[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
Rick, thanks for the forum. It is one of the gifts of the internet that made the internet personally useful in ways I never imagined possible. It's nice to connect with folks about TM and a million other subjects without having to necessarily be politically correct at local center. We have been able to express our concerns without that passive agressive behavior so many governors and teachers engage in. I firmly believe that being critical in a constructive manner is not going negative. All the best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
And then there is TAILS which is a TOR based Linux. Put it on a USB stick and boot up or even run it off a DVD. Fun stuff. On 07/19/2015 01:53 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Messages can always be deleted from the Yahoo archives. And, with Yahoo's anonymity system, user info appears to be in the header in encrypted form, so if something legally actionable were to be posted, I'm pretty sure the identity could be revealed with legal proceedings. By contrast, my group has a bring your own anonymity policy, and our one anonymous troll is using TOR, which is basically untraceable. Of course, there's nothing stopping a person from using TOR on FFL, so... ya posts online, ya takes yer chances. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I don't blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information about the security issues. That pretty much destroys any chance of being protected if someone goes after you online on one of these groups. Good to know. Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, it's a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off the anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the off-site archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. -JaiGuruMe! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
Curtis, That's well said. But all things must change. This forum has its own karma, and I'm willing to be a witness as to how this forum will evolve in the near future. For myself, I can't believe I've been here this long. Life goes on... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I don't blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information about the security issues. That pretty much destroys any chance of being protected if someone goes after you online on one of these groups. Good to know. Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, it's a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off the anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the off-site archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. -JaiGuruMe! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, it's a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off the anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the off-site archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. -JaiGuruMe! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times
Messages can always be deleted from the Yahoo archives. And, with Yahoo's anonymity system, user info appears to be in the header in encrypted form, so if something legally actionable were to be posted, I'm pretty sure the identity could be revealed with legal proceedings. By contrast, my group has a bring your own anonymity policy, and our one anonymous troll is using TOR, which is basically untraceable. Of course, there's nothing stopping a person from using TOR on FFL, so... ya posts online, ya takes yer chances. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I don't blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information about the security issues. That pretty much destroys any chance of being protected if someone goes after you online on one of these groups. Good to know. Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, it's a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off the anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the off-site archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. -JaiGuruMe! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to be part of it after these years. Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations. Come back and visit us anytime. JR Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not sure what all the fuss is about. Things change. People change. It's not like we don't have choices. Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), let me know. I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: ATTN RICK (was Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just for your information, Rick (on the rare chance that you're bothering to read this), how is Doug Hamilton acting any different here than the guy who tried some years back to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators by posting porn to it? The *intent* is clearly the same. Doug is now SO off the rails that he is asking people to write to Yahoo to complain about 'offenses' he's making up, and his clear desire is for them to bring ruin against the whole forum. In other words, this putz has decided that since people don't talk about the things he wants them to talk about, he's going to try to make sure that they don't get to talk at all. I feel for Doug, and am really sorry that he has developed mental illness. But I sure wish there was a way to keep him from imposing it on everyone else. You finally removed the guy who earlier revealed that his goal was to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators. Doug has just admitted that this is his goal, too. I agree, set him free before he cracks up completely. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye Ah, “Houston we've had a problem here”. We got a community problem with Yahoo! and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines. In style here, different from content, the endemic culture of bad behavior that has grown unchecked on FFL threatens the very existence of the whole community here. There is quite ample reason for Yahoo-groups to just unplug FFL as a yahoo-group if pressed. There are a number of writers here who chronically abuse the yahoo-groups guidelines methodically hurting others. A complaint to Yahoo could bring final ruin against the whole forum. Currently for instance, Salyavin808 employing 'degrading comments' in FFL#414409 the guy needs therapy, or at least some prozac... Or, “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” Turqouiseb writing anonymously, Doug (I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck any more), ..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” And certainly more example in iteration further below here.. Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten. in FairfieldLife Post #409764 Anartaxius threatens: “This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns: “..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725, Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Well, I could provide content to FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups and participate more on FFL if Rick would do more to protect people on his FFL list from the endemic unkindness that has taken it over. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa. Turqb writes: Ah, I see that folks over on The_Leak [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma ] must be bored with their lives again, because they're obsessing about FFL and about *ME* again. :-) … Bottom line as I see it is that the ones who are over on The_Leak still whining about how they were run off from FFL are trying to make it seem as if I won something that was never a battle to be won in the first place. I merely did what I've always done -- spoke my mind in as colorful and entertaining a fashion as I could manage In fairness: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2423 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2423?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma In FFL post #409895 Turquoiseb trots out a very personal slur using 'dementia' in further unkind ad hominem Salyavin808 continues in post # 409734 : “Talking of crazy are you aware you posted your reply to the wrong thread?” Yes, I am very aware of that. This issue rolls over to the moderation and ownership of FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. It is about your making personal slur, contrary to what is permissible under the Yahoo-groups guidelines: ..don't invade other people's privacy ..Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, ..don't threaten
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ATTN RICK (was Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye)
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just for your information, Rick (on the rare chance that you're bothering to read this), how is Doug Hamilton acting any different here than the guy who tried some years back to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators by posting porn to it? The *intent* is clearly the same. Doug is now SO off the rails that he is asking people to write to Yahoo to complain about 'offenses' he's making up, and his clear desire is for them to bring ruin against the whole forum. In other words, this putz has decided that since people don't talk about the things he wants them to talk about, he's going to try to make sure that they don't get to talk at all. I feel for Doug, and am really sorry that he has developed mental illness. But I sure wish there was a way to keep him from imposing it on everyone else. You finally removed the guy who earlier revealed that his goal was to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators. Doug has just admitted that this is his goal, too. I agree, set him free before he cracks up completely. I don't know about you, but I *have* set him free, in that I am never again going to read anything he posts again, much less reply to it. Same for Willytex, Steve, and over on The_Leak, Ann. Their Gotta *get* Barry and make him *pay* mentality is getting downright scary in its obsessiveness. I can't continue to feed it by interacting with them in any way. By depriving them of their perceived audience, maybe I can help them to actually develop lives and get over this silly shit. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye Ah,“Houston we've had a problem here”. We got a community problemwith Yahoo! and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines.Instyle here, different from content, the endemic culture of badbehavior that has grown unchecked on FFL threatens the very existenceof the whole community here. There is quite ample reason forYahoo-groups to just unplug FFL as a yahoo-group if pressed. Thereare a number of writers here who chronically abuse the yahoo-groupsguidelines methodically hurting others. A complaint to Yahoo couldbring final ruin against the whole forum. Currently for instance, Salyavin808 employing 'degrading comments' in FFL#414409theguy needs therapy, or at least some prozac... Or, “..anddon't invade other people's privacy.” Turqouiseb writinganonymously, Doug(I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck anymore), ..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” And certainly more example in iteration further below here.. Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten.in FairfieldLife Post #409764Anartaxius threatens:“This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns:“..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725,Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Well, I could provide content toFairfieldLife at yahoo-groups and participate more on FFL if Rickwould do more to protect people on his FFL list from the endemicunkindness that has taken it over.-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa. Turqb writes: Ah,I see that folks over on The_Leak[https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info] must be bored with their lives again, because they're obsessingabout FFL and about *ME* again. :-)… Bottomline as I see it is that the ones who are over on The_Leak stillwhining about how they were run off from FFL are tryingto make it seem as if I won something that was never abattle to be won in the first place. I merely did what I've alwaysdone -- spoke my mind in as colorful and entertaining a fashion as Icould manage In fairness: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2423 In FFL post #409895Turquoiseb trots out a very personal slur using 'dementia' in further unkind ad hominem Salyavin808 continues in post # 409734 :“Talking of crazy are you aware you posted your reply to the wrong thread?” Yes, I am very aware of that. This issue rolls over to the moderation and ownership of FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. It is about your making personal slur, contrary to what is permissible under the Yahoo-groups guidelines:..don't invade
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ATTN RICK (was Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I feel for Doug, and am really sorry that he has developed mental illness. But I sure wish there was a way to keep him from imposing it on everyone else. You finally removed the guy who earlier revealed that his goal was to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators. Doug has just admitted that this is his goal, too. I agree, set him free before he cracks up completely. I don't know about you, but I *have* set him free, in that I am never again going to read anything he posts again, much less reply to it. Same for Willytex, Steve, and over on The_Leak, Ann. Their Gotta *get* Barry and make him *pay* mentality is getting downright scary in its obsessiveness. I can't continue to feed it by interacting with them in any way. By depriving them of their perceived audience, maybe I can help them to actually develop lives and get over this silly shit. Ah, you know what they say: The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. I feel sorry for Doug too. He puts so much energy into this place but all of it wasted in a pointless and depressed rant about absolutely nothing. The others I don;t care about as they've no point to their existence here and should go somewhere else if they don't like it. Sheesh, if this place got overrun by, say, fundie Christians I'd be in my element for a good argument 01and would try and engage them at every opportunity. I wouldn't just sit their gainsaying everything everybody said or whining that people don't say what I want them to. If it didn't work out and it just got boring I'd go somewhere else, why are they so attached? Do they ever wonder? Do they have self awareness? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye Ah, “Houston we've had a problem here”. We got a community problem with Yahoo! and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines. In style here, different from content, the endemic culture of bad behavior that has grown unchecked on FFL threatens the very existence of the whole community here. There is quite ample reason for Yahoo-groups to just unplug FFL as a yahoo-group if pressed. There are a number of writers here who chronically abuse the yahoo-groups guidelines methodically hurting others. A complaint to Yahoo could bring final ruin against the whole forum. Currently for instance, Salyavin808 employing 'degrading comments' in FFL#414409 the guy needs therapy, or at least some prozac... Or, “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” Turqouiseb writing anonymously, Doug (I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck any more), ..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” And certainly more example in iteration further below here.. Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten. in FairfieldLife Post #409764 Anartaxius threatens: “This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns: “..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725, Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Well, I could provide content to FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups and participate more on FFL if Rick would do more to protect people on his FFL list from the endemic unkindness that has taken it over. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa. Turqb writes: Ah, I see that folks over on The_Leak [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma ] must be bored with their lives again, because they're obsessing about FFL and about *ME* again. :-) … Bottom line as I see it is that the ones who are over on The_Leak still whining about how they were run off from FFL are trying to make it seem as if I won something that was never a battle to be won in the first place. I merely did what I've always done -- spoke my mind in as colorful and entertaining a fashion as I could manage In fairness: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma https
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ATTN RICK (was Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye)
My friend Barry, what you don't realize is that people will comment on what they see as your obsessive behavior in the same way you comment, to the tune of 40 posts a week, on what you see as their obsessive behavior. It's not complicated. In a subsequent post, you talk about having a conversation with people. I'm sorry about this. Really, I am, but that struck as completely incongruous. You, having a conversation, a real give and take, with another person, or group of people. What I'd have to call that, is having good discipline in keeping your predominantly mean and judgmental side hidden from view. Try it here sometime. Cheers! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just for your information, Rick (on the rare chance that you're bothering to read this), how is Doug Hamilton acting any different here than the guy who tried some years back to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators by posting porn to it? The *intent* is clearly the same. Doug is now SO off the rails that he is asking people to write to Yahoo to complain about 'offenses' he's making up, and his clear desire is for them to bring ruin against the whole forum. In other words, this putz has decided that since people don't talk about the things he wants them to talk about, he's going to try to make sure that they don't get to talk at all. I feel for Doug, and am really sorry that he has developed mental illness. But I sure wish there was a way to keep him from imposing it on everyone else. You finally removed the guy who earlier revealed that his goal was to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators. Doug has just admitted that this is his goal, too. I agree, set him free before he cracks up completely. I don't know about you, but I *have* set him free, in that I am never again going to read anything he posts again, much less reply to it. Same for Willytex, Steve, and over on The_Leak, Ann. Their Gotta *get* Barry and make him *pay* mentality is getting downright scary in its obsessiveness. I can't continue to feed it by interacting with them in any way. By depriving them of their perceived audience, maybe I can help them to actually develop lives and get over this silly shit. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye Ah, “Houston we've had a problem here”. We got a community problem with Yahoo! and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines. In style here, different from content, the endemic culture of bad behavior that has grown unchecked on FFL threatens the very existence of the whole community here. There is quite ample reason for Yahoo-groups to just unplug FFL as a yahoo-group if pressed. There are a number of writers here who chronically abuse the yahoo-groups guidelines methodically hurting others. A complaint to Yahoo could bring final ruin against the whole forum. Currently for instance, Salyavin808 employing 'degrading comments' in FFL#414409 the guy needs therapy, or at least some prozac... Or, “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” Turqouiseb writing anonymously, Doug (I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck any more), ..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” And certainly more example in iteration further below here.. Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten. in FairfieldLife Post #409764 Anartaxius threatens: “This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns: “..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725, Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Well, I could provide content to FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups and participate more on FFL if Rick would do more to protect people on his FFL list from the endemic unkindness that has taken it over. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa. Turqb writes: Ah, I see that folks over on The_Leak [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma ] must be bored with their lives again, because they're obsessing about FFL and about *ME* again. :-) … Bottom line as I see
[FairfieldLife] Re: ATTN RICK (was Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye)
So, it's all about Doug, not about what you posted to the forum, that caused Jim and Ann to leave the group in disgust. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just for your information, Rick (on the rare chance that you're bothering to read this), how is Doug Hamilton acting any different here than the guy who tried some years back to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators by posting porn to it? The *intent* is clearly the same. Doug is now SO off the rails that he is asking people to write to Yahoo to complain about 'offenses' he's making up, and his clear desire is for them to bring ruin against the whole forum. In other words, this putz has decided that since people don't talk about the things he wants them to talk about, he's going to try to make sure that they don't get to talk at all. I feel for Doug, and am really sorry that he has developed mental illness. But I sure wish there was a way to keep him from imposing it on everyone else. You finally removed the guy who earlier revealed that his goal was to get Fairfield Life taken down by Yahoo administrators. Doug has just admitted that this is his goal, too. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye Ah, “Houston we've had a problem here”. We got a community problem with Yahoo! and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines. In style here, different from content, the endemic culture of bad behavior that has grown unchecked on FFL threatens the very existence of the whole community here. There is quite ample reason for Yahoo-groups to just unplug FFL as a yahoo-group if pressed. There are a number of writers here who chronically abuse the yahoo-groups guidelines methodically hurting others. A complaint to Yahoo could bring final ruin against the whole forum. Currently for instance, Salyavin808 employing 'degrading comments' in FFL#414409 the guy needs therapy, or at least some prozac... Or, “..and don't invade other people's privacy.” Turqouiseb writing anonymously, Doug (I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck any more), ..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.” And certainly more example in iteration further below here.. Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten. in FairfieldLife Post #409764 Anartaxius threatens: “This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns: “..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725, Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Well, I could provide content to FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups and participate more on FFL if Rick would do more to protect people on his FFL list from the endemic unkindness that has taken it over. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa. Turqb writes: Ah, I see that folks over on The_Leak [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma ] must be bored with their lives again, because they're obsessing about FFL and about *ME* again. :-) … Bottom line as I see it is that the ones who are over on The_Leak still whining about how they were run off from FFL are trying to make it seem as if I won something that was never a battle to be won in the first place. I merely did what I've always done -- spoke my mind in as colorful and entertaining a fashion as I could manage In fairness: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2407?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2423 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/2423?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma In FFL post #409895 Turquoiseb trots out a very personal slur using 'dementia' in further unkind ad hominem Salyavin808 continues in post # 409734 : “Talking of crazy are you aware you posted your reply to the wrong thread?” Yes, I am very aware of that. This issue rolls over to the moderation and ownership of FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. It is about your making personal slur, contrary to what is permissible under the Yahoo-groups guidelines: ..don't invade other people's privacy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
It kinda snuck up on me, too, Edg, and had to be explained to my by
Curtisdeltablues offline.
It seems he finally went over the top using Curtisdeltablues' real name while
saying nasty things about him that would have harmed his reputation and his
ability to find work in the real world, and Rick dumped him. But he also
deleted the thread of posts that Richard made dragging Curtisdeltablues' real
name through the dirt at the same time -- including the post in which he dumped
him -- so I missed it and it appears that you did, too.
I am suggesting that to be consistent Rick should do the same thing with Jim
Flanegin. *Including* deleting today's and yesterday's posts in which Jim
intentionally associates my name with pedophilia. The thing is, he's doing this
*after* having admitted yesterday that he doesn't believe I am a pedophile, so
the legal definitions of libel and slander have been met -- he is intentionally
lying to harm someone.
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 3:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in
legal trouble
Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
I think any concept should be harmlessly allowed to pass through almost any mind.unless the person willfully iterates the concept enough to begin to enliven other parts of the thought processes with a negative dynamic. I can have the three words, butt fucking babies, pass through without pushing my personality into pedophilia, but if I try to imagine the real world manifestations of such and re-play scenarios in my head, then, yeah, I could be growing the dark side in my personality. But who does this? Probably only true pedophiles have these kinds of daily exercises that can, over time, tilt a mind. I think pedophiles are damaged early in life -- not that they have DNA deep issues. Just a guess. Meanwhile, Jim seems to be way over the top; and as much as I'd like to see Barry scoured with steel wool, I think Jim's way wrong about this..maybe way way wrong in that he's projecting perhaps, and that brings validity to the question: should we ask Jim if he likes sex with babies? One thing's clear: It's easy to create a list of three word combos that would be so off-putting and offensive that everyone here would be complaining about the pictures being formed in their heads. But, if anyone read such a list purposely -- whose fault is it for the rise in negative emotions? Proof? Here see how many of these suggestions you can bear to process with your mind: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9zdph/worst_three_word_phrase_ever/ http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9zdph/worst_three_word_phrase_ever/ See? I read about three and I'm done -- don't need the pictures. You too, right? Jim seems to want to iterate one offensive concept. I gotta ask about the motivation behind that. And one thing about polyandry etc. IT'S SOCIAL -- ain't no mother gunna be so out of it that pedophilia is unnoticed. So I'm not worried.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
It was news to me too. Activity log shows Rick having booted and banned him on Dec 12 at 5:05pm. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- Barry is wetting his pants, can't find the Interpol phone #
Oh God! I think I've had enough absurdity for the day already. And, no, I did not click on that link duveyoung provided. Hail Mary, full of grace. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Funny how Cordozo, er, Curtis, stood up for Barry immediately. Great minds think alike, I guess.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : You know, I am willing to grant BW the benefit of the explanatory context for the three words that he put together. Curtis has explained this for him in a clear and concise manner; Alex understands this to be the case as well. I am also, interestingly enough, practicing the idea of being transparent, in the sense of allowing things to pass through one (after all, I do have a teenage daughter who rejects/opposes me right now in everything, no matter how compassionately I try and approach her) to reduce reactivity for one and for two, not lock in and get all obsessive about whatever it is, requiring a bunch of effort to let go at that point. However, I cannot even IMAGINE a conversation where those three words would cross my lips or fingertips ever, for any reason whatsoever. None - for no reason. Horrifying, they are. I would have thought, personally, that BW would have issued an apology for putting those three words on paper and subjecting those who read this forum to them. But no, he doubled down and tripled down and moved into a massive ego-driven response. Uck and more Uck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- Barry is wetting his pants, can't find the Interpol phone #
Funny how Cordozo, er, Curtis, stood up for Barry immediately. Great minds think alike, I guess.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : You know, I am willing to grant BW the benefit of the explanatory context for the three words that he put together. Curtis has explained this for him in a clear and concise manner; Alex understands this to be the case as well. I am also, interestingly enough, practicing the idea of being transparent, in the sense of allowing things to pass through one (after all, I do have a teenage daughter who rejects/opposes me right now in everything, no matter how compassionately I try and approach her) to reduce reactivity for one and for two, not lock in and get all obsessive about whatever it is, requiring a bunch of effort to let go at that point. However, I cannot even IMAGINE a conversation where those three words would cross my lips or fingertips ever, for any reason whatsoever. None - for no reason. Horrifying, they are. I would have thought, personally, that BW would have issued an apology for putting those three words on paper and subjecting those who read this forum to them. But no, he doubled down and tripled down and moved into a massive ego-driven response. Uck and more Uck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
You know, I am willing to grant BW the benefit of the explanatory context for the three words that he put together. Curtis has explained this for him in a clear and concise manner; Alex understands this to be the case as well. I am also, interestingly enough, practicing the idea of being transparent, in the sense of allowing things to pass through one (after all, I do have a teenage daughter who rejects/opposes me right now in everything, no matter how compassionately I try and approach her) to reduce reactivity for one and for two, not lock in and get all obsessive about whatever it is, requiring a bunch of effort to let go at that point. However, I cannot even IMAGINE a conversation where those three words would cross my lips or fingertips ever, for any reason whatsoever. None - for no reason. Horrifying, they are. I would have thought, personally, that BW would have issued an apology for putting those three words on paper and subjecting those who read this forum to them. But no, he doubled down and tripled down and moved into a massive ego-driven response. Uck and more Uck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened? Your absence at the leaving party was noted Edg, but we saved you some cake. Seriously though, I only noticed he was gone because all of a sudden I didn't have any tedious shit to scroll past. But I just assumed he'd realised the error of his ways and gone to 'The Peak' to be positive rather than waste any more of his one-and-only precious life trying to drag others down to his level. Rick has done him a big favour.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
as much as I'd like to see Barry scoured with steel wool
Edg, I gotta hand it to you, you do know how to turn a phrase.
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you
in legal trouble
I think any concept should be harmlessly allowed to pass through almost any
mind.unless the person willfully iterates the concept enough to begin to
enliven other parts of the thought processes with a negative dynamic.
I can have the three words, butt fucking babies, pass through without pushing
my personality into pedophilia, but if I try to imagine the real world
manifestations of such and re-play scenarios in my head, then, yeah, I could be
growing the dark side in my personality.
But who does this? Probably only true pedophiles have these kinds of daily
exercises that can, over time, tilt a mind. I think pedophiles are damaged
early in life -- not that they have DNA deep issues. Just a guess.
Meanwhile, Jim seems to be way over the top; and as much as I'd like to see
Barry scoured with steel wool, I think Jim's way wrong about this..maybe
way way wrong in that he's projecting perhaps, and that brings validity to the
question: should we ask Jim if he likes sex with babies?
One thing's clear: It's easy to create a list of three word combos that
would be so off-putting and offensive that everyone here would be complaining
about the pictures being formed in their heads. But, if anyone read such a
list purposely -- whose fault is it for the rise in negative emotions?
Proof? Here see how many of these suggestions you can bear to process with
your mind:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9zdph/worst_three_word_phrase_ever/
See? I read about three and I'm done -- don't need the pictures. You too,
right?
Jim seems to want to iterate one offensive concept. I gotta ask about the
motivation behind that.
And one thing about polyandry etc. IT'S SOCIAL -- ain't no mother gunna be so
out of it that pedophilia is unnoticed. So I'm not worried.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
I noticed his posts were no longer showing up in my trash bin - I just thought
my good karma was catching up to me.
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 10:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in
legal trouble
It was news to me too. Activity log shows Rick having booted and banned him on
Dec 12 at 5:05pm.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
God Bless You Mr Rosewater (sic) was published in 1965 so predates Kurt learning TM. As salyavin says the novel is Breakfast of Champions (1973). Here's a quote from the novel (warning: mantra info revealed!): When Bunny played the piano bar at the Holiday Inn, he had many, many secrets. One of them was this: he wasn’t really there. He was able to absent himself from the cocktail lounge, and from the planet itself, for that matter, by means of Transcendental Meditation. He learned this technique from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who once stopped off in Midland City during a world-wide lecture tour. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, in exchange for a new handkerchief, a piece of fruit, a bunch of flowers, and thirty-five dollars, taught Bunny to close his eyes, and to say this euphonious nonsense word to himself over and over again: “Aye-em, aye-em, aye-em.” Bunny sat on the edge of his bed in the hotel room now, and he did it. “Aye-em, aye-em”, he said to himself—internally. The rhythm of the chant matched one syllable with each two beats in his heart. He closed his eyes. He became a skin diver in the depths of his mind. The depths were seldom used. His heart slowed. His respiration nearly stopped. A single word floated by in the depths. It had somehow escaped from the busier parts of his mind. It wasn’t connected to anything. It floated by lazily, a translucent, scarf-like fish. The word was untroubling. Here was the word: “Blue.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not sure which novel. H. I think it was the book where Trout's son was a piano player who did TM and at some point someone's face got scraped bloody by being raked along a piano's keys. If I remember rightly, then there also was a very bad presentation of the TM technique...and maybe the son was shouting his mantra aloud at some point theredunno. But at the time I was a true believer, and that book put me off my feed as a Vonnegut fan. Might have been God Bless You Mr. Goldwater. I believe it was Breakfast of Champions, the character ended up getting beaten to death while meditating, clearly the concept of the Maharishi Effect hadn't been introduced yet ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy period in the life of the TMO. And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's novels (Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either of those. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not sure which novel. H. I think it was the book where Trout's son was a piano player who did TM and at some point someone's face got scraped bloody by being raked along a piano's keys. If I remember rightly, then there also was a very bad presentation of the TM technique...and maybe the son was shouting his mantra aloud at some point theredunno. But at the time I was a true believer, and that book put me off my feed as a Vonnegut fan. Might have been God Bless You Mr. Goldwater. I believe it was Breakfast of Champions, the character ended up getting beaten to death while meditating, clearly the concept of the Maharishi Effect hadn't been introduced yet ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy period in the life of the TMO. And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's novels (Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either of those. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
Glad you enjoyed it. Kurt is more well-known for his novels, but his short stories are often real gems, too. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke. I'm seriously impressed! That neat Vonnegut tale proves that great minds do think alike . . . The Edison line about his long search for the best electric-lamp filament reminds me of my favourite quote of his: “I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” That's actually quite a profound insight. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke. LOL In my more paranoid moods I've wondered if our pets - dogs and cats - are really the dominant species on Planet Earth and not humans. They don't have to go to work; we keep them warm and well-fed and ensure they get the best medical attention - all for free. They've got it sussed. Dogs probably pity us. Cats are more likely to regard us with contempt. If you've actually ever pondered this, then you have to read this wonderful short story by Kurt Vonnegut: http://tvtolstova.narod.ru/olderfiles/1/Shaggy20Dog.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010. Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Ps... A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010watch video. View on www.frequency.comPreview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy period in the life of the TMO. And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's novels (Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either of those. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
Not sure which novel. H. I think it was the book where Trout's son was a piano player who did TM and at some point someone's face got scraped bloody by being raked along a piano's keys. If I remember rightly, then there also was a very bad presentation of the TM technique...and maybe the son was shouting his mantra aloud at some point theredunno. But at the time I was a true believer, and that book put me off my feed as a Vonnegut fan. Might have been God Bless You Mr. Goldwater. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Thanks Buck in the Dome. That was new info for me. It sounds a high-energy period in the life of the TMO. And Duveyoung: what was the novel you refer to? I've read a couple of Kurt's novels (Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle) but the TM link isn't in either of those. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Ol' Kurt loved TM so much he wrote a novel in which a character learned TM, and Kurt DISCLOSED HIS MANTRA IN THE BOOK, and then that character proceeded to GO VIOLENTLY NUTS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
LOL In my more paranoid moods I've wondered if our pets - dogs and cats - are really the dominant species on Planet Earth and not humans. They don't have to go to work; we keep them warm and well-fed and ensure they get the best medical attention - all for free. They've got it sussed. Dogs probably pity us. Cats are more likely to regard us with contempt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010. http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Ps... http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010watch video. View on www.frequency.com http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 Preview by Yahoo
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From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke. LOL In my more paranoid moods I've wondered if our pets - dogs and cats - are really the dominant species on Planet Earth and not humans. They don't have to go to work; we keep them warm and well-fed and ensure they get the best medical attention - all for free. They've got it sussed. Dogs probably pity us. Cats are more likely to regard us with contempt. If you've actually ever pondered this, then you have to read this wonderful short story by Kurt Vonnegut: http://tvtolstova.narod.ru/olderfiles/1/Shaggy20Dog.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010. Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Ps... A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010watch video. View on www.frequency.comPreview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke.
I'm seriously impressed! That neat Vonnegut tale proves that great minds do think alike . . . The Edison line about his long search for the best electric-lamp filament reminds me of my favourite quote of his: “I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” That's actually quite a profound insight. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Somebody Rick should interview tells a joke. LOL In my more paranoid moods I've wondered if our pets - dogs and cats - are really the dominant species on Planet Earth and not humans. They don't have to go to work; we keep them warm and well-fed and ensure they get the best medical attention - all for free. They've got it sussed. Dogs probably pity us. Cats are more likely to regard us with contempt. If you've actually ever pondered this, then you have to read this wonderful short story by Kurt Vonnegut: http://tvtolstova.narod.ru/olderfiles/1/Shaggy20Dog.pdf http://tvtolstova.narod.ru/olderfiles/1/Shaggy20Dog.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010. http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 Video: A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Ps... http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 A piece of Tara s Keynote Address at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium in March 2010watch video. View on www.frequency.com http://www.frequency.com/video/piece-of-taras-keynote-address-at/190478275?cid=5-3534233 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility*
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. Dear Mr Not Moron, Or can I call you by your real name - jedi spock? Here's how to do it. Try to follow me here. You do not open the emails from danfriedman2002. They are clearly labeled that way to help you read only things that you can. Or, try a book. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
Dan is trying to take Willy Tex's place as resident troll. Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. It would be interesting to see the document Jerry signed giving Danny power of attorney to him, allowing him to speak for and conduct business for Jerry. From: jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Dan is trying to take Willy Tex's place as resident troll. Dear Michael, That's cold. And good luck with that Jerry Jarvis-Barry Wright thing. I'm sure you got this one right. Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. It would be interesting to see the document Jerry signed giving Danny power of attorney to him, allowing him to speak for and conduct business for Jerry. From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) From: jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) Finally, some self-awareness from BW: He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types And does your jedi-spock admit it too? this should count as 2 Posts. Two birds with one stone. From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) Are you one of the vultures or one of the unbalanced posters? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference with so much egging going on - it's hard to see the feathers from the yolks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) Are you one of the vultures or one of the unbalanced posters? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference with so much egging going on - it's hard to see the feathers from the yolks. On his next post he'll explain that are just 'jokes', not yolks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) Are you one of the vultures or one of the unbalanced posters? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference with so much egging going on - it's hard to see the feathers from the yolks. On his next post he'll explain that are just 'jokes', not yolks. Not sure about the Dutch but he Germans pronounce 'J' like 'Y' so you are probably correct about this. Thanks for the help. BTW, bawee will claim I am enabling you here but personally, I like bugging him and as long as you keep posting you're bugging him. We can make the yolk on him, shall we?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. Empty vessels make the most noise my Vulcan brother. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) Are you one of the vultures or one of the unbalanced posters? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference with so much egging going on - it's hard to see the feathers from the yolks. On his next post he'll explain that are just 'jokes', not yolks. Not sure about the Dutch but he Germans pronounce 'J' like 'Y' so you are probably correct about this. Thanks for the help. BTW, bawee will claim I am enabling you here but personally, I like bugging him and as long as you keep posting you're bugging him. We can make the yolk on him, shall we? I get it, but who's going to clue Barry in? Not me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. Empty vessels make the most noise my Vulcan brother. You two talk this way in real life? Now that's fucked up! Communicating with people in a friendly way, here in NYC dannyboy From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
Empty vessels can sound sublime: The Great Bell Chant (The End of Suffering) The Great Bell Chant (The End of Suffering) View on vimeo.com Preview by Yahoo On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:42 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. Empty vessels make the most noise my Vulcan brother. You two talk this way in real life? Now that's fucked up! Communicating with people in a friendly way, here in NYC dannyboy From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
Well it's always a good day when I learn something new, in this case the Tibetan sky burial.Also thought it was a pretty good tantric joke about Rick not having to spring for a funeral. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:07 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) From: jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. _ From: jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] mailto:jedi_sp...@yahoo.com%20[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... mailto:Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:jedi_spock@...%20[FairfieldLife]; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... mailto:Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
On 09/10/2014 10:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) */In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. /* */He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. /* */IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-)/* These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. I peer down into the Dungeon from time to time to see what they are wailing about now. Maybe I ought to send a guard down there to give them a flogging but I'm afraid they would like it. Got to admit setting up the Dungeon for them makes FFL much cleaner to read. This could probably be solved by adding a line to the Guidelines on the order of saying the moderators reserve the right to unsubscribe anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 09/10/2014 10:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. I peer down into the Dungeon from time to time to see what they are wailing about now. Maybe I ought to send a guard down there to give them a flogging but I'm afraid they would like it. You haven't missed much down there, it's like watching goldfish: A two second memory means they do the same thing over and over again.. Got to admit setting up the Dungeon for them makes FFL much cleaner to read. This could probably be solved by adding a line to the Guidelines on the order of saying the moderators reserve the right to unsubscribe anyone. I wish I could be bothered to get a dustbin together, I still rely on message view and do a lot of scrolling. But it is kind of refreshing to see the sort of effects that long term spiritual practise can give to some. TM should have a warning label of it's own: This isn't a panacea, you have to do some work too!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. Sal, Are you considering learning the TM Technique? From: jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:jedi_spock@...%20[FairfieldLife]; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... mailto:Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 09/10/2014 10:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. I peer down into the Dungeon from time to time to see what they are wailing about now. Maybe I ought to send a guard down there to give them a flogging but I'm afraid they would like it. Got to admit setting up the Dungeon for them makes FFL much cleaner to read. This could probably be solved by adding a line to the Guidelines on the order of saying the moderators reserve the right to unsubscribe anyone. B-man(?). Are you on the Barry Dream Dinner invitation list. I wasn't aware you ran with the Other's posse. Please respond, as I was just now documenting The Secret Procedure for Coffee Perfection, but I can stop.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
It happens far too often to be ignored. Now let the True Believers squall like banshees. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. From:jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group? This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this muck. From:Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. --- Danfriedman2002@... wrote : Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From:TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group? (Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) These “post the most” characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. You're a guy with a sense of humor Salyavin and I like that but there are other ways to convey the fact one is an inconsiderate knob beyond overposting - if you get my drift.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and Alex, was WTF - For Rick
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/4/2014 9:30 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! The point, Share, is that, mere over-posting or flooding the forum on Yahoo Groups is NOT a crime, or terrorism No, just a pathetic pain the ass, it's been pointed out so stop doing it. The best policy in this case would probably be a simple apology and a retraction from the party posting the false allegations. How about one from you for deliberately pissing everyone off? That would suffice for me I think, but it's difficult to get any justice around here now that Judy is no longer participating as a checks and balance force. Almost the entire group of respondents has been turned against me, for no apparent reason. Go figure. It sure baffles me. It is also very troubling to realize that a few informants, who shall not be named, are calling for outright censorship and a limit to our freedom of expression and our right of free speech, AFTER posting slanderous and defaming messages with my real name in the header. And, then the miscreants announce they are creating silly folders and filters so they don't have to read my rebuttals and protestations. That's the real issue - that the moderators are tone deaf and asleep at the wheel, apparently. Or, they just don't care, which is worse in my opinion. We said it first. Yahoo Groups Guidelines: Don't violate the law. Members of Yahoo! communities are not above the law, so don't post anything that violates the laws of your country, state, province, or city. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it. https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ https://info.yahoo.com/guidelines/us/yahoo/groups/ To flood the forum like a huge dump truck is clearly malicious intent. I think he's gone totally nuts. I call for '200 posts per month' limit. That should be easy for any moderator to manage. On 9/3/2014 10:58 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nah, just boot him. Like you say it's obvious he's being malicious. Most other group moderators would have booted him long ago. He has the disposition of an ex-con. Maybe he is one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and Alex, was WTF - For Rick
On 09/04/2014 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/4/2014 9:30 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, imo in a society filled with corrupt leaders, the term ex-con is meaningless. Heck, a family member was in jail for writing bad checks! They probably couldn't get a decent paying job and were starving to death! The point, Share, is that, mere over-posting or flooding the forum on Yahoo Groups is NOT a crime, or terrorism No, just a pathetic pain the ass, it's been pointed out so stop doing it. Try rude. Willy's being very rude. The best policy in this case would probably be a simple apology and a retraction from the party posting the false allegations. How about one from you for deliberately pissing everyone off? And at that I only said he has the *disposition* of an ex-con not that he is one. His use of words like snitch suggest that. He sure snows Share though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:(snip) In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/justin-cash/voluntary-human-extinction-m\ ovement_b_3678213.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/justin-cash/voluntary-human-extinction- movement_b_3678213.html http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/2577829/sn/496864993/name/360_cover_0812.jp\ g http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/2577829/sn/496864993/name/360_cover_0812.j\ pg http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Voluntary_Human_Extinction/?yguid=59856607 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Voluntary_Human_Extinction/?yguid=5985660\ 7 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Why_breed http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Why_breed http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Why_VHEMT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Why_VHEMT
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet and let mankind of the future deal with it. I read that British Nuclear Fuels put a few million in the bank hoping that some bright spark in some wiser future will know how to deal with it. Until then it's being buried in places like this: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/apr/24/nuclear-waste-storage Saw a chilling documentary about this place. Just what do you put on the door? Imagine if our Neanderthal predecessors had been burying dangerous waste since they first came to Europe, it would still be as dangerous as the day they sealed it up. Do our descendants deserve to have to deal with our stupidity just so we can keep our 24/7 lifestyle? They'll be kicking us for not going solar, which is the *only* serious choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
salyavin808: These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh Yeah, but I think you are supposed to see the documentary and read the book BEFORE you post your comments. Right, Barry? LoL! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet and let mankind of the future deal with it. I read that British Nuclear Fuels put a few million in the bank hoping that some bright spark in some wiser future will know how to deal with it. Until then it's being buried in places like this: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/apr/24/nuclear-waste-storage Saw a chilling documentary about this place. Just what do you put on the door? Imagine if our Neanderthal predecessors had been burying dangerous waste since they first came to Europe, it would still be as dangerous as the day they sealed it up. Do our descendants deserve to have to deal with our stupidity just so we can keep our 24/7 lifestyle? They'll be kicking us for not going solar, which is the *only* serious choice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of global climate change and the energy demands of our planet. However, he did feel we should also be having a more thorough conversation about the risks (he did not elaborate on them - wish he had). And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet and let mankind of the future deal with it. I read that British Nuclear Fuels put a few million in the bank hoping that some bright spark in some wiser future will know how to deal with it. Until then it's being buried in places like this: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/apr/24/nuclear-waste-storage Saw a chilling documentary about this place. Just what do you put on the door? Imagine if our Neanderthal predecessors had been burying dangerous waste since they first came to Europe, it would still be as dangerous as the day they sealed it up. Do our descendants deserve to have to deal with our stupidity just so we can keep our 24/7 lifestyle? They'll be kicking us for not going solar, which is the *only* serious choice. No
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Has anyone mentioned this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... mailto:fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of global climate change and the energy demands of our planet. However, he did feel we should also be having a more thorough conversation about the risks (he did not elaborate on them - wish he had). And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet and let mankind of the future deal with it. I read that British Nuclear Fuels put a few million in the bank hoping that some bright spark in some wiser future will know how to deal with it. Until then it's being buried in places like this: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/apr/24/nuclear-waste-storage Saw a chilling documentary about this place. Just what do
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Susan, thank you so much for posting this and thanks to salyavin too for having some good discussion about it. I have been both anti nuclear and anti GMO but comments here are making me think, see another side of the issues, always a good process. OTOH, there are as you say, terrible compromises to made. It's as if one option is 95% horrific and the other is 96% horrific. These are the kind of choices that gave executive monkeys ulcers in long ago research by Brady and Porter. There are some in both spiritual and scientific communities who think that extinction of the human race is simply part of a larger cycle of evolution, a blip in the ever expanding universe. Humbling. From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. snip But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. snip Many of the same big environmentalists who have switched and are now pro nuclear are also now pro GMO food. Same idea: the world is going to run out food, and the way we raise food and animals for slaughter is incredibly polluting. We need to raise lots of food using less land and fewer chemicals. GMO's do that. I hate that idea. It feels like a terrible compromise to say that while we see the problems in nuclear or GMO food, we must go for a lesser evil or our planet is cooked. I am on the fence with both issues, but my mind is open to the possibility that huge compromises may need to be made. I believe we are on the brink of disaster with global climate change, and it might already be too late for anything to make a difference. The window of opportunity might be gone. Maybe chaos and then a collapse of most civilizations will bring things to a halt and that is the way to go. I just don't know. But we have major difficulties ahead and continuing to think that we all have to reduce our energy demands and eat organic is ignoring reality.
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As a large example where energy conservation HAS worked, California's per capita energy consumption has remained flat for the last twenty years, by integrating energy efficient lighting and appliances as they become available. So it is not a foregone conclusion that the West has to increase energy use. Because radioactivity is inherently damaging to any vessel containing it, it remains a highly dangerous and unstable means of producing energy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of global climate change and the energy demands of our planet. However, he did feel we should also be having a more thorough conversation about the risks (he did not elaborate on them - wish he had). And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet and let mankind of the future deal with it. I read that British Nuclear Fuels put a few million in the bank hoping that some bright spark in some wiser future will
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Share, it is always good to look at both sides to an issue. But, ultimately, one has to vote. How do you vote on the issue of nuclear power? How do you vote on the issue of GMO? Come on woman, state your truth - you seem unwilling to ever commit and defend your position - standing on the fence at all times. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Susan, thank you so much for posting this and thanks to salyavin too for having some good discussion about it. I have been both anti nuclear and anti GMO but comments here are making me think, see another side of the issues, always a good process. OTOH, there are as you say, terrible compromises to made. It's as if one option is 95% horrific and the other is 96% horrific. These are the kind of choices that gave executive monkeys ulcers in long ago research by Brady and Porter. There are some in both spiritual and scientific communities who think that extinction of the human race is simply part of a larger cycle of evolution, a blip in the ever expanding universe. Humbling. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. snip But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. snip Many of the same big environmentalists who have switched and are now pro nuclear are also now pro GMO food. Same idea: the world is going to run out food, and the way we raise food and animals for slaughter is incredibly polluting. We need to raise lots of food using less land and fewer chemicals. GMO's do that. I hate that idea. It feels like a terrible compromise to say that while we see the problems in nuclear or GMO food, we must go for a lesser evil or our planet is cooked. I am on the fence with both issues, but my mind is open to the possibility that huge compromises may need to be made. I believe we are on the brink of disaster with global climate change, and it might already be too late for anything to make a difference. The window of opportunity might be gone. Maybe chaos and then a collapse of most civilizations will bring things to a halt and that is the way to go. I just don't know. But we have major difficulties ahead and continuing to think that we all have to reduce our energy demands and eat organic is ignoring reality.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: We have 4 nucler (NOO-kyuh-luhr) power plants here in SC with a total of 7 reactors. They have been around so long we don't take much notice of them. Every now and then you might have to swerve your car real fast to avoid hitting an eight legged cow sized frog that comes out of the swamps nearby the reactor, but the nucler place generally pays your damages, so its no big deal. Barnwell Nuclear facility here in SC used to store waste for the entire country, now only for connecticut, new jersy, and SC itself. Most of the rest goes to Hanford. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary  On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy is NOT a very good idea. And when you let profit hungry big corporations run the show the problem gets worse. Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a human population. This needs to be addressed humanly through one child programs etc. We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology we have today. The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that laissez faire capitalism promotes. That keeps excessive consumption alive just so some bunch can keep making money. How insane! And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution. On a long drive recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on: The plot is about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to the planet. Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile. In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves.
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On 08/05/2013 11:01 AM, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: We have 4 nucler (NOO-kyuh-luhr) power plants here in SC with a total of 7 reactors. They have been around so long we don't take much notice of them. Every now and then you might have to swerve your car real fast to avoid hitting an eight legged cow sized frog that comes out of the swamps nearby the reactor, but the nucler place generally pays your damages, so its no big deal. Barnwell Nuclear facility here in SC used to store waste for the entire country, now only for connecticut, new jersy, and SC itself. Most of the rest goes to Hanford. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary  On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy is NOT a very good idea. And when you let profit hungry big corporations run the show the problem gets worse. Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a human population. This needs to be addressed humanly through one child programs etc. We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology we have today. The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that laissez faire capitalism promotes. That keeps excessive consumption alive just so some bunch can keep making money. How insane! And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution. On a long drive recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on: The plot is about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to the planet. Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile. In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves. OK, spoiler here but the UK Channel 4 TV series we chatted about here, Utopia was about that. I even told some folks I was playing the first episode for to pay attention to the opening newscast, it lays out the whole thing. Most people wouldn't pay that strict attention as they think that the newscast is just background sound. BTW, HBO bought the rights to that series and is producing a US version which may well be watered down and probably not it the nice scope aspect ratio that the UK versions was shown. I've wondered if a virus were produced to stop pregnancy and then 5 years later an antidote found if people would still want to have children? Let's face it, having children is more of a romantic or emotional thing except of course for mistakes. A friend and his wife just had their first child and probably only child. He is in his 40s and was an only child. I did the horoscope which showed nothing but weak planets (oh well, my horoscope is like that too). But I kept thinking, poor kid, I sure wouldn't want to be born into this world the state it is in. And I have other friends who have chosen not to have children at all in spite of the fact that they are very bright people. It's the religious fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because their emotions drive them more than reason. BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered here and to all houses in the neighborhood. The ad on the front page celebrated the single child policy. Of course folks from China are coming over
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http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Has anyone mentioned this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ mailto:fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of global climate change and the energy demands of our planet. However, he did feel we should also be having a more thorough conversation about the risks (he did not elaborate on them - wish he had). And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet and let mankind of the future deal with it. I read that British Nuclear Fuels put a few million in the bank hoping that some
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy is NOT a very good idea. And when you let profit hungry big corporations run the show the problem gets worse. Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a human population. This needs to be addressed humanly through one child programs etc. We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology we have today. The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that laissez faire capitalism promotes. That keeps excessive consumption alive just so some bunch can keep making money. How insane! And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution. On a long drive recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on: The plot is about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to the planet. Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile. In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves. OK, spoiler here but the UK Channel 4 TV series we chatted about here, Utopia was about that. I even told some folks I was playing the first episode for to pay attention to the opening newscast, it lays out the whole thing. Most people wouldn't pay that strict attention as they think that the newscast is just background sound. BTW, HBO bought the rights to that series and is producing a US version which may well be watered down and probably not it the nice scope aspect ratio that the UK versions was shown. I missed this show and the discussion here. Will check it out. I've wondered if a virus were produced to stop pregnancy and then 5 years later an antidote found if people would still want to have children? Let's face it, having children is more of a romantic or emotional thing except of course for mistakes. A friend and his wife just had their first child and probably only child. He is in his 40s and was an only child. I did the horoscope which showed nothing but weak planets (oh well, my horoscope is like that too). But I kept thinking, poor kid, I sure wouldn't want to be born into this world the state it is in. And I have other friends who have chosen not to have children at all in spite of the fact that they are very bright people. It's the religious fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because their emotions drive them more than reason. And also the billions of people in other countries who have many children. My soon to be married son is seriously considering not having children due to what he expects the future to be like. I would love grandchildren and we humans seem to be pack animals, but I can understand his concerns. This is not something we thought of back in the 70's and 80's. BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered here and to all houses in the neighborhood. The ad on the front page celebrated the single child policy. Of course folks from China are coming over on tours to buy houses in the US. More details on folks from China coming here to buy homes, please. So they can have more children? Due to pollution in China? It is not easy to become a citizen here for them, is it? B, do you agree with James Kelleher's predictions about the 2019-20 timeframe and that dharma might be leaving the earth
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
Thorium - interesting - will follow this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Has anyone mentioned this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ mailto:fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of global climate change and the energy demands of our planet. However, he did feel we should also be having a more thorough conversation about the risks (he did not elaborate on them - wish he
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
Remember that eventually the nuclear powerplant itself becomes nuclear waste that needs to be disposed of. I find it highly unlikely that radioactive concrete and steel will ever be useful as nuclear fuel, so it can't be recycled. And anything that is highly radioactive can be used as the shell for a dirty bomb, so that issue never goes away in any reasonable time-frame. There are legitimate uses for nuclear power, but creating enough nuclear reactors to solve all our current and future power needs is impractical. There's going to be no single solution to the problem. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Thorium - interesting - will follow this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Has anyone mentioned this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ mailto:fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable
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I forgot to mention that thorium was mentioned, briefly, in Pandora's Promise. The docu needs a followup with pros and cons of various approaches and what we can realistically do going forward and how much various technologies could contribute to energy needs.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Thorium - interesting - will follow this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Has anyone mentioned this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ mailto:fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option. The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not fair and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now. The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we switch wholesale and build more reactors. Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and It's just bound to happen sooner or later. But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came up
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On 08/05/2013 01:33 PM, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy is NOT a very good idea. And when you let profit hungry big corporations run the show the problem gets worse. Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a human population. This needs to be addressed humanly through one child programs etc. We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology we have today. The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that laissez faire capitalism promotes. That keeps excessive consumption alive just so some bunch can keep making money. How insane! And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution. On a long drive recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on: The plot is about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to the planet. Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile. In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves. OK, spoiler here but the UK Channel 4 TV series we chatted about here, Utopia was about that. I even told some folks I was playing the first episode for to pay attention to the opening newscast, it lays out the whole thing. Most people wouldn't pay that strict attention as they think that the newscast is just background sound. BTW, HBO bought the rights to that series and is producing a US version which may well be watered down and probably not it the nice scope aspect ratio that the UK versions was shown. I missed this show and the discussion here. Will check it out. Good luck on that. I would have thought that it would be available on Netflix WI by now but with HBO getting the rights all bets are off. I've wondered if a virus were produced to stop pregnancy and then 5 years later an antidote found if people would still want to have children? Let's face it, having children is more of a romantic or emotional thing except of course for mistakes. A friend and his wife just had their first child and probably only child. He is in his 40s and was an only child. I did the horoscope which showed nothing but weak planets (oh well, my horoscope is like that too). But I kept thinking, poor kid, I sure wouldn't want to be born into this world the state it is in. And I have other friends who have chosen not to have children at all in spite of the fact that they are very bright people. It's the religious fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because their emotions drive them more than reason. And also the billions of people in other countries who have many children. And they do that because they want at least one child to survive to take care of them in old life. Do some kind of program like Social Security for the and the problem goes away. Also more education for women in developing countries is essential for keeping the birth rate down. My soon to be married son is seriously considering not having children due to what he expects the future to be like. I would love grandchildren and we humans seem to be pack animals, but I can understand his concerns. This is not something we thought of back in the 70's and 80's. BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered here and to all houses in the neighborhood. The ad on the front page celebrated the single child
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/05/2013 01:33 PM, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible. I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy is NOT a very good idea. And when you let profit hungry big corporations run the show the problem gets worse. Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a human population. This needs to be addressed humanly through one child programs etc. We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology we have today. The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that laissez faire capitalism promotes. That keeps excessive consumption alive just so some bunch can keep making money. How insane! And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution. On a long drive recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on: The plot is about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to the planet. Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile. In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves. OK, spoiler here And I have other friends who have chosen not to have children at all in spite of the fact that they are very bright people. It's the religious fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because their emotions drive them more than reason. And also the billions of people in other countries who have many children. And they do that because they want at least one child to survive to take care of them in old life. Do some kind of program like Social Security for the and the problem goes away. Also more education for women in developing countries is essential for keeping the birth rate down. My soon to be married son is seriously considering not having children due to what he expects the future to be like. I would love grandchildren and we humans seem to be pack animals, but I can understand his concerns. This is not something we thought of back in the 70's and 80's. BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered here and to all houses in the neighborhood. The ad on the front page celebrated the single child policy. Of course folks from China are coming over on tours to buy houses in the US. More details on folks from China coming here to buy homes, please. So they can have more children? Due to pollution in China? It is not easy to become a citizen here for them, is it? More money. It's the rich Chinese buying houses and in some cases businesses. You can probably look up details via search. One such article: http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/08/real_estate/chinese-homebuyers/index.html The article mentions that 70% of the Chinese home purchases here are all in cash. In a related topic, a friend of mine is up on the latest education info for high school prep schools and Ivy League colleges. He says that the most selective prep schools and colleges have tons of Asian applicants, enough to fill the entire freshmen classes. And the students are all high scoring and extremely capable. Finally, their parents are willing to pay all cash - no grants or scholarships or loans! Our schools obviously do not accept them all...but that is our competition. There are just so many many Chinese and so there are many very
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The biggest issue with nuclear power isn't a risk of a meltdown, or even a risk from storage of nuclear waste, but the security risk of creating and refining lots and lots of radioactive material that, if stolen, could be used to create dirty bombs. That risk exists in some form at every stage of development and use of nuclear power. A nuclear power plant itself is the raw material for a dirty bomb. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: dear Rick Raunchy Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Rick, is it possible to increase the posting limit to 70/week which is 10/day which is easier on sharelong 64 yr old brain? Hi Raunchy, forgot to thank for Roz Russell clip, the Queen of Droll. My absolute favorite: Auntie Mame which one must see. Her gang sort of like the one here on FFL (-: Hi Mr. Nablusoss, Hello ShareLong, I won't call you Nabby because sometimes that's used meanly. It was started by, guess who ! I want to confess that I don't know if this is your personal name or your family name. It's a nick I picked up on feeling the intense stress coming from the Palestinian city of Nablus when the israelies were conducting the huge massacres there. Also that I don't know how to pronounce it wherever it falls. So in my head somehow I've ended up calling you Apple Sauce. Please tell me if you object and I will no longer use it here Both Nablusos and Apple Sauce are nice :-) Mr. Sauce, just to set the record straight, you were the first one to post that beautiful Buddhist crop circle. Not Mr. Turq. So I'm quite sure there was no pooping in pants happening. But I do wonder if maybe BW snuck over from Bad Canal World Habits to create that just for you. What do you think? Impossible. He is an old man now, given to walking, sitting on benches thinking about death etc where he is experiencing quitness, or SILENCE which he preffers to call it. So no, I still think our SpaceBrothers are the culprits. BTW, thanking you as always for crop circles. Thank you too for posting here, and no, I think a 70 postinglimit is a non-good idea. I already have a hard time digesting all the SILENCE coming from Leiden as it is, thank you very much !
[FairfieldLife] Re: dear Rick Raunchy Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Rick, is it possible to increase the posting limit to 70/week which is 10/day which is easier on sharelong 64 yr old brain? Hi Raunchy, forgot to thank for Roz Russell clip, the Queen of Droll. My absolute favorite: Auntie Mame which one must see. Her gang sort of like the one here on FFL (-: Thanks, Share. My father was a Rosalind Russel fan so much so he named my sister after her. Loved Auntie Mame. His Girl Friday Roz with Cary Grant, have you seen it? http://youtu.be/K-Rx6FrjX5k Hi Mr. Nablusoss, Hello ShareLong, I won't call you Nabby because sometimes that's used meanly. It was started by, guess who ! I want to confess that I don't know if this is your personal name or your family name. It's a nick I picked up on feeling the intense stress coming from the Palestinian city of Nablus when the israelies were conducting the huge massacres there. Also that I don't know how to pronounce it wherever it falls. So in my head somehow I've ended up calling you Apple Sauce. Please tell me if you object and I will no longer use it here Both Nablusos and Apple Sauce are nice :-) Mr. Sauce, just to set the record straight, you were the first one to post that beautiful Buddhist crop circle. Not Mr. Turq. So I'm quite sure there was no pooping in pants happening. But I do wonder if maybe BW snuck over from Bad Canal World Habits to create that just for you. What do you think? Impossible. He is an old man now, given to walking, sitting on benches thinking about death etc where he is experiencing quitness, or SILENCE which he preffers to call it. So no, I still think our SpaceBrothers are the culprits. BTW, thanking you as always for crop circles. Thank you too for posting here, and no, I think a 70 postinglimit is a non-good idea. I already have a hard time digesting all the SILENCE coming from Leiden as it is, thank you very much !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over. It is basically greed,stupidity and politics that has prevented the United States from from developing a more substantial level of renewable energy(it currently is at 14%). As an example of why this is so, is Germany which currently produces 20% of its energy from renewable sources and has passed a mandate that 35% be renewable by 2020.But of course the power of the oil and coal industries make it very unlikely that The US will make the type of progress that Germany is making. see below According to BDEW's report, the most important source of renewable energy in Germany is wind energy with 7.5 percent (out of the total electricity supply), followed by biomass (5.6 percent), solar (3.5 percent), hydropower (3.3 percent) and waste-fired power plants and other sources (0.8 percent). So how Germany did it? In one word: Policy. In a report published earlier this year, Deutsche Bank provided some of the ingredients of the German successful recipe: Setting ambitious but attainable binding renewable energy and climate targets, integrating these targets into energy policies and linking the targets to comprehensive energy policy targets, creating incentives (feed-in tariffs for example) to minimize investor risks and drive costs down, and balancing constructive regulatory policy with flexibility by introducing policy incentives that can also be adjusted to reflect changing market conditions (for example, reducing solar feed-in tariff when solar costs are going down). It's not surprising that the verdict of Deutsche Bank was: We believe that Germany exhibits best in class climate and renewable energy policy structures.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 shanti2218411@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over. It is basically greed,stupidity and politics that has prevented the United States from from developing a more substantial level of renewable energy(it currently is at 14%). As an example of why this is so, is Germany which currently produces 20% of its energy from renewable sources and has passed a mandate that 35% be renewable by 2020.But of course the power of the oil and coal industries make it very unlikely that The US will make the type of progress that Germany is making. see below According to BDEW's report, the most important source of renewable energy in Germany is wind energy with 7.5 percent (out of the total electricity supply), followed by biomass (5.6 percent), solar (3.5 percent), hydropower (3.3 percent) and waste-fired power plants and other sources (0.8 percent). So how Germany did it? In one word: Policy. In a report published earlier this year, Deutsche Bank provided some of the ingredients of the German successful recipe: Setting ambitious but attainable binding renewable energy and climate targets, integrating these targets into energy policies and linking the targets to comprehensive energy policy targets, creating incentives (feed-in tariffs for example) to minimize investor risks and drive costs down, and balancing constructive regulatory policy with flexibility by introducing policy incentives that can also be adjusted to reflect changing market conditions (for example, reducing solar feed-in tariff when solar costs are going down). It's not surprising that the verdict of Deutsche Bank was: We believe that Germany exhibits best in class climate and renewable energy policy structures. Recently in Wired Magazine: Why the Clean Tech Boom Went Bust http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/01/ff_solyndra/all/1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar and it's a different story. This is getting Hilarious Rick, you can't possibly think Wind and Solar could take over from Oil and Gas to drive electric cars, do you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar and it's a different story. Or require electricity companies to generate power more cleanly, as is the case in the U.S. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?! Why Electric Cars Are More Polluting than Gas Guzzlers - at Least in China Electric cars are all the rage in China, but they may not be helping to clean up the environment or protect human health from pollution. By Alice Park http://healthland.time.com/author/apark7/ | @aliceparkny http://www.twitter.com/aliceparkny | February 14, 2012 | + http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/14/why-electric-cars-are-more-polluting- than-gas-guzzlers-at-least-in-china/#disqus_thread inShare1 VisionsofAmerica/Joe Sohm / Getty Images http://timewellness.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/e008006ecarscrop.jpg?w=600; h=400crop=1 VisionsofAmerica/Joe Sohm / Getty Images It's unspoken, but every driver gliding around town behind the wheel of a Prius is thinking the same thing: I'm saving the planet. What are you doing, you dirty-fossil-fuel burner? What's implied is that hybrid or electric-car drivers are also saving human lives, since the fuel-burning internal combustion engines that power conventional vehicles emit carbon dioxide and fine particulate matter including acids, organic chemicals as well as dust and soil; this pollution has been linked to respiratory and heart problems and cancer. But, according to a new study published in the journal Environmental Science Technology, it turns out that the use of electric vehicles may not be that clean after all, particularly in the world's most populated country, China. In the study, Christopher Cherry, an assistant professor of civil and environmental engineering at University of Tennessee, and his colleagues found that in terms of air pollution, electric vehicles were more harmful to public health per kilometer traveled than gasoline-powered cars. That's right - the electrically powered cars turned out to be dirtier than those with internal combustion engines. VIDEO: Turning Old Gas Guzzlers Into Electric Vehicles http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,990054967001_2077261,00.html How could that be? Cherry says there's been an implicit assumption that because electric cars don't burn fossil fuels, they're cleaner for the environment and safer for people, but that doesn't take into account how the electricity they use is generated. In China, that would be from - you guessed it - fossil fuels. About 85% of the country's electricity is powered by fossil fuels, of which 95% is coal. It's tricky comparing electric vehicle emissions with emissions from internal combustion engines, because you can't compare the emissions, says Cherry. With gasoline engines, a 1-1 change in emissions results in a 1-1 change in health outcomes because the emissions are released in the same place where people inhale them. That's not the case with electric cars, whose dirty emissions are released at the electricity-generating power plant, while the vehicle is used elsewhere. It's this disconnect that has given electric vehicles an apparently cleaner bill for health, but Cherry says that once you factor in how many people within the range of electricity generating power plants are affected by emissions, the story gets a little dirtier. In China's case, pollution from electricity plants is spreading exposure to potentially harmful particulates in the air from urban populations to those in more remote rural regions. Kilometer per kilometer, electric cars in China beat out conventional vehicles as among the worst environmental polluters. On average, the fine particulate emissions per passenger-km are 3.6 times greater for electric cars than for gasoline cars. That's better than for diesel cars but on par with diesel buses, which can spread their environmental impact across the number of passengers they carry. If we compare gasoline car emissions to electric car emissions, the electric cars look very, very bad, says Cherry. So the point is that you have to consider the emissions exposure when the exposure source is far apart - the electrical power plant as opposed to the tailpipe of a car. MORE: 6 New Developments in the World of Electric Cars http://moneyland.time.com/2011/07/20/6-new-developments-in-the-world-of-ele ctric-cars/ The problem is that the Chinese government, in a well-intentioned effort to promote more eco-friendly power use, has been pushing electric cars http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/04/20/how-china-can-take-the-wheel-on -electric-cars/ , motorcycles and scooters in
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar and it's a different story. This is getting Hilarious Rick, you can't possibly think Wind and Solar could take over from Oil and Gas to drive electric cars, do you? Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar and it's a different story. This is getting Hilarious Rick, you can't possibly think Wind and Solar could take over from Oil and Gas to drive electric cars, do you? Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over. Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we are ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a world of plenty ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over. Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we are ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a world of plenty ? (Interpretation of the above-Not until we are visited by space aliens will we be able to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels). And I agree!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over. Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we are ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a world of plenty ? (Interpretation of the above-Not until we are visited by space aliens will we be able to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels). And I agree! I didn't say that, so I disagree with you :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will and must take over. Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we are ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a world of plenty ? (Interpretation of the above-Not until we are visited by space aliens will we be able to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels). And I agree! I didn't say that, so I disagree with you :-) The reason is that we have been visited by them for a very long time already, and they still have not given us som real clues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Rick should do.
The most enlightened statement on the board! : ) Truly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Haha. Â That's a good one. Â Put me last on the listperhaps in 27 years, I'll have achieved spiritual authenticity, or, I give you permission to approach the spirit of my deceased body. Â From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:55 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] What Rick should do. Â From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Rick should do. Â Â Here we got our good-guy Rick interviewing all the souls out there that claim some sort of spiritual authenticity, and what made it all possible for Rick? FairFieldLife did. I say, Rick should amass a list of everyone who was ever a member, and, in chronological order, interview each and all in some manner. That would be scientific, right? Gotta have all the data. Edg Seeing as how there are 1427 members, and I only do one interview a week, that should keep me busy for the next 27 years. Iâll get right on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Rick should do.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Here we got our good-guy Rick interviewing all the souls out there that claim some sort of spiritual authenticity, and what made it all possible for Rick? FairFieldLife did. I say, Rick should amass a list of everyone who was ever a member, and, in chronological order, interview each and all in some manner. That would be scientific, right? Gotta have all the data. Edg And what made FairFieldLife possible, Edg? Rick did. Nice to see you're back to stir the pot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attn: RICK -- copy of Robes of Silk? [was: Help a Saint -Lose Your Badge]
Hm! I am sorry to hear that it's unavailable on Amazon, Kat. Perhaps Rick might be able to come up with one or know where one can be obtained; I have changed the subject heading accordingly to try and get his attention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mssonni1 msfrtune13@... wrote: I haven't, and just look on Amazon and it's unavailable. It sounds interesting, though. Kat --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: Hi, and welcome It was Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay, by Judith Bourque. Have you read it?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attn: RICK -- copy of Robes of Silk? [was: Help a Saint -Lose Your Badge]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RoryGoff Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 3:01 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attn: RICK -- copy of Robes of Silk? [was: Help a Saint -Lose Your Badge] Hm! I am sorry to hear that it's unavailable on Amazon, Kat. Perhaps Rick might be able to come up with one or know where one can be obtained; I have changed the subject heading accordingly to try and get his attention. You got it, but Curtis already posted the link. If she's in FF, the library has copies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attn: RICK -- copy of Robes of Silk? [was: Help a Saint -Lose Your Badge]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: You got it, but Curtis already posted the link. If she's in FF, the library has copies. * * Thanks, Curtis, and thanks, Rick!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. Yes do.rflex is a big idiot - it was probably not wise of you to respond to him because he gets very disoriented, disturbed and disjointed if he has to indulge in any human interactions. Please leave him alone in peace so he can just continue his copy and paste from various liberal websites in a mind-numbing, monotonous and mechanical manner. Watch 'em dance, folks. authfriend: Well, I'll chime in here and back up BillyG and Ravi, because the do.rk can't accuse me of finding his behavior inappropriate on account of my politics; I'm at least as liberal as he is. It's always wrong to be prejudiced against certain groups of people, like Jews, Christians, Texans, and the Mormons. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. So, it looks like to me that there's only one or two informants on FFL willing to stand up for what's right. Subject: Fringe Christian Right endorses Texas Gov Rick Perry for president Author: John Manning Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon, alt.religion, soc.culture.jewish, alt.atheism, alt.bible.prophecy Date: July 5, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/3c4ubh4 Nobody minds the occasional cut-and-paste if it's well chosen and the poster is willing to discuss it. But the indiscriminate dumping that the do.rk has been doing here for months, without any commentary of his own, his only response to disagreement from others being what he perceives to be withering insults like the above, are an abuse of the forum. Well, let's see, Judy, I've been saying this for what, a decade? You supported this character for over seven years on Usenet! And, you've lobbed your share of hate mail at the two or three conservatives on this forum! And it makes liberals look bad just on general principles; people are more likely to resist liberal ideas when they're relentlessly shoved in their faces with no discussion possible. One of his arrogant little tricks is to pick out what he thinks are important fragments of the articles he posts and put them at the top so we'll be sure not to miss them. That's annoying and insulting. We don't need him to instruct us in what's significant about an article. We'll decide for ourselves, thank you very much, if we want to read the article at all. And if we aren't going to read the whole thing, we're not going to accept his choice of callouts as a summary. His snotty comment above is reminiscent of Barry's oft-repeated self-serving trope that the only reason people criticize his behavior is because they don't agreee with his criticisms of TM. That's utter hogwash, but apparently the do.rk thinks it's a stinging rebuke worthy of emulation. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage. Except with that Willytex that lives down in Texas!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
Oh Ravi, let's not name call. Acid.Reflux is just a lovable retired postal worker who's pension goes a little further in Brazil. I look on his rants as a form of primal scream therapy, just lettin' it all hang out for the world to see.However, he does seem to be emotionally invested in his political point of view and he's in for a big let down next year. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 1:35:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. Yes do.rflex is a big idiot - it was probably not wise of you to respond to him because he gets very disoriented, disturbed and disjointed if he has to indulge in any human interactions. Please leave him alone in peace so he can just continue his copy and paste from various liberal websites in a mind-numbing, monotonous and mechanical manner. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. Yes do.rflex is a big idiot - it was probably not wise of you to respond to him because he gets very disoriented, disturbed and disjointed if he has to indulge in any human interactions. Please leave him alone in peace so he can just continue his copy and paste from various liberal websites in a mind-numbing, monotonous and mechanical manner. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. Yes do.rflex is a big idiot - it was probably not wise of you to respond to him because he gets very disoriented, disturbed and disjointed if he has to indulge in any human interactions. Please leave him alone in peace so he can just continue his copy and paste from various liberal websites in a mind-numbing, monotonous and mechanical manner. Watch 'em dance, folks. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. Yes do.rflex is a big idiot - it was probably not wise of you to respond to him because he gets very disoriented, disturbed and disjointed if he has to indulge in any human interactions. Please leave him alone in peace so he can just continue his copy and paste from various liberal websites in a mind-numbing, monotonous and mechanical manner. Watch 'em dance, folks. Well, I'll chime in here and back up BillyG and Ravi, because the do.rk can't accuse me of finding his behavior inappropriate on account of my politics; I'm at least as liberal as he is. Nobody minds the occasional cut-and-paste if it's well chosen and the poster is willing to discuss it. But the indiscriminate dumping that the do.rk has been doing here for months, without any commentary of his own, his only response to disagreement from others being what he perceives to be withering insults like the above, are an abuse of the forum. And it makes liberals look bad just on general principles; people are more likely to resist liberal ideas when they're relentlessly shoved in their faces with no discussion possible. One of his arrogant little tricks is to pick out what he thinks are important fragments of the articles he posts and put them at the top so we'll be sure not to miss them. That's annoying and insulting. We don't need him to instruct us in what's significant about an article. We'll decide for ourselves, thank you very much, if we want to read the article at all. And if we aren't going to read the whole thing, we're not going to accept his choice of callouts as a summary. His snotty comment above is reminiscent of Barry's oft-repeated self-serving trope that the only reason people criticize his behavior is because they don't agreee with his criticisms of TM. That's utter hogwash, but apparently the do.rk thinks it's a stinging rebuke worthy of emulation. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
do.rflex: Why does God hate Texas? So, it seems that you hate a lot of different groups of people, for no apparent reason. Prejudice against certain group is always wrong, John. You've been taken to task for this on several occasions. You seem to be trying to outdo yourself. Don't you just hate those Mormons? The outright prejudice of some of you TM Teachers is just astounding! What a hateful bunch of spiritual impostors. Even Sal would probably agree with this assessment! This must be the bash-a-group week on FFL. Go figure. 20062008 American Community Survey, the racial and ethnic composition of Texas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: It is prophesied that a leader shall come out of the desert where the fire and heat shall temper his power! Can I get an Amen on that! Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love. ~~ Butch Hancock From: do.rflex do.rflex@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 1:07:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas? Â God's Answer to Rick Perry's Prayers for Rain: Go to Hell By Blue Texan - Friday July 1, 2011 -- On April 21, The Secessionist, who last year sued the EPA so Texas could dump even more carbon into the atmosphere (which totally doesn't cause global warming), used his elected office to ask thepeople of his state to pray that God might end our worst drought in over 100 years. This is what the drought conditions were that week. See Graph: http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2011/07/Screen-shot-2011-07-01-at-9.08.58-AM-300x176.png And this is what they are this week: See 2nd Graph: http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/DM_state.htm?TX,S Why does God hate Texas? http://firedoglake.com/2011/07/01/gods-answer-to-rick-perrys-prayers-for-rain-go-to-hell/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: do.rflex: Why does God hate Texas? So, it seems that you hate a lot of different groups of people, for no apparent reason. Prejudice against certain group is always wrong, John. You've been taken to task for this on several occasions. You seem to be trying to outdo yourself. Don't you just hate those Mormons? The outright prejudice of some of you TM Teachers is just astounding! What a hateful bunch of spiritual impostors. Even Sal would probably agree with this assessment! This must be the bash-a-group week on FFL. Go figure. 20062008 American Community Survey, the racial and ethnic composition of Texas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: It is prophesied that a leader shall come out of the desert where the fire and heat shall temper his power! Can I get an Amen on that! Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love. ~~ Butch Hancock From: do.rflex do.rflex@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 1:07:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas? Â God's Answer to Rick Perry's Prayers for Rain: Go to Hell By Blue Texan - Friday July 1, 2011 -- On April 21, The Secessionist, who last year sued the EPA so Texas could dump even more carbon into the atmosphere (which totally doesn't cause global warming), used his elected office to ask thepeople of his state to pray that God might end our worst drought in over 100 years. This is what the drought conditions were that week. See Graph: http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2011/07/Screen-shot-2011-07-01-at-9.08.58-AM-300x176.png And this is what they are this week: See 2nd Graph: http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/DM_state.htm?TX,S Why does God hate Texas? http://firedoglake.com/2011/07/01/gods-answer-to-rick-perrys-prayers-for-rain-go-to-hell/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Rick Perry's God have something against Texas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@ wrote: do.rflex: Why does God hate Texas? So, it seems that you hate a lot of different groups of people, for no apparent reason. Prejudice against certain group is always wrong, John. You've been taken to task for this on several occasions. You seem to be trying to outdo yourself. Don't you just hate those Mormons? The outright prejudice of some of you TM Teachers is just astounding! What a hateful bunch of spiritual impostors. Even Sal would probably agree with this assessment! This must be the bash-a-group week on FFL. Go figure. 20062008 American Community Survey, the racial and ethnic composition of Texas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as from this particular poster, it is as if he can only see black and white or is so jaded in his way of thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible. Projection is a fascinating response to having one's particular nerves hit on target. And the incessant posting of websites that support his particular viewpoint is simplistic and a poor substitute for his own comments on the matter, like, what's he afraid of?, he might be wrong? At least Judy will engage.
