Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, he was talking about SSRS. Re-Certified TM-governor Frank Lotz mentioned it. Here below From: frank lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) The Bigger Picture - Sri Sri. RaviShankar Maharishis commentary on ravi, the so called shankar: Sugar caned poison. He is from my point of view a bad imitator of our Divine Master His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, despite of all his (ravis) so called success, only superficial, not much lasting influence! Lets take recourse to Maharishis Vedic Tradition, whether you call me fanatic or not, thats the point! Râm Frank Lotz From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote:Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, "MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON." I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear.Kinda like McDonald's bitching about Burger King. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Hey man, remember, I have nothing to do with this. Some Charlie who calls himself re-certified governor, says it came from Maharishi himself. Some months back, some Charlie misunderstood my post and gave me a bloody nose with his insultomatic, the incident had made me nervous ever since. From: "Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank Godwe all know that now. Spending all that time with MMYfrom the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort ofimpact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, "MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON." Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
No problems Jason. I was reacting more to the knee-jerk comment by a TB who blindly follows any dictate of an authority figure. --- Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey man, remember, I have nothing to do with this. Some Charlie who calls himself re-certified governor, says it came from Maharishi himself. Some months back, some Charlie misunderstood my post and gave me a bloody nose with his insultomatic, the incident had made me nervous ever since. From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. For the record, the sweet poison warning goes at least as far back as 1998 and referred specifically to a hyperventilation-type breathing technique Shankar taught (called, I believe, Sudarshan Kriya). According to someone on alt.m.t who had spent time in Shankar's ashram in 1978, Shankar had only broken with the TMO fairly recently at the time the person was posting in 1994. He was said then not to be interested in starting a movement (and was known as Pundit Ravi Shankar; Sri Sri apparently came later). The point being that at the time MMY issued the sweet poison warning, probably around 1994, the TMO was still in full swing, and Shankar apparently did not pose any kind of major threat in terms of even starting a movement of his own, let alone one that could compete with the TMO. Perhaps MMY foresaw that he would do so, but that doesn't appear to have been evident at the time. In any case, contrary to Vaj's suggestion, the sweet poison warning about the hyperventilation technique is hardly a recent development. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. Kinda like McDonald's bitching about Burger King. The only difference is that the president of McDonalds and the president of Burger King are actually great friends and talk to each other privately. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. For the record, the sweet poison warning goes at least as far back as 1998 and referred specifically to a hyperventilation-type breathing technique Shankar taught (called, I believe, Sudarshan Kriya). According to someone on alt.m.t who had spent time in Shankar's ashram in 1978, Shankar had only broken with the TMO fairly recently at the time the person was posting in 1994. He was said then not to be interested in starting a movement (and was known as Pundit Ravi Shankar; Sri Sri apparently came later). The point being that at the time MMY issued the sweet poison warning, probably around 1994, the TMO was still in full swing, and Shankar apparently did not pose any kind of major threat in terms of even starting a movement of his own, let alone one that could compete with the TMO. Perhaps MMY foresaw that he would do so, but that doesn't appear to have been evident at the time. In any case, contrary to Vaj's suggestion, the sweet poison warning about the hyperventilation technique is hardly a recent development. Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader.Since none of this is dated or given a clear reference it's hard to tell what the actual comment was.M. has certainly had many comments leveled against him by other gurus as well, so this ain't real surprising behavior in the spiritual supermarket. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. For reference, in case anyone wants to read what Vaj said more carefully: -- On Nov 14, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Peter wrote: Yes, yes, it's all so true. SSRS is a fraud. Thank God we all know that now. Spending all that time with MMY from the age of 12 onwards must have had some sort of impact on him. IT IS SO TRUE THAT, MEDITATORS SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR SWEET POISON. [Vaj wrote:] I don't think that's the point. The point is it shows the extreme jealousy of M. who obviously can't deal with the loss of his movement to SSRS's now larger and more vital movement...so he puts SSRS down to his few remaining students. Not surprising, but not the greatest thing one would want to hear. Kinda like McDonald's bitching about Burger King. - Since none of this is dated or given a clear reference it's hard to tell what the actual comment was. The actual comment, referring to the hyperventilation technique, was sweet poison, and we know it was made prior to 1998, i.e., well before the TMO could be said to have been lost to Shankar's now larger and more vital movement or that it was a putdown of Shankar by MMY to MMY's few remaining students. As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO sometime not long prior to 1994, so the sweet poison warning would have had to have been issued at some point in between then and 1998. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 14, 2005, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. For reference, in case anyone wants to read what Vaj said more carefully: snipActually here's what I said:"I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify whothis comment was about, Chopra or SSRS?"Please try to read more carefully before commenting (or trying to cause arguments/trouble) Judy.Prems,Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. For reference, in case anyone wants to read what Vaj said more carefully: snip Actually here's what I said: Actually I quoted exactly what you said, just apparently from a different post than you were thinking of, although you gave no indication of which one you were referring to. I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? Please try to read more carefully before commenting (or trying to cause arguments/trouble) Judy. What makes you think I was trying to cause arguments or trouble, Vaj? Do the facts represent trouble as far as you're concerned? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if you may consider me as somehow arrogant, but I allow myself to tell you that I would like to open your eyes a little bit now. First of all I have already been an independent mind before, while and after having started with TM. My master is my master but he is not my mental guardian or nurse. I am a free man and not a mental slave. This as first preliminary vedic ideal to be mentioned and herewith postulated. Instead of asking, where Maharishi has been stating this or that the question would be much more intelligently raised by asking, how Maharishi would probably react in case you challenged his intellect by some tricky problematics. You may remember the commentary on the Bhagavadgita, where Maharishi described the necessity to challenge one's master in order to make him set free more knowledge. (By the way this challenge according to my opinion is not being taking place sufficiently by his disciples). Now after this introductory citation I come back to the main general point by whose solution your fundamental questioning of authority makes most of the consecutive doubtfully interposed questions at least formally obsolete. I myself took the opportunity to challenge Maharishi several times in my life in direct contact, in order to get the validation of that answer, which I have already been giving to myself through mere setting free of inherent CI (= Creative Intelligence). This is the self-evident purpose and result of this spiritual practice (self-unfolding in double sense of the word). In one case I brought my challenge to the peak point, because I dared to doubt about an old-established model even, which Maharishi had launched as one of his most fundamental ones. The reaction of the master gave me the proof that it was worth to herald him at such high esteem, because his answer was clear, modest and onepointed; I told him that the bubble-diagram must be wrong, because transcending according to the law of irreversability of processes in nature dictates the mind to walk in one direction only, and that is from Atman (point value of inifinity = smaller than the smallest) to Brahman (expanded value of infinity = bigger than the biggest). In fact smaller than the smallest is essentially the same as bigger than the biggest. This is the only reason, why the mind is enabled to transcend, that is to say just by rescuing itself in the most expanded value in order to be able to come back to the starting point of all manífestation. So I said to Maharishi, Transcending is a process of constant engrossment of the mantra until it reaches its most expanded value and such the mind alone can find back to its source. Without hesitation Maharishi agreed. It was in late summer 1979 at the Golden Hall at Seelisberg-Switzerland. He literrally said to me in presence of the audience: You are absolutely right in what you say. We just held this model as a working model for practical reasons only. So thinking by yourself is not only allowed but vital necessary, as already the great philosopher Immanuel Kant found out. His maxims of human thinking (= emancipation) were: 1. Think ! 2. Think by yourself ! 3. Think consecutively ! 4. Think up to the end ! Very often I have to doubt, whether meditators - in their tendency to regressive development - have ever come beyond stage 2. Whereas the majority of the population at average moves at least somwhere in between stage 2 and 3. A genuine spiritual seeker is expetced to range somewhere between thinking level 3 and 4. Maharishi has never taught to surrender in a non-critical manner. This are old-fashioned concepts out of the moth's chest of topsy-turby theories on Yoga, where constantly cause and effect got fatalistically turned upside down (best example: concentration is the input of meditation even though it is the output of the interaction of the three gunas in the mind (= samyama, which leads to the state of ekagrata parinama or constant flow of the mind in one thought (= what is meant by the real meaning of the word concentration). And this again is identical with the state of at least savikalpa-samadhi). Samadhi is by the way also a constant process and not a static state, the same way as diving is always going along with some effort to be able to stay underneath the surface and not a static notion, staying at one spot without further invested dynamics. Thank you for your comments, Hagen. What you have shared often seems to be missing in the various discussions here regarding Maharishi; that we should always 'seek' intelligently and vigorously, asking and challenging along the way. I agree with your assessment that this doesn't occur enough with Maharishi, and yet it is *absolutely vital* if the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Yes, he was talking about SSRS. Re-Certified TM-governor Frank Lotz mentioned it. Here below From: "frank lotz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) The Bigger Picture - Sri Sri. RaviShankar Maharishis commentary on "ravi", the so called shankar": "Sugar caned poison". He is from my point of view a bad imitator of our Divine Master His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, despite of all his (ravis") so called success, only superficial, not much lasting influence! Lets take recourse to Maharishis Vedic Tradition, whether you call me fanatic or not, thats the point! Râm Frank Lotz From: "Vaj" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify whothis comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 11:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? I tend to doubt that MMY would say anything good or bad about SSRS either. Paying attention to someone gives them strength afterall. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, he was talking about SSRS. Re-Certified TM-governor Frank Lotz mentioned it. Here below From: frank lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:37:46 +0100 (CET) The Bigger Picture - Sri Sri. RaviShankar Maharishis commentary on ravi, the so called shankar: Sugar caned poison. He is from my point of view a bad imitator of our Divine Master His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, despite of all his (ravis) so called success, only superficial, not much lasting influence! Lets take recourse to Maharishis Vedic Tradition, whether you call me fanatic or not, that's the point! Râm Frank Lotz Perhaps he DID say that about SSRS. It seems less-than worthwhile to bother responding to questions about former students, but o well. From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) I assumed he was talking about SSRS. Perhaps Jason can clarify who this comment was about, Chopra or SSRS? - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2005, at 9:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, a warning about a technique isn't the same as referring to SSRS himself as sweet poison, which was what I was questioning. As was I, but that might not have been obvious to a careless reader. Since none of this is dated or given a clear reference it's hard to tell what the actual comment was. M. has certainly had many comments leveled against him by other gurus as well, so this ain't real surprising behavior in the spiritual supermarket. Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, it seemed very strange that he would criticize SSRS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, it seemed very strange that he would criticize SSRS. I would see MMY and SSRS as having a much closer connection than MMY and Chopra. SSRS sees MMY as his guru. MMY saw SSRS when he was 12 when he visited a Brahmin school in India. MMY asked SSRS parents to have him stay with him. They agreed and SSRS was with MMY running the TMO in India for close to 20 years. SSRS has a room for MMY in his ashram in south India always ready for him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? Certainly, Chopra was far more visible in his interactions with Chopra for a good bit longer also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 11/14/05 11:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/14/05 2:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. I was just wondering at the claim since MMY has carefully refrained, as far as I know, from criticizing Chopra. If he won't criticize Chopra who was far closer to him emotionally than SSRS ever was, as far as I know, How could you have any idea which of them was closer to him emotionally? Certainly, Chopra was far more visible in his interactions with Chopra for a good bit longer also. Visible to you, but you don't know the full history of either of them. Also, public visibility does not necessarily equate with closeness of relationship. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
I completely disagree with your analys simply because TM isn't necessary repetition at all. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the guy MMY was propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the details of that whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip to India during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the Westerners. So Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began experimenting on half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this account from one of them). This seems to be mere speculation without argumentative basis. It is the same way typically mystifying circumstances as you are claiming them instead of as to have been the cause of Maharishi's decision. The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the Samyama-principle: Dharana (fixing), dhyana (gliding) and samadhi (landing). These three parameters (always) form the natural movement of the mind. The result is concentrating (ekagrata parinama). In TM you start with fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on dharana. Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the siddhis the fixing aspect is being put into the back-ground. Emphasis is on dhyana (coming back to the simplest form of awareness -= siddhi- instruction). By this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation = manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind. The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect came out when Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign in the UK in which one of the slogans was you can be one of the 99 if you can get one of your friends to be the one. Square root of 1% came out soon after the sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It was still Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded the research. Yes you think but you don't know it. And anyhow it would not have made any difference: In Science either theory precedes experience or vice versa. This is nothing unusual. Important is that later on theory and practice or the other way round have to match this or that way. In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was bandied about before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent countless hours discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was foisted on him by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots. Was there any harm in it ? He was tickled pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to get 10% of the world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't think this particular point has much to do with the failure of the movement. For sure he was looking for some more efficient formula. But this was just for principle reasons and has nothing to do with how many people were meant to be practicing TM. The failure of the movement is by the way its present success. 99% of the TM-Teachers all over the world have been leaving the movement. Many of them are still teaching. That is, what Maharishi wanted. Because it secured that the secret agents in the movement have no access anymore to destroy the movement. Their assumed success of having been destroying now had become a success for Maharishi to have made so many minds become independent, not anymore bound to the master. This is the lesson of freedom Maharishi taught to us. He is always one step ahead. The ideal of 10,000 or so at one place can grow now from the very grass root level. Once it has been established from there it will never be destroyable anymore. Maharishi 1979 in Seelisberg: I have to play a global game, which you may not understand, but which will prevent the movement from ultimate destruction. I have to keep the appearance of the movement ridiculous. Those who are able to think from the heart will yet join and be with us. It is now up to us to organize and realize this ideal step by step. Although the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable folks who were beginning to take it seriously. What should these folks have been taking more serious than the siddhis and scientific research on TM ? All this sounds a bit talkative from your end. In order to reach Kaivalya even the Karma Mimamsa Sutras and the Vedanta Sutras have to be practiced according to the Samyama-Principle. Only under these circumstances the Siddhis could unfold to full extent anyhow. Thanks Rick, for the History lesson, I needed it. At any rate, it really supports my contention that MMY has rested the entire welfare of the TMorg's success on these bogus studies!! There were no bogus studies, there were only bogus
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Yes you are one of those "progressive" ones, who
have understood all andset off for free flight in mere wide and
infinitespace:-). I wish and prayfor you that you are not ending up
in mere emptiness !
- Original Message -
From: "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:31
AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the
sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of
spinach...)
I completely disagree with your analys simply because TM isn't
necessary repetition at all. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen
J. Holtz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
wrote:The way I heard the
story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the guy MMY
was propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin
to keep the details of that whole
mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip to
India during the Fiuggi course, that he offer
something more to the Westerners. So
Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began
experimenting on half a dozen of the M-group
types around him (I got this account from one
of them). This seems to be mere
speculation without argumentative basis. It is the same
way typically mystifying circumstances as you are claiming them instead
of as "to have been the cause of Maharishi's decision".
The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the
Samyama-principle: Dharana ("fixing"), dhyana ("gliding") and
samadhi ("landing"). These three parameters (always) form
the natural movement of the mind. The result is
"concentrating" (ekagrata parinama). In TM you start with
fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on dharana.
Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the
siddhis the fixing aspect is being put into the
back-ground. Emphasis is on dhyana ("coming back to the
simplest form of awareness" -= siddhi- instruction). By
this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation =
manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind. The sidhis
didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect came out
when Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was
a campaign in the UK in
which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you
can get one of your
friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon
after the sidhis, and Domash or
Hagelin was physicist at that point. It was
still Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the
theory preceded the research. Yes you
think but you don't know it. And anyhow it would not have made any
difference: In Science either theory precedes experience or vice
versa. This is nothing unusual. Important is that later on
theory and practice or the other way round have to match
this or that way. In other words, the theory of 1% or
square root of 1% was bandied about
before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi
spent countless hours
discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was
foisted on him by cunning physicists. As
always, he was calling the shots. Was there any harm in it
? He was
tickled pink to get a theory that would absolve him
from having to get 10% of the
world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't
think this particular
point has much to do with the failure of the movement. For
sure he was looking for some more efficient formula. But this was just
for principle reasons and has nothing to do with how many people
were meant to be practicing TM.
The failure of the movement is by the way its present success. 99% of
the TM-Teachers all over the world have been leaving the movement.
Many of them are still teaching. That is, what Maharishi
wanted. Because it secured that the secret agents in the
movement have no access anymore to destroy the movement.
Their assumed success of having been destroying now had become a
success for Maharishi to have made so many minds become
independent, not anymore bound to the master. This is the lesson of
freedom Maharishi taught to us. He is always one step
ahead. The ideal of 10,000 or so at one place can grow
now from the very grass root level. Once it has been
established from there it will never be destroyable
anymore. Maharishi 1979 in Seelisberg: "I have to play a global game,
which you may not understand, but which will prevent the movement
from ultimate destruction. I have to keep the appearance
of the movement ridiculous. Those who are able to think
from the heart will yet join and be with us." It is now
up to us to organize and realize this ideal step by step.
Although the advent of the
sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable folks
who were beginning to take it
seriously. What should these folks have been taking
more serious than the siddhis and scientific research on
TM ? All this sounds a bit talkative from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Someone else wrote it, Vajranatha. Some Charlie who rarely posts
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:47:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote:
The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the Samyama-principle: Dharana ("fixing"), dhyana ("gliding") and samadhi ("landing"). These three parameters (always)form the naturalmovement of the mind. The result is "concentrating" (ekagrata parinama). In TM you start with fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on dharana. Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the siddhis the fixing aspect is being put into the back-ground. Emphasis is on dhyana ("coming back to the simplest form of awareness" -= siddhi-instruction). By this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation = manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind.
Siddhis, attainment of powers of all kinds, is a great
temptation in the life of an initiate. The danger in the pursuit of
siddhis is twofold:
1. At the slightest appearance of some hunch or some prediction coming through, and so forth, one begins to imagine himself as a siddha, an adept.
2. One becomes tied down to the desires for such powers and dreams of subtle ego. One might say, "Oh, if only 1 had the power to read others' minds I could help many more students." But deep inside the sub-conscious, there lurks the impurity which would not help the students but simply invade the privacy of their minds and derive from these invasions certain vicarious pleasures. Or one thinks, "If only 1 could predict which horse would win the lottery I could help my guru financially." One day I asked Swamiji,
"Why do you have to ask for funds! Why do you not simply buy a lottery ticket on a horse you know would win?" He told me quite sternly, "Don't you even think of that. Work honestly with your body. Work honestly to pay your karma and do not look or such easy ways out."
If one finds that special experiences or powers are coming one's way, the injunction is to conceal them carefully and not make your meditation group into a gossip club, every one vying with each other, everyone saying, "wait till you hear my experience!" The siddhis are not in fact any kind of attainments in the sense that they are additions to one's personality. According to the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, they are simply the unblocking of power. As one advances on the path of meditation one begins to sense the presence of these faculties within. There is a great temptation to sit by the wayside watching this beautiful scenery of siddhis and if one does not resist, the path and the goal are forgotten. The recent trend in certain meditation circles to popularize siddhis and to sell them for a certain fee, is highly frowned upon by the masters of the Himalayas.
-Pundit Usharbudh Arya, lineal holder of Patanjali YS tradition and expert on the practice and commentaries.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the Samyama-principle: Dharana (fixing), dhyana (gliding) and samadhi (landing). These three parameters (always) form the natural movement of the mind. The result is concentrating (ekagrata parinama). In TM you start with fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on dharana. Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the siddhis the fixing aspect is being put into the back-ground. Emphasis is on dhyana (coming back to the simplest form of awareness -= siddhi- instruction). By this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation = manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind. Siddhis, attainment of powers of all kinds, is a great temptation in the life of an initiate. The danger in the pursuit of siddhis is twofold: 1. At the slightest appearance of some hunch or some prediction coming through, and so forth, one begins to imagine himself as a siddha, an adept. 2. One becomes tied down to the desires for such powers and dreams of subtle ego. One might say, Oh, if only 1 had the power to read others' minds I could help many more students. But deep inside the sub-conscious, there lurks the impurity which would not help the students but simply invade the privacy of their minds and derive from these invasions certain vicarious pleasures. Or one thinks, If only 1 could predict which horse would win the lottery I could help my guru financially. One day I asked Swamiji, Why do you have to ask for funds! Why do you not simply buy a lottery ticket on a horse you know would win? He told me quite sternly, Don't you even think of that. Work honestly with your body. Work honestly to pay your karma and do not look or such easy ways out. If one finds that special experiences or powers are coming one's way, the injunction is to conceal them carefully and not make your meditation group into a gossip club, every one vying with each other, everyone saying, wait till you hear my experience! The siddhis are not in fact any kind of attainments in the sense that they are additions to one's personality. According to the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, they are simply the unblocking of power. As one advances on the path of meditation one begins to sense the presence of these faculties within. There is a great temptation to sit by the wayside watching this beautiful scenery of siddhis and if one does not resist, the path and the goal are forgotten. The recent trend in certain meditation circles to popularize siddhis and to sell them for a certain fee, is highly frowned upon by the masters of the Himalayas. -Pundit Usharbudh Arya, lineal holder of Patanjali YS tradition and expert on the practice and commentaries. And the Masters of the Himalayas, is so right. I had a lot of Sidhi experiences as a child and grown-up, living in silence in the forest - Years before I learned TM. And after I stopped with the TM-Sidhi-techniques, they are coming back in a natural way. All the expectations following the TM-Sidhi-teqniques - encouraged by MMY, was not good at all, from my point of view. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
The Himalayan masters have outdated ideas. Just a single guy manages to float in the air,.. John Hagelin will be the next president of United States of America. ---OriginalMessage-- From: "Ingegerd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:09:38 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) And the Masters of the Himalayas, is so right. I had a lot of "Sidhi experiences" as a child and grown-up, living in silence in the forest - Years before I learned TM. And after I stopped with the TM-Sidhi-techniques, they are coming back in a natural way. All the expectations following the TM-Sidhi-teqniques - encouraged by MMY, was not good at all, from my point of view. Ingegerd Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) on 11/13/05 11:19 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Himalayan masters have outdated ideas. Just a single guy manages to float in the air,.. John Hagelin will be the next president of United States of America. No, the fundamentalist Christians, who are a powerful voting block in this country, would go bananas and oppose him violently if necessary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/13/05 10:49 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. No, but TB's have gone so far as to spit on him in airports, or so I heard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/13/05 10:49 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Why does the TM-org rabidly criticise Deepak Chopra and Sri Sri. Ravishankar.?? TM-governors claim MMY called him Sugar- Caned poison.?? Duh. One word: competition. Falling mantra sales doesn't make M. happy. Isn't that obvious? Of course, it's also easy to rationalize it as some sort of cosmic scenario. I have NEVER heard anyone claim that MMY ever said anything ill about Chopra. No, but TB's have gone so far as to spit on him in airports, or so I heard. I'm not pleased with him, but I tend to bite my tongue when his name is mentioned. The son of his publicist was on PUrusha for years after he left the TMO. This implies that there wasnot an official stance against Chopra and associated, though the guy did sound a tad defensive when he said to me you know my Mom, I think. He audibly relaxed when I put two and two together and went Oh, Muriel? How is she doing? Havent talk to her in ages, blah blah... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
