDs containing music for which they haven't always cleared the rights. This happens worldwide and more frequently than one would think. Over the years the labels have made a habit of using songs from a wide variety of artists for compilation CDs without securing the rights. They simply use the recording and make note of it on pending list so they can deal with it later. This has been going on since the 1980s and since then the list of unpaid tracks (or copyright infringements) has grown to 300,000 in Canada alone. This questionable practice has been the subject of an interesting Canadian class action lawsuit which was started in 2008. A group of artists and composers who grew tired of waiting endlessly for their money filed a lawsuit against four major labels connected to the CRIA, the local equivalent of the RIAA. Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music were sued for the illegal use of thousands of tracks and risked paying
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: anyone here seriously? only funny jokers? malicious ... With all due respect, Marcio, joking is one of the only options left when dealing with a person who has been told many times that no one here is going to teach him TM advanced techniques or the siddhis over the Internet. You don't seem to listen, and keep asking over and over and over. Joe's and Pete's joking answers are the only ones you're going to get here...LEARN, ferchrissakes. You've been told where to go to try to find someone who will teach you this stuff (possible independent TM teachers in Europe), so please go there, and stop repeating yourself. You wore out your welcome doing this stuff some time ago. Me, I'm not going to teach you any of these techniques because I think they're worthless; others won't do it because of their own reasons. Catch a clue, dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Frequent Film Watching Affect the Brain Centers that Control Projection
On 01/12/2011 08:59 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 01/12/2011 07:36 AM, tartbrain wrote: Films are projections. It would seem plausible, if not natural, that people who see many such projections have brains that emulate those projection. They see anger, obsessiveness, stalking tendencies, out of control behavior, attention-sucking behavior, the tendency to go beyond limits etc. in others, but are blind to see these qualities in themselves -- even while the glare of such is visible from space. Go Figure. Book are projections too. The point of enlightenment is to make all external influence at least a line on water. So it goes. I don't think books have the same effect, reading about a natural disaster in a newspaper has a way different feel than on TV, not to mention the over-hype and sensationalism. The brain does retain the TV imagery for a long long time. This is the reason I don't watch news on TV but do rather read it on the internet to keep myself updated. Literature can have projections too. At least a lot of folks say people project through their posts here. ;-) I don't watch the TV news because it is boring. How many ways can you report shootings in Richmond? It's often here's what we want you paying attention to instead of things that might be more of interest. Back in the 1970s a girlfriend who worked at one of the Seattle stations was always saying you won't believe what they dug up for news tonight! Hence I also get most of my news from the Internet.
[FairfieldLife] Abandoned sutra, not given out
For Comfort Food: Relationship of Peanut Butter and Jelly, Whiteness of Wonder Bread...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Another good article about all the Crazy Talk
On 01/13/2011 01:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: This one also from Salon.com. Those promoting the idea that he did it because he's crazy are IMO practicing what this article calls hindsight bias. How 'bout he did it because the US is crazy? I heard someone who is bipolar on a talk show the other day and in describing himself he was also describing the US because he was writing bad checks buying things with money he didn't have. Sound familiar? How about a country which continues to spend money it doesn't have on wars? Or buy weapons for other countries with money it doesn't have? Maybe the collective consciousness of the US is going insane. There were over a million home foreclosures last year, a record number. How many more face destitution in the streets this year. How many a year from now feeling sane because they are gainfully employed will be unemployed next year with no prospect of a job. Stress is running high. The news media lies about the economy giving false notions of a recovery. Collectively that's enough to drive anyone off their gourd. And may like water this consciousness start leaking through the weak points of the bucket and the shooter was a weak point. And talk about the nation psyche, I'm listening to Thom Hartmann and he sounds like he's going on day 4 of his obsession with the shooting. I even took him to task yesterday on his forum for not talking about the very important Massachusetts High Court ruling on home foreclosures on Friday. Sad for a progressive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Seriously, the question of whether Nabby realizes how crazy he is arises. He really believes that ]he could get Cooties from someone performing another style of meditation. You'd think they'd worry about all the people SLEEPING during program. I mean all he recent video I've seen of advanced sidhas in Vedic CIty or in the Maharishi Domes of Darkness, people are nodding off, not meditating! Sleep's not the most coherent state to be radiating. Heck if radiance from sleep was desirable, we'd have had world peace eons ago... Sleep pretty baby Do not cry And Vaj will sing a lullaby-ee. I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. The ME was proposed earlier, around 1974 and 1975, but it was all about individual meditators, and initiations, see for example the Nepal campaign. So, why this sudden change from individual mediations in the room, even on courses, to group program, initially ONLY for flying itself? AS indicated above, I think it were purely practical reasons. Only much later it became an emphasis to do the WHOLE program together, if I am not mistaken around the years 1985/6. Again why? I think it's largely a control issue. You can more easily check on the attendence, when meditation is done in a group. You can also set up 'World Peace Assemblies' and get people to sign up - and pay - because of some altruistic sounding goal, rather then purely individual benefit (like enlightenment - which was tried before, the so-called enlightenment courses, around 1975) And in addition, you can punish people, not admit them to courses or group programs, for wrong behaviour. One must admit that this is quite a clever tactics: First make a moral appeal, that world peace depends on you, if you don't join the program, you may be responsible for all the unlucky outcome. But then use the same token to punish you, for misbehaving, by say visiting a competeing saint. Don't get me wrong: I am not per se against group programs. Very often, especially if you are in a stressfull environment, it may really help you in your meditation. It can also help you to discipline yourself, by making a commitment to participate. But thats how far the benefit goes as far as I am concerned. I personally wouldn't find a benefit by sitting next to someone in meditation, who feels threatened by om mani padme hum (what about 'tat savitur varenyam', Nabby?). I just wouldn't want to live in such a restricted narrow-minded atmosphere. And I just can't think of any great saint in history, who got enlightened during a group program. Most saints rather sought seclusion. There must be a reason.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Frequent Film Watching Affect the Brain Centers that Control Projection
tartbrain: Films are projections. It would seem plausible, if not natural, that people who see many such projections have brains that emulate those projection... While the killings have caused many people to point to the violent aspects of the culture, a closer look shows little evidence that video games, movies or television encouraged many of the attacks... - New York Times Dr. Helen: http://tinyurl.com/6l6ewgy
[FairfieldLife] Fertility Rate Dropping Off A Cliff
Fertility Rate Dropping Off A Cliff: http://www.businessinsider.com/population-growth-video-2011-1
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: It's simple Cult 101: there will be no questioning and no dissent allowed. Only blind obedience will be tolerated. Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? They could decorate a wall each to their prefferred Guru, saint or Deity - that would be a colourful sight ! :-) They are not welcome in the Domes, never will be and their whining about this is pathetic and childish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
you have the address on the internet these people in europe? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: anyone here seriously? only funny jokers? malicious ... With all due respect, Marcio, joking is one of the only options left when dealing with a person who has been told many times that no one here is going to teach him TM advanced techniques or the siddhis over the Internet. You don't seem to listen, and keep asking over and over and over. Joe's and Pete's joking answers are the only ones you're going to get here...LEARN, ferchrissakes. You've been told where to go to try to find someone who will teach you this stuff (possible independent TM teachers in Europe), so please go there, and stop repeating yourself. You wore out your welcome doing this stuff some time ago. Me, I'm not going to teach you any of these techniques because I think they're worthless; others won't do it because of their own reasons. Catch a clue, dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
Hey, you want to hear a funny story? I was all set to write yet another post illustrating the projection-nature of our personal demons, whether they be the Bully, the Liar, the Inept Raja, the Corrupt and Greedy Capitalist, the TM Tru-Believer, the Angry and Violent Right-Winger, the Internet Stalker and Attention Vampire, the Charlatan Guru, the Sleeping Sidha, etc. etc., and showing how railing against them or trying to change them is simply resisting our own essence, resisting evil, resisting What IS, kicking against the thorns, holding onto a lie (i.e., the lie that it OUGHT to be different than it IS), and so on. And then I noticed that my own bodymind was a bit contracted while I was thinking this post out. Aha! As always, it comes back to the Self. What am I subtly resisting? Where's my own personal demon here? It turns out that my subtle personal demon was Suffering, Ignorance, really Mara or Maya Herself. Ha! We are One! I see now where our incarnation as the Buddha actually failed. Let the dance continue! *Love*Light*Laughter* and all the Illusions, forever! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: What I really mean to say is, it was not your Guru's poking of your wounds that healed you; it was Love loving You. Your wounds felt as if they were being poked because the pain-body gets stimulated by Love *as* it is being healed. The Love may feel like an attack to the pain-body, because it sees everything as an attack, but in truth Love is not an attack; Love is Love; Love is Self loving Self. *** You are spot-on sir !!! I felt more terrible in Amma's loving presence because my wounds were out in the open, it was oozing with pus and nauseating odor and I was forced to deal with it. So poking was nothing but her Love, love was poking, love was healing... You could say Amma didn't do a damn thing or she did everything take you pick, it's ultimately a paradox. Love is healing, love is accepting, love is the catalyst, Guru is the catalyst, God is the catalyst...but when you are wounded Love can be invading, it can be threatening, do you use it to heal or do you retreat into yourself and spend your precious time in attacking others...and that is I guess my point in my retarded emails.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? It's setteled then; no need for them to whine endlessly for being excluded from the Domes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Exactly. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. Exactly again. I bailed from the TMO towards the end of 1977, after coming back from my TM-siddhis course. Up until the time I left, there was never a *hint* of the Maharishi Effect or You're doing it for world peace. That was all invented later, as you say. My theory as to *why* it was invented is a little different than yours. Yes, group practice is a control mechanism, and an enforced test of fealty (You're either with us or against us, and check- ing attendance allows us to see which), but the whole ME You're doing it for the world thang was not trotted out until people had started to realize that the siddhis had very little payoff for them, personally. There was no there there. People were starting to quit and drift away from the TMO, because they'd paid big bucks for its most expensive program, and it did diddleysquat for them. Can't have that. Rephrase things to take the emphasis away from discernible personal benefit, and cast it in terms of You're doing it for the world. Try to appeal to the higher motives of people to get them to stick around, because the techniques themselves weren't sufficient to keep them around. That's my theory, anyway. Like yours, it's just a theory. Anyway, welcome to the forum. I look forward to more insightful posts from you.
[FairfieldLife] Google search spider omnipresence (was: Re: The Dome Numbers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? I recognized blusc0ut as someone new around here, so I did a Google search. What I discovered is that Google picked up blusc0ut's posts from this morning less than an hour after they were posted. FFL is but one tiny corner of the web, yet Google is right here, keeping track of it, practically in real time. I can't even imagine the scale of the server farm Google must use to crawl the entire web as thoroughly and quickly as it does.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. That's 34 years ago, 34 YEARS ! Yet the Turq go on and on about the TMO year after year, post after post even today. That's far beyond healthy normality IMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? It's setteled then; Yes, agreed. Isn't it a great liberation: you don't need to fly in the domes! Let the Rajas f**ck themselves and be the ones who whine in the end. Fly the bird to them. [border-top-style: solid;border-right-style: solid;border-bottom-style: solid;border-left-style: solid;border-width: initial;border-color: initial;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;background-attachment: initial;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);] http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=ETM/2009/04\ /25/3/Img/Pc0030600.jpg no need for them to whine endlessly for being excluded from the Domes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:47 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? Or mita-siddhi.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Google search spider omnipresence (was: Re: The Dome Numbers)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Google search spider omnipresence (was: Re: The Dome Numbers) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? I recognized blusc0ut as someone new around here, so I did a Google search. What I discovered is that Google picked up blusc0ut's posts from this morning less than an hour after they were posted. FFL is but one tiny corner of the web, yet Google is right here, keeping track of it, practically in real time. I can't even imagine the scale of the server farm Google must use to crawl the entire web as thoroughly and quickly as it does. I met a Google employee on a plane a couple of years ago. At that time, he said they have over a million servers. I heard elsewhere that about 12,000 (one in a thousand) fail every day and are repaired or replaced.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Exactly. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. Exactly again. I bailed from the TMO towards the end of 1977, after coming back from my TM-siddhis course. Up until the time I left, there was never a *hint* of the Maharishi Effect or You're doing it for world peace. That was all invented later, as you say. Interesting. I knew quite a few people then, who left right after the Siddhis/Enlightenment course,some right away to India to either Muktananda or Osho. At the time I was still thoroughly immersed in the TM movement. I would have bailed out some 4 years later, but ironically, it was meeting a saint, who made me stay in the movement some years more, and actually have both worlds, until it became clear which way to go. My theory as to *why* it was invented is a little different than yours. Yes, group practice is a control mechanism, and an enforced test of fealty (You're either with us or against us, and check- ing attendance allows us to see which), but the whole ME You're doing it for the world thang was not trotted out until people had started to realize that the siddhis had very little payoff for them, personally. There was no there there. People were starting to quit and drift away from the TMO, because they'd paid big bucks for its most expensive program, and it did diddleysquat for them. Certainly the promises were to high by far. We all thought we would fly within a few month, get lots of initiations. When I first heard of siddhis there were reports of people waking through walls, getting invisible, (I still got that sutra, it was skipped later on) Can't have that. Rephrase things to take the emphasis away from discernible personal benefit, and cast it in terms of You're doing it for the world. Try to appeal to the higher motives of people to get them to stick around, because the techniques themselves weren't sufficient to keep them around. This 'appealing to higher motives' was a very conscious thing from Maharishis side. I actually heard him say, we should always make very general (not specific) appeals, like mentioning 'ideal society' and the like. There is an added thing. People started to move to communities to be able to 'fly' together. Sidhaland came up.So people become dependend (psychologically) on group practice, on the existence of such groups, move their whole lives, families, jobs to other places, Fairfield for example, and such become more and more dependend on the group. If you had an individual scheme of enlightenment, you were told that we are doing it for the world, we are like soldiers for world peace, that we are karmically connected to the world. Sort of like the Bodhisattva ideal, but TM movement version. Skip your own individual enlightenment, and wait till day X when we get all enlightened. May be you weren't around anymore, when Maharishi would answer to questions, why we don't fly yet, that it was because of world consciousness. Again the shift from individual to collective. This is called goal displacement http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/goal_displacement.htm That's my theory, anyway. Like yours, it's just a theory. Anyway, welcome to the forum. I look forward to more insightful posts from you. Thanks, and so do I.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Humm ... the measured (mita) siddhi? In contrast to the unmeasured (amita) siddhi or immeasurable radiance (amitaabha) siddhi? This sounds like Turq's fantasy obsession ... amitalingam siddhi. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:47 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? Or mita-siddhi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: Let the Rajas f**ck themselves Welcome to this group. You'll find several here on your level.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Exactly. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. Exactly again. I bailed from the TMO towards the end of 1977, after coming back from my TM-siddhis course. Up until the time I left, there was never a *hint* of the Maharishi Effect or You're doing it for world peace. That was all invented later, as you say. Interesting. I knew quite a few people then, who left right after the Siddhis/Enlightenment course,some right away to India to either Muktananda or Osho. At the time I was still thoroughly immersed in the TM movement. I would have bailed out some 4 years later, but ironically, it was meeting a saint, who made me stay in the movement some years more, and actually have both worlds, until it became clear which way to go. My theory as to *why* it was invented is a little different than yours. Yes, group practice is a control mechanism, and an enforced test of fealty (You're either with us or against us, and check- ing attendance allows us to see which), but the whole ME You're doing it for the world thang was not trotted out until people had started to realize that the siddhis had very little payoff for them, personally. There was no there there. People were starting to quit and drift away from the TMO, because they'd paid big bucks for its most expensive program, and it did diddleysquat for them. Certainly the promises were to high by far. We all thought we would fly within a few month, get lots of initiations. When I first heard of siddhis there were reports of people waking through walls, getting invisible, (I still got that sutra, it was skipped later on) Can't have that. Rephrase things to take the emphasis away from discernible personal benefit, and cast it in terms of You're doing it for the world. Try to appeal to the higher motives of people to get them to stick around, because the techniques themselves weren't sufficient to keep them around. This 'appealing to higher motives' was a very conscious thing from Maharishis side. I actually heard him say, we should always make very general (not specific) appeals, like mentioning 'ideal society' and the like. There is an added thing. People started to move to communities to be able to 'fly' together. Sidhaland came up.So people become dependend (psychologically) on group practice, on the existence of such groups, move their whole lives, families, jobs to other places, Fairfield for example, and such become more and more dependend on the group. If you had an individual scheme of enlightenment, you were told that we are doing it for the world, we are like soldiers for world peace, that we are karmically connected to the world. Sort of like the Bodhisattva ideal, but TM movement version. Skip your own individual enlightenment, and wait till day X when we get all enlightened. May be you weren't around anymore, when Maharishi would answer to questions, why we don't fly yet, that it was because of world consciousness. Again the shift from individual to collective. This is called goal displacement http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/goal_displacement.htm Just as a small follow up: the siddhis were already a goal displacement to the original goal of enlightenment. The group effect, was a goal displacement for the siddhis. The siddhis (as goals in themselves) were just an intermediate station of a larger goal displacement from individual to collective enlightenment. (Some might argue that enlightenment was a goal displacement to just living happy and without struggle) That's my theory, anyway. Like
[FairfieldLife] DR. OZ ON WHY MEDITATE? - January Newsletter 2011
JANUARY SPECIAL 2011 Follow us: “This impact in the TM control group is stunning— unimaginable. When you talk about these causes of death and you can reduce them by that much, as well as non -fatal strokes and non-fatal heart attacks, these are spectacularly large impacts.” —Dr. Mehmet Oz Dr. Oz Featured in the Huffington Post Endorsing the Transcendental Meditation Program An article in the Huffington Post features Dr. Mehmet Oz and a video of his recent presentation on the benefits of the Transcendental Meditation program for reducing stress and promoting heart health. Dr. Oz gave this powerful talk at the “Change Begins Within” benefit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City. Dr. Oz is a nationally renowned medical expert—you may have seen him on The Doctor Oz Show or during one of his frequent appearances on Oprah. He is a heart surgeon and medical professor at Columbia University. In this brief video, Dr. Oz explains how the human heart is impacted by the buildup of daily stress, and presents research showing why the Transcendental Meditation program has emerged as a major tool to help prevent the leading cause of death in the Western world: heart disease. Here’s an excerpt from the Huffington Post article. Please click here to read the whole article and watch the video. From the Huffington Post: Meditation is emerging as a powerful stress buster. Research shows that it can have health benefits equivalent to or better than some of the leading medications for reducing high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Dr. Oz is a meditator himself and spoke at the “Change Begins Within” benefit on December 13. The event was held by the David Lynch Foundation to raise funds to teach 10,000 veterans with PTSD how to meditate. Addressing the impact of stress and its toll on the human heart, Dr. Oz explained how the Transcendental Meditation technique reduces the three main risk factors for heart disease. “As a heart surgeon, I see the effects of stress on the heart... This meditation, we believe, can help a lot of people. It’s important to understand exactly how TM reduces stress and stress-related disorders.” Click here to read the whole article and watch the video Contact us DavidLynchFoundation.org i...@davidlynchfoundation.org Tel: 866-962-0108 +1-641-209-6404 Copyright 2011,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:07 PM, emptybill wrote: Humm ... the measured (mita) siddhi? In contrast to the unmeasured (amita) siddhi or immeasurable radiance (amitaabha) siddhi? This sounds like Turq's fantasy obsession ... amitalingam siddhi. It's just how the monist tantrics refer to the path of those who go after the Patanjali yogic siddhis: partial attainers, i.e. it's not a path that leads to turiyatita or jivanmukti. They don't buy that Patanjali's trip is a path to liberation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: Let the Rajas f**ck themselves Welcome to this group. You'll find several here on your level. Thanks. This is already the second friendly welcome today. I feel honored to be in the same group as you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Exactly. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. Exactly again. I bailed from the TMO towards the end of 1977, after coming back from my TM-siddhis course. Up until the time I left, there was never a *hint* of the Maharishi Effect or You're doing it for world peace. That was all invented later, as you say. Interesting. I knew quite a few people then, who left right after the Siddhis/Enlightenment course,some right away to India to either Muktananda or Osho. At the time I was still thoroughly immersed in the TM movement. I would have bailed out some 4 years later, but ironically, it was meeting a saint, who made me stay in the movement some years more, and actually have both worlds, until it became clear which way to go. My theory as to *why* it was invented is a little different than yours. Yes, group practice is a control mechanism, and an enforced test of fealty (You're either with us or against us, and check- ing attendance allows us to see which), but the whole ME You're doing it for the world thang was not trotted out until people had started to realize that the siddhis had very little payoff for them, personally. There was no there there. People were starting to quit and drift away from the TMO, because they'd paid big bucks for its most expensive program, and it did diddleysquat for them. Certainly the promises were to high by far. We all thought we would fly within a few month, get lots of initiations. When I first heard of siddhis there were reports of people waking through walls, getting invisible, (I still got that sutra, it was skipped later on) Can't have that. Rephrase things to take the emphasis away from discernible personal benefit, and cast it in terms of You're doing it for the world. Try to appeal to the higher motives of people to get them to stick around, because the techniques themselves weren't sufficient to keep them around. This 'appealing to higher motives' was a very conscious thing from Maharishis side. I actually heard him say, we should always make very general (not specific) appeals, like mentioning 'ideal society' and the like. There is an added thing. People started to move to communities to be able to 'fly' together. Sidhaland came up.So people become dependend (psychologically) on group practice, on the existence of such groups, move their whole lives, families, jobs to other places, Fairfield for example, and such become more and more dependend on the group. If you had an individual scheme of enlightenment, you were told that we are doing it for the world, we are like soldiers for world peace, that we are karmically connected to the world. Sort of like the Bodhisattva ideal, but TM movement version. Skip your own individual enlightenment, and wait till day X when we get all enlightened. May be you weren't around anymore, when Maharishi would answer to questions, why we don't fly yet, that it was because of world consciousness. Again the shift from individual to collective. This is called goal displacement http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/goal_displacement.htm Just as a small follow up: the siddhis were already a goal displacement to the original goal of enlightenment. The group effect, was a goal displacement for the siddhis. The siddhis (as goals in themselves) were just an intermediate station of a larger goal displacement from individual to
[FairfieldLife] While sleeping last night
Hey Turq, You were in a dream of mine last night no kidding. Felt like we were at a party with the lights up, a yellow cast of lamp light on the off white walls. You were sitting on a cream colored sofa on one wall and I was in a chair across from you. We were laughing together, really enjoying a comedic situation above the din of the party. We were both very comfortable seeing one another in the dreamspace, or astral world, and finding it side splittingly hilarious the games we played with each other here on physical earth. I remember saying something to you about us both working obscured or something like that, which caused us to again bust out laughing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: While sleeping last night
http://www.crumbproducts.com/files/mystic_lg.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Turq, You were in a dream of mine last night no kidding. Felt like we were at a party with the lights up, a yellow cast of lamp light on the off white walls. You were sitting on a cream colored sofa on one wall and I was in a chair across from you. We were laughing together, really enjoying a comedic situation above the din of the party. We were both very comfortable seeing one another in the dreamspace, or astral world, and finding it side splittingly hilarious the games we played with each other here on physical earth. I remember saying something to you about us both working obscured or something like that, which caused us to again bust out laughing.
[FairfieldLife] The next Ben Foster film
This month with Jason Statham: http://www.themechanicmovie.com/ So does TM leading to making violent films? Probably Tartbrain will want to avoid this one. ;-) (For those who don't know Foster is from Fairfield).
[FairfieldLife] Mormonism, Believe it or Not
This clip discusses that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon through the use of a crystal ball. Also, according to church beliefs, God had a wife in heaven and had sex with her, thus creating spiritual beings who later became humans. There you go: any questions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee51aRBkLIsfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fertility Rate Dropping Off A Cliff
The Chinese government will have to tweak the numbers to make sure that they have enough young people to take over the economy and support their aging population. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Fertility Rate Dropping Off A Cliff: http://www.businessinsider.com/population-growth-video-2011-1
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Humm ... the measured (mita) siddhi? Never heard that one! Could it, perchance, be the seemingly homonymous word (perfect participle from another dhaatu??), number 2: 1 mita1 a. measured, defined, limited; scanty, succinct, small, concise; examined, known. 2 mita2 a. fixed, firm, solid.
[FairfieldLife] #5# We Confess
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 10:32). Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords. We testified that without Him we can do nothing. He is with us and is our way to the Father and the glory of heaven. Paulo Barbosa
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
I was around when the first sutra/flying attempts were made. We were all sitting in chairs in a circle...there was no sitting on foam mats at that time. (This was in one of the hotels around Lake LucernI forget which now.) This would have been probably late 1975. I've mentioned this before since its one of my favorite recollections from that time, but I'll trot it out one more time: We would meet every day at the appointed time, meditate and then run the sutras, finishing with the flying sutra. After 3 or 4 days of nothing, my inner comic finally perked up and I rigged up a device made from a coat hanger that would fit into my tie. I could then manipulate the rising of my tie with one finger of my right hand (which was cupped in my left in classic hands in lap mode.) Several minutes before we were to come out I pulled my right index finger, and like magic, my tie gently lifted up and floated in front of me. I was even able to give the tie a little quivering motion, like it was struggling to stay in a levitated state. I kept my eyes closed while people slowly began coming out. I would hear a gasp to my left, then a gasp to my right...then more people apparently poking each other and pointing. For a minute or so, the group, having meditated for 1/2 hour in the midst of a deep rounding anyway, followed by sutras.thought they were witnessing the true dawn of a new age. I was doing everything I could to remain calm and keep my eyes closed. But when I heard one of my buddies start to chuckle I lost it. Tellingly, about 1/4 of the group thought it was hilarious. The rest were horrified and made it clear that this enlightenment business was NO laughing matter. I think that was probably the moment that the first real crack in my belief system started. When you get busted for eating ice cream (another story) and laughingwell, it's time to exit. It took a few more years but I finally did. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Exactly. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. Exactly again. I bailed from the TMO towards the end of 1977, after coming back from my TM-siddhis course. Up until the time I left, there was never a *hint* of the Maharishi Effect or You're doing it for world peace. That was all invented later, as you say. Interesting. I knew quite a few people then, who left right after the Siddhis/Enlightenment course,some right away to India to either Muktananda or Osho. At the time I was still thoroughly immersed in the TM movement. I would have bailed out some 4 years later, but ironically, it was meeting a saint, who made me stay in the movement some years more, and actually have both worlds, until it became clear which way to go. My theory as to *why* it was invented is a little different than yours. Yes, group practice is a control mechanism, and an enforced test of fealty (You're either with us or against us, and check- ing attendance allows us to see which), but the whole ME You're doing it for the world thang was not trotted out until people had started to realize that the siddhis had very little payoff for them, personally. There was no there there. People were starting to quit and drift away from the TMO, because they'd paid big bucks for its most expensive program, and it did diddleysquat for them. Certainly the promises were to high by far. We all thought we would fly within a few month, get lots of initiations. When I first heard of siddhis there were reports of people waking through walls, getting invisible, (I still got that sutra, it was skipped later on) Can't have that. Rephrase things to
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: There doesn't appear to be anyone in the TMO leadership who can re-assess what protect the purity of the teaching means, so they must default to a fundamentalist view wrt all the rules and regulations that were in place when Maharishi departed. Unfortunate. The issue of the attendance in the Domes has more of a practical value and less of the big issue of purity of the teaching. It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum or whatever. If that started to happen the Dome-numbers would fall dramatically very fast.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum I can't speak for the TMO, but Darth Vader managed to do it. Or so I am told.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum I can't speak for the TMO, but Darth Vader managed to do it. Or so I am told. For technical purposes, I guess we can say it was Anakin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
Marcio, Please repeat what you have learned so far so we can corroborate it, or point out where you may have gotten things mixed up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Dug, I think it is time to take the sandwitch board approach. If you can't get on campus, perhaps you can parade along Hwy 1 (?) with a message addressed to the rajas. Or better yet, just put John 10-13. Wasn't that the date of the Watershed meeting when Hagelin made that great quote you keep referring to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: There doesn't appear to be anyone in the TMO leadership who can re-assess what protect the purity of the teaching means, so they must default to a fundamentalist view wrt all the rules and regulations that were in place when Maharishi departed. Unfortunate. The issue of the attendance in the Domes has more of a practical value and less of the big issue of purity of the teaching. It simply has to do with that noone doing the TMSP there should be exposed to that the fellow next to you are doing some padme hum or whatever. If that started to happen the Dome-numbers would fall dramatically very fast. This is the argument known in science as the Cootie Contamination Effect. That's where one person performing a technique that does absolutely nothing is exposed to some- one doing another technique that does absolutely nothing, with the result that the first person starts emanating BAD Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo instead of Ordinary, Everyday Absolutely No Effect Woo Woo. Can't have that. :-) Seriously, the question of whether Nabby realizes how crazy he is arises. He really believes that ]he could get Cooties from someone performing another style of meditation. Yeah, essentially that 'cootie contamination effect' is how the tru-believer TM-Rajas have chosen to take it and justify rejecting people from the domes. It's unfortunate for the dome numbers where the TM-Rajas could just as easily simply ask that people come and practice TM and TM-siddhis together in the domes. No, instead they have chosen to make the application process for practitioners a fealty test too. Yes, in essence the tru-believer types in rejecting folks have chosen to follow the 'cootie contamination effect' as essential TM doctrine in the domes. That's the teaching. Hence they now reject more practitioners than they are accepting of. -Dug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
http://www.fogodechao.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: could someone give me the address to a forum of discussion that is serious? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
When do we get to the funny part? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hey, you want to hear a funny story? I was all set to write yet another post illustrating the projection-nature of our personal demons, whether they be the Bully, the Liar, the Inept Raja, the Corrupt and Greedy Capitalist, the TM Tru-Believer, the Angry and Violent Right-Winger, the Internet Stalker and Attention Vampire, the Charlatan Guru, the Sleeping Sidha, etc. etc., and showing how railing against them or trying to change them is simply resisting our own essence, resisting evil, resisting What IS, kicking against the thorns, holding onto a lie (i.e., the lie that it OUGHT to be different than it IS), and so on. And then I noticed that my own bodymind was a bit contracted while I was thinking this post out. Aha! As always, it comes back to the Self. What am I subtly resisting? Where's my own personal demon here? It turns out that my subtle personal demon was Suffering, Ignorance, really Mara or Maya Herself. Ha! We are One! I see now where our incarnation as the Buddha actually failed. Let the dance continue! *Love*Light*Laughter* and all the Illusions, forever! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: What I really mean to say is, it was not your Guru's poking of your wounds that healed you; it was Love loving You. Your wounds felt as if they were being poked because the pain-body gets stimulated by Love *as* it is being healed. The Love may feel like an attack to the pain-body, because it sees everything as an attack, but in truth Love is not an attack; Love is Love; Love is Self loving Self. *** You are spot-on sir !!! I felt more terrible in Amma's loving presence because my wounds were out in the open, it was oozing with pus and nauseating odor and I was forced to deal with it. So poking was nothing but her Love, love was poking, love was healing... You could say Amma didn't do a damn thing or she did everything take you pick, it's ultimately a paradox. Love is healing, love is accepting, love is the catalyst, Guru is the catalyst, God is the catalyst...but when you are wounded Love can be invading, it can be threatening, do you use it to heal or do you retreat into yourself and spend your precious time in attacking others...and that is I guess my point in my retarded emails.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:34 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Marcio, Please repeat what you have learned so far so we can corroborate it, or point out where you may have gotten things mixed up. I have a funny feeling he got lost somewhere in between Strength of an Elephant and Bronchial Tubethen again, he might have been out after trying to get too friendly with someone who didn't take it well. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
Guess you had to be there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: When do we get to the funny part? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Hey, you want to hear a funny story? I was all set to write yet another post illustrating the projection-nature of our personal demons, whether they be the Bully, the Liar, the Inept Raja, the Corrupt and Greedy Capitalist, the TM Tru-Believer, the Angry and Violent Right-Winger, the Internet Stalker and Attention Vampire, the Charlatan Guru, the Sleeping Sidha, etc. etc., and showing how railing against them or trying to change them is simply resisting our own essence, resisting evil, resisting What IS, kicking against the thorns, holding onto a lie (i.e., the lie that it OUGHT to be different than it IS), and so on. And then I noticed that my own bodymind was a bit contracted while I was thinking this post out. Aha! As always, it comes back to the Self. What am I subtly resisting? Where's my own personal demon here? It turns out that my subtle personal demon was Suffering, Ignorance, really Mara or Maya Herself. Ha! We are One! I see now where our incarnation as the Buddha actually failed. Let the dance continue! *Love*Light*Laughter* and all the Illusions, forever! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: What I really mean to say is, it was not your Guru's poking of your wounds that healed you; it was Love loving You. Your wounds felt as if they were being poked because the pain-body gets stimulated by Love *as* it is being healed. The Love may feel like an attack to the pain-body, because it sees everything as an attack, but in truth Love is not an attack; Love is Love; Love is Self loving Self. *** You are spot-on sir !!! I felt more terrible in Amma's loving presence because my wounds were out in the open, it was oozing with pus and nauseating odor and I was forced to deal with it. So poking was nothing but her Love, love was poking, love was healing... You could say Amma didn't do a damn thing or she did everything take you pick, it's ultimately a paradox. Love is healing, love is accepting, love is the catalyst, Guru is the catalyst, God is the catalyst...but when you are wounded Love can be invading, it can be threatening, do you use it to heal or do you retreat into yourself and spend your precious time in attacking others...and that is I guess my point in my retarded emails.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: http://www.fogodechao.com/ OMG... I think that's the best link that's *ever* been posted to FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Goofball. They've just been told by 7-11 management that expansion plans have been put on hold until 2012. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Why can't the padme hum's and others in Fairfield gather somewhere and do their mumbojumbo together ? Because they are not into the mumbojumbo of doing group programs? It's setteled then; Yes, agreed. Isn't it a great liberation: you don't need to fly in the domes! Let the Rajas f**ck themselves and be the ones who whine in the end. Fly the bird to them. [border-top-style: solid;border-right-style: solid;border-bottom-style: solid;border-left-style: solid;border-width: initial;border-color: initial;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;background-attachment: initial;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);] http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=ETM/2009/04\ \ /25/3/Img/Pc0030600.jpg no need for them to whine endlessly for being excluded from the Domes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Yea, I'm glad you asked. It's called snipping your posts. Really cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: I think that group-program, from its very outset, was never meant to create world-peace or anything. It was always a control mechanism, and that shows. If group programs would work, the chinese could have never massacred tibetan monastries, who had thousands of people meditating together, on a permanent basis. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. I was also around back then in 1977, and agree with you. One more clue, why that is so, is the fact how it developed: there was never any emphasis on group meditation before the sidhis, that is approximately before 1977. Until that time people simply meditated in their rooms, and that was perfectly alright. With the introduction of sidhis, and especially flying, foam matrazes were needed, and having people hopping in their beds, with the consequent damages was simply no option. Originally people came together only for flying sessions into a flying room or tent. Exactly. Only around the years 1977, towards the end, beginning of 1978 the whole ideology of group- practise for world peace, super-radience or how-ever it was called developed. Exactly again. I bailed from the TMO towards the end of 1977, after coming back from my TM-siddhis course. Up until the time I left, there was never a *hint* of the Maharishi Effect or You're doing it for world peace. That was all invented later, as you say. Interesting. I knew quite a few people then, who left right after the Siddhis/Enlightenment course,some right away to India to either Muktananda or Osho. At the time I was still thoroughly immersed in the TM movement. I would have bailed out some 4 years later, but ironically, it was meeting a saint, who made me stay in the movement some years more, and actually have both worlds, until it became clear which way to go. My theory as to *why* it was invented is a little different than yours. Yes, group practice is a control mechanism, and an enforced test of fealty (You're either with us or against us, and check- ing attendance allows us to see which), but the whole ME You're doing it for the world thang was not trotted out until people had started to realize that the siddhis had very little payoff for them, personally. There was no there there. People were starting to quit and drift away from the TMO, because they'd paid big bucks for its most expensive program, and it did diddleysquat for them. Certainly the promises were to high by far. We all thought we would fly within a few month, get lots of initiations. When I first heard of siddhis there were reports of people waking through walls, getting invisible, (I still got that sutra, it was skipped later on) Can't have that. Rephrase things to take the emphasis away from discernible personal benefit, and cast it in terms of You're doing it for the world. Try to appeal to the higher motives of people to get them to stick around, because the techniques themselves weren't sufficient to keep them around. This 'appealing to higher motives' was a very conscious thing from Maharishis side. I actually heard him say, we should always make very general (not specific) appeals, like mentioning 'ideal society' and the like. There is an added thing. People started to move to communities to be able to 'fly' together. Sidhaland came up.So people become dependend (psychologically) on group practice, on the existence of such groups, move their whole lives, families, jobs to other places, Fairfield for example, and such become more and more dependend on the group. If you had an individual scheme of enlightenment, you were told that we are doing it for the world, we are like soldiers for world peace, that we are karmically connected to the world. Sort of like the Bodhisattva ideal, but TM movement version. Skip your own individual enlightenment, and wait till day X when we get all enlightened. May be you weren't around anymore, when Maharishi would answer to questions, why we don't fly yet, that it was because of world consciousness. Again the shift from individual to collective. This is called goal displacement http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/goal_displacement.htm Just as a small follow up: the siddhis were already a goal displacement to the original goal of enlightenment. The group effect, was a goal displacement for the siddhis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: While sleeping last night
Jim, you've been eating those oreos before bed again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Turq, You were in a dream of mine last night no kidding. Felt like we were at a party with the lights up, a yellow cast of lamp light on the off white walls. You were sitting on a cream colored sofa on one wall and I was in a chair across from you. We were laughing together, really enjoying a comedic situation above the din of the party. We were both very comfortable seeing one another in the dreamspace, or astral world, and finding it side splittingly hilarious the games we played with each other here on physical earth. I remember saying something to you about us both working obscured or something like that, which caused us to again bust out laughing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
I learned this list of sutras: Friendliness Compassion Happiness Strength of an elephant Bronchial tube Inner light Sun Moon Polestar Trachea Navel Distinction between intellect and transcendence Transcendence intuition Transcendence finest hearing Transcendence finest touch Transcendence finest sight Transcendence finest taste Transcendence finest smell. The levitation or flying technique, now known as Yogic Flying, is used in the same way as all other sutras: Relationship of body and akasha - lightness of cotton fiber. Anyone know of other versions ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Marcio, Please repeat what you have learned so far so we can corroborate it, or point out where you may have gotten things mixed up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# We Confess
Paulo, where the hell you been. Talk to Marcio and you guys work something out. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 10:32). Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords. We testified that without Him we can do nothing. He is with us and is our way to the Father and the glory of heaven. Paulo Barbosa
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
:) fun --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: http://www.fogodechao.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: could someone give me the address to a forum of discussion that is serious? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:50 PM, seventhray1 wrote: When do we get to the funny part? LOL~~only after he's bored you for a few more hours, Steve. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] reincarnation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
Thanks, Sal; I forgot that one -- the Dreaded Demon of Boredom. Yep, that's Us too. No joke. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:50 PM, seventhray1 wrote: When do we get to the funny part? LOL~~only after he's bored you for a few more hours, Steve. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: While sleeping last night
Yep - it was an out of the ordinary experience. Lasted a brief time. Funny thing about oreos, I like 'em about once a year, and the first one is always the best. After that the chocolate overrides the vanilla...IMHO - lol! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Jim, you've been eating those oreos before bed again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Turq, You were in a dream of mine last night no kidding. Felt like we were at a party with the lights up, a yellow cast of lamp light on the off white walls. You were sitting on a cream colored sofa on one wall and I was in a chair across from you. We were laughing together, really enjoying a comedic situation above the din of the party. We were both very comfortable seeing one another in the dreamspace, or astral world, and finding it side splittingly hilarious the games we played with each other here on physical earth. I remember saying something to you about us both working obscured or something like that, which caused us to again bust out laughing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: I was around when the first sutra/flying attempts were made. We were all sitting in chairs in a circle...there was no sitting on foam mats at that time. (This was in one of the hotels around Lake LucernI forget which now.) This would have been probably late 1975. I've mentioned this before since its one of my favorite recollections from that time, but I'll trot it out one more time: We would meet every day at the appointed time, meditate and then run the sutras, finishing with the flying sutra. After 3 or 4 days of nothing, my inner comic finally perked up and I rigged up a device made from a coat hanger that would fit into my tie. I could then manipulate the rising of my tie with one finger of my right hand (which was cupped in my left in classic hands in lap mode.) Several minutes before we were to come out I pulled my right index finger, and like magic, my tie gently lifted up and floated in front of me. I was even able to give the tie a little quivering motion, like it was struggling to stay in a levitated state. I kept my eyes closed while people slowly began coming out. I would hear a gasp to my left, then a gasp to my right...then more people apparently poking each other and pointing. For a minute or so, the group, having meditated for 1/2 hour in the midst of a deep rounding anyway, followed by sutras.thought they were witnessing the true dawn of a new age. I was doing everything I could to remain calm and keep my eyes closed. But when I heard one of my buddies start to chuckle I lost it. Tellingly, about 1/4 of the group thought it was hilarious. The rest were horrified and made it clear that this enlightenment business was NO laughing matter. I think that was probably the moment that the first real crack in my belief system started. When you get busted for eating ice cream (another story) and laughingwell, it's time to exit. It took a few more years but I finally did. They were mad because you playing on their gullibility and/or making lite of what they thought was/is holy writ. I would have found it hilarious, though I never really bought into the whole flying bit anyway but did become a siddha just to do program in the dome.(cute story).
[FairfieldLife] Re: While sleeping last night
Thanks for sharing this, Jim. I can relate. One or two of my most profound healings of issues with others have come in dreamtime. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Yep - it was an out of the ordinary experience. Lasted a brief time. Funny thing about oreos, I like 'em about once a year, and the first one is always the best. After that the chocolate overrides the vanilla...IMHO - lol! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Jim, you've been eating those oreos before bed again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Turq, You were in a dream of mine last night no kidding. Felt like we were at a party with the lights up, a yellow cast of lamp light on the off white walls. You were sitting on a cream colored sofa on one wall and I was in a chair across from you. We were laughing together, really enjoying a comedic situation above the din of the party. We were both very comfortable seeing one another in the dreamspace, or astral world, and finding it side splittingly hilarious the games we played with each other here on physical earth. I remember saying something to you about us both working obscured or something like that, which caused us to again bust out laughing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
I messed up bad. Reprieve? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 08 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 15 00:00:00 2011 774 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jan 13 23:27:16 2011 50 authfriend jstein@... 48 whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... 44 Joe geezerfreak@... 42 yifuxero yifuxero@... 42 seventhray1 steve.sundur@... 39 TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... 37 Vaj vajradhatu@... 34 Tom Pall thomas.pall@... 33 raunchydog raunchydog@... 33 WillyTex willytex@... 32 Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... 28 docwhammo docwhammo@... 28 Buck dhamiltony2k5@... 27 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 27 Bhairitu noozguru@... 23 RoryGoff rorygoff@... 22 Marcio tmer1306@... 21 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 17 Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... 15 wgm4u wgm4u@... 15 sparaig LEnglish5@... 14 Peter drpetersutphen@... 11 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 Rick Archer rick@... 9 John jr_esq@... 8 emptybill emptybill@... 7 jpgillam jpgillam@... 6 blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 Yifu Xero yifuxero@... 6 PaliGap compost1uk@... 6 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 5 wayback71 wayback71@... 5 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 4 do.rflex do.rflex@... 3 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 raviyogi2009 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 parsleysage meowthirteen@... 2 merlin vedamerlin@... 2 James Peterson enjoyhumanbeing@... 1 shukra69 shukra69@... 1 nitinadsul nitin@... 1 marciohal tmer1306@... 1 mainstream20016 mainstream20016@... 1 m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Paulo Barbosa tprobert@... Posters: 47 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: I was around when the first sutra/flying attempts were made. We were all sitting in chairs in a circle...there was no sitting on foam mats at that time. (This was in one of the hotels around Lake LucernI forget which now.) This would have been probably late 1975. I've mentioned this before since its one of my favorite recollections from that time, but I'll trot it out one more time: We would meet every day at the appointed time, meditate and then run the sutras, finishing with the flying sutra. After 3 or 4 days of nothing, my inner comic finally perked up and I rigged up a device made from a coat hanger that would fit into my tie. I could then manipulate the rising of my tie with one finger of my right hand (which was cupped in my left in classic hands in lap mode.) Several minutes before we were to come out I pulled my right index finger, and like magic, my tie gently lifted up and floated in front of me. I was even able to give the tie a little quivering motion, like it was struggling to stay in a levitated state. I kept my eyes closed while people slowly began coming out. I would hear a gasp to my left, then a gasp to my right...then more people apparently poking each other and pointing. For a minute or so, the group, having meditated for 1/2 hour in the midst of a deep rounding anyway, followed by sutras.thought they were witnessing the true dawn of a new age. I was doing everything I could to remain calm and keep my eyes closed. But when I heard one of my buddies start to chuckle I lost it. Tellingly, about 1/4 of the group thought it was hilarious. The rest were horrified and made it clear that this enlightenment business was NO laughing matter. I think that was probably the moment that the first real crack in my belief system started. Who was the first to - ahem - fly ? Was eventual TM Sidhi administrator Gregg Wilson (husband of Georgina), the first?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Don't know the man, but nobody has flown and nobody will fly. It's utter bullshit of course. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: I was around when the first sutra/flying attempts were made. We were all sitting in chairs in a circle...there was no sitting on foam mats at that time. (This was in one of the hotels around Lake LucernI forget which now.) This would have been probably late 1975. I've mentioned this before since its one of my favorite recollections from that time, but I'll trot it out one more time: We would meet every day at the appointed time, meditate and then run the sutras, finishing with the flying sutra. After 3 or 4 days of nothing, my inner comic finally perked up and I rigged up a device made from a coat hanger that would fit into my tie. I could then manipulate the rising of my tie with one finger of my right hand (which was cupped in my left in classic hands in lap mode.) Several minutes before we were to come out I pulled my right index finger, and like magic, my tie gently lifted up and floated in front of me. I was even able to give the tie a little quivering motion, like it was struggling to stay in a levitated state. I kept my eyes closed while people slowly began coming out. I would hear a gasp to my left, then a gasp to my right...then more people apparently poking each other and pointing. For a minute or so, the group, having meditated for 1/2 hour in the midst of a deep rounding anyway, followed by sutras.thought they were witnessing the true dawn of a new age. I was doing everything I could to remain calm and keep my eyes closed. But when I heard one of my buddies start to chuckle I lost it. Tellingly, about 1/4 of the group thought it was hilarious. The rest were horrified and made it clear that this enlightenment business was NO laughing matter. I think that was probably the moment that the first real crack in my belief system started. Who was the first to - ahem - fly ? Was eventual TM Sidhi administrator Gregg Wilson (husband of Georgina), the first?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naked Passion
Indeed a good one, but why not let this demon loose to join this dance as well and post it anyway? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hey, you want to hear a funny story? I was all set to write yet another post illustrating the projection-nature of our personal demons, whether they be the Bully, the Liar, the Inept Raja, the Corrupt and Greedy Capitalist, the TM Tru-Believer, the Angry and Violent Right-Winger, the Internet Stalker and Attention Vampire, the Charlatan Guru, the Sleeping Sidha, etc. etc., and showing how railing against them or trying to change them is simply resisting our own essence, resisting evil, resisting What IS, kicking against the thorns, holding onto a lie (i.e., the lie that it OUGHT to be different than it IS), and so on. And then I noticed that my own bodymind was a bit contracted while I was thinking this post out. Aha! As always, it comes back to the Self. What am I subtly resisting? Where's my own personal demon here? It turns out that my subtle personal demon was Suffering, Ignorance, really Mara or Maya Herself. Ha! We are One! I see now where our incarnation as the Buddha actually failed. Let the dance continue! *Love*Light*Laughter* and all the Illusions, forever! :-)
