[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   snip
The TMO is now publishing research in UFO journals.
   
   No, it isn't. Vaj is lying.
  
  Geez, Judy you caught Vaj in three whopper in a
  row. Jackpot!
 
 I *do* not understand the liar's mentality,
 especially that of the casual, reflexive liars
 like Vaj and Barry.
snip

Speaking of Vaj's endless stream of casual lies, I 
came across one by accident the other day when I was 
looking through the archives for something else. 
It's in his post #226539 of August 4, 2009:

That they have members of the TM Org scouring the 
web has been known for some time. For example, I've 
heard a number of people comment that TM org plants 
and volunteers have for a long time taken control of 
all Wikipedia articles related to TM or the 
Maharishi.

While there are TMers who work on editing the TM-
related Wikipedia articles, and it's certainly not 
impossible they've been assigned to do so by the 
TMO, it's also just as likely they're doing so on 
their own hook.

But as I pointed out at the time, that they've 
taken control of the editing process is a flat-out 
lie. Anybody can check that for themselves; the 
editing process for every Wikipedia article takes 
place in the Discussion and Talk sections, which you 
can access at the top of the article page. All edits 
are recorded in the History section, likewise 
available at the top of the page.

What you'll find (as I noted in my original response 
to Vaj's post) is extensive and largely cordial 
*interaction* among TMers, neutral parties 
(sometimes including Wikipedia editorial 
administrators), and TM critics as they work on 
hammering out a consensus about an article. It's 
quite impossible for anyone to take control of the 
process; it simply wouldn't be permitted.

This is what I had missed the first time around, the 
last sentence of the paragraph quoted above:

One is even alleged to be a certain editor.

At the time, I thought Vaj meant that one of the 
Wikipedia editorial administrators was alleged to be 
a TMer. I doubt that's the case, but I have no 
knowledge either way, so I didn't comment 
specifically.

Now I realize I had misread what he was saying. Vaj 
was suggesting that *I*--a certain editor--was one 
of the people who had taken control of the 
Wikipedia TM-related articles.

In fact, the only person who alleges that is Vaj, 
and he has *zero* basis for saying so. His 
allegation is made up out of whole cloth solely for 
the purpose of sliming me.

I have never participated in editing a TM-related 
Wikipedia article (or any other Wikipedia article, 
for that matter, with the exception of a very minor 
bit of copy editing some years ago that I did on 
impulse; I don't even remember what that article was 
about, but it wasn't anything TM-related).

So just one more reflexive, casual, gratuitous lie 
from Vaj to add to the accumulating steaming pile.




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 Big deal.
 
 Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive thing 
 to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular meditator 
 and even I don't trust their research...


You don't trust Columbia University Medical Center either ?

You seem to need a checking ! 


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
  prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
  /news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
  editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
  november 2009 00:01NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
  Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
  Medical Center
  The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
  Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center for
  Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of Management
  Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to determine
  whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can help
  patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart attacks
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.
  
  The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
  Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African Americans,
  will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
  City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  or bypass surgery, angioplasty,
  or chronic angina.
  
  For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and progression of
  heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author and
  director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and Prevention.
  And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes supervised
  exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a formal
  stress reduction program.
  
  Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding stress
  reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
  conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of serious
  CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
  Schneider said.
  
  Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
  changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
  noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
  emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
  Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
  co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us to
  visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
  state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow to
  the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on CHD.
  
  The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
  American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
  Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
  applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded. In
  the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant is
  to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
  more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider said.
  
  The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
  Transcendental Meditation as a promising tool in helping to prevent
  heart attacks /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes, and death
  related to coronary events. This is worthwhile research since we know
  that strong emotional stress can lead to conditions such as arrhythmia
  and hypertension, said NHLBI Director Elizabeth Nabel, M.D.
  
  Results from several earlier trials on the Transcendental Meditation
  program found reductions in risk factors for heart disease, such as
  hypertension, psychological stress, insulin resistance, and build-up of
  atherosclerosis in the arteries, with indications of reduced mortality
  from heart disease. This newly funded study will directly evaluate
  coronary artery disease and continue to examine the potential of
  meditation for improvements in cardiovascular health.
  
  
  * Coronary heart disease (CHD) is the leading cause of death in the
  United States
  
  
  * There are nearly 1.5 million heart attacks
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  per year in the US, according the
  American Heart Association
  
  
  * An American will suffer a heart attack
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  every 34 seconds
  
  
  * Coronary heart disease is also the leading cause of soaring health
  care costs; more than $475 billion spent annually on treating CHD,
  including
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 snip
  Schneider has a history of TM research quackery.
 
 No, he doesn't. Vaj is lying.

Fulltime and as usual.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread Vaj


On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:34 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:


 Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your opinion over
 published scientific research.

Why should they?

I'm not a scientist.



One reason they'd have for taking you seriously is because you're both  
a TM teacher and an MIU grad, and therefore you're the most likely to  
be biased and to stand behind their research, like a True Believer  
would. So when you produce a clearly dissenting opinion, it tends to  
make one raise their eyebrows. Why would someone so invested in an org  
and a product go against them?


One's forced to consider that because of your insight and closeness,  
you may know what you're talking about and just be a person not afraid  
to be honest about their opinion.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread Vaj


On Nov 7, 2009, at 10:24 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:





 The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
 Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
 applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840  
awarded. In
 the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this  
grant is

 to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
 more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider  
said.


 The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
 Transcendental Meditation

Really, as part of the recovery, aren't there more cost effective  
ways of bringing something like this meditation to people?



Teach it in hospitals everywhere for free for people who are hurting  
in some way.




...oops, that's already being done!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread Vaj


On Nov 7, 2009, at 10:24 PM, raunchydog wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5  
dhamiltony...@... wrote:




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@  
wrote:

 
  Big deal.
 
  Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a  
positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36  
year regular meditator and even I don't trust their research...

 
 

Shemp, if the research is positive and proves conclusively it helps  
people with CHD, what's not to trust? The research? You're not  
making any sense.



Typically RD it's the methodology, the lack of appropriate controls,  
inherent bias (research performed by TB's) and lack of a serious null  
hypothesis that dooms TM research.

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:34 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
 
   Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your opinion over
   published scientific research.
 
  Why should they?
 
  I'm not a scientist.
 
 
 One reason they'd have for taking you seriously is because you're both  
 a TM teacher and an MIU grad, and therefore you're the most likely to  
 be biased and to stand behind their research, like a True Believer  
 would. So when you produce a clearly dissenting opinion, it tends to  
 make one raise their eyebrows. Why would someone so invested in an org  
 and a product go against them?
 

Published research v. Shemp's OPINION? Really? Once again Vaj raises the 
eyebrows of discerning people while spouting utter nonsense. Why would Vaj, a 
person invested in trashing all things TM, urge Shemp to make a fool of 
himself? Ya gotta wonder. It doesn't matter whether or not someone has an axe 
to grind on the TMO, OPINIONS v. facts don't stand a chance. Shemp's right. 
He's not a scientist and neither is Vaj for that matter.

 One's forced to consider that because of your insight and closeness,  
 you may know what you're talking about and just be a person not afraid  
 to be honest about their opinion.






[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
 Typically RD it's the methodology, the lack of appropriate 
 controls, inherent bias (research performed by TB's) and
 lack of a serious null hypothesis that dooms TM research.

However, since the co-director of the study is also the
director of nuclear cardiology at New York-Presbyterian
Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center, with a
reputation to uphold, it seems rather unlikely that this
study would be allowed to follow such a pattern.

(The null hypothesis, BTW, is that stress reduction via
TM will not be shown to increase blood flow to the heart
in cardiac patients as measured by PET scan.)




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread authfriend


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:34 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
 
   Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts
   your opinion over published scientific research.
 
  Why should they?
 
  I'm not a scientist.
 
 One reason they'd have for taking you seriously is because
 you're both a TM teacher and an MIU grad, and therefore
 you're the most likely to be biased and to stand behind
 their research, like a True Believer would. So when you
 produce a clearly dissenting opinion, it tends to make
 one raise their eyebrows.

Unless, of course, they happened to know that Shemp has
less than zero investment in the TMO.

 Why would someone so invested in an org and a product
 go against them?

Maybe because, not being a scientist, they've been
misled by unscrupulous critics about the quality of
TM research on, say, an Internet forum?




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  snip
   The TMO is now publishing research in UFO journals.
  
  No, it isn't. Vaj is lying.
 
 Geez, Judy you caught Vaj in three whopper in a
 row. Jackpot!

I *do* not understand the liar's mentality,
especially that of the casual, reflexive liars
like Vaj and Barry. Maybe if they never got
caught at it and it gave them some advantage,
it would make sense; but these two are such
incompetent liars they get caught at it *all
the time*.

What on earth is the point? Does it give them
some sort of charge to lie? Is it a thrill?
Is it a self-destructive urge, a subconscious
impulse to demonstrate what inadequate human
beings they are?

I mean, they must be getting some kind of
powerful internal reinforcement that makes
them feel either good or less bad, regardless
of the fact they aren't getting any external
reinforcement. Does it have to do with
upbringing? Did their parents constantly lie
to them? Did they have to constantly lie to
their parents to avoid brutal treatment or
withdrawal of love?

Do they suffer private guilt for lying but
are compelled to do it anyway?

It really does seem as though it must be an
issue of psychic survival. Is reality so
unpleasant, so intolerable, to them that the
only way they can make it through the day
is to pretend things are otherwise than they
are? Do they actually *believe* their own
lies?

How do they reconcile their dishonesty with
their spiritual values?

How in the *heck* can you feel you've made
your case in a discussion if you've had to
lie to do it?

I just find the whole syndrome deeply 
mysterious.




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread ShempMcGurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:34 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
  
Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts
your opinion over published scientific research.
  
   Why should they?
  
   I'm not a scientist.
  
  One reason they'd have for taking you seriously is because
  you're both a TM teacher and an MIU grad, and therefore
  you're the most likely to be biased and to stand behind
  their research, like a True Believer would. So when you
  produce a clearly dissenting opinion, it tends to make
  one raise their eyebrows.
 
 Unless, of course, they happened to know that Shemp has
 less than zero investment in the TMO.


[snip]


Judy, I've posted I don't know how many times my feelings towards the TMO and 
how they've conducted themselves through the years (particularly as it pertains 
to marketing their scientific research).  And many of those posts have been 
directed specifically to Vaj.

Yet he insists upon seeing me through his stereotypical TM TBer glasses and 
paint me with one broad brush.

So, what can I do other than ignore him?



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   snip
The TMO is now publishing research in UFO journals.
   
   No, it isn't. Vaj is lying.
  
  Geez, Judy you caught Vaj in three whopper in a
  row. Jackpot!
 
 I *do* not understand the liar's mentality,
 especially that of the casual, reflexive liars
 like Vaj and Barry. Maybe if they never got
 caught at it and it gave them some advantage,
 it would make sense; but these two are such
 incompetent liars they get caught at it *all
 the time*.
 
 What on earth is the point? Does it give them
 some sort of charge to lie? Is it a thrill?
 Is it a self-destructive urge, a subconscious
 impulse to demonstrate what inadequate human
 beings they are?
 
 I mean, they must be getting some kind of
 powerful internal reinforcement that makes
 them feel either good or less bad, regardless
 of the fact they aren't getting any external
 reinforcement. Does it have to do with
 upbringing? Did their parents constantly lie
 to them? Did they have to constantly lie to
 their parents to avoid brutal treatment or
 withdrawal of love?
 
 Do they suffer private guilt for lying but
 are compelled to do it anyway?
 
 It really does seem as though it must be an
 issue of psychic survival. Is reality so
 unpleasant, so intolerable, to them that the
 only way they can make it through the day
 is to pretend things are otherwise than they
 are? Do they actually *believe* their own
 lies?
 
 How do they reconcile their dishonesty with
 their spiritual values?
 
 How in the *heck* can you feel you've made
 your case in a discussion if you've had to
 lie to do it?
 
 I just find the whole syndrome deeply 
 mysterious.


The syndrome is a global disease called lust for money

My guess is that they are paid, and payed well for their activities against the 
TMO. Cash is King in their universe and this Vaj character is obviously at it 
on a professional everyday basis. 

Who payes them I do not know. What we do know is that they are both socalled 
Buddhists and that this tibetan lama in India, the selfproclaimed His 
Holiness has a lot of cash coming in from, amongst other places, Hollywood 
stars.

As the americans says: Go figure !



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread ShempMcGurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:



[snip]


Shemp's right. He's not a scientist and neither is Vaj for that matter.


[snip]


Of course, I am a scientific expert on global warming and I should be listened 
and adhered to by one and all on what I say on that matter.



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread ShempMcGurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   Big deal.
   
   Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive 
   thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular 
   meditator and even I don't trust their research...
   
  
 
 Shemp, if the research is positive and proves conclusively it helps people 
 with CHD, what's not to trust? The research? You're not making any sense.
  




Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that TM is the best thing for people with CHD 
and that the research will show that...AND that the research is done in the 
most objective, serious way.

It's once the TMO gets its hands on it, interprets it, and then publishes it 
with gold-crusted paint on the sides that will ruin everything. 






  hum, trust. in TMO or Maharishi over the years.  Should have been an 
  interesting thing to have polled and followed in meditators.  Even now.
  
  
 
 Doug, polling meditators whether or not they trust TMO or MMY has nothing to 
 do with this research project. The outcome will prove beneficial for people 
 with CHD or not. The fact that Schneider and all were able to get the grant 
 and are willing to subject CHD patients to scientific scrutiny doing TM, says 
 they have confidence in a positive outcome. For the sake of the many CHD 
 patients TM could help in the future, I hope they are right. I wish them 
 success.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
   
NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
/news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
november 2009 00:01NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
Medical Center
The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center for
Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of Management
Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to determine
whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can help
patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart attacks
/health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.

The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African Americans,
will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
/health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  or bypass surgery, angioplasty,
or chronic angina.

For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and progression of
heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author and
director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and Prevention.
And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes supervised
exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a formal
stress reduction program.

Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding stress
reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of serious
CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
Schneider said.

Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us to
visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow to
the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on CHD.

The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded. In
the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant is
to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider said.

The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
Transcendental Meditation as a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread ShempMcGurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  Big deal.
  
  Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive 
  thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular 
  meditator and even I don't trust their research...
 
 
 You don't trust Columbia University Medical Center either ?
 
 You seem to need a checking ! 


[snip]



No, what I need is to be rid of cult-addled idiots like you who have ruined the 
TMO.





[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread PaliGap


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk 
shempmcg...@... wrote:

 [snip]
 Of course, I am a scientific expert on
 global warming and I should be listened and 
 adhered to by one and all on what I say on 
 that matter.

Too right!

Saw this in my paper today:

Al Gore, who art in thy fully offset private jet; 
Nobel-prized be thy name; 
Thy carbon-free kingdom come; 
On planet Earth (otherwise known as Gaia) as it should 
be after Copenhagen; 
Give us this day our daily meat-free diet; 
And forgive us our emissions, though we don't forgive
any other big fat Americans who emit against us; 
Lead us not into exotic holiday flights; 
And deliver us from climate denial; for the science is 
settled. 
Amen

Here in Brit-Land there was a curious development this 
week when a court that decides on employment law ruled 
in favour of a climate activist who has sought to have 
his greenism put on a par with other religious beliefs.

Some are saying this looks like a bit of an own goal 
by the green fundies, as er... isn't it supposed be 
science and not religion?

Dominic Lawson notes:

Interestingly, Burton is the very same judge that two 
years ago found for a Kent school governor who brought 
a case against the government's plans to supply every 
school with a DVD of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth. 
The judge agreed that the film was flawed. He decreed 
that it contained nine scientific errors and that the 
government should accompany any DVDs sent to schools 
with guidance pointing out, among other things, that 
polar bears are not drowning in the absence of 
sufficient quantities of ice. Put away those hankies, 
children: they're going to be all right. 

Dominic Lawson Non-believers fill the church of green 
gods:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/domi
nic_lawson/article6907865.ece

http://tinyurl.com/yfwuhto



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  I *do* not understand the liar's mentality,
  especially that of the casual, reflexive liars
  like Vaj and Barry. Maybe if they never got
  caught at it and it gave them some advantage,
  it would make sense; but these two are such
  incompetent liars they get caught at it *all
  the time*.
snip
  I just find the whole syndrome deeply 
  mysterious.
 
 The syndrome is a global disease called lust for money
 
 My guess is that they are paid, and payed well for their
 activities against the TMO. Cash is King in their universe
 and this Vaj character is obviously at it on a
 professional everyday basis.

Seriously doubt it. They're such ineffective liars
that if they were being paid to do it, they'd have
been fired long since.

Of course, they could be from the *TMO*, planted with
instructions to make themselves look as stupid and
malicious as possible to discredit TM critics...





[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread ShempMcGurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  [snip]
  Of course, I am a scientific expert on
  global warming and I should be listened and 
  adhered to by one and all on what I say on 
  that matter.
 
 Too right!
 
 Saw this in my paper today:
 
 Al Gore, who art in thy fully offset private jet; 
 Nobel-prized be thy name; 
 Thy carbon-free kingdom come; 
 On planet Earth (otherwise known as Gaia) as it should 
 be after Copenhagen; 
 Give us this day our daily meat-free diet; 
 And forgive us our emissions, though we don't forgive
 any other big fat Americans who emit against us; 
 Lead us not into exotic holiday flights; 
 And deliver us from climate denial; for the science is 
 settled. 
 Amen
 
 Here in Brit-Land there was a curious development this 
 week when a court that decides on employment law ruled 
 in favour of a climate activist who has sought to have 
 his greenism put on a par with other religious beliefs.




By climate activist I am assuming that you mean a believer in catastrophic 
man-made global warming, as opposed to those that have come to be known as 
climate deniers?

If so, this surprises me because, at least in the United States, such a ruling 
would mean disaster to the pro-Al-Gore, pro-global warming crowd.  Adjudicating 
global warming as a religion in a court of law would mean that separation of 
church and state would come into play and there could no longer be ANY 
governmental funding of global warming policy or law!

And that would be fantastic!




 
 Some are saying this looks like a bit of an own goal 
 by the green fundies, as er... isn't it supposed be 
 science and not religion?
 
 Dominic Lawson notes:
 
 Interestingly, Burton is the very same judge that two 
 years ago found for a Kent school governor who brought 
 a case against the government's plans to supply every 
 school with a DVD of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth. 
 The judge agreed that the film was flawed. He decreed 
 that it contained nine scientific errors and that the 
 government should accompany any DVDs sent to schools 
 with guidance pointing out, among other things, that 
 polar bears are not drowning in the absence of 
 sufficient quantities of ice. Put away those hankies, 
 children: they're going to be all right. 
 
 Dominic Lawson Non-believers fill the church of green 
 gods:
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/domi
 nic_lawson/article6907865.ece
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yfwuhto





[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   Big deal.
   
   Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive 
   thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular 
   meditator and even I don't trust their research...
  
  
  You don't trust Columbia University Medical Center either ?
  
  You seem to need a checking ! 
 
 
 [snip]
 
 
 
 No, what I need is to be rid of cult-addled idiots like you who have ruined 
 the TMO.



The Movement belongs to those who move
- Maharishi

Which you obviously haven't since the 70's, you're stuck in the past. 

You are fast becoming a senior; have a checking before it's too late.



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:


 On Nov 7, 2009, at 6:45 PM, off_world_beings wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk
  shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   Big deal.
  
   Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a
  positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36
  year regular meditator and even I don't trust their research...
 
  Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your opinion over
  published scientific research.
 
 

 Uh, they just got the grant Off. I realize the TMO has already reached
 a conclusion, after all it's being done by biased TB's, but please
 wait till they perform the study to start saying it's published and
 that the results were oh so great!


 If you missed the BBC special, here's a copy.


Too bad for you that the NIH doesn't take sensationalist reporting as
having anything to do with science.

OffWorld



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-08 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
Big deal.

Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive 
thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year 
regular meditator and even I don't trust their research...

   
  
  Shemp, if the research is positive and proves conclusively it helps people 
  with CHD, what's not to trust? The research? You're not making any sense.
   
 
 
 
 
 Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that TM is the best thing for people with CHD 
 and that the research will show that...AND that the research is done in the 
 most objective, serious way.
 
 It's once the TMO gets its hands on it, interprets it, and then publishes it 
 with gold-crusted paint on the sides that will ruin everything. 
 

I see your point Shemp about the schmaltzy marketing, I agree it is gaudy and 
maybe off putting for some folks. For me, I always thought it was fun that 
Maharishi liked a lot of gold on everything. I fail to see how schmaltz would 
ruin the value of excellent research. If the CHD research proves successful, it 
should stand on its own without a lot of marketing. It seems like these are two 
separate issues. And who knows, you might see future research published in 
plain old black and white (boring) now that Maharishi isn't here to say, Gold, 
more Gold!  
  
   hum, trust. in TMO or Maharishi over the years.  Should have been an 
   interesting thing to have polled and followed in meditators.  Even now.
   
   
  
  Doug, polling meditators whether or not they trust TMO or MMY has nothing 
  to do with this research project. The outcome will prove beneficial for 
  people with CHD or not. The fact that Schneider and all were able to get 
  the grant and are willing to subject CHD patients to scientific scrutiny 
  doing TM, says they have confidence in a positive outcome. For the sake of 
  the many CHD patients TM could help in the future, I hope they are right. I 
  wish them success.
   




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread ShempMcGurk
Big deal.

Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive thing to 
do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular meditator and 
even I don't trust their research...


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
 prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
 /news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
 editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
 november 2009 00:01NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
 Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
 Medical Center
 The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
 Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center for
 Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of Management
 Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to determine
 whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can help
 patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart attacks
 /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.
 
 The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
 Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African Americans,
 will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
 City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
 /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  or bypass surgery, angioplasty,
 or chronic angina.
 
 For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and progression of
 heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author and
 director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and Prevention.
 And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes supervised
 exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a formal
 stress reduction program.
 
 Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding stress
 reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
 conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of serious
 CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
 Schneider said.
 
 Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
 changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
 noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
 emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
 Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
 co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us to
 visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
 state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow to
 the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on CHD.
 
 The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
 Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
 applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded. In
 the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant is
 to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
 more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider said.
 
 The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
 Transcendental Meditation as a promising tool in helping to prevent
 heart attacks /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes, and death
 related to coronary events. This is worthwhile research since we know
 that strong emotional stress can lead to conditions such as arrhythmia
 and hypertension, said NHLBI Director Elizabeth Nabel, M.D.
 
 Results from several earlier trials on the Transcendental Meditation
 program found reductions in risk factors for heart disease, such as
 hypertension, psychological stress, insulin resistance, and build-up of
 atherosclerosis in the arteries, with indications of reduced mortality
 from heart disease. This newly funded study will directly evaluate
 coronary artery disease and continue to examine the potential of
 meditation for improvements in cardiovascular health.
 
 
 * Coronary heart disease (CHD) is the leading cause of death in the
 United States
 
 
 * There are nearly 1.5 million heart attacks
 /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  per year in the US, according the
 American Heart Association
 
 
 * An American will suffer a heart attack
 /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  every 34 seconds
 
 
 * Coronary heart disease is also the leading cause of soaring health
 care costs; more than $475 billion spent annually on treating CHD,
 including
 * $100,000 for each coronary bypass surgery
 * $50,000 for each angioplasty
 * $30,000 for each diagnostic cardiac catheterization
 
 
 
 
 * There are nearly 500,000 coronary artery bypass grafts and 1.3
 million angioplasties performed every 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread Vaj


On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:51 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:


Big deal.

Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a  
positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36  
year regular meditator and even I don't trust their research...



Schneider has a history of TM research quackery. He's a TB doing  
research on a product he's addicted to, and a Cardiologist.


As is usual with the TMO, they've already decided what the results  
are. They just need to mash the numbers so they get a positive study  
that jives with their desires. As is also usual, I predict there will  
be inadequate controls.


There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. -  
Benjamin Disraeli


There are four kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, statistics and TMO  
research. - Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread raunchydog
Well, Mr. Smarty Pant. At least TMO merited a grant for $1 million. Did the 
Buddhists get any grant money? Probably not, otherwise you would be crowing 
about it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:51 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
 
  Big deal.
 
  Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a  
  positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36  
  year regular meditator and even I don't trust their research...
 
 
 Schneider has a history of TM research quackery. He's a TB doing  
 research on a product he's addicted to, and a Cardiologist.
 
 As is usual with the TMO, they've already decided what the results  
 are. They just need to mash the numbers so they get a positive study  
 that jives with their desires. As is also usual, I predict there will  
 be inadequate controls.
 
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. -  
 Benjamin Disraeli
 
 There are four kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, statistics and TMO  
 research. - Vaj





[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread off_world_beings


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@...
wrote:

 Big deal.

 Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive
thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36 year regular
meditator and even I don't trust their research...

Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your opinion over
published scientific research.




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
  prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
 
/news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
\
  editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
  november 2009 00:01 NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
  Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
  Medical Center
  The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
  Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center
for
  Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of
Management
  Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to
determine
  whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can
help
  patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart
attacks
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.
 
  The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
  Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African
Americans,
  will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
  City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx or bypass surgery,
angioplasty,
  or chronic angina.
 
  For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and
progression of
  heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author
and
  director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and
Prevention.
  And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes
supervised
  exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a
formal
  stress reduction program.
 
  Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding
stress
  reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
  conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of
serious
  CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
  Schneider said.
 
  Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
  changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
  noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
  emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
  Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
  co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us
to
  visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
  state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow
to
  the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on
CHD.
 
  The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
  American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
  Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
  applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded.
In
  the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant
is
  to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
  more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider
said.
 
  The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
  Transcendental Meditation as a promising tool in helping to prevent
  heart attacks /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes, and
death
  related to coronary events. This is worthwhile research since we
know
  that strong emotional stress can lead to conditions such as
arrhythmia
  and hypertension, said NHLBI Director Elizabeth Nabel, M.D.
 
  Results from several earlier trials on the Transcendental Meditation
  program found reductions in risk factors for heart disease, such as
  hypertension, psychological stress, insulin resistance, and build-up
of
  atherosclerosis in the arteries, with indications of reduced
mortality
  from heart disease. This newly funded study will directly evaluate
  coronary artery disease and continue to examine the potential of
  meditation for improvements in cardiovascular health.
 
 
  * Coronary heart disease (CHD) is the leading cause of death in the
  United States
 
 
  * There are nearly 1.5 million heart attacks
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx per year in the US, according
the
  American Heart Association
 
 
  * An American will suffer a heart attack
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx every 34 seconds
 
 
  * Coronary heart disease is also the leading cause of soaring health
  care costs; more than $475 billion spent annually on treating CHD,
  including
  * $100,000 for each coronary bypass 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread Vaj


On Nov 7, 2009, at 6:28 PM, raunchydog wrote:

Well, Mr. Smarty Pant. At least TMO merited a grant for $1 million.  
Did the Buddhists get any grant money? Probably not, otherwise you  
would be crowing about it.



What makes you think they would need to apply for one in the first  
place? They are already being publish in major, peer review journals.


The TMO is now publishing research in UFO journals. How apropos.

At this point Buddhist meditation research is increasing at an  
exponential rate. Insurance companies have been reimbursing Buddhist  
meditation for years now, based on their great evidence-based and  
sound research. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were awarded yet  
another grant. The interesting thing to me is that they don't go out  
and print numerous press releases the minute they get a grant, to try  
to keep their brand name in the spotlight!


Frankly, based on the poor nature of TM research for several decades,  
it would be best for the taxpayers if this particular org would be  
prevented from continuing to defraud US taxpayers!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread Vaj


On Nov 7, 2009, at 6:45 PM, off_world_beings wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk  
shempmcg...@... wrote:


 Big deal.

 Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a  
positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36  
year regular meditator and even I don't trust their research...


Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your opinion over  
published scientific research.





Uh, they just got the grant Off. I realize the TMO has already reached  
a conclusion, after all it's being done by biased TB's, but please  
wait till they perform the study to start saying it's published and  
that the results were oh so great!


Unfortunately various independent medical reviews continue to show TM  
research is really untrustworthy.


For a good laymen's explanation and a visit to whacky Fairfield, IA,  
see the BBC special on meditation research. It's esp. important to  
hear what it says about cardiac research (hint: it's not what the TM  
says it is). That's why they desperately keep trying to put out more  
and more research: if you repeat a lie enough times, people will  
believe it!


If you missed the BBC special, here's a copy.

Enjoy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
 Schneider has a history of TM research quackery.

No, he doesn't. Vaj is lying.




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread authfriend
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 
 On Nov 7, 2009, at 6:45 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk  
  shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   Big deal.
  
   Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes
   out as a positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO
   anymore? Heck, I'm a 36 year regular meditator and
   even I don't trust their research...
 
  Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your
  opinion over published scientific research.
 
 Uh, they just got the grant Off. I realize the TMO has
 already reached a conclusion, after all it's being done
 by biased TB's, but please wait till they perform the
 study to start saying it's published and that the results
 were oh so great!

That isn't even remotely what Off said, of course.

Vaj lies *reflexively*, without thinking about it. He
lies even when the refutation of the lie is quoted in
the same post as the lie.




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  On Nov 7, 2009, at 6:45 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk  
   shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
Big deal.
   
Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes
out as a positive thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO
anymore? Heck, I'm a 36 year regular meditator and
even I don't trust their research...
  
   Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your
   opinion over published scientific research.
  
  Uh, they just got the grant Off. I realize the TMO has
  already reached a conclusion, after all it's being done
  by biased TB's, but please wait till they perform the
  study to start saying it's published and that the results
  were oh so great!
 
 That isn't even remotely what Off said, of course.
 
 Vaj lies *reflexively*, without thinking about it. He
 lies even when the refutation of the lie is quoted in
 the same post as the lie.


The TMO research will have a narrow focus on CHD.  All they are doing is adding 
TM as a stress reduction program to an existing program, for which they have 
already have predictable results they can compare with the addition of TM.  
Have the Buddhist done a comparable study? Probably not, otherwise Vaj would be 
crowing about it. Instead he makes knee-jerk put-downs of Schneider and 
discounts the possibility that TM may actually produce an improvement for CHD 
patients.  The very specific parameters of the TM study, which includes 
visually studying PET blood flow to the heart, should produce some very 
conclusive results. 

How many here would wager that even if the TM study produces the results the 
TMO hopes, Vaj will find a way to dismiss it without even reading the research? 
 He will ALWAYS claim superiority of Buddhist research over TM but will never 
shows us a single comparable study. Have the Buddhist subjected their cardiac 
patients to a study like the one proposed by Schneider?  Probably not.

And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes supervised exercise 
and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a formal stress reduction 
program.

Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding stress 
reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to conventional 
cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of serious CHD compared to 
conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr. Schneider said.

Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for changes in 
their coronary artery disease with the most advanced noninvasive methods for 
measuring cardiac function-PET or positron emission tomography. According to 
Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University 
Medical Center and study co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology 
that allows us to visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. 
With this state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow 
to the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on CHD.




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
 The TMO is now publishing research in UFO journals.

No, it isn't. Vaj is lying.




[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 snip
  The TMO is now publishing research in UFO journals.
 
 No, it isn't. Vaj is lying.


Geez, Judy you caught Vaj in three whopper in a row. Jackpot!



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread ShempMcGurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  Big deal.
 
  Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive
 thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore? Heck, I'm a 36 year regular
 meditator and even I don't trust their research...
 
 Fortunately no serious person on the planet puts your opinion over
 published scientific research.



Why should they?

I'm not a scientist.




 
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
   prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
  
 /news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
 \
   editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
   november 2009 00:01 NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
   Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
   Medical Center
   The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
   Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center
 for
   Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of
 Management
   Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to
 determine
   whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can
 help
   patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart
 attacks
   /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.
  
   The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
   Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African
 Americans,
   will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
   City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
   /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx or bypass surgery,
 angioplasty,
   or chronic angina.
  
   For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and
 progression of
   heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author
 and
   director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and
 Prevention.
   And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes
 supervised
   exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a
 formal
   stress reduction program.
  
   Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding
 stress
   reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
   conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of
 serious
   CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
   Schneider said.
  
   Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
   changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
   noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
   emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
   Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
   co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us
 to
   visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
   state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow
 to
   the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on
 CHD.
  
   The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
   American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
   Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
   applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded.
 In
   the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant
 is
   to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
   more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider
 said.
  
   The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
   Transcendental Meditation as a promising tool in helping to prevent
   heart attacks /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes, and
 death
   related to coronary events. This is worthwhile research since we
 know
   that strong emotional stress can lead to conditions such as
 arrhythmia
   and hypertension, said NHLBI Director Elizabeth Nabel, M.D.
  
   Results from several earlier trials on the Transcendental Meditation
   program found reductions in risk factors for heart disease, such as
   hypertension, psychological stress, insulin resistance, and build-up
 of
   atherosclerosis in the arteries, with indications of reduced
 mortality
   from heart disease. This newly funded study will directly evaluate
   coronary artery disease and continue to examine the potential of
   meditation for improvements in cardiovascular health.
  
  
   * Coronary heart disease (CHD) is the leading cause of death in the
   United States
  
  
   * There are nearly 1.5 million heart attacks
   /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx per year in the US, according
 the
   American Heart Association
  
  
   * An American will suffer a heart attack
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread dhamiltony2k5


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 Big deal.
 
 Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive thing 
 to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular meditator 
 and even I don't trust their research...
 


hum, trust. in TMO or Maharishi over the years.  Should have been an 
interesting thing to have polled and followed in meditators.  Even now.



 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
  prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
  /news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
  editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
  november 2009 00:01NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
  Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
  Medical Center
  The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
  Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center for
  Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of Management
  Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to determine
  whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can help
  patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart attacks
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.
  
  The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
  Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African Americans,
  will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
  City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  or bypass surgery, angioplasty,
  or chronic angina.
  
  For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and progression of
  heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author and
  director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and Prevention.
  And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes supervised
  exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a formal
  stress reduction program.
  
  Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding stress
  reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
  conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of serious
  CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
  Schneider said.
  
  Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
  changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
  noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
  emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
  Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
  co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us to
  visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
  state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow to
  the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on CHD.
  
  The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
  American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
  Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
  applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded. In
  the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant is
  to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
  more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider said.
  
  The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
  Transcendental Meditation as a promising tool in helping to prevent
  heart attacks /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes, and death
  related to coronary events. This is worthwhile research since we know
  that strong emotional stress can lead to conditions such as arrhythmia
  and hypertension, said NHLBI Director Elizabeth Nabel, M.D.
  
  Results from several earlier trials on the Transcendental Meditation
  program found reductions in risk factors for heart disease, such as
  hypertension, psychological stress, insulin resistance, and build-up of
  atherosclerosis in the arteries, with indications of reduced mortality
  from heart disease. This newly funded study will directly evaluate
  coronary artery disease and continue to examine the potential of
  meditation for improvements in cardiovascular health.
  
  
  * Coronary heart disease (CHD) is the leading cause of death in the
  United States
  
  
  * There are nearly 1.5 million heart attacks
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  per year in the US, according the
  American Heart Association
  
  
  * An American will suffer a heart attack
  /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  every 34 seconds
  
  
  * Coronary heart disease is also the leading cause of soaring health
  care costs; more than $475 

[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread dhamiltony2k5


 
 The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
 Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
 applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded. In
 the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant is
 to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
 more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider said.
 
 The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
 Transcendental Meditation 


Really, as part of the recovery, aren't there more cost effective ways of 
bringing something like this meditation to people?



[FairfieldLife] Re: NIH provides $ 1 million for new study

2009-11-07 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  Big deal.
  
  Even if, as a result of the research study, it comes out as a positive 
  thing to do TM, who trusts the TMO anymore?  Heck, I'm a 36 year regular 
  meditator and even I don't trust their research...
  
 

Shemp, if the research is positive and proves conclusively it helps people with 
CHD, what's not to trust? The research? You're not making any sense.
 
 hum, trust. in TMO or Maharishi over the years.  Should have been an 
 interesting thing to have polled and followed in meditators.  Even now.
 
 

Doug, polling meditators whether or not they trust TMO or MMY has nothing to do 
with this research project. The outcome will prove beneficial for people with 
CHD or not. The fact that Schneider and all were able to get the grant and are 
willing to subject CHD patients to scientific scrutiny doing TM, says they have 
confidence in a positive outcome. For the sake of the many CHD patients TM 
could help in the future, I hope they are right. I wish them success.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   NIH grants $1 million to study whether Transcendental Meditation can
   prevent future heart attacks in CHD patients
   /news/20091107/NIH-grants-241-million-to-study-whether-Transcendental-M\
   editation-can-prevent-future-heart-attacks-in-CHD-patients.aspx 7.
   november 2009 00:01NIH/National Heart, Lung, and Blood
   Institute provides $1 million for new study at Columbia University
   Medical Center
   The National Institutes of Health's National Heart, Lung, and Blood
   Institute will fund a $1 million collaborative study by the Center for
   Natural Medicine and Prevention at Maharishi University of Management
   Research Institute and Columbia University Medical Center to determine
   whether the stress-reducing Transcendental Meditation technique can help
   patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) prevent future heart attacks
   /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes and death.
   
   The 12-week Randomized Controlled Trial of Stress Reduction in the
   Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease in African Americans,
   will be conducted at Columbia University Medical Center in New York
   City. The trial will examine 56 patients who have had a heart attack
   /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx  or bypass surgery, angioplasty,
   or chronic angina.
   
   For decades, stress has been implicated in the cause and progression of
   heart disease, said Robert Schneider, M.D., F.A.C.C., lead author and
   director of the NIH-funded Center for Natural Medicine and Prevention.
   And while standard cardiac rehabilitation usually includes supervised
   exercise and lifestyle education, it does not usually include a formal
   stress reduction program.
   
   Now, for the first time, this study will evaluate whether adding stress
   reduction through the Transcendental Meditation technique to
   conventional cardiac rehabilitation will aid in the treatment of serious
   CHD compared to conventional cardiac rehabilitation alone, Dr.
   Schneider said.
   
   Patients will be carefully evaluated before and after the study for
   changes in their coronary artery disease with the most advanced
   noninvasive methods for measuring cardiac function-PET or positron
   emission tomography. According to Sabahat Bokhari, MD, Director of
   Nuclear Cardiology at Columbia University Medical Center and study
   co-director, PET is an innovative imaging technology that allows us to
   visually and non-invasively study blood flow to the heart. With this
   state-of-the-art technology, doctors can now measure the blood flow to
   the heart and thus quantify the full impact of stress reduction on CHD.
   
   The NIH funding allocation is part of the Obama Administration's
   American Reinvestment and Recovery Act-or economic stimulus bill.
   Competition for the funding was fierce with more than 20,000
   applications for the Challenge Grants category and only 840 awarded. In
   the current climate of health care reform, the purpose of this grant is
   to find more effective treatments for heart disease and thereby find
   more effective ways to reduce health care costs, Dr. Schneider said.
   
   The NHLBI's Recovery Act funds will make it possible to evaluate
   Transcendental Meditation as a promising tool in helping to prevent
   heart attacks /health/What-is-a-Heart-Attack.aspx , strokes, and death
   related to coronary events. This is worthwhile research since we know
   that strong emotional stress can lead to conditions such as arrhythmia
   and hypertension, said NHLBI Director Elizabeth Nabel, M.D.
   
   Results from several earlier trials on the Transcendental Meditation
   program found reductions in risk factors for heart disease, such as
   hypertension, psychological