[FairfieldLife] Star Star (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
This was a first person account told by me, Ken Hassman, who was one of the two people this woman, who had just come from Bevans office, told what happened. I forgot to ask her for permission to make a videotape of her telling us this story but I'll try to remember that next time someone tells me something directly. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was many years ago but it pertains directly to Bevan and this topic at hand. It was at MIU and Bevan was around a lot. I was sitting with a good friend when a woman friend of his and an acquaintance of mine, a well-placed well thought of woman came over to sit with us and she was really dazed/spaced out. She said she had received a summons to setup an appointment to see Bevan and she just naturally assumed it was something administrative. She went to the appointment, entered his office, sat down, expecting nothing of what was about to be proposed. She said that in a very businesslike and even apologetic manner, Bevan told her he was in an odd position in that he was working all the time, did not have any time at all to cultivate relationships and was wondering if she would have sex with him. I don't remember how she said she excused herself from his office but she was really very discombobulated from the shock of it. She did not become one of his occasional consorts. This was apparently his main method, at least at that time, of finding occasional sex partners. Ken Mm, well I laughed a lot about this one, and the comment thread was very funny as well, and then thought about it for a while and decided that actually it reads like someone has been having problems telling dreams from reality. It sounds so much like a dream sequence that I very much doubt it's true. There are a lot of these rumors running around and it's always I know someone who knew someone else who heard that Unless I have reliable independent corroboration I'll not believe it.
[FairfieldLife] Star Star (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounds of Ken throwing up in the background Barry I forgot, how old are you again, 11 or 12? Ken
[FairfieldLife] Star Star (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
This was many years ago but it pertains directly to Bevan and this topic at hand. It was at MIU and Bevan was around a lot. I was sitting with a good friend when a woman friend of his and an acquaintance of mine, a well-placed well thought of woman came over to sit with us and she was really dazed/spaced out. She said she had received a summons to setup an appointment to see Bevan and she just naturally assumed it was something administrative. She went to the appointment, entered his office, sat down, expecting nothing of what was about to be proposed. She said that in a very businesslike and even apologetic manner, Bevan told her he was in an odd position in that he was working all the time, did not have any time at all to cultivate relationships and was wondering if she would have sex with him. I don't remember how she said she excused herself from his office but she was really very discombobulated from the shock of it. She did not become one of his occasional consorts. This was apparently his main method, at least at that time, of finding occasional sex partners. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB wrote: --- guyfawkes91 wrote: Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Ah, finally...a suitable subject for my last post of the week. I'll start it off, and if others can identify and add more material, maybe it'll still be an active thread on Saturday. :-) The subject for this thread is a social phen- omenon that has appeared in every spiritual movement I've ever seen; the soundtrack for it is provided by the Rolling Stones in a song they called *on the album covers* Star Star. The real name of the song was Starfucker. The lyrics are here: http://tinyurl.com/6k4uma It's not that the women in Seelisberg chased the WYMS guys because they were big, butch Nazis. They were, but that wasn't the attraction. They chased them because they had *access to Maharishi*. They had the closest thing to POWER that one can have in a one-man-rule organization -- access to the one man. The women in Seelisberg also chased the Regional Coordinators and the State Coordinators from the U.S. when they came to town. And the leaders from the different countries as well. And WHY? Because they rightly thought that if they hooked up with these guys maybe *they* would get greater access to Maharishi. Think I'm exaggerating? Think again...think Bevan. What attractive woman in her right mind would want to sleep with that blubberous toad? But they did, because he was a blubberous toady, and for a long time, the Head Toady. He had more access to MMY, and thus the thinking seems to have been, He must have some aspect of personal power or higher evo- lution about him, and if I (ick) fuck him, maybe some of it will rub off on me. As I said before, this is a social phenomenon not limited to the TMO. I have seen it in pretty much every spiritual movement or scene I've ever been around. If it's a movement with primarily men at close proximity to the guru or Big Kahuna, then the women tend to throw themselves at those men. If it's a movement with primarily women at close proximity to the guru, the men (and sometimes the other women) tend to throw themselves at the women who've established their personal power levels by being able to be close to the guru. It's just what happens. It's a law of nature. So I don't think that it's that the ladies in Seelisberg were closet Nazi groupies; they were just good, old-fashioned power groupies. They were sexually attracted -- as women have been since the dawn of time -- to those whose personal charisma had allowed them to rise to the top. In a world where egos seek sustenance in power and proximity to power, I take heart from a story I heard on National Public Radio decades ago. The story told how, in a herd of gorillas (I think it was gorillas), the Alpha Gorilla gets all the females. But in one herd being observed, scientists noticed that one of the females regularly sneaked out of the harem to spend time with a male gorilla of lesser status. The only reason the female would risk a beating, as far as the observers could tell, was because she preferred that particular male's company. From this simply story I like to believe there are males and females of many species - even humans! - who seek the companionship of others not because of power, wealth or appearance, but simply because they prefer the other's company. I blush to admit it.
[FairfieldLife] Star Star (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I hafta say, if a male acquaintance or colleague were just sort of generally horny Now wait, I hafta say that this is pretty much the condition of most men most of the time. I can barely think of a time since I was maybe in 7th grade when I was not imagining every woman my vision fell on naked and wondered how to get her to have sex. Looks essentially make no difference. If they have breasts and the rest I am imagining. KH and not particularly interested in me as a person, I'd vastly prefer Bevan's approach to the standard pass. Right up front, no muss, no fuss. And if I were sufficiently horny and the guy was reasonably presentable, I might even say yes. Assuming there was no *threat* attached if I said no, of course. How was the woman in question treated by Bevan afterward? If he didn't hold her refusal against her, I'd agree that this was actually not a bad way to go about it, for him. Kinda sad he had to do it that way, though. And I wonder whether working all the time was the real reason he wasn't able to cultivate relationships, or if that was just an excuse for a lack of self- confidence with women.
[FairfieldLife] Star Star (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: - You mean, that time you and I had lunch, all the while you were... Hmmm. Judy I confess guilt. BUT as a guy you learn to ignore it! It's like talking to someone you want to tell to shut the f*ck up or go jump off a bridge and instead you tell them what a pleasure it was to meet them. You ignore the inappropriate thoughts. Many people who don't either a) get lucky or b) end up in prison. One of the reasons I stopped teaching was I really was afraid I was going to tell the students what I was thinking instead of having to be neutral most of the time and strident within limits. It was getting increasingly difficult to hold back. KH
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even worse, Maria Sharapova lost in the 2nd round at Wimbledon. I think this was the collective will of the Brits. Wasn't it last year that they laughed at that awful shriek of hers? KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: You missed this one Oil touches above $142 http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/markets/oil/ and Gloom Descends Over Wall Street Again http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/business/27stox.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Independent Journalist to visit Fairfield
I find that though her agenda may be radical she backs her entire presentation up with hard facts. She presents the events as they are and does not seem to slant things one way or another when asking question-she simply asks questions. It is clear that she is a left-wing believer but listen to her closely-she does not make stuff up. Rush Limbaugh, on the other hand, makes stuff up, out and out lies. KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Any Goodman one of the most highly regarded independent journalists, by her peers and the public, will speak at the Fairfield library Sat. June 28. http://tour.democracynow.org/2008/06/fairfield_ia.html Weelll she's certainly interesting to listen to, but her agenda is every bit as radical as Rush's, just in the other direction. And... what? DId she try for a speaking venue at MUM and got turned down or is her publicist just plain stupid? Had she managed to get a spot at the Domes, instead of the Fairfield LIbrary, she would have had 50x as many people simply because the venue is 50x as large. I mean sheesh. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
Barry as near as I can tell you haven't changed in years either. Ken -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, You and John Knapp can't change. That's why you deserve each other's company so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The re-arrival of John Knapp on FFL, and the reaction of the TM TBs to his presence, has brought an issue into focus for me, so I figured I'd throw it out for others to react to. Or not, if you don't think it's relevant. Most of the people who have reacted so nega- tively and so *strongly* to John in the last few days are doing so based on their *past* interactions with him. They even say this. This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste. Their message is consistent: Why should we trust what John says in the present, because his past actions (as we see them, that is) have convinced us that he is not to be trusted. Now THINK about this statement, and what it reveals about the persons making it and their belief system. They don't believe that it is *possible* for someone they disliked in the past to change in the present. Once they have developed their first impression of them, that impression is fixed, immutable. And WHY? Duh, because none of THEM have changed, in years. Sometimes decades. If you go back into the archives of FFL or a.m.t. and look up posts by Judy Stein or by Lawson or by feste, you could swap out the posts from a decade ago with today's posts, and no one would be able to tell the difference. There has been no change; they are still the same basic selves, with the same basic samskaras and same basic behavioral patterns, still posting the same basic ignorance and bigotry that they posted years ago. Nothing *ever* seems to changes for them. Compare and contrast to someone like Curtis. There was a time when he was pretty in-your- face on these forums, too (and he still can be, when it is deserved, although almost always with humor these days). But generally we see a kinder, gentler, more balanced Curtis in his posts these days, a veritable model of behavior that many of us look up to. John Knapp seems to have learned a few things along the Way, too. And I'm betting that the *majority* of people here notice the difference. Whereas the TM TB trio I'm discussing above do not. They see John as the same old demon they saw him as before; their belief system does not seem to allow for the possibility of him having changed over the years. WHY? And WHY do they act like this? My bet is that what *we* see as their anger at these TM critics is in reality anger at *them- selves* for their inability to change. They cling to the TM dogma, and talk, talk, talk about its supposed benefits and the changes it can supposedly enable people to make, but they never actually *make* any of these changes *themselves*. That must get them down after a while, seeing others change and evolve around them, while they do not. And seemingly cannot. So, being unable to address what's really bug- ging them, they lash out at anyone they can find an excuse (and, seemingly, *any* excuse) to lash out at, and project onto their victims the very inability to change that they see in themselves. I find it curious, and more than a little sad.
[FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
This from a friend on Mother Divine: Are you wondering how all this flooding could be going on with so many Pandits? We are surprised at Natural Law. Definitely in the phase transition here. Hopefully lots of light very soon. But one thing the press has reported that as waters receeded in Cedar Rapids it left behind a toxic brew of farm pesticide, chemicals and toxic wastes. Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. (Bevan currently here.) By the way, I typed up some notes from the Global Family Chat on the 21st. Bevan spoke about upcoming Fourth of July celebration. Here ya go: On the June 21 Global Family Chat Bevan said he had been to Rudra Abhishek yagya in a special temple here in a deep, cave-like place, and how powerful it was. He said all the Pandits have digital cameras and video cameras now and all wanted pictures taken after the yagya which her really enjoyed. He said July 4th is a big celebration for the Pandits. He thought it was because it is the Fourth of July for America. But it turns out it is a special Vedic celebration that falls on that day. He said Maharishi told the Pandits they are not coming to America, they are coming to Vedic America and they should celebrate every Vedic Festival here. On Lord Jagannath's day, who Bevan said is a reality of Vishnu, the tradition is to build a chariot and pull it in Orissa. This year it falls on July 4. The Pandits made a cardboard `'mock- up of a chariot and it has now been made. They are going to pull it with ropes through the roads and fields of Iowa. He didn't elaborate where they would go, but this should be interesting. I believe we did see part of the chariot off to the side of the road, and it's really neat. Bevan also mentioned there are two new big buildings going up on the Pandit campus. Mother Divine has noticed this so it was nice of Bevan to clarify. One is a dining hall. Other he thinks is for yagyas. Someone told me it was announced today (June 23) it is a new rec center (that the one they have isn't big enough for all the Pandits), He also said he talked to Bill Goldstein who has made several trips to India to help the Pandits get their visas, and Bill said they have found another 100 Pandits with passports. So these 100 have moved from where ever they are to Delhi to get their visas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
John I was referring to you. You gave up TM how many years ago yet it seems to have quite a grip on you now. Instead of just moving on with your life, even though you may not be participating in the TM world/programs, you are spending quite a bit of time in TM world via all these discussions. KN than it could havse--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are a therapist? Would you recommend that a patient, once he saw the error of his ways, spend the next 20 years wallowing in it? Sorry, KH, I'm not following your thought here. I suggest that no one wallow in it. Certainly not clients in my practice. My clients and I typically spend about 4 sessions or so talking about the processes that may have been present in their group. Then we spend 4 or so sessions practicing simple cognitive behavioral techniques to help cope with any lingering mental, emotional, social, or spiritual challenges they may be facing. For most that's it. Some few clients choose to work longer. Some choose to work less. If you have an interest, check out http://knappfamilycounseling.com/cultdefine.html or http://knappfamilycounseling.com/razor.html where I talk about the dangers of dwelling on blaming the cult. In my work, I say blame is largely about the past: Who did what to whom when. It doesn't bring about change. I emphasize responsibility, which is about the future. No matter what happened to a client in the past, only the client can take responsibility for changing his or her life. As to my wallowing in it personally, if that was your meaning, TM is a relatively small part of my life -- and has been for some time. That's why I let the trancenet.net domain registration lapse. (I brought it back because I received a number of requests to do so.) I would say less than a third of my current clients were involved with TM. These days the largest group were involved with various Bible-based groups. But some people do feel called to being an activist. Nearly every religion has an active reform group. Do you feel the fellows who founded SNAP, who seek justice for children molested in the Catholic Church, should just get over it? They're an inspiration to many in and out of the Catholic Church. My influence is a tiny fraction of theirs, I know. But I do what I can. I wish I were more gifted. But we all work with the cards we're dealt. Being a cult activist is not something I recommend to anyone. In fact, quite the opposite. I recommend to my clients that they avoid replacing the high-intensity of their group with the high-intensity of cult activism for at least a year after leaving their group. I think it's important that people rediscover their authentic selves before rushing off into a new cause. I was offered this advice way back in 1995 as I was leaving TM. I wish I had taken it. My exit from TM was messy and painful. I think many of my more over-the-top writings at that time would have been quite different if I had looked to my own needs and challenges before rushing off into the Internet wars. But what's past is past. I've tried to be more temperate in the last 8 years or so. J.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except, of course, that the billions are in the custody of the TMO. He didn't do much for himself with them, did he? Ummm, did you not get the memo about his golden toilets? I saw them at Livingston Manor. I've been told they were there in Europe as well. Just a symbol of what the Maharishi did with his billions. J. A very very big so what It was Maharishi's TM Movement, we participate freely and willingly for whatever our reasons were and still are for some. Some moved on, some found ways to make their peace with the conflict they experienced, some are still trying to do that. You are a therapist? Would you recommend that a patient, once he saw the error of his ways, spend the next 20 years wallowing in it? KH In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps at the moment we can do no better than freely and willingly I think further reflection would prove otherwise. Are you thinking perhaps of Geraldine (Flip Wilson)- ...the Devil made me do it? Delighted to see you participating again. Thank you! Ken What I remember of your posts - as with a handful of others - is the wealth of personal experience. Those who were there in the meetings, on the courses or running the centers have a reservoir of firsthand knowledge useful in overcoming the disorientation created by an organization reengineering its history. -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 mrfishey2001@ wrote: Perhaps at the moment we can do no better than freely and willingly I think further reflection would prove otherwise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: Are you thinking perhaps of Geraldine (Flip Wilson)- ...the Devil made me do it? If, as it seems in your case, further reflection takes you to the devil. But no, I was not suggesting demonic possession. Wow, I was teasing and thought the reference to Flip Wilson and his character Geraldine would cause a smile. I was giving a glib answer and see this is a sensitive topic. Apologies for treating it lightly. Ken I'm sure sociologists could provide many reasons people join cults, religions, spiritual groups, etc and we probably all have some mix of those reasons-surrogate parents (the Guru), sense of family, etc. For me once I realized (1984) that nothing I had taken on as personal belief - all the TM beliefs - were actually being lived by me in my personal life - I did not know what to do, how to change my life, where to go, how to get a career, etc. So I understand, I think, what you are speaking of. Your post claims members participated freely and willingly. Which at face value seems true enough. I doubt it's that simple. Membership usually presupposes expectation; I join to access power, desire companionship, learn new skills or benefit some way by being a member. Personal experience tells me the majority of TM members, particularly those at higher levels, seek the benefits of emancipation. For many that's enlightenment, others an absence of the time-consuming limitations posed by professional commitments. In either case, the success of your emancipatory aspirations becomes subject to your compliance with group expectations. Here, freely and willingly are subject to much debate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry really *does* know better. He knows the vast majority of the crap he posts about me isn't true. He doesn't have enough imagination to figure out a way to try to insult me that's actually truthful. It is obvious that Barry does go out of his way to be bait you and it is beyond me to fathom why a chronologically grown person would do this. KH
[FairfieldLife] for the sleep deprived (and mentally depraved?)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515072944.htm Green Tea Compounds Beat Obstructive Sleep Apnea-related Brain Deficits, Study Shows ScienceDaily (May 18, 2008) Chemicals found in green tea may be able to stave off the cognitive deficits that occur with obstructive sleep apnea (OSA), according to a new study published in the second issue for May of the American Thoracic Society's American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine. Researchers examined the effects green tea polyphenols (GTP), administered through drinking water, on rats who were intermittently deprived of oxygen during 12-hour night cycles, mimicking the intermittent hypoxia (IH) that humans with OSA experience. People with OSA have been reported to have increased markers of oxidative stress and exhibit architectural changes in their brain tissue in areas involved in learning and memory. Chronic IH in rats produce similar neurological deficit patterns. OSA has been increasingly recognized as a serious and frequent health condition with potential long-term morbidities that include learning and psychological disabilities [...], wrote David Gozal, M.D., professor and director of Kosair Children's Hospital Research Institute at the University of Louisville, lead author of the article. A growing body of evidence suggests that the adverse neurobehavioral consequences imposed by IH stem, at least in part, from oxidative stress and inflammatory signaling cascades. GTPs are known to possess anti-oxidant properties, acting as a free radical scavengers, and research has shown that the compounds may reduce the risk of a variety of different diseases. Recent studies have demonstrated the neuroprotective activity of GTP in animal models of neurodegenerative conditions such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, wrote Dr. Gozal. In this study, the researchers divided 106 male rats into two groups that underwent intermittent oxygen depletion during the 12-hour night cycle for 14 days. One group received drinking water treated with GTP; the other received plain drinking water. They were then tested for markers of inflammation and oxidative stress, as well as for performance in spatial learning and memory tasks--namely a water maze in which the rat had to memorize the location of a hidden platform. The IH-rats that received the green tea-treated water performed significantly better in a water maze than the rats that drank plain water. GTP-treated rats exposed to IH displayed significantly greater spatial bias for the previous hidden platform position, indicating that GTPs are capable of attenuating IH-induced spatial learning deficits, wrote Dr. Gozal, adding that GTPs may represent a potential interventional strategy for patients with sleep-disordered breathing.
[FairfieldLife] Coffee Drinkers Rejoice
Coffee Drinkers Have Slightly Lower Death Rates, Study Finds ScienceDaily (Jun. 17, 2008) A new study has good news for coffee drinkers: Regular coffee drinking (up to 6 cups per day) is not associated with increased deaths in either men or women. In fact, both caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee consumption is associated with a somewhat smaller rate of death from heart disease. Coffee consumption has been linked to various beneficial and detrimental health effects, but data on its relation with death were lacking, says Esther Lopez-Garcia, PhD, the study's lead author. Coffee consumption was not associated with a higher risk of mortality in middle-aged men and women. The possibility of a modest benefit of coffee consumption on heart disease, cancer, and other causes of death needs to be further investigated. Women consuming two to three cups of caffeinated coffee per day had a 25 percent lower risk of death from heart disease during the follow-up period (which lasted from 1980 to 2004 and involved 84,214 women) as compared with non-consumers, and an 18 percent lower risk of death caused by something other than cancer or heart disease as compared with non-consumers during follow-up. For men, this level of consumption was associated with neither a higher nor a lower risk of death during the follow-up period (which lasted from 1986 to 2004 and involved 41,736 men).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no sin in thinking that maybe TM just doesn't work for you. Well I would not say that at all. It just did not do what I thought it would in the ways it would. I was looking for external proof in the ways it was promoted. As far as simply feeling better, more centered and personally balanced, as far as experiencing the Being (ala Charlie Lutes) it delivers. Ken
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't they just be honest and accept that they're trolling? Why do they have to make things up all the time? For what purpose? If they've moved on with their life, what are they doing on a news forum. very far. Why do you suppose they keep coming back to discuss they've moved on? I can see why someone who is on the program might come here to get some news, but the trollers just seem like baiters, trying to get some attention. Richard I often wonder the very same thing. Doesn't this also apply to you? From reading all the way back to alt.tm.org you seem exactly the same to me. You've been saying the same things for how many years now? How about just accepting the fact that this is what Barry, Judy, you, Curtis, Lawson, me, Peter, Rick, Doug, Feste, Shemp, Lurk, Ruth, etc. do-post to FairfieldLife as part of life. Sometimes people seem to cycle in, sometimes out. Ken if you want to I mean, what news would they have and what would they have to discuss? How many times do we have to hear that they've moved on with their life? From what I've read, they don't seem to have moved Maybe they didn't get the attention they felt they needed when they were working for the Marshy. Maybe they just feel better when they have someone, anyone, to talk to. Maybe they're just trolling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dave Mallett and Folkalley.com
Vaj Did you ever listen to FolkAlley.com? It's a great source of free and great music as in 24/7 at http://folkalley.com. It's where I was introduced to Dave Mallett a couple of years ago. Thanks for the free Dave Mallett tunes, too and the itunes tip. I'm reluctant to get involved with downloading from itunes but maybe...! Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Kenny H wrote: Wow, I am very envious you went to see A Prairie Home Companion. Where did you go? I have a lot of frequent flyer miles and have thought of going to Minneapolis. Is it hard to get tickets? He comes to Maine every couple of years, so we saw him in Bangor. Tickets typically go on sale 8 months or so ahead of time and sell out in a couple of days, so you do have to be on the ball to get tickets. Dave Mallett is one of my very favorite folk-type singers, he has about 3 albums but none of them really sound as good as he does live. My favorite song of his, also much better as a live version is, Summer of My Dreams. Yes, I agree, he is much better live. He has a live version of Summer of My Dreams which is excellent. It is on Live at the Iron Horse, Vol. 1 and you can get at on the iTunes store for 99 cents. I also just uploaded another song from PHC, his classic The Garden Song. Enjoy. PS: Good luck with your book! What a great idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
Barry I like your take and I will get back to you later on about what you said. Thanks very much for such clear expression. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The Other Side of Spiritual Growth. With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in creation touting some kind of yoga. and presenting only the pro side of living the Eastern or Spirit-based life, I have thought that there are many many people like me, and like others posting on FFLIfe, and many people here know of others, both TMers or some kind of other spiritual aspirants, who have lived the spiritual life only have things go awry as opposed to better. They do not necessarily turn into ardent bashers but they are experiencing disappointment, disillusionment and may have taken steps such as I have and many others have by getting out and pursuing an independent life. I am looking for stories, first-person accounts from people, like me, who are not out to bash what they have done, but to express themselves, addressing the disappointments and broken promises, their side of the story, how life may have taken a downturn inside of the opposite. Also, what you/they have done to create a change for yourself. Or if you/they even have. Ken, Since some have pooh-poohed your book idea, I'm going to applaud it, but with reservations and suggestions. Please forgive the un-asked-for advice. I think that a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away could be valuable, *especially* in an age where many are catching the Oprah wave and walking to groups and organizations that promise realization and/or happiness. HOWEVER, while some focus on the disappointments and broken promises might be in order, I think that you will sabotage the value of your proposed book if you select stories that tend to repeat that theme ad nauseum. What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from something old. Making the decision to walk away from a long-held set of spiritual beliefs or from the company of those who believe similarly is heavy-duty. It is a *no less amazing* thing for a long-time TMer to walk away from the TM movement than for a long-time Catholic priest to walk away from the priesthood. And there are traumas involved IN walking away. But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. My fave songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, wrote a song a few years ago called Strange Waters. It was his riff on the 23rd Psalm, and dealt with his *own* walking away from too-rigidly-held Christian beliefs and walking towards something lighter and more flexible. The last line of the song reflects, IMO, the distinction I'm trying to make. It goes, If I loose my grip, will I take flight? Bruce loosed his grip on beliefs that had grown para- lyzing for him, and the result was being able to walk freely again. A similar theme is found in the video of Henry Miller that do.rflex posted last night, in which he relates the Zen parable of the student who studies his Zen diligently for many years, but who only experiences satori when, on a trip outside the monastery, he takes a prostitute up on her offer and gets himself laid. SO MUCH of the dogma of spiritual disciplines and relig- ions is aimed at getting people NOT to walk away. It's all about WE have the 'highest path.' There is nowhere you could go where you will find higher knowledge or a faster path to what you seek than WE possess. Therefore you should *stay where you are*. To leave our path is to leave the spiritual path, period. Sound familiar? It should. That was the essential message of the TMO for decades, and still is. And yet. And yet, as you say, one reads the stories of those who ignored this insistent dogma and DID walk away, and the bottom line is often NOT bitterness, NOT having left the spiritual path for good, but a sense of freedom and having walked to something better and brighter (for them) than what they had walked away from. Me, I don't think that the *particular* new thing that these people found that they had walked towards is very important. I think that the important thing -- the exercise of will and intent and personal power that made spiritual progress possible for them -- is to be found more in the act of walking away itself than in the thing
[FairfieldLife] A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
if Des Moines is still there. Iowa State Fair Grandstand Des Moines, Iowa Sunday, August 17, 2008 at 8:00 pm Sponsored by Iowa Public Radio All tickets $25 Tickets on sale beginning April 19, and are available at all Ticketmaster outlets. To buy tickets online, and for venue information, go to www.iowastatefair.com. In-person sales start at the Fair July 7 Tickets do not include Fair admission see the Fair Web site for ticket packages and discounts. For more information, go to www.iowapublicradio.org.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenny wrote: A Prairie Home Companion in Des Moines Thanks for the invite, Kenny, but somehow I just don't see myself driving up I-35 to Des Moines, Iowa this weekend. Besides, I can't stand that liberal Garrison Keelor. Richard, To each his own as far as taste in entertainment goes. Plus if you went this weekend you'd be a bit early as the show (as was posted) is not until mid-August. KH Some, possibly misguided fools, think he is funny, but to drive into a flood zone and pay him - I don't hink so. One moans for shame that such a vulgar jerk is thought of, and even known overseas, as some kind of national entertainer. Read more: 'Garrison Keillor, Vulgarian' By Christopher Hitchens Slate, Monday, Feb. 13, 2006 http://www.slate.com/id/2136056/
[FairfieldLife] Reailty disconnect (was Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, if you accept the ME as Truth, then whatever happens is good by definition, no matter how bad it seems and how much it contradicts your predictions. This is the loop of thinking that I still struggle with after so many years of attempting to divorce myself from exactly this loop of thinking I got caught up in-the damned if you believe and damned if you don't believe cycle. Or the we have an answer for everything cycle the our belief system can handle all possible responses in one fell swoop. The ME effect. If things are good-great we are responsibile. If things are not good it's either a) normalization and/or the numbers are down/we are not doing enough. There are three instances that stand out in my mind as representative of the really odd thinking that we in the TM org. came to accept as normal and which I have cycled repeatedly for years trying to make sense of. One was when Bevan, in the dome, probably between rounds at a time when there were about 1500 people in the domes doing program, and there were many many more people in FF not in the domes. He was up there haranguing us for the numbers being low and such and I'm thinking, why is he yelling at us, we're here in the domes? Another was in India, at the big Vedic Science course in India. There we were on the other side of the world, hundreds if not thousands were really sick, we were sitting in this amazingly crowded room listening to Byron Ribgy and Geoffrey Clemens drone on hour after hour about THe Hamiltonian, you'd walk by the makeshift kitchen and see one of the cooks actually dunking his head in one of the pots to wash his hair right in one of the pots where the lentils were cooking for our supper, the German door guards were really harassing people, and one night Maharishi tells us, The situation in the world is getting worse and it is our fault...if you are one of the people who are here and are complaining I don't want you here...you should leave for the sake of the world The third instance of real reality disconnect also involved Bevan. There were rumors of Bevan and the Zimmermans having gone to Santa Cruz to see the UC Santa Cruz campus supposedly checking out buying or leasing a part of campus and moving MIU there (something close to this). A close friend of mine was Stuart Zimmerman's personal assistant and she told me to my face (not second-hand) it was absolutely true as she had arranged the plane trip. So one afternoon after program, in the shed, Bevan gets on the microphone and says, Everyone should have their bags packed and ready to move to Egypt. We are moving to the Temple of Cheops... (again this is a paraphrase but close enough). He-Bevan-went on to say that he heard the rumors of the UC Santa Cruz thing and they were absolutely false. Which they were not. Ken I just don't remember floods, tornadoes, wildfires, warfare, etc. being enumerated as part of the Golden Age of Ram Raj, but maybe I was asleep during that tape. ;) OTOH, perhaps there's a negative correlation between ME numbers and well-being, and so many people sitting for so long with blank minds invite in the negative forces to wreak DEVA-station on the nation. Who woulda thunk--maybe Bronte was right? Um... Bronte thinks the world is controlled by reptilian, shape-shifting aliens. AFAIC, she's the last person to seek out for a reality check. You know that was a joke, yes?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: . But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled them to find something more fulfilling. . The way I think you are presenting it and the way Anatol has presented it (at least the way I'm interpreting what you've said) it is as if one must find something else that is spiritual in walking away. For me, where I differ is that something more fulfilling might not be another spiritually-based philosophy, practice, religion or teacher. In my case I discovered the value of just working hard at something and finding that the harder I work the more successful I am. This is in direct contrast to the do nothing accomplish more (or however that goes) aphorism heard for so long. Plus I wouldn't call what I'm doing or the transition I made more fulfilling but it is more satisfactory. Ken
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not doing anything, it's the gunas). Thanks for the clarification Judy. What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month courses, move to FF, in the domes, Vedic Atom, Ayurvedic course) and did NOT experience increasing support of nature as long as I lived within the confines of the TM-based community/lifestyle. It was only when I completely broke free from it-from the total package lifestyle that I found support for my actions. Whether nature has anything to do with it I'm unsure. I do know that the fact that I work hard and do a good job and keep working hard and doing a good job seems to work. Perhaps it is nature but that is pretty abstract for me at this point. I also tend to think I got very very lucky. Many people work very hard and don't experience success. I also worked very hard while I was living in FF and going to the domes and watched my life continue to spiral downwards. Maybe on the abstract level of life I'm not the doer and if thats the case I hope the nondoer is having more fun than I am! Ken Whether you believe any of this or not, your working hard and being successful is in no way in contrast with it, at least in terms of how I've always understood it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Yeah, I personally don't think support of nature is a useful concept on a practical basis, because even if it exists, there's no way to *identify* it. I mean, one could suggest that you were experiencing support of nature in that what nature wanted was for you to go off on your own, so it was making things tough on you in order to encourage you to leave the TMO. Isn't this what's called a conundrum? or is it We have an answer for everything! Ken P.s. How's Atlantic City treating you (and vice-versa?).
[FairfieldLife] The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
Hello All, I've been involved with the TM org. since 1969 in a variety of fashions and decided, for once and for all, to 'get out back in 1990. This does not mean I've broken all contact, just outer contact. Presently I'm a freelance writer specializing in back-of-book indexes and my clients include some of the world's great presses and then a lesser known but popular group of publishers. I have access to and contact with many editors. I say this for a reason. My own story, in very short, continued to fall apart the more I stayed involved with TM and acted as if my life was an example of what M was talking about. Although the promises of TM as heard by me and many others did manifest for some, they not come to fruition for me as they did not for many others. It was not until I chose to take my life in my own hands which included first leaving Fairfield, then finally avoiding the centers and any type of outward oriented TM activity, that I was able to turn things around from the dregs of poverty to a more successful life in terms of earning ability. I am not a TM basher. I did what I needed to do and still do so. After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The Other Side of Spiritual Growth. With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in creation touting some kind of yoga. and presenting only the pro side of living the Eastern or Spirit-based life, I have thought that there are many many people like me, and like others posting on FFLIfe, and many people here know of others, both TMers or some kind of other spiritual aspirants, who have lived the spiritual life only have things go awry as opposed to better. They do not necessarily turn into ardent bashers but they are experiencing disappointment, disillusionment and may have taken steps such as I have and many others have by getting out and pursuing an independent life. I am looking for stories, first-person accounts from people, like me, who are not out to bash what they have done, but to express themselves, addressing the disappointments and broken promises, their side of the story, how life may have taken a downturn inside of the opposite. Also, what you/they have done to create a change for yourself. Or if you/they even have. If you are someone who would like to tell your story, of course no names need be used, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. If you know of other groups I might contact and make a similar request of and/or other people who might like to get their story of the other side of spiritual pursuits, please contact me. Everything is held in the strictest of confidence which is how my entire business works as I get books, some very known after they are published, before they are released and am used to that type of discretion. Thank you!! Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
I remember Connie very well from the mid-70s at MIU. Very very funny lady. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: Hello All, I've been involved with the TM org. since 1969 in a variety of fashions and decided, for once and for all, to 'get out back in 1990. This does not mean I've broken all contact, just outer contact. Presently I'm a freelance writer specializing in back-of-book indexes and my clients include some of the world's great presses and then a lesser known but popular group of publishers. I have access to and contact with many editors. I say this for a reason. My own story, in very short, continued to fall apart the more I stayed involved with TM and acted as if my life was an example of what M was talking about. Although the promises of TM as heard by me and many others did manifest for some, they not come to fruition for me as they did not for many others. It was not until I chose to take my life in my own hands which included first leaving Fairfield, then finally avoiding the centers and any type of outward oriented TM activity, that I was able to turn things around from the dregs of poverty to a more successful life in terms of earning ability. I am not a TM basher. I did what I needed to do and still do so. After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The Other Side of Spiritual Growth. With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in creation touting some kind of yoga. and presenting only the pro side of living the Eastern or Spirit-based life, I have thought that there are many many people like me, and like others posting on FFLIfe, and many people here know of others, both TMers or some kind of other spiritual aspirants, who have lived the spiritual life only have things go awry as opposed to better. They do not necessarily turn into ardent bashers but they are experiencing disappointment, disillusionment and may have taken steps such as I have and many others have by getting out and pursuing an independent life. I am looking for stories, first-person accounts from people, like me, who are not out to bash what they have done, but to express themselves, addressing the disappointments and broken promises, their side of the story, how life may have taken a downturn inside of the opposite. Also, what you/they have done to create a change for yourself. Or if you/they even have. If you are someone who would like to tell your story, of course no names need be used, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. If you know of other groups I might contact and make a similar request of and/or other people who might like to get their story of the other side of spiritual pursuits, please contact me. Everything is held in the strictest of confidence which is how my entire business works as I get books, some very known after they are published, before they are released and am used to that type of discretion. Thank you!! Ken kenhassman@ --- A book you may find useful - The Holy Longing: The Hidden Power of Spiritual Yearning, By Connie Zweig. Her work on the Jungian concept of Shadow is well known. That she was once a TM teacher, less so. Hey study of psychological projection, particularly as it applies to the spiritual life, should be mandatory for all initiates. ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth
Well thanks for the other side to your perception (and Steve too). To answer at least one of your questions my two biggest clients in the world of publishing are Cambridge University Press and Oxford University Press. I do a large volume of indexing (writing indexes for the backs of books) work for them both. I also do a lot of work for some large education publishers. I was previously teaching 4th-6th grade from 1991-2005 (with a two-year leave of absence). I had not really thought of this book idea of mine as a moneymaking idea as much as a way for people who had a need to express themselves to be able to do so. For years people have told me I should write a book I have so many different stories but I haven't felt I had any angle. But I do have my many years, both in the TM org and the years since, of thinking about it a lot and finding my way through life differently and more successfully than as a TM devotee to the degree I was. Perhaps no one would be interested in reading stories from people who were in a spiritual group or a religious group then left but then again they might for the same reason people go to AA meetings (for example) and derive comfort from hearing that other people have similar stories to their own. Ken -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Excuse me. This is so Ken Hassman. As I recall, until recently, Ken was a high school teacher in California. I figure giving Ken a hard time will drive him off quickly. Generally speaking this environment has always proven too harsh for him-upsets his delicate sensibilities. And the touchy feely tone gets to me. But Ken, IMHO you really need to tighten up your writing, if you do indeed, call yourself a writer. I have a different take. Going years back, Ken was a valuable contributor to FFL. He has interesting experiences in the TMO and in the world. I hope Ken doesn't take your bluntness too seriously. I would welcome his continued posting. I believe your post more accurately describes the perception most people had (have) of Ken. For whatever reason, I had a hard time relating to his experiences. I hope he sticks around as well. But we know the environment here can get pretty caustic, and many bail. But evidently Ken has returned looking for something rather than for discourse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dave Mallett
Wow, I am very envious you went to see A Prairie Home Companion. Where did you go? I have a lot of frequent flyer miles and have thought of going to Minneapolis. Is it hard to get tickets? Dave Mallett is one of my very favorite folk-type singers, he has about 3 albums but none of them really sound as good as he does live. My favorite song of his, also much better as a live version is, Summer of My Dreams. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just recently went to see A Prairie Home Companion and Maine's favorite folk singer-songwriter Dave Mallett did a couple of great songs. I was able to get good recording off the NPR website and made two songs up for a DVD. For those who enjoy folk music, here are two of those songs, Angel Standing By and a song from Thoreau's first trip to the Katahdin wilderness called Fishing. http://www.box.net/shared/static/l4noc3l8kg.mp3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi illness timeline
Hi All I'm not certain if this fits in this particular strand but it does relate to M and his illnesses. At an ATR course in Arosa, Switzerland back in 1976 an initiator from the U.S. who was also a successful practicing MD, told me of an incident in which M had him, the U.S. doctor, take him, M. to a local surgeon for prostate problems and the Swiss dr. recommended that M have his prostate removed. The U.S. doctor did not quite know how to deal with it until M gave the okay to have his prostate removed. More recently, 2003, a friend of mine who was one of the mucky-mucks at The Raj in FF told me of the many health problems M had, in particular diabetes and diabetes-related illnesses, and the most frustrating aspect of M's illnesses was getting M to take his medication: he was a very unccooperative patient. Also, that his vision was very bad but he was very vain and would not wear glasses. FWIW. Kenny H. nephrologist --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Oh, yeah, Amazon's data can be unreliable. But I was looking inside the book, i.e., at the scanned copyright page from the actual revised/updated edition of 2001. I don't know why I didn't think of this before. I have a copy of the first edition of Perfect Health. I just checked, the copyright notice says copyright 1990 Deepak Chopra. Huh! There must have been a revised edition that came out only a year later, and the 2001 revised/expanded edition was based on that rather than the 1990 first edition. Weird. Maybe there was something in the first edition that required correcting. If so, though, that early revised edition wouldn't be the edition Chopra was talking about in Untold Story, so he did get the date wrong. 1990 makes more sense with regard to MMY's illness, anyway. Thanks for checking! Curiouser and curiouser.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sopranos
I thought the ending more aptly simply reflected all of life-you never know what is going to happen next and this ending, with all the possibilities presented, and then cutting to black, was just that-the great mystery/surprise of what might happen next. KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sopranos How many of you saw the final episode of the Soprano's last night? Rather lame, IMHO, with its lack of closure. For those who didn't see it, everyone was expecting Tony Soprano to get offed, but at the end of the show, they just cut to black and left the outcome to the viewers' imagination. I never watched the series, but they were talking about it on Good Morning America this morning, speculating that the writers couldn't come up with a idea for ending it, or that they wanted to leave open the possibility of continuing the series. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] question for the Buddhists
Hi There, I have a question for you. The author of the book, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying is Sogyal Rinpoche. Is this his actual name and if you looked him up in an index would his name be listed as: Rinpoche, Sogyal or is one of these words/names a title? Thank you!! Ken
[FairfieldLife] rising sign of Sat Yuga
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/US/story?id=3238904page=1 For the second year in a row, violent crime has increased, Justice Department officials tell ABC News. A report to be released Monday cites a 1.3 increase in 2006. But robberies were up 6 percent, and murders in large cities also were up 6 percent. James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized.
[FairfieldLife] MS Outlook Help
Hello Group I have a question re: MS Outlook for which I cannot find an answer so I am hoping in this group of obviously avid computer users someone has the solution. Outlook (2003) will not allow me to send email with files of 2mb and over. I have looked everywhere for some way to increase the size of the files I send, many of which are bigger than 2mb. I am not on an exchange server, I work from a home office, my cable provider, Comcast, told me they have no limit and that it is an Outlook issue. Anyone have a solution so I can use Outlook 2003 to send large files? Thank you! Kenny H.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MS Outlook Help
Alex thanks. I know I can do that, and I can use my business account email at my godaddy account, too, from which I can send large files. It is more for the convenience of having all my bus contacts in files and addresses and sucn all in one place-in Outlook. Ken -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kennyhassman@ wrote: Hello Group I have a question re: MS Outlook for which I cannot find an answer so I am hoping in this group of obviously avid computer users someone has the solution. Outlook (2003) will not allow me to send email with files of 2mb and over. I have looked everywhere for some way to increase the size of the files I send, many of which are bigger than 2mb. I am not on an exchange server, I work from a home office, my cable provider, Comcast, told me they have no limit and that it is an Outlook issue. Anyone have a solution so I can use Outlook 2003 to send large files? I have no idea how to make Outlook handle large files. However, I do know there are various online services that act as an intermediary for sending large files. You can find them by doing a Google search on 'sending large files': http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=sending+large+files
[FairfieldLife] Into the Great Silence
http://www.zeitgeistfilms.com/film.php?directoryname=intogreatsilence Synopsis Nestled deep in the postcard-perfect French Alps, the Grande Chartreuse is considered one of the world's most ascetic monasteries. In 1984, German filmmaker Philip Gröning wrote to the Carthusian order for permission to make a documentary about them. They said they would get back to him. Sixteen years later, they were ready. Gröning, sans crew or artificial lighting, lived in the monks' quarters for six monthsfilming their daily prayers, tasks, rituals and rare outdoor excursions. This transcendent, closely observed film seeks to embody a monastery, rather than simply depict oneit has no score, no voiceover and no archival footage. What remains is stunningly elemental: time, space and light. One of the most mesmerizing and poetic chronicles of spirituality ever created, INTO GREAT SILENCE dissolves the border between screen and audience with a total immersion into the hush of monastic life. More meditation than documentary, it's a rare, transformative theatrical experience for all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somewhere in the Akash
Well, I know I will get bashed for this, but this whole discussion is a clearcut example of a stupid discussion, a seriously stupid discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Judy: Fine. But my point was that Curtis didn't address the plausibility of the scenario. Instead, he bashed the guy for purportedly attacking Rick on the basis of no evidence, after having decided--on the basis of no evidence--that the guy wasn't telling the truth when he said he was just speculating. Me: You missed my point completely. No, Curtis, sorry. Your point was obvious. I was making a different point. I wasn't commenting on his truth telling, I was disagreeing with him and his personal attack on Rick instead of dealing with issues Rick has raised. Yes, Curtis, I know that's what you were doing. But the only way you could do that was to claim he wasn't telling the truth when he said he was speculating. You didn't understand any of my previous response did you? Yes, Curtis. Sorry, your points were obvious. I was making a different point. Your point does not matter. The speculation point is your own weird fixation that completely missed the point of the conversation. No, Curtis, sorry. Your points were obvious. I was making a different point. You just don't want to deal with it. Judy: I was making a meta observation about *Curtis's* post, not addressing the validity or lack thereof of the guy's analysis. ME: Yes you were trying hard to find something wrong with what I said so you had to focus on an irrelevant point. I have a pretty good idea why you are so invested in defending a person who makes personal psychobabble comments about a person personally instead of talking about the intellectual points raised...ad hominem arguments are not valid. Is that clear enough? (Says Curtis, indulging in ad hominem.) No, I wasn't defending the guy in my posts about your post. I pointed that out explicitly. I was criticizing you. Judy: In my experience, Curtis tends to get all hoity-toity about folks not sticking to the evidence while he often does exactly the same thing he's criticizing. ME: Yes Judy I am both hoity and toity. Your point about evidence is, as I already pointed out, irrelevant since I was using his own words as the basis for my opinions. It was directly relevant to *my* point. You claimed he was just spinning when he said he was speculating. But you had no evidence for that. Your whole analysis was based on the notion that he was attacking Rick, saying that this *was so* about Rick. He said explicitly that he *didn't know* if it was so. He was the one who suggested that even though Rick didn't seem to express his list of negative emotions he still had them. You are the one who is making a big deal about evidence, my point was about personal attacks instead of discussing ideas. You missed my points completely in your weird focus on an irrelevant point. No, Curtis, sorry. Your points were obvious. I was making a different point. The most interesting thing for me from this exchange with you is what you have chosen to focus on in an otherwise interesting discussion. Once again you have missed the main points of the discussion No, Curtis, sorry. Your points were obvious. I was making a different point. while you pursue your own inexplicable agenda. Good luck with that. Not at all inexplicable. I've explained it at least three times now. It's also a point I've made before. You just don't want to deal with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction vs. Jumping on Bandwagon (was-Feeding the world...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much like everything Maharishi does. Anyone remembers his electrical car project in the '80s ? Now electrical cars could help save this planet... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest just like MMY predicted. I guess he IS right once in awhile, eh? To say that MMY predicts these things is to make it sound like he thought of these ideas. He did not. Most of these ideas, like organic agriculture, ayurveda in the west, electric cars, etc. have been talked about for many years before MMY decided he would make them a cause célèbre.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/3/07 12:17:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rick@ writes: I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself This plan has my vote. Since we all already know who has no self control and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of the week, this one now has my vote, too. There was no need for you to make any reference to anyone else-that is definitely you in the role of provocateur. You could have said, simply: I vote for 35 posts per week.
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[FairfieldLife] Why doesn't someone start a new open-ended group (was Re: Narada)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs. I had a thought as I was reading this-and that is, why don't you-Judy, or some of the others here who would like a more open-ended nonlimited forum for discussions, start a different yahoo group, they are very easy to start up and then you just post news of it here and people who want to have no limits can join that group? I'm not interested as I do like this blander version of FFlife, but there are a solid handful of posters here who have expressed the desire for this. It would take all of ten minutes to start up the yahoo group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like it or not, the posting limit works, and praise of it is almost unanimous. The 7-post limit is kind of an interesting idea. Any feedback on that? Yah, if the praise of the 5-post limit is nearly unanimous why not leave it as is-what is two more posts per person going to do? People have done a wonderful job in five posts. KH
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Case for Modifying The Five Post Limit
For what little my opinion will be worth, and I'm mainly a lurker, I have really enjoyed reading FF Life again since the 5 post limit came into being. It is much more manageable, the tone is much more civil, and there is not a lot of one liner posts and the people who felt a need to post about anything and everything either have left the group of they have learned to post less. I vote to keep it like this, with the five posts. Kenny H. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble with this idea is that, as you said, counting is difficult. But if people really wanted me to, I'd be willing to average posts over a week, and start the recount each Monday morning. Let's have feedback on that idea. An alternative would be for you to do all your writing in your email program or in 5 long emails which you save as drafts until you've done all the writing you want to do and can send them. Of course, that prevents the liveliness of back and forth dialog, and might discourage readership, as many people wouldn't want to read big long things, unless they were extremely well written. I used to notice that FFL became more active on weekends, especially Sundays, as people have more time to participate. So again, I'm open to the idea of a 35-post weekly limit for each member. Let's get some feedback on that.
[FairfieldLife] EMF Protection
Hello All, There are various EMF protection devices on the market, such at the Q-link pendants/bracelets, and ClearWave clocks, the Quantum products of various types. Has anyone here used any of these products and clearly noticed a difference in how they felt? I work for umpteen hours at a computer, dual monitors and all the other electronic devices around here, and often feel frazzled and someone recommended some of these products, none of which are cheap. I'm willing to buy if warranted but how does one separate the hype from the reality? Perhaps personal testimonials would be a good place to start?! Ken
[FairfieldLife] Re: EMF Protection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Here in So Cal, Mt. Wilson is a powerful EMF source over a wide area because of broadcast antennas. An electronics prof told us that if you went up on top of the mountain with a fluorescent light, it would light up -- don't know if this is accurate, but's it's a strong EMF source: http://www.ortho.lsuhsc.edu/Faculty/Marino/EL/EL10/Levels.html Bob, thanks, good information to have. So maybe instead of seeing if I can reduce the EMF sources here in my office I should move my office to Mt. Wilson and go the opposite extreme. I can expose my body to massive amounts of EMF, enough to light up my 3-tooth upper bridge. Then I won't need to use my desk lamp thereby cutting out one source of electrical current. KH
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think the The Secret is a pant load of new age poop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netisquared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Apparently Byron Katie and her husband Steven Mitchell don't think that much of the so- called Secret either: Please consider commenting on this movie/book in the Parlor. Much love, Susan Dearest Susan, Here are StephenÕs thoughts: The Secret: ÒMy will be done. I know whatÕs best for me.Ó The Work: ÒThy will be done (=Thy will is done). WhatÕs best for me is what actually happens.Ó I have grappled with this concept for a long time and the closest I can personally come to it is What happens for me is what happens for me. I may not think it is the best, but I know it is what happens. KH (In A Thousand Names for Joy, Katie says, ÒGodÕs will and your will are the same, whether you notice it or not.Ó) The Secret: ÒYou can control your thoughts.Ó The Work: ÒYou are not the thinker. ItÕs not possible to suppress your stressful thoughts. But when you question them, they let go of you.Ó The Secret: ÒYou can manifest your positive thoughts as reality.Ó The Work: ÒReality already is the best thing that could be manifested. When you realize this, youÕre home free.Ó
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and yet, because I'm posting here, I'm willing to bet that I cannot get a dome badge now. Edg I used to post here fairly often, I was fairly critical about some things, and, in fact, I wrote letters to both Hagelin and Bevan telling them that I personally knew of instances where they had slept with married movement ladies and did not appreciate their lording it over others while being deceitful themselves, even got responses back from each of their assistants, and applied to go to Fairfield a few months ago when the big push was on, and was accepted to the course. Kenny H. 5. Harass citizens' groups Ask L.B. about this. Ask how almost anyone in power in the movement can arch an eyebrow and say, Maharishi wouldn't like that, and suddenly, one understands about the subtlety of harassment. 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release I was called on the carpet when I got on the blacklist. I had to explain myself, then I was released, and of course, I told my story to others and the fear spread from that too. Sigh. 7. Target key individuals So many cannot show their faces in Fairfield and have any hope of comfort. Anyone with a dome badge just cannot be free; the party line is spewed by everyone or they're banned; the targeting of individuals is done in the back room, and no one hardly ever is told why or how to rectify the situation. 8. Control the press Ask L.B. how long his rag was allowed to be freely distributed on campus. Ask anyone who has ever worked on any TM publication if their ideas had any chance of being sincerely attended to if it involved, you know, suggesting less gold ink, or perhaps marketing might be improved by using less photos of groups of smarmy looking Hindus who were seemingly on the verge of death but who were on the stage and posing as great health practitioners -- whatever, there was no freedom to be creative outside the TM box. 9. Dissent equals treason Ask John Lennon why he left India. Once you cross the movement in some serious way, it just becomes clear immediately that a bridge has been burned forever, that the movement NEVER was really interested in dialog -- only brainwashing and groveling. 10. Suspend the rule of law When I'd finally saved up enough credits by initiating to get on a sidhi course, they said, All that money's been taken away. Luckily, it was just then a new policy, and I was able to squeak loudly enough to get the course. But the movement will make up any rule and expect that if one is harmed by that that one much just suck it up and shut completely up about it, and never, never, never expect the movement to respect one for any amount of true believerism on one's part. Ask Chopra. After he'd gotten so many media cameras to think, Hey, maybe this TM thing works, cuz look here's a very together guy espousing it -- with credentials no less -- the movement dumped him like he was radioactive and then tried revisionist history making as they erased all traces of his association with TM. Edg the Badgeless
[FairfieldLife] TV Tuner-Capture for PC
Hello All, Has anyone here reading FFLife hooked up a a tv capture card on their pc, either a card or a usb capture card? I want to be able to watch tv in a little screen on my monitor while working and have read such mixed reviews about these products. Ken
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama on Virginia Tech Imus' Violent Speech'
It's amazing how worked up everyone in this country and around the world has gotten over this one incident of 33 being murdered. This is the minimum of what goes on in Iraq every single day, or even less than every 24 hours. Every single day. The daily carnage in Iraq outdoes and its been going on daily for 4 years. I don't see anyone in this country making as big a deal of that as this one incident. In the last 3 years over 400,000 people have been killed in Darfur, that comes to over 350 people killed per day. I don't see any of the politicians making a big show of mourning the loss of these 33 students raising one single finger to do something about the genocide in Darfur. Bush makes a great show of flying to Virginia and expressing his sorrow. Yet when hundreds and thousands of people in Iraq are being massacred, including and cerntainly not limited to American soldiers, he hasn't attended the funeral of one single soldier, no less allow their returning coffins to be displayed. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Gimbel Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:31 PM To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Obama on Virginia Tech Imus' Violent Speech' What's interesting about him is that he doesn't try to hype the crowd with a lot of shouting and theatrics. He stays settled. Some would say he's a deadpan speaker, at least in this talk. But I see that as a sign of his having and being able to keep a cool head.
[FairfieldLife] I'll take three bananas, please
Chimps More Evolved Than Humans http://tinyurl.com/2m6qaa Jeanna Bryner LiveScience Staff Writer LiveScience.com Tue Apr 17, 11:10 AM ET Since the human-chimp split about 6 million years ago, chimpanzee genes can be said to have evolved more than human genes, a new study suggests. ADVERTISEMENT The results, detailed online this week in the Proceedings of the large brains, cognitive abilities and bi-pedalism. Jianzhi Zhang of the University of Michigan and his colleagues analyzed strings of DNA from nearly 14,000 protein-coding genes shared by chimps and humans. They looked for differences gene by gene and whether they caused changes in the generated proteins. Genes act as instructions that organisms use to make proteins and thus are integral to carrying out biological functions, such as transporting oxygen to the body's cells. Different versions of the same gene are called alleles. Changes in DNA that affect the making of proteins are considered functional changes, while silent changes do not affect the proteins. If we see an excess of functional changes (compared to silent changes) the inference is these functional changes occurred because they were positively selected, because they were useful in some way to the organism, said study team member Margaret Bakewell, also of UM. Bakewell, Zhang and a colleague found that substantially more genes in chimps evolved in ways that were beneficial than was the case with human genes. The results could be due to the fact that over the long term humans have had a smaller effective population size compared with chimps. Although there are now many more humans than chimps, in the past, human populations were much smaller, and may have been fragmented into even smaller groups, Bakewell told LiveScience. So random events would play a more dominant role than natural selection in humans. Here is why: Under the process of natural selection, gene variants that are beneficial get selected for and become more common in a population over time. But genetic drift, a random process in which chance decides which alleles survive, also occurs. In smaller populations, a fortuitous break for one or two alleles can have a disproportionately greater impact on the overall genes of that population compared with a larger one. Chance events could also explain why the scientists found more gene variants that were either neutral and had no functional impact or negative changes that are involved in diseases. There is still much to learn, the scientists say, about human and chimp evolution. There are possibly a lot of differences between human and chimps that we don't know about, [perhaps] because there are differences in chimps that nobody has studied; a lot of studies tend to focus on humans, Bakewell said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Free Blog: Reader Asks Questions about Angry Sidha
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather interesting, since one of the welcome side-benefits of effective meditation *should* be decrease in negative emotions, their intensity and their duration. Where is it said that this is the case? My understanding of meditation is that it is for the development of consciousness which is an entity unto itself. And in the long run, because of it's activation/enlivenment (whatever you call it), the person still has their personality, with the difference that though they may have their personality and the way they are in life, the good-the bad-the ugly, their consciousness is increasingly fully developed so they are no longer attached to their actions and I don't mean that in a moodmaking sort of way. It may be for most if not at least the many, that over the years of meditation the tendency to get angry diminishes but is it a rule? Does that mean that meditation is not effective for that person if 30 years later they still get angry? Would it say anything about their consciousness, per se, if they still got angry? After all these years I have come to doubt that is the case. I think people are who they are, and if they are making it a point not to strain to behave in ways that are not suitable for them (I'm a meditator, therefore I don't get angry) maybe they still will get angry. And we cannot know if their meditation is effective or not, just because they still get angry. Ken On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:52 PM, taskcentered wrote: Readers here may be helpful in answering questions a woman raises about her ex's anger, who was a long-term TM insider. She also reflects on the Maharishi's anger and abusive nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some weird Swedish guitar stuff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://truetemperament.com/main.php?go=0lan=1 Cardemaister, Are you a guitar player? Intonation problems can (and do) drive guitar players mad and over the years there have been many variations on this theme of adjusting individual guitars so they are intonated properly up and down the neck. Many years ago, a TM guy, Tom Stone, devised a series of interchangeable fingerboards so depending on what key a tune was in, you would swap out the fingerboard to use the one that was intonated properly for the particular key you were in. Then, when you switched to a tune in a different key, you would swap out the fingerboard to the one with the new key. These interchangeable necks never really caught on though I believe that Tom Stone is still involved in this field somehow. The most presently popular of these intonation systems is the Buzz Feiten system. The fingerboard depicted in this site you refer to looks odd, but it probably does a good job of correcting intonation. Kenny H.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ivica Kosti#263; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which kind of pandit is Newt Gingrich? I heard, from sources on Mother Divine, that he specializes in the Oy Vey-da. KH uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Its out with the fairies. Uns. - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=emJhc2VsbGk5MDk4 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cooking with a pressure cooker
Hey all! Anyone here use a pressure cooker to cook their beans/grains? I just got a pressure cooker and a separate Ohsawa pot to use inside the pressure cooker, this was highly recommended. Does anyone here have experience using both a pressure cooker as well as an Ohsawa pot insert? If so, kindly contact me off-group!! kennyhassman AT yahoo DOT com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cooking with a pressure cooker
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kennyhassman@ wrote: Hey all! Anyone here use a pressure cooker to cook their beans/grains? I just got a pressure cooker and a separate Ohsawa pot to use inside the pressure cooker, this was highly recommended. Does anyone here have experience using both a pressure cooker as well as an Ohsawa pot insert? If so, kindly contact me off-group!! kennyhassman AT yahoo DOT com No but I have experience in giving up grains and beans -- except for some sprouts -- and the huge gycemic burden a heavy use of such place one ones system. Leading to constant inner' inflamation -- (prostglandins and all), long term health degradation, and feeling bad from a veg diet. Well, it's an individual bichemistry thing, don't you think? Different bodies react differently to different foods. I've been eating 1-2 cups of beans per day, lots of veggies, nuts, a little cheese and my blood glucose, which was too high, is now down into the normal range on a consistent basis. You can choose beans and grains with a low glycemic index, there are enough of them. Some of the grains are not only low on the glycemic index but are also low in gluten. KH It feels Great! Almost as great as getting ones Omega-6 / Omega-3 essential fatty acids to a ratio 2. Approaching 1. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Morning Kabbalah Reading
Good morning brethren! This comes from a book on Nursing that I am doing some work for: According to one of the central figures of Kabbalah, Rabbi Isaac Luria (15341572) held that during creation, the vessels containing the light of creation shattered, and the light became concealed as holy sparks. Every particle and being in our physical universe contains sparks of holiness. Our task, according to Luria, is to release each spark from the shell and raise it up to return to its original state. The sparks are raised through acts of loving kindness, of being in harmony with the universe, and through higher awareness Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi said.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a bit of a hard case on this subject :-), but I think that trusting *anyone* more than you trust yourself is the culprit here. The problem is not in trusting Maharishi and what he says more than you trust your own perceptions, it's trusting *anyone* -- any authority figure in the world -- more than you trust your own perceptions. The very process of doing this is, in my opinion, contrary to the process of enlightenment. This-your paragraph right about this-seems to be very mythic as Joseph Campbell talks so clearly about. It's the story of the young child totally trusting the parents and, as they get older, they eventually reject the parent and usually go through a period of disdain for the parents. He gives many examples of this and literature is filled with the same. Good reminder Barry, thanks. Enlightenment is all *about* trusting yourSelf more than you trust anyone or anything else. It's about realizing that what you have sought has never not been present, and that all the seeking was just something to do until you realized that there was nowhere to go, nothing to gain, nothing to seek. That realization is *always* subjective, internal. It can never be fully understood intellectually; it can never be described in words; it can only be experienced. On this I am not sure and maybe sometime in my life it will become clearer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi said.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kennyhassman@ wrote: -I'm sorry for posting the ramblings of my mind from one point earlier in the day. By the time I deleted it Judy had already posted a reply and now you. I understand, believe me, it was just some of the blather passing through and I impulsively posted it. I'm not sorry. It's a fascinating point. Maharishi *trained* his teachers to invoke this two-word thought-stopper. And so we invoked it, most of the time with the desired effect. It was a control freak technique then (when we used it, or when he did it first-hand, issuing some 'pronouncement' to stop a discussion that was leading somewhere he didn't want it to go), and it's a control freak technique now. I think that feeling a little ill when you hear it is a sign of mental health. snip Enlightenment is all *about* trusting yourSelf more than you trust anyone or anything else. It's about realizing that what you have sought has never not been present, and that all the seeking was just something to do until you realized that there was nowhere to go, nothing to gain, nothing to seek.snip Is Maharishi not your Self? and if he isn't, who is? I never know what to do/say when someone makes a statement like yours-it's akin to Maharishi said... The parent who murders their child-are they not also my Self? The soldiers we are reading about who rape and murder innocent women and children, are they not also my Self? I have no idea if they are or not, they certainly don't seem to be *little self* me. As to the supposed *big Self* me, so what if we are the same at that level? It's very poetic buy why does that make things right? SO whst? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi said.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A gal I knew from another spiritual trip had an inter- esting theory about this stuff. She felt that although there is a lot of variety among the spiritual seekers one finds in this world, basically you can pretty safely sort them into two categories. The first category is composed of the seekers who are content with reading about other people's adventures. They get off on scriptures and tales of other people's enlightenment, and on intellectual discussions of other people's experiences, and that's enough for them. The second category is composed of mystics, those who will settle for nothing less than having their *own* experiences. Reading about them isn't enough; talking about them isn't enough; coming up with entertaining (but essentially worthless) models to explain the experiences isn't enough. They want the Real Thing, and if the spiritual group or teacher they're assoc- iated with isn't providing it, they move on to some- thing that does. I've always tended to agree with her assessment. In general, the people in the first group say Maharishi says (or Fill-in-name-of-teacher-or-historical-saint here says) a lot. Because they're not actually *having* very many spiritual experiences, they assume that no one else is either, and therefore they become dependent on intellectual analysis of Other People's Experiences, especially those of their teacher, whom they *imagine* is having all *sorts* of good experiences. Barry, there is no way you/we can know whether ...they're not actually having very many spiritual experiences... Who knows who they even are, how they would define spirituality, what they were really looking for, how their interpretations of their own growth in life have changed, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi said.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A gal I knew from another spiritual trip had an inter- esting theory about this stuff. She felt that although there is a lot of variety among the spiritual seekers one finds in this world, basically you can pretty safely sort them into two categories. The first category is composed of the seekers who are content with reading about other people's adventures. They get off on scriptures and tales of other people's enlightenment, and on intellectual discussions of other people's experiences, and that's enough for them. The second category is composed of mystics, those who will settle for nothing less than having their *own* experiences. Reading about them isn't enough; talking about them isn't enough; coming up with entertaining (but essentially worthless) models to explain the experiences isn't enough. They want the Real Thing, and if the spiritual group or teacher they're assoc- iated with isn't providing it, they move on to some- thing that does. I've always tended to agree with her assessment. In general, the people in the first group say Maharishi says (or Fill-in-name-of-teacher-or-historical-saint here says) a lot. Because they're not actually *having* very many spiritual experiences, they assume that no one else is either, and therefore they become dependent on intellectual analysis of Other People's Experiences, especially those of their teacher, whom they *imagine* is having all *sorts* of good experiences. Barry, there is no way you/we can know whether ...they're not actually having very many spiritual experiences... Who knows you they even are, how they would define spirituality, what they were really looking for, how their interpretations of their own growth in life have changed, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Hey Rick What do I know, maybe it's important for people to make comments like she made, comment on! I mean if we are dedicated to cracking the rocks of ignorance (or whatever that saying was) its probably good to hear all viewpoints, eh?! KH In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/11/06 1:12 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). It was just a private conversation. I probably shouldn¹t have repeated it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative diatribes. I am not going to get suckered in past this post. An old long-time friend of yours from Rama, who is a really long-time friend of mine, recently told me that you really do seem to like to argue. I can see it clearly now. It's like when my parents finally got divorced and I would visit each separately. I discovered that one parent had done a brilliant job at manipulating popular opinion against the other. When they were no longer together, it was amazing to find that the one who had done the manipulating against the other was far more responsible than we were all led to believe. Your comment seems purposefully inflammatory. KH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi said.....
I must have prefaced thousands of statements I made with those three words for nearly twenty years. At some point I started to feel a very faint note of disbelief within myself everytime I heard myself saying those words. That phase lasted for nearly twenty years. Now, when I even see those words I feel ill. Why-I'm asking-do so many people seem to still base their lives/statements/beliefs, etc. on him and what he has said. While I hold him dear in my heart as someone I deeply loved and believed for so many years, at some point I had to admmit that nearly nothing he said or promised had ever materialized in my own life. Not only that but the overall influence of believing what he said seemed to have caused a massive downhill slide which took half a dozen years of really hard personal effort to turn around. I've *surrendered* (for lack of a better word) to the connection I have with him, but it's sure not one that is based on credibility. Kenny H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi said.....
-I'm sorry for posting the ramblings of my mind from one point earlier in the day. By the time I deleted it Judy had already posted a reply and now you. I understand, believe me, it was just some of the blather passing through and I impulsively posted it. KH -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No jnana. Avidya. Agnosis. Find your own answers, they're out there and in you. In the Mahaparinibbana Sutra, the last words of the Buddha are said to be: You are the Light itself, Rely on yourself, Do not rely on others. The Dharma is the Light, Rely on the Dharma, Do not rely on anything other than the Dharma. Of course if think the above is total BS, don't rely on that either. On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Kenny H wrote: I must have prefaced thousands of statements I made with those three words for nearly twenty years. At some point I started to feel a very faint note of disbelief within myself everytime I heard myself saying those words. That phase lasted for nearly twenty years. Now, when I even see those words I feel ill. Why-I'm asking-do so many people seem to still base their lives/statements/beliefs, etc. on him and what he has said. While I hold him dear in my heart as someone I deeply loved and believed for so many years, at some point I had to admmit that nearly nothing he said or promised had ever materialized in my own life. Not only that but the overall influence of believing what he said seemed to have caused a massive downhill slide which took half a dozen years of really hard personal effort to turn around. I've *surrendered* (for lack of a better word) to the connection I have with him, but it's sure not one that is based on credibility. Kenny H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi said.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kennyhassman@ wrote: -I'm sorry for posting the ramblings of my mind from one point earlier in the day. By the time I deleted it Judy had already posted a reply and now you. I understand, believe me, it was just some of the blather passing through and I impulsively posted it. Ken, most of the posts on this forum are just some of the blather passing through our minds-- HA! agreed! why should you be any different?? Put it out there, run it up the flagpole and see who salutes! It's not engraved in stone. Give it a test drive. You can take it back to the Dealer if you decide it's the wrong color. KH -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: No jnana. Avidya. Agnosis. Find your own answers, they're out there and in you. In the Mahaparinibbana Sutra, the last words of the Buddha are said to be: You are the Light itself, Rely on yourself, Do not rely on others. The Dharma is the Light, Rely on the Dharma, Do not rely on anything other than the Dharma. Of course if think the above is total BS, don't rely on that either. On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Kenny H wrote: I must have prefaced thousands of statements I made with those three words for nearly twenty years. At some point I started to feel a very faint note of disbelief within myself everytime I heard myself saying those words. That phase lasted for nearly twenty years. Now, when I even see those words I feel ill. Why-I'm asking-do so many people seem to still base their lives/statements/beliefs, etc. on him and what he has said. While I hold him dear in my heart as someone I deeply loved and believed for so many years, at some point I had to admmit that nearly nothing he said or promised had ever materialized in my own life. Not only that but the overall influence of believing what he said seemed to have caused a massive downhill slide which took half a dozen years of really hard personal effort to turn around. I've *surrendered* (for lack of a better word) to the connection I have with him, but it's sure not one that is based on credibility. Kenny H. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Nursing and the Future
I thought this was interesting enough to post here. It's in an as of yet unpublished book, published by a major purveyor of nursing books (for nurses). This is a philosophical nursing book (who woulda thunk!) aimed at nursing scholars (PhD's). I am writing the index for the book. *** The new millennium brings a time of transition and likely radical change. Authors such as Davis (1988) and Swimme Berryf(1992) have been sounding the alert that current changes in the life systems of the earth are so extensive that a major epoch is ending. The names of the eras are conceptual expressions invented to enable us to think about the larger patterns of functioning of the biosystems of the planet. The Paleozoic, the Mesozoic, and the Cenozoic eras covered about 550 million years. During the 67 million years known as the Cenozoic era, expansive life processes developed on the earth. It is significant that the great creativity of this era emerged without human influence. Rather, humankind appeared late in the era,actually having no say about their appearance upon the earth. The next era will be different. Swimme and Berry (1992) noted that we are entering into a new period of creativity participated in by the entire earth community. They identify this new period as the Ecozoic era, a fourth biological era. The authors highlighted the central commitment of the emerging Ecozoic as an era of communion of subjects rather than a collection of objects. Together people will decide what kind of a universe we will inhabit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Amazing site
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[FairfieldLife] Great Pete Seeger interview
for Pete Seeger fans you watch a really great interview with Amy Goodman. Amazing how lucid he is, his memory is crystal clear. KH http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/1443245 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/1/06 8:34 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did. Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was able to think he was celibate when he dallying with his gopis. Another possibility, which I¹m open to, is that at his stage of evolution celibacy made no difference, but he needed to recommend it to his students. Would he have been able to explain that point to them? I'm not certain how this fits in here but what you said, above, broguth this to mind. There are many stories in various aspects of the vedic literature, probably the puranas, of these guys who go off to the forest, practice celibacy, and other forms or austerities for many years, build up great spiritual reserve, get boons granted to them, then some celestial nymph comes along and tempts them and in one moment they lose all the spiritual potency they took so long to achieve. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hooray for Ken! Thanks kindly Rick. At 58, I'm very happy to have now passed my dad, who died at 57. KH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- authfriend wrote: I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just about sex but any bad habit or behavior--masters have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in that habit or behavior because they perceive (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse their followers and get in the way of their sadhana. Maybe the solution would be for the master to promote his or her sadhana as a single element one adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting students give up this behavior or adopt that one. Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - diets, sexual protocols and such - would free the master from having to exemplify the ideal lifestyle. But what master has ever taken such a tack? It would be bold indeed. MMY did at first, then he changed his mind. Personally, I always thought that Maharishi should have kept his message as simple as it first started out-twenty minutes twice per day then go about living your normal life, no change in lifestyle required (yes I know, this is where people will say, well you didn't have to choose to add everything else), 200% of life--100% inner + 100% outer, etc. We used to tell people at intro lectures that the great thing about TM was that you didn't even have to believe in it, which, of course you still don't, but we also used to say that it was not a lifestyle. It was a fairly innocent message with a smack of Hinduism which made it all the more delicious during that era. But he was talking to teachers here, no? Not the rank and file. The most devoted followers are always going to try to emulate the master every way they can, no matter what the master says or doesn't say. And they're all going to have some idea of what constitutes good behavior. I think to some extent the conundrum is unavoidable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Those Were the Days
If you want to hear an absolutely great album listen to Dolly Parton's new album, Those Were the Days. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vipassana meditation (Re: Meditation builds up the brain)
Is Vipassana meditation a generic term for a particular style of meditation or is it a specific technique. Is there a particular style/form/type (you get the drift) of Vipassana meditation that is considered *THE* Vipassana meditation? Ken -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vipassana, which is a different style of meditation than TM. It's also being used very successfully for rehabilitation in prisons worldwide. If you would like to see the the documentary on this, I could post it again. Very compelling. This was the conference which the Dalai Lama also spoke at. The Dalai Lama and numerous other Lamas and Buddhists have been involved in and interested in Neuroscience for many years. You'll soon see the beginning studies coming out on all the different forms of Buddhist meditation including classes of meditation like TM. On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Dick Mays wrote: This is from New Scientist magazine. It doesn't say what kind of meditation people were doing, but the results reported (in studies by neutral scientists) are pretty impressive. Meditation builds up the brain 15 November 2005 NewScientist.com news service Alison Motluk Bruce O'Hara, University of Kentucky Massachusetts General Hospital Meditating does more than just feel good and calm you down, it makes you perform better - and alters the structure of your brain, researchers have found. People who meditate say the practice restores their energy, and some claim they need less sleep as a result. Many studies have reported that the brain works differently during meditation - brainwave patterns change and neuronal firing patterns synchronise. But whether meditation actually brings any of the restorative benefits of sleep has remained largely unexplored. So Bruce O'Hara and colleagues at the University of Kentucky in Lexington, US, decided to investigate. They used a well-established psychomotor vigilance task, which has long been used to quantify the effects of sleepiness on mental acuity. The test involves staring at an LCD screen and pressing a button as soon as an image pops up. Typically, people take 200 to 300 milliseconds to respond, but sleep-deprived people take much longer, and sometimes miss the stimulus altogether. Ten volunteers were tested before and after 40 minutes of either sleep, meditation, reading or light conversation, with all subjects trying all conditions. The 40-minute nap was known to improve performance (after an hour or so to recover from grogginess). But what astonished the researchers was that meditation was the only intervention that immediately led to superior performance, despite none of the volunteers being experienced at meditation. Every single subject showed improvement, says O'Hara. The improvement was even more dramatic after a night without sleep. But, he admits: Why it improves performance, we do not know. The team is now studying experienced meditators, who spend several hours each day in practice. Brain builder What effect meditating has on the structure of the brain has also been a matter of some debate. Now Sara Lazar at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, US, and colleagues have used MRI to compare 15 meditators, with experience ranging from 1 to 30 years, and 15 non-meditators. They found that meditating actually increases the thickness of the cortex in areas involved in attention and sensory processing, such as the prefrontal cortex and the right anterior insula. You are exercising it while you meditate, and it gets bigger, she says. The finding is in line with studies showing that accomplished musicians, athletes and linguists all have thickening in relevant areas of the cortex. It is further evidence, says Lazar, that yogis aren't just sitting there doing nothing. The growth of the cortex is not due to the growth of new neurons, she points out, but results from wider blood vessels, more supporting structures such as glia and astrocytes, and increased branching and connections. The new studies were presented at the Society for Neuroscience annual meeting, in Washington DC, US. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Series I Bonds
For those who are looking for a simple, safe place to park some money, at a much better rate than cd's or money markets, right now you can purchase Series I inflation-adjusted bonds with an interest rate of 6.73%. You can either go to www.treasury.gov or any big commercial bank. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra/MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? A friend of mine who is a chiropractor and was one of the first doctors of any kind trained in MAV, sat with Dr. Raju in India and did thousands of pulses under his tutelage, then was the director, for about five years of a MAV clinic, was told directly, once Deepak become perona non grata, by the Upper Mucky Mucks that all items in the clinic that were related to Deepak had to be immediately removed AND that s/he, personally, was to no longer have any personal association with Chopra. It was at this point that s/he cut all ties with the movement and has been quite successful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) f
I think you are sorely mistaken. I don't think many would even take notice of someone floating in the air. I mean who cares, really? What does it have to do with the bulk of people's lives who are primarily concerned with such mundane things like: *earning a living *paying for food *health insurance *gasoline approaching $3/gallon *an administration trying to screw with Social Security *also trying to rewrite the tax code and screw people out of their mortgage deduction to name a few. Add paying $2500 to learn TM so they can spend the next 35 years trying to float? I don't think so. kh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 11:19 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Himalayan masters have outdated ideas. Just a single guy manages to float in the air,.. John Hagelin will be the next president of United States of America. No, the fundamentalist Christians, who are a powerful voting block in this country, would go bananas and oppose him violently if necessary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) f
Maybe to most of what you have written However, I don't consider $350,000+ for an 800-1000 sq. foot 2 br/1 bath bungalow (here in Sacramento) in a lousy neighborhood affordable. Go a few blocks over and the same houses are already at half a million. Go a bit further south towards the Bay Area or east towards Tahoe and you start getting to the $500,000+ range for a small-normal size home, not the estate one would have imagined for this kind of money. Do you know that the cost of --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *also trying to rewrite the tax code and screw people out of their mortgage deduction And who is getting screwed out of thier mortgage deduction? Under the proposal, the average home owner will maintian their full deductiblity. And those who are unable to deduct it now, because they dont save enough by itemizing will be able to deduct it. Who will lose part of their deduction? The upper third or so on the wealth scale. You seem overly concerned for these poor souls. First, they will retain dudutability up to about the average price home regionally. Thus in California, those with a million dollar home, would, under the proposal, be only be able deduct the mortgage interest equivalent to about a $400-500,000 home. And yet, in balance, a lot of these taax payers are not currently able to deduct for such, because at their incomes the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) kicks in. But under the proposal, AMT will be killed, thus the upper third or tax payers trade part of their mortgage deduction for elimination of the onerous AMT. So don't cry too hard for these upper 1/3 of taxpayers who will be affected. (Which seems odd for you -- to cry for such (mostly Republicans), but I guess its just compassion bubbling out for all of God's creatures.) Their taxes will be pretty much uneffected as the AMT gains will balance out the partial mortgage deducability loss. And the lower 2/3s of tax payers will be generally uneffected -- or will actually gain -- by being able to deduct mortgage interest when they can't now. And the overall effect will be to make housing more affordable. A good thing, yes? What is interesting is your implication that mortgage interest deductions is an entitlement. It is a poor policy economically, having been a huge bonanza of a tax shelter for the rich and has contributed to current housing being out of reach for 85% of potential buyers. An effect will be that less money will be sunk into fancy show-off houses and more into capital investments which will raise productivity and wage rates for all. A good thing, yes? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Paris Burning?
Judy, That is a good question and would have been my next question but there wasn't enough time to ask. I just fired off an e-mail asking her if she could send me a description of what her direct experience is like. KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, fwiw, I just spoke with my 27 year old niece who lives in the heart of Paris and she said that what is actually going on over there is nothing like the press here in the U.S. has made it out to be. She recently watched CNN and could not believe how exaggerated they made it out to be. And that the reporter from CNN completely ignored the French person he was interviewing and kept hypersensationalizing it, in spite of what was being said straight from someone who lives there. So what *is* happening in Paris? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Paris Burning? Part II
Here is the reply I just received from my niece, direct from Paris. Basically what I've observed is nothing. I came into Charles DeGaulle Airport, and all modes of transport were open to me, unlike the reported closure of trains on CNN. I go out almost every night and have never seen a fire. I eavesdrop mercilessly, and the only people talking about it are doing it in english- with british or american accents. The riots are happening, but they're the expression of one community far on the outskirts of Paris AND from what the local news reports they're on a serious decline. It's unfortunate that the people behind the rioting are so incredibly justified for their anger, but Paris is not on fire. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, That is a good question and would have been my next question but there wasn't enough time to ask. I just fired off an e-mail asking her if she could send me a description of what her direct experience is like. KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, fwiw, I just spoke with my 27 year old niece who lives in the heart of Paris and she said that what is actually going on over there is nothing like the press here in the U.S. has made it out to be. She recently watched CNN and could not believe how exaggerated they made it out to be. And that the reporter from CNN completely ignored the French person he was interviewing and kept hypersensationalizing it, in spite of what was being said straight from someone who lives there. So what *is* happening in Paris? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: pc recording studio home setup--version 2 $100!
Ben Thanks for both your posts with the recommendations. I will check this out over the weekend. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It also occurs to me that there very nice condenser mic that goes right into your PC's USB port for about $79. Then all you need is the software. There is some free audio editing software called Audacity that you can get from SourceForge.com. So you are in business for less than $100! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenny, I havea setup that I use for my Vedic Mytholoogy podcast. Personally, I like using Sony Audio Studio for recording software. It is readily available from a variety of sources and not too expensive $69. Then I suggest going to a place like MusiciansFriend.com and buy yourself a good condenser mic ($70 for an MXL), stand $20, and a mixer with a USB interface (Alesis for $114). and you are all set to go! Let me know if you need any help. Ben --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group I have a beautiful Taylor 12-string guitar (the sound transports me when I play) and a gorgeous Martin D-18 custom guitar and I want to lay down some multilayered tracks here at home so I can make beautiful music with myself (smooch). Has anyone reading here at FFLife had experience in setting up their pc as a recording studio? I need to start really basic just so I can lay down a rhythm track or two to practice along with and then eventually add some lead lines. I'd appreciate any advice I can get about doing this. Post to me here or beep me at kennyhassman at yahoo dot com KH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] pc recording studio home setup
Hello Group I have a beautiful Taylor 12-string guitar (the sound transports me when I play) and a gorgeous Martin D-18 custom guitar and I want to lay down some multilayered tracks here at home so I can make beautiful music with myself (smooch). Has anyone reading here at FFLife had experience in setting up their pc as a recording studio? I need to start really basic just so I can lay down a rhythm track or two to practice along with and then eventually add some lead lines. I'd appreciate any advice I can get about doing this. Post to me here or beep me at kennyhassman at yahoo dot com KH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
You know, I don't think it is that theese people have no experience with reality, including Maharishi. I think they just don't care to participate in everyone else's version of it. It is the way they act out their particular drama. It's the way President George W. Bush operates. Is he unaware of the effect his policies are having on people who aren't wealthy, on the already poor and disenfranchised, on the middle class who are finding themselves increasinlgy unable to finance the American way of life? He cannot be unaware, he just doesn't care to concern himself with it in his own particular version of reality. To me, it seems like MMY/the TMO comes up with these loopy ideas, underneath it all, maybe in their subconcscious mind they are looking to be able to say, See, the world sucks and once again here is the proof, we are offering them Heaven on Earth and these little cockroaches can't see that and allows the sense of self-righteous arrogance to continue. It's just their way of creating their particular blend of drama. That's why I think none of these ideas will ever really amount to much, the drama would be over and that is not what the TMO is looking for. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why in the world would a developer work with the TMO in constructing a peace palace? Hey you, build us a huge building, you finance everything and let us name the building and have several floors in the building for a really cheap rate. I can see developers just lining up to do this! This is such stupid thinking, as usual, from the TMO. Thought up by people with absolutely no experience with little r reality. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. When I looked through the photos that have been posted of the celebration at which the Rajas were installed, I was struck by the fact that in every single photo of him interacting with anybody--and there were dozens--he had a dazzlingly radiant smile. I found this impressive because he was going through umpty identical installation ceremonies over several days, and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. Maybe he is a hologram Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
What is the prevailing thought around FF and beyond regarding King Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong? A few dear friends in FF are really taking it very seriously because it comes from Maharishi. And I'm sure the Purushniks and MDers do. Is it just the small number of True Believer's that are taking this seriously? Have you (or anyone) heard the local nonmeditating Fairfielder's reactions to King Rama Lama? KH p.s. Without looking it up can anyone tell me the name of the group that did Rama Lama Ding Dong (in 1961). Hint: there is a collector's item car by the same name Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY's response to abortion (as heard with my own ears)
The whole abortion debate is a sticky wicket (as a British friend of mine has been prone to spout). I avoid it as much as possible. One piece of input I will add, and I give this a big For What It Is Worth, is what I heard Maharishi say on the topic, with my very own big and differently sized ears, in June of 1971, at the end of my teacher training course. A very pregnant lady got up to the microphone and asked Maharishi when the soul enters the developing child within the womb. Maharish asked the woman at the microphone, as well as the rest of the women on the course who had children, when they felt the first movement. I believe one of the women said at around 3 months. Maharish replied, this is it meaning when the first movement was felt was when the soul had arrived. KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to me by a lurker: Rick, When I was on staff at Livingston Manor in 1973 a meditator got pregnant. Her boyfriend, who was an initiator close to Maharishi, asked Maharishi about abortion. Maharishi at that time said that the soul doesn't enter the body until 3 months after conception. She went ahead with the abortion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vacation
Now hang on a second, I thought you were on vacation already, is this a vacation from your vacation? kh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Peeps, It's been real fun but tomorrow I'm going on vacation for two weeks so try to get through the day without me. Love - Llundrub Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while driving in my car in the state of Connecticut, came out of nowhere (not the state of CT, my state of mind). All of a sudden I became aware of the infinite, eternal, unbounded nature of creation as it flowed through me, I became part of the flow, it was very very clear, all the words I had ever heard unbounded, infinite, eternal, meant something to me for about five minutes. While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Is what you are calling the experience of God different from this? Who ascribes definition to the conept of God as it is experienced? Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter I wrote to the editor of TIME in response to their current cover story on the Evolution/Creationism/Intelligent Design debate: I have yet to hear in the evolution/creationism debate the consideration that for some, God is not a concept in which to believe or disbelieve, but a direct experience more real than any other. Saints and mystics in every religious tradition and some independent of any tradition have been capable of directly cognizing subtler realities which others could only accept or reject through faith or logic. To them, the intelligent governance of the universe is self evident. Ancient books are superfluous. They perceive that infinite intelligence permeates every grain of creation. From this perspective, the existence of God is perfectly compatible with gradual, incremental change over millions of years. But natural selection is not random. It is a mechanism through which infinite intelligence achives fuller, more complex expressions of itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Yeah, what you said. When you look in the mirror do you say, Hey, lookin good Ken! Or do you just brush your hair? HAHAHA, not at age 57, maybe 10 years ago. Now I don't put my glasses on while looking in the mirror unless I absolutely need to see myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: So Is Llundrub bipolar?
Has anyone ever suggested you might have bipolar mania? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub is Quite Intelligent
Kirk Let me tell you what I meant when I asked the question (about bipolar mania), said partly tongue-in-cheek. I have a family member that has been clinically diagnosed with bipolar mania and is being treated for it. He had an endless stream of ideas and was profuse in his ability to espouse his opinions and to espouse them quite energetically and was fairly negative in his presentation. Also he was capable of bouncing from topic to topic, as you are, with a lot to say about each topic, and in a very passionate way. He is also very intelligent, which you are. He went over the edge, though, and left to his own devices would probably be dead now or in jail where he would most likely end up dead. His treatment, which I am not advocating in any way for you, has calmed the endless mania down to zero, and also reduced his creativity and passion to zero: what a tradeoff. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub is Quite Intelligent
I will have to plan a trip to New Orleans, then. I have over 60,000 miles on Continental Airlines and keep wondering where to go with my two round-trip tickets. What is the best time of the year, when the weather is NOT too hot down there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if I actually knew you guys it might be different. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
Kirk et. al. Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your area who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a reasonable rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on courses and who may be willing. Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website and any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly to them and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on the side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country (and Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need of its benefits at a sensible price. Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen, and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's head honcho. Uns. -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and Her sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without making her a whore of your own will? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
Kirk You are missing the point!! Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO. He teaches the TM technique. He has been threatened up the wazoo by the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default, not be allowed to belong to the TMO. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies at this point. - Original Message - From: Kenny H To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi) Kirk et. al. Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your area who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a reasonable rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on courses and who may be willing. Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website and any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly to them and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on the side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country (and Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need of its benefits at a sensible price. Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen, and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's head honcho. Uns. -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and Her sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without making her a whore of your own will? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is Knishna Jewish?
Is that just a typo (below) or is this knowledge from the Oy Veda? kh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it *was* Knishna before me with His flute, no question...Maybe I should write the MM Mars company and see if they want to try this as an ad campaign, eat peanut mm's and SEE Krishna! Come to think of it, it was after this, in September 1995, that they introduced *blue* mm's...;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
Yes he does, as taught. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk You are missing the point!! Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO. He teaches the TM technique. He has been threatened up the wazoo by the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default, not be allowed to belong to the TMO. Ken ...and does this fellow teach TM with the puja, the 7 steps and all that he was taught to do originally with teacher-training? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies at this point. - Original Message - From: Kenny H To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi) Kirk et. al. Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your area who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a reasonable rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on courses and who may be willing. Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website and any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly to them and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on the side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country (and Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need of its benefits at a sensible price. Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen, and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's head honcho. Uns. -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and Her sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without making her a whore of your own will? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi --- - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I believe it was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause stress. This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or take a year or two). Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step programs. They get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him up, and he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is word of mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas where people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from time to time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk You are missing the point!! Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO. He teaches the TM technique. He has been threatened up the wazoo by the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default, not be allowed to belong to the TMO. Ken Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? And how he dealt with it? Have a friend that is a lawyer? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] I Changed The Title
so there --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 8:57 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Why not just chalk up TM as another technique that either works for you, or doesn't? Well we weren't really talking about the technique--but as I said earlier, 'it doesn't mean that TM is bad'. It's also worth considering the positive impact of large people taking up meditation from the TMO *even if they change to another method*. From that perspective it's still a catalyst for world evolution. On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that and it ended up (he didn't tell me, someone else did) it was mentally singing some tune that only the initiators know and I marveled at how you could be charged for doing something you could have done anyway although who would have thought of doing that?! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/14/05 9:21 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the street is that it likely is 'Om'. Which added to what we got of course would then complete the TM seed mantras and return them into real vedic mantras. Ha, the irony would be large. Are people really saying this and is there any substance to the rumor? I don't think anyone dedicated enough to get this new technique would tell. And Maharishi would have a lot of explaining to do if he added Om at this late date.H Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
