[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/12/06 4:23 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** All this would have some meaning if MMY had been served with a subpoena, but he was not served while visiting the USA. And foreign nationals do not have to respond to subpoenas from U.S. courts, so when he was living in Switzerland or Holland, etc., he did not have to respond even if served by a U.S. subpoena: See United States v. Samaniego: foreign nationals located outside the United States ... are beyond the subpoena power of the district court ... He was served during the Taste of Utopia course, or at least an attempt to do so was made. Charlie also talked about testifying in court and the judge thought he was M. Yogi and refered to him as 'Mr. Yogi'. This was after Maharishi told Charlie to go in his place. I don't know if there was a subpoena though. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tmforlife108
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:35:48 -
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
wrote:
Forwarded Message From: Mike Scozzari tm@ Date: Sat, 11 Feb
2006 17:26:47 -0800 To: Rick Archer rick@ Subject: TMO
Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
Hi Rick
If possible, please post on Fairfield life. This is the most
recentl letter i received from the TMO. According to one
attorney, it's mostly saber rattling.
Mike
I hope Mike has some good representation.
And a lot of money.
JohnY
As this situation draws in on Mike I think it is obvious that he is
making progress with his
attornies. I know he's been in S Florida for years and has
financial supporters like any
teacher in the field. You don't need to be wealthy to tackle the
threats of the TMO. Money
is not the issue here. Teachers like Mike feel like they have more
to loose by complying
with the requests we read in the TMO attorneys template letter. I
think a loss for Mike
would mean a loss for the teaching. The TMO would need to hire or
recruit an attorney in
Florida to do it's bidding. Attorneys from the other side would sue
for their expenses too.
I just received word here in California that the recert program is
out of money (what, you
thought the millionaire courses would bail them out!) and that
teachers were told by
administrators to keep all the money they collect for course fees.
They must charge
$2500 so it's still crazy. To my knowledge no recert teachers are
getting any salaries. I
think any intelligent judge would begin to see the goofy pattern and
realize the TMO is not
capable of taking care of it's employees, defending it's trademark
or proving it's non-
profits status, especially in light of the new Patriot Act re
transfer of funds abroad.
Daniel
I spoke to Mike about a year ago. He is very dedicated to the
teaching. I hope that he gets good representation if he needs it.
JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean the business will go into believership? a Believership so subtle and profound or there may be another round on the new Indian middle class JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: This web site is a delightful photo story of the celebration and trip to India for January 12th, put together by a Russian Purusha. There is running English translation http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, exactly? What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung on the wall in the background of a few photos, and his picture is the same size as and right next to that of Maharishi. He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head cheese over there. I get a strange vibe from that dude! Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where all the money was going. OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? Enron had nice buildings, too. Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of the TM movement will be able to be found. The rest will be mysteriously missing. And the True Believers will believe it transcended. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: This web site is a delightful photo story of the celebration and trip to India for January 12th, put together by a Russian Purusha. There is running English translation http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, exactly? What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung on the wall in the background of a few photos, and his picture is the same size as and right next to that of Maharishi. He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head cheese over there. I get a strange vibe from that dude! Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where all the money was going. OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? Enron had nice buildings, too. Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of the TM movement will be able to be found. The rest will be mysteriously missing. And the True Believers will believe it transcended. :-) Who has estimated the worth of the TMO BTW? Now there's a loaded question. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I was always uncomfortable using the phrase sold out to mean committed. Susan is sold out to the movement was a positive assessment of Susan's attitude, whereas in normal speech, to sell out means one has abandoned one's values. Freudian, no? Indeed. I'd forgotten that one. Probably just means that her cards are maxed and the house is mortgaged and she's trying to get on the next course ... :-() Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- bbrigante wrote: I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette by any means other than throwing it in the root beer tank In the case of AW root beer, that might *help* the flavor. I used to think that AW was pretty good until I tried Virgil's. Now you understand many posters here. They used to think that TM was pretty good until they tried another path or set of techniques. It's all about experience... Or lack of experience... Exactly. Those who have only tasted AW rootbeer are not qualified to comment on the quality of any other brand. If they had tasted the other brands and decided that they actually preferred AW, they would be. But to claim that AW is the best, never having tried any others, would be kinda laughable, n'est- ce pas? Do you begin to understand why those who have only tried one technique of meditation in their lives and yet who claim steadfastly that it's the best are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's actually pretty simple. ...and those that claim it is the best are, at best, fanatics. But one would have to virtually try each and every one of the literally thousands of meditation techniques on the face of Mother Earth and have each and every one of them scientifically validated to be able to say which one is the best...and then it would STILL be subjective to some degree. Nevertheless, I have no problem with people saying that TM is the easiest or the most practical technique because, demonstrably it is (or was before one had to become a cult member and spend $50,000 for Vastu living quarters). And I really don't have a problem with someone claiming it's the best if they define the best and then go on to showing statistics and research that validates that. It's not an approach that I would take and, indeed, I cringed whenever that was done by TMers. I've always taken the tact that MMY took (only that one time!) in Belgium in March 1974 when he said that you can practise 100 different techniques as long as you do TM twice a day. I'd like to hear about some other 'good' ones JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is better off than many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the Bush administration. When I read stuff like this about the Bush Administration, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. feste37, have you ever looked at the federal government budget? If you had you would know that the Bush Administration is spending MORE of our money than LESS...even on all the varied social programs and entitlement programs that the federal government doles out. It seems to me that you are buying into the stereotype of the Bush Administration as some sort of conservative cut-back-on-government right-wingers when they are the exact opposite...that's why many conservatives are so unhappy with them. We're now over $2.4 trillion in our annual spending as a federal government...WAY more than under Clinton. It's people like ME who want to cut back on all those social programs, NOT people like Bush. It always kills me that newspeak defines a 'cut' as a reduction in the rate of growth in the budget. Just another subtlety of the age of enlightenment, I guess. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: If the Maharishi has been blackmailed all these years theory is correct, then he's probably the prime culprit. I've never really heard that theory before. Manipulted yes, blackmailed that's new to me. JohnY I do not think MMy has been blackmailed or manipulated. I think he knew what he was doing when it cames to money. In the 60ths 50 % of all initiation fees was sent to India. You do not need to be psycic to figure out - that the money had do go into some bank-account that someone own. And I think that the only ones that he trusted was/ is his family. The whole thing has been / is family business. We thought that we - the TM-Teachers - was his family - we were not. Ingegerd We certainly aren't family - we aren't even officially teachers these days. I'm pretty sure that we'll never know were the money went. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded Message From: Mike Scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:26:47 -0800 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter? Hi Rick If possible, please post on Fairfield life. This is the most recentl letter i received from the TMO. According to one attorney, it's mostly saber rattling. Mike I hope Mike has some good representation. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? John, I usually appreciate your point of view here, but if you honestly believe that the US goal is to diminish violence in the world, you really owe it to yourself to download and watch a three-hour BBC series called The Power of Nightmares. It is available for download from: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares I will take a look. BTW, I didn't say 'the world' I said the lesser evil in the middle east. Just like I don't think that the TMO's motives are pure or presented clearly, US's aren't either but I don't think they are anywhere near as conspiritoral as all the hard lefties think they are. It's always amazed me that so many TB's and former TB's are so hard left in for a dime in for a dollar, I guess. I express a different point of view than is normally expressed here, and all of a sudden Jim labels me an ignorant waking state Kool-Aid drinker, sheesh. Actually Jim forgets that we share a whole background of similar TM experience. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. Maharishi's language these days seems to be slightly subtler and more elitist version of Oral Roberts fund raising techniques. Very disappointing, and quite an illusion shatterer. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: I will take a look. BTW, I didn't say 'the world' I said the lesser evil in the middle east. Just like I don't think that the TMO's motives are pure or presented clearly, US's aren't either but I don't think they are anywhere near as conspiritoral as all the hard lefties think they are. It's always amazed me that so many TB's and former TB's are so hard left in for a dime in for a dollar, I guess. I express a different point of view than is normally expressed here, and all of a sudden Jim labels me an ignorant waking state Kool-Aid drinker, sheesh. Actually Jim forgets that we share a whole background of similar TM experience. Hi John, I meant no personal labeling, or libeling for that matter. My point with the Kool-Aid remark was that sometimes we adopt points of view without thinking them through, echoing more what we have been told (or, really, bombarded with...). As to the 'ignorant waking state' comment, that wasn't meant to label you either. I was just stating the justification [for war] from the minds of those making such a decision. Thanks for bringing this up though. No offense meant to you. I know, Jim. I didn't take offense. I was exaggerating to make a point, just like I figured you were ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. Maharishi's language these days seems to be slightly subtler and more elitist version of Oral Roberts fund raising techniques. Very disappointing, and quite an illusion shatterer. JohnY I remember someone asking him a long time ago how he would accomplish his goal of enlightening the world, and he said something like, I will reproduce myself. And That is only possible if he first destroys any attachments to him. Down the path, down the path, down the path...cliff edge... I guess cutting those last attachments involves suing those aspiring maharishis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: This web site is a delightful photo story of the celebration and trip to India for January 12th, put together by a Russian Purusha. There is running English translation http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, exactly? What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung on the wall in the background of a few photos, and his picture is the same size as and right next to that of Maharishi. He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head cheese over there. I get a strange vibe from that dude! His name is on almost every board for each org that files tax returns. He's also on all the Indian TM sites that mix TM and business ventures. Yup it's a strange vibe. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting point--has M. ever submitted to an EEG? My understanding is that MMY is a strict vegetarian which means not only does he not eat meat, chicken or fish but that he doesn't eat eggs either... Charlie used to tell a funny story about MMY and ice cream. Maharishi would ask if there were eggs in the ice cream and Charlie would say. Nah... and M would go on eating (and Charlie would make a funny face) so maybe the eggs thang isn't true :-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: In Canada, you can have sex with a 14-year-old... Yeah, just like getting married at 14 in Iowa, South Carolina, and Connecticut with parental consent... And is that actually *worse* than waging war on people? Please deny that all kinds of atrocities, torture and rape are *not* occuring in Iraq... oh...right...just for the suspected terrorists... Huh? What's the logic of the segueway from age of consent to war? Personally, as an American, I find that waging unprovoked war on others to be so evil and corrupting an influence on the world, that these days it is damned hard to point fingers at any other country. Granted nobody is perfect, and yet what this country is doing is so horrible, so irredeemable, that other countries' behaviors truly pale in comparison. So, in my opinion, we should first get our own house in order before pointing out the errors of others. ...must be a Sat Yuga thang...;) Gee, Jim an awful lot of fuzzy relitivistic stuff there One man's evil is another man's duty or at least lesser of evil's. Let's see how it works out, statigically. JohnY I don't see the fuzz. This ability that many of us have these days to look at something so ugly and pointless as war and pronounce it as somehow strategic, or a sound solution, is beyond me. It is as close to pure evil as anything I can think of. I know a world war two vet who served in the Pacific as a Marine sniper. He had nightmares for *thirty years* nearly every night afterwards because of what he had been exposed to. And it isn't like there aren't alternatives...I proposed back in 2001 that we as a country embark on an alternative energy program with the same fervor as we had in the 60's to put a man on the moon. That would cool down the Middle East immeasurably. But now I see that this war isn't about oil. It is about bullying, and imposing our will on others, and showing the world that you can't push around the USA. Oh, and weapons testing. Can't forget the immoral weapons testing... So call it what you will. I call it Sin. I agree that the best way to settle the middle east would have been to get off of oil entirely, but that's not what has happened. Many things in the relative involve choosing the lesser evil, that's why it's relative. It's not about bullying either, we could do a far better job at that if that was the goal. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/9/06 1:47 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that MMY is a strict vegetarian which means not only does he not eat meat, chicken or fish but that he doesn't eat eggs either... Charlie used to tell a funny story about MMY and ice cream. Maharishi would ask if there were eggs in the ice cream and Charlie would say. Nah... and M would go on eating (and Charlie would make a funny face) so maybe the eggs thang isn't true :-) I was once handed a $50 by Johnny Gray and asked to run down to the restaurant in a Howard Johnson's hotel near JFK to buy MMY a grilled cheese sandwich and French fries. Undoubtedly the sandwich was grilled on a grill used to cook burgers all day and God knows what the fries were cooked in. Illusions are falling by the wayside ;-) Must be 'sin' ;-) Thanks for that, Rick ! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: I agree that the best way to settle the middle east would have been to get off of oil entirely, but that's not what has happened. Many things in the relative involve choosing the lesser evil, that's why it's relative. I don't get what you're saying. If you are implying that the option to get off oil was there, and ignored, and war chosen instead, how is war the 'lesser evil'? The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill vs to solve the problem. Since killing involves sin, whether you agree with it or not, it requires a strong karmic return. In other words, even if war is seen as a justifiable option, unfortunately the laws of cause and effect can't be bypassed. The violence will only be perpetuated. This is why it is such a sin to do this. This is the evil. Not only the act itself, but the miserable cycle of karma that it begets. It's not about bullying either, we could do a far better job at that if that was the goal. JohnY The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Divine in VC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/7/06 10:24 AM, markmeredith2002 at markmeredith@ wrote: Their living situation seems OK to me - what bothers me is the constant pressure to raise sponsorship funds and the social hierarchy that results, clearly distinguishing aristocratic rich ladies from the poor unfortunate lower classes. Sounds more like a Masterpiece Theatre presentation of 19th century London than a spiritual community. And MD is much more hierarchical than Purusha. The richer ladies actually have servants, which they euphemistically term assistants. These are other MD ladies with less money. +++So much for humility and being self suficient. Housing-? Dont we hear of many cases of people in the past who had good results living in caves? - and possibly with a poor vastu yet. They weren't $450,000,000 caves either ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rajas down the tube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From a friend: Just heard that the Raja project thang is going bankrupt. How long until we see 'Raja crowns' on Ebay? And who on earth would bid for them? Even with the crowns it must be a much tougher sell now A million here, a million there, pretty soon it adds up to real money. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.dci.dk/en/mtrl/tm.html 'The allegation that Maharishi is a scientist likewise forms part of the legend that TM has built up around him. He only studied for one or at the most two semesters at the Allahabad University, and never took any exams. He is in all respects self-taught, which is rather obvious for any critical reader of his writings. But precisely because his followers are not critical, he gets away with a host of absurdities.' Looks like a 'christian' deprogramming site, all kinds of twists and turns JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rajas down the tube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just heard that the Raja project thang is going bankrupt. How long until we see 'Raja crowns' on Ebay? And who on earth would bid for them? Even with the crowns it must be a much tougher sell now A million here, a million there, pretty soon it adds up to real money. Dr. Evil: Here's the plan. We get the warhead, and we hold the world ransomed for.One MILLION DOLLARS!! No.2: Ahem...Well, don't you think we should maybe ask for *more* than a million dollars? A million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money these days. Virtucon alone makes over nine billion dollars a year! Dr. Evil: Really? No.2: Mm-hmm. Dr. Evil: That's a number. Okay then. We hold the world ransom for.One hundred..BILLION DOLLARS!! Someone must have finally played this movie for Maharishi. In his latest bond scam, he's asking for ten TRILLION dollars, more than the combined GNP of most of Europe. :-) How many deeds were signed, and how many millions collected in this 'failed' project to bring slow enlightenment to the world? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: www.dci.dk/en/mtrl/tm.html 'The allegation that Maharishi is a scientist likewise forms part of the legend that TM has built up around him. He only studied for one or at the most two semesters at the Allahabad University, and never took any exams. He is in all respects self-taught, which is rather obvious for any critical reader of his writings. But precisely because his followers are not critical, he gets away with a host of absurdities.' Looks like a 'christian' deprogramming site, all kinds of twists and turns A Christian site, yes, but 'deprogramming?' Definitely not. See: http://www.dci.dk/en/mtrl/what.html Their stance is actually quite sane, given the source. That said, what about the question itself? Does *anyone* here know whether Maharishi spent more than a couple of years in his studies, whether he ever took exams, and thus whether widespread claims of him being a 'scientist' were ever true? I would suggest that if no one does, the actual point brought up by this website is a valid one, that he's gotten away with a host of absurdities because almost no one ever bothered to question what they were told. Yup, read that, maybe a bit subtler than most... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] F1 to H1 ---- WAS: some queries regarding MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, object_programmer object_programmer@ wrote: Hi, I have applied for MUM and they said I will be receving I-20 soon. I have some queires before taking up visa interview. After starting with MUM for how many months I have to be there in their campus. If I get a job soon will they allow to me start the job or there is specific time period to spend in MUM campus. If I start a job how about visa. I will be on F1 and how can we change to H1. Do we need to leave US and come back again on H1. The other thing is I visited this grouop - FairfieldLife. I was surprised to see the messages here. All talk about spritul things. Is MUM a temple or what. Do we have to pray in their ways. Durintg TM tecachings do we have to say some prays like 'OM..OM..' etc. Do we have to bow in front of somebody or pictures. Please clariy and thanks in advance. Regards, OP Welcome to the wonderful world of distortions. I would talk to the students, faculty and staff of MUM and to recent (within the past few years) graduates of MUM to find out what is going on there. The information you receive here will probably be completely distorted by the agendas and experiences of the people who bother to post here. Of course, *this* statement -- made by someone who as far as I know never attended MUM, characterizing the many people here who did, and who lived there for years -- has NO agenda, and is not attempting to misrepresent. :-) :-) :-) MY advice is to listen to all sides of the issue before you commit to going there. If you do, you will hear from some people who loved it and felt they benefitted from the experience, others who believe that they were lured into a full-blown cult, and yet others who take both sides. That is, they're more than willing to admit that MUM is basically a cult headquarters, but also willing to say that they benefitted from it. Bottom line is how YOU feel about what is said. Read everything you can and make your own decisions. He just wants to get a job and convert that F1 visa into an H1 visa. It may serve that end just fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: [Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Snoopy typing on his typewriter, It was a dark and stormy night.. is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel. Not quite. :-) Schultz was just paying homage to one of the most atrocious first lines of a novel in history: It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents--except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness. -- Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, Paul Clifford (1830) Notice that it's all one sentence. It inspired a contest that is really a hoot, the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest. The objective is to write the first sentence of the worst novels never printed. From the website: An international literary parody contest, the competition honors the memory (if not the reputation) of Victorian novelist Edward George Earl Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873). The goal of the contest is childishly simple: entrants are challenged to submit bad opening sentences to imaginary novels. Although best known for The Last Days of Pompeii (1834), which has been made into a movie three times, originating the expression the pen is mightier than the sword, and phrases like the great unwashed and the almighty dollar, Bulwer-Lytton opened his novel Paul Clifford (1830) with the immortal words that the Peanuts Beagle Snoopy plagiarized for years, It was a dark and stormy night. Find out more at: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/ Some examples from that website, the 2005 winners: 2005 Grand Winner: As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual Stromberg carburetors in his vintage Triumph Spitfire, highly functional yet pleasingly formed, perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for experienced hands, the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be inspected and adjusted as described in chapter seven of the shop manual. Dan McKay Fargo, ND Big Snip of really funny stuff ** Thanks for that - laugh out loud stuff, for sure! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? These suckers will believe anything. It was those very suckers (though I'd spell it 'seekers') who pressed Mr. M for this knowledge. It was their own impatience, yearning for Realization, and lack of confidence in themselves that drew out this Vedic oriented knowledge, which some of them become unbalanced about. In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves. (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students. Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. Me too. Also shows the value of discrimination, and dare I say - judgement in the 'unfolding' of awareness. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalonmania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a way to make *everything* about you. That's what he was doing; he wasn't really owning up to making any mistakes. Like the ice stalagmite that formed on his balcony. I thought that was a 'Shiva Lingum' :-) The Self is beyond the law (of Karma) but the consequences of action isn't. Ask Jesus Christ or Krishna. Or is aging, health problems, and death an illusion on their own level? If you define 'mistakes' as action which overshadows the Self, then maybe the definition of enlightenment holds up, but reaction in the field of karma still functions. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalonmania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a way to make *everything* about you. That's what he was doing; he wasn't really owning up to making any mistakes. Like the ice stalagmite that formed on his balcony. I thought that was a 'Shiva Lingum' :-) The Self is beyond the law (of Karma) but the consequences of action isn't. Ask Jesus Christ or Krishna. Or is aging, health problems, and death an illusion on their own level? If you define 'mistakes' as action which overshadows the Self, then maybe the definition of enlightenment holds up, but reaction in the field of karma still functions. I think MMY's definition of mistakes in this context is that which prevents or slows further growth towards higher states of consciousness, not just that which overshadows the Self. That works too, just doesn't have anything to do with ethical or moral 'mistakes'. I mean no'thing' can or does overshadow the Self, you just don't know that until you know that ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only 340 took the course. The TMO is guilty of not providing any job security and therefore can not be relied upon as a valid employer - and the organization has demonstrated it is not a responsible employer with a long history of promises never kept. This my legal advisors claim is a very important detail for a judge to have. This and another point that got truncated are interesting legal points. The TMO never directly supported any TM teacher in any way whatsoever. They provide the knowledge but give no material support and expect teachers to follow their dictates. I think the TMO has essentially zero legal ground to stand upon. I have a 3/4 video player and a wierd 8mm film loop player and lots of office supplies that had to be bought from the movement JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/06 10:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip 8. MANY SPECIALIZED TASKS PLEASE STOP AT 11A FOR ASSIGNMENTS. All of you Sudras get to work so these lady Brahmins don't have to lift a finger and get stressed out. SPECIALIZED TASKS ? Sudra John Yeah, that has to do with Item 6: Take that specialized trash off the floor, and especially put it in those specialized trash cans... Huh, I thought the specialized tasks would be a bit more, um, interesting than that... Such insolence Judy, no more advanced techniques for you! That's already been done. Made me wait all day, saying they could not verify that I was a meditator even though I had initiates in the group getting their advanced techniques. Finally MY initiator showed up, and they taught me last of three hundred or so ;-). Lesson learned - 'Never mention the word lawyer in a letter, if they owe you money.' Sudra John ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion etiquette guide
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: If you spill a stranger's drink by accident, it is good manners (and prudent) to offer to buy another, a section entitled Pubs advises. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/international/01letter.html Uh, this is called flaming in internet lingo. Though it reminds me that Newcastle Brown is an excellent beer! Quoting an article in the NY Times, usually considered to be the standard-setter in journalism, despite the Blair scandal etc., hardly qualifies as flaming ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming ). I'm not serious, of course, about the Brits being the only people who live low and deplorable lives -- it's the Kaliyuga, all countries are territories of evil -- but it is legitimate to remind people that life is lived at just about the lowest level possible without Mother Earth trying to shrug off her burden. MMY's characterization of the UK as scorpionland is just symbolic of the whole reason why he has made TM less accessible in every country except India (India is a mess, but it's the only country that can initiate the transition to a Sat Yuga level of orderliness). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Bob, Sometimes I really hope you're right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/06 10:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. TEAMS OF 2 TO WORK ON ORGANIZING THE REMAINING BUILDINGS INCLUDING UNWRAPPING AND ARRANGING FURNITURE, NEATLY STACKING BOXES IN THE LOBBY FOR EACH RESIDENT, MAKING BEDS, CREATING MEDITATION AREAS FOR EACH PERSON, SETTING UP BATHS AND FINAL CLEANING. 2. TEAMS TO MOVE, ORGANIZE AND PUT SHEETS ON FOAM 3. TEAMS TO SET UP DINING HALLS 4. TEAMS TO SET UP MEETING HALLS 5. TEAMS TO SET UP OFFICES 6. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO TAKE AWAY TRASH FROM ALL THE BUILDINGS. TRASH REMOVAL SHOULD CONTINUE ALL DAY. 7. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO DO FINAL MOVING OF FURNITURE AND BOXES THAT ARE IN THE WRONG BUILDINGS 8. MANY SPECIALIZED TASKS PLEASE STOP AT 11A FOR ASSIGNMENTS. All of you Sudras get to work so these lady Brahmins don't have to lift a finger and get stressed out. SPECIALIZED TASKS ? Sudra John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proper pronunciation of Buddha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOO-DA-HAH And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he is of low consciousness. If he says it with the three syllables distinctly enunciated -- BOO-DA-HAH -- then he is, of course, very highly evolved. Throw in an East-Asian accept and say it very quickly then you're probably an Avatar. It's like in the TM Movement: if you say MA-HA-Ri-SHI you are lowly evolved and should just be cleaning the floors of your local center. But...if you pronounce it MA-HAR-SHI then you are, of course, a long-time TMer who is personally close to and beloved of MMY and you are highly evolved. There are exceptions of course. Notably, Charlie Lutes. Not only did Charlie pronouce it MA-HA-RI-SHI, the son-of-a-gun threw in the article, to boot! Charlie always referred to him as THE MA-HA-RI- SHI which gave him a good-ole-boy rep who could still go into any board room in America and slap the back of any stogie-totin' CEO and, in the same breath, tell them he was now going to go off and close his eyes and silently repeat a mantra. ROTF! Shemp, Excellent! (Charlie was stealth subtle :) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. If they don't control all their own funds, I'd bet the movement makes a profit off them. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. --- Irmeli Mattsson wrote: There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was published in 2001. In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. These masks conceal the scheming egomaniacs beneath, who live by taking from others. I see a strong parallel between the Course in Miracles view of the ego and the small-S self we discuss around here. It's an artificial construct that masks a universal consciousness. --- Peter wrote: I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. I would think you'd have a hypothesis or two about this, based on your work. Just got that book, Patrick. :-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. Just got that book, Patrick. :-) JohnY Are you studying the Course, or thinking about it? Studying - one local group is 50% meditators. I've also had the opportunity to talk to Ken Wapnick a few times. CIM always stikes me as trancending through the intellect, sort of adviata in Christian terminology. Taught quite a few folks studying the course over the years. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Course in Miracles (was Sex For Salvation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: CIM always stikes me as trancending through the intellect, sort of adviata in Christian terminology. Perry describes the Course as like a verbal symphony. A theme comes in and changes shape, them another theme picks up and starts developing, then a third them comes up... Then you find yourself revisiting the first theme, only it's morphed into somethign that dovetails where the previous theme left off. Hardly anything the intellect can understand, which I guess is why it lets go and you transcend. But this is only what I've heard. I've only read *about* it. I haven't read the actual Course. The text is quite beautiful, and demands great focus. It introduces many startling ideas that arise out of the ruthless application of the knowlege of the separation of the Self from the relative. Shakes the foundations of the intellect. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/20/06 1:28:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe we, the US, supported the Mujahadien (Osama)against the Russians in Afganistan. Later many Mujahadien became Alkieda (sp?). JohnY Sort of. The Mujahaddin were lose knit groups that fought the soviets during their occupation of Afghanistan. OBL went to Afghanistan to join the Mujahaddin and fight Russians. We, the US , gave military and financial support to these groups until the war ended. Then our aid stopped and the Mujahaddin turned on each other. OBL had established relations with the Taliban that eventually took control of the country and the Taliban eventually hosted OBL and Al Qaida in their country. Thanks for the details. It's not at all unusual for the US to support a group temporarly that supports our interests. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: royal decree #21
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guruphiliac quotes king tony's royal decree #21 here: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ So what are the first 20 royal decrees about? Anyone have a link? I don't even know what *this* one is about. :-) It's nothing but a string of buzzwords and buzzphrases that don't mean a damned thing except to someone who has been brainwashed for years into thinking that they do mean something. I would suggest that this level of bullshit-slinging should smash the lingering hopes of many here that underneath it all King Tony might be sane and that better days might be in store for the TMO after Maharishi's death. I seriously doubt there are many here who have any such lingering hopes to be smashed, Barry, don't you? On the other hand, given that MMY is still alive, it's not clear why Tony's going along with the standard bull tells us anything about what he's going to do once MMY is gone. Barry: does that mean you be rejoining the TMO once MMY drops the body and Tony takes over the helms? Yeah, right. When Bevans fly. :-) Actually, there IS one scenario in which I would rejoin the TM movement. If it succeeded in raising 10 trillion dollars and agreed to give *all* of it to me, I'd gladly pretend to be part of the TMO again. It's not like I'd teach TM or attend any meetings or anything, but I'd agree to pay lip service to the TMO by keeping my mouth shut and not criticizing it. Meanwhile, I'd take the money and give it away to spiritual and charitable institutions *other* than the TMO. Every penny of it. The minute the money was gone, I'd be back to my old nagging, critical self again. I figure that being able to give 10 trillion bucks to people and organizations that *really* deserve it and that might actually do something to change the world in a positive way would be worth the sacrifice on my part. Heck, it might even get me laid...from what I hear around here, if the women of the TMO thought I had 10 trillion bucks, they'd be lining up to hop into bed with me. :-) Do I detect a bit of cynisism about ...WOMEN? (VBG - for the humor impaired) (How could you? It's so 'against natual law' and all that) Of Course you could just give that 10 trillion for the Lynch Foundation naw..never mind... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: royal decree #21
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figure that being able to give 10 trillion bucks to people and organizations that *really* deserve it and that might actually do something to change the world in a positive way would be worth the sacrifice on my part. Heck, it might even get me laid...from what I hear around here, if the women of the TMO thought I had 10 trillion bucks, they'd be lining up to hop into bed with me. :-) Do I detect a bit of cynisism about ...WOMEN? Only mercenary women. :-) (VBG - for the humor impaired) (How could you? It's so 'against natual law' and all that) Yeah, but since I believe that natural law is an enormous crock of shit and has no relationship to reality on any level, I don't think you can ask me to be that concerned about it. :-) Of Course you could just give that 10 trillion for the Lynch Foundation naw..never mind... That's a thought. How many people could they lynch for 10 trillion? ;-) The irony is too deep to follow - almost transcendental ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Loan for TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a while since I've done this, but my calculator is darn smart, so let's see what we get: Loan: US $2,500 Payment: $50/mo. Interest rates: Prime rate on 19 Jan 06: 7.25% Excellent credit: 7.25 + 0.375 = 7.63% Good credit: 7.25 + 2 = 9.25% Fair credit: 7.25 + 4 = 11.25% Term and total amount paid, assuming interest compounded monthly: Excellent credit: 61 months of payments for a total of $3,050 Good credit: 64 months for payments totaling $3,200 Fair credit: 68 months for a total of $3,400 I guess that's one way to keep people meditating regularly: remind them every month that they learned. CitiAssist, offered by Citybank, now provides educational loans for this 2-credit non-degree course entitled The Transcendental Meditation Program: Developing Total Brain Potential. The course tuition is $2,500 and CitiAssist requires a minimum payment of $50/month. This means the repayment will be completed in 5-6 years based on current rates. The rate floats with the prime rate, and depends on the credit status of the borrower (or co-signer if applicable). · excellent credit: prime + 0.375% · good: prime + 1.0-2.0% · fair: prime + 3.0-4.0% Since prime is now 7%, the current CitiAssist rate ranges from 7.375 to 11% If they learn the TM-Sidhi's Program, do they get frequent flier miles ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. My impression from the news is that the recent Osama Bin Laden audiotape first aired on al-Jazeera TV. Are you saying that al-Jazeera is a BushCo political tool? Alex +++ One site I was reading this week pointed out that Bin Lousey's operation was a US creation in the first place-have to look back a few administrations to find the details. It seems that sometimes the truth is so far fetched that you will have a hard time to get anyone to believe it. N. I believe we, the US, supported the Mujahadien (Osama)against the Russians in Afganistan. Later many Mujahadien became Alkieda (sp?). JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/06 4:02:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed JohnY What else could Haeglen do with his reputation? I tried to express this a few hundred messages upstream. It's always bothered me that these folks and many others eventually left. It's as if the vision did not hold as they saw it more clearly... That's been my experience, but it's been the middle tier of the org that drove me out. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management On March 24-26, a special event will take place at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa. Filmmaker David Lynch and Dr. John Hagelin will host a weekend of Consciousness, Creativity, and the Brain. This weekend was inspired by the enormous success of their recent appearances at universities on the east and west coasts. Please see http://lynchweekend.org for full details. What enormous success was that? The fact that they needed a philanthopic foundation to meet the financial requirement to simply learn TM? Ya, that's enormous... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. JohnY Far more than foibles, it's the corruption of a vision that was the driving force in many, many lives. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Many talented individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have found they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other organization that experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the organization's needs for full commitment to the organization's direction. FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I reflect on the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than MMY and the TMO have decided. Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the TMO as I ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes. I think about the ways of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his dogged insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's interests. Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond reproach by any measure. The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any idea or proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly having to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. I find scant evidence of others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to do the greatest good possible with what they have had to offer. So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and the TMO. Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally providing evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to offer the world for the greatest good possible ? You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. JohnY Far more than foibles, it's the corruption of a vision that was the driving force in many, many lives. JohnY I have initiated quite a few people, when it was difficult to do so. Sent many to the siddhis, a dozen to TTC, taught SCI, done radio and TV for TM and ran a TM center for quite a few years, many of those out of my own pocket when everyone else flew the coup. My accomplishments as far as the TMO are concerned speak for themselves. And I post in my own name JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha Sad Sacks...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/06 7:29:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This guy needs to get back on his medication. Sal On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:21 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: FWD: paste Dear friends in the world, You can't see 3/4 of the universe, yet without it, the 1/4 you can see, would disappear. You can't see us, but without us, you would disappear. No wonder Maharishi calls Purusha the body of Brahman. No wonder Maharishi calls Purusha is the best thing he's ever done. You heros in the world need Purusha and we need you, NOW, more than ever. Helping us will help you in everything you want to do. A dozen of us have only a few days left to raise our monthly donations and stay on Purusha. Please go to www.Purusha.org and give yourself and the world a boost. And please mention me as the person who inspired your donation. Thank you and all the best to you in 2006 and beyond. Jai Guru Dev, Oral Roberts had a better fund raising technique when he said I think the Lord is going to call me home if we don't raise enough money. Actually the letter clearly indicates that the money is more important than the people on the purusha program. Read carefully, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 10 $$$TRILLION????????????????????????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/06 8:16:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rap i heard from Haglan and the TM radio station was incredulous bordering on the insane..on Sunday 1/8. He said 2005 was a good year, the best in many for tragedies and crime and upset etc!! Didn't we have the tsunami and katrina and the huge earthquakes in MMY's home country and the illegal horrendous war in Iraq and the ongoing lies from our govt and so many severe tragedies, and about 32 wars around the world ---big snip--- Why not just teach TM at a reasonable $ and keep it simple? WHY Its become so sad and unbelievable now for many many years.Too bad. I love MMY since seeing him first in 1970 but geewhy can't we just help the world in a realistic way and by the way where's all the go?? Resort investments for the Mahesh family Man Come on!!! wake up! Its beyond sad..it may be criminal.. Jai whateverrw Hey, it's Kali Yuga! What do you expect? Unless that's wrong, too ;-) JohnY PS Sorry for the Spaigian answer, but what if it's not Kali Yuga? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/1/06 9:35 AM, mrsatva at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it got too weird for people, or what ? Probebly all the reasons why people are leaving the TMO... I have been thinking about it for quit some time now and I thing the main reasons are to many scratches in the heart. One of the biggest TMO problems: the way people treat eatch other. Yup. It's a movement full of people who care more about talking the talk than they do walking the walk. In fact, there is no perceived *value* in walking the walk, whereas there is for talking the talk. Good talkers get promoted into the movement hierarchy, whereas those who actually live quietly according to generally-accepted spiritual precepts get ignored or are cast off. I wonder how the TMO compares with other spiritual movements in terms of this problem. By example is ALWAYS what wins. Maharishi could talk and talk and talk forever ...--- and in fact has almost no sense of loyalty to those who have served him for years as TM teachers. - The loyalty stuff has always bothered me. It's nagged at me for a long time. When I saw how Maharishi treated those closest to him, (Charlie, Jerry, etc...) I knew something was 'rotten in Denmark'. Its a big cognitive disonance for a 'spiritual movement'. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/1/06 9:35 AM, mrsatva at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it got too weird for people, or what ? Probebly all the reasons why people are leaving the TMO... I have been thinking about it for quit some time now and I thing the main reasons are to many scratches in the heart. One of the biggest TMO problems: the way people treat eatch other. Yup. It's a movement full of people who care more about talking the talk than they do walking the walk. In fact, there is no perceived *value* in walking the walk, whereas there is for talking the talk. Good talkers get promoted into the movement hierarchy, whereas those who actually live quietly according to generally-accepted spiritual precepts get ignored or are cast off. I wonder how the TMO compares with other spiritual movements in terms of this problem. By example is ALWAYS what wins. Maharishi could talk and talk and talk forever ...--- and in fact has almost no sense of loyalty to those who have served him for years as TM teachers. - The loyalty stuff has always bothered me. It's nagged at me for a long time. When I saw how Maharishi treated those closest to him, (Charlie, Jerry, etc...) I knew something was 'rotten in Denmark'. Its a big cognitive disonance for a 'spiritual movement'. What's a bit odd about the current discussion of the TMO's perceived lack of spirituality is how judgmental it is. Aren't being spiritual and being judgmental mutually contradictory? There is a big difference between 'judgemental' and the ability to discriminate. I've always thought that it is an important ethical and spiritual principle not to use someone's ignorance against them. (You can see a lot of that in the current TMO.) A corrallary of love thy neighbor as thyself, I guess. The new age axiom about being non-judgemental kill's the basic ability of the mind to make evolutionary decisions. That's what it's there for... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/2/06 9:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different cultures define caring in different ways. The TMO's founder is Hindu, and charity work isn't always the top of the list for Hindus, I guess due to the reincarnation/karma thing. Amma's a Hindu, and it's at the top of her list. Karunamayi is a Hindu. She too sets up hospitals, schools, etc. Gandhi was a Hindu. The list goes on. Gandhi was influenced by the American Trancedentalists, Thoreau, and Emerson, etc..., And Christianity The Bhagavad Gita made a loop to the West and back ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/2/06 9:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different cultures define caring in different ways. The TMO's founder is Hindu, and charity work isn't always the top of the list for Hindus, I guess due to the reincarnation/karma thing. Amma's a Hindu, and it's at the top of her list. Karunamayi is a Hindu. She too sets up hospitals, schools, etc. Gandhi was a Hindu. The list goes on. Gandhi was influenced by the American Trancedentalists, Thoreau, and Emerson, etc..., And Christianity The Bhagavad Gita made a loop to the West and back ;-) JohnY make that Transcendentalists ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think teaching TM is a good thing, but when I think about the TMO I'm reminded of this quote from Jung: Hysterical self-deceivers... pretend to be seekers after God in order not to have to face the truth that they are ordinary egoists. Excellent quote ! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Denmark Wooow !! ( from the black list to heaven)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/1/06 9:35 AM, mrsatva at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it got too weird for people, or what ? Probebly all the reasons why people are leaving the TMO... I have been thinking about it for quit some time now and I thing the main reasons are to many scratches in the heart. One of the biggest TMO problems: the way people treat eatch other. I wonder how the TMO compares with other spiritual movements in terms of this problem. There are plenty of sweet people in the movement, and plenty of jerks who hopefully are getting sweeter, but it's been a long haul. If the TMO is worse than average, why is that? Maharishi has given plenty of lip service to speak the sweet truth and the world is my family, but does he treat the people around him that way and does he inspire his followers to do the same? If so, is his inspiration explicit or by example? Or, on the other hand, are people treated like expendable commodities, to be discarded if they become ill, run out of money, become too independent in their thinking, get eclipsed by someone with skills exceeding theirs, etc? Is that any different than the way a corporation functions? Should it be? For some reason, I felt like writing this as a series of questions. I think each question could be answered with examples both pro and con, so we would have to look at what the predominant tendency has been. I don't feel like spouting glib answers at the moment. I guess everyone draws their own conclusions, based on their experience, and acts accordingly. As you say, in Germany, most have left. Unless there is some hidden activity, I think it's probably correct to say that, EVERYWHERE, most have left. Not just in Germany. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mention of new night technique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a steal. I wonder if there's a money-back gurantee if it doesn't work. Sal On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Vaj wrote: The Maharishi Vedic Vibration consultations fees in the U.S. are: $900 for each standard disorder. Payment is by credit card only (Visa, MC, Discover or American Express). NOTE: First-time consultations for Cancer, Paralysis and Full-body Whiplash require 12 sessions - $3,600 for the non-standard 12-session consultation for one disorder. I wonder if 'full body whiplash' is related to what happens when hear the price? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: paying off the Spanish officials to get him out. Par for the course during that time. Why do you think it was so easy to pay off the Spanish officials? It was the common thing to do. I think that the point about questionable ethics and how pervasive they were in the TMO and how well the TBs learned them is made, thank you... You were involved in transporting money in and out of Spain during that time? I thought I made it clear that I was *not* involved with smuggling cash for the TM movement. My comment was about your statement, It was the common thing to do. When a person is reduced to using that argu- ment, the question of whether they have ethics or not is pretty much settled. Just to clarify, this isn't a statement about you per se but about the nature of ethics. IMO, unethical behavior is almost *defined* by the use of It's just how things are done, or Everybody does it or They do it, too. Ethics are about doing the right thing no matter what anyone else does. Heh. But if everyone else does it, is it unethical, by definition? Barry, Even though my ethics prof practiced TM (1972) (and had a PHDivinity..) he even managed to teach me enough to understand this... :-) JohnY (miss his philosophy classes too..) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/27/05 1:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually do perceive the deity associated with your mantra. Wow. Then that kinda confirms my experience which I related in another post... He also said that eventually your mantra goes on perpetually, whether or not you're meditating. Reminds me of something Irmeli described. Began to notice that on TTC in 1976. Tried to ask about it. Course leaders didn't have a clue. Later I heard Charlie Lutes talk about it. Ramana Maharishi mentions it and quotes Namadev about it. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 6:55 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an evangelical Christian: http://www.alternet.org/story/18378/ ) was clearly an enemy of the TMO, so it's not much of a stretch to understand that he probably ordered the CIA to keep an eye on or destabilize the movement -- the CIA does what the Prez wants, from invading Cuba in the Bay of Pigs to destabilizing Chile, and Carter's animus towards the TMO is documented well enough in his meeting with Maharishi in the Georgia governor's office. According to Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, who had a close friend in Carter's inner circle, he vowed privately while campaigning that if elected, he would do everything in his power to thwart the TMO. Margaret was married to the playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker) and was a psychiatrist who often spoke at TM conferences in the 70's. *** Gibson wrote that book A season in Heaven about his experiences on a TM teacher course: http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_095/TECH_V095_S0087_P008.txt A Season in Heaven, William Gibson, Atheneum, 1974, 182 pages, $6.95 William Gibson subtitles his work, being the log of an expedition after that legendary beast, cosmic consciousness, Within that subtitle lie both the strength and the weakness of the book. A Season in Heaven is well described as a log. It is a thorough description of the events, and more importantly of Gibson's reflections on those events, during his stay at Maharishi International University in Spain. He had come to Spain with his 'family to' visit his son studying Transcendental Meditation under the Maharishi; and he decided to stay and study himself. Have that book, good read. Interesting to see the changes in atmosphere on TTC's over time. He talks about courses 2 years before mine. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/25/05 1:08 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trailors have been sold? TOny's house was sold? No, just never used for their stated purposes. Vedaland was supposed to be paid for by for-profit investors. Did THEY get ripped off also? Did they see a return on their investment? Did they loose their investment? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/24/05 11:24:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they were making any money (not even a killing) you people would complain that they are capitalist pigs, and if they loose money you people will say they are a bunch of incompetent hippies. It is your nature to say these things no matter what. I predict, that if it is found that they did make a profit, then people here will harp on about how the movement is all about making money. OffWorld. An investment is an investment! You are supposed to make as much money as you can from an investment. I can't see anybody objecting to that unless they are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. My only objection to the TMO creating wealth schemes has been many are at the expense of the purpose of the organization in the first place. To get people practicing TM. Bingo - It's not the profit that's unethical, it's how the money is raised to make the original purchase. P.T. Branum, I mean, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice from Yahoo announcing maintenance on December 27th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! Groups will be performing critical database maintenance on Tuesday night, December 27th from 9:00 pm - 2:00 am Wednesday (California time). During that time 25% of groups will be offline. Messages sent to affected groups during that time will be queued and delivered once the groups are back online. I don't know if this is a Pall- related security measure. :) Or an un-security measure :( Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 10:06 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An investment is an investment! You are supposed to make as much money as you can from an investment. I can't see anybody objecting to that unless they are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. My only objection to the TMO creating wealth schemes has been many are at the expense of the purpose of the organization in the first place. To get people practicing TM. Bingo - It's not the profit that's unethical, it's how the money is raised to make the original purchase. I also think there's an ethical issue with what's done with the profit. There have been instances in which local donors' have bought a property, but all the funds have left the country when it was sold, and local donors have been told to buy another one. Yup, that's the real estate scam - Get the devoted locals to buy the property to support the next big plan. Promise financial support, but never give it. The locals hang on, devotedly, starve and eventually leave. TMO gets control or keeps control. Wait, sell, profit! It's happened over and over again. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 10:06 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An investment is an investment! You are supposed to make as much money as you can from an investment. I can't see anybody objecting to that unless they are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. My only objection to the TMO creating wealth schemes has been many are at the expense of the purpose of the organization in the first place. To get people practicing TM. Bingo - It's not the profit that's unethical, it's how the money is raised to make the original purchase. I also think there's an ethical issue with what's done with the profit. There have been instances in which local donors' have bought a property, but all the funds have left the country when it was sold, and local donors have been told to buy another one. Yup, that's the real estate scam - Get the devoted locals to buy the property to support the next big plan. Promise financial support, but never give it. The locals hang on, devotedly, starve and eventually leave. TMO gets control or keeps control. Wait, sell, profit! It's happened over and over again. JohnY Hotels, Ayeurvedic Spa's, Old Resorts, Centers, Organic Farmland, Houses for Tony, Land for centers, Veda-Land, Trailers for Pundits, etc., etc., etc.. Who needs meditators and courses. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas! And Happy Holidays to All. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Merry Christmas!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Merry Christmas! And Happy Holidays to All. JohnY Yes Merry Christmas -- even though Christ was most probably not born in Decemeber. Or in 0 BCE CE. And was totally jewish. Happy Ramadan Happy Hanukkah Happy Holi Happy anytime people put attention on the Divine. Happy Total Divinity EVERYWHERE! But with so much wonderous knowledge to uncover and cherish and share, isn't all this bickering of egos kind of silly? So much knowledge -- centuries to centuries So many myths to dispell -- or truth to uncover. Think how you want to spend your short life-energy: in ego wars, or true exploration That technology presents to you -- an unprecedented opportunity Don't you remember wishing in that cold, dark, wet cave, If only I could know, if only I could research And now you can But you choose to be absorbed in ego wars, Instead. How sad. Well better than trying to materialize Martha Stewart dreams of the Perfect Christmas. I guess. Your friend, Rocky Thanks, Rocky, I think. Honest, I just meant simply, Merry Christmas! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoo Ray!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FFL has been reassigned to the Spirituality category. This means that it can now be found through searches in Yahoo Groups, the RSS feed works again, etc. A wonderful member here found the right people at Yahoo and got it done. We¹ll divulge more details later if it is advisable. Well done. Yahoo! Oh, wait, nevermind ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet someplace, somewhere, there's a jivan mukta blazing in the brilliance of Brahman who would miserably fail this test. Just because someone's 'jivan mukta' also doesn't mean that you have to agree with them, follow them or approve of their actions either. JohnY --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html 1. States his or her own enlightenment: The wisest masters tend not to state their own enlightenment or perfection for they know that it is both unhelpful to themselves and to their students. The false teachers often make this claim because they have little else on offer to attract followers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the You're angry / No, I'm not thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] Now it is difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is being saved. So the Dream is Over, and the disappointment for many is huge and painful. I must be truely insane. I find the New and Improved TMO to be a wonderous thing and genuinely have more expectations for it than for the TMO of the Merv days. I don't know. I pretty much prefer the Merv days. Today, MMY and the TMO seem more like Jimmy Swaggart and Pat Robertson and Bechtel and FoxNews. I was following LB until he equated disillusionment with the TMO with disillusionment with 'evil' USA. I think 'evil' USA is actually another media myth. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the You're angry / No, I'm not thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] Now it is difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is being saved. So the Dream is Over, and the disappointment for many is huge and painful. I must be truely insane. I find the New and Improved TMO to be a wonderous thing and genuinely have more expectations for it than for the TMO of the Merv days. I don't know. I pretty much prefer the Merv days. Today, MMY and the TMO seem more like Jimmy Swaggart and Pat Robertson and Bechtel and FoxNews. I was following LB until he equated disillusionment with the TMO with disillusionment with 'evil' USA. I think 'evil' USA is actually another media myth. JohnY Needless to say, I do not expect or require people to agree with everything I post. With respect to the media myth, I think you have it exactly backwards. USA as the bastion of freedom and democracy is the media myth. One has only to see who owns the media to understand how this could be the case. Outside the USA, the Evil Empire view is currently almost universal. It has particularly floated to the surface with the current administration, coincidentally. The history of military adventurism and economic exploitation, the subvesion of foreign governments, etc, is well established, but it NOT generally explored in the mainstream media. More blatant recent developments regarding fraudulent elections and the subversions of our civil liberties are merely the more recent and obvious indicators of corporate fascism. Europeans, having had more experience with these things, tend to see us as naive barbarians. Most Americans, on the other hand, tend to be in denial about it. Those in the early stages of owning it tend to be angry and/or frightened. L B S Nothing complicated, I just think that on the whole the US has been more a positive than a negative force in world affairs and the 'evil' America thing is perpetuated by a press with an agenda of it's own. Those 'experienced' Europeans have had their collective bacon pulled from the fire by US barbarians quite a few times. And like Maharishi are rather ungrateful about it too, when it suits their purposes. As far as the TMO is concerned we're only a little evil but our cash is quite good. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the You're angry / No, I'm not thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] Now it is difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is being saved. So the Dream is Over, and the disappointment for many is huge and painful. I must be truely insane. I find the New and Improved TMO to be a wonderous thing and genuinely have more expectations for it than for the TMO of the Merv days. I don't know. I pretty much prefer the Merv days. Today, MMY and the TMO seem more like Jimmy Swaggart and Pat Robertson and Bechtel and FoxNews. I was following LB until he equated disillusionment with the TMO with disillusionment with 'evil' USA. I think 'evil' USA is actually another media myth. JohnY Needless to say, I do not expect or require people to agree with everything I post. With respect to the media myth, I think you have it exactly backwards. USA as the bastion of freedom and democracy is the media myth. One has only to see who owns the media to understand how this could be the case. Outside the USA, the Evil Empire view is currently almost universal. It has particularly floated to the surface with the current administration, coincidentally. The history of military adventurism and economic exploitation, the subvesion of foreign governments, etc, is well established, but it NOT generally explored in the mainstream media. More blatant recent developments regarding fraudulent elections and the subversions of our civil liberties are merely the more recent and obvious indicators of corporate fascism. Europeans, having had more experience with these things, tend to see us as naive barbarians. Most Americans, on the other hand, tend to be in denial about it. Those in the early stages of owning it tend to be angry and/or frightened. L B S Nothing complicated, I just think that on the whole the US has been more a positive than a negative force in world affairs and the 'evil' America thing is perpetuated by a press with an agenda of it's own. Those 'experienced' Europeans have had their collective bacon pulled from the fire by US barbarians quite a few times. And like Maharishi are rather ungrateful about it too, when it suits their purposes. As far as the TMO is concerned we're only a little evil but our cash is quite good. JohnY Again, I must politely disagree. The press rarely touches upon the inner dynamics of history or current events, and has in fact been skillfully manipulated to preserve the myth of Noble America. It takes time to put together a more accurate history and reading of current events, and one must draw on many sources that mainstream Americans almost never consult. What has happened within the past few years is just that the current administration has exacerbated the deeply-rooted fascist trends within this country and made it harder to deny them. Many decades of conditioning have to be overcome in order to see this. It is a painful process. Not everyone wants to do it. No problem. Life is short, but time will sort this question out for future historians. L B S We'll just have to agree to disagree then. The agument that you put forward sounds like a variation of the It's too subtle for you to see argument that the TMO uses all the time. I have a hard time digesting that one anymore. Each polarity inspires and invigorates it's opposite and can't survive with out it. A new balance will come out of the extremes of left and right, or maybe we'll transcend. ;) The blogosphere and talk radio are now readjusting the mainstream media and the public will be better informed because of it. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the You're angry / No, I'm not thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/19/05 10:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They can't really *admit* the lack of progress, because that would be off the program and would make it sound like they were doubting the all-holy teacher and tradition, but they're very *aware* of their own lack of progress. ESPECIALLY if someone comes around and talks about a basically normal, everyday experience of enlightenment, something that really *should* be normal and everyday in a real happening tradition. The people hearing this often get really, really, really, really PISSED OFF. I can attest to this bit, here in FF. Some people get really upset at the suggestion that people around town might actually be enlightened, or Awake, or whatever you want to call it. It threatens their belief structure. Probably because these so-called enlightened people seem so ordinary. That's why they are pejoritively labeled 'so-called enlightened'. (We wouldn't want people actually getting enlightened, now would we...) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing Rage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting to see that recently posters have used the suggestion that someone might be angry as a way of attempting to disgrace or belittle them. It is spiritual fascism to come on like this. Oh I should add,, IMHO When 'they' want to attempt the ultimate put down: sexually repressed, Republican (for using f**ck, no less..) What a hoot! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing Rage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd never thought about it before, but it seems to me as I read your question that satirical and passive- aggressive are virtually synonymous. There are other forms of passive-aggressive behavior, of course, but I'm not sure there's any such thing as satire that isn't passive-aggressive, by its very nature. I agree with you. Satire, by its very nature leans in the direction of passive-aggressive behavior. But when it crosses into sarcasm then it truly has become passive-aggressive. On the other hand, that wouldn't mean indulging in satire was necessarily a sign of some kind of psychopathology or personality disorder. Agreed. It's not neccessarily pathological. Good satire is hilarious and an effective way of confronting interpersonal/social problems in a certain context. I'll be interested to see what Peter has to say on this score. I may well be misunderstanding what he means by passive-aggressive. But from a literary rather than a purely psychological perspective, I think it may be an apt way to characterize satire. I think satire arises when there's a certain loss of one's voice. One is not being heard by another so you begin to satirize the very thing that prevents you from being heard. You don't take certain aspects of the other person/institution seriously and you mock these aspects. Legitimized governments never engage in satire, they are deadly seriousand their seriousness is open to satire. Sacasm though, is truly passive-aggressive and indicates that, for what ever reason, all civility is called-off and now we'll attempt to impugn another to remove any vestige of legitimacy they might have. eg. Effective satire: Search for a Queen for King Tony ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing Rage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2005, at 12:40 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: When 'they' want to attempt the ultimate put down: sexually repressed, Republican You mean there's a difference? :) Sal Just another way of clouding or avoiding discussion of any issue I guess. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pujas at less than $1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Matrix Monitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Hello, Saranam's new subscription service is a service where you can get all your pujas for fasting days. These will be performed individually in your name on Sashti, Amavasya, Purnima, Ekadesi, Pradosam, Sivarathri, Sankatahara Chaturthi and also during some festival days - approximately 14 to 15 pujas. These 15 pujas along with shipping will cost you just US $15.00 (approximately Rs.700). This works out to $1 per puja. As a special promotion for the month of December 2005, we will be offering these at a price of $9.99 per month if you order for a whole year. This means you get your pujas done for less than $0.70 per puja. To find more information, please visit: http://www.saranam.com/sub/ We're counting on your participation to make this a great success! Thanks very much, Warmly, -Mahesh Mohanan http://www.saranam.com/ Free market spiritual capitalism! Maybe the $11,000 yaga's time is limited JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Answers if you've got the cash! WAS A New Folder: Baseless Claims
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unc writes: bigest snippereion None of the reactions affect those of us who are merely Relating Our Stories terribly much. We're just Relating Our Stories. They're *ours*, man, not yours. Yours may *never* be like ours. Yours may be better. We (and I think I speak for a few people here) are content to just tell stories. How the audience around the campfire reacts to the stories is their business, not ours. Tom T Opinion: Amen Brother. If you don't like the story go get a different channel. Not my job to change your channel, prove it or figure it out. It is all just for fun. Stories have never been anything but fun. Enjoy, good storytelling and happy trails to you until we meet again.! It's just utterly fascinating to me how people who have been involved in the TM movement or other We've got the answers if you've got the cash spiritual movements get warped by that over the years. They tend to react to everything spiritual that they encounter as if someone is trying to sell them some- thing. And they tend to doubt the new thing as a default because not much that's been sold to them in the past has done much for them. Add to that the focus that Maharishi and TM have put on scientific verification of something (enlight- enment) that defies even *subjective* verification, and you've got a interesting mix -- people who profess to be seekers, but who have been programmed to automatically reject that which they seek. The TM movement or other We've got the answers if you've got the cash! Sounds right on the money to me! ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Howard Sterns' Unboundedness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'WE PLAYED DILDO GOLF, WE PLAYED WHEEL OF SEX, WE ARE THE LAST OF A DYING BREED. THIS IS A BIG MOMENT. WE BROKE EVERY RULE KNOWN TO RADIO AND MANKIND. THE GOVERNMENT SAYS CLEAN UP YOUR ACT, WE SAY NEVER.' http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=entertainmentNewsstoryid=2005-12-16T193346Z_01_KRA628036_RTRUKOC_0_US-MEDIA-STERN.xmlrpc=22 If yahoo uses an unintelligent scanner - the above would be enough to keep FFL in the adult catagory. How silly is that? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy and TorquiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got you all beat. It's Dennis and Margaret. You got me laughing with that one, Shemp. :-) I can't disagree -- Dennis is indeed a menace and have you *ever* encountered anyone in literature more uptight and anal retentive than Margaret? :-) But their 1961 Chevy Impala looks like a treat! http://www.roaminangelsinc.com/HTMLS/Chevy/LC61Dennis.html Flash from the past! I learned to drive in a car exactly like that. Looks like where the Corvair body style came from. Learned in a '53 Ford stick, tested in '65 Mustang auto ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: loans for TM- details- where to apply
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Sharalyn Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sharalyn Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:24:33 -0600 Subject: [Fairfield_Community_Kiosk] FW: loans for TM -- From: Bill Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:35:46 -0600 To: Sharalyn Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: loans for TM info on TM, and where the nearest TM center and TM teacher is located: http://www.mum.edu/tmcourse/ infor on the academic credit and loan for learning TM: http://tm.org/learn/where/index.html At 11:27 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote: Dear Friends, I have heard that there are loans available for starting TM. Can you please send info to me about it? Thanks, Sharalyn Harris Bill Christensen Director of Financial Aid Enrollment Center Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA 52557 (641) 472-1156 Next -The TM Master Card The REAL Co(s)mic Karmic Credit Card (The TM Master Card is a Service Mark of Maharishi Bank of India) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter writes: What strikes me as odd in these discussions is the degree of hostility. Why do people get so pissed-off if someone talks about some sort of Realization experience? Tom T opinion: It would appear that the self appointed Dogma/thought patrol has to have everything posted in the scientific method in triplicate. Any personal experience that doesn't follow that self appointed group's method is immediately jumped on as insubstantial, self aggrandizing and untrue. It appears that one is definitely guilty until one can prove ones innocence in triplicate with a fully certified scientific process that has been read and approved and published in at least three peer reviewed journals. Any post that does not follow the above rules of the self appointed thought/dogma patrol then are fair game for slash, burn and dump invective. From my side they can take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs whichever seems most appropriate. Getting pissed off keeps the boundries firmly in place. Historically we often kill our God-Men and lessen our guilt by worshipping them later. Inertia holds the boundries in place - it's a herd thing. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy, Just a few off the cuff comments to your thoughtful reply. Regardless of your (our) judgement of Maharishi's state of consciousness, how the teaching is manifested still has to be evaluated critically. Does it acomplish it's purpose? This is part process of life. I'm not sure we can say what its purpose is in a way that would enable us to do a critical evaluation. How would you define it? You'll find the same internal consistency in many of the more proment Adviatic, Dzochen, Course in Miracles, etc. teachers. And many have the same type of character flaws we talk about here. Sure. But internal consistency is just one of the criteria I was using. Most of us agree that TM has inspired benificial unfoldment of consciousness. When we see or come into contact with Maharishi we get a clearer reflection/experience of OUR own Self (Blazing Brahman is non-dual, afterall) We (both us and Maharishi) still have to work it out in the relative, no matter what the perspective on where or who or from what state of consciousness the teaching comes from. Yes, well said. Without meditators there is no movement, no TMO. JohnY Sure, the purpose of the teaching is to unfold enlightenment for the individual. Simple, if there is no or limited access to the teaching how can that happen. Maharishi has planted that seed very widely. Why should it stop now? Is the TMO fulfilling it's purpose now? Very difficult to say. Will it do so in the future? There certainly isn't any clear indication of that. The TMO is and has been violently contracting on itself. Burning many carefully build bridges along the way. Slowly and simply teaching all these years would have worked better, in my opinion, with much less bullshit. It's a reasonable perspective, but it isn't exactly the basis for an objective measurement of whether MMY's teaching is fulfilling its purpose. There are lots of ways to interpret what MMY is doing with the TMO now, some of which suggest that it will ultimately facilitate that purpose more than going slowly and simply. I've proposed one such: MMY wants to contract the movement and burn its bridges so that it can be handed over to King Tony in a nice, neat, self- contained package of unquestioned loyalty once MMY dies, which will allow Tony to take firm control and implement his own plans and ideas without a lot of controversy (or at least without as much as there would have been otherwise). In other words, the contraction now will make expansion easier once King Tony takes over. I have *no* idea if that's correct; obviously we'll have to wait and see. We have no idea yet what Tony will be like as the head of the movement, whether he'll take it and run with it or get all bogged down in trying (and inevitably failing) to be a second Maharishi. But I don't see anything that would rule out that interpretation, at any rate. There's more than one way to skin a cat; plus which, Unfathomable is the course of action. Who can say what Nature has in mind? Yup, that's one idea that makes some sense. Even that could be done without fraud. Other family run (ordinary/traditional) businesses do it, and without being unfathomable. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said Ayatolla Maharishi Yea, but who's the ayatollah of rock n rolla. lurk Hey Lurk - I didn't write that. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be a false image in some peoples eyes. The parallels are striking. What is Maharishi Vedic Science but Maharishi Creation Science--Creation Science with a different mask. The Christian Creation Science adherents will sometime point out the similarity to the Big Bang and Genesis. For The Mahesh Creation Science people it's the first word of the Rig Veda Agni as Hindu Quantum Cosmology. Similarly the first word of Genesis, Bereshith, is said to show the sequential unfolding of Creation. How different is Natural Law and it's caste system than a right-wing theocracy in this country which seeks to legalize millions of illegal aliens to create a new slave class for their republican corporate slave-mongers? Both are a right-wing political phenomena wedded with religion. It's odd. If Maharishi's so right-wing how come almost everyone connected with him in the West leans so far left? It's a strange thing. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY's personality is very much a product of his time and culture. It has nothing to do with anything cosmic. Blazing Brahman expresses itself through an aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years. Boy, I think this is an important point. Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it slightly differently and say, This is *how* Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through this particular aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years? I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make either of these two statements. But people tend to look at the *expression*, find it to be much less than what they think of as perfection in a relative sense, and on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized Brahman. Of course whether he has or hasn't is still one's individual take; it's just that the take shouldn't be based, it seems to me, on the perceived distance of the expression from what they would consider relative perfection. So what should it be based on?? I assume realized people and nonrealized people have different ways of evaluating MMY's state of consciousness. From my unrealized perspective, it's a combination of a gut hunch, and my awe at the depth, comprehensiveness, and internal consistency of his teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness (including its implementation in the TM technique), as well as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. It just doesn't seem possible to me that a person, no matter how brilliant their mind, could come up with such a teaching purely on an intellectual basis. It has to be coming from some basis in higher intuitive knowledge (or Knowledge, to distinguish it from intellectual knowledge). Of course, that's still based on a sense of how close MMY's expression comes to my idea of relative perfection, which is what I just said you shouldn't do. Now I'm trying to figure out on what basis I think evaluating his teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness is a more appropriate criterion on which to have an opinion of his realization, versus evaluating the sensibleness of his political and social pronouncements and what he's been doing with the TMO. Help me out here. They're both measuring what MMY expresses against a personal idea of relative perfection. Why should choosing one *type* of expression over another make a difference? Or are both approaches essentially absurd? Obviously I've gone off on something of a tangent here... The value of our interaction with him has nothing to do with the surface of this relationship. This surface always varies from guru to guru and is quite irrelevent to the transcendent value of the relationship. MMY doesn't give a damn about your personality. It is utterly irrelevent to your Realization. --- Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have received an email relating to a press conference in which MMY allegedly made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic. snip Judy, Just a few off the cuff comments to your thoughtful reply. Regardless of your (our) judgement of Maharishi's state of consciousness, how the teaching is manifested still has to be evaluated critically. Does it acomplish it's purpose? This is part process of life. You'll find the same internal consistency in many of the more proment Adviatic, Dzochen, Course in Miracles, etc. teachers. And many have the same type of character flaws we talk about here. Most of us agree that TM has inspired benificial unfoldment of consciousness. When we see or come into contact with Maharishi we get a clearer reflection/experience of OUR own Self (Blazing Brahman is non-dual, afterall) We (both us and Maharishi) still have to work it out in the relative, no matter what the perspective on where or who or from what state of consciousness the teaching comes from. Without meditators there is no movement, no TMO. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY's personality is very much a product of his time and culture. It has nothing to do with anything cosmic. Blazing Brahman expresses itself through an aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years. Boy, I think this is an important point. Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it slightly differently and say, This is *how* Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through this particular aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years? Yes, better stated your way. I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make either of these two statements. But people tend to look at the *expression*, find it to be much less than what they think of as perfection in a relative sense, and on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized Brahman. Agreed. If you're looking for relative perfection in a realized master, good luck! For example in a residential Art of Living course I took about a year ago with SSRS in residence, I was bothered by his casual manner in talking about funny stories from his ashram and people throwing themselves at his feet. He wasn't making fun of them or anything but was talking about the difficulty in walking around and how much time it took to go from one end of his ashram to another. Very funny, very cute story. But I was amazed at part of my own reaction. I wanted him to be more serious and aloof and not have the reaction he did. Just some silly relative ideal of what a guru should be. My attachment, my problem, not his. That's refreshing. It is rather funny after all. Especially for Westerners. That behavior is not really apart of our tradition. The couple of times that I have seen him, the vib was very good and it was interesting to see the birth and development of a major movement. Deja-vu all over again ;-) JohnY JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy, Just a few off the cuff comments to your thoughtful reply. Regardless of your (our) judgement of Maharishi's state of consciousness, how the teaching is manifested still has to be evaluated critically. Does it acomplish it's purpose? This is part process of life. I'm not sure we can say what its purpose is in a way that would enable us to do a critical evaluation. How would you define it? You'll find the same internal consistency in many of the more proment Adviatic, Dzochen, Course in Miracles, etc. teachers. And many have the same type of character flaws we talk about here. Sure. But internal consistency is just one of the criteria I was using. Most of us agree that TM has inspired benificial unfoldment of consciousness. When we see or come into contact with Maharishi we get a clearer reflection/experience of OUR own Self (Blazing Brahman is non-dual, afterall) We (both us and Maharishi) still have to work it out in the relative, no matter what the perspective on where or who or from what state of consciousness the teaching comes from. Yes, well said. Without meditators there is no movement, no TMO. JohnY Sure, the purpose of the teaching is to unfold enlightenment for the individual. Simple, if there is no or limited access to the teaching how can that happen. Maharishi has planted that seed very widely. Why should it stop now? Is the TMO fulfilling it's purpose now? Very difficult to say. Will it do so in the future? There certainly isn't any clear indication of that. The TMO is and has been violently contracting on itself. Burning many carefully build bridges along the way. Slowly and simply teaching all these years would have worked better, in my opinion, with much less bullshit. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New use for the Vedic City pundit-free trailer park?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: today's Fairfield Ledger on Vedic City plans: Johnson also suggested a retirement or assisted living facility, which he thought would bring a lot of people to the city. http://tinyurl.com/cjmae Possibly an old folks' home for TM teachers who have dedicated their lives to teaching, and now don't have a pot to piss in. Oh, but that wouldn't generate income for the TMO. Never mind. But they could fund raise for the 'MSV Old Teachers Home' and then sell the property and new buildings and start another project in India...oh, wait that's been done Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have mixed thoughts about the independent teacher in florida. I know from experience how challenging it is to run a local center, it requires tons of dedication. This guy has been doing that for decades apparently and his heart is invested. The new certifiables don't have that emotional investment in the community and may indeed be long gone from the area as soon as the NEXT BIG THING is announced in 4 months. I don't know how unrealistic he is, as mdg discussed, as he has a real job and does 7 steps in his spare time, teaching whoever happens to show up. What's he supposed to do - join up with the certifiables and make a presentation to the mayor on bulldozing downtown Miami in order to bring about world peace? OTOH I feel MMY has a right to destroy his mov't or at least the TM part of it if he wants, and a copyright is a copyright Do you actually think that it will take 4 months? (VBG). It may take even longer to get the next fund raising vehicle in place. The key phrase is: teaching whoever happens to show up. Is there any spirituality left in the TMO, or is it all just 'business', in the very loosest sense of the word? It's all very sad. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Actually I've seen the Rajas and Stuff stop interested folks from learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend a couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd bet that happens far more often than we know. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Larry Domash, Nick Marcie Wol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:32 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Tom T: I have a 20 minute video clip of Nick with Gangaji telling her how utterly simple IT is after 30+ years of seeking. IT was not like anything he had or ever could imagine. The joy he is experiencing seems to flow right off and out of the screen. Tom T It sounds like you might need to adjust the ananda setting on your TV Tom. But only after he sat down and began watching all of the chit on the channels he received... I was just checking to see if I had an ananda setting on my TV... chit is just chit after all Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Actually I've seen the Rajas and Stuff stop interested folks from learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend a couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd bet that happens far more often than we know. JohnY IF the Rajas stops them, anything would stop them. I actually think that the TMO doesn't really want to teach anyone in the West the TM Technique. The impossible contrast between the what they say and what they do seems to generate funds in an almost magical way. Obscure the reality, milk the true believers, prosper in real estate. It's unbelievable! We're so Deeevine, Our Actions are Soo Subtle. You Dunderheads just don't UnderSTAND! Oh, and by the way we do accept MasterCard and Visa (to promote World Peace, of course.) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: IAC Statement on Saddam Hussein's Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Let's put Saddam back in charge of his wonderful country and get on with the human drops from helicopters. There are just so, so many delicious ways to torture, maim and kill people! I thought that Saddam's use of wood chippers to change the minds of dissidents was particularly creative and enviromentally sensitive too That's stillnot documented, as far as I know. Ya I know...it's really hard to write stuff down when you're being ground into little pieces JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/11/05 3:03 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know that you want to aquiesce in advance, without any qualification, to imposing restrictions on posts here, Rick. That doesn't leave you with any wiggle room for negotiation. How about, If you would like to suggest changes in the group description or restrictions on posting language, I'll be happy to consider them? Don't make it too clearly a quid pro quo, and don't sound as though you're willing to rewrite the description and clamp down on members according to Yahoo's slightest whims (even if you would be if push came to shove). You're the aggrieved party here, and you're willing to make some concessions, but not to sell your soul--that's the impression you may want to try to convey, it seems to me. I've already sent it, so we'll see. The concessions I had in mind were along the lines of forbidding profanity. You would have to write f**k or s**t, which people usually do anyway. You have to watch those '**'. Especially in 'f**k'. I remember being called all sorts of things for doing th*t! (And I thought I was just being polite and following yahoo guidelines) JohnY (Rated VBG and Irony - for the humor impaired) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, I got all naked and greased-up, dimmened the lights and put on some cheesy 70's rock music in anticipation of FFL new category placement, but I can't find the naked pictures! What's an adult group for if not for the naked pictures? -P.S. What do you look like? Turn off that webcam! ;-) --- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK said he reads FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in because of its adult classification. Yea, I have a friend who reads FFL at the Library. Like I said, just figures. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: IAC Statement on Saddam Hussein's Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Let's put Saddam back in charge of his wonderful country and get on with the human drops from helicopters. There are just so, so many delicious ways to torture, maim and kill people! I thought that Saddam's use of wood chippers to change the minds of dissidents was particularly creative and enviromentally sensitive too That's stillnot documented, as far as I know. Ya I know...it's really hard to write stuff down when you're being ground into little pieces True, but the people watching/participating/etc could... I'm not saying it didn't happen, but where's the proof? Where's the testimony of someone who was there? Saddam's being tried for warcrimes that happened decades ago, not for these rumored attrocities. I've heard there's video. I don't want to see it. But I was really poking a little fun at your comment. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. About a year ago I had the opportunity to speak to Mike S. I admired his tenacity and the fact that he was teaching regularly. Four people a month is probably more than the re'certs are doing. I guess it all depends on whether you think the TMO should honor it's agreements with teachers or not. And whether the TM Organiztions should actually teach the TM technique or just raise money. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva-suutra of the day?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SS I 7: jaagratsvapnasuSuptabhede turyaabhogasaMbhavaH (jaagrat; svapna; suSupta-bhede turya-aabhoga-saMbhavaH) This is my own translation: In the gap (bhede) [between] waking (jaagrat), dreaming (svapna) [and] deep sleep (suSupta) is born (saMbhavaH = birth) enjoyment (aabhoga, also e.g. fullness) of the Transcendental Consciousness (turya = fourth). Does that make any sense? It does - thankyou. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
