Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Thanks. I'm not into game shows. I like horror, sci-fi, thrillers and crime dramas and occasionally good (which is rare) comedy. Netflix just dropped off a load of European crime dramas that I've been watching over the past two weeks. US TV took a hiatus last week because they don't want anyone watching TV when they should be shopping at their advertisers. The last two episodes of Sons of Anarchy will be airing this week and next then it's by-by for that series. American Horror Story: Freakshow will probably air two more episodes then off for a month or more hiatus. The last two episodes of Constantine have been better than the opening ones. Sabotage, a movie with Ahnuld and a bunch TV actors including Merrielle Enos turned out to be better than I had expected. It's on Netflix but too violent for this crowd. I wish I had a bit more to recommend from over here but I've missed a lot of it. People often say did you see... at the water cooler but I often haven't and promise myself to watch it on catch up as it's a shame to miss something good. The Detectorists was good. I'd be interested to see how well it crosses the pond and if it makes any sense to you at all. The gimmick TV manufacturers are pushing now is 4K TV sets and Sony even has a 4K camcorder for $2K. I've long stopped being a trophy electronics owner though. Don't have the money nor the foolishness for it. 4K is an amazing amount of data, I sw one in a shop the other day and wondered how my old Dr Who videos would look under that sort of scrutiny. I'm still stunned by my HD TV I got last year. You can already buy compact cameras that record in 4K! That's an 8 megapixel picture in video. I'm impressed by the technological achievement but it's a bit much for the living room, might make cinema even more impressive but 3D movies seemed like they were doing it for the sake of it. A good film is a good film regardless of how it is broadcast. They should concentrate on scripts I think, all those huge cameras are expensive. Probably be a backlash to the old ways of doing things if it gets too advanced. On 12/01/2014 02:24 PM, salyavin808 wrote: OK, what's good on TV across the pond these days? BTW, for Netflixers here Black Mirror has been added in the US WI. Tonight was quiz night on BBC2. First up was University Challenge, which leaves me feeling inadequate if I don't get a score that matches the average of the smart arse kids from Oxbridge. Second was Only Connect, which is fiendishly difficult, full of abstract puzzles. I did crap on that tonight, but did well on University Challenge. I bet you don't have anything remotely like either of those in the US. Other than that, I've glanced at a few of the BBC's dramas that they are proud of, Remember me is a ghost story starring Michael Palin, give it a try if you can as it's very creepy. But I missed most of part two because of watching George's vision and forgot to tape it so I'll probably give up. We had this Australian drama on BBC4's called The Code which got off to a cracking start and had some great acting but they forgot to write a good ending and gave it a Scooby Doo, I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling kids equivalent. Which, after 4 weeks of watching felt like I'd been cheated. I think they are trawling the world hoping for another hit like The Killing but it didn't work out. The Fall season two is excellent. If you want a hot tip about something I really enjoyed, see if you can find a BBC comedy called The Detectorists it was my favourite programme of the season. It's a really sweet tale about the life and loves of a couple of guys with metal detectors. It's much better than it sounds, honest. And it couldn't be more English if it tried. Have a go at this: Only Connect - Series 8 - Episode 1 Only Connect - Series 8 - Episode 1 The BBC quiz show Only Connect, hosted by Victoria Coren Mitchell. It's a brand new series, and the Lasletts and the Pilots are competing for Win 1 ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 12/01/2014 12:32 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 12/02/2014 12:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Thanks. I'm not into game shows. I like horror, sci-fi, thrillers and crime dramas and occasionally good (which is rare) comedy. Netflix just dropped off a load of European crime dramas that I've been watching over the past two weeks. US TV took a hiatus last week because they don't want anyone watching TV when they should be shopping at their advertisers. The last two episodes of Sons of Anarchy will be airing this week and next then it's by-by for that series. American Horror Story: Freakshow will probably air two more episodes then off for a month or more hiatus. The last two episodes of Constantine have been better than the opening ones. Sabotage, a movie with Ahnuld and a bunch TV actors including Merrielle Enos turned out to be better than I had expected. It's on Netflix but too violent for this crowd. I wish I had a bit more to recommend from over here but I've missed a lot of it. People often say did you see... at the water cooler but I often haven't and promise myself to watch it on catch up as it's a shame to miss something good. The Detectorists was good. I'd be interested to see how well it crosses the pond and if it makes any sense to you at all. The gimmick TV manufacturers are pushing now is 4K TV sets and Sony even has a 4K camcorder for $2K. I've long stopped being a trophy electronics owner though. Don't have the money nor the foolishness for it. 4K is an amazing amount of data, I sw one in a shop the other day and wondered how my old Dr Who videos would look under that sort of scrutiny. I'm still stunned by my HD TV I got last year. You can already buy compact cameras that record in 4K! That's an 8 megapixel picture in video. I'm impressed by the technological achievement but it's a bit much for the living room, might make cinema even more impressive but 3D movies seemed like they were doing it for the sake of it. A good film is a good film regardless of how it is broadcast. They should concentrate on scripts I think, all those huge cameras are expensive. Probably be a backlash to the old ways of doing things if it gets too advanced. Netflix is already streaming some 4K material. Some of the Bluray players are equipped for it. It's only a matter of time or probably this next CES in January that smartphones will come with 4K cameras. TCL, the company that made my new TV, a year ago promised 4K TVs for under $1000. My 55 panel cost $500 and as I look back in 1991 I bought a 27 TV for $900 (had S-VHS inputs) and in 2000 spent about $4000 to be an early HDTV adopter with a Pioneer 53 set. I didn't really have anything HD to watch on it until the following spring when I got Dish Network and the HD STB was the first one that the installer had ever done and at that I had to fix everything after he left. The 53 Pioneer sits in my garage with no takers even though I've offered it for free. The power supply was even resoldered by an expert which made the set perform better than when it was delivered. I also just had to have an HD camera so bought one of those JVC cameras for $3500 in 2003. It came bundled with a JVC HD D-VHS deck. Nowadays the $20 Vivatars probably take better videos except the JVC has a really good lens on it. Yes, I'll watch at about any resolution if the story is interesting enough. But I'm on home theater forums where getting an OPPO Bluray player is very important to them whereas I'm getting a great picture with a Sony S1200 with all the latest apps and those were going for as low as $40 during Black Friday. But mine cost nothing but Sony Rewards points. My older player was beginning to crash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Given all these books, it now becomes clear how he could do a 3hr lecture without ers, ums, and hmms. The guy saturated himself with the concepts -- practice makes perfect. Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Visit Amazon.com's George Hammond Page and shop for all George Hammond books and other George Hammond related products (DVD, CDs, Apparel). Check out pictures, bibliography, biography and community discussions about George Hammond View on www.amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Excellent insight, Edg. Exactly what I was trying to imply by bringing up the comparison with Castaneda. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Given all these books, it now becomes clear how he could do a 3hr lecture without ers, ums, and hmms. The guy saturated himself with the concepts -- practice makes perfect. Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle || || Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle Visit Amazon.com's George Hammond Page and shop for all George Hammond books and other George Hammond related products (DVD, CDs, Apparel). Check out pictures, bibliography, biography and community discussions about George Hammond|| | View on www.amazon.com |Preview by Yahoo| || #yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221 -- #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp #yiv4552284221hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp #yiv4552284221ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp .yiv4552284221ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp .yiv4552284221ad p {margin:0;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mkp .yiv4552284221ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-sponsor #yiv4552284221ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-sponsor #yiv4552284221ygrp-lc #yiv4552284221hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-sponsor #yiv4552284221ygrp-lc .yiv4552284221ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221activity span .yiv4552284221underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 dd.yiv4552284221last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv4552284221 dd.yiv4552284221last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv4552284221 dd.yiv4552284221last p span.yiv4552284221yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221file-title a, #yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221file-title a:active, #yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221file-title a:hover, #yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221photo-title a, #yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221photo-title a:active, #yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221photo-title a:hover, #yiv4552284221 div.yiv4552284221photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4552284221 div#yiv4552284221ygrp-mlmsg #yiv4552284221ygrp-msg p a span.yiv4552284221yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv4552284221 o {font-size:0;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv4552284221 .yiv4552284221replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv4552284221 #yiv4552284221ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Given all these books, it now becomes clear how he could do a 3hr lecture without ers, ums, and hmms. The guy saturated himself with the concepts -- practice makes perfect. Mark Twain's visit to Heaven! The mind boggles. Also, Even More Relativity, a comprehensive revision of fundamental physics. That'll be a curio for sure. Well known physicists get endless papers sent them by amateurs proving that Einstein was wrong, drives them nuts. The trick is to make sure you've correctly understood it in the first place and that is a really tall order. Would like to read it though, all of Einstein's ideas have been proved so I'd like to read any serious alternative. But actually, it's sure to be a mystical string theory hash up like you get endlessly on the internet or on TM courses isn't it? Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Visit Amazon.com's George Hammond Page and shop for all George Hammond books and other George Hammond related products (DVD, CDs, Apparel). Check out pictures, bibliography, biography and community discussions about George Hammond View on www.amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Excellent insight, Edg. Exactly what I was trying to imply by bringing up the comparison with Castaneda. I always thought that Stigmata would be more convincing as proof of Christ's crucifixion if it happened to me instead of always to strict Catholics. You have to have done the homework for it all to be so natural. What strange creatures we are, and strangers to ourselves a lot of the time. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Given all these books, it now becomes clear how he could do a 3hr lecture without ers, ums, and hmms. The guy saturated himself with the concepts -- practice makes perfect. Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Visit Amazon.com's George Hammond Page and shop for all George Hammond books and other George Hammond related products (DVD, CDs, Apparel). Check out pictures, bibliography, biography and community discussions about George Hammond View on www.amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/George-Hammond/e/B000APIF1Q/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1417546909sr=1-1 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Like (the last sentence) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Excellent insight, Edg. Exactly what I was trying to imply by bringing up the comparison with Castaneda. I always thought that Stigmata would be more convincing as proof of Christ's crucifixion if it happened to me instead of always to strict Catholics. You have to have done the homework for it all to be so natural. What strange creatures we are, and strangers to ourselves a lot of the time. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Given all these books, it now becomes clear how he could do a 3hr lecture without ers, ums, and hmms. The guy saturated himself with the concepts -- practice makes perfect. Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle | | | | Amazon.com: George Hammond: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle Visit Amazon.com's George Hammond Page and shop for all George Hammond books and other George Hammond related products (DVD, CDs, Apparel). Check out pictures, bibliography, biography and community discussions about George Hammond | | | View on www.amazon.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | #yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060 -- #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp #yiv3172638060hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp #yiv3172638060ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp .yiv3172638060ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp .yiv3172638060ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-mkp .yiv3172638060ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-sponsor #yiv3172638060ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-sponsor #yiv3172638060ygrp-lc #yiv3172638060hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060ygrp-sponsor #yiv3172638060ygrp-lc .yiv3172638060ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060activity span .yiv3172638060underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 dd.yiv3172638060last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3172638060 dd.yiv3172638060last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3172638060 dd.yiv3172638060last p span.yiv3172638060yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060file-title a, #yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060file-title a:active, #yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060file-title a:hover, #yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060photo-title a, #yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060photo-title a:active, #yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060photo-title a:hover, #yiv3172638060 div.yiv3172638060photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3172638060 div#yiv3172638060ygrp-mlmsg #yiv3172638060ygrp-msg p a span.yiv3172638060yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv3172638060 .yiv3172638060MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv3172638060 o {font-size:0;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv3172638060 #yiv3172638060photos div div {border
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I love that story as it is so contradictory... I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud... In which spiritual tradition? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after he died. The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a movie next time. People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking back to see why he was right. Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I love that story as it is so contradictory... I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud... In which spiritual tradition? In the wibbly-wobbly world of TM organisation I guess But people believe it and tell me. I don't make it up, honest! I wonder how long it would take to sort out every contradiction in the TMO? Marshy didn't believe in re-incarnation - or so he frequently said - but there he was last night telling us about all his previous incarnations! One doesn't know what to think any more. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after he died. The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a movie next time. People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking back to see why he was right. Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. Clearly the early teachers are feeling left out and reckon they could be doing a better job than the talentless zombies that are running things at the moment, they've all got so little charisma themselves they've had to buy it in from David Lynch! I think there should be a new/old movement with George at the helm and it would do well as he could channel Marshy and get back up from Allah and Jehovah where necessary. Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth! No need for old tapes any more and the embarrassment of the Marshy channel. This is cutting edge spirituality. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. Clearly the early teachers are feeling left out and reckon they could be doing a better job than the talentless zombies that are running things at the moment, they've all got so little charisma themselves they've had to buy it in from David Lynch! I think there should be a new/old movement with George at the helm and it would do well as he could channel Marshy and get back up from Allah and Jehovah where necessary. Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth! No need for old tapes any more and the embarrassment of the Marshy channel. This is cutting edge spirituality. I think they ought to go *really* cutting edge and skip all this old-fashioned giving-lectures-to-people-in-meeting-rooms shit. THE MOVEMENT, as described by George, are clearly the spiritual rock stars of the universe, so *that's what they should be*. Skip the small shit, form a band, hire some roadies, and take their act directly to the stadiums. In America, because most people wouldn't give a shit about Maharishi and Guru Dev, the front man would clearly have to be Jesus: This guy could be Jehovah / Allah: And don't write this off as a bad idea without giving it some thought. After all, it's been done before: From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. Clearly the early teachers are feeling left out and reckon they could be doing a better job than the talentless zombies that are running things at the moment, they've all got so little charisma themselves they've had to buy it in from David Lynch! I think there should be a new/old movement with George at the helm and it would do well as he could channel Marshy and get back up from Allah and Jehovah where necessary. Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth! No need for old tapes any more and the embarrassment of the Marshy channel. This is cutting edge spirituality. I think they ought to go *really* cutting edge and skip all this old-fashioned giving-lectures-to-people-in-meeting-rooms shit. THE MOVEMENT, as described by George, are clearly the spiritual rock stars of the universe, so *that's what they should be*. Skip the small shit, form a band, hire some roadies, and take their act directly to the stadiums. In America, because most people wouldn't give a shit about Maharishi and Guru Dev, the front man would clearly have to be Jesus: This guy could be Jehovah / Allah: And don't write this off as a bad idea without giving it some thought. After all, it's been done before: Cool! I'll be a roadie so I can get close to the source. Who would want to miss out? First album: All the old dudes. I think the heffalump deity on the left should play drums [Sorry Bhairitu] as he's got a natural advantage for doing triplets and tambourine work. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Ha ha! That is an even better example - I should have thought of that one first. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists
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salyavin, that wibbly-wobbly made me smile. As for reincarnation, it's not that Maharishi didn't believe in it. It's that he wanted to help people get out of that cycle. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I love that story as it is so contradictory... I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud... In which spiritual tradition? In the wibbly-wobbly world of TM organisation I guess But people believe it and tell me. I don't make it up, honest! I wonder how long it would take to sort out every contradiction in the TMO? Marshy didn't believe in re-incarnation - or so he frequently said - but there he was last night telling us about all his previous incarnations! One doesn't know what to think any more. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after he died. The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a movie next time. People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking back to see why he was right. Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Thattalk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while:http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ #yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376 -- #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp #yiv4602965376hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp #yiv4602965376ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp .yiv4602965376ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp .yiv4602965376ad p {margin:0;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-mkp .yiv4602965376ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-sponsor #yiv4602965376ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-sponsor #yiv4602965376ygrp-lc #yiv4602965376hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376ygrp-sponsor #yiv4602965376ygrp-lc .yiv4602965376ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv4602965376 #yiv4602965376activity span .yiv4602965376underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4602965376 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv4602965376 .yiv4602965376bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4602965376 dd.yiv4602965376last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv4602965376 dd.yiv4602965376last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv4602965376 dd.yiv4602965376last p
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salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists a message from Xenu. Then we'd know he was in touch with the Great Ones
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Great write-up Curtis. Would have been interesting to get Jerry’s take on all this after the show. Is he buying it? Taking it with a grain of salt, or some pesto? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations
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salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself
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My friend Bill sent Jerry an e-mail asking him that very question (does he buy it or not) - I'll let you know if JJ replies. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:00 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Great write-up Curtis. Would have been interesting to get Jerry’s take on all this after the show. Is he buying it? Taking it with a grain of salt, or some pesto? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu
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Seems to me the point of this thing was brought out in the beginning of his talk: consoling aging boomers who did TM not to fear death. On 11/30/2014 06:48 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations. Many, many incarnations. I reallly had to pee. So after lunch I go back for something sweet and they had some very nice blackberries which are
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult
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On 12/01/2014 12:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery. I just sent it to Audials where I could put in pee breaks. :-)
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So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when
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Excellent parallel and analysis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I will have to agree with sincere huckster. In retrospect who he reminds me of the most in terms of the fluidity of his delivery and his seeming honest comfort with the outrageous stories he's telling is Carlos Castaneda. When I met him, he was exactly the same way -- so sure of himself and so fluid in the way he described don Juan and the magical things that went on around him that you felt you almost *had* to believe it. Then later I learned more about Carlos. Turns out that there was strong evidence of him being a serial liar and psychopathic liar all of his life. It was a pattern that was already present long before he came to the US to study at UCLA. In gaining his original student status he'd lied about his original name, where he came from in South America, and failed to mention that he'd abandoned a wife and kid there. Later, it seems that he'd taken this same...uh...less-than-truthful approach first to his research as an antrhopologist and later to being a big, best-selling New Age author. At first he took *other people's stories* and claimed that they were his own, and then later he began making them up entirely. But the thing is, in person he was so fluid and natural-sounding when *telling* these stories -- either in person or in his writing -- that he convinced people to believe them. What I think is going on with George Hammond is that he is not very clueful about the workings of his own mind. He falls into altered states of consciousness in which his dreaming mind becomes active as it is processing weird stuff he's read about all day about Western religions and the stuff he's interested in. In that partially-awake dreaming state, his mind introduces other characters because of his fear of death, his desire to see loved ones like his sister and Maharishi again, and his desire to be special and important and the center of all cosmic action. So he lays there for a while, indulging these quasi-dreaming states, and then tells stories about them to anyone who will listen, insisting that they are real visions. And, as with Castaneda, every time he tells the story it becomes more natural and more fluid for him, and he himself becomes more convinced it was real. This becomes a self-reinforcing cycle, because every time he tells the stories a few people go Wow and that increases his self-importance. Anyway, that's my take on it all. Entertaining, but in the end he *really* doesn't have the charisma he would need to attract a younger audience, one that is not on death's door and panicking about it like the audience he was talking to yesterday. THOSE are the people who will believe him and flock to him, because his spiel is meant to convince them that 1) they are important and at the center of great events, 2) they are eternal and will never die, and 3) they're part of a big Movement of Woo Woo guys (did you notice there were no gals) who are officially The Biggest, Baddest Spiritual Movers The Planet Has Ever Seen. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
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I mostly use Simple Screen Recorder on Linux. It can record a full screen with few frame drops. It would probably drop none if I built an even newer Linux box. The networks keep trying to flummox Audials but they don't care about Linux. Audials just finds the small video window and they don't recommend trying to record at full screen. I got it to record stuff on my Windows machine while I am working on my Linux box which I use most the time. On 12/01/2014 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you like Audials alright? *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November On 12/01/2014 12:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery. I just sent it to Audials where I could put in pee breaks. :-)
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I didn't make it all the way thru the video - did Hammond mention the George Burns / John Denver project and if it was considered a success or not?
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salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees
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Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
MJ, I remember asking why you spoke so negatively about TM since you reported yourself having good experiences. Jeez! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made
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You also addressed Sal having reported good exps from TM and asked how I accounted for that. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November MJ, I remember asking why you spoke so negatively about TM since you reported yourself having good experiences. Jeez! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts
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Ok, I don't remember but I believe you. What did you say? From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November You also addressed Sal having reported good exps from TM and asked how I accounted for that. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November MJ, I remember asking why you spoke so negatively about TM since you reported yourself having good experiences. Jeez! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ahh, Sal, your reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! Oh good! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You may know it as Christmas shopping, I prefer the term Crimbo, or Crimble, because it removes the last vestige of religion from what is basically a massive Pagan piss up and consumer greed frenzy. Some people still get all Nativity and Jesus about it but not me, even though I like the bible stories it's more an all-things-to-all-men festival. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Shhh! Keep it down, they might read this. Seriously, I do tell them and there's a multitude of responses from blank ignoring to asking me what it's like. I've only had a few lectures about how mindfulness is rubbish compared to TM because blah, blah, concentrating blah, blah, only works because the mind gives up etc. But people who actually like you don't care what you do. As long as you don't do it on the dome, which I wouldn't anyway. One observation is that I only like it and get results because I've been doing TM for so long, and there's no way to prove otherwise but it's always said in a kind of you owe it to us way. I can't see the harm in discussing it but TM teachers would change the subject in a centre I think. I'd try it just to see but the local teachers don't like me much so I never go round LOL. Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? Like I say above I guess. They'd say: if he hadn't done TM for 20 years he wouldn't be having good mindful experiences. And then you can go on to explain the differences as discoursed incorrectly by Marshy in his why TM is best lecture and then introduce the Only have your feet in one boat at a timet anecdote and your home and dry! I would have made a good TM teacher I think. I still remember the shpiell. I might do it and start a new career. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re
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On 12/01/2014 12:32 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. OK, what's good on TV across the pond these days? BTW, for Netflixers here Black Mirror has been added in the US WI.
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What book did you get the technique out of? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He
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Sometimes I laugh like hell when I read your posts sometimes - a pagan piss up! I assume that means a lot of drinking alcohol, but I'm not sure. Sounds hilarious though to me. And I can't imagine why the local teachers don't like you though. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ahh, Sal, your reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! Oh good! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You may know it as Christmas shopping, I prefer the term Crimbo, or Crimble, because it removes the last vestige of religion from what is basically a massive Pagan piss up and consumer greed frenzy. Some people still get all Nativity and Jesus about it but not me, even though I like the bible stories it's more an all-things-to-all-men festival. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Shhh! Keep it down, they might read this. Seriously, I do tell them and there's a multitude of responses from blank ignoring to asking me what it's like. I've only had a few lectures about how mindfulness is rubbish compared to TM because blah, blah, concentrating blah, blah, only works because the mind gives up etc. But people who actually like you don't care what you do. As long as you don't do it on the dome, which I wouldn't anyway. One observation is that I only like it and get results because I've been doing TM for so long, and there's no way to prove otherwise but it's always said in a kind of you owe it to us way. I can't see the harm in discussing it but TM teachers would change the subject in a centre I think. I'd try it just to see but the local teachers don't like me much so I never go round LOL. Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? Like I say above I guess. They'd say: if he hadn't done TM for 20 years he wouldn't be having good mindful experiences. And then you can go on to explain the differences as discoursed incorrectly by Marshy in his why TM is best lecture and then introduce the Only have your feet in one boat at a timet anecdote and your home and dry! I would have made a good TM teacher I think. I still remember the shpiell. I might do it and start a new career. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am
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OK, what's good on TV across the pond these days? BTW, for Netflixers here Black Mirror has been added in the US WI. Tonight was quiz night on BBC2. First up was University Challenge, which leaves me feeling inadequate if I don't get a score that matches the average of the smart arse kids from Oxbridge. Second was Only Connect, which is fiendishly difficult, full of abstract puzzles. I did crap on that tonight, but did well on University Challenge. I bet you don't have anything remotely like either of those in the US. Other than that, I've glanced at a few of the BBC's dramas that they are proud of, Remember me is a ghost story starring Michael Palin, give it a try if you can as it's very creepy. But I missed most of part two because of watching George's vision and forgot to tape it so I'll probably give up. We had this Australian drama on BBC4's called The Code which got off to a cracking start and had some great acting but they forgot to write a good ending and gave it a Scooby Doo, I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling kids equivalent. Which, after 4 weeks of watching felt like I'd been cheated. I think they are trawling the world hoping for another hit like The Killing but it didn't work out. The Fall season two is excellent. If you want a hot tip about something I really enjoyed, see if you can find a BBC comedy called The Detectorists it was my favourite programme of the season. It's a really sweet tale about the life and loves of a couple of guys with metal detectors. It's much better than it sounds, honest. And it couldn't be more English if it tried. Have a go at this: Only Connect - Series 8 - Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q Only Connect - Series 8 - Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q The BBC quiz show Only Connect, hosted by Victoria Coren Mitchell. It's a brand new series, and the Lasletts and the Pilots are competing for Win 1 ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 12/01/2014 12:32 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. OK, what's good on TV across the pond these days? BTW, for Netflixers here Black Mirror has been added in the US WI.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sometimes I laugh like hell when I read your posts sometimes - a pagan piss up! I assume that means a lot of drinking alcohol, but I'm not sure. Sounds hilarious though to me. Yeah, the mid winter festival called Yule was held on the solstice, a massive party to celebrate surviving another year, until came along with their Saturnalia and then they brought in Christianity. But most for people it's still the midwinter festival of food and wine, with a bit of praying thrown in to cover all bases. And I can't imagine why the local teachers don't like you though. No, it beats me. Maybe somebody told them I thought they were a couple of fundamentalists and their meetings were like bible class. They should have taken it as constructive criticism. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ahh, Sal, your reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! Oh good! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You may know it as Christmas shopping, I prefer the term Crimbo, or Crimble, because it removes the last vestige of religion from what is basically a massive Pagan piss up and consumer greed frenzy. Some people still get all Nativity and Jesus about it but not me, even though I like the bible stories it's more an all-things-to-all-men festival. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Shhh! Keep it down, they might read this. Seriously, I do tell them and there's a multitude of responses from blank ignoring to asking me what it's like. I've only had a few lectures about how mindfulness is rubbish compared to TM because blah, blah, concentrating blah, blah, only works because the mind gives up etc. But people who actually like you don't care what you do. As long as you don't do it on the dome, which I wouldn't anyway. One observation is that I only like it and get results because I've been doing TM for so long, and there's no way to prove otherwise but it's always said in a kind of you owe it to us way. I can't see the harm in discussing it but TM teachers would change the subject in a centre I think. I'd try it just to see but the local teachers don't like me much so I never go round LOL. Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? Like I say above I guess. They'd say: if he hadn't done TM for 20 years he wouldn't be having good mindful experiences. And then you can go on to explain the differences as discoursed incorrectly by Marshy in his why TM is best lecture and then introduce the Only have your feet in one boat at a timet anecdote and your home and dry! I would have made a good TM teacher I think. I still remember the shpiell. I might do it and start a new career. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What book did you get the technique out of? I can't remember actually, it was one of many in the library about treating common psychological problems. I often grab loads of books about a subject and read a bit of each, if it's interesting I get to the end. This book was about new ways of synthesising old methods of treatment with newer ones and explaining how it might work. It also covered cognitive behavioural therapies and things like that. It had loads of techniques to try, pick and mix your own was the message. But I didn't finish it for some reason and can't remember the name of the author. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
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Thanks. I'm not into game shows. I like horror, sci-fi, thrillers and crime dramas and occasionally good (which is rare) comedy. Netflix just dropped off a load of European crime dramas that I've been watching over the past two weeks. US TV took a hiatus last week because they don't want anyone watching TV when they should be shopping at their advertisers. The last two episodes of Sons of Anarchy will be airing this week and next then it's by-by for that series. American Horror Story: Freakshow will probably air two more episodes then off for a month or more hiatus. The last two episodes of Constantine have been better than the opening ones. Sabotage, a movie with Ahnuld and a bunch TV actors including Merrielle Enos turned out to be better than I had expected. It's on Netflix but too violent for this crowd. The gimmick TV manufacturers are pushing now is 4K TV sets and Sony even has a 4K camcorder for $2K. I've long stopped being a trophy electronics owner though. Don't have the money nor the foolishness for it. On 12/01/2014 02:24 PM, salyavin808 wrote: OK, what's good on TV across the pond these days? BTW, for Netflixers here Black Mirror has been added in the US WI. Tonight was quiz night on BBC2. First up was University Challenge, which leaves me feeling inadequate if I don't get a score that matches the average of the smart arse kids from Oxbridge. Second was Only Connect, which is fiendishly difficult, full of abstract puzzles. I did crap on thattonight, but did well on University Challenge. I bet you don't have anything remotely like either of those in the US. Other than that, I've glanced at a few of the BBC's dramas that they are proud of, Remember me is a ghost story starring Michael Palin, give it a try if you can as it's very creepy. But I missed most of part two because of watching George's vision and forgot to tape it so I'll probably give up. We had this Australian drama on BBC4's called The Code which got off to a cracking start and had some great acting but they forgot to write a good ending and gave it a Scooby Doo, I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling kids equivalent. Which, after 4 weeks of watching felt like I'd been cheated. I think they are trawling the world hoping for another hit like The Killing but it didn't work out. The Fall season two is excellent. If you want a hot tip about something I really enjoyed, see if you can find a BBC comedy called The Detectorists it was my favourite programme of the season. It's a really sweet tale about the life and loves of a couple of guys with metal detectors. It's much better than it sounds, honest. And it couldn't be more English if it tried. Have a go at this: Only Connect - Series 8 - Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q Only Connect - Series 8 - Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q The BBC quiz show Only Connect, hosted by Victoria Coren Mitchell. It's a brand new series, and the Lasletts and the Pilots are competing for Win 1 ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcBvU6YG2Q Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 12/01/2014 12:32 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's
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This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. Anyone ever meet this guy in real life?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. He certainly could. He's very confident and seems clear minded. Barking mad, but his belief will convert some in the usual fashion. Anyone ever meet this guy in real life?
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Aaand, I'm just not buying it. The guy comes off as a normal channeler -- gift of gab, imaginative, and self deluded. Deluded how? Deluded that a dream is a real communication. Not that the dream can't be spot on and synchronistic.
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. He certainly could. He's very confident and seems clear minded. Barking mad, but his belief will convert some in the usual fashion. He probably should have read the Harry Potter books before deciding to call one of this astral holy tradition He who must not be named. :-)
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From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. But, scanning the room, only among people who are so old that they don't look as if they're going to see 2016. So as Movements go, it's not exactly gonna last very long. It's just yer classic appeal to self-importance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. He certainly could. He's very confident and seems clear minded. Barking mad, but his belief will convert some in the usual fashion. He probably should have read the Harry Potter books before deciding to call one of this astral holy tradition He who must not be named. :-) I was hoping for a laugh but I just feel sorry for the guy, it's like talking to a Jehovah's Witness and wanting to hug them and tell them it's OK to face reality and dump the fact their entire life has been a travesty of self delusion and refusing to face reality. While writing the above I just heard him rattling off names like Thoreau and Richard the Lionheart as being reincarnations of biblical prophets. Hard to know what to say really, It's just sad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
What's odd is that there is some kind of weird Twilight Zone time distortion thang goin' down. I read your mention of all of these guys the apostles were supposed to be just now, *after* reading your description of him having said it. Doo dee doo doo... I'm going to have to go to dinner soon, so fill me in if anything interesting happens. Did you see Curtis, BTW? If I'm not mistaken, just before things started he walked up and gave a CD to Jerry. I can only hope that -- given time -- Jerry likes the CD more than he likes this guy's rap. It's really kinda lame...like recycled Charlie Lutes. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. He certainly could. He's very confident and seems clear minded. Barking mad, but his belief will convert some in the usual fashion. He probably should have read the Harry Potter books before deciding to call one of this astral holy tradition He who must not be named. :-) I was hoping for a laugh but I just feel sorry for the guy, it's like talking to a Jehovah's Witness and wanting to hug them and tell them it's OK to face reality and dump the fact their entire life has been a travesty of self delusion and refusing to face reality. While writing the above I just heard him rattling off names like Thoreau and Richard the Lionheart as being reincarnations of biblical prophets. Hard to know what to say really, It's just sad. #yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924 -- #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp #yiv5791624924hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp #yiv5791624924ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp .yiv5791624924ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp .yiv5791624924ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-mkp .yiv5791624924ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-sponsor #yiv5791624924ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-sponsor #yiv5791624924ygrp-lc #yiv5791624924hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924ygrp-sponsor #yiv5791624924ygrp-lc .yiv5791624924ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv5791624924 #yiv5791624924activity span .yiv5791624924underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv5791624924 .yiv5791624924bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 dd.yiv5791624924last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5791624924 dd.yiv5791624924last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5791624924 dd.yiv5791624924last p span.yiv5791624924yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924file-title a, #yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924file-title a:active, #yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924file-title a:hover, #yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924photo-title a, #yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924photo-title a:active, #yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924photo-title a:hover, #yiv5791624924 div.yiv5791624924photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5791624924 div#yiv5791624924ygrp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
At least this guy isn't using TM tonality like Bevvy. He's really pushing the name dropping and the you too were Great Ones. Guy is clear though. Organized, very fucking prepared, good recall. He's coming off as someone who has some wisdom and some scholarship which of course can all be pumped into his dreams. If he had been born in a non-American culture, the same type of dreams could have been saturated with the names of other traditions. Seems like he's trying to establish why the TMO's present leaders are to be seen as failures and no longer true movement leaders. to not tell stories anymore -- yet he's telling a story to all of us! Grrr. No one has ever merged with the Absolute. -- That's a big ass issue, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Sorry...got my language blurbled up there. I read your description of those discussions at least 2-3 minutes before I actually heard them on the feed. I guess that everyone's not getting the feed from the stream at the same time... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November What's odd is that there is some kind of weird Twilight Zone time distortion thang goin' down. I read your mention of all of these guys the apostles were supposed to be just now, *after* reading your description of him having said it. Doo dee doo doo... I'm going to have to go to dinner soon, so fill me in if anything interesting happens. Did you see Curtis, BTW? If I'm not mistaken, just before things started he walked up and gave a CD to Jerry. I can only hope that -- given time -- Jerry likes the CD more than he likes this guy's rap. It's really kinda lame...like recycled Charlie Lutes. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. He certainly could. He's very confident and seems clear minded. Barking mad, but his belief will convert some in the usual fashion. He probably should have read the Harry Potter books before deciding to call one of this astral holy tradition He who must not be named. :-) I was hoping for a laugh but I just feel sorry for the guy, it's like talking to a Jehovah's Witness and wanting to hug them and tell them it's OK to face reality and dump the fact their entire life has been a travesty of self delusion and refusing to face reality. While writing the above I just heard him rattling off names like Thoreau and Richard the Lionheart as being reincarnations of biblical prophets. Hard to know what to say really, It's just sad. #yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776 -- #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp #yiv8750467776hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp #yiv8750467776ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp .yiv8750467776ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp .yiv8750467776ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-mkp .yiv8750467776ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-sponsor #yiv8750467776ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-sponsor #yiv8750467776ygrp-lc #yiv8750467776hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776ygrp-sponsor #yiv8750467776ygrp-lc .yiv8750467776ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv8750467776 #yiv8750467776activity span .yiv8750467776underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8750467776 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv8750467776 .yiv8750467776bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8750467776 dd.yiv8750467776last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8750467776 dd.yiv8750467776last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8750467776 dd.yiv8750467776last p span.yiv8750467776yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv8750467776 div.yiv8750467776attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8750467776 div.yiv8750467776attach-table {width
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I remember Jerry telling my group to not attend other lectures because if anyone recognized you, then they'd ask themselves, Why is that guy here if he's a true-believer in TM? Looks like Jerry is okay with the loop hole he thinks he's using to rationalize this, but, geeeze, how far did Jerry have to travel -- at his age -- to see this guy's presentation? That's even more of a tell, methinks. Is Jerry about to become no fool like an old fool? My live-feed stops about every 20 seconds...so I'm missing a ton of statements.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : At least this guy isn't using TM tonality like Bevvy. He's really pushing the name dropping and the you too were Great Ones. Guy is clear though. Organized, very fucking prepared, good recall. Yes, he's a very good speaker. I was trying to imagine a pre-programmed drone like Bevan or Hagelin trying to pull this off and it really wouldn't work. This guy thinks on his feet for sure. He's coming off as someone who has some wisdom and some scholarship which of course can all be pumped into his dreams. If he had been born in a non-American culture, the same type of dreams could have been saturated with the names of other traditions. It's all very convenient that he sees Marshy as he was when he was 55, probably the last time he actually saw him. Seems like he's trying to establish why the TMO's present leaders are to be seen as failures and no longer true movement leaders. to not tell stories anymore -- yet he's telling a story to all of us! Grrr. No one has ever merged with the Absolute. -- That's a big ass issue, eh? It's lucky for his story that nobody did merge, because they wouldn't be talking to him would they! Or do I understand less about this than even I give myself no credit for?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sorry...got my language blurbled up there. I read your description of those discussions at least 2-3 minutes before I actually heard them on the feed. I guess that everyone's not getting the feed from the stream at the same time... No, it's because Maharishi appeared to me when I was having breakfast and told me what was going to happen beforehand so I could watch the snooker. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November What's odd is that there is some kind of weird Twilight Zone time distortion thang goin' down. I read your mention of all of these guys the apostles were supposed to be just now, *after* reading your description of him having said it. Doo dee doo doo... I'm going to have to go to dinner soon, so fill me in if anything interesting happens. Did you see Curtis, BTW? If I'm not mistaken, just before things started he walked up and gave a CD to Jerry. I can only hope that -- given time -- Jerry likes the CD more than he likes this guy's rap. It's really kinda lame...like recycled Charlie Lutes. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy is serious. Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. He certainly could. He's very confident and seems clear minded. Barking mad, but his belief will convert some in the usual fashion. He probably should have read the Harry Potter books before deciding to call one of this astral holy tradition He who must not be named. :-) I was hoping for a laugh but I just feel sorry for the guy, it's like talking to a Jehovah's Witness and wanting to hug them and tell them it's OK to face reality and dump the fact their entire life has been a travesty of self delusion and refusing to face reality. While writing the above I just heard him rattling off names like Thoreau and Richard the Lionheart as being reincarnations of biblical prophets. Hard to know what to say really, It's just sad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
He's a lawyer. Explains a lot -- Jerry's interest for instance. Because he's smart, his assertion of honesty is quite acceptable. That's the rub: if you're a true-believer in your own experiences -- you bring all your intellect etc. into the promotions about your experienceseven if you were deluded. Personally, I've woken up from dreams in various states of belief -- I hated this one woman in real life for what she'd done to me in a dream -- took three days to get clear about that.see? No one can talk anyone out of what they think is true.we're all such brutes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : He's a lawyer. Explains a lot -- Jerry's interest for instance. Because he's smart, his assertion of honesty is quite acceptable. That's the rub: if you're a true-believer in your own experiences -- you bring all your intellect etc. into the promotions about your experienceseven if you were deluded. Personally, I've woken up from dreams in various states of belief -- I hated this one woman in real life for what she'd done to me in a dream -- took three days to get clear about that.see? No one can talk anyone out of what they think is true.we're all such brutes. I fell asleep for a bit and he seems to have gone off on a tangent, talking about all his previous incarnations. I've lost it and shall have to read the transcript later... ... ah the message: Don't worry about spoiling the purity of the teaching because you can't. You don't have the power. And then the connection went. Bit of divine intervention maybe...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
The fascinating thing from my point of view (back from dinner now) is that this guy's *entire* act is about fear of death. HIS fear of death. To avoid dealing with the concept of death, he's invented being able to talk with his dead sister and parents, with dead Maharishi, with dead Jesus and with a bunch of supposed dead hoo-hahs who tell him how important he was in previous lives. In a way it's a pity that Jimbo threw a tantrum and stalked off in a snit...again, because I just can't wait for him to play one-upsmanship games with this guy, claiming to have been more important in all of these supposedly shared incarnations that he claims to have been. :-) :-) :-) I look forward to Curtis' take on this whole thing, especially because he'll probably be able to comment on 1) the general vibe in the room, 2) what went down during the QA (which as I understand it won't be broadcast on the stream), and 3) what went down in the room and outside the hall as people chatted each other up after this event.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : He's a lawyer. Explains a lot -- Jerry's interest for instance. Because he's smart, his assertion of honesty is quite acceptable. That's the rub: if you're a true-believer in your own experiences -- you bring all your intellect etc. into the promotions about your experienceseven if you were deluded. Personally, I've woken up from dreams in various states of belief -- I hated this one woman in real life for what she'd done to me in a dream -- took three days to get clear about that.see? No one can talk anyone out of what they think is true.we're all such brutes. I fell asleep for a bit and he seems to have gone off on a tangent, talking about all his previous incarnations. I've lost it and shall have to read the transcript later... ... ah the message: Don't worry about spoiling the purity of the teaching because you can't. You don't have the power. And then the connection went. Bit of divine intervention maybe... Shame it came back, the guy is dropping names like you wouldn't believe, Jesus, Guru Dev. This guy is in touch with them all. He must be a big deal in the spiritual world to deserve such company. But his talk is so boring now and so unmemorable I forget how each sentence started before it ends. Luckily there's something good on TV so I don't have to listen to the worlds greatest spiritual teachers any more...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The fascinating thing from my point of view (back from dinner now) is that this guy's *entire* act is about fear of death. HIS fear of death. To avoid dealing with the concept of death, he's invented being able to talk with his dead sister and parents, with dead Maharishi, with dead Jesus and with a bunch of supposed dead hoo-hahs who tell him how important he was in previous lives. He's so boring. I reckon he'll get smited by all these Gods for speaking such tedious drivel on their behalf. Preaching to Muslims really will get him smited, if any of them were listening that is. In a way it's a pity that Jimbo threw a tantrum and stalked off in a snit...again, because I just can't wait for him to play one-upsmanship games with this guy, claiming to have been more important in all of these supposedly shared incarnations that he claims to have been. :-) :-) :-) I look forward to Curtis' take on this whole thing, especially because he'll probably be able to comment on 1) the general vibe in the room, 2) what went down during the QA (which as I understand it won't be broadcast on the stream), and 3) what went down in the room and outside the hall as people chatted each other up after this event. Maybe he'll be a convert and come back with a message from Jehovah just for FFLers: Willytex is the chosen one...heed his words, no matter how banal, predictable and tedious
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
NOTES FROM MAHARISHI: Fear is ignorance. Self can't be hurt. Listen to MMY about transcending. Don't die in fear or upset about what TM teachers have done. Don't worry about purity of the teaching. (Jerry told us that the movement was suffering because of lack of purity in the lives of the initiators.) If they'd put a picture on the wall by mistake -- (heh, my painting of MMY as a spiral was kick out of the MUM library.) Take away the rules to stop people in power. TM, as good as it is, is effective because of harnessing natural tendency, but it's not crucial. If mind if filled with light, YOU'RE OKAY. No particular state of mind to target. (Well that's new.) Better to have an adulterated teaching that has no fear than have a pure teaching ruined by fear. TM is turning within. Teach TM according to the TMO's rules. Next 20 years important -- all TM teachers should chuck the fear and teach however they want to. 300 years from now this video can be played. (I signed up for 5 - 8 years.) Do what MMY told you to do, but not if it's not in your heart to engage an impossible task. Shankara says enthusiastic about new approach. Shankara opened up MMY's mind to memories. Had debate with Vyasa and didn't win. A debate draw because he was Vyasa too.Shankara was AFRAID to say; he'd been Vyasa. He's going to incarnate again to push math and science100 years. All the past heroes will re-incarnate. End the Shankaracharya system. Simplify or eliminate ritual. Guru Dev is jiggy with above, but still can do puja, but not necessary. No more gurus -- just friends. Jesus says: I'm not omniscient. How you feel about Me doesn't matter. Prayer is like gambling, the house always win. No more parking place prayers will be answered. Look for an hour before you pray for a lost object. Heaven is not a place of forgiveness. No perfect knowledge, no judgement. Heaven is a vacation. I'm not mad at you guys. Jehovah says. I'm also Allah. Jews were my original chosen people. I've made them the most productive people on the planet. New deal for everyone -- you'll know Me. I am who am, but you are who you are. We're equals: the new covenant with my people. Israel is your land, but it is not as valuable as your principles. Human sacrifice must end. Jerusalem is not sacred, the people are, not the land. As Allah, I confirm I am also Jehovah. Proud of Arabic improvements. Mohammed is My last prophet. Very proud of Islamics, but suggests: know that He doesn't care about versions of Islam. Think about restoring the Islamic Golden Age. Treatment of women shouldn't go backwards. In Heaven the groups are kept separatebut only to let you calm down. And when women are respected, then you'll be proud of your Islamic culture. And then Heaven won't have separate groups for Muslims. To Mormons: a good culture. Jesus: 80% of misery self-inflicted. Purity of Elisabeth Smart is not a problem -- should feel you've been sullied despite years of rape in captivity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 11/30/2014 10:15 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : At least this guy isn't using TM tonality like Bevvy. He's really pushing the name dropping and the you too were Great Ones. Guy is clear though. Organized, very fucking prepared, good recall. Yes, he's a very good speaker. I was trying to imagine a pre-programmed drone like Bevan or Hagelin trying to pull this off and it really wouldn't work. This guy thinks on his feet for sure. He's coming off as someone who has some wisdom and some scholarship which of course can all be pumped into his dreams. If he had been born in a non-American culture, the same type of dreams could have been saturated with the names of other traditions. It's all very convenient that he sees Marshy as he was when he was 55, probably the last time he actually saw him. Seems like he's trying to establish why the TMO's present leaders are to be seen as failures and no longer true movement leaders. to not tell stories anymore -- yet he's telling a story to all of us! Grrr. No one has ever merged with the Absolute. -- That's a big ass issue, eh? It's lucky for his story that nobody did merge, because they wouldn't be talking to him would they! Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
So, I'm impressed. The guy has his shtick down pat. I can't see the TMO patting him on the back for saying Maharishi said the TMO is sorta okay. Hey! Looks like we can all put out a shingle now and teach!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I chose to take my daughter and her mom to see Mockingjay, Part 1 and lunch afterwards - just got home so I am watching the tail end - I agree with Sal, it is sad to watch someone articulate and educated believing such drivel. And I agree that this looks like the beginning of a new and short lived movement of old and gullible folks. Jarvis has got to be mighty off the wall to endorse this stuff - maybe he's just doing it to irritate the regular Movement leaders like Bevan who eclipsed him long ago. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The fascinating thing from my point of view (back from dinner now) is that this guy's *entire* act is about fear of death. HIS fear of death. To avoid dealing with the concept of death, he's invented being able to talk with his dead sister and parents, with dead Maharishi, with dead Jesus and with a bunch of supposed dead hoo-hahs who tell him how important he was in previous lives. He's so boring. I reckon he'll get smited by all these Gods for speaking such tedious drivel on their behalf. Preaching to Muslims really will get him smited, if any of them were listening that is. In a way it's a pity that Jimbo threw a tantrum and stalked off in a snit...again, because I just can't wait for him to play one-upsmanship games with this guy, claiming to have been more important in all of these supposedly shared incarnations that he claims to have been. :-) :-) :-) I look forward to Curtis' take on this whole thing, especially because he'll probably be able to comment on 1) the general vibe in the room, 2) what went down during the QA (which as I understand it won't be broadcast on the stream), and 3) what went down in the room and outside the hall as people chatted each other up after this event. Maybe he'll be a convert and come back with a message from Jehovah just for FFLers: Willytex is the chosen one...heed his words, no matter how banal, predictable and tedious #yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540 -- #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp #yiv6981052540hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp #yiv6981052540ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp .yiv6981052540ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp .yiv6981052540ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-mkp .yiv6981052540ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-sponsor #yiv6981052540ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-sponsor #yiv6981052540ygrp-lc #yiv6981052540hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540ygrp-sponsor #yiv6981052540ygrp-lc .yiv6981052540ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv6981052540 #yiv6981052540activity span .yiv6981052540underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6981052540 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv6981052540 .yiv6981052540bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6981052540 dd.yiv6981052540last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6981052540 dd.yiv6981052540last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6981052540 dd.yiv6981052540last p span.yiv6981052540yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv6981052540 div.yiv6981052540attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6981052540 div.yiv6981052540attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv6981052540 div.yiv6981052540file-title a, #yiv6981052540 div.yiv6981052540file-title a:active, #yiv6981052540 div.yiv6981052540file-title a:hover, #yiv6981052540 div.yiv6981052540file-title a:visited {text
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, I'm impressed. The guy has his shtick down pat. I'm impressed that you paid attention to the end. I couldn't wait for it to be over simply because of the way his voice droned and with those portentous pauses at the end. I guess the all-Father wants a bit of dignity given to his words but that's probably not the effect he was after I suspect. The gods will be disappointed in their choice of messenger I think. And there was nothing for the scientologists either... To have done that without an autocue is the most impressive thing about him. but it was funny watching him dance round the controversy over Palestine, it didn't work and if Jehovah hasn't got the answer then no one has! I do hope for his sake that the Arabs don't hear his call from Mohamed to give women equal rights and bring democracy to the Middle East. That's the sort of thing that gets heads chopped off out there... I can't see the TMO patting him on the back for saying Maharishi said the TMO is sorta okay. I always thought that Marshy must be pissed off that he had such poor cloth to cut his movement from, but he trained them so it must be him they reflect. Maybe a lament along those lines would shake them up a bit more. Just for a laugh like.. Hey! Looks like we can all put out a shingle now and teach! Go for it. I hope Curtis had some good questions like, when does the Maharishi Effect start working?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
You mean everything is real and the absolute is imaginary? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenmentis realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything elseis just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! #yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391 -- #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp #yiv7041932391hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp #yiv7041932391ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp .yiv7041932391ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp .yiv7041932391ad p {margin:0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp .yiv7041932391ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-sponsor #yiv7041932391ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-sponsor #yiv7041932391ygrp-lc #yiv7041932391hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-sponsor #yiv7041932391ygrp-lc .yiv7041932391ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span .yiv7041932391underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 dd.yiv7041932391last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 dd.yiv7041932391last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 dd.yiv7041932391last p span.yiv7041932391yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a:active, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a:hover, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a:active, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a:hover, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 div#yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7041932391ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7041932391yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv7041932391 o {font-size:0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv7041932391 input, #yiv7041932391 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7041932391 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You mean everything is real and the absolute is imaginary? Yup, I'm as much a philosophical realist as you can be in a post-Newtonian, quantum world. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenmentis realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything elseis just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! #yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391 -- #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp #yiv7041932391hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp #yiv7041932391ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp .yiv7041932391ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp .yiv7041932391ad p {margin:0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mkp .yiv7041932391ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-sponsor #yiv7041932391ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-sponsor #yiv7041932391ygrp-lc #yiv7041932391hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-sponsor #yiv7041932391ygrp-lc .yiv7041932391ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391activity span .yiv7041932391underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 dd.yiv7041932391last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 dd.yiv7041932391last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7041932391 dd.yiv7041932391last p span.yiv7041932391yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a:active, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a:hover, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a:active, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a:hover, #yiv7041932391 div.yiv7041932391photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7041932391 div#yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7041932391ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7041932391yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv7041932391 o {font-size:0;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv7041932391 .yiv7041932391replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7041932391 #yiv7041932391ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
So where do the esoteric experiences you have described from meditation come from if not from the Absolute? In addition I am watching Hammond talk about seeing Marshy - this guy was hallucinating and that's about it. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You mean everything is real and the absolute is imaginary? Yup, I'm as much a philosophical realist as you can be in a post-Newtonian, quantum world. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenmentis realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything elseis just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! #yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454 -- #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp #yiv1476728454hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp #yiv1476728454ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp .yiv1476728454ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp .yiv1476728454ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-mkp .yiv1476728454ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-sponsor #yiv1476728454ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-sponsor #yiv1476728454ygrp-lc #yiv1476728454hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454ygrp-sponsor #yiv1476728454ygrp-lc .yiv1476728454ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454activity span .yiv1476728454underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 dd.yiv1476728454last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1476728454 dd.yiv1476728454last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1476728454 dd.yiv1476728454last p span.yiv1476728454yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454file-title a, #yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454file-title a:active, #yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454file-title a:hover, #yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454photo-title a, #yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454photo-title a:active, #yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454photo-title a:hover, #yiv1476728454 div.yiv1476728454photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1476728454 div#yiv1476728454ygrp-mlmsg #yiv1476728454ygrp-msg p a span.yiv1476728454yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv1476728454 o {font-size:0;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv1476728454 #yiv1476728454reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv1476728454 .yiv1476728454replbq {margin:4px
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists a message from Xenu. Then we'd know he was in touch with the Great Ones and not just stringing us a line from a daydream he had. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So where do the esoteric experiences you have described from meditation come from if not from the Absolute? From my head. My head creates my experience of the world outside and meditation changes how the different parts of the brain communicates so that my subjective world alters too. I think. It's either that or some mystical thing that is beyond our understanding. So I stick with materialism until proved otherwise because we know our brains are running the show and we've no reason to suspect there is need of any other forces to create consciousness. While it remains poorly understood there will always be wiggle room for people to sneak in ideas that make it seem more than it is. In addition I am watching Hammond talk about seeing Marshy - this guy was hallucinating and that's about it. I felt a bit sorry for him after a while. But he lives in an exciting world, I never get to speak with God How was the Mockingjay movie? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You mean everything is real and the absolute is imaginary? Yup, I'm as much a philosophical realist as you can be in a post-Newtonian, quantum world. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 11/30/2014 12:19 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! Yup, everything else is the relative. It's the basic teaching of SCI, Indian philosophy and even Zoroaster. I've told the story many times here of the emcee at the Katakali Dance Theater in Cochin explaining this and saying that it was so incomprehensible to simple people that the ancients made up the gods as metaphors to explain it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 11/30/2014 11:31 AM, Duveyoung wrote: This guy is serious. /No this is hilarious - the misfits that got kicked out of the TMO are the only ones on FFL that are watching the live stream./ Presenting himself as truthful. Talked with the Holy Tradition guys after MMY called a meeting. He could get a following with this shit. Anyone ever meet this guy in real life?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 11/30/2014 11:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */He probably should have read the Harry Potter books before deciding to call one of this astral holy tradition He who must not be named. :-)/* /It looks like the pirate, Barry Wright, is staying up late watching the live stream. LoL!/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 11/30/2014 1:20 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */The fascinating thing from my point of view (back from dinner now) is that this guy's *entire* act is about fear of death. HIS fear of death. /* /* */Just cut the bullshit, Barry, and tell us why you called yourself /Uncle Tantra./ Why can't you just be honest?/* */ */To avoid dealing with the concept of death, he's invented being able to talk with his dead sister and parents, with dead Maharishi, with dead Jesus and with a bunch of supposed dead hoo-hahs who tell him how important he was in previous lives./* */ /* */In a way it's a pity that Jimbo threw a tantrum and stalked off in a snit...again, because I just can't wait for him to play one-upsmanship games with this guy, claiming to have been more important in all of these supposedly shared incarnations that he claims to have been. :-) :-) :-)/* */ /* */I look forward to Curtis' take on this whole thing, especially because he'll probably be able to comment on 1) the general vibe in the room, 2) what went down during the QA (which as I understand it won't be broadcast on the stream), and 3) what went down in the room and outside the hall as people chatted each other up after this event./*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists a message from Xenu. Then we'd know he was in touch with the Great Ones and not just stringing us a line from a daydream he had. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenmentis realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything elseis just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! #yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020 -- #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp #yiv0991708020hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp #yiv0991708020ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp .yiv0991708020ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp .yiv0991708020ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-mkp .yiv0991708020ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-sponsor #yiv0991708020ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-sponsor #yiv0991708020ygrp-lc #yiv0991708020hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv0991708020 #yiv0991708020ygrp-sponsor #yiv0991708020ygrp-lc .yiv0991708020ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
So where do the esoteric experiences you have described from meditation come from if not from the Absolute? To quote Maharishi defending his call to study meditation using scientific apparatus: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable. The relevant part is: wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. Maharishi assumes that wholeness (Brahm?) exists and our nervous system can change in ways that enable us to appreciate it. You can assert that the wholeness doesn't really exist and that the changes in the nervous system are solely responsible for the perception of the non-existent thing. That might be the case, but if those changes are useful in and of themselves, does it matter? The behavioral improvements shown by the vast majority of inmates in Senegal who learned TM meant it was of value to the prison system and hopefully to the inmates, even if the mullahs eventually ruled against it. Likewise, the new research on genetic expression that was done at MUM by Wenuganen Supaya for his doctoral thesis is very exciting. If it is confirmed by longitudental studies that TM practice really does change teh expression of the 74 genes in beneficial ways that he found in long-term TMers vs non-TMing controls of the same age, this could be very exciting. Such changes are part of the progression towards the ability to appreciate wholeness. It might be that you can evoke those behavioral and genetic changes without enhancing the ability to perceive wholeness, and perhaps in the future, people will opt for that, instead, but if a single technique, or a group of related techniques, can bring about such changes, as part of the process of growing to appreciate wholeness, it doesn't seem that bad a deal to practice them, even if the side-effect, growth in appreciation of wholeness, is merely an illusion. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So where do the esoteric experiences you have described from meditation come from if not from the Absolute? From my head. My head creates my experience of the world outside and meditation changes how the different parts of the brain communicates so that my subjective world alters too. I think. It's either that or some mystical thing that is beyond our understanding. So I stick with materialism until proved otherwise because we know our brains are running the show and we've no reason to suspect there is need of any other forces to create consciousness. While it remains poorly understood there will always be wiggle room for people to sneak in ideas that make it seem more than it is. In addition I am watching Hammond talk about seeing Marshy - this guy was hallucinating and that's about it. I felt a bit sorry for him after a while. But he lives in an exciting world, I never get to speak with God How was the Mockingjay movie? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You mean everything is real and the absolute is imaginary? Yup, I'm as much a philosophical realist as you can be in a post-Newtonian, quantum world. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
The gods are teh devas, which means shining ones. Using Maharishi's terminology, someone in God Consciousness notices that the wholeness of the functioning of the brain starts to reconfigure in a certain way to process incoming data, or express a specific aspect of being human. The reconfiguration, where some parts of the brain become more active and some less, shines forth in a way distinct from the actual objects of perception associated with that kind of processing, and is given a label: the deva so-and-so, whose job it is to handle math, or love or whatever. Repeat the description of that and pass it along, and eventually the devas become gods in a religion. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 11/30/2014 12:19 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! Yup, everything else is the relative. It's the basic teaching of SCI, Indian philosophy and even Zoroaster. I've told the story many times here of the emcee at the Katakali Dance Theater in Cochin explaining this and saying that it was so incomprehensible to simple people that the ancients made up the gods as metaphors to explain it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations. Many, many incarnations. I reallly had to pee. So after lunch I go back for something sweet and they had some very nice blackberries which are expensive, but zero chocolate, imagine that? No tiny little lemon tarts without too much sugar that make your mouth pucker at first and then you realized the perfection of facing the sour with just enough butter in the crust and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
You know, in a past life, I was Curtis Blues. Oh, wait, he's still alive isn't he? Correction: I will be Curtis Blues in a past life. I got my chronosynchronicity signals out of phase. Akashic static as the signals are amplitude modulation and the S/N ratio is low for non current events. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Re We don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore: Damn - that's the only bit of Sanskrit I know. Re He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me): You're spot on about Twain - he loathed the whole Christian Science scene, for example. If this guy was ever Plato or Pythagoras, I've got a few questions to ask him about irrational numbers and Platonic Forms. I'll bet he wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE
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I will have to agree with sincere huckster. In retrospect who he reminds me of the most in terms of the fluidity of his delivery and his seeming honest comfort with the outrageous stories he's telling is Carlos Castaneda. When I met him, he was exactly the same way -- so sure of himself and so fluid in the way he described don Juan and the magical things that went on around him that you felt you almost *had* to believe it. Then later I learned more about Carlos. Turns out that there was strong evidence of him being a serial liar and psychopathic liar all of his life. It was a pattern that was already present long before he came to the US to study at UCLA. In gaining his original student status he'd lied about his original name, where he came from in South America, and failed to mention that he'd abandoned a wife and kid there. Later, it seems that he'd taken this same...uh...less-than-truthful approach first to his research as an antrhopologist and later to being a big, best-selling New Age author. At first he took *other people's stories* and claimed that they were his own, and then later he began making them up entirely. But the thing is, in person he was so fluid and natural-sounding when *telling* these stories -- either in person or in his writing -- that he convinced people to believe them. What I think is going on with George Hammond is that he is not very clueful about the workings of his own mind. He falls into altered states of consciousness in which his dreaming mind becomes active as it is processing weird stuff he's read about all day about Western religions and the stuff he's interested in. In that partially-awake dreaming state, his mind introduces other characters because of his fear of death, his desire to see loved ones like his sister and Maharishi again, and his desire to be special and important and the center of all cosmic action. So he lays there for a while, indulging these quasi-dreaming states, and then tells stories about them to anyone who will listen, insisting that they are real visions. And, as with Castaneda, every time he tells the story it becomes more natural and more fluid for him, and he himself becomes more convinced it was real. This becomes a self-reinforcing cycle, because every time he tells the stories a few people go Wow and that increases his self-importance. Anyway, that's my take on it all. Entertaining, but in the end he *really* doesn't have the charisma he would need to attract a younger audience, one that is not on death's door and panicking about it like the audience he was talking to yesterday. THOSE are the people who will believe him and flock to him, because his spiel is meant to convince them that 1) they are important and at the center of great events, 2) they are eternal and will never die, and 3) they're part of a big Movement of Woo Woo guys (did you notice there were no gals) who are officially The Biggest, Baddest Spiritual Movers The Planet Has Ever Seen. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenmentis realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything elseis just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round! #yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295 -- #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp #yiv6151699295hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp #yiv6151699295ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp .yiv6151699295ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp .yiv6151699295ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-mkp .yiv6151699295ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-sponsor #yiv6151699295ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6151699295 #yiv6151699295ygrp-sponsor #yiv6151699295ygrp-lc #yiv6151699295hd {margin:10px
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Perfect. My condolences for the lack of little lemon pies. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations. Many, many incarnations. I reallly had to pee. So after lunch I go back for something
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after he died. The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a movie next time. People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking back to see why he was right. Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
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You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists a message from Xenu. Then we'd know he was in touch with the Great Ones and not just stringing us a line from a daydream he had. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live