RE: [FairfieldLife] Typical

[llundrub]

For instance, Nader Raam identified the Veda in the human body, but what he
didn't identify is that all the Ved, being universal exist in every point of
the body. This brings up huge potential. So fuck it. Later. Waste of time.
Spiritual retards. I talked to one TM teacher who hasn't even read the
Lakshmi Tantra. Doesn't even know what he's teaching. Der. Lame.

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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Typical

As usual, I try to inspire some better ideas or higher conversation here,
but nothing. Unless the topic is the usual ad homonym scatology nothing!
Fucking waste of time posting here to all of you. Each one is basically
materialistic, even in a spiritual sense. Well fuck you all I'm sick of you.
I'm taking my inspiration to someplace where I can benefit.  Not even
kidding. Later. 



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Fw: [FairfieldLife] Brilliant!

[llundrub]

Actually, I lied, he didn't say to show it to you. It was for me. But he sent 
it to me the second you were calling me a piece of shit, so I thought I would 
share.

 
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llundrub
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brilliant!

 

BTW, he sent me a photo and said to show it to you. It's from the Bhadrakali 
Yajna he finished a few mintues ago. I ask that you all not post this 
elsewhere. Copywrite Kirk Bernhardt 2007 All Rights Reserved.

 



 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] So I had this brilliant idea!

 

Pussys cannot judge lions.

 

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llundrub wrote:

> So I started searching out all the available tantrics through the web for

> various things that they can do and I have settled on having them all do

> yajnas to give me healing hands since I am a chef and all, so thanks to

> Lalita and Bhadrakali I will have hands of utter fearlessness and total

> control, through which I will channel Buddha Amitabha for healing. Saw it

> working yesterday with pure red and yellow light. Fascinating what we can

do

> with auspicious circumstance and knowledge.

First off you get those techniques via practicing tantric siddhis.  But 

you would have to be a lot more stable than you appear to be on this 

list to get any good tantric to give you those techniques.

 

 

 

 

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[FairfieldLife] Brilliant!

[llundrub]

BTW, he sent me a photo and said to show it to you. It's from the Bhadrakali 
Yajna he finished a few mintues ago. I ask that you all not post this 
elsewhere. Copywrite Kirk Bernhardt 2007 All Rights Reserved.





 

 

 

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Pussys cannot judge lions.

 

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llundrub wrote:

> So I started searching out all the available tantrics through the web for

> various things that they can do and I have settled on having them all do

> yajnas to give me healing hands since I am a chef and all, so thanks to

> Lalita and Bhadrakali I will have hands of utter fearlessness and total

> control, through which I will channel Buddha Amitabha for healing. Saw it

> working yesterday with pure red and yellow light. Fascinating what we can

do

> with auspicious circumstance and knowledge.

First off you get those techniques via practicing tantric siddhis.  But 

you would have to be a lot more stable than you appear to be on this 

list to get any good tantric to give you those techniques.

 

 

 

 

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RE: [FairfieldLife] So I had this brilliant idea!

[llundrub]

At MIU I had these friends from Canada, Jeffery, John Pierre (RIP), and Nick
Mark. We used to rib each other forever. Some of the triple and quadruple
entenders were some of the best uses of human expression that I have ever
been a part of on this plane. 

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So I guess you need help in growing from a pussy to a lion first?  Then 
you can see which tantrics are the lions. :-D

llundrub wrote:
> Pussys cannot judge lions.
>
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>
> llundrub wrote:
>   
>> So I started searching out all the available tantrics through the web for
>> various things that they can do and I have settled on having them all do
>> yajnas to give me healing hands since I am a chef and all, so thanks to
>> Lalita and Bhadrakali I will have hands of utter fearlessness and total
>> control, through which I will channel Buddha Amitabha for healing. Saw it
>> working yesterday with pure red and yellow light. Fascinating what we can
>> 
> do
>   
>> with auspicious circumstance and knowledge.
>> 
> First off you get those techniques via practicing tantric siddhis.  But 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] So I had this brilliant idea!

[llundrub]

Pussys cannot judge lions.

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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] So I had this brilliant idea!

llundrub wrote:
> So I started searching out all the available tantrics through the web for
> various things that they can do and I have settled on having them all do
> yajnas to give me healing hands since I am a chef and all, so thanks to
> Lalita and Bhadrakali I will have hands of utter fearlessness and total
> control, through which I will channel Buddha Amitabha for healing. Saw it
> working yesterday with pure red and yellow light. Fascinating what we can
do
> with auspicious circumstance and knowledge.
First off you get those techniques via practicing tantric siddhis.  But 
you would have to be a lot more stable than you appear to be on this 
list to get any good tantric to give you those techniques.




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[FairfieldLife] So I had this brilliant idea!

[llundrub]

So I started searching out all the available tantrics through the web for
various things that they can do and I have settled on having them all do
yajnas to give me healing hands since I am a chef and all, so thanks to
Lalita and Bhadrakali I will have hands of utter fearlessness and total
control, through which I will channel Buddha Amitabha for healing. Saw it
working yesterday with pure red and yellow light. Fascinating what we can do
with auspicious circumstance and knowledge.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Mahakali Kavacham

[llundrub]

A feeling of being protected deep within at all points of the body by the
Absolute.

 

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No-Brainer.
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahakali Kavacham

 

 

 

Which is???



 

On 4/2/07, llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Is a pretty neat experience.






 

[FairfieldLife] Mahakali Kavacham

[llundrub]

Is a pretty neat experience. 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Discussion with Judy about Guru Dev and

[llundrub]

The problem with being kicked off of FFLife is that it sort of qualifies one
to be here, vexing or not. 

Tom T:
The behavior that Judy continues to exhibit falls under the title of
harassment. See definition below and see why most people on this chat
have had enough of her and her harassment. Pick your favorite word to
describe her behavior.

ha.rass   (h?-ra-s', ha-r'?s)  Pronunciation Key 
tr.v.   ha.rassed, ha.rass.ing, ha.rass.es

   1. To irritate or torment persistently.
   2. To wear out; exhaust.
   3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.

1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother
continually; pester; persecute.
2. to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or
hostilities; harry; raid.

harassment

1. a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented; "so great
was his harassment that he wanted to destroy his tormentors" 
2.  the act of tormenting by continued persistent attacks and criticism

Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus - Cite This Source
Main Entry: harassment
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: badgering
Synonyms:   aggravation, annoyance, bedevilment, bother, bothering,
disturbance, exasperation, hassle, irking, irritation, molestation,
nuisance, persecution, perturbation, pestering, provocation,
provoking, torment, trouble, vexation, vexing




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?

[llundrub]

I thought it really could be a sign of the times. I half admired the idea of
taking something as bling and useless as ringtones and making millions from
it. That's more the right idea actually, and it would get the TMO to an
entirely new generation. Obviously TMO is for old hippies, but tomorrow
maybe Punditji will have Vedic ringtones or something. It bears
consideration. Or a conglomerate of today's Hindus or Buddhists could have
various spiritual tones under an umbrella company for such stuff. It bears
consideration. 

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Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:02 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub"  wrote:
> >
> > Oh God! This is what will happen when Maharishi dies. 
> 
> Indeed, it might. I fully admit to being taken in
> for a few minutes, 
> 
> Deep bow. :-)
> 


Thanks Turq. My friend who forwarded it to me says he usually prefers
a belly laugh, or at least a knee-slap, to a deep bow, but  but he'll
take what he can get.

An indeed--he took all he could of my playing insipid (as distinct
from the good ones!) Mother Divine songs at him at full volume until
he finally came clean about the April Fool's joke. 

At first he tried to convince me he was operating from a secret draft
of the MTC soon-to-be-released catalogue that had other products too,
even showing me a beat-up and obviously (now that I think about it)
mock up of the document. Sheesh, it read like the J freakin' Pederman
catalogue. There were lots of other things there, but he decided to
use the phone bit.

For example, llundrub wouldn't have to worry about walking sideways to
face east with the "BirkenStha" shoe, with a layer of Maharishi Vedic
NanoTubesR built into the soles. The shoes not only conform to the
shape of your foot but also automatically align to true east, shifting
virtually instantaneously with every movement so no matter which way
you are facing you are always on a platform facing east. Maharishi
always said that TM makes us "more feet on the ground" and with the
BirkenStha our feet can be on the ground and be properly established
in correct orientation. No more walking sideways and getting a crick
in the neck from turning your head to talk to the person beside you.

That would be really great as my chiropractor bills have been
astronomical for the past couple of years. I was ready to put my
credit card down right away for that one and was extremely
disappointed when he finally broke and confessed it was all a joke.

By that point, I knew when I saw the "Stha-port-pottieR" for use on
vastu development construction sites that the whole thing was just a
sham. Damn! And the picture looked so cute with the kalash on top of
the gold-painted outhouse---oops excuse me, Pees Palace.

And finally---my friend insists that trin3ty is wrong, and he did not
use a template from some old story about a Muslim phone. It must be a
meme circulating in the collective consciousness. The originator of
the other story could have even gotten it from him, since time,
causality, and direction don't really exist and everyone knows that
everything worthwhile originates in the Vedas. (Poor guy, he's
actually still a bit in denial and has a hard time admitting it was a
joke, insisting that "these things *could* be. Sigh.)

And oh yeah-thanks to card for the Finnish version of the April Fools
prank line! Most evocative. 

Have a great Sunday, everyone.
hermandan




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RE: [FairfieldLife] First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?

[llundrub]

Oh God! This is what will happen when Maharishi dies. It will all go to
crap. Don't do anything that's not due east. Do you have to walk sideways to
always catch the sun? What about when the greenhouse effect makes every
longitude as hot as the south is today? Isn't it all relative? Unfortunately
Feng Shui tells us that we all have our own major element and directions.
It's not the same for everybody at all, and certain years have certain major
directions as well. So the true due east is not due east by year, person's
element, or anything really. For instance, I get rich through the south, and
as a Sri Vidya wanna be I have all paramnayas as my very own. If one wants
to worship Shiva Daksh or Daksh Kali then they face due south.  Also one gos
by ones nakshatra in which case one faces one 15 degree quadrant of their
moon's nakshatra, to get shade under the corresponding tree  for total
health. 

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On Behalf Of hermandan0
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:07 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] First Vedic Vibration on Line--now this?

Forwarded by a friend:




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Maharishi Technology Corp. and Motorola Strike Joint Venture worth
$1.08 Billion US
by Global Good News staff writer

Global Good NewsTranslate This Article
Sunday

His Excellency Dr. Benjamin Feldman, esteemed Minister of Finance of
the Global country of World Peace announced today that Maharishi
Technology Corporation (MTC) of Germany and Motorola have concluded an
arrangement to manufacture and market the Maharishi Motorola Vedic
Vibration TelephoneR, a sophisticated telephone that will, amongst
other things, utilize Maharishi Vedic Vibration Ring TonesR to combat
the negative effects on brain physiology that may result from the use
of cell phones.

In addition to the ring tones-which will also be available for
purchase separately-the phone will utilize GPS positioning and compass
technology to calculate true east on the basis of the user's latitude
and longitude. The ring tones will increase and diminish in intensity
even after the call is answered, or when the phone is first activated
to make a call until the user is facing true east.

Dr. John Hagelin, Minister of Science and Technology of the Global
Country of World Peace explains, "We have been blessed to have the
perfect knowledge of Ved in the Human Physiology through the great
discovery of His Majesty Raja Nader Ram, inspired by his Holiness
Maharishi Yogi, the world's foremost scientist of Consciousness. Now
that knowledge is being put to practical use the prevent possible
damage to the delicate physiology of the brain, before it
happens-Heyam dukham anagatam, avert the danger before it arises. But
it doesn't stop there. We have been so blessed with the perfect
knowledge of proper orientation through Maharishi Sthapatya Ved that
now, if you do have to use a cell phone, you can be sure to be facing
east to achieve maximum brainwave coherence while speaking so that
every thought, utterance and decision will be in total accord with
Natural Law. Maharishi has stressed the importance of proper
orientation for a long time, even telling people not to leave their
home to go to a place that is not properly oriented because their
thinking won't be clear. But now, with the Maharishi Motorola Vedic
Vibration Telephone it is possible to have proper orientation and
clear thinking even while talking on a cell phone."

The MMVVTR unit will cost $1008 US (plus monthly charges) with a three
year plan that includes a selection of wallpapers with beautiful
photos of Maharishi, Guru Dev, and the Devas, and seasonally and
personally adjusted Vedic Vibration Ring Tones so participants can
achieve the speediest evolution, rising rapidly to Unity
Consciousness. For those who do not have the MMVVT unit, Maharishi
Vedic Vibration Ring TonesR that can be used with any phone will be
available for $108 each.

Dr. Feldman concluded, "With over six million practitioners around the
world, it will be very easy to have one million subscribers purchase
the phones and subscribe to the plan. This will bring everyone to the
very fastest pace of evolution and will generate 1.08 billion US in
revenue. One billion of that will be used by the Global Country of
World Peace to support the pandits who are the keepers of the great
wisdom of the Vedic Tradition, and who, through their daily
performance of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programme
create peace, harmony and coherence for the whole world. The other .08
billion will go to Motorola in recognition of their contribution to
the development of this technology, and with those funds, they will
build a manufacturing plant for the Maharishi Vedic Vibration
Telephones in the Brahmastan of America, the World Capital of the
Global Country of World Peace in Kansas. All of our meditating family
should sign up immediately to pre-p

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A House Divided will not Long Stand

[llundrub]

Because many of us got started late in our personal lives and careers so we
could help M with the world plan. Now he demands we leave our jobs,
forsaking pension programs, we have worked hard for and are nearly within
reach of, and all that it entails, so we can continue his world plan. Talk
about a leap of faith! Quite frankly, I found it a lot easier and safer to
believe Christ is getting ready to rapture his Church up any day than
Maharishi is going to fulfill any obligations he has made in the past.

 

 

I hear ya. I'm 115,000 in debt due mostly to MIU loans and deferrals, so
I'm directly in debt to God. Plus I spend more money than I make every month
on charity. I might as well be in the Movement. 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The sin of slaughter-excerpt, Charles Leadbeater

[llundrub]

Better yet read Gille de Rais.

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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:11 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The sin of slaughter-excerpt, Charles
Leadbeater

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The first of these  and how the money made in this abominable 
business is stained with blood, every coin of it. 

snip
> 
http://www.anandgholap.net/Vegetarianism_And_Occultism-CWL.htm

And for an opposing view, from a person of similiar distinction, see 
Harold Waldwin Percival and Thinking and Destiny.

lurk
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Question for the astrologers / Jyotishi here

[llundrub]

Yo Mamma.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:56 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for the astrologers / Jyotishi here

What tantric world is that?  (IOW, which tradition?  Who did you learn 
tantra from?).

llundrub wrote:
> Nah, I am at Shakti Sadhnaana and Issplist and some tantric sites and it's
> the same always, but I guess they aren't TB's. We don't do TB in the
tantric
> world. That's some New Age term.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Fa 
> irfieldLife] Question for the astrologers / Jyotishi here
>
> I've been noticing something on the many spiritual
> forums on which I participate during the last few
> days, and it has me curious.
> ormal claims 
> that everyone on the forum who doesn't believe the 
> same hard-line, fundamentalist interpretation of 
> their belief system that they hold are not only 
> "wrong," but are "attacking" those who hold the 
> "right" belief by holding a "wrong" one. On several 
> other forums there have been claims of "Everyone 
> is against me and trying to disseminate false 
> information about me and it's all because of my
> spiritual beliefs." 
>
>
>
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Question for the astrologers / Jyotishi here

[llundrub]

Nah, I am at Shakti Sadhnaana and Issplist and some tantric sites and it's
the same always, but I guess they aren't TB's. We don't do TB in the tantric
world. That's some New Age term.

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On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:21 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Fa 
irfieldLife] Question for the astrologers / Jyotishi here

I've been noticing something on the many spiritual
forums on which I participate during the last few
days, and it has me curious.
ormal claims 
that everyone on the forum who doesn't believe the 
same hard-line, fundamentalist interpretation of 
their belief system that they hold are not only 
"wrong," but are "attacking" those who hold the 
"right" belief by holding a "wrong" one. On several 
other forums there have been claims of "Everyone 
is against me and trying to disseminate false 
information about me and it's all because of my
spiritual beliefs." 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Court Case between TMO and the Norwegian Government

[llundrub]

The scorpion is the root of union.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:12 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Court Case between TMO and the Norwegian
Government

You mean, Transcendental Meditation is not unique, to TM?  Oh no, 
there goes our true-believer TM paradigm.  But, damn that scorpion 
Norwegian court.  Besides, they are just a bunch of Norwegians, what 
do they really know about spiritual things?  Natural law is our truth.

-Governor for the A of E Hamilton in FF



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>
> From: Ingegerd Espås [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 2:46 AM
> To: Rick Archer
> Subject: Re: Court Case between TMO and the Norwegian Government
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Rick.
> 
> Yeasterday I received the result from the Court Case between the 
TMO and the
> State in Norway regarding that the TMO did want the Monopoly of the 
words
> Transcendental Meditation and TM.
> 
>  
> 
> I was a wittness on behalf of the State in Norway and I am happy to 
tell you
> that the TMO lost regarding the Monopoly of the words Transcendental
> meditation and won the Trademark of the words TM.
> 
>  
> 
> The Court says that Transcendental Meditation is a description of a 
state of
> consciousness and knowbody can own a description. They also lost 
because the
> TMO has not been consistent in using the words Transcendental 
meditation.
> They have used TM-Technique - TM-program - Deep meditation. 
Maharishis
> Techniques in books and advertisements. The Court says also that it 
is a
> need to be free regarding to compete activities as i (Ingegerd) do -
 in the
> papers it is referred to my domene www.transcendentalmeditation.no 
and that
> I teach in free time - because I have an other full time job too. 
The TMO
> would not tell how many initiations they had done last year  - I 
was open
> about how many I have teached. The TMO made a point of the 
Agreement forms
> that the TM-Teachers has signed - so did I. The Court did not 
consider that.
> The Court made a point that MMY is a very old man - and after he 
die, who
> will be the owner of the TMO and all his techniques.
> 
>  
> 
> The TMO tried to stop me from being a wittness - they wrote a 
letter to the
> Court in forhand of the Court Case and almost demanded the Court 
not to
> allow me to be a wittness. Not a smart thing to do - I think.
> 
>  
> 
> In the Court Case - it was really a difference between Ole Markman 
(The
> lawyer of the TMO - Danish TM-Teacher - with no Carisma - pale and 
grey -
> talking the language of the TMO - telling that I (Ingegerd) do not 
keep the
> knowledge pure - not easy to understand for common people) and the 
Lawyer of
> the Norwegian Government, a very smart man.
> 
>  
> 
> Some other Norwegian teachers of Transcendental meditation is happy 
too -
> they are very successfull in their teaching.
> 
>  
> 
> You are free to use this as you like - send it to FFL if you want.
> 
>  
> 
> Ingegerd Espås
>




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans

[llundrub]

Why would I be missing that. It didn't go anywhere. I painted over the
Trishakti stupidly, thinking I would paint the entire Kalachakra mandala
someday, throughout the entire house. I had meant for that from the start.
At any rate I'm happy Trishakti, Guru Datta, and Ganesha were behind it all.


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On Behalf Of larry.potter
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:30 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Sure as shit, but my house will still stand yet again.
> 

I wasn't aware that you actually own it. anyway I do remember the 
lovely colorful rooms and pictures of deities on the walls
or was it the ceiling.. via the photos you posted here the other day.
You must be missing that.. I hope New Orleans will recover to
it's full potential.

gl

> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rick Archer
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:02 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans
> 
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of llundrub
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:39 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans
> 
>  
> 
> Honestly People, if any of you had any sense you would pool your 
money and
> buy a couple houses next door to each other in New Orleans and make
> meditation centers here. This city is at the start of a huge boom 
where for
> real it's all possibilities. 
> 
> If they don't fix the levies, you're due for another dunking.
>




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: today on MOU

[llundrub]

Good surmise finally, whatever it meant.

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On Behalf Of BillyG.
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:53 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: today on MOU

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> quite an interesting speech from Maharishi today about komalangam of
> Raam, the number system, nouns and gyan shakti vs kriya shakti , the 
> verb , the word system, the upangas, the six systems, forward and
> backward, the zero as mandal , circle motion-self referral,check it out

Interesting lecture, however without foundation, most people won't
understand it. Having a little foundation I would surmise he was
talking about the 'macrocosmic' self referral nature of Brahm...or
Brahma the personal God, the purusha.

When we as jivas experience this self referral state we become the 1-0
purusha. That is, you 'come back' and experience the Self and hence
you are not considered 0 but 1-0, sort of a dichotomy of the manifest
and unmanifest




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans

[llundrub]

I haven't seen much crime but I live Uptown. It's certainly no more
dangerous than any other big city and crime is more spread out. The way this
city always was and will be is that from block to block neighborhoods form,
either safe or sorry. You should be reading the papers here as development
plans for the city are coming out. It's just so much potential! Money will
be pouring into everything since the city is still threadbare. And I'm
starting to have jinseks for the whole city. I am setting the peg and
calling it. If there is a rapture like situation on Earth for humans then it
will start right here where I am. Because the meek, and all that, and we are
certainly meek here. For this reason I have chosen to pour my money into
sponsoring jinseks for the residents of this city. If people live here they
simply deserve a better quality of life since we here live at God and
nature's whim. Right now. But in the future people will figure out ways of
working with nature, like building huge turbines which turn hurricanes into
an energy reserve. If George Bush and his enemies don't kill us all first.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Robert Gimbel
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:55 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Honestly People, if any of you had any sense you would pool your 
money and
> buy a couple houses next door to each other in New Orleans and make
> meditation centers here. This city is at the start of a huge boom 
where for
> real it's all possibilities.
>
That sounds great, but the way thing sound on the media, well they make 
it sound like it's like a war zone there- what's true anyway?? Is it 
safe to walk the streets there, or what?
r.g.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] I'm the spirit of Giving

[llundrub]

I meant "in the spirit of giving" 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:47 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] I'm the spirit of Giving

 

I am sponsoring a monthly Mahamritunjaya in which I will include Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi from now on- every month - for his continued health and
longevity. May Maharishi be around yet a long time. Thank you Maharishi for
all you have done.  

 

[FairfieldLife] I'm the spirit of Giving

[llundrub]

I am sponsoring a monthly Mahamritunjaya in which I will include Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi from now on- every month - for his continued health and
longevity. May Maharishi be around yet a long time. Thank you Maharishi for
all you have done.  

RE: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans

[llundrub]

Sure as shit, but my house will still stand yet again.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:02 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Orleans

 

Honestly People, if any of you had any sense you would pool your money and
buy a couple houses next door to each other in New Orleans and make
meditation centers here. This city is at the start of a huge boom where for
real it's all possibilities. 

If they don't fix the levies, you're due for another dunking. 

 

[FairfieldLife] New Orleans

[llundrub]

Honestly People, if any of you had any sense you would pool your money and
buy a couple houses next door to each other in New Orleans and make
meditation centers here. This city is at the start of a huge boom where for
real it's all possibilities.  

RE: Tiring contributions: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Questions to, and answers from Benjaim Creme)

[llundrub]

You know, that’s an interesting point. If I was the total leader of a satanic 
front or an anti religious front I would try to bore acolytes out of their 
skulls with religion while taking all their money, so as to make them numb them 
until they will  believe anything and thence be true cash cows, and then 
actually dumb and really irreligious, both at the same time. And then I would 
speak the glory of my DNA and propagate it upon them. Who knows from whence 
this Maitreya could come ;)

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Hagen J. Holtz
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:19 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tiring contributions: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Questions to, and 
answers from Benjaim Creme)

 

 

 


These kind of elaborations remind me to the predicitions of reincarnation of 
Jesus in order to save the world. They are hardly of any practical use and do 
contain too many aspects, which cannot be proven and do only create a spirit of 
dependence and powerlessness regarding one's own way of unfoldment. So I 
basically agree to the commentator at the end of this endless monolog.

 

It seems as if there are also people in this list in order to fill it with all 
kinds of misleading and tedious indoctrinations. This makes it difficult to 
distinguish upright essential and worth-while discussion points against prosy 
watering downs.

 

Work of undercover agents in order to thin out the interest of readers ? - One 
of the charming ways to jam spiritual enhancement. We have to be alert !

 

Hagen 


> Questions & Answers
> 
> Q. Is there any specific date for Maitreya's appearance?
> A. Most people imagine that world events (and the coming of a 
World 
> Teacher is certainly a world event) take place according to 
precise 
> dates. They imagine that all Hierarchical decisions are designed 
for 
> offensive to say that 
some 
> of the miracles are very amusing, like gems popping out from under 
> someone's big toe.
> A. I quite agree. When people come to know the Masters more 
closely 
> they will recognize that They are filled with the joy of life and 
> have an extraordinary and quick sense of humour. The inventiveness 
of 
> their imagination is one of the outstanding qualities of their 
> activity.  and so on and on

>
Lsoma; with all due respect; do you really want us to belive that 
you are communicating with archangels ? 
What if you are being manipulated by your own grandiose ego ?

> For the record. Human beings don't need to wait for anyone form up above to 
> save them or teach us how to love one another. You tell me I'm the one who is 
> egotistical. Maybe if you stop sucking on the nipple of Benjamin Creame you 
> could find out who you really are stop attacking those who disagree with your 
> chosen masters of pure love. You love to use the FFL forum to promote your 
> masters and then lead people to Benjamin Creams website to recruit them. FFL 
> should be a forum for discussion on relevant topics of spirituality. Try to 
> think outside of the Maitreya box that he is trying to build around you. If 
> you continue to judge me you might want to ask Benjamin Creame about me. Tell 
> him I am a volunteer from the fourth level

of the sixth dimension. Maybe he can open your mind up a bit. If not, I don't 
care about other peoples judgments regarding my spiritual journey. To be frank, 
I'm so tired of so many people following so many teachers and claiming to have 
the Avatar of the century. My message is clear as a teacher: Stop looking for 
someone else to do it for you. You have and always will have the power to 
change any situation that is manifesting in the world or in your personal life. 
Anyone or any organization claiming to have the power to change you without 
having any faith that you can stand on your own feet is taking your 
self-empowerment away from you. There is too much attention these days on who's 
Guru is going to save them and the world.

I think I've make my point. And this information is from me directly not an 
angel or guide or whatever. And, I never said that I communicate with seven 
dimensional masters or archangels as you call them. Some of the information I 
get is from other individuals who do soul transfrerence readings. They are 
recommended to me highly by close friends. Try to respond to some ot the 
information that I post instead of the need to point the finger at me so 
quickly that your mind remains closed to anyone elses story. Lsoma.

 

.

  

 



 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raam Navami Celebrations Photos

[llundrub]

I was staring at the Maharishi photo and all of a sudden I saw Guru Dev
superimposed. It was a neat second. 

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On Behalf Of BillyG.
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:19 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raam Navami Celebrations Photos

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Raam Navami Celebrations photos at
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/f411?c=

Thanks Rick, fascinating pictures. MMY looked a little sad.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Questions to, and answers from Benjaim Creme

[llundrub]

Tell him I am a volunteer from the fourth level

of the sixth dimension. 

 

 

 

---We all have our weird shit. I was Aliester Crowley in my last life.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hog Confinements by Vedic City

[llundrub]

That's a good point, except that hog farmers are probably a pretty staid
bunch and unlikely to sell, not to mention farms themselves are very
expensive.



The TMO should just buy up the land around the MD and Pundit sites in 
VC -- land is only about a thousand an acre in Iowa, so it shouldn't 
cost more than several million -- even if they had to pay a premium 
to encourage hog lotters to build elsewhere -- to buy a couple miles 
of buffer around the properties (lots probably stink for what, 5 
miles (?), but a couple miles would certainly mitigate a lot of 
excrement-flavored air), and with all the hotels sold recently by the 
TMO, the money is available. The hog industry is just too powerful in 
Iowa, and the only people who really care about the issue are the 
unfortunate folks who live out in the twigs where the lots are built.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Hitler-looking Buddha...

[llundrub]

Hitler did know how to burn off some bad karma. And now we have him as the
litmus of megalomaniacal egotism, so we should thank Hitler for burning that
bridge of fascism for the whole world, at least in terms of acceptance of
its philosophy. On the other hand maybe we should thank him for paving hell
for those who also wish to follow him. Sure, hell may not be eternal as the
Xtians say, but it can very very hard to get out from. Because it's not so
much the first action which put you there which keeps you there but rather
the repetition which continues confirming your vow of negativity over and
over. That's the tough part. Or when one has made the vow to remain evil.
Yes, there are anti-buddhas. Very many of them and so many so that they have
named themselves 'legion.'  Well haha for them they hardly even have names,
the Beelzebubs are few, but many will be the full names of the saints. Very
very important for a spiritual person to make a vow to be with the
Bodhisattvas at this time for they have powerful protectors.  Such as Satan
himself. Are you with me Satan - 'Why yes Lhuny, whatever you say!" See.
Leave Buddha out of these stupid comparisons you fucking asshole. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of claudiouk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:18 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hitler-looking Buddha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dl9h-oq0Iw&mode=related&search=
perhaps the prophecy was that Gautama could become either a Buddha or.. 
a Hitler?



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub, cool it

[llundrub]

I don't want to start a war or anything, but let's look at this five post
limit thing contractually. No additional consideration was given for the new
rule, so essentially no new contract was made.  Since the rule was placed
after the present persons were already in place, they could not be said to
have joined the group with the rule, so thus no rule has ever been made.
Finally, I like this group, but it's just so many fucking electrons, and I'm
not attached to it. So frankly I don't give a flying fuck whether you all
kick me off or not.  I like you too Rick, and though this is your group, I
don't consider it you, so if you kick me off, I won't be angry at you. I
understand why the rule was made, but since it wasn't really intended for me
personally, I therefore again, don't feel the need to follow it. Lastly, I
think it's a stupid rule. Because five posts is just too few. Any
interesting conversation will have more than five posts.  Just because those
three main dipshits came from AMT and screwed everything up is no reason to
invent new laws. Lastly. I don't follow the law. In general, or in specific.
I do what is my nature. And if my nature doesn't fit in then cut me loose.
Further irony is all the bouncing posts and triple and quadruple reposts
from Yahoo itself as if to underscore the fact that limiting numbers of
posts is a bogus idea.  If I was mod I would play it as it is, as a fascist
dictatorship and I would kick whomever I felt off as soon as they made me
mad. I don't suffer fools, not gladly or otherwise. But I will give it a
break. Let me just add that I work 12 shifts a week and on my one day off if
I feel like doing something I'm going to goddamn well fucking do it. I don't
have time to play nice or by the rules. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:25 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub, cool it

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:42 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub, cool it

 

I didn't ask for the posting limit, and I could shit on it. If I am not
wanted you all know what to do with me. 

The posting limit is a mixed blessing and I wish we didn't need it, but we
do, and it has helped a lot. Of course you're wanted, but you are the only
one egregiously violating the posting limit. I was hoping you had just
gotten carried away or had forgotten to count the first day, but you've been
doing it every day. It's the sort of thing that everyone is going to have to
abide by if it's going to work, so as your friend, and moderator, I'm asking
you to please abide by it henceforth.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub, cool it

[llundrub]

I didn't ask for the posting limit, and I could shit on it. If I am not
wanted you all know what to do with me. 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:37 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Llundrub, cool it

I love ya, dude, but you've gotta learn to count
to five. It's not fair -- to the others here who 
are trying to abide by the limit, or to the 
moderators who have to track this stuff -- for 
you to keep going over it. 





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

[llundrub]

PS, Swami Satyananda Saraswati of Devi Mandir - www.shreemaa.org also will
do yajnas for you, donation based, with no specific divodasha asked. His
rituals are always effective in my experience. 

 

And finally, www.monlam.org does Buddhist pujas and jinseks - fire rituals -
for rather cheap, but if one has a high desire to sponsor large rites then
www.zangdokpalri.com  is the place to do it. You will have to negotiate with
Moke - the secretary there for what you wish, but there's no power on Earth
equal to the power of the monks and nuns of a Dzogchen monastery, and from
experience the effects of such rituals are very different than those of the
Vedas. Herukas have power with no limits.  For benevolence. A Drakpo jinsek
is a thing to experience first hand as demons go screeching away in the
night. 

 

For those who have passed - monlam is the practice for them - that is - the
49 day ritual to the 100 peaceful and wrathful deities of the Bardo. It can
also be done while one is still alive for safe passage on the other side. 

 

Okay, ciao..

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic
rituals

 

Ben  is totally awesome. I am considering being included in his trip to
Varanasi for September when he will have 108 pundits doing a Shivaparvati
mahayajna. I really really recommend his services for yajnas. His main
pundit Seetharam did the Rudram for George Harrison's funeral in India. At
any rate, his group is the best. I also recommend www.kalighat.net as any
funds going to Calcutta help them.  Moreover Sanjay there is extremely
personable and helpful.  Not to mention their pujas are very inexpensive
compared to the valuable outcome of nature's support.  Finally there is
another  super cheap yajna service but I will not mention who they are here
as I don't wish to get them too much business or they might jack their
prices. If someone wants to know then PM me. But for straight forward honest
to goodness Veda power Ben is the best. Okay, props over and out. IMO I
would sponsor Ben before TMO McPundits. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of george_deforest
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

 

Ben Collins is hosting a great blog  --  
"Puja Insights: Thoughts on vedic rituals and the spiritual traditions of
India."

sample of todays blog:   Abishekam -- divine bathing, March 27th, 2007 by
BenCollins

 pujamarch-2007-010.jpg
<http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010
.jpg> 

It is an interesting part of the vedic tradition, that the murti in atemple
must be purified in various ways.  One of the most enjoyable iscalled
abishekam.  It is, in its essence, a process of giving the murtia bath to
purify it so that the deity (Lakshmi in this case, seenabove) will happily
take residence in the temple and bless the devotees.

Soin that sense, the murti is seen as a "container" for the deity andthat
container must be properly maintained.  For example, each monthwhen the Moon
is in the nakshatra (vedic constellation) called UtaraPhalguni, Lakshmi
receives a bath (abishekam).  Mantras are chanted andwater, then milk,
buttermilk, yogurt curd, scented sandalwood paste,turmeric, rose water, and
other ingredients are poured over her.

image shown: 
 
http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010.
jpg



 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

[llundrub]

Nevermind, this is the cheapest yajna site on the net -
http://www.hindupurohit.com/

 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic
rituals

 

Ben  is totally awesome. I am considering being included in his trip to
Varanasi for September when he will have 108 pundits doing a Shivaparvati
mahayajna. I really really recommend his services for yajnas. His main
pundit Seetharam did the Rudram for George Harrison's funeral in India. At
any rate, his group is the best. I also recommend www.kalighat.net as any
funds going to Calcutta help them.  Moreover Sanjay there is extremely
personable and helpful.  Not to mention their pujas are very inexpensive
compared to the valuable outcome of nature's support.  Finally there is
another  super cheap yajna service but I will not mention who they are here
as I don't wish to get them too much business or they might jack their
prices. If someone wants to know then PM me. But for straight forward honest
to goodness Veda power Ben is the best. Okay, props over and out. IMO I
would sponsor Ben before TMO McPundits. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of george_deforest
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

 

Ben Collins is hosting a great blog  --  
"Puja Insights: Thoughts on vedic rituals and the spiritual traditions of
India."

sample of todays blog:   Abishekam -- divine bathing, March 27th, 2007 by
BenCollins

 pujamarch-2007-010.jpg
<http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010
.jpg> 

It is an interesting part of the vedic tradition, that the murti in atemple
must be purified in various ways.  One of the most enjoyable iscalled
abishekam.  It is, in its essence, a process of giving the murtia bath to
purify it so that the deity (Lakshmi in this case, seenabove) will happily
take residence in the temple and bless the devotees.

Soin that sense, the murti is seen as a "container" for the deity andthat
container must be properly maintained.  For example, each monthwhen the Moon
is in the nakshatra (vedic constellation) called UtaraPhalguni, Lakshmi
receives a bath (abishekam).  Mantras are chanted andwater, then milk,
buttermilk, yogurt curd, scented sandalwood paste,turmeric, rose water, and
other ingredients are poured over her.

image shown: 
 
http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010.
jpg



 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

[llundrub]

Hey George, I replied to you but your email service refused the message. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic
rituals

 

Ben  is totally awesome. I am considering being included in his trip to
Varanasi for September when he will have 108 pundits doing a Shivaparvati
mahayajna. I really really recommend his services for yajnas. His main
pundit Seetharam did the Rudram for George Harrison's funeral in India. At
any rate, his group is the best. I also recommend www.kalighat.net as any
funds going to Calcutta help them.  Moreover Sanjay there is extremely
personable and helpful.  Not to mention their pujas are very inexpensive
compared to the valuable outcome of nature's support.  Finally there is
another  super cheap yajna service but I will not mention who they are here
as I don't wish to get them too much business or they might jack their
prices. If someone wants to know then PM me. But for straight forward honest
to goodness Veda power Ben is the best. Okay, props over and out. IMO I
would sponsor Ben before TMO McPundits. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of george_deforest
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

 

Ben Collins is hosting a great blog  --  
"Puja Insights: Thoughts on vedic rituals and the spiritual traditions of
India."

sample of todays blog:   Abishekam -- divine bathing, March 27th, 2007 by
BenCollins

 pujamarch-2007-010.jpg
<http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010
.jpg> 

It is an interesting part of the vedic tradition, that the murti in atemple
must be purified in various ways.  One of the most enjoyable iscalled
abishekam.  It is, in its essence, a process of giving the murtia bath to
purify it so that the deity (Lakshmi in this case, seenabove) will happily
take residence in the temple and bless the devotees.

Soin that sense, the murti is seen as a "container" for the deity andthat
container must be properly maintained.  For example, each monthwhen the Moon
is in the nakshatra (vedic constellation) called UtaraPhalguni, Lakshmi
receives a bath (abishekam).  Mantras are chanted andwater, then milk,
buttermilk, yogurt curd, scented sandalwood paste,turmeric, rose water, and
other ingredients are poured over her.

image shown: 
 
http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010.
jpg



 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Various 3/28: Rick, Llundrub (was Re: Judy Judy You're so Cutie!)

[llundrub]

And no, I already indicated I didn't think I was
always the wronged party.  But I rarely actually
start fights.  I have done it every now and then,
but usually all I do is respond. If the attacks
were stopped, I wouldn't have the need to respond,
and I'd be far less motivated to start fights
myself, even though I do so rarely anyway.

-Well, see you admit to actually starting fights sometimes. I have never
started a fight with someone just for the sake of fighting. 

I really think Rick should kick you off because so much of your posting is
self absorbed garbage, amounting to little more than trolling. 

As for Askolnik. I have corresponded with him previously at times and he was
quite a pleasant person during those private posts.  However, karma works
adventitiously, and so for that reason there is no karma which has come
about through chance alone, though partial karmas might manifest seemingly
with no reason, but the real reason is the adventitiousness of supportive
circumstances. 

For instance, perhaps Askolnik is such a jerk that he would have slammed
anyone he felt deserved it. However, you Judy became his focus because you
adventitiously stepped into the pile of shit. To blame his Junkyard Dog
website on insanity or unfairness is itself unfair because you were there at
the right time, doing the right thing to piss him off at the right place and
so now you have a permanent record. One which many might say is undeserved,
though which many will say is at least partially justified. And if it's
justified at all, then because this is the web, and freedom of speech is the
basic tenet of its existence, well then, one can say that hyperbole and such
is fair game. If hyperbole it was.

In my experience on the net very few persons have ever had hate-sites set up
for them, so what made you so special?  My guess is that it's your fine
edged intellect which basically has just been used maliciously for many many
years now.

Your debating this issue will not do you justice. It will take many years
for you to earn back people's respect and trust. If you should start to ever
care what people really think about you. 

Because you are not earning kudos right now by always pointing fingers.
Given your previous disposition to troll everywhere you go, you simply
cannot get the respect that such an intelligent person usually could get. 

If you did have a change of heart in any real sense it would show. But I for
the life of me can't remember you ever being sorry for any of your actions
or words, ornevermind...I doubt you heard a word I said. 
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

[llundrub]

Ben  is totally awesome. I am considering being included in his trip to
Varanasi for September when he will have 108 pundits doing a Shivaparvati
mahayajna. I really really recommend his services for yajnas. His main
pundit Seetharam did the Rudram for George Harrison's funeral in India. At
any rate, his group is the best. I also recommend www.kalighat.net as any
funds going to Calcutta help them.  Moreover Sanjay there is extremely
personable and helpful.  Not to mention their pujas are very inexpensive
compared to the valuable outcome of nature's support.  Finally there is
another  super cheap yajna service but I will not mention who they are here
as I don't wish to get them too much business or they might jack their
prices. If someone wants to know then PM me. But for straight forward honest
to goodness Veda power Ben is the best. Okay, props over and out. IMO I
would sponsor Ben before TMO McPundits. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of george_deforest
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ben Collins hosting a great blog on vedic rituals

 

Ben Collins is hosting a great blog  --  
"Puja Insights: Thoughts on vedic rituals and the spiritual traditions of
India."

sample of todays blog:   Abishekam -- divine bathing, March 27th, 2007 by
BenCollins

 pujamarch-2007-010.jpg
 

It is an interesting part of the vedic tradition, that the murti in atemple
must be purified in various ways.  One of the most enjoyable iscalled
abishekam.  It is, in its essence, a process of giving the murtia bath to
purify it so that the deity (Lakshmi in this case, seenabove) will happily
take residence in the temple and bless the devotees.

Soin that sense, the murti is seen as a "container" for the deity andthat
container must be properly maintained.  For example, each monthwhen the Moon
is in the nakshatra (vedic constellation) called UtaraPhalguni, Lakshmi
receives a bath (abishekam).  Mantras are chanted andwater, then milk,
buttermilk, yogurt curd, scented sandalwood paste,turmeric, rose water, and
other ingredients are poured over her.

image shown: 
 
http://www.puja.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/pujamarch-2007-010.
jpg


 

[FairfieldLife] Judy Judy You're so Cutie!

[llundrub]

Once those with a penchant for starting fights
realized it was no longer permissible to do so,
the problem would be solved.


---Odd, the criminal asking for tougher penalties. But in a TM world

Judy, do you ever feel as if you might have done or said something to
deserve this seeming retribution, or are you always the wronged party?  Just
curious. 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What could he have said or done?

[llundrub]

Yeah, A maricon Idol, and had 24 taped, love that show.  Then watched the
season finale of 'Dirt.' Really liked that too. Will watch 'The Shield' next
week. That show is so realistic acting wise that it radiates actual bad
vibes. The Devil is in the media again. I guess he must exist, or the Pope
wouldn't keep talking about him. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:14 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What could he have said or done?

llundrub wrote:
> Success for me is having my health to 
> sit by my wife and watch TV during a 
> few hours off from work, where I call 
> the shots and get respect for being 
> an artist. 
>
So, you watched TV last night.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Battle for the Mind

[llundrub]

I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass


-Great line. 
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] What could he have said or done?

[llundrub]

Nothing went wrong for Maharishi. He has been a total success. Even the
Rolling Stones lose fans with each new album. Consider their past hits, at
almost two albums a year for their whole career, and yet, now they cannot
get airplay. It's just the changing of the times and the fact of an
anachronism hanging onto previous glory. Nothing really has changed but the
audience and its appreciation. Moreover, even had the Stones kept following
previous hits with new versions it would not have gathered a return of the
old audience because the times change and people want to feel the cutting
edge. )(paragraph break ..!..)

The failure is more of MIU and Fairfield. If a failure it is. Many people
would not consider the superradiance numbers a standard or litmus for
success, but rather the daily quality of living, and I bet that in FF that
has developed for many, while diminishing for some. There is nothing
Maharishi could in fact do besides dissolve 'the band' and start over. Which
in fact he has tried to do over and over. Of course that also has its own
risks such as facing the obscurity of inconsistency. 

Maharishi and I would reckon most Hindu gurus are becoming a thing of the
past as we see how Hinduism when taken on by Westerners is a weak façade of
spirituality.  More nonsectarian gurus from India are now leading the way,
and seva has taken the place of spiritual selfishness of sitting in samadhi
for countless hours while ones children are running wild from lack of
quality attention. 

The reality is that FF and MIU and Maharishi have been a total success as
evidenced by the previous acolytes growing up and moving on. No parent will
consider themselves a success if their children reach adulthood and still
hang on to their mother's apron. The children must become responsible and
leave the nest.  That's what has happened. And the especially recalcitrant
needed a hard kick out the door. 

Finally those chicks who cannot fly buy the whole nest egg and stay near
Momma Hen. The only problem as I see it is that patent absurdity of having
the Movement leaders as spiritual arbiters. But my disbelief is not
anothers. And some will follow Bevan and Haeglen into hell. But then some
also will follow Bush into hell, or the Pope, or even the neighborhood crack
dealer. There's no accounting for sense. And when it comes down to it, a
person's litmus for success is not shared by another. 

Success to me is the fact that I escaped the Movement and found myself in my
own way and my own time. Success for me is having my health to sit by my
wife and watch TV during a few hours off from work, where I call the shots
and get respect for being an artist. Maharishi, FF, MUM, and all the
spiritual mentors on Earth have not a whit to do with my rating of success. 

Ranking numbers in the dome is merely spiritual materialism for people who
have no finer senses with which to peruse the spirit planes for themselves.
Rather they need, as always, someone else to tell them what is right and
wrong, what is success and what is failure.  The fact that one recalcitrant
person moved to FF at this late date to attend the domes still shows pulling
power. Which should not be discounted. Success is still forthcoming. Failure
is a merely personal lack of understanding.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What could he have said or done?

What could Maharishi have done or said to bring meditators back to 
the domes and group meditation,to get the numbers needed, even way 
back last summer when this latest TM course started?

Is interesting that even with even with paying people to meditate, 
bringing by the hundreds hire-ling student pandits from India, giving 
the sidhi's away in exchange for practicing in the domes, they can 
not get the numbers in the dome.

" According to the plan I (Raja W.) have mentioned before, another 
500 Pandits will be arriving over the next few months, bringing the 
total here to 1,000. This number of Pandits will assure that there 
will always be more than the Super Radiance number of 1732 Yogic 
Flyers necessary to maintain permanent invincibility for America."

Mayor and 'Raja' Wynne says it and confirms it all right there.

Strong commentary on the predicament of Maharishi at the end.  Where 
did his meditators go?  Used to be thousands would show up on a phone 
call.  Now, a few hundreds?

What could he have said or done otherwise to get this going with his 
old TM'er movement?  What went wrong for Maharishi?

-Doug in FF




>
> 
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007
> From: Raja Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Vedic Pandit Update #3
> 
> 
> 
>   [Global Country of World Peace]
> Dear Supporters of Permanent Invincibility for America,
> 
> I wanted to let you know that 133 more Vedic Pandits from India 
will be
> arriving next week and settling into th

RE: [FairfieldLife] WW III April 6th?

[llundrub]

Why get bent out of shape? Did you request this or the next war?  Did you
not protest some?  As I did?  Take comfort in knowing that those who play
are those who will pay. Or do you think life is so unfair that the
warmongers are going to slaughter us all without retribution?  I have faith.
It tells me this - to each their own.  The awesome thing about that is that
in one world some person can have great merit and wisdom, while another may
just have great power and wealth.  In each case, as one pays into it, it
gets to be more and more. Especially as it gets in relation to others who
are doing the opposite. Hence, a man with ten bucks can make millions later,
and a person with some wisdom can make much more later, until we are all
millionaires in our own currency. Only, wisdom can be taken with you when
you go, and wealth can't. So there's the rub aye?  Place your stock in
heaven instead of upon earth, and place your faith in the indestructible
instead of in man's measly and selfish whimsy. Each will get exactly what is
coming to them. This is salve for the wounds of the wise, and reason for the
powerful and rich to fear. For the wise are already naked, but those in
brocades and huge artifices will feel completely undone when they are
disrobed beforethemselves. It is not the judgement of others which will
canker them, but their own self judgement which will blister. Just as when
someone tells me I am wrong and it gets the trigger of my middle finger, but
when I feel I am wrong I can only blame myself. Life need not even present
poetic justice as the squelching of inner bliss through hate and fear is
itself its own punishment. I fear no judgement having done nothing wrong,
either in innocence or sophistry, but those who concoct huge mansions of
ratiocination will have to watch them crumble, and then watch them twitch
and burn. I work for Iranians, and I love them. They are the first kind
people I have ever worked for in my life in the food service business. I
feel so sorry for them, to have to watch this. Nevermind, I also am angered.
I could puke. I think I might. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:31 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] WW III April 6th?

"Operation Bite: April 6 sneak attack by US forces against Iran planned,
Russian military sources warn.

By Webster G. Tarpley

WASHINGTON DC, -- The long awaited US military attack on Iran is now on 
track for the first week of April, specifically for 4 am on April 6, the 
Good Friday opening of Easter weekend, writes the well-known Russian 
journalist Andrei Uglanov in the Moscow weekly "Argumenty Nedeli." 
Uglanov cites Russian military experts close to the Russian General 
Staff for his account."

More here:
http://inteldaily.com/?c=166&a=1478

Now do you see this in any of the US scumbag media outlets. No, of 
course not. Too busy with Anna Nicole. But it is in the press in the 
rest of the world. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

A nuclear war will end life was we know it on this plan. Get ready to 
bend over and kiss your ass good-bye.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

I can fix them. Don't worry about that!

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:21 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

 

No he couldn't. Both PL and Goravani Jyotish have the same security setup:
you launch the installer and then cannot quit it, then you must call a
number for you serial #, which will be issued based on the seed number you
provide and is unique each time the installer is launched.

 

On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:15 AM, llundrub wrote:





Even if you were inclined, you could leave such details and unlockers and
keys to me. 

 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

Even if you were inclined, you could leave such details and unlockers and
keys to me. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:32 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doesn't anyone have a copy of Gorovani or Parasharas they can
> slip me? Someone has to have one, and not be such a freaking
> copywrite pussy that they...aw neverfuckingmind, thanks
> for nothing. 

Even if I were inclined to send you Petra's copy of Parashara's Light,
you probably would not be able to install it due to the anti-piracy
protection they use, which requires that you call the company for an
unlock code.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Addiction, and compassion for it

[llundrub]

C'mon, not a person on Earth who reacts to Judy can be considered to blame
entirely, and Rick is also human, if not more so than most, and the fact
that he gives modship to others over himself shows he doesn't care to be in
the backseat taking a secondary driver role. He goes with what he feels to
be true. Judy deserves everything she gets. Including compassion, and just
as for all of us, we all deserve by virtue of being here, all the best that
we can have. My dissing her is in trying to increase her capacity for
happiness by pointing out her natural seeking within karma for happiness,
she as us will never find it. Nor will anyone ever agree with us, and with
such a Junkyard Dogness it's even close to impossible to feel much love, and
yet, somehow we do don't we? I bet even you Barry love Judy. Admit it! 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:45 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Addiction, and compassion for it

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip
> 
> But we can. Treat her with the same compassion you
> would show to a heroin addict. As Richard Williams
> says, "Don't feed it." Judy LIVES to defend herself
> against "attacks," real or imagined. Those attacks, 
> and the high she gets from retaliating against them,
> are her drug of choice. CUT HER OFF, for her own
> good. Don't give her any more excuses to feed an
> addiction that is killing her.

Yes compassion is what is called for.  And avoid the piling on.  For 
the record, I thought Rick's comment about the "designated driver" was 
insensitive, and had a gloating quality about it.  I enjoy Judy at 
five posts a day.  In a measured dose, I think it's a great 
contribution.

lurk
>




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Addiction, and compassion for it

[llundrub]

My compassion takes the form of tough love sometimes. If I hated her or felt
nothing I would have ignored her. I suspect that the same is true of you.
And Vaj and others. Silence is noncaring. Interaction, for better or worse
shows willingness to change, or be changed through the contact, or at very
least, to collude in a thought or two! I just worry that for poor Judy there
will be no real transformation in this life into someone who might become a
chakravartin rather than a chakrafartin.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:02 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Addiction, and compassion for it

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub"  wrote:
> >
> > What the fuck are you going on about are you still ranting 
> > from this morning. You're sick in the head!
> 
> Compassion, dude. Were you ever so strung out on 
> heroin that you had to "kick?"
> 
> That's what's going on. 
> 
> She's so desperate to post and slam someone (her
> drug of choice) that she shoots her entire wad
> for the day before 10:00 a.m. in the morning.
> And then she sits there -- quivering, shaking,
> going through withdrawal, waiting till midnight
> Fairfield time so she can "fix" again. 
> 
> It's really pretty sad, when you think about it.
> She's been harboring that anger and that resent-
> ment towards Rick for FOURTEEN HOURS now,
> waiting until midnight, when she can "strike back" 
> and be "herself" again.
> 
> If you'd ever worked with addicts, you'd recog-
> nize the syndrome...

I'm following up on this post because I suspect
that some here will think that it's Just Another
Attack Against Judy. I don't think it is. I think 
that addiction is the *correct* metaphor to use
in her case.

It's not just the fourteen hours she sat stewing
over Rick "cutting her off" that's the issue here.
It's the OVER TWELVE YEARS she's been 
cultivating and feeding this drug habit of hers.

In just under two years Judy has made 8731 posts
to Fairfield Life. That is an average of over 13
posts per DAY, and constitutes 6.4% of the 
TOTAL number of posts made to this forum in 
its just-under-seven-year history.

Over on Google (Usenet), she made over 15,600 
posts in twelve years, and that's counting only 
one of her IDs. 

Addiction.

And now she's been forced into "rehab." Is there
some *resistance* there? Well, duh.

Instead of 13 shots of heroin a day, she's been
limited to 5. Her body is going through withdrawal.
And her mind is going through terror, because if
she continues to "push the envelope" by ignoring
the posting limits here, she'll be placed under
moderation and *none* of her "gotta defend TM and
TMers and Maharishi and above all my own reputation 
at all costs" posts are going to get through.

And if that happens, there is nowhere for her to go.

She can't go back to alt.meditation.transcendental.
That would be too much of an admission of defeat
even for her. TM-Free has already caught on to her
act, so that's not really a viable forum for her,
either.

So yes, I think that addiction and withdrawal from
that addiction is *exactly* the right metaphor. And
as much as we'd like Fairfield Life to revert to
relative civility overnight, as Rick says that just
ain't gonna happen. 

Judy will continue to waste her five posts a day 
fighting imaginary battles against imaginary enemies
because she's got a HABIT, man. And she's been 
*forced* into rehab; she didn't check in of her
own volition. Even though the new policy is a Done
Deal, and almost everyone else here seems happy with
it, she'll keep bitching about it, and attacking Rick
for implementing it, and trying to pretend that what
she's bitching about is the ineffective nature of
the new policy, and that it doesn't really stop the
arguing and the trashing.

News flash -- most of the arguing and the trashing is 
coming from HER, and now everyone on Fairfield Life
can see that for themselves. That's not what she's
really upset about, although she'll keep claiming
that it is. What she's really upset about is that she's
been CUT OFF FROM HER SUPPLY. Rick shot her dealer.
The dude's lying dead in the street in a pool of 
blood. And Judy is panicking because she doesn't know
where her next fix is coming from.

So I really think some compassion is in order. She
*isn't* going to change, in my opinion. For as long
as she is allowed to remain on this forum she will
use it as heroin to feed her addiction. The nat

RE: [FairfieldLife] Various from 3/26: Rick, Rick, Lurk

[llundrub]

What the fuck are you going on about are you still ranting from this
morning. You're sick in the head!

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:35 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Various from 3/26: Rick, Rick, Lurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > At the kind of cocktail parties I prefer, most
> > of the guests value honesty--both intellectual
> > and factual.
> 
> That makes five ma'am. Your designated driver will now take
> you home.

Ah, yes, Rick Archer, fairness personified.
Gratuitously announces I'm at my posting limit so
he can insinuate that I'm inebriated, knowing I
won't be able to respond until the next day.

And how could anyone think Rick was hypocritical?
I mean, he's *never* suggested there was anything
wrong with baiting, now, has he?

Thanks for helping me out here, Rick.  I just
knew I could count on you.

(He'll claim that, oh, he was only joshing
and that I shouldn't have taken it seriously.
But I'm talking about the impulse behind it.)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would rather have no posting limit, and have everyone
> magically behave themselves, sort of like what Montana
> tried to do with the speed limit (http://www.us-
> highways.com/montana/mtspeed.htm), but the real world
> doesn't seem to work that way.

No, but if you cracked down on the gratuitous
trashers and slammers and baiters (now including
yourself), you most likely wouldn't need a
posting limit.

---

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Turq:
> Given Judy's attempts today to start and prolong
> > > arguments with Marek and Lurk, of all people,
> > 
> > Judy:
> Pretty funny, given that it was Marek and Lurk
> > who tried to start arguments with *me*, not the
> > reverse.  But typical of the up-is-downism that
> > seems to have taken over here lately.
> 
> lurk:
> Strange.  For me, what passes as generally polite conversation is 
> construed as wanting to start an argument.

Actually, neither you nor I was trying to
start, let alone prolong, an argument, but
what you wrote really wasn't "polite
conversation" either.

Here it is again:

> > This
> > lady is a powerful writer, and what a mind. But I just
> > can't help but feel she has this tremendous blind spot
> > that prevents her from seeing things in clear light. I
> > mean the moniker, "Defender of the Faith" seems
> > appropiate.
> 
> Lurk, I think you've lost the context here. What
> I wrote that you quote wasn't about "defending the
> faith."

That's it.  That's all I said.

I think Barry's upset that you also complimented
my writing skills (for which thanks), so he had
to find some reason to attack me and decided to
pretend I had tried to start an argument with
you.

> But here IS a kind of 
> mean spirited comment.  I was thinking today that "talking" with 
> Judy is kind of like having a specimen in a laboratory.  You just 
> kind of prod it here, or poke it there, and it is always 
> surprising what comes out.  Really, I like Judy.  I respect her.
> But I am thrilled to have her output cut back to five posts.  I 
> mean, I think this place is a hell of alot more fun.

Yup, this is definitely mean-spirited, the
accompanying professions of liking and respect
notwithstanding. To insult someone, and then
say something positive, doesn't really do
anything to mitigate the insult.  But it does
make one wonder how sincere the positive part is.

Again, I'm convinced that the most effective way
to get this forum under control is to crack down
on the mean-spirited comments and pokes and
insults and jibes and baiting and attacks and
trashing. I think we ought to try that first,
and see how much difference it makes. If there
are still too many posts, then we can go back to
limiting them.

What will really make FFL more fun is eliminating
the poisonous atmosphere that has been allowed to
develop--and even encouraged in some quarters.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Om My God

[llundrub]

Maybe closer to the truth than you know.  Thanks.  I already forgave myself.
Just thought I would share the moral trepidation I felt for myself with
everyone. This is like post number ten, I feel so horribly guilty for
wasting all these electronic impulses that could have been better displayed
by better netizens than myself. I feel so bad.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:14 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Om My God

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:37 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Om My God

 

Omygod!!! I can't believe what I've said and what I've done. I have been so
horrible. Please forgive me!!! 

You are forgiven my son. The Space Lizards made you do it. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Om My God

[llundrub]

Omygod!!! I can't believe what I've said and what I've done. I have been so
horrible. Please forgive me!!! 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

Actually, as I explained, or tried to explain, I am double libra in western
and virgo in jyotish. I said that like three times. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:50 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

You referred to yourself as a double Libra however over on the 
JyotishGroup your ascendant was found to be Virgo.  I think what you are 
not understanding is that Jyotish uses a sidereal horoscope and you are 
looking for the same positions you found in your western tropical 
chart.  There is usually around a -23 degree difference.

llundrub wrote:
> I don't like jyotishtools, it's not correct. I don't know how to make it
> correct, so that means I'm too stupid to use it. Doesn't anyone have a
copy
> of Gorovani or Parasharas they can slip me? Someone has to have one, and
not
> be such a freaking copywrite pussy that they...aw neverfuckingmind, thanks
> for nothing. 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of george_deforest
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:29 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW
>
> hey Kirk -- free jyotish software!  www.jyotishtools.com
>
>   
>> llundrub wrote:
>>
>> Hi FF, I need a copy of any jyotish software
>> which I can use for s personal project, not to make money from.
>> Please send me an email on the side if you can help me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>> Many people will thank you.
>> 
>
>
>
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

That came off kind of strong. I'm sorry. Thanks for your help peeps. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:20 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

I don't like jyotishtools, it's not correct. I don't know how to make it
correct, so that means I'm too stupid to use it. Doesn't anyone have a copy
of Gorovani or Parasharas they can slip me? Someone has to have one, and not
be such a freaking copywrite pussy that they...aw neverfuckingmind, thanks
for nothing. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of george_deforest
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:29 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

hey Kirk -- free jyotish software!  www.jyotishtools.com

> llundrub wrote:
>
> Hi FF, I need a copy of any jyotish software
> which I can use for s personal project, not to make money from.
> Please send me an email on the side if you can help me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> Many people will thank you.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

I don't like jyotishtools, it's not correct. I don't know how to make it
correct, so that means I'm too stupid to use it. Doesn't anyone have a copy
of Gorovani or Parasharas they can slip me? Someone has to have one, and not
be such a freaking copywrite pussy that they...aw neverfuckingmind, thanks
for nothing. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of george_deforest
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 6:29 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

hey Kirk -- free jyotish software!  www.jyotishtools.com

> llundrub wrote:
>
> Hi FF, I need a copy of any jyotish software
> which I can use for s personal project, not to make money from.
> Please send me an email on the side if you can help me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> Many people will thank you.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

Doesn't set up on Win XP. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:45 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

I'll give it a shot. All I really need is something which will give me the
lagna and nakshatra or navamsha of a person without my needing to think.
Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi FF, I need a copy of any jyotish software which I can use for
> s personal project, not to make money from. Please send me an
> email on the side if you can help me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Many people
> will thank you.

Here is a freeware program. I don't know how good it is:

http://vedicastrologer.org/jh/index.htm



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

I'll give it a shot. All I really need is something which will give me the
lagna and nakshatra or navamsha of a person without my needing to think.
Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish SW

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi FF, I need a copy of any jyotish software which I can use for
> s personal project, not to make money from. Please send me an
> email on the side if you can help me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Many people
> will thank you.

Here is a freeware program. I don't know how good it is:

http://vedicastrologer.org/jh/index.htm



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[FairfieldLife] Jyotish SW

[llundrub]

Hi FF, I need a copy of any jyotish software which I can use for s personal
project, not to make money from. Please send me an email on the side if you
can help me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Many people will thank you.  

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Various from 3/25: Marek, Vaj, Curtis, Barry

[llundrub]

My opinion is that we all need to thank the mods for their forbearance and
patience. And slamming Rick isn't the way to win the local popularity
contest. My opinion is that this five post limit is here just because of
Judy and therefore she shouldn't really keep pushing.  There's more at stake
than just ones rep on  the net, such as think of all those sidhas thinking
negatively about you Judy for so many years. Kind of makes one wonder what
sort of final karma is the result. But my guess is that is won't be neutral
or positive. At least in relation to your material well being. On the other
hand, many people have probably wished liberation upon you, and so maybe you
should thank your enemies, Judy, as they probably want your liberation more
than you even do. I just fucked my five posts plucking at a thorn. Oh what a
lack of wisdom. See you all tomorrow. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:34 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Various from 3/25: Marek, Vaj, Curtis, Barry

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Given Judy's attempts today to start and prolong
> arguments with Marek and Lurk, of all people,

Pretty funny, given that it was Marek and Lurk
who tried to start arguments with *me*, not the
reverse.  But typical of the up-is-downism that
seems to have taken over here lately.

> aren't you glad you don't go to the same cocktail 
> parties she does? 

At the kind of cocktail parties I prefer, most
of the guests value honesty--both intellectual
and factual.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Descartes before the horse (was Re: Heart-stopping)

[llundrub]

Ms. Mousetrap. Damned if you do, double damn! There is no winning against
Ms. Judy, and there is no transcendence in the intellect. Thanks for
illustrating.  Ms. Mousetrap. Damned if you do. Double damn!

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:11 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Descartes before the horse (was Re: Heart-stopping)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > 
> > snip
> > > 
> > > This speech comes from a place in me that has
> > > always held fairness, honesty, and sincerity as
> > > the highest values. I was raised with those
> > > values; they were how my parents treated me, and
> > > I was taught that I should stand up for those
> > > values, for others as well as myself, whenever I
> > > saw them being trashed.
> > > 
> > > Goodness knows I have my faults, but I do my
> > > level best to live up to that teaching, at least.
> > > And that's what I'm doing in this post.
> > 
> > (Speaking about you in the third person) (I think)  This 
> > lady is a powerful writer, and what a mind.  But I just 
> > can't help but feel she has this tremendous blind spot 
> > that prevents her from seeing things in clear light. I 
> > mean the moniker, "Defender of the Faith" seems 
> > appropiate.

Lurk, I think you've lost the context here.  What
I wrote that you quote wasn't about "defending the
faith."

But naturally Barry chooses to pick up on the non
sequitur, since it gives him an opportunity to
do some more bashing:
 
> The more I encounter this "defender of the faith"
> mentality, not just on FFL but in Christian groups
> and Buddhist groups and Islamic groups and even in
> political groups and Microsoft groups and Oracle 
> groups, the more I am reminded of Rene Descartes.

> And sadly, the more "attacks" that the small s self
> perceives, and the more it "defends" itself against
> them and feels important for having done so, the more 
> unhappy it gets.
> 
> As opposed to realizing that there is nothing to be
> "attacked," and nothing to defend, and nothing to
> defend *against*, and that letting go of the notion 
> of self is the thing that leads to the ultimate 
> happiness of Self.

And therefore, according to Barry, it's completely
unnecessary to go to the trouble to be fair, honest,
and sincere.

But we knew that about his perspective already.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] forwarded comments about the pundits,also elements and states of consciousness

[llundrub]

Excellent point Vaj, maybe heaven on Earth seems much easier from Vlodrrop.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:33 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] forwarded comments about the pundits,also
elements and states of consciousness

 

 

On Mar 26, 2007, at 2:24 AM, shukra69 wrote:





An example that Maharishi-ji often uses is that
water
only boils at exactly 100°C and not at 98°

 

 

This only applies to sea level, on earth. If you're at a higher altitude, it
boils at a lower temperature.  Boiling point is not a constant. I thought he
studied physics? That's pretty basic stuff.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants / next Governor Re-cert cour

[llundrub]

The impurity thing was at that time I was 17 and had come from being a punk
rocker, masturbating, cursing, previous drug addict, farting lout.  I didn't
realize at that time we are all the same ;) Okay, last post. Laterz 

That happened to me one time in the dome- someone said I was sitting 
in their spot( as if he owned the spot)- kind of upset me at the time.
I'm not sure why one person could make you feel 'impure', if you had 
not already bought into being inpure, within yourself- perhaps the 
idea of an abortion contributed to the feeling of being impure(who 
knows?).
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants / next Governor Re-cert cour

[llundrub]

Oh don't get me wrong, I felt glorious at that time like I was part of
something so very very important. I think more important than the specific
practice or anything else was the bringing together of so many people all
with the high intent of helping humanity. That alone was priceless. And the
'can do' attitude about raising the world's consciousness is tremendously
empowering at any rate.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Robert Gimbel
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:44 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants
/ next Governor Re-cert cour

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yea, I was first year at MIU, my girlfriend was knocked up and we 
were
> planning an abortion. We were both in love and completely 
miserable. It was
> the best of times, the worst of times. I remember sitting with my 
girlfriend
> in the middle of the THP group to see MMY up close, and some 
Purusha guy
> said to us, "Are you both on Purusha?" And I said, "Yes, we are!"  
Then he
> said to my utter shock, "You're a liar!"  His righteousness was 
what was
> shocking, so much so that we instantly got up and left the group 
going to
> sit all the way back against the wall where us impure pieces of 
shit could
> go unnoticed. Next I either had a dream or in reality I did see MMY 
up close
> and in the dream or reality, I am not sure which one it was, either 
I gave
> MMY a flower or he gave me one, or something.  
> 

That happened to me one time in the dome- someone said I was sitting 
in their spot( as if he owned the spot)- kind of upset me at the time.
I'm not sure why one person could make you feel 'impure', if you had 
not already bought into being inpure, within yourself- perhaps the 
idea of an abortion contributed to the feeling of being impure(who 
knows?).
Anyway, it was kind of crazy during the 'Taste of Utopia Course'...
I'm not sure they ever had the exact number, but it was estimated 
that there were almost 10,000 people there.
It was the longest that Maharishi had ever stayed in Fairfield.
He came there in the beginning of December, 1983, and left on January 
16th, 1984...(That night my son, Jeff was born-very auspicious!)
For me it just seemed all overwhelming at the time- My wife and I had 
a business going at the same time.
It's hard to really judge how effective the course was, because in my 
mind, it seems more important to have a stable community to have a 
greater effect, than just a quick flash in the pan.
Besides, there is always a kind of collapse, when the course ends, in 
some of the studies, it appears that there can be a spike in chaos, 
when the course ends.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

[llundrub]

25 paragraphs to defend something no one but you gives the slightest shit
about - your ego and other's perception of it. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:35 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heart-stopping

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Maybe I'm guilty of damning with faint praise.

Allow me to give you a quick rundown, Rick, of why
that was such an incredibly offensive post, since
you seem puzzled that I didn't receive it well.

First, you appear to think it's rare that I allow
my "inner child" to make a post here.

If that's what you believe, as I've had occasion to
point out before, you simply haven't been paying
attention.

And you go on in your response to Lurk to suggest
that I'll do so only if *others* lovingly choose
to make it "safe" for me.

For your information, my "inner child" has always
felt entirely secure to come out whenever she had
something she wanted to say, despite the often
threatening environment.

Then you presumed to ask my "critics" to go easy
on me because I'm purportedly so emotionally
"wounded."

It's hard to imagine anything more insultingly,
overtly condescending.

Finally, and worst of all, you made your judgment
of me crystal clear: *I'm* the one here who "speaks
harshly"--apparently, as far as you're concerned,
without any provocation other than that of what you
assume to be my "emotional wounds."

You did not even pretend to acknowledge my view of
the situation--which is more than amply documented
in the traffic--that I've been the *target* of
gratuitously "harsh speech" since before I even
arrived here. When I "speak harshly," in the vast
majority of cases, it's in *response* to that speech;
I rarely initiate it.

(And again, for your information, I'm not so 
insecure as to be "wounded" by harsh speech; I'm
just astonished that it's tolerated in a
purportedly "spiritual" forum.)

But you persist in your view that I am the sinner,
not the sinned against, as if that were such a
well-established fact that you don't need even to
pay lip service to my perspective.

And then you proceeded to assure me that you were
not being either condescending or judgmental.

Whatever you told yourself your intentions were in
making that post, and whatever merit your point has
in general terms, if you're unable to recognize the
thinly veiled hostility toward me in the way you
worded it, you're very sadly deficient in self-
knowledge.

I have always found overtly expressed hostility,
even when it's gratuitous, far less repellent and
contemptible than this kind of smarmy faux
compassion.

My "harsh speech" in this response does not come
from "emotional wounds." I have them, just like
everyone else, as you point out. But they simply
don't manifest in this kind of environment; it
isn't what they're sensitive to. They're smarter
than that, so to speak.

This speech comes from a place in me that has
always held fairness, honesty, and sincerity as
the highest values. I was raised with those
values; they were how my parents treated me, and
I was taught that I should stand up for those
values, for others as well as myself, whenever I
saw them being trashed.

Goodness knows I have my faults, but I do my
level best to live up to that teaching, at least.
And that's what I'm doing in this post.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants / next Governor Re-cert cour

[llundrub]

Yea, I was first year at MIU, my girlfriend was knocked up and we were
planning an abortion. We were both in love and completely miserable. It was
the best of times, the worst of times. I remember sitting with my girlfriend
in the middle of the THP group to see MMY up close, and some Purusha guy
said to us, "Are you both on Purusha?" And I said, "Yes, we are!"  Then he
said to my utter shock, "You're a liar!"  His righteousness was what was
shocking, so much so that we instantly got up and left the group going to
sit all the way back against the wall where us impure pieces of shit could
go unnoticed. Next I either had a dream or in reality I did see MMY up close
and in the dream or reality, I am not sure which one it was, either I gave
MMY a flower or he gave me one, or something.  

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of feste37
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:04 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS - Call for more participants
/ next Governor Re-cert cour

If I recall correctly, the highest number of flyers we had on that course
was 
7,831. That would have been either very late December, 1983, or early 
January, 1984. That remains the highest figure ever recorded in the US, I 
believe. I don't think it has ever reached 10,000. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> I'll accept "nothing" as a predicted outcome of 
> reaching the superradiance threshhold for the 
> United States, but my recollection of the Taste 
> of Utopia differs from what's above. 
> 
> First of all, 1,600 was the number needed for 
> the U.S. alone. The course was trying to 
> demonstrate what would happen if we reached 
> a number sufficient for the whole world, 7,000 
> being the square root of one percent of the 
> world's population at the time. Actual 
> course participants totaled more than 10,000 
> at peak attendance. In the aftermath of the 
> course, a group in Fairfield formed a "7000 
> Now" committee, reinforcing in my mind that 
> the goal remained 7k, not 10k, as you suggest, 
> Sal.
>




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RE: [FairfieldLife] The Sunday Market at Anduze

[llundrub]

Haha, Zaphod Beelbelbrox, I considered the profundity of the mantra "Fuck
God" this morning and found it very profound. I suppose we might have both
been thinking along similar lines.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:25 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Sunday Market at Anduze


Sunday mornings I have kind of a routine. I know that 
it's very un-Castaneda-like to *have* a routine, but 
there you jolly well are, aren't you. I like it, so 
it's become a routine for me, a weekly ritual that I 
look forward to. I get up, shower, meditate, and then 
drive 20 kilometers or so to the marché at Anduze. 

It's a fairly big one, filling the entire parking lot 
of the Super U and the adjacent empty field next to 
it and, unlike many of the other marchés in the area, 
it's not overly commercialized. Some of the marchés 
have the same stands every week, professional retailers 
who have figured out that they don't need to pay for 
a storefront in order to make a living. But at Anduze 
it's an equal mix of marché and vide grenier (literally 
"empty the attic"), and so there's almost always 
something there to surprise you. I like surprises. I 
spend some time wandering around the stalls, seeing 
whether anything attracts me enough to buy it, and 
then I walk into town and sit at my favorite café, 
drinking coffee and cognac and writing shit like 
this on my laptop for as long as its little battery
holds out.

This morning the marché reminded me of the "New Fair-
field Life," and the reminder made me smile. I 
wandered past dozens of stands, each one a reflection 
of the consciousness of the person who had set it up, 
each one enticing passersby to stop and browse and 
perhaps share a conversation, even if they're not 
interested in buying anything that's on sale there. 

This morning, possibly as a result of the discipline 
I've learned on the "New FFL," I was able to get all 
the way through the marché without doing much damage 
to my wallet. From one stand I bought some incense, 
and at another I bought two DVDS -- Milos Forman's 
Amadeus and Claude Lelouch's marvelous Toute une vie 
(What Now My Love, in its English release). The latter 
was quite a find; it's fairly rare and I've been 
searching for it for several years now, and it only 
cost me nine Euros, new.

There were two other items I considered buying, and 
I'm still sitting here at the café thinking about them, 
so they obviously  have their samskaric hooks into me, 
and there is some possibility that I might still go 
back and buy them. The first was a stuffed badger. Yes, 
I did say "stuffed badger." You're probably waiting for 
the punchline, or for an explanation of what "stuffed 
badger" is a euphemism for in French. No such luck. It 
was a stuffed badger. With its mouth open, snarling, 
and with bright red blood painted dripping from its 
teeth and jaws. I saw it and just stood there shell-
shocked, wondering first who would have *done* this, 
and second *why*. It was SO ugly that the Zaphod 
("Anything for a weird life.") Beebelbrox in me just 
had to have it. And then near it, in an adjacent stall, 
I saw an antique Catholic prayer stand from a church, 
on which the believer is supposed to kneel, place his 
or her hands on the raised rest provided for such things, 
and pray. In a flash my mind had bought both objects, 
placed the badger ON the prayer stand, as if in deep 
communion with God, and installed the whole artwork in 
my living room as a conversation piece. I've definitely 
been spending far too much time with my neighbor R. Crumb.

Fortunately -- or not, depending on one's point of view -- 
this artistic epiphany was followed shortly afterwards 
by sanity, and both the badger and the prayer stand 
are still in their stalls back at the marché. But I 
have to walk past them again on my way back to my car, 
so weirdness may still happen this Sunday morning.  :-)

Anyway, the part of this coffee-and-cognac tale that 
relates to Fairfield Life is the marché itself. I LIKE 
the "New FFL." I think it's just bloody WONDERFUL. The 
five-post limit has introduced an element of structure 
and discipline to a forum -- and a membership -- that 
were IMO badly in need of both. And I happily include 
myself in that generalized opinion.

Before the "New FFL," I was in the situation of wander-
ing through a marché with my pockets bulging with cash, 
knowing that I could stop at any stand, discuss the 
merchandise on sale there, and buy anything that caught 
my eye. I was never placed in the position of thinking, 
"Can I afford this? Do I really want to spend my time 
and my energy here?" Now I have those thoughts when I 
read Fairfield Life, and I think that's a Good Thing.

Part of me still longs to reply to a couple of dozen 
posts a day, especially now that some olde favorite 
posters like Shemp have rejoined us.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Saturday quotas

[llundrub]

Fuck this, I quit. Now I am categorized with Judy.  Life fucking sucks!

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:03 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Saturday quotas

 

Judy and Kirk each did 6. Otherwise everyone was on or under quota.

 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Bhairitu's Reports and Retorts for March 24th

[llundrub]

Nishkrama shanti mantras can be used by all wholesale and sundry, so the
various traditional commitments of upasakas don't so much apply.  If one
then desires a specific result where some other mantra is needed one must
abide by the vow of the sadhana. In the case of TMO all more purposeful
rituals besides the basic shanti techniques are controlled by the
traditional Brahmans who will know what to do.Since this is the Vedic
Tradition. Otherwise all the broken vows of the millions of TMers would have
crashed the technique for everyone else. But that hasn't happened. Nishkrama
shanti. That's why. Doesn't matter so much whether it's of Siva or Shakti,
but more importantly what the practice commitment is. In this case 20 x 2.
If one follows that practice vow they should end up with nonkarmic
peacefulness.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:56 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bhairitu's Reports and Retorts for March 24th

Using the Science of Creative Communications (SCC) I have devised a 
method of overcoming the 5 post limit on FFL.  Just simply put all your 
new posts and replies into one post and at different times throughout 
the day post an update. :)

I wanted to reply to Turq's "A Speculation of the Genesis of TM"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136076

I highly doubt that effort was the reason MMY invented TM.  For 
centuries there has been meditation techniques for the masses and 
meditation techniques for the disciples.  The latter often involves a 
lot more than just meditation but performing rituals and tapas (more in 
the case of right hand traditions).   But these things were considered 
impractical for the public and simple meditation techniques were given 
them.  Probably about every monk at the ashram knew how to teach a 
"civilian" meditation as there is not that much special or unique about 
it.  It traditionally takes a teacher who has been given a guru mantra 
so that they have enough shakti to energize a mantra they give someone 
(without the need of performing a puja beforehand).  Many Indian 
"civilians" even know how this is done but also that it must be given to 
them by a guru or priest so it is energized.

Why MMY diverged from the traditional techniques the Shankaracharya's 
gave the masses is the great mystery.  Maybe it is as Rick once 
suggested to make the technique unique.  Bija mantras are used in longer 
mantras to give them more power.  They are seldom used by themselves.

However let me make clear I do not want to cast doubt into anyone's TM 
practice.  If it is working for you, fine.  If not there are other 
mantra meditation techniques available that may work better for you.  
One should proceed with caution and do some research first by reading up 
on the subject.



Curtis's comment on "Press Invitation, written by Maharishi,,,"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136135

"It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his teacher is the
highest, bestest, most fantastical saint in India.  Competitive thing
isn't he?  Best in spirituality.  That reminds me of people who claim
to be the best in art."

Indians are given to hyperbole to a ridiculous extent.  One gets used to 
this traveling throughout India as every saint, guru, etc. is the 
"greatest, bestest" of all time.  Seems to be a habit they have.  In the 
west most people are usually leery of such marketing hype though.

===

On Alex's reply to "Novell's 'Get a Mac' Spoof", regarding media players.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/136134

I'm writing this on my Ubuntu 6.10 machine.  It is very user friendly.  
The only problem is Ubuntu is sticking to pure "open source" free 
products so you have to go elsewhere to find media players that will 
play a wider range of media.  I use VLC (VideoLan) for a lot of media as 
it better designed than MPlayer.   None of these require a geek to 
install as Ubuntu comes with a package installer (in fact I think VLC 
just comes with Ubuntu).  More and more software vendors are beginning 
to develop for Linux.  I think the main problems is that being open 
source how do you do an encryption layer that allows software vendors to 
copy protect their software?  I'm sure that can be solved too.  How is 
it done on OS X? There used to be copy protection software Mac OS 9.0 
and under but I don't see anything for X.  But the solution may be 
virtual software where you go online to run a program rather than have 
it on your machine.  This scare the hell out of Microsoft since you 
wouldn't need Windows to do that.

Also Linspire's "Freespire" project has a media player that will play an 
even broader range of media.   In many case Linspire aquired a license 
for the codecs.

I have 3 XP machines here for software that runs on Windows but I won't 
do email on anything but a Linux box as w

RE: [FairfieldLife] Confessions of a Taco Eater

[llundrub]

Thank you. I understand you a bit more now. I feel good about it. Please
stay well. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:05 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confessions of a Taco Eater

Pandit Llundrub - Some of my messages are interesting, if I may say so
myself. I've been trashed real good by Judy, the two Barry's, Mr.
Perino, and Mr. Manning, not to mention Lon P. Stacks and the Asshole
Nick, but I don't take offense. In fact, I welcome the trashing
because that let's me get my own karma under control. 

It's a form of tapas and I take great pride in my siddhi
accomplishments. You see, I belong to an obscure sect in India that
prides itself on saying things in public that gets one trashed - it's
a sadhana meant to help other people get rid of their own karma. 

So, I don't resent the trashing, I thank them for it. Some people just
feel better when they have someone to talk to. Apparently you and I
are on the same path!

This fellow is at the Center of the Universe - still on the program,
meditating regularly during all the International meditating times and
avidly flying and rounding every weekend. I'm about a mile from the
Maharishi Golden Dome at Radience, Texas, the TM Ideal Village, home
of the Superradience Program. 

On a clear day the view from up here is great - I can see all the way
to Barsana Dham, the  seat of the Rasavada and Srimati Radharani, one
of the largest Hindu temples outside Mother India, where the Swami
Prakashanand Saraswati sits and gives discourses. The Swami is one of
the last direct disciples of our Guru Dev, who are still living. 

My words are recorded more to remind myself of my own earthliness,
rather than to convey and inform. Up here, words almost fail in their
ability to describe the sense of order and coherence that I sometimes
feel, an almost transcendental awareness of calm. 

Here I sit, up on Joe Friday Mountain, my laptop by my side, fully
convinced that I have realized my very own personal zone of tranquility. 

Anyway, if you ever get out to my place, we will have plenty of time
to worship the Great Wheel of Time, Kala Chakra, and just sit on the
porch and watch the moon climb over the mountain. 

Otherwise, you can be dialoging with this fellow on Usenet. However, I
must warn you - don't feed it.

The Confessions of a Taco Eater:

http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm

Reflections on the Transcendent:

http://www.rwilliams.us/

At the Center of the Universe:

http://tinyurl.com/2thgme

Or, you can be going to Google Groups and key in willytex, without the
words RE: and OT:, then, key in IF  THEN   OR
 ELSE .   



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press invitation, written by Maharishi in October, 1952

[llundrub]

There's no point flogging this horse to death. Saying something is the
'best' is merely an appeal to the ego, and a sales pitch.  Obviously we all
would like to think we were the best and we will be more content knowing we
have 'the best.' There's not really much that's very deep than needs to read
into this.  I don't think most megalomaniacs use 'the best' as a sales
pitch, for them, it's more like 'the only.'

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:53 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press invitation, written by Maharishi in
October, 1952

 

On Mar 24, 2007, at 8:36 AM, authfriend wrote:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It is also interesting that MMY twice invokes that his
teacher is the highest, bestest, most fantastical saint
in India. Competitive thing isn't he? Best in spirituality.
That reminds me of people who claim to be the best in art.


Or in politics, hmm?

Thing is, it isn't exactly *unusual* for followers
of a spiritual teacher or political or other kind of
leader to believe that the teacher or leader is the
"best" in their field. If you didn't think that, why
would you be following them in the first place?


Maybe because he was the one who happened to come your way at the right
time. As in so many other things, timing is crucial to who most people
follow and why.

And I believe there's a big difference between thinking something might be
the best, for you at least, and loudly trumpeting it, over and over (at
least as per Curtis' description above). The former might be natural, the
latter almost a form of aggression, really having not much to do with the
teacher and everything to do with the student's own needs to put himself on
a pedestal as much as the teacher.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Richard

[llundrub]

Hey Richard, I wish to know you a bit better. Really. I feel I have never
understood your intent. Is most of it pretty tongue in cheek? Or what?  I
know, my lack of understanding is ipso facto ignorance, so how about helping
me to understand you. Thanks - Kirk
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Governor recertification, Call for more participants

[llundrub]

FF is a lot like New Orleans. People come here for the party, spend all they
own and get stuck for the rest of their lives.  Same there, except for
spiritual reasons. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:54 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Governor recertification, Call for more
participants

 

From: Dome Announcements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >

Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:17:11 -0500

 

1. Governor Recertification Course Starts July 7

2. Urgent Need -- Just a Few Hundred More Invincible America Assembly
Participants

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

Down to one post left after this, but. Kirk, you are like 
the model of superfluid helium.  Great coherence below the surface, 
with that little bit, or lotta bit of entropy on the surface.  Seems 
to me you've even mellowed in the last year.  If you were a stock, I'd 
be buying.

lurk


Was I. I thought that was my first or second post of the day. Oh well, two
hours to midnight and a fresh start. Yes, ever since the chef gig I get my
aggressions out at work and am a lot less in the mood to fight. Though you
all might not so much notice, in general, that was a thoughtful and
perceptive insight.  Why, thanks Lurknowmod.
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

That I am a TM trasher is a lucidrous conceit. I am an MIU grad and longtime
fan of Fairfield. Not to mention ex-student THP. For people to claim I am
hateful and anti-TM is bogus and patently stupid.  Perhaps I am merely
critical of certain things. That's all! But I praise MMY for teaching me
things I would have never otherwise known. Jaia Maharishi! Those of you who
claim that a contingent here is payed to provoke anti-TM sentiment is
ludicrously paranoid and blind. Makes me want to bwahahahaa all the way to
bedtime.

 left

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:44 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better &
higher I feel.

Comment below.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of authfriend
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:55 AM
who posted them, and the EXACT quotes that she
considers "trashing TMers." I think that when she
does the result will be gales of laughter from
almost everyone here, as they realize the things
she CONSIDERS "trashing TMers."

I've been trying to be really, really good. As 
far as I know I have made NO posts in which I
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

Well, it's obvious to everyone except to you. That's why it's called a blind
spot. Because one cannot perceive it without the help of others. Ignore your
blind spot as you wish, but the only loser will be you, for being stuck in
the same continual samsaric trap that you created for yourself by playing
into it. You have never even met Barry, and for all you know, he may just be
an alter-ego of mine. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:59 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better &
higher I feel.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's nothing in Barry that deserves an assault. Whatever you are
> assaulting is whatever you are perceiving in yourself that you hate, 
and you
> must really hate it badly. I suggest you look to the responsible 
culprit for
> your feeling - yourself.

Bull.





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

I can only remove myself from the situation, but I simply cannot change. I
have tried everything. I am a double Libra and feel that everyone should get
as good as they give. I am sorry to be..(Kirk has posted more than five
times, to be nice we have truncated his post). 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:04 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better
& higher I feel.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:50 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better
& higher I feel.

 

This, coming from dogshit mouth himself.

Hey Kirk, I know both you and OffWorld are colorful characters, but we're
trying to keep it a bit more civil around here. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of off_world_beings
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:27 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> 

Both of you are all mister nicey nicey's right now, but you are the 
ones that made FFL such an unpleasant place to be in the past.

OFfWorld

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

If you disapprove Jim, then I consider myself successful.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of jim_flanegin
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better &
higher I feel.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's nothing in Barry that deserves an assault. Whatever you are
> assaulting is whatever you are perceiving in yourself that you hate

Kirk, Offworld recently posted excerpts to Barry's posts 81046 and 
112581, both deeply offensive comments made to or about Judy. To state 
Barry is blameless in this situation is both unfair and untrue in my 
opinion. Your comment to Offworld is also uncalled for, under our new 
guidelines.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

This, coming from dogshit mouth himself.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of off_world_beings
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:27 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Both of you are all mister nicey nicey's right now, but you are the 
ones that made FFL such an unpleasant place to be in the past.

OFfWorld
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

There's nothing in Barry that deserves an assault. Whatever you are
assaulting is whatever you are perceiving in yourself that you hate, and you
must really hate it badly. I suggest you look to the responsible culprit for
your feeling - yourself.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:00 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better &
higher I feel.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Judy, I am happy to not understand. Barry however, does
> honestly contribute, and I don't see anything in his
> demeaner besides some smugness that warranted the ten
> year assault against him from the Lawson Judy team.

Perhaps that's because you have been happy not to
understand me when I've pointed out what in his
demeanor warrants the "assault" against him.

> Honestly, they are the two main reasons this group
> went to shit. Those are the two who have rattled
> this group without adding the slightest value for
> content.

See, in my view Lawson has added more valuable
content here than, for example, you, by a factor
of at least ten.  Different strokes for different
folks.  But I've never attacked you for what I
perceive as the low value of your posts.

 Just because someone copies some 
> interesting tidbit from the net doesn't make them a
> netizen.

Do you really believe all Lawson and I have contributed
here is attacks on Barry and interesting tidbits from
the net?


> Judy, your continued attacks on Barry have made me
> really not like you.

This is so totally clueless it boggles the mind.
You have every right in the world not to like me,
Llun, but it's simply astounding you could have
gotten the professed reasons for your dislike so
utterly backward.

Barry was attacking me *before I even got here*--
as you'll recall if you think for a moment, because
you helped him out--and those attacks have continued
unabated ever since, most of them gratuitous.

My "sin," for the most part, has been in responding
to them and pointing out how dishonest and
hypocritical they were.  *You* try being the target
of such attacks day after day after day and see if
you can keep your mouth shut.

Get real, for pete's sake.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better & higher I feel.

[llundrub]

No offense, but FFLife prior to the rule was just yours, spraigs, and judys
playground and all you guys did was make everybody totally crazy trying to
keep up. I passed over months of postings of 200+ posts per day after you
guys came because I didn't know where to start reading or if there would
ever be something of content. Ironic about the article about politicizing
the law of the country from Judy because this is what you and her do best -
politicize the truth until nobody wants to share in your bickering reality
any longer. However, of the three of you I never once read something from
spraig of his own thought, he just sounded like a farting lout, with a mike
and OCR taped between his legs. Judy, I am happy to not understand. Barry
however, does honestly contribute, and I don't see anything in his demeaner
besides some smugness that warranted the ten year assault against him from
the Lawson Judy team. Honestly, they are the two main reasons this group
went to shit. Those are the two who have rattled this group without adding
the slightest value for content. Just because someone copies some
interesting tidbit from the net doesn't make them a netizen. No. To be a
netizen for real one must respect the net and others. It is not a dumping
station for any old shit. Respect. And then, if one doesn't respect, say it,
but then let it go. Judy, your continued attacks on Barry have made me
really not like you. I don't care for bullies, and the worst sort are those
who turned bully after being in the reverse position for most of their
lives. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:37 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THANKS 4 the new ff life tone 4 the better &
higher I feel.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Nope.  No more action there from FFLers than there has
> > been since well before the new regime.
> > 
> > It's been minimal, except for Vaj, who has been holding
> > forth as a purported authority on TM and meditation in
> > general for some weeks now.
> > 
> > It's like trying to clean out a stable with a teaspoon.
>  
> So you're comparing Vaj to horseshit? I thought you were going 
> to try and curb the baiting comments.

Jeez, Geez. There you go reading ill intent into
things again. I took the comment to be a Christ
metaphor, with its clear parallels to the stable
in which He was born. The teaspoon represents our
lowly and ineffective means of dispensing with
ignorance, as opposed to the silver vajra shovel 
of the enlightened. Have you forgotten all of the 
positivity that you learned in your TM days? Time 
to have the prescription on your golden glasses 
checked, dude.

:-)

More seriously, if I may be so bold as to say it,
I think that the "boring" thang that some people
are putting words to is an expression of a reali-
zation -- that *they* don't really have much to
say unless there is something pithy said here by
someone *else* for them to bounce off of.

We've all gotten used to being able to log on to
Fairfield Life and find at least a few posts that 
we can comment on in a manner that reflects our
Mood Of The Day. If we're feeling angry, we click
Next until we find something that allows us to
give vent to that anger, and then "let fly." If
we're feeling self-important, we click Next until
we find some post that we can interpret as a
challenge to that self-importance and again, "let
fly." In a few rare cases, if we're feeling good
we respond to the positive or funny posts with
more positivity or humor. But the bottom line is
that 90& of the posts here -- out of habit -- are
REACTIVE.

I think that the "New FFL" is a Good Thing. It
*does* have more "silence," and that's a Good Thing
because it's more like a Quaker meeting than a 
pile-on argument at the corner bar. In Quaker meet-
ings no one says anything UNLESS THEY'VE 
GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. I suspect that that's 
the case with the "New FFL." Give it some time. I 
think that *most* people here have something to 
say, if they are just given enough time to realize 
it and get over the need to respond compulsively 
to What Other People Say.

I'm a FAN of the New, Improved Fairfield Life. I
made only one post yesterday because I didn't have
anything else to say. But that's Ok. Sometimes 
silence really is a great deal more "blessed" than
the belief that one has to fill every silence with
the noise of gums flapping. 

Bottom line? If you want to have more to say on a
spiritual forum, have more spiritual experiences.
And then share them.





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Vedic Verses Installment 46 a deeper meaning her...

[llundrub]

"Guru Dev is quoted as saying we must learn to silence
the mind in order to KNOW the SELF."

Did he say something about Guru Dev having been
the first?  I must have missed it.


-Don't know what you're asking. Calming the mind for knowing the self is
straight yoga philosophy. Yoga citta vritti nirodaha.
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Vedic Verses Installment 46 a deeper meaning her...

[llundrub]

The saying was above the temple door of Delphi, the Greek oracle.  None of
the above said it. Nobody knows who inscribed the temple façade.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:22 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Vedic Verses Installment 46 a deeper
meaning her...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Guru Dev is quoted as saying we must learn to silence the mind in 
order to  
> KNOW the SELF. For some that may be sleep "snore" others by  
meditation.

Okay, I like someone who will defend their (his/her) position.  BTW, 
I thought it was Aristotle who coined that phrase. Or was it Veda 
Vyasa, or was it Jesus, or was it the Egyptian Pharoahs, or was it 
the Atlantian Priests.  Or maybe, as you imply, Guru Dev was the 
first to discover this.

lurk
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Para level of thinking

[llundrub]

Lhuny: Yep, all is the Dharmadhatu.  What is of most interest to me is the
working out of glitches, which are moments of self-unawareness of
inseparability of inner/outer.  Hoglen makes it sound like one can just go
around desiring anything anytime if they do it right and it will be
fulfilled. Obviously karma and proper timing are the real issues, not ones
desire.  Especially, say for getting laid - a Hoglen speciality, say, and
then have someone rape them when they're sleeping.  Timing is everything.
Thus for a desire to get the final adidaivic approval one needs to sense the
importance and priority of nature's desires. Nature desires everything which
is why everything exists. Which is why one attains a state of Brahman, that
is, simply because one desire cannot protract another, thus the only real
payoff or result is wholeness and the sense thereof. Because we already have
everything with nothing excluded. 

I bet Hoeglen was really leading up to...supporting the pundits...and your
pocketbook.

TomT:
On the other hand one might better be served by realizing that the
thought one is picking up is being downloaded from the server and the
closer one picks it to the source the more one sees that thought
fulfilled. Like all things the point of view from the absolute is
going to be different than from the level of duality. When you know
you and source are the same the more one realizes everything is being
downloaded from source and one becomes a really great terminal. Dumb
but effective. Tom T




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re the new Pandit update: Send Money

[llundrub]

Cursing shows attachment. I should know. Some karma still being burned away.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of jim_flanegin
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:45 AM


He has been over it for awhile now. Check out the energy of his 
messages- lots of humor there. For all of Florida's rain, very 
dry...Ha-Ha!
 
> -Original Message-
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
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> On Behalf Of Peter
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:14 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re the new Pandit update: Send Money
> 
> 
> --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:6 PM, Peter wrote:
> > 
> > > Bunch of f***ing scum bag con artists. Sleazy
> > > rakshasa's. Lie, distort, manipulate in the name
> > of
> > > spirituality. A**holes.
> > 
> > The 'new' pundit update sounds a heck of a lot like
> > most of the old 
> > ones.
> > 
> > Sal
> 
> Can't stand sociopathic con artists. Definition of the
> Devil: father of all lies.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re the new Pandit update: Send Money

[llundrub]

This charging for spirituality is the way spirit involves and the gurus
blessing flow. Thus we spiral into Kali yuga based on involution and
evolution. See Tarot card 15. Meanwhile the spiritual centers will be bought
and drained like oil reservoirs once a teacher or their vibes are siphoned
off. Then the teacher will be made more material for their next karmic spin.
And so on as we progresss into Kali's maw. Just because of this charging.
You see, it's Kali's due. So get over it. Kali is Great! Jai Ma - all things
work out to their ultimate!

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:14 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re the new Pandit update: Send Money


--- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > Bunch of f***ing scum bag con artists. Sleazy
> > rakshasa's. Lie, distort, manipulate in the name
> of
> > spirituality. A**holes.
> 
> The 'new' pundit update sounds a heck of a lot like
> most of the old 
> ones.
> 
> Sal

Can't stand sociopathic con artists. Definition of the
Devil: father of all lies.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms => thanks Jim

[llundrub]

If you even knew what the fuck I was talking about your response would be
worth more than a fart in the wind.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of hyperbolicgeometry
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:36 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms => thanks Jim

-"Seeing into the Buddha fields" is irrelevant, unless you define it 
(the seeing of something) rather broadly.  Did Shankara see into the 
Buddha fields? Did Ramana Maharshi.??
 How about: "seeing into the Ramana Maharshi fields" as a requirement, 
or "seeing into the SBS fields"??


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 20, 2007, at 3:24 PM, llundrub wrote:
> 
> > Did they all see into the Buddha fields? Then they were not  
> > awakened, just
> > perhaps not dreaming any longer.
> 
> So true.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms => thanks Jim

[llundrub]

Did they all see into the Buddha fields? Then they were not awakened, just
perhaps not dreaming any longer. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of matrixmonitor
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms => thanks Jim

---Yes, Tolle, Ramana, and Papaji are examples of individuals who 
awakened more or less spontaneously without the need of prior 
practices.  In a statistical curve, such persons are in the 
99.9% percentile.  The rest of us laggards need 
good "techniques" like TM.


 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Namaste Jim,
> 
> Thanks for a very refreshing account with minimum labels and
> conclusions. Simplicity seems to be a good pointer toward reality.
> 
> Especially your last three paragraphs impress me that your awakening
> is in the right direction and genuine from what I understand from
> Ammachi, Papaji and others.
> 
> Your account has some similarities with one( of many ) common 
patterns
> that I have been reading about: spiritual practices, gathering
> knowledge, having experiences, perhaps siddhis, and finally some 
sort
> of letting it all go because it all seems somewhat burdensome and
> complicated compared to the underlying simplicity of 
stillness/beingness. 
> 
> Eckhart Tolle's path was a little different but still similar. He 
was
> searching for the meaning of life in academics which provided some
> happiness alternating with deep anxiety and depression. He said that
> suffering was his teacher and finally " `I' cannot live with 
`myself'
> " was the impetus for  the inquiry "Am `I' two or one?" and LETTING 
GO
> which resulted in the reduction of 80% of his mental thoughts. 
> Letting go was not a choice, it was God's Grace, in my 
understanding.
> 
> Sitting in Bliss on park benches for about two years followed. 
Then, a
> gradual integration and balance followed. In his case the letting go
> was primary and then, the simple spiritual knowledge( relatively 
free
> from past ) followed later. What Eckhart teaches is relatively free
> from the past, religions and traditions and accounts for his
> popularity. Of course, the essence of his teaching is the same 
because
> truth is one.
> 
> One of Amma's statements is that a time will come, after enough
> spiritual effort and enough suffering, when one will lose all grasp 
on
> wealth, health, finances and spiritual practices themselves; then,
> there will be no choice but to surrender the ego completely. This 
may
> sound too drastic and perhaps not necessary for everyone; or perhaps
> allegorical. But, then again "to completely surrender the ego
> completely" is perhaps a goal not reached any other way? Just a
> thought for the time being. 
> 
> Papaji points out that genuine awakening occurs when everything, all
> concepts, all beliefs, everything is surrendered completely, at 
least
> for one moment.  He warns that preconceived concepts about higher
> spiritual states can be a trap, because, as the mind becomes more
> powerful on the spiritual path, the mind will create these 
conceptual
> higher states( different levels and all that ) and the ego will feel
> it has arrived. The "ego" will feel that it is God.
> 
> It seems that was the case with a Rakshasa like Ravana who was very
> adapt at spiritual austerities and siddhis. And perhaps explains the
> fallen/false spiritual teacher scenerio. 
> 
> Jim, if you haven't read Papaji's "The Truth Is" and "Nothing Ever
> Happened" I highly recommend these. 
> 
> "The Truth Is" provides hundreds of ways in which to flush out all 
the
> nooks and crannies where the ego can hide. See especially page 399
> "Sadhana: There is no Becoming Being"
> 
> "Nothing Ever Happened" is an excellent biography. Papaji was a 
family
> man, a military officer, and managing engineer. His self realization
> started at age eight and matured in his 30's? when he met Ramana.
> Before that he did plenty of spiritual practices on his own. So,
> obviously, the "awakening" that he talks about has to be understood 
in
> the proper context; perhaps not understood but felt by ones 
Beingness.
> His mother was a sister of one of India's great sages.
> 
> Again Jim, thanks for Awakening and blessing all of us with your
> simple, clear and genuine account.
> 
> Gob Bless,
> amar
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> > > 
> >
> > Interesting thought about the two paradigms. Reflecting about it 
for 
> > a bit, I've identified four distinct approaches that have taken 
me: 
> > 
> > First, it was a matter of discovering what enlightenment was; how 
it 
> > was different from anything else, what it meant-- lasting from 
the 
> > time I was in high school until I learned TM. This was a time 
where 
> > I was searching several different paths, trying them on like 
> > clothing and seeing how lo

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms => thanks Jim

[llundrub]

Jimbo say: The sense of I am gets unbelieveably burdensome. The harder I
tried 
to define who I was, the less I liked myself, or the less 
satisfaction I derived from my attempts to explain myself and life 
in terms of ownership. Death of the self ultimately was preferable. 
Big time. No comparison.

Lhuny say: What's to like?
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Goodbye

[llundrub]

As most would agree, you're too kind.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:28 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Goodbye

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of llundrub
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:22 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Goodbye

 

I am using a post to commend the mod's decisions and to say goodbye to all
you diarrhea posters. Now you compulsive no-lifers can take it back home to
AMT where the world will be your plastic oyster. 

I'm glad you're not saying goodbye. You scared me there for a moment.

 

[FairfieldLife] Goodbye

[llundrub]

I am using a post to commend the mod's decisions and to say goodbye to all
you diarrhea posters. Now you compulsive no-lifers can take it back home to
AMT where the world will be your plastic oyster.   

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Two Paradigms

[llundrub]

 

Whoever wrote:

 

You definitely see this in the history of the first nondual teachers in this
country. They at first would teach from a radical, nondual POV and transmit
that state of presence simply through their own presence. A few got it. Most
did not. And thereafter they developed graduated paths geared towards where
different students were.

 

-Actually there is no connection between graduated and sudden paths just
as there is no connection between a tiger and lion beyond genre. Most
graduated paths are totally against the newbie. That is, one must go through
all the previous motions just as the acolytes in "Tommy."  Because nobody
like the prodigal child, everybody must pay. You will only get sudden
liberation from those few who were raised in that path. Just as you will
only get concise help from an expert in their own field. 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms

[llundrub]

If the stupid can give jolting shaktipat then so can the evil. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of matrixmonitor
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:58 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Two Paradigms

--Thanks again, Jim; I just got a jolt of your "Shakti"very 
Blissful. (my hairs stood on end). 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Night

[llundrub]

Consider yourself hugely insulted then, and that insult confirmed and
raised. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:28 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good Night

Alex Stanley wrote:
> willytex? I set up my email client to dump his 
> posts directly into the trash folder; his posts are
> incoherent gibberish and a complete waste of time.
> 
Alex - This is an insult - some moderator you turned out to be. Thanks
for all you help.

Rick Archer wrote:
> Personal attacks of any kind by anyone should 
> result and restriction or termination of one's 
> posting rights.
>
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Lawson's Adieu (was Re: Breaking News)

[llundrub]

I had Spraig in the junk mail since day one. He never bothered me ;0

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:57 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawson's Adieu (was Re: Breaking News)

 

LOL, I guess he never realized that people were simply being *realistic*.

 

Probably best he left if he felt so defensive he could not get that.

 

 

On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:29 AM, authfriend wrote:





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

How did that happen.

 

I found this in my inbox this morning from Lawson:

 

 

Hey Judy,

 

Yeah, I felt kinda singled out about the number-of-postings issue. I 

sent a "fairwell, it's been fun" message, and then quit the group 

before my message percolated through the Yahoo mail system (Yahoo 

group messages sent via the online interface apparently send emails 

to the Yahoo group server) so it was rejected because I was not a 

member of FFL and couldn't post messages.

 

I think everyone on the "anti" side is rather distressed right now, 

due to the increased publicity on TM, and the ongoing Invicible 

America project, not to mention that pundits are finally arriving. 

Aside from MMY allegedly not keeping his dick in his dhoti, they have 

little to bash the TMO about these days, so they take it out on TM 

supporters that dare show their faces.

 

Ah well, even so, Paul Mason found FFL too pro-TM so he high-tailed 

it back to the TMFree blog, so I guess one man's excessively-biased-

in-one-direction forum  can be perceived as excessively biased in the 

other, depending where you fall on the scale of bias.

 

Enjoy FFL and whatnot. Say hi and bye to everyone and explain what 

happened. I didn't leave without warning. You can even post this 

message to the group if you like.

 

Later,

 

Lawson

 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News

[llundrub]

Kick them both right the fuck off never to return. I like Barry. I feel
nothing for Judy. But neither has ever been anything less that selfish
newsgroup hogs and they deserve to be stuck into the internet filing cabinet
wherever that is. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:30 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:51 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News

 

Taking the risk of being seriously out of sync here, I am a fan of the
Turq - Judy debates. Two writers sparing real time and sometimes
about philosophy? It doesn't replace Bill Maher, but there has been
some really entertaining stuff and some good writing. Personally I
prefer when Judy is more tongue-in-cheek and less easily offended and
I prefer Turq's cultural reference weave to his serious Judy tweaking.
But none of that is my business. I don't care what drives it, I am a
fan. And at any time I can drop in on either side and get a few well
written responses that get me thinking or laughing or both.

So sorry to lay down such a heavy Kumbaya vibe on yo bitch asses, but
lets have more writing on any topic on FFL. That is what I am here for.

So Curtis, I respect you and your opinion. Do I need to intervene in any
way, as I have threatened to? Most people seem to want me to, and want the
Barry/Judy show to end or move elsewhere. Many have unsubscribed because of
it. What would you do in my shoes.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Breaking News

[llundrub]

How did that happen. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:41 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Breaking News

 

Hello,

 

This is an automated email message to let you know that sparaig
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> unsubscribed from your FairfieldLife group.

 

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Reward vs. Punishment: a different kind of moderation

[llundrub]

When it comes to moderation, the way it should be is this: people from FF or
with ties to FF only. The rest of you fuck off.



-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:47 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Reward vs. Punishment: a different kind of
moderation


Since the subject of moderation of this forum has 
come up, might I suggest a different *form* of
moderation, one that I have seen work on other
spiritual forums? It's a kind of "group moderation,"
one that definitely WORKS to keep the overall 
state of attention high and flaming to a minimum.

What it involves is the "feedback loop." In my 
opinion (and in the opinion of the other forums
on which I have seen this technique work), those
who spend a lot of time trying to provoke head-to-
head arguments or trying to insult or demonize 
other posters are -- bottom line -- seeking 
ATTENTION when they do so. 

Just don't give it to them.

The compulsion to argue, or to provoke controversy
is IMO a small s self phenomenon. What else "gets
off" on proving itself "right," or on arguing with
someone else? The small s self is seeking to 
*perpetuate* itself by constantly trying to stir 
up controversy, in which other small s selves will 
*interact* with it, and thus allow *both* small s 
selves to pretend for another few minutes that they 
exist, and are firmly in charge.

An alternative is just for people posting here to
be a little more mindful about the posts that they
reply to. What I'm suggesting is that if you run
into a post that strikes you as uplifting, positive,
funny, or that otherwise made your day, respond to
it by complimenting or agreeing with the poster who
made the uplifting post. Get into a discussion with
them.

When you encounter posts that you consider negative,
or insulting, or designed to start a fight, respond
by NOT RESPONDING. Period. Don't give the small s 
self that was so lonely that the only way it knew
how to interact with other human beings was to fight
with them *any* feedback -- leave it alone in the 
dark, waiting for a response that never comes. 
DON'T get into discussion with such people.

Think about it. This approach works equally well if
you are a TM critic or a TM True Believer. If Vaj
or Paul say something that you perceive as negative or
calculated  to start a fight, JUST DON'T FIGHT. If 
Judy or Peter K or Nablus say something that seems 
equally designed to be conflict-provoking, JUST 
DON'T RESPOND. 

The effectiveness of this approach is in its simplicity.
All we have to do is REWARD the behavior we consider
positive by giving it feedback, and NOT REWARD
the behavior we consider less than positive by giving
it NO feedback at all. No one needs to get drawn into 
any conflict they do not wish to participate in. No 
one has to get down and roll in the mud except those 
who obviously *like* rolling in the mud.

This is what I'm going to try to do. Others can do as
they please. My experience is that when forums have to
descend to having someone act as official "moderator," 
to fight the negativity, that's pretty much the end
of the forum. I'd hate to see that happen to FFL. But 
when the *members* of the forum just take it upon 
*themselves* to support the posts they deem positive 
via feedback, and to *not support* the posts they 
consider negative, via NO feedback, the negative 
situation tends to work itself out within a few short 
months. The compulsive flamers and arguers go somewhere
else to get their argument "fix," because they can't 
get it on a forum on which almost no one responds to 
their provocations.

Again, it's a simple formula, based on an age-old 
spiritual truth: "What you focus on you become."

If you want to become argumentation, focus on (and
respond to) the posts that are calculated to start an
argument. If you want to become harmony and positivity,
focus on (and respond to) only the posts that contain
those qualities.

Good luck.






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RE: [FairfieldLife] Google Alert - amritanandamayi

[llundrub]

I personally am for raising animal living conditions.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick 
Archer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:25 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Google Alert - amritanandamayi

 

An example of the kind of stuff Amma does. She was talking about this one time 
here in FF, but was too preoccupied with the tsunami, and couldn’t get to it. 
Now it appears she has. These farmers are committing suicide because they are 
owned by loan sharks, sometimes for generations.

 

Google News Alert for: amritanandamayi

Amma donates Rs200 cr   to 
curb farmer suicides
Daily News & Analysis - Mumbai,India
In the city to spread her message of peace and love, Mata Amritanandamayi or 
Amma has embraced the woeful lot of Maharashtras suicidal farmers. ...
 

 See all stories on this topic 

Maharashtra 

  CM seeks spiritual help
NDTV.com - New Delhi,India
A popular spiritual leader from the south, Mata Amritanandamayi, visited the CM 
on Thursday to discuss the issue of farmer suicides. ...
 

 See all stories on this topic  

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex

[llundrub]

If you know any 'chicks' who aren't sea hags ;)


You are unfortunately just 
> obsessed by the topic.
>

I think that is called being a guy. (and any chick I would care to
hang out with)




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RE: [FairfieldLife] fairfield after maharishi's death

[llundrub]

Naw, if FF lived due to being near something of natural value, then you all
would have seen how Hollywood vs. Beverly Hills was born, as all things.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:57 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] fairfield after maharishi's death

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:45 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] fairfield after maharishi's death

 

>From a friend who recently moved back to Fairfield I hear that the 
"true believers" have moved to Vedic City so Fairfield itself is more 
normal folks or "Sonoma in the cornfields" as I call it. :)

 I have heard that the MVC folks look down their noses at the MUM crowd, who
in turn look down their noses at those of us south of the tracks. But that's
a generalization of course.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex

[llundrub]

It's really true, MMY has shown us techniques for speeding enhanced
awareness, he can't do them for us. We are free to take as much or little,
in either the TMO or some allied organization. I know I have benefitted
greatly from Vedic techniques which MMY has touted, though not many of them
his at this point, that is besides the point, in the interdependence of all
things MMY's addition is Vedic and Impersonal. Vedic is to say God, and we
all know that pretty much every god fearing worshipper is somehow a total
hypocrite just as Jesus worshippers get blood lust whenever they hear of a
righteous war. Your God is the source of your bloodlust plain and simple,
and nothing else. Of course the problem is not the god but how the internal
interaction with God is self-filtered through human idiocy, and hence the
devas decome devils and Ahura Mazda becomes the asura. Because humans drink
tequila until they puke and then blame the tequila. Until one becomes a
tantric and it all just becomes calories.

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of jim_flanegin
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:53 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witness Chronology to the Sex

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Looking over this list now, how late did it run?  Evidently from 
the 
> > 1960's into the 1980's?  Any more names to add to the timeline?
> > 
> Yes. Joyce-Collin-Smith, who was MMY's personal secretary when he was
> based in London in the early and mid 60's wrote that MMY went from an
> essentially open door policy at the London center where he lived to
> "locking his door in the afternoons, closeted alone with one young
> woman or another. He had departed from the Holy Tradition of his
> Masters as worldly needs had gradually got a hold on him."
>
There's an interesting linkage that many people are making between 
what Maharishi has or has not done, and what that might mean relative 
to the knowledge that he has brought out. Did he have sex even though 
he says he doesn't? Did he covet money even though he claims to be a 
monk who owns nothing? Is he a power monger although he professes to 
love everyone? And the 500 pound gorilla in the room is the possible 
impact these ambiguities have on the knowledge he has taught and 
spread. Otherwise, who cares?

The cool thing about all this as I see it is that each of those 
sticking points- the sex, the money and the power- are all vague 
enough in their evidence and any definitive answers as to allow near 
endless debate on each topic, leaving the ultimate decision regarding 
the validity of the knowledge Maharishi has brought out to the world 
up to each of us. 

There is no foundation on which to base a decision save the enjoyment 
or not each of us feels relative to the knowledge Maharishi has 
brought out. By pondering the events in his life, it brings us closer 
to examining the knowledge he has brought out. If he had been perfect, 
without any taint of conflict in his life, perhaps those near him 
would not have dived so deeply into the knowledge he brought out. Who 
knows?

Maharishi has not only taught the technique of Transcendental 
Meditation, he IS Transcendental Meditation, literally. Talk about 
walking the talk. Pretty trippy stuff.




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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central U recruiting faculty for Sept 2007 semester

[llundrub]

--Looking at any previous MIU/TMO faculty/Alumni? Ex-TM Teacher, it is
assured that John as well will be cast off like a candy wrapper just as
everyone else, as soon as he is used up. In  TMO you're only as good as your
last meditation. When the technique wears off you're basically totally
fucked to the degree that it put a spell on you. (But one can actually say
these same things about everything, for example, one's job, which casts one
off when they cease to work, or ones lover, ones best friends even will cast
one off as soon as it's inconvenient, so for anything, you're as fucked as
the spell it put on you, in duality.)( In unity, that's a good thing as one
likes fucking.)Should I put that is a unity chart for you. Fucking. Fucking
outrageous. In CC Two fuck. Brahman. One moves around within their own fuck,
so fuck them too. 

Kirk say, we all totally fucked, since not one of us not. 

Whatcha gonna do when that spell wears off?

All meaning is spontaneously self arising. 

Whatcha gonna do when the prop for your meaning runs out of steam? 

Should you save up meaning for the final day or should you let it all go? 

(Oh I'm so sorry for my language

-fuck me!)

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:29 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central U recruiting faculty for Sept 2007
semester

Hagelin could care less what happens in reality, as long he is the 
> star in his virtual world, and now he's got his own school of which 
> he is president, just like chubby over there in Fairfield.

Really,  I think you have to be concerned about John at this point.  
My thumbnail analysis:  He is approaching 60 yrs of age.  He doesn't 
have anything to show for his efforts, so he concocts this grandiose, 
over the top vision which has no chance of getting past the fantasy 
stage.  I say this because I know others who devoted their career 
building years with TMO, and now, having left the organization, they 
find themselves on the periphery of business or professional life, and 
they have a hard time dealing with it.

lurk
>





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Deepak Speaks

[llundrub]

Nah, I talked to Prudence once and she said the Beatles were whooping it up
while she was on the program hence the song. 

 

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On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:18 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Deepak Speaks

 

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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Deepak Speaks

 

In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:49:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Guru upset by Beatles' drug use


WORLD BRIEFINGS
By David Orr
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
March 6, 2006 

 

NEW DELHI -- The spat between the Beatles and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1968
became an instant pop legend as perhaps the most bitter breakup in the era
of free love. 
Now, after almost four decades of rumor and counter-rumor, a confidant
of both sides has gone public with revelations that could upset many of the
band's fans. 
Spiritualist and author Deepak Chopra, a former maharishi disciple and a
friend of the late George Harrison, has said that contrary to popular myth,
the row had nothing to do with charges that the maharishi made sexual
advances toward Mia Farrow, the actress and friend of the band. 

Presumably Deepak knows this because George Harrison told him. Otherwise,
how would he know? The Beatles were in Rishikesh in what, 1968? Deepak
didn't learn TM until 1980 or so. Anyway, the story John Lennon told was
quite different. Maharishi didn't want the Beatles to leave and tried to
talk them out of it. Also, Cynthia Lennon, in her book "A Twist of Lennon,"
said the Beatles were drug-free in Rishikesh. I think she would know better
than Deepak.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote

[llundrub]

That's what I always thought ;)

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:52 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote

llundrub wrote:
> Well it has to be said, this quote sums up my entire 
> attitude towards masturbation. 
> 
Very impressive Kirk.

> > "Curving back on my own nature I create again and again all this  
> > multitude of beings helpless under the regime of nature."
> >





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote

[llundrub]

Well it has to be said, this quote sums up my entire attitude towards
masturbation. 

-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:46 PM
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quote

Vaj wrote:
> Incidentally, that only a *fragment* of the entire verse. The entire  
> verse he renders:
> 
> "Curving back on my own nature I create again and again all this  
> multitude of beings helpless under the regime of nature."
>
"At the end of the millenium every material manifestation enters into
My nature, and at the beginning of another melllinium, by My potency I
again create."

'Bhagavad Gita As It Is'
Swami Bhaktivedanta Saraswati
page 454

P.S. I hope Jim and Pete aren't offended by my post - is it alright if
I dialog with Vaj just for a minute or two?




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