[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Program lost purity of the Teaching through improvements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, allanrosenzweig allanrosenzweig@... wrote: If people are not rounding, it is because it is not blissful any more. If it is not blissful, it is because the Purity of the Teaching has been lost. The Invincible America program has made additions to improve it, but have taken away from the purity of the teaching, which lies in its simplicity. In the good old days, when people paid to round, it was because it was simple. One round, then the ding of a bell, then a second deeper round. Now it is improved by asking for a meaningless show of hands for Number 1 experiences. Then an international conference call, listening to mostly unenlightened mood making. Most people love a Puja on special occasions. But every day? It loses its specialness. Keep in mind that it was not Maharishi who added the Puja. It was added after his passing away, then became institutionalized. Then there is the stupid Heaven Is Descending jingle, which flies in the face of the organization's claim that TM is not a religion. The program drags out so long, people have to eat between rounds. So during their second round, their bodies are digesting - or sleeping. Better to simplify the program back to the basics. Better to get the rounding done by 11:00 so the participants can stabilize. Better yet then can do some job, or start a business, to become financially self sufficient. Currently many of them are cultivating a life style of being dependent, sleeping until noon, and will be unable to work if the grant ends. While I understand the passion and the sincerity behind your comments, I have to admit that my reaction upon reading a description of what IA consists of is, People are still DOING this shit? WTF? Pure or impure, this is all so yesterday, so Do these people still *believe* this stuff? that I cannot identify. I guess it's all still of interest if you believe in the theory behind it, or in the guy who sold you that theory, but that's not me, so I'm still stuck on WTF? I would imagine that 99.% of the world's popu- lation would join me in a mighty refrain of WTF?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Program lost purity of the Teaching through improvements
The Invincible America Program also loses participants through improvements to the basics. People literally have to be paid to sit through such a boring program. Better to cut out the non-essential half time (show of hands, experiences, commentary, puja, jingle, eating brunch, chatting) and get MORE people in the Dome who really enjoy doing the rounding - and would do so for free - or even pay to do it in a group. The program is not building strong enough people to build a sustainable community. If the Settle Grant had to stop for whatever reason, how many of the recipients could or would continue doing the long program? How many of them built up enough creative intelligence to support themselves in Fairfield and keep the numbers up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, allanrosenzweig allanrosenzweig@ wrote: If people are not rounding, it is because it is not blissful any more. If it is not blissful, it is because the Purity of the Teaching has been lost. The Invincible America program has made additions to improve it, but have taken away from the purity of the teaching, which lies in its simplicity. In the good old days, when people paid to round, it was because it was simple. One round, then the ding of a bell, then a second deeper round. Now it is improved by asking for a meaningless show of hands for Number 1 experiences. Then an international conference call, listening to mostly unenlightened mood making. Most people love a Puja on special occasions. But every day? It loses its specialness. Keep in mind that it was not Maharishi who added the Puja. It was added after his passing away, then became institutionalized. Then there is the stupid Heaven Is Descending jingle, which flies in the face of the organization's claim that TM is not a religion. The program drags out so long, people have to eat between rounds. So during their second round, their bodies are digesting - or sleeping. Better to simplify the program back to the basics. Better to get the rounding done by 11:00 so the participants can stabilize. Better yet then can do some job, or start a business, to become financially self sufficient. Currently many of them are cultivating a life style of being dependent, sleeping until noon, and will be unable to work if the grant ends. While I understand the passion and the sincerity behind your comments, I have to admit that my reaction upon reading a description of what IA consists of is, People are still DOING this shit? WTF? Pure or impure, this is all so yesterday, so Do these people still *believe* this stuff? that I cannot identify. I guess it's all still of interest if you believe in the theory behind it, or in the guy who sold you that theory, but that's not me, so I'm still stuck on WTF? I would imagine that 99.% of the world's popu- lation would join me in a mighty refrain of WTF?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Program lost purity of the Teaching through improvements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, allanrosenzweig allanrosenzweig@... wrote: The Invincible America Program also loses participants through improvements to the basics. People literally have to be paid to sit through such a boring program. Better to cut out the non-essential half time (show of hands, experiences, commentary, puja, jingle, eating brunch, chatting) and get MORE people in the Dome who really enjoy doing the rounding - and would do so for free - or even pay to do it in a group. The program is not building strong enough people to build a sustainable community. If the Settle Grant had to stop for whatever reason, how many of the recipients could or would continue doing the long program? How many of them built up enough creative intelligence to support themselves in Fairfield and keep the numbers up? Huh, are the Settles still paying for this? You've got to admire their optimism in the face of the results, wasn't invincibility actually promised at some point? Surely there's only so much phase transition crap anyone will sit through? Ah well, it's only money --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, allanrosenzweig allanrosenzweig@ wrote: If people are not rounding, it is because it is not blissful any more. If it is not blissful, it is because the Purity of the Teaching has been lost. The Invincible America program has made additions to improve it, but have taken away from the purity of the teaching, which lies in its simplicity. In the good old days, when people paid to round, it was because it was simple. One round, then the ding of a bell, then a second deeper round. Now it is improved by asking for a meaningless show of hands for Number 1 experiences. Then an international conference call, listening to mostly unenlightened mood making. Most people love a Puja on special occasions. But every day? It loses its specialness. Keep in mind that it was not Maharishi who added the Puja. It was added after his passing away, then became institutionalized. Then there is the stupid Heaven Is Descending jingle, which flies in the face of the organization's claim that TM is not a religion. The program drags out so long, people have to eat between rounds. So during their second round, their bodies are digesting - or sleeping. Better to simplify the program back to the basics. Better to get the rounding done by 11:00 so the participants can stabilize. Better yet then can do some job, or start a business, to become financially self sufficient. Currently many of them are cultivating a life style of being dependent, sleeping until noon, and will be unable to work if the grant ends. While I understand the passion and the sincerity behind your comments, I have to admit that my reaction upon reading a description of what IA consists of is, People are still DOING this shit? WTF? Pure or impure, this is all so yesterday, so Do these people still *believe* this stuff? that I cannot identify. I guess it's all still of interest if you believe in the theory behind it, or in the guy who sold you that theory, but that's not me, so I'm still stuck on WTF? I would imagine that 99.% of the world's popu- lation would join me in a mighty refrain of WTF?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Program lost purity of the Teaching through improvements
So, Allen, how many people show up, in total, each morning and each evening at the Domes? And, have you contacted John H and expressed your concerns about the lengthy half-time show? How do people have the time to devote an entire morning to this every day? Is everyone retired? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, allanrosenzweig allanrosenzweig@... wrote: The Invincible America Program also loses participants through improvements to the basics. People literally have to be paid to sit through such a boring program. Better to cut out the non-essential half time (show of hands, experiences, commentary, puja, jingle, eating brunch, chatting) and get MORE people in the Dome who really enjoy doing the rounding - and would do so for free - or even pay to do it in a group. The program is not building strong enough people to build a sustainable community. If the Settle Grant had to stop for whatever reason, how many of the recipients could or would continue doing the long program? How many of them built up enough creative intelligence to support themselves in Fairfield and keep the numbers up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, allanrosenzweig allanrosenzweig@ wrote: If people are not rounding, it is because it is not blissful any more. If it is not blissful, it is because the Purity of the Teaching has been lost. The Invincible America program has made additions to improve it, but have taken away from the purity of the teaching, which lies in its simplicity. In the good old days, when people paid to round, it was because it was simple. One round, then the ding of a bell, then a second deeper round. Now it is improved by asking for a meaningless show of hands for Number 1 experiences. Then an international conference call, listening to mostly unenlightened mood making. Most people love a Puja on special occasions. But every day? It loses its specialness. Keep in mind that it was not Maharishi who added the Puja. It was added after his passing away, then became institutionalized. Then there is the stupid Heaven Is Descending jingle, which flies in the face of the organization's claim that TM is not a religion. The program drags out so long, people have to eat between rounds. So during their second round, their bodies are digesting - or sleeping. Better to simplify the program back to the basics. Better to get the rounding done by 11:00 so the participants can stabilize. Better yet then can do some job, or start a business, to become financially self sufficient. Currently many of them are cultivating a life style of being dependent, sleeping until noon, and will be unable to work if the grant ends. While I understand the passion and the sincerity behind your comments, I have to admit that my reaction upon reading a description of what IA consists of is, People are still DOING this shit? WTF? Pure or impure, this is all so yesterday, so Do these people still *believe* this stuff? that I cannot identify. I guess it's all still of interest if you believe in the theory behind it, or in the guy who sold you that theory, but that's not me, so I'm still stuck on WTF? I would imagine that 99.% of the world's popu- lation would join me in a mighty refrain of WTF?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America every day now maharishi effekt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, can the broadcast be found on the internet? Yes, Jai Guru Dev Peter, Check the web link: http://khoe.org/ Look around on that. -Doug in FF --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: How long is the tmorg going to keep up their pretensions? Functioning from the home of all the laws of nature? More accurately stated would be Functioning from a *faint awareness* of the home of all the laws of nature, that would at least be honest! something the Tmorg has been struggling with since they assumed the title of World Saviors.. Billy, interesting you pick up on this. Seems folks left in the TMmovement think they are forming up and heading out on the move. Or they hope they are. Locally we have a low-power FM radio from the campus that broadcasts recordings feeds of the recent goings on. I find it real interesting to listen to their `latest' thinking as i work otherwise.Lot of movement hitters are back in Fairfield for the graduation ceremonies recently. Bevan spoke for about 45minutes over the heads of folks at the MSAE graduation. He obviously felt it an important opportunity for him to talk. You know, as the prime- minister of the movment and president of the university. TMmovement doing a seeming full-court pr on being the 'most widely practiced most researched meditation technique' out there in the world that is worth any while. The strong inference of course is that nobody else is doing anything spiritually significant. TM is the most and only. Strong spiritual superiority complex.Vaj or Newmorning would love it all to listen to or go completely crazy on all the meta-researching studies to assert argument and postition. The presentations essentially are for an internal consumption to make those left feel like all things Maharishi and TM are significant with gravity. The programming schedule and the language-ing of the presentations is real interesting cult study to hear. Today I heard Bevan assessing initiations of new mediators last month and the hope for the future. Bevan as spokesperson, who presided over the dismantling and decline of the teaching TMmovement all through the 1980's 90's to present. Bevan as president of the decline of MIU/MUM most all of those years too. Bevan thus, while only four sixth grade girls are moving towards upper school, going on for next year at Maharishi School. (where some few years ago there were 70) As also veteran MSAE staff is again are consolidated leaving. The long down-size. the meditating community still waiting for these spokesperson to describe how it is that `moral reasoning' is improved by the practice of TM and how it is that TM has improved their own moral reasoning, by example. They think they are moving on with something significant and giving it a spirited go. Hopefully they won't trip over their spiritual arrogance. I wish them well. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF om
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America every day now maharishi effekt ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html There is NO Maharishi Effect unless and until all 2000 are in Samadhi when doing their program! And since there is NO way to qualify or quantify such a condition John Hagelin's theory will always be just that! There is NO 'constant' to work with, get it? Even making hamburgers requires quality control, but with the tmorg it is assumed! For instance, how many 'Siddhas' are taking Bi-Polar medication? How many just fall asleep every time they do program in the domes? How many are just spiritually dull or have chronic health problems? I mean an eight grader could see the flaws in this suggestion; and MMY calls 'Bush' the drug man...with functional holes...unable to be taught!! Ha, ha..I think MMY was just a bitter old Yogi who didn't get his way!! Whaa, whaa! Oh, by the way, TM isn't a Religion, and of course a steering wheel isn't a car either!gads, gage me with a spoon! How long is the tmorg going to keep up their pretensions? Functioning from the home of all the laws of nature? More accurately stated would be Functioning from a *faint awareness* of the home of all the laws of nature, that would at least be honest! something the Tmorg has been struggling with since they assumed the title of World Saviors..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America every day now maharishi effekt ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long is the tmorg going to keep up their pretensions? Functioning from the home of all the laws of nature? More accurately stated would be Functioning from a *faint awareness* of the home of all the laws of nature, that would at least be honest! something the Tmorg has been struggling with since they assumed the title of World Saviors.. Billy, interesting you pick up on this. Seems folks left in the TMmovement think they are forming up and heading out on the move. Or they hope they are. Locally we have a low-power FM radio from the campus that broadcasts recordings feeds of the recent goings on. I find it real interesting to listen to their `latest' thinking as i work otherwise.Lot of movement hitters are back in Fairfield for the graduation ceremonies recently. Bevan spoke for about 45minutes over the heads of folks at the MSAE graduation. He obviously felt it an important opportunity for him to talk. You know, as the prime- minister of the movment and president of the university. TMmovement doing a seeming full-court pr on being the 'most widely practiced most researched meditation technique' out there in the world that is worth any while. The strong inference of course is that nobody else is doing anything spiritually significant. TM is the most and only. Strong spiritual superiority complex.Vaj or Newmorning would love it all to listen to or go completely crazy on all the meta-researching studies to assert argument and postition. The presentations essentially are for an internal consumption to make those left feel like all things Maharishi and TM are significant with gravity. The programming schedule and the language-ing of the presentations is real interesting cult study to hear. Today I heard Bevan assessing initiations of new mediators last month and the hope for the future. Bevan as spokesperson, who presided over the dismantling and decline of the teaching TMmovement all through the 1980's 90's to present. Bevan as president of the decline of MIU/MUM most all of those years too. Bevan thus, while only four sixth grade girls are moving towards upper school, going on for next year at Maharishi School. (where some few years ago there were 70) As also veteran MSAE staff is again are consolidated leaving. The long down-size. the meditating community still waiting for these spokesperson to describe how it is that `moral reasoning' is improved by the practice of TM and how it is that TM has improved their own moral reasoning, by example. They think they are moving on with something significant and giving it a spirited go. Hopefully they won't trip over their spiritual arrogance. I wish them well. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America-Indexing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Invincible America: Call to action; July 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 Except, ejected August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 Except rejected, August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 Rejected: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108731 Yogic flyer ad, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/117667 Des Moines Reg. 8-2006 article, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/119862 Can't find, the 190 Million. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/117466 Invincible America Course 10-2006; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/120103 Can't get the numbers needed Oct 2006: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/113629 Om on the Range (Washington Post) Thread http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/123603 Pundits arriving Nov 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/122802 Pity, the Poor Pundit, April 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/138226 Invincible America Course, April 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/138230 Invincible America, the numbers, April 2007: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/137558 Invincible America, course numbers June 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/141603 Journalistic FF, April 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139997 MMY, the TMOrg and Feminism (thread) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/156949 Marketing Gurus Comparative article; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132348 Fairfield TM connection to the subject: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132395 Marketing Science: Creationism and Maharishi's SCI http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151352 Maharishi's Legacy, summer 2007 thread http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/147313 Guru Dev, 1945 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/150251 Invincible America, Sept 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/149703 TMorg Finances, October 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/150175 New TMorg Rajas, Oct 2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152941 Raja: German Invincibility Nov `07 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/154841 Link to Time article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1684582,00.htm U-tube David Lynch, Bevan Hagelin tour with the German Raja, http://nosedef.blogspot.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/154876 New Age-like Elements and the Third Reich (thread) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/155343 The TM New Age Reich (thread) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/155348 MMY, TMmovement Feminism (thread) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/156949 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/156954 Leaving the camp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157455 TMmovement statement, Dec 2007 Fairfield Ledger http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157620 The Maharishi Effect Quantum-failure essay (thread) 12.27.2007 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/159113 These posts scratch the surface. Pie in the sky horse shit for 'true believers' and cash donors.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America - Summer schedule
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Invincible America] http://invincibleamerica.org/ Summer is coming, and Southeast Iowa is filled with green fields and flowering bushes, songbirds and gentle breezes. And lots and lots of cicadas...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: The sax player left school to pursue his musical career, detouring along the way to be an assistant to one of the Beach Boys for a while. Actually there were two. Bob Williams, an undergrad, lived in the room next door to me in Pod 124, and played tenor: he got a credit on the gawdawful M.I.U. album That's the guy. Thanks. I particularly remember how Josie Batorski never stopped blasting all that Bee Gees crap Hey! Watch your mouth. We had fun dancing to that crap. There were also two other jazzers named Bob, one a piano player who had gone to Berkelee (and who played in the group), Yes, Bob Franzen. I was remiss to omit him. I didn't recall he was a Berklee man; I know Pollari is. I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time If that's the case, I want to see what the cheerleaders are wearing. Speaking of learning to meditate, is Peter Lamoureaux still around there? He was a great initiator, very honest/all scientific. The impression he made on me sent me on the way there. I toured his all-natural sthapatya-vedic home in Fairfield on a 1999 tour, but I'm not in Fairfield, and can't say if he's still there.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
Middle-class X'nity is alot more about being middle-class than it is about X'nity (and that is one thing that X'n fundamentalists and Unitarian Universalists such as myself agree about). Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time If that's the case, I want to see what the cheerleaders are wearing. They're wearing whatever they're told to wear. As Geroge Patterson, emeritus six-figure UM chaplain at the U of I, once told me (and I believe he was emphasizing his point with his index finger when he said it): The church believes in social control. Recent Activity 2 New Members Visit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Y! GeoCities Create a Web Site Easy-to-use tools. Get started now. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Middle-class X'nity is alot more about being middle-class than it is about X'nity (and that is one thing that X'n fundamentalists and Unitarian Universalists such as myself agree about). Ha! Betcha *I* am a better Unitarian Universalist than YOU are... ;-) Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time If that's the case, I want to see what the cheerleaders are wearing. They're wearing whatever they're told to wear. As Geroge Patterson, emeritus six- figure UM chaplain at the U of I, once told me (and I believe he was emphasizing his point with his index finger when he said it): The church believes in social control. Recent Activity 2 New Members Visit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Y! GeoCities Create a Web Site Easy-to-use tools. Get started now. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.
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I'm just another convert. sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Middle-class X'nity is alot more about being middle-class than it is about X'nity (and that is one thing that X'n fundamentalists and Unitarian Universalists such as myself agree about). Ha! Betcha *I* am a better Unitarian Universalist than YOU are... ;-) Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time If that's the case, I want to see what the cheerleaders are wearing. They're wearing whatever they're told to wear. As Geroge Patterson, emeritus six- figure UM chaplain at the U of I, once told me (and I believe he was emphasizing his point with his index finger when he said it): The church believes in social control. Recent Activity 2 New Members Visit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Y! GeoCities Create a Web Site Easy-to-use tools. Get started now. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just another convert. Yeah, well, I attend ALL official Uni-Uni holidays... sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick jochadw1@ wrote: Middle-class X'nity is alot more about being middle-class than it is about X'nity (and that is one thing that X'n fundamentalists and Unitarian Universalists such as myself agree about). Ha! Betcha *I* am a better Unitarian Universalist than YOU are... ;-) Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time If that's the case, I want to see what the cheerleaders are wearing. They're wearing whatever they're told to wear. As Geroge Patterson, emeritus six- figure UM chaplain at the U of I, once told me (and I believe he was emphasizing his point with his index finger when he said it): The church believes in social control. Recent Activity 2 New Members Visit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Y! GeoCities Create a Web Site Easy-to-use tools. Get started now. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
I know one of my favorite UU holiday memories was one Christmas in the 80's when the wealthy (and, as I recall, somewhat older and generally female) TM contingent at 1st Unitarian in Providence (R.I.) were threatening to remove Tom Ahlburn from the pulpit because he was irritating them so with his faux-Buddhist ways: a joyful Christmas time was had by all (just like here at FairfieldLife). sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just another convert. Yeah, well, I attend ALL official Uni-Uni holidays... sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick jochadw1@ wrote: Middle-class X'nity is alot more about being middle-class than it is about X'nity (and that is one thing that X'n fundamentalists and Unitarian Universalists such as myself agree about). Ha! Betcha *I* am a better Unitarian Universalist than YOU are... ;-) Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time If that's the case, I want to see what the cheerleaders are wearing. They're wearing whatever they're told to wear. As Geroge Patterson, emeritus six- figure UM chaplain at the U of I, once told me (and I believe he was emphasizing his point with his index finger when he said it): The church believes in social control. Recent Activity 2 New Members Visit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Y! GeoCities Create a Web Site Easy-to-use tools. Get started now. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask for any proof of the validity of their experiences. A lot of people have been claiming to see Krishna during the sidhis. I asked one of them how he knew it was one diety versus another. He could not - just he knew it was him. More likely, he knew this would impress some people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee douglasportee@ wrote: After the first round there a hand count of how many had Number One experiences. Bevan says that Maharishi is pleased with the increasing percentages at each location, as they report by percentage. Who does not want him to be pleased, so up go the hands. Yes, there is the cult of the culture and there is the culture of the cult. This is a good example of the culturing of the cult there. Not uncommon to run in to folk here who say they do like meditating up there in the domes but that they do leave there directly before the talking heads get going after meditating. I like listening to the radio broadcasts of the meetings. Have one radio on 24/7 to the campus radio. The speech-ifying is full of powerful shaping cult-ivating language and thoughts. They work it hard. Beven and John are incredible at working to incite the loyal tru-believer and hold that crowd there. Is a study in propaganda manking and they work it hard to pull all the words and strings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Interestingly, they have not gotten above critical levels for AM/PM on sustained basis yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask for any proof of the validity of their experiences. A lot of people have been claiming to see Krishna during the sidhis. I asked one of them how he knew it was one diety versus another. He could not - just he knew it was him. More likely, he knew this would impress some people. What did he mean by see, and btw, how do you know it's still your mantra while your meditating?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the Dome, I have seen too many guys sleeping, then getting up to go to the bath room, then come back, and raise their hands that they had Number One experiences. At lease some must have been doing Number Two in there. If they're going at the same time, for all we know they might even have been doing Number Three.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to moo
douglasportee writessnipped: It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask for any proof of the validity of their experiences. Tom T: On the other hand many here have been so brow beat with the those who know don't say that they need a swift kick in the butt to get them to see that which has been there forever. Most here in FF are looking for the big hit type of awakening like Eckhart Tolle or Byron Katie. Most here are what the waking down folks call oozzers. They have kind of slid into it so gradual they deserve to be prodded to look carefuly at what has been available for a long time. Whatever it takes to get them off the path and settled into their natural state is appropriate after 35 to 40 years on the path. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to moo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: douglasportee writessnipped: It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask for any proof of the validity of their experiences. Tom T: On the other hand many here have been so brow beat with the those who know don't say that they need a swift kick in the butt to get them to see that which has been there forever. Most here in FF are looking for the big hit type of awakening like Eckhart Tolle or Byron Katie. Most here are what the waking down folks call oozzers. They have kind of slid into it so gradual they deserve to be prodded to look carefuly at what has been available for a long time. Whatever it takes to get them off the path and settled into their natural state is appropriate after 35 to 40 years on the path. Tom I agree with you if the experiences being reported are real. If they are not, and what these people are reporting is what they are *expected* to report, then I would say that this is a mechanism for settling into the natural state of lying -- to themselves and to others. We don't know. The experiences being reported are subjective, and as such we will *never* know. When it comes to reports of realization, I'm willing to cut the reporters some slack. If I can experience it, *anyone* can. When it comes to reports of seeing Devas, especially when Devas are the New Hot Thing To Be Reported, and Where You Want To Be To Be Happening In The TM Movement, I cut less slack.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to moo
I have nothing new to add to the thread. It's just that I cracked myself up when I read the Subject line and realized what it had been shortened to. I read, Invincible America Course - pressure to moo, and the first thing that popped into my head was a vision of Bevan standing up in the dome trying to talk the Sidhas into chanting Moo in unison. And them going for it. Cracked me right up. Just had to share. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask for any proof of the validity of their experiences. A lot of people have been claiming to see Krishna during the sidhis. I asked one of them how he knew it was one diety versus another. He could not - just he knew it was him. More likely, he knew this would impress some people. I saw Krishna once after doing the siddhis but I think it was all the candy I was eating, more than the siddhis. But it was Him, flute and all...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to moo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: douglasportee writessnipped: It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask for any proof of the validity of their experiences. Tom T: On the other hand many here have been so brow beat with the those who know don't say that they need a swift kick in the butt to get them to see that which has been there forever. Most here in FF are looking for the big hit type of awakening like Eckhart Tolle or Byron Katie. Most here are what the waking down folks call oozzers. They have kind of slid into it so gradual they deserve to be prodded to look carefuly at what has been available for a long time. Whatever it takes to get them off the path and settled into their natural state is appropriate after 35 to 40 years on the path. Tom Sssh!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Beven and John are incredible at working to incite the loyal tru- believer and hold that crowd there. Is a study in propaganda manking and they work it hard to pull all the words and strings. Even during my MIU days I realized I needed regular reassurance about attending MIU. I needed the reinforcement; otherwise, I would have been more uncomfortable than I was about borrowing money to spend extra years in college to have a funny- sounding school on my resume. That said, regular reinforcement is a necessary component of any outside-the-mainstream position. It's like food - in the absence of regular energy inputs, a system will succumb to entropy, and blend with its surroungings. That's not necessarily good or bad. It's simple physics. I see this principle everywhere people aspire to rise above mediocrity, whether that energy comes in the form of continuing education credits, professional conferences or church attendance. I'm sure much of this craving for energy inputs is simply feeding the ego in the Robert Perry sense of the word, the ego being an artificial construct maintained by attacking others. But it also makes sense from a more innocent perspective. I imagine a fair amount of activity here at Fairfield Life is for the purpose of reinforcing positions - for making the individual right. If that's the case, it's tough to condemn the MUM crowd for doing essentially the same thing.
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Patrick, I remember you at M.I.U. - you were a year or two ahead of me - and you were the absolute epitome of the tall-guy-in-the-shirt-and-tie: always upbeat, positive outlooking, a real leader. Susan Levin was my small group advisor for awhile and certainly I thought she was the bomb: from her came compassionate, insightful advice often everyday. What great teachers! Weinless - mathematics Ph.D. from M.I.T. at 19. Domash. Art and Elaine Aron - for sensitive people indeed (do read her books). (And then don't forget the Bleach Boys). Michael (I can't remember his last name) taught rhythmic dictation for a .5 credit at night (I beliveve Linda.Egnes was in that class) and then brought his guitar teacher - Chuck Wayne, for garsh sakes! - in one night to play to us. Ali Akbar Kahn - Ravi Shankar's elder and teacher - played the snack bar (or somewhere, I can't remember - maybe it was the old gym). The bars in town even started serving Coors into all us of-age eighteenyearolds (and who was going to catch us, Dennis Raimondi?) What a great time. All those incredible science courses taught by real, serious types like biologist David Wong. Even Bargerstock was funny. John Richter, Spinoza himself. And at the end of the day - Harry Pavelka to swear at us and tell us to shut the f-up. The school I transferred to took every credit in trade. It was worth every cent. Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Beven and John are incredible at working to incite the loyal tru- believer and hold that crowd there. Is a study in propaganda manking and they work it hard to pull all the words and strings. Even during my MIU days I realized I needed regular reassurance about attending MIU. I needed the reinforcement; otherwise, I would have been more uncomfortable than I was about borrowing money to spend extra years in college to have a funny- sounding school on my resume. That said, regular reinforcement is a necessary component of any outside-the-mainstream position. It's like food - in the absence of regular energy inputs, a system will succumb to entropy, and blend with its surroungings. That's not necessarily good or bad. It's simple physics. I see this principle everywhere people aspire to rise above mediocrity, whether that energy comes in the form of continuing education credits, professional conferences or church attendance. I'm sure much of this craving for energy inputs is simply feeding the ego in the Robert Perry sense of the word, the ego being an artificial construct maintained by attacking others. But it also makes sense from a more innocent perspective. I imagine a fair amount of activity here at Fairfield Life is for the purpose of reinforcing positions - for making the individual right. If that's the case, it's tough to condemn the MUM crowd for doing essentially the same thing. - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick, I remember you at M.I.U. - you were a year or two ahead of me - and you were the absolute epitome of the tall-guy-in-the-shirt-and-tie: always upbeat, positive outlooking, a real leader. Susan Levin was my small group advisor for awhile and certainly I thought she was the bomb: from her came compassionate, insightful advice often everyday. What great teachers! Weinless - mathematics Ph.D. from M.I.T. at 19. Domash. Art and Elaine Aron - for sensitive people indeed (do read her books). (And then don't forget the Bleach Boys). Michael (I can't remember his last name) taught rhythmic dictation for a .5 credit at night (I beliveve Linda.Egnes was in that class) and then brought his guitar teacher - Chuck Wayne, for garsh sakes! - in one night to play to us. Ali Akbar Kahn - Ravi Shankar's elder and teacher - played the snack bar (or somewhere, I can't remember - maybe it was the old gym). The bars in town even started serving Coors into all us of-age eighteenyearolds (and who was going to catch us, Dennis Raimondi?) What a great time. All those incredible science courses taught by real, serious types like biologist David Wong. Even Bargerstock was funny. John Richter, Spinoza himself. And at the end of the day - Harry Pavelka to swear at us and tell us to shut the f-up. The school I transferred to took every credit in trade. It was worth every cent. Sounds like a wonderful time!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
Comments interleaved below. --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: Patrick, I remember you at M.I.U. - you were a year or two ahead of me - and you were the absolute epitome of the tall-guy-in-the-shirt- and-tie: always upbeat, positive outlooking, a real leader. Hey, thanks, Jonathan. Michael (I can't remember his last name) Baxter? taught rhythmic dictation for a .5 credit ... and then brought his guitar teacher - Chuck Wayne, for garsh sakes! - in one night to play to us. He played with Scott Esedom on drums and Greg Pollari on bass, but God forgive me for forgetting the wailin' sax player who led the group. On Saturday nights they'd pack into a room in the library basement and jam away. The sax player left school to pursue his musical career, detouring along the way to be an assistant to one of the Beach Boys for a while. Greg went on to be one of the lead engineers in the development of consumer global positioning systems. He lives in Cedar Rapids. Ali Akbar Kahn - Ravi Shankar's elder and teacher - played the snack bar (or somewhere, I can't remember - maybe it was the old gym). Yup. The Fieldhouse. John Richter, Spinoza himself. That's the truth. He's the guy who extracted from Vedic texts the calculations necessary to build Tim Fitz-Randolph's Vedic Observatory. What did you go on to do, Jonathan?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. --- Jonathan Chadwick wrote: Patrick, I remember you at M.I.U. - you were a year or two ahead of me - and you were the absolute epitome of the tall-guy-in-the-shirt- and-tie: always upbeat, positive outlooking, a real leader. Hey, thanks, Jonathan. Michael (I can't remember his last name) Baxter? taught rhythmic dictation for a .5 credit ... and then brought his guitar teacher - Chuck Wayne, for garsh sakes! - in one night to play to us. He played with Scott Esedom on drums and Greg Pollari on bass, but God forgive me for forgetting the wailin' sax player who led the group. On Saturday nights they'd pack into a room in the library basement and jam away. The sax player left school to pursue his musical career, detouring along the way to be an assistant to one of the Beach Boys for a while. Actually there were two. Bob Williams, an undergrad, lived in the room next door to me in Pod 124, and played tenor: he got a credit on the gawdawful M.I.U. album (actually, Brian Wilson's Diane is a really good song). The other (older) guy, who had faculty status, played soprano: he and Bob made me a reel-to-reel of a gig which I took home at Christmas. Now Bob is good, but that guy can really play. (I think it was Bob who went on the road, eh?) There was also another monster piano player around, John somebody, who gave up a three hundred dollar a week gig (alot then!) to come to M.I.U. with his cute girlfriend: we escaped the torrents of biophysics and such by seeing Annie Hall in Iowa City and maybe also Travolta Dancing in Ottumwa (when I moved to live in the big building at break I particularly remember how Josie Batorski never stopped blasting all that Bee Gees crap). There were also two other jazzers named Bob, one a piano player who had gone to Berkelee (and who played in the group), and another guy Bob from Deleware (who gave me a ride to the coast at Christmas in his VW) who played cello, I think, and who loved Bartok and Gentle Giant really knew his stuff. I'm sure if we find a yearbook or two - we had to have our pictures taken, it was evolutionary, right? - we could figure it out. Greg went on to be one of the lead engineers in the development of consumer global positioning systems. He lives in Cedar Rapids. Ali Akbar Kahn - Ravi Shankar's elder and teacher - played the snack bar (or somewhere, I can't remember - maybe it was the old gym). Yup. The Fieldhouse. John Richter, Spinoza himself. That's the truth. He's the guy who extracted from Vedic texts the calculations necessary to build Tim Fitz-Randolph's Vedic Observatory. What did you go on to do, Jonathan? I went to grad school under the great J.N. Findlay at Boston University (you may remember that Ken Chandler, who also studied with John, brought Findlay to Fairfield in 1980 - there's a great film of that in the M.U.M. library if it is not on the index yet). I've also held alot of adjunct and temporary teaching contracts and minor administrative positions (most of them sort of crappy) at like 8 colleges/universities (probably the best gig was as an asst. prof. of phil. at Creighton); but it's been fun. I also once managed to get myself ordained as an elder and ministerial member in full connection in the Iowa Conference of Untied Methoditsm, but gave that up (I never want to say anything bad about the church - the church really created me as a kid - but (as Findlay would phrase it) I'm very sorry to have to say that mainline X'nity after all is the spiritual high school of our place and time (I already knew that I really did). That's why at 16 I started TM . . . Speaking of learning to meditate, is Peter Lamoureaux still around there? He was a great initiator, very honest/all scientific. The impression he made on me sent me on the way there. P.s. Jim Hanke, the current Cedar Rapids U.M.C. District Superintendent (and who chaired my ordination committee) once paid me the tribute of saying getting you in made made eight years on the Board of Ministry worth it. Paul Akin, now Senior Minister at 1st U.M.C. in Iowa City, also served on my committee, but we busted one another's chops pretty good. Don't ever be afraid to approach those guys - go have a beer with 'em! Messages in this topic (19) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 1 New Members Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the first round there a hand count of how many had Number One experiences. Bevan says that Maharishi is pleased with the increasing percentages at each location, as they report by percentage. Who does not want him to be pleased, so up go the hands. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Interestingly, they have not gotten above critical levels for AM/PM on sustained basis yet. Kinda low-key moodmaking, IMHO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the first round there a hand count of how many had Number One experiences. Bevan says that Maharishi is pleased with the increasing percentages at each location, as they report by percentage. Who does not want him to be pleased, so up go the hands. Not having any Number One experiences, are you? Doesn't mean that no one is. Also, hasn't the Movement evolved at all? I find it hard to believe that no one doing these powerful techniques is having any good experiences. Sure, there will be those like in any group who want to belong, and so will exaggerate their experience, but to say there is still a lot of mood making going on seems unlikely. I'd sure like to hear the opinions of any in Fairfield on this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
In the Dome, I have seen too many guys sleeping, then getting up to go to the bath room, then come back, and raise their hands that they had Number One experiences. At lease some must have been doing Number Two in there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee douglasportee@ wrote: After the first round there a hand count of how many had Number One experiences. Bevan says that Maharishi is pleased with the increasing percentages at each location, as they report by percentage. Who does not want him to be pleased, so up go the hands. Not having any Number One experiences, are you? Doesn't mean that no one is. Also, hasn't the Movement evolved at all? I find it hard to believe that no one doing these powerful techniques is having any good experiences. Sure, there will be those like in any group who want to belong, and so will exaggerate their experience, but to say there is still a lot of mood making going on seems unlikely. I'd sure like to hear the opinions of any in Fairfield on this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the first round there a hand count of how many had Number One experiences. Bevan says that Maharishi is pleased with the increasing percentages at each location, as they report by percentage. Who does not want him to be pleased, so up go the hands. Yes, there is the cult of the culture and there is the culture of the cult. This is a good example of the culturing of the cult there. Not uncommon to run in to folk here who say they do like meditating up there in the domes but that they do leave there directly before the talking heads get going after meditating. I like listening to the radio broadcasts of the meetings. Have one radio on 24/7 to the campus radio. The speech-ifying is full of powerful shaping cult-ivating language and thoughts. They work it hard. Beven and John are incredible at working to incite the loyal tru-believer and hold that crowd there. Is a study in propaganda manking and they work it hard to pull all the words and strings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Interestingly, they have not gotten above critical levels for AM/PM on sustained basis yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course - pressure to mood make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the Dome, I have seen too many guys sleeping, then getting up to go to the bath room, then come back, and raise their hands that they had Number One experiences. At lease some must have been doing Number Two in there. Ha-Ha! Thanks for the specifics. I'm not there so can't how many are jumping on the bandwagon... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, douglasportee douglasportee@ wrote: After the first round there a hand count of how many had Number One experiences. Bevan says that Maharishi is pleased with the increasing percentages at each location, as they report by percentage. Who does not want him to be pleased, so up go the hands. Not having any Number One experiences, are you? Doesn't mean that no one is. Also, hasn't the Movement evolved at all? I find it hard to believe that no one doing these powerful techniques is having any good experiences. Sure, there will be those like in any group who want to belong, and so will exaggerate their experience, but to say there is still a lot of mood making going on seems unlikely. I'd sure like to hear the opinions of any in Fairfield on this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: What's in Store for America?
Taking claim, are there no other places that have been doing these spiritual practices like TM with an interest since the summer? Seems that the world tensions of the mideast/Lebenon/Iraq/Iran/Nkorea caught the attention of a lot of people and their spiritual practices otherwise, not just MMY. For instance, did not the Art of Living folks/ShriShriRS have large group meditations, with some millions in India this summer? By the sequence of events and the scale of numbers, would it be more likely that the run of positivity was done by other events like the SSRS meditations happening other than the way the TMorg is promoting it? Are there no other spiritual practice communities like FF meditating or doing spiritual practice regularly with numbers? (Is MMY and FF the only show on earth doing these things at this time as they would lead one to believe?) -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.invincibleamerica.org/press/2006_10_25.htmlhttp://www.in vincibleamerica.org/press/2006_10_25.html http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20061024/OPINION01/610240376/1036 http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20061024/OPINION01/610240376/1036DES MOINES REGISTER COLUMNIST http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20061024/OPINION01/610240376/1036Marc Hansen: Iowa meditators shield Lebanon, rally stocks http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20061024/OPINION01/610240376/1036October 24, 2006 ... It's important to challenge mainstream thinking. You don't want to be the guy who told Guglielmo Marconi there was no future in wireless communications. The man in charge of the 'Invincible America Course' is John Hagelin, a quantum physicist who graduated summa cum laude from Dartmouth, earned a doctorate from Harvard and was a researcher at Stanford before moving to Fairfield and becoming the director of the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy at the Maharishi University of Management... (http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20061024/OPINION01/610240376/1036MORE) PRESS CONFERENCE WHAT'S IN STORE FOR AMERICA? Quantum Physicist John Hagelin to Announce Bold Predictions for the United States- Based on the Success of the Invincible America Assembly at Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa GLOBAL PRESS CONFERENCE Wednesday, November 1 11 AM U.S. Eastern Daylight Time Live Internet Webcast: http://www.MOU.orgwww.MOU.org Dow to continue bull market surge towards 15,000 Oil prices will continue to fall to below $45 a barrel North Korea, Iran standoffs to be peacefully resolved Dramatic reduction of violence in Iraq Violent crime to decrease 20 percent nationwide PRESS RELEASE Group of 1200 Advanced Meditators in Iowa Improving U.S. Economic, Social, and Climatic Trends The current 14-week run of unexpected good economic, social, and even climatic news in America is about to get much, much better, according to quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin, who is directing the Invincible America Assembly-the largest scientific demonstration project ever to monitor the effects of a group of 1200 advanced Transcendental Meditation experts on national trends. The scientific demonstration project, now in its fourth month, is being held at Maharishi University of Management and Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. Dr. Hagelin said the number of experts is about to rise to 1500. His predictions include: a surge in the bull Dow market towards 15,000 a drop in oil prices to below $45 a barrel falling unemployment rates rising consumer and investor confidence a 20% drop nationwide in violent crime a peaceful resolution of the standoffs with North Korea and Iran, and a dramatic reduction in violence in Iraq and of greatest interest to the Republicans and Democrats: the party that wins the November elections will be in a position to hold onto power indefinitely Prediction based on a scientific formula Dr. Hagelin's upbeat assessment is not based on hope or a hunch. Rather, it is based on a solid track record of published empirical research-along with the most advanced principles of physics, physiology, and neuroscience. The research shows that whenever a large number of peace-creating experts-about the square root of one percent of the population of a nation-practice the Transcendental Meditation-Yogic Flying technique together in a group, negative trends, such as crime and violence, decrease, and positive economic and social trends are strengthened throughout the entire population. Scientists named this phenomenon the Maharishi Effect after His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the renowned Vedic scholar who founded the Transcendental Meditation program, and who predicted the beneficial impact of group
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: What's in Store for America?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking claim, are there no other places that have been doing these spiritual practices like TM with an interest since the summer? Seems that the world tensions of the mideast/Lebenon/Iraq/Iran/Nkorea caught the attention of a lot of people and their spiritual practices otherwise, not just MMY. For instance, did not the Art of Living folks/ShriShriRS have large group meditations, with some millions in India this summer? By the sequence of events and the scale of numbers, would it be more likely that the run of positivity was done by other events like the SSRS meditations happening other than the way the TMorg is promoting it? Are there no other spiritual practice communities like FF meditating or doing spiritual practice regularly with numbers? (Is MMY and FF the only show on earth doing these things at this time as they would lead one to believe?) The only group bothering to document and publicize their numbers, at least. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: Taking credit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, how many people at Ammachi's living there doing spiritual practice/meditation in groups? Some few more than the TMO during these times? Everything has an influence. Somethings perhaps have more than the IA project (and its an open question if that has substantial or trivial effect). Church, temple, and mosque services I suggest have a coherence effect -- more than TMO, Amma, SSRI, etc. combined. All groups deserve credit. However, if the project is on the margin, one that shifts things past the tipping point, that project will have a special role, even if it is less powerful than long-ongoing other coherence projects by other groups. Not to say the IA project IS that marginal project, taking things to the tipping point. But the stock market results (which has substantially broken above its trading range), oil and gold prices decreases, lack of hurricanes this season, and the potential reversal of both houses of congress, are at least an intersting coincidence -- worthy of further monitoring of the IA. For example, if both houses of congress reverse leadership, and the SP 500 goes up another 10-15 by the end of the year, a firmer ground and reasoning for looking seriously at IA ME as the marginal tipping point project will be established. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: Taking credit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Taking claim, are there no other places that have been doing these spiritual practices like TM with an interest since the summer? Seems that the world tensions of the mideast/Lebenon/Iraq/Iran/Nkorea caught the attention of a lot of people and their spiritual practices otherwise, not just MMY. For instance, how many people at Ammachi's living there doing spiritual practice/meditation in groups? Some few more than the TMO during these times? Any evidence that Ammachi's techniques do the same thing as TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: Taking credit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: For instance, how many people at Ammachi's living there doing spiritual practice/meditation in groups? Some few more than the TMO during these times? Everything has an influence. Somethings perhaps have more than the IA project (and its an open question if that has substantial or trivial effect). Church, temple, and mosque services I suggest have a coherence effect -- more than TMO, Amma, SSRI, etc. combined. All groups deserve credit. Some groups far more than others. Your average church, temple and so on service, regardless of religion or culture, is a piss-poor generator of coherence, IMHO. If that were NOT the case, you wouldn't have so many violent church-goers throughout all of modern history. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: MAHARISHI TO DELIVER SPECIAL ADDRESS TO AMERICA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love MMY. He's Blazing Brahman, but this gets a big yawn from me. Correction: he's Blazing Brahman Thingy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: MAHARISHI TO DELIVER SPECIAL ADDRESS TO AMERICA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love MMY. He's Blazing Brahman, but this gets a big yawn from me. --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is 'Vedic America', and an 'American Raja'? 'Three Crucial National Conference Calls','heroic efforts' such hyperbole. It sounds like a comic book. How easily the USA moves from 'scorpion #2' to 'Invincible America' JohnY http://invincibleamerica.org/unsubscribe/Click here to unsubscribe Mobilizing America to Rise to Invincibility MAHARISHI TO DELIVER A SPECIAL MESSAGE TO THE NATION Wed, Sept., 27 * Thurs., Sept. 28 * Sun., Oct. 1 9:00 EDT * 8:00 CDT * 9:00 MDT * 8:00 PDT Telephone: 512-225-3019-and Then Enter the Code 60345# His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin, His Excellency Dr. Bevan Morris, Dr. Robert Wynne, Raja of Vedic America, and All Other American Rajas To Speak During This Series of Three Crucial National Conference Calls A massive global undertaking is now in progress to mobilize America to rise to invincibility right now-without any delay. For this, full scholarships are being provided for all Yogic Flyers to attend the Invincible America Course in Maharishi Vedic City. Construction is moving ahead at the fastest possible speed to build comfortable Vastu housing for everyone in Maharishi Vedic City. In the meantime, comfortable temporary housing, delicious food, and spacious flying facilities are available for every Sidha who comes to the Invincible America Course. Maharishi has been satisfied to hear of these heroic efforts, and recently declared: We'll have an invincible America soon-and that will be a blessing for the whole world. All your efforts are very satisfactory. Continue patiently and peacefully. You are urged to connect in to these three national conference calls to hear the late-breaking developments and opportunities. Please tell your Meditating and Sidha friends to call in as well! Jai Guru Dev __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America: MAHARISHI TO DELIVER SPECIAL ADDRESS TO AMERICA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love MMY. He's Blazing Brahman, but this gets a big yawn from me. --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://invincibleamerica.org/unsubscribe/Click here to unsubscribe Mobilizing America to Rise to Invincibility [...] For this, full scholarships are being provided for all Yogic Flyers to attend the Invincible America Course in Maharishi Vedic City. Hell, my son has shown interest in attending, even, but he probably can't due to health- related issues. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the U.S. Department of State website (http://www.state.gov/t/vc/rls/rpt/wmeat/99_00/), Arms Sales by Country, 1999 Interestingly, this link is no longer functional, and searching the current Department of State website using the same title string 'Arms Sales by Country,' I have been unable to locate either this page or any like it. If anyone has more patience than I, give it a try. Otherwise, I have to think that the government of the country Maharishi wants to make invincible no longer is willing to admit its percentage of worldwide arms sales. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America?
I'm not sure where you got the idea that Israel sees itself as invincible ? Being forced to defend yourself is far from a feeling of invincibility. invincible means being able to neutralize the enemy before a war take place. Once you are in a war situation both sides have casualties, both sides lose, hence it's far from being invincible to begin with. I also doubt if Americans imagine that they are invincible after 9/11 and with today's easy access to WMD. America, and rightly so, sees itself as a superpower but that's different thing from being invincible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rant mode ON The *last* thing this planet needs is an invincible America. IMO the only good thing to come out of the Iraq invasion and the recent invasion of Lebanon is that they have demonstrated that both the United States and Israel, *far* from being invincible with their stockpiles of the latest and greatest weapons on the planet, are basically helpless when dealing with a people who believe that they are fighting for the preservation of their own country and their way of life. All that both countries have done is demonstrated their own *weakness*. It's a lesson the French finally learned in Algeria (after believing in their own invincibility for decades) and tried to convey to the US when it invaded Iraq. But it's a lesson that neither the United States or Israel seem to get. If the TM organization is going to claim that they're butt-bouncing for world peace, for chrissakes don't call the course Invincible America. What is probably fueling this stock market rise is surges in the Defense industry. To quote from a post I made in 2002: Before scrolling down, think for a moment and come up with a figure you think represents the U.S. percentage of worldwide arms sales. From the U.S. Department of State website (http://www.state.gov/t/vc/rls/rpt/wmeat/99_00/), Arms Sales by Country, 1999 (latest available [at that time, and possibly now]). The figure to the left is the ranking, figure to the right is the number of millions of dollars of sales, countries that sell 0 (less than a million) are left off. Answer to the math question -- total up the arms sales by ALL other countries on this list during 1999 and you get a combined total of 18,680 million, or only 56.6% of the arms sold by the U.S. during that same period. The United States sells 43.4% of the weapons sold on the planet. 1 United States 33,000 2 United Kingdom 5,200 3 Russia 3,100 4 France 2,900 5 Germany 1,900 6 Sweden 675 7 Israel 600 8 Australia 550 9 Canada 550 10 Ukraine 550 11 Italy 380 12 China - Mainland 320 13 Belarus 310 14 Bulgaria 200 15 Korea, North 140 16 Netherlands 140 17 Indonesia 100 18 Greece 90 19 Czech Republic 80 20 Spain 70 21 Turkey 70 22 Finland 50 23 Switzerland 50 24 Romania 40 25 Austria 30 26 Belgium 30 27 Georgia 30 28 Libya 30 29 Mexico 30 30 Poland 30 31 South Africa 30 32 Brazil 20 33 China - Taiwan 20 34 Eritrea 20 35 Japan 20 36 Korea, South 20 37 Moldova 20 38 Norway 20 39 Serbia and Montenegro 20 40 Singapore 20 41 Chile 10 42 Croatia 10 43 Denmark 10 44 Hungary 10 45 India 10 46 Iran 10 47 Kazakhstan 10 48 Pakistan 10 49 Slovakia 10 50 Uzbekistan 10 51 Philippines 5 Dylan sung his song Masters Of War about AMERICA. Nothing has changed since he sung it except that it has become more convinced of its invincible mastery. rant mode OFF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: From the U.S. Department of State website (http://www.state.gov/t/vc/rls/rpt/wmeat/99_00/), Arms Sales by Country, 1999 Interestingly, this link is no longer functional, and searching the current Department of State website using the same title string 'Arms Sales by Country,' I have been unable to locate either this page or any like it. If anyone has more patience than I, give it a try. Otherwise, I have to think that the government of the country Maharishi wants to make invincible no longer is willing to admit its percentage of worldwide arms sales. It's probably more a result of whomever is running their website has reordered where everything is on the website. The Internet Wayback Machine prevents hiding or avoiding of info once posted on the web. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you better go! Or else, the world is going to explode!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, before! --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now everyone is going to enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world. -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible America Course participants The experience of the Invincible America Course in Washington is paradise. -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington HISTORIC NEWS Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 Yogic Flyers have applied to attend the Invincible America Course, surpassing the Super Radiance requirement of 1730 for the nation. Congratulations to all those who have responded so quickly to the urgent need of the time. Now, it is vitally important that all of you who have registered for the course come quickly and fly together every day in Washington and in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City. It is also vitally important that all of you who have not yet applied please do so right away! Come as soon as you can-and stay as long as you can! PRESS REPORT FROM THE FIRST DAY Positivity Increases and Negativity Decreases The stock market is the most sensitive barometer of the national mood and of the level of confidence in the country's future. The Associated Press reported today that the stock market recorded one of its largest one-day gains of the year, with the Dow Jones skyrocketing 183 points, surpassing the key 11,000 level. CNBC national television headlined the surprising stock market upsurge with Wall Street Euphoria and Blissful Shock. CNBC added that the only blue chip stock in negative territory was the Phillip Morris cigarette company. SCHOLARSHIPS: MONEY IS NOT AN OBSTACLE! Due to the great generosity of several peace-loving donors, any Yogic Flyer who wishes to attend the Invincible America Course in Washington, D.C., may do so for as long as he or she wants! Simply apply for the Course at www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and specify your financial needs. We urge everyone to take advantage of this incredible opportunity. NOTE ON COURSE ACCEPTANCES Several people who had not received the email confirmation of their course acceptance from the Development of Consciousness Office in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City discovered that their acceptances had been routed to their spam folders. So if you are still awaiting your course acceptance, please check your spam folder. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. I agree. Personally, I attribute the subjective high to large numbers of people meditating together, and don't think that the siddhis have anything whatsoever to do with it, but I agree that large courses can be fun. Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. So IMO this will probably be the Last Big Course, even though I suspect that Maharishi will see the final numbers as disappointing. I think that may be the biggest reason many people are attending, and that they don't really believe any more that they're going to affect world conditions. They're attending out of a sense of nostalgia for the good old days and out of a lingering and quickly diminishing respect for the guy who *used* to be able to inspire them. That said, I wish all of those who have attended the best, and I hope they have a great time. At this point in TM history, those within the TMO who still have the faith to do so are far more impressive than those who are trying to exploit it. --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you better go! Or else, the world is going to explode!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, before! --- Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now everyone is going to enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world. -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible America Course participants The experience of the Invincible America Course in Washington is paradise. -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington HISTORIC NEWS Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 Yogic Flyers have applied to attend the Invincible America Course, surpassing the Super Radiance requirement of 1730 for the nation. Congratulations to all those who have responded so quickly to the urgent need of the time. Now, it is vitally important that all of you who have registered for the course come quickly and fly together every day in Washington and in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City. It is also vitally important that all of you who have not yet applied please do so right away! Come as soon as you can-and stay as long as you can! PRESS REPORT FROM THE FIRST DAY Positivity Increases and Negativity Decreases The stock market is the most sensitive barometer of the national mood and of the level of confidence in the country's future. The Associated Press reported today that the stock market recorded one of its largest one-day gains of the year, with the Dow Jones skyrocketing 183 points, surpassing the key 11,000 level. CNBC national television headlined the surprising stock market upsurge with Wall Street Euphoria and Blissful Shock. CNBC added that the only blue chip stock in negative territory was the Phillip Morris cigarette company. SCHOLARSHIPS: MONEY IS NOT AN OBSTACLE! Due to the great generosity of several peace-loving donors, any Yogic Flyer who wishes to attend the Invincible America Course in Washington, D.C., may do so for as long as he or she wants! Simply apply for the Course at www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and specify your financial needs. We urge everyone to take advantage of this incredible opportunity. NOTE ON COURSE ACCEPTANCES Several people who had not received the email confirmation of their course acceptance from the Development of Consciousness Office in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City discovered that their acceptances had been routed to their spam folders. So if you are still awaiting your course acceptance, please check your spam folder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. I agree. Personally, I attribute the subjective high to large numbers of people meditating together, and don't think that the siddhis have anything whatsoever to do with it, but I agree that large courses can be fun. Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his dual chosen successors -- a brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a huge fight between the two of them, with the sister winning out. That, along with the fact that neither of them possessed the charisma of Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today but a glimmer of what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course there's also the sexual revelation factor as well: that is, the revelations about sex that came up in a big way after his death also contributed to the loss of popularity of their movement. So this is an interesting model for what may befall the TMO after MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual revelations will be coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The difference is that Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls and MMY's alleged dalliances were with fully formed females (i.e. 18 years plus). But the other similar factor is the charisma factor. As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma? 2) Castro. As is inevitable with many Communist dictatorships, once the charismatic leader dies, the regime dies as well...doesn't always happen (witness North Korea)and may not happen with Cuba. But I always think of how once these dictatorships and regimes fall after the leader dies and how the underlings responsible for propping up the dictator during his lifetime inevitably fall back on the I had no choice line whenever they are questioned as to why they supported the horrible policies that they did when he was alive. Am I stretching it to suggest that that is precisely what certain higher-up muckety-mucks in the TMO will say when, post MMY, they are questioned as to why they supported various schemes and silliness? So IMO this will probably be the Last Big Course, even though I suspect that Maharishi will see the final numbers as disappointing. I think that may be the biggest reason many people are attending, and that they don't really believe any more that they're going to affect world conditions. They're attending out of a sense of nostalgia for the good old days and out of a lingering and quickly diminishing respect for the guy who *used* to be able to inspire them. That said, I wish all of those who have attended the best, and I hope they have a great time. At this point in TM history, those within the TMO who still have the faith to do so are far more impressive than those who are trying to exploit it. --- jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Dude, you better go! Or else, the world is going to explode!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, before! --- Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now everyone is going to enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world. -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible America Course participants The experience of the Invincible America Course in Washington is paradise. -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington HISTORIC NEWS Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 Yogic Flyers have applied to attend the Invincible America Course, surpassing the Super Radiance requirement of 1730 for the nation. Congratulations to all those who have responded so quickly to the urgent
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. Agreed- both times I had great experiences. I was at two in DC, '82 I think, when the hotel at 11th and H Sts. downtown was being converted to a TM hotel, and then in '93(?). I decided that the '93 one was my last, due to the complete lack of professional operations for registering and housing participants. It was complete chaos and nepotism. Nice to run into old friends both times also. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his dual chosen successors -- a brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a huge fight between the two of them, with the sister winning out. That, along with the fact that neither of them possessed the charisma of Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today but a glimmer of what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course there's also the sexual revelation factor as well: that is, the revelations about sex that came up in a big way after his death also contributed to the loss of popularity of their movement. So this is an interesting model for what may befall the TMO after MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual revelations will be coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The difference is that Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls and MMY's alleged dalliances were with fully formed females (i.e. 18 years plus). But the other similar factor is the charisma factor. As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma? As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will join SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 7/26/06 12:01:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the other similar factor is the "charisma factor". As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma?As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will"join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I have to agree here. SSRS has the Charisma and comes from the tradition giving the same knowledge and building on it. He's full of energy and is pursuing the same thing M has been doing all of his life. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his dual chosen successors -- a brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a huge fight between the two of them, with the sister winning out. That, along with the fact that neither of them possessed the charisma of Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today but a glimmer of what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course there's also the sexual revelation factor as well: that is, the revelations about sex that came up in a big way after his death also contributed to the loss of popularity of their movement. So this is an interesting model for what may befall the TMO after MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual revelations will be coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The difference is that Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls and MMY's alleged dalliances were with fully formed females (i.e. 18 years plus). But the other similar factor is the charisma factor. As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma? As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will join SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I think you've got something there. Sadly, the current TMO and the people involved in it are, by necessity, guru-followers (if they weren't they would have, by necessity of logic and rationality, left long ago). Without the guru figure in MMY, they will seek another out and I don't think a Nader Raam with a crown on his head and his weight in gold or a Bevan or a John makes it in that category for thoe type of folks. Throw in MMY's we are satisfied declaration and you've got, after his death, the making of a Route 66 right to SSRS's camp. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will join SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I think you've got something there. Sadly, the current TMO and the people involved in it are, by necessity, guru-followers (if they weren't they would have, by necessity of logic and rationality, left long ago). Without the guru figure in MMY, they will seek another out and I don't think a Nader Raam with a crown on his head and his weight in gold or a Bevan or a John makes it in that category for thoe type of folks. Throw in MMY's we are satisfied declaration and you've got, after his death, the making of a Route 66 right to SSRS's camp. Got to agree with Dr. Pete and Shemp here. The people who are still part of the TMO at this point pretty much need someone to tell them how to live their lives. They'll need to fill that void with someone *else* to tell them how to live their lives. I don't know much about SSRS, but if he does *not* do things that way, they'll keep looking until they find someone who does. I've seen it all before, with the people who were still TBs at the end of the Rama trip. When he died, there were two basic types of former students -- the ones who had walked away on their own before he died, and the ones who hadn't. In general, those who had chosen to take their own path have continued on it, and have *not* flocked to new gurus and and a new person to tell them how to live their lives. But those who stuck it out to the end were courting other gurus within a couple of months. And always the ones with a similar profile to Rama himself -- flashy, non- traditional, and surrounded with rumors of a certain lack of ethics with regard to their students. To his credit, one can make a case that Rama *tried* to push a lot of us away towards the end. In general, the ones who took the hint and left are doing well now, and show a great deal of balance in their lives. The ones who hung in until the bitter end (and it *was* bitter...he killed himself), equally in general, are still guru-hopping, and haven't shown much indication of being able to find their own path, or to follow someone else's with some sense of balance. It's a fascinating scene. My bet is that it's about the same in any spiritual trip that centers on a living charismatic teacher. What's even *more* fascinating is the Next Generation -- the ones who were never part of the tradition while the teacher was alive, but feel that thet they are receiving com- munications from him now that he's dead. I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of that with regard to Maharishi, both from the current TBs, and the next generation that they recruit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Peter wrote: As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will join SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. Do the Art of Living people have these big courses the way the TMO does? My wife and daughter visited Amma in Boston last week. Had a great time in the bazaar. Consulted a jyotishi. Bought jewelry. Ate good food. Got hugs. Sounded like a great time. I wouldn't mind attending a big TM-Sidhis convention like what's currently happening in Fairfield and D.C. if the party atmosphere were sufficiently joyous. If AOL could offer that, it could be fun. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his dual chosen successors -- a brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a huge fight between the two of them, with the sister winning out. That, along with the fact that neither of them possessed the charisma of Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today but a glimmer of what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course there's also the sexual revelation factor as well: that is, the revelations about sex that came up in a big way after his death also contributed to the loss of popularity of their movement. So this is an interesting model for what may befall the TMO after MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual revelations will be coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The difference is that Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls and MMY's alleged dalliances were with fully formed females (i.e. 18 years plus). But the other similar factor is the charisma factor. As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma? As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will join SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I think you've got something there. Sadly, the current TMO and the people involved in it are, by necessity, guru-followers (if they weren't they would have, by necessity of logic and rationality, left long ago). Without the guru figure in MMY, they will seek another out and I don't think a Nader Raam with a crown on his head and his weight in gold or a Bevan or a John makes it in that category for thoe type of folks. I'm not ready to write King Tony off. MMY clearly appointed him to be his successor, and for a while, at least, he probably gets a honeymoon with the guru- followers because they're going to view Nader as they were told to do by MMY, as the new leader of the TMO. Whether that will *last* depends on whether Nader has been hiding his light under a bushel, waiting for MMY to be gone. From what little I've seen of him, I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up the wattage after MMY dies and proves to be plenty charismatic in his own right. On the other hand, I won't be surprised if he doesn't, either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. Part of Fred Travis's PhD thesis was looking at interpersonal EEG coherence. He gave up on trying to replicate his study, I think. His recent discovery that there is an average ceiling effect on EEG coherence during TM practice after only a few months of practice may explain why its hard to replicate. However, I ran accross mention of an instantaneous coherence EEG algorithm that I passed on to him recently. It's conceivable that while EEG coherence averaged over 40 second intervals maxes out after ony a few months of practice, examining the coherence in much smaller intervals might allow him to reopen the investigation into inter-personal coherence. If he can do THAT, then he's well on the way to finding reliable evidence for the Maharishi Effect within a labratory setting. That means cheaply and with potential for replication by non-TMing researchers, in case you were wondering... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. I agree. Personally, I attribute the subjective high to large numbers of people meditating together, and don't think that the siddhis have anything whatsoever to do with it, but I agree that large courses can be fun. The EEG of yogic flying (before and/or after hopping --NOT during since that can't be measured as we all agree) is quite coherent at all frequencies, in many different parts of the brain. This is in contrast to the EEG during TM, which is generally coherent mostly in the alpha frequencies in the frontal lobes. That's a striking, measureable difference that correlates with people's subjective impression. Whether or not this is affected by group practice is another matter, of course. Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. Hence the recertification course, the Rajahs, etc., as Judy and I have been explaining. It creates a core group willing to play the game, even after MMY goes. There are already hundreds, if not thousands of TM teachers unwilling to play the TMO game, but the Rajah/ recert program seperates the truely committed (fanatical?) from the dilletants. So IMO this will probably be the Last Big Course, even though I suspect that Maharishi will see the final numbers as disappointing. I think that may be the biggest reason many people are attending, and that they don't really believe any more that they're going to affect world conditions. They're attending out of a sense of nostalgia for the good old days and out of a lingering and quickly diminishing respect for the guy who *used* to be able to inspire them. That said, I wish all of those who have attended the best, and I hope they have a great time. At this point in TM history, those within the TMO who still have the faith to do so are far more impressive than those who are trying to exploit it. Who is trying to exploit the TMO? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/26/06 12:01:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the other similar factor is the charisma factor. As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma? As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will join SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I have to agree here. SSRS has the Charisma and comes from the tradition giving the same knowledge and building on it. He's full of energy and is pursuing the same thing M has been doing all of his life. Not really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
Dude, you better go! Or else, the world is going to explode!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, before! --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now everyone is going to enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world. -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible America Course participants The experience of the Invincible America Course in Washington is paradise. -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington HISTORIC NEWS Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 Yogic Flyers have applied to attend the Invincible America Course, surpassing the Super Radiance requirement of 1730 for the nation. Congratulations to all those who have responded so quickly to the urgent need of the time. Now, it is vitally important that all of you who have registered for the course come quickly and fly together every day in Washington and in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City. It is also vitally important that all of you who have not yet applied please do so right away! Come as soon as you can-and stay as long as you can! PRESS REPORT FROM THE FIRST DAY Positivity Increases and Negativity Decreases The stock market is the most sensitive barometer of the national mood and of the level of confidence in the country's future. The Associated Press reported today that the stock market recorded one of its largest one-day gains of the year, with the Dow Jones skyrocketing 183 points, surpassing the key 11,000 level. CNBC national television headlined the surprising stock market upsurge with Wall Street Euphoria and Blissful Shock. CNBC added that the only blue chip stock in negative territory was the Phillip Morris cigarette company. SCHOLARSHIPS: MONEY IS NOT AN OBSTACLE! Due to the great generosity of several peace-loving donors, any Yogic Flyer who wishes to attend the Invincible America Course in Washington, D.C., may do so for as long as he or she wants! Simply apply for the Course at www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and specify your financial needs. We urge everyone to take advantage of this incredible opportunity. NOTE ON COURSE ACCEPTANCES Several people who had not received the email confirmation of their course acceptance from the Development of Consciousness Office in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City discovered that their acceptances had been routed to their spam folders. So if you are still awaiting your course acceptance, please check your spam folder. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
Hope you still have your USA Global Link stockmaybe they'll make a comeback yet ! :-/ OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, before! --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PRESS REPORT FROM THE FIRST DAY Positivity Increases and Negativity Decreases The stock market is the most sensitive barometer of the national mood and of the level of confidence in the country's future. The Associated Press reported today that the stock market recorded one of its largest one-day gains of the year, with the Dow Jones skyrocketing 183 points, surpassing the key 11,000 level. CNBC national television headlined the surprising stock market upsurge with Wall Street Euphoria and Blissful Shock. CNBC added that the only blue chip stock in negative territory was the Phillip Morris cigarette company. SCHOLARSHIPS: MONEY IS NOT AN OBSTACLE! Due to the great generosity of several peace-loving donors, any Yogic Flyer who wishes to attend the Invincible America Course in Washington, D.C., may do so for as long as he or she wants! Simply apply for the Course at www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and specify your financial needs. We urge everyone to take advantage of this incredible opportunity. NOTE ON COURSE ACCEPTANCES Several people who had not received the email confirmation of their course acceptance from the Development of Consciousness Office in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City discovered that their acceptances had been routed to their spam folders. So if you are still awaiting your course acceptance, please check your spam folder. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America course -- scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global Country of World PeaceTranslate This Article 24 July 2006 The following letter was sent from Dr John Hagelin to all practitioners of Maharishi's TM-Sidhi programme, encouraging them to join this timely course. WELL BEGUN IS HALF DONE 'Well begun is half done. Soon everyone will be floating in bliss at the junction point where the individual is Cosmicand creating a bright new destiny for America and the world.' Maharishi July 24 Dear Governors and Sidhas, Beautiful, sublime experiences during the TM-Sidhi practice were reported during this morning's conference calls with the Invincible America course participants in Washington and in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City. These experiences make clear, as Maharishi said yesterday, that everyone is beginning to 'float in bliss at the junction point where the individual is Cosmicand to create a bright new destiny for America and the world.' There are two wonderful new developments in the administration of the Invincible America Course in order to quickly increase our number of Yogic Flyers and generate a more powerful influence of positivity and invincibility in the nation. 1. SCHOLARSHIPS ARE NOW AVAILABLE to all Sidhas and Governors (with financial need) who want to participate in the Invincible America Course in Washington, DC. When you apply, simply note on your application that you have a financial need and would like to receive a scholarship. This development is an incredible gesture of generosity from peace-loving donors who are rightly concerned about our global situation and who understand the pivotal role that Washington plays in global affairs. 2. Starting dates and duration of the course are now flexible. You can come whenever your schedule allows and stay for as long as you wish. But the greatest urgency is to come soonand to stay as long as possible. COURSE UPDATE Applicants as of noon today: Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City: 1153 (Goal: 2500); Washington, DC: 182 (Goal: 1000) This morning's Yogic Flying totalswell over half the Superradiance requirement of 1730 for Americaare already producing a visible effect of rising coherence in national consciousness, a softening in the attitudes and policies of the US government. Today, for example, the Washington Post reported that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made a sudden, unexpected visit to Beirut to call for a lasting ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon and to bolster the battered Lebanese government. The Khaleej Times of Pakistan, an important Muslim newspaper, headlined the surprising good news with: 'Rice visit a show of support for Lebanon.' This, of course, is just an inkling of what will soon be a flood of good news from AmericaIF WE CAN BOLSTER OUR NUMBERS. WE NEED YOU! THE NATION NEEDS YOU! We offer our deepest gratitude to all who are participating in this historic Invincible America Course. And to those who have not yet come, we say: 'Come as soon as you canand stay as long as you can! We need you! The nation needs you!' Jai Guru Dev John Hagelin Copyright 2006, Global Country of World Peace The number for Fairfield seems to be up quite a bit from earlier today: Dear Governors and Sidhas, The response to the Invincible America Course thus far is encouraging! (For information about this course, go to www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and click on View Thursday's Announcement.) Seven hundred fifty (750) Yogic Flyers have applied thus farabout 650 to Fairfield and 100 to Washington, DC. And the applications are flowing in. I applaud all of you who have responded so quickly. You are true Founders of Invincibility for our nation. BUT WE NEED MANY MORE. Only we can create an Invincible, powerfully peaceful America, and quench the fires of global conflict. We need to ALL pull together and build upon this response, in order to fulfill Maharishi's urgent call for 2500 Yogic Flyers in Fairfield / Maharishi Vedic City and 1000 in our nation's capital. etc. and signed by John Hagelin JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America course -- scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Global Country of World PeaceTranslate This Article 24 July 2006 snip COURSE UPDATE Applicants as of noon today: Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City: 1153 (Goal: 2500); Washington, DC: 182 (Goal: 1000) snip The number for Fairfield seems to be up quite a bit from earlier today: Not earlier today. What you quote below was posted on Saturday, July 22. Dear Governors and Sidhas, The response to the Invincible America Course thus far is encouraging! (For information about this course, go to www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and click on View Thursday's Announcement.) Seven hundred fifty (750) Yogic Flyers have applied thus farabout 650 to Fairfield and 100 to Washington, DC. And the applications are flowing in. I applaud all of you who have responded so quickly. You are true Founders of Invincibility for our nation. snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America course -- scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Global Country of World PeaceTranslate This Article 24 July 2006 snip COURSE UPDATE Applicants as of noon today: Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City: 1153 (Goal: 2500); Washington, DC: 182 (Goal: 1000) snip The number for Fairfield seems to be up quite a bit from earlier today: Not earlier today. What you quote below was posted on Saturday, July 22. Dear Governors and Sidhas, The response to the Invincible America Course thus far is encouraging! (For information about this course, go to www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and click on View Thursday's Announcement.) Seven hundred fifty (750) Yogic Flyers have applied thus farabout 650 to Fairfield and 100 to Washington, DC. And the applications are flowing in. I applaud all of you who have responded so quickly. You are true Founders of Invincibility for our nation. snip Good that makes more sense. It was mailed to me early morning on the 24th. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America course -- scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Global Country of World PeaceTranslate This Article 24 July 2006 snip COURSE UPDATE Applicants as of noon today: Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City: 1153 (Goal: 2500); Washington, DC: 182 (Goal: 1000) snip The number for Fairfield seems to be up quite a bit from earlier today: Not earlier today. What you quote below was posted on Saturday, July 22. Dear Governors and Sidhas, The response to the Invincible America Course thus far is encouraging! (For information about this course, go to www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and click on View Thursday's Announcement.) Seven hundred fifty (750) Yogic Flyers have applied thus far about 650 to Fairfield and 100 to Washington, DC. And the applications are flowing in. I applaud all of you who have responded so quickly. You are true Founders of Invincibility for our nation. snip Good that makes more sense. It was mailed to me early morning on the 24th. I posted it *here* on the 22nd. You must have missed it. I got it from the TMFriends group, posted it here just after I saw it there. It may have been written even earlier than that, but the stuff on TMFriends is usually pretty up-to-the-minute. Gee whiz, if you only got it this morning, they're awfully late sending it out to the rank and file! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America course -- scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Global Country of World PeaceTranslate This Article 24 July 2006 snip COURSE UPDATE Applicants as of noon today: Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City: 1153 (Goal: 2500); Washington, DC: 182 (Goal: 1000) snip The number for Fairfield seems to be up quite a bit from earlier today: Not earlier today. What you quote below was posted on Saturday, July 22. Dear Governors and Sidhas, The response to the Invincible America Course thus far is encouraging! (For information about this course, go to www.InvincibleAmerica.org, and click on View Thursday's Announcement.) Seven hundred fifty (750) Yogic Flyers have applied thus far about 650 to Fairfield and 100 to Washington, DC. And the applications are flowing in. I applaud all of you who have responded so quickly. You are true Founders of Invincibility for our nation. snip Good that makes more sense. It was mailed to me early morning on the 24th. I posted it *here* on the 22nd. You must have missed it. I got it from the TMFriends group, posted it here just after I saw it there. It may have been written even earlier than that, but the stuff on TMFriends is usually pretty up-to-the-minute. Gee whiz, if you only got it this morning, they're awfully late sending it out to the rank and file! I just wondered if the numbers were inflated. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
