Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I did a search for +transcendental meditation +2099 and found one such site here: http://goldendome.org/ And nobody ever said the TMO hadn't claimed that taking the TM-Sidhis course would enable you to fly etc. anyway. That's Barry's fantasy, and a pretty dumb one at that, given that this was the big attraction of the course in the first place. Yes, that is the picture. But in the OFFICIAL WEBSITE I remember, the picture occupied the top left of the site and there were no disclaimers. The website was definitely not as busy as this one and the drawing occupied a lot more real estate on the page, like about a quarter of it. As far as being able to do magical sidhis, I am not making it up. Candy Borlan, Ph.D. (Experimental Psychology, University of Texas at Austin) of the Houston TM center told us on a CAC prep course in Galveston that indeed she was the CB of Texas USA in the big something something Enlightenment book, that she had the flowing gold experience often even though she was busy teaching the sidhis on the 6 month course and often didn't get a chance to meditate. I swear once again that she told us that MERU gave away masters and ph.d. degrees to people who demonstrated the sidhis. The testers would put an object in a box and the testee (BTW, testify, test and the like come from the ancient Roman requirement to swear on one's testes, so I guess only Jane Hopsin and her bevy of feminazis could be tested this way) would use their sidhis to tell what was in the box. Two correct answers got you a masters in SCI, three correct answers got you a ph.d. in SCI. We had diplomas of masters in SCI hanging up in the office of the Houston Capital of the Age of Enlightenment (the one on Westheimer, on the second floor, above the meat market, halfway between River Oats and the Galleria) from MEMU which I was told were earned by governors via the see what's in the box test. Candy further told us to look up exotic fruits and berries in the encyclopedia, perform our sense sidhis on them once we learned them then go buy the items in the fancy fruit store in River Oaks to verify that the fruit and berries tasted, looked and smelled just as we had experienced with the sidhis. There was a very big mystique about governors when they returned about the super normal powers they possessed. The returning governors played along with this charade and many implied that they could read our minds. Finally a citizen sidha I knew spilled the beans to close associates: at most he got flavors of awareness and saw Consciousness as this stuff containing unmanifest seeds. No flying, no see what's in the box, no mind reading. So while there may only have been a short term official website showing the stages of crawling, walking and flying, there was a shared fantasy that lasted quite a number of years. The website was a decade after the mystique died. Anyone know if there's a way to google the Wayback Machine? IIRC the Wayback machine does not archive pictures so that might not even help. BTW, in those days, TMO websites weren't particularly golden and didn't require special spy on you plug ins for your browser. The TMO was just discovering the Internet and wasn't exploiting streaming or VOIP.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I did a search for +transcendental meditation +2099 and found one such site here: http://goldendome.org/ And nobody ever said the TMO hadn't claimed that taking the TM-Sidhis course would enable you to fly etc. anyway. That's Barry's fantasy, and a pretty dumb one at that, given that this was the big attraction of the course in the first place. Yes, that is the picture. But in the OFFICIAL WEBSITE I remember, the picture occupied the top left of the site and there were no disclaimers. I BELIEVE you, as I think I already said. snip As far as being able to do magical sidhis, I am not making it up. Who said you were making it up?? We've all seen and heard the kind of thing you report. The fantasy of Barry I was referring to was that TBs insist the TMO *hadn't* made such claims. He never heard a TMer say such a thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course.Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. Wonder if the Supreme Council of Jyotish calculated the various years we would transit through those stages? After all, the Council has been used for the last few years to predict troublesome times in which more filers were needed on IA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D I suspect that the word delusional works better in this case than semi-sensational. :-) I further suspect that the number of people on this forum who believe Nabby when he claims this is equal to the number of people who believe Jim and Ravi when they claim to be enlightened. The word delusional may factor into this mathematical equation as well. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. My suspicion is that these claims were never run past the TMO lawyers until after the fact; that is, until after TBs had printed up the posters or made the websites and put these claims out in public. My further suspicion is that the TMO lawyers looked at the claims, looked at the reports of actual flying from the course (none), and then proclaimed, I don't think we have to worry about it. Anyone who is willing to spend several thousand dollars on a course that promises him he will FLY is far too guru-whipped to ever sue us for fraud, even though technically that's what it is. So there is no problem. Keep doing what you're doing, Maharishi. Then the lawyers would sign their advisory letter with a hearty Jai Guru Dev. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. My suspicion is that these claims were never run past the TMO lawyers until after the fact; that is, until after TBs had printed up the posters or made the websites and put these claims out in public. My further suspicion is that the TMO lawyers looked at the claims, looked at the reports of actual flying from the course (none), and then proclaimed, I don't think we have to worry about it. Anyone who is willing to spend several thousand dollars on a course that promises him he will FLY is far too guru-whipped to ever sue us for fraud, even though technically that's what it is. So there is no problem. Keep doing what you're doing, Maharishi. Then the lawyers would sign their advisory letter with a hearty Jai Guru Dev. :-) For the record, the posters reproduced here are *very* early ones that weren't in circulation for long. And at some point the lawyers *did* start worrying, most likely after the TMO *was* sued for fraud by someone who had taken the TM-Sidhis course (e.g., Robert Kropinski; I believe there were some others as well). When I applied for the TM-Sidhis in 1986, I had to sign a statement that I understood no guarantees were being made as to the results of the course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course: As I noted, no TMer ever uttered that bullshit; that's Barry's bullshit. What some of us *have* pointed out is that while the TMO did say one would be able to fly after taking the course (at least prior to the requirement to sign a no guarantees understanding when applying), it didn't say *how long* after. IOW, as far as I'm aware, it has never said one would walk out of the course being able to fly (or perform any other of the siddhis). The time frame was always left undefined. I can't read the small print on the poster to the left. The poster on the right describes hopping, albeit misleadingly, and refers to it as levitation (on the grounds that hopping is the first stage of levitation): Highly developed mind-body coordination verified by direct experience of LEVITATION--command of the law of gravity whereby the body lifts up, moves forward and gently touches down--inner experience of great freedom and bliss, release of deep stress. But the above doesn't actually say one will be able to do what it describes, much less hover or fly at will, much less be able to do it upon leaving the course. (It isn't even a complete sentence--there's no verb.) I'd be really surprised if that very careful wording hadn't been decreed by movement lawyers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Well, apparently, you have never received the secret handshake, and an invitation for entrance to the super secret highly secure underground bunker flying room. There, those of us on the A list, hover, fly and have very kewl redbaron type in the sky dog fights. And the temple dancers are nice too. If you could only see through walls, as we the A listers can, you could see it for your self. We only keep the above ground flying rooms as an anchor so we don't explode into flaming balls of celestial satva. Its a polarity thing, the extreme tomas above to balance out the vast satva below. Keep up the good work. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. Wonder if the Supreme Council of Jyotish calculated the various years we would transit through those stages? After all, the Council has been used for the last few years to predict troublesome times in which more filers were needed on IA.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:17 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: For the record, the posters reproduced here are *very* early ones that weren't in circulation for long. And at some point the lawyers *did* start worrying, most likely after the TMO *was* sued for fraud by someone who had taken the TM-Sidhis course (e.g., Robert Kropinski; I believe there were some others as well). When I applied for the TM-Sidhis in 1986, I had to sign a statement that I understood no guarantees were being made as to the results of the course. For the record the last TMO website I saw showing the stages of the world flying with complete flying at 2099 was around 1996.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: I'm putting up a live cam on my flaming balls of celestial satva to inspire those whose nether regions are mired in tomas. I'll keep you posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Well, apparently, you have never received the secret handshake, and an invitation for entrance to the super secret highly secure underground bunker flying room. There, those of us on the A list, hover, fly and have very kewl redbaron type in the sky dog fights. And the temple dancers are nice too. If you could only see through walls, as we the A listers can, you could see it for your self. We only keep the above ground flying rooms as an anchor so we don't explode into flaming balls of celestial satva. Its a polarity thing, the extreme tomas above to balance out the vast satva below. Keep up the good work. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. Wonder if the Supreme Council of Jyotish calculated the various years we would transit through those stages? After all, the Council has been used for the last few years to predict troublesome times in which more filers were needed on IA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:17 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: For the record, the posters reproduced here are *very* early ones that weren't in circulation for long. And at some point the lawyers *did* start worrying, most likely after the TMO *was* sued for fraud by someone who had taken the TM-Sidhis course (e.g., Robert Kropinski; I believe there were some others as well). When I applied for the TM-Sidhis in 1986, I had to sign a statement that I understood no guarantees were being made as to the results of the course. For the record the last TMO website I saw showing the stages of the world flying with complete flying at 2099 was around 1996. I never saw or heard of anything like that. These Web sites are no longer up, I take it?
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Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D I suspect that the word delusional works better in this case than semi-sensational. :-) I further suspect that the number of people on this forum who believe Nabby when he claims this is equal to the number of people who believe Jim and Ravi when they claim to be enlightened. The word delusional may factor into this mathematical equation as well. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: I never saw or heard of anything like that. These Web sites are no longer up, I take it? Who can tell? The TMO has Google spammed the Internet with so many different websites. I haven't seen the website since then but I haven't been looking, either.
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I didn't know they made cameras that big. Though vedic manscaping I am sure will help makes things clearer. By the way, Mum is running a special on vedic manscapping program this week, only $6000, down from $13000. However, the celestial bees wax from the organic celestial honey combs, used for vedic waxing, is $17,000 extra. And the vedic FBSM -- well if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it. However it does effectively enable a special kind of Oneness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I'm putting up a live cam on my flaming balls of celestial satva to inspire those whose nether regions are mired in tomas. I'll keep you posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Well, apparently, you have never received the secret handshake, and an invitation for entrance to the super secret highly secure underground bunker flying room. There, those of us on the A list, hover, fly and have very kewl redbaron type in the sky dog fights. And the temple dancers are nice too. If you could only see through walls, as we the A listers can, you could see it for your self. We only keep the above ground flying rooms as an anchor so we don't explode into flaming balls of celestial satva. Its a polarity thing, the extreme tomas above to balance out the vast satva below. Keep up the good work. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. Wonder if the Supreme Council of Jyotish calculated the various years we would transit through those stages? After all, the Council has been used for the last few years to predict troublesome times in which more filers were needed on IA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. There is a significant difference in today's enlightened from the past though. That is that in the past there was an extensive support system of interaction with someone entrusted to evaluate progress. Most traditions involved communities of people whose constant interaction was in fact a real time monitoring process. That combined with a strict protocol and interaction with a representative of a tradition created a lot of checks and balances. This is a important point in how we are proceeding today with evaluating what these internal states mean. On one hand people seem confident to use the scriptures to support claims of enlightenment while at the same time living completely outside the traditional structures meant to support such a claim. Maharishi was very clear about the need to external evaluations for claims of enlightenment and at least gave lip-service to some benchmarks. This all starts with Maharishi who sort of set these techniques free into the world but really offered little continuing support for people as their mental states changed. There was a theater of such support like in the fairly recent show of a few questions in the dome on some course. Carefully monitored and without any follow-up. I remember writing my monthly experience reports for years after taking the sidhis with no feedback. That would be a fascinating pile of material to evaluate the sidhi program from. I hope that someday someone sifts through that for some insight. I am in the camp that believes that our minds can be shifted significantly but that we can't look to the past interpretations for what it means. We need to find out on our own. It seems that you have blended a bit of each approach in presenting your own inner state here. I did listen to your Batgap interview and felt that you were giving it the old college try to explain where you were at internally. A genuine attempt to go beyond jargon that I appreciated. It is hard to provide something convincing to others that something meaningful has occurred for you. I believe that Batgap tends to gloss over statements of miracles as mundane or at least not necessary to back up with some proof. I think that is a reasonable bar to clear for any claim of an interaction with the world that could be measured. My views on all this is still a work in progress. I've had enough of my own shifts of state to know that such things can be dramatic but still have not been convinced that all these changes are better states. Some of them seem like too much of a good thing to me. Thanks for keeping up the dialogue Jim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D I suspect that the word delusional works better in this case than semi-sensational. :-) I further suspect that the number of people on this forum who believe Nabby when he claims this is equal to the number of people who believe Jim and Ravi when they claim to be enlightened. The word delusional may factor into this mathematical equation as well. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I never saw or heard of anything like that. These Web sites are no longer up, I take it? Who can tell? The TMO has Google spammed the Internet with so many different websites. I haven't seen the website since then but I haven't been looking, either. I did a search for +transcendental meditation +2099 and found one such site here: http://goldendome.org/ But there's a disclaimer at the top: This is a TM fan site, not an official site of the TM organization. And it's pretty obvious that much of its material is not from the TMO (e.g., the section headed Wireless Upgrades to the Human Nervous System during the TM and TM-Sidhis Program). Most of the site just links to various TMO items, but the Stage Three by 2099 bit does not; it's peculiar (pun intended) to the site. Have a look, see if that's the site you remember. I couldn't find any others, so I'm inclined to think the 2099 bit is the fantasy of the TM enthusiast who put up the site, not anything the TMO has claimed.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. There is a significant difference in today's enlightened from the past though. That is that in the past there was an extensive support system of interaction with someone entrusted to evaluate progress. Most traditions involved communities of people whose constant interaction was in fact a real time monitoring process. That combined with a strict protocol and interaction with a representative of a tradition created a lot of checks and balances. This is a important point in how we are proceeding today with evaluating what these internal states mean. On one hand people seem confident to use the scriptures to support claims of enlightenment while at the same time living completely outside the traditional structures meant to support such a claim. Maharishi was very clear about the need to external evaluations for claims of enlightenment and at least gave lip-service to some benchmarks. Though he missed the naked one. At Humbolt 70, when a large contingent went skiny dipping towards the end of the course he said, The naked body is ugly though I am sure he was not referring to anyone here. This all starts with Maharishi who sort of set these techniques free into the world but really offered little continuing support for people as their mental states changed. He had lots of support of changing mental states. He said go beyond them. And provided checking to help. There was a theater of such support like in the fairly recent show of a few questions in the dome on some course. Carefully monitored and without any follow-up. I remember writing my monthly experience reports for years after taking the sidhis with no feedback. I stopped my around 1980 Is anyone listening? -- which I am guessing was before yours started. Funny to think the monthly reports went on and on. Some guy rounding in his closet, like japanese solders on some jungle island, still fighting into the early 1950's, is probably still sending them. That would be a fascinating pile of material to evaluate the sidhi program from. I hope that someday someone sifts through that for some insight. Shifting through all of the confirmational and other biases would be a challenge. I am in the camp that believes that our minds can be shifted significantly Words are words, stumbling blocks at best. So sorry for pointing out the obvious -- but words have taken on a life of their own, they have created their own little world, that has nothing to do with Silence. As AK sings, You say it best when you say nothing at all. The perfect Advanced Lecture. FWIW, shifting of the mind has nothing to do with Silence. Awareness doesn't shift. Talk of shifting minds often comes from shifty minds. but that we can't look to the past interpretations for what it means. We need to find out on our own. It seems that you have blended a bit of each approach in presenting your own inner state here. I did listen to your Batgap interview and felt that you were giving it the old college try to explain where you were at internally. A genuine attempt to go beyond jargon that I appreciated. It is hard to provide something convincing to others that something meaningful has occurred for you. Meaningful occurances are the domain of shifty minds. There is no meaning in Silence. Restful Meaninglessness. (Didn't you get SCI #37? Opps sorry, thats only for those in the underground bunker.) I believe that Batgap tends to gloss over statements of miracles as mundane or at least not necessary to back up with some proof. I think that is a reasonable bar to clear for any claim of an interaction with the world that could be measured. Unfoldment has nothing to do with creating a better me. Measured improvement is a relativistic mobius strip, fractaling out infinite detail and meaning -- totally on the other side of the Ganges from Silence. My views on all this is still a work in progress. I've had enough of my own shifts Daily I hope. Psyllium seed husks can help. of state to know that such things can be dramatic Silence has no drama. but still have not been convinced that all these changes are better states. Conviction and understanding have nothing to do with Silence. Some of them seem like too much of a good thing to me. Thanks
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: snip I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. This one? Note the dates...way beyond 2099. This is from the same Golden Dome fan site, BTW. I think you may have gotten this drawing confused with the 2099 thing, which just appears as a headline.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. Which are beliefs and mind states. Ripoche Krishna said Go beyond the changing mind states. Go beyond the concepts of integrity and dedication. Even then, go beyond integrity and dedication. And for God's sake, STOP trying, stop feverently desiring the Desireless state. Let go of all such mindstates. And Singular states are duality disguised in (mind) shifty terms. Being singular means being isolated, an island off the shore of wholeness. Go beyond duality, go beyond singularity, simply be the Vastness, right here, right now. from the Nirguna Sutras To try and game Total gaming, is total playfulness. Upon realizing the Vastness, only play is possible. See divinity playing hide and seek in every face and situation. Play. Grown-ups have forgotten how to play. Vastness is only open to the utterly playful. In non-play, there is always holding on. In utter playfulness, there is nothing to hang onto. Freefalling in utter Vastness. Game On! nirguna sutras it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. Immaturity is utter spirituality. Immaturity is letting totally go of all restrictions, mandates, proper ways, judgements, blame and regrets. Immaturity is seeing, being , all possibilities in every moment -- while knowing that there are no moments. Play On. Game One. DeAdulterize your life. nirguna sutras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D I suspect that the word delusional works better in this case than semi-sensational. :-) I further suspect that the number of people on this forum who believe Nabby when he claims this is equal to the number of people who believe Jim and Ravi when they claim to be enlightened. The word delusional may factor into this mathematical equation as well. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: I didn't know they made cameras that big. Honestly I was going to have to use a macro lens. I remember when G. Gorden Liddy used to describe how he had to have a reduction procedure. I thought that was really clever despite his general doucheines Though vedic manscaping I am sure will help makes things clearer. I almost went in that direction to explain how the orbs became flaming. By the way, Mum is running a special on vedic manscapping program this week, only $6000, down from $13000. However, the celestial bees wax from the organic celestial honey combs, used for vedic waxing, is $17,000 extra. And the vedic FBSM -- well if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it. However it does effectively enable a special kind of Oneness. See this is where living near international communities works out really well for me. In DC you get the whole package from an actual Brazilian hottie for one Benjamin and two Jacksons as a tip. And that includes a happy ending that enables a even more special kind of Onesss! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I'm putting up a live cam on my flaming balls of celestial satva to inspire those whose nether regions are mired in tomas. I'll keep you posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Well, apparently, you have never received the secret handshake, and an invitation for entrance to the super secret highly secure underground bunker flying room. There, those of us on the A list, hover, fly and have very kewl redbaron type in the sky dog fights. And the temple dancers are nice too. If you could only see through walls, as we the A listers can, you could see it for your self. We only keep the above ground flying rooms as an anchor so we don't explode into flaming balls of celestial satva. Its a polarity thing, the extreme tomas above to balance out the vast satva below. Keep up the good work. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. Wonder if the Supreme Council of Jyotish calculated the various years we would transit through those stages? After all, the Council has been used for the last few years to predict troublesome times in which more filers were needed on IA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I didn't know they made cameras that big. Honestly I was going to have to use a macro lens. I remember when G. Gorden Liddy used to describe how he had to have a reduction procedure. I thought that was really clever despite his general doucheines Of course this opens up a whole new genre of lines, Have you ever been with a man with flaming celestial balls of satva Most women would have to be at least a little bit curious. And what, they are going to take you to the FTC for advertising? Dear FTC, this guy said he had flaming celestial balls of satva. I was a little bit curious so I went home with him. And believe me, those smelling, little things were hardly flaming celestial balls of satva.What should I do? Though vedic manscaping I am sure will help makes things clearer. I almost went in that direction to explain how the orbs became flaming. By the way, Mum is running a special on vedic manscapping program this week, only $6000, down from $13000. However, the celestial bees wax from the organic celestial honey combs, used for vedic waxing, is $17,000 extra. And the vedic FBSM -- well if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it. However it does effectively enable a special kind of Oneness. See this is where living near international communities works out really well for me. In DC you get the whole package from an actual Brazilian hottie for one Benjamin and two Jacksons as a tip. And that includes a happy ending that enables a even more special kind of Onesss! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I'm putting up a live cam on my flaming balls of celestial satva to inspire those whose nether regions are mired in tomas. I'll keep you posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I certainly was told that I'd be able to fly once I completed my TM Sidhi course. Well, apparently, you have never received the secret handshake, and an invitation for entrance to the super secret highly secure underground bunker flying room. There, those of us on the A list, hover, fly and have very kewl redbaron type in the sky dog fights. And the temple dancers are nice too. If you could only see through walls, as we the A listers can, you could see it for your self. We only keep the above ground flying rooms as an anchor so we don't explode into flaming balls of celestial satva. Its a polarity thing, the extreme tomas above to balance out the vast satva below. Keep up the good work. Year after year, starting with the first preparatory courses then going on to the CIC courses. I've seen numerous TMO websites where flying was stated. I was disappointed a few years back where I saw a TMO website which showed the progression of the entire world through various stages until in 2099 all people would be flying. Showed drawings of the stages and the various years each stage was projected at. Wonder if the Supreme Council of Jyotish calculated the various years we would transit through those stages? After all, the Council has been used for the last few years to predict troublesome times in which more filers were needed on IA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
Hey Curtis, thanks for writing - my responses below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. There is a significant difference in today's enlightened from the past though. **Enlightenment is certainly a much more accessible idea now than in the past. Interpreted all different ways, discussed globally and used for all kinds of purposes. It never was a popularity contest though, as Barry says. That is that in the past there was an extensive support system of interaction with someone entrusted to evaluate progress. Most traditions involved communities of people whose constant interaction was in fact a real time monitoring process. That combined with a strict protocol and interaction with a representative of a tradition created a lot of checks and balances. **Sure - such things exist today. I think Maharishi's benchmarks for CC (duality along with self realization), GC (experiencing the finest relative phenomenon) and UC (one + one + n = One) are spot on. **Enlightenment exists for itself though, and there are any number of techniques out there to further its development, if one so wishes. It doesn't exist for measurements and external standards. Personal realization is strictly a personal issue in my eyes. The environment, whether formal or not, is an excellent teacher. This is a important point in how we are proceeding today with evaluating what these internal states mean. On one hand people seem confident to use the scriptures to support claims of enlightenment while at the same time living completely outside the traditional structures meant to support such a claim. **I enjoy finding my experiences in scriptures, seeing in them occasionally a way to state something which is difficult to express. Though if someone is using the scriptures as a validation of their experience, they must not be having a very compelling experience. Maharishi was very clear about the need to external evaluations for claims of enlightenment and at least gave lip-service to some benchmarks. **Yeah, I appreciate that. We can BS ourselves up in our heads, but if it isn't translating into real life (200% and all that), we need more work - lol. This all starts with Maharishi who sort of set these techniques free into the world but really offered little continuing support for people as their mental states changed. There was a theater of such support like in the fairly recent show of a few questions in the dome on some course. Carefully monitored and without any follow-up. I remember writing my monthly experience reports for years after taking the sidhis with no feedback. That would be a fascinating pile of material to evaluate the sidhi program from. I hope that someday someone sifts through that for some insight. **Yeah, after awhile I saw that what I was going through couldn't be addressed by any organization. It is such a personal thing. I am in the camp that believes that our minds can be shifted significantly but that we can't look to the past interpretations for what it means. We need to find out on our own. **Agreed - ultimately it comes down to our personal journey. I have found it both confounding and helpful to incorporate TM and Maharishi's words as an integral part of my personal trek through life, and even as long as I have had that relationship with my TM technique and his words, all of that has to be transcended and integrated into daily life too - I've gotta be me (sammy davis jr.). It seems that you have blended a bit of each approach in presenting your own inner state here. I did listen to your Batgap interview and felt that you were giving it the old college try to explain where you were at internally. A genuine attempt to go beyond jargon that I appreciated. It is hard to provide something convincing to others that something meaningful has occurred for you. I believe that Batgap tends to gloss over statements of miracles as mundane or at least not necessary to back up with some proof. I think that is a reasonable bar to clear for any claim of an interaction with the world that could be measured. **Yeah, I haven't listened to 99% of the interviews, including mine, though I agree that all things enlightenment can be tossed about pretty loosely these days. My views on all this is still a work in progress. I've had
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
Judy,I'm pretty sure I heard M, via video or audio, make such a claim. It was something like don't be alarmed if some day, while sitting in traffic, you see someone *flying* by in a rush to get to work. This was a tape played only for Sidhas and was said in a hopeful yet serious tone, a somewhat prophetic statement. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 7:01:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course: I never heard *anybody* making such a claim, and neither did you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Judy,I'm pretty sure I heard M, via video or audio, make such a claim. It was something like don't be alarmed if some day, while sitting in traffic, you see someone *flying* by in a rush to get to work. This was a tape played only for Sidhas and was said in a hopeful yet serious tone, a somewhat prophetic statement. Oh, sure, he said stuff like that. But I'm talking about what Barry attributes to TBs, that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis [sic] course. Nobody ever said that. From: authfriend jstein@... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course: I never heard *anybody* making such a claim, and neither did you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
Thanks Jim, the phrases spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication and To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature are awesome !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D I suspect that the word delusional works better in this case than semi-sensational. :-) I further suspect that the number of people on this forum who believe Nabby when he claims this is equal to the number of people who believe Jim and Ravi when they claim to be enlightened. The word delusional may factor into this mathematical equation as well. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
Cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Thanks Jim, the phrases spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication and To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature are awesome !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Barry, Belief by others has no bearing on these things. You would have been in popular company believing and declaring in the 15th century that the world is flat. This is what I meant in the past Barry when I have said you strike me more as a follower than a leader. The spiritual journey is always a singular one, not needing anything except one's own integrity and dedication. To try and game it into some sort of popularity contest is misguided and immature, imo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. I think that certainly can be called flying unless you were on a trampoline or somesuch! IMO, that's nothing short or semi-sensational! ;D I suspect that the word delusional works better in this case than semi-sensational. :-) I further suspect that the number of people on this forum who believe Nabby when he claims this is equal to the number of people who believe Jim and Ravi when they claim to be enlightened. The word delusional may factor into this mathematical equation as well. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: I did a search for +transcendental meditation +2099 and found one such site here: http://goldendome.org/ But there's a disclaimer at the top: This is a TM fan site, not an official site of the TM organization. And it's pretty obvious that much of its material is not from the TMO (e.g., the section headed Wireless Upgrades to the Human Nervous System during the TM and TM-Sidhis Program). Most of the site just links to various TMO items, but the Stage Three by 2099 bit does not; it's peculiar (pun intended) to the site. Have a look, see if that's the site you remember. I couldn't find any others, so I'm inclined to think the 2099 bit is the fantasy of the TM enthusiast who put up the site, not anything the TMO has claimed. No, sorry, it was an official TMO website. In those days, perhaps one of the several websites, not one of the zillions. That website showed how wonderfully the Age of Enlightenment was progressing and actually showed diagrams of the (IRRC) 3 stages of flying: hopping (1996), hovering (something around 2050) and flying (2099). How very interesting that that 2099 time frame has endured. Like I'm not making it up after all. BTW, in those days, TMO websites weren't particularly golden and didn't require special spy on you plug ins for your browser. The TMO was just discovering the Internet and wasn't exploiting streaming or VOIP.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I did a search for +transcendental meditation +2099 and found one such site here: http://goldendome.org/ But there's a disclaimer at the top: This is a TM fan site, not an official site of the TM organization. And it's pretty obvious that much of its material is not from the TMO (e.g., the section headed Wireless Upgrades to the Human Nervous System during the TM and TM-Sidhis Program). Most of the site just links to various TMO items, but the Stage Three by 2099 bit does not; it's peculiar (pun intended) to the site. Have a look, see if that's the site you remember. I couldn't find any others, so I'm inclined to think the 2099 bit is the fantasy of the TM enthusiast who put up the site, not anything the TMO has claimed. No, sorry, it was an official TMO website. In those days, perhaps one of the several websites, not one of the zillions. That website showed how wonderfully the Age of Enlightenment was progressing and actually showed diagrams of the (IRRC) 3 stages of flying: hopping (1996), hovering (something around 2050) and flying (2099). How very interesting that that 2099 time frame has endured. Well, I dunno if you can call its appearance on one rather flaky fan site enduring. I mean, just barely! Like I'm not making it up after all. Who said you were making it up?? I just said I'd never encountered it. I didn't have a Windows computer until 1999, so if it was gone by then, I wouldn't have seen it. Text-based browsing was a pain in the neck, and I didn't do much of it. And nobody ever said the TMO hadn't claimed that taking the TM-Sidhis course would enable you to fly etc. anyway. That's Barry's fantasy, and a pretty dumb one at that, given that this was the big attraction of the course in the first place. BTW, in those days, TMO websites weren't particularly golden and didn't require special spy on you plug ins for your browser. The TMO was just discovering the Internet and wasn't exploiting streaming or VOIP.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:45 am --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Always wondering why TMO moved and crashes down from heaven His Kingdom and Capital down to Fairy Field,Ha,and wait and wait.. what for? in order SidhaMan can take over?...wise decision (!) lol Superman Renouncing American Citizenship In 'Action Comics #900' [Superman] Since he After recently undertaking a journey to walk -- not fly -- across the United States in the Grounded http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/06/23/superman-grounded-jms/ storyline and reconnect with the country and everyday Americans, Superman appears to be taking another step that could have major implications for his national identity: Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/27/superman-renounces-us-citizensh\ \ ip/#ixzz1KzAVNyfd http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/27/superman-renounces-us-citizens\ \ hip/#ixzz1KzAVNyfd Krypton 1938, Superman has been as American as apple pie. With the wind rippling over his red and blue costume as he flew through the air, through comic books, TV shows and movies, the Man of Steel has served as a prime representation of all things to which America aspires Read more http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/superman-renouncing-american-ci\ \ tizenship_n_855281.html The key scene takes place in The Incident, a short story in Action Comics #900 written by David S. Goyer with art by Miguel Sepulveda. In it, Superman consults with the President's national security advisor, who is incensed that Superman appeared in Tehran to non-violently support the protesters demonstrating against the Iranian regime, no doubt an analogue for the recent real-life protests in the Middle East. However, since Superman is viewed as an American icon in the DC Universe as well as our own, the Iranian government has construed his actions as the will of the American President, and indeed, an act of war. It's time Sidha Man takes over! Finally---haven't we told you a long time ago!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course: I never heard *anybody* making such a claim, and neither did you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
turquoiseb: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course... The only people to make any claims on FFL about flying was Barry Wright, who claimed he once saw Rama float up into the air in front of a crowd of people. Barry IS the TMO. And, he is a 'TB', apparently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
Troll Post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:45 am --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Always wondering why TMO moved and crashes down from heaven His Kingdom and Capital down to Fairy Field,Ha,and wait and wait.. what for? in order SidhaMan can take over?...wise decision (!) lol Superman Renouncing American Citizenship In 'Action Comics #900' [Superman] Since he After recently undertaking a journey to walk -- not fly -- across the United States in the Grounded http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/06/23/superman-grounded-jms/ storyline and reconnect with the country and everyday Americans, Superman appears to be taking another step that could have major implications for his national identity: Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/27/superman-renounces-us-citizensh\ \ ip/#ixzz1KzAVNyfd http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/27/superman-renounces-us-citizens\ \ hip/#ixzz1KzAVNyfd Krypton 1938, Superman has been as American as apple pie. With the wind rippling over his red and blue costume as he flew through the air, through comic books, TV shows and movies, the Man of Steel has served as a prime representation of all things to which America aspires Read more http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/superman-renouncing-american-ci\ \ tizenship_n_855281.html The key scene takes place in The Incident, a short story in Action Comics #900 written by David S. Goyer with art by Miguel Sepulveda. In it, Superman consults with the President's national security advisor, who is incensed that Superman appeared in Tehran to non-violently support the protesters demonstrating against the Iranian regime, no doubt an analogue for the recent real-life protests in the Middle East. However, since Superman is viewed as an American icon in the DC Universe as well as our own, the Iranian government has construed his actions as the will of the American President, and indeed, an act of war. It's time Sidha Man takes over! Finally---haven't we told you a long time ago!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: turquoiseb: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course... The only people to make any claims on FFL about flying was Barry Wright, who claimed he once saw Rama float up into the air in front of a crowd of people. Barry IS the TMO. And, he is a 'TB', apparently. Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: turquoiseb: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course... The only people to make any claims on FFL about flying was Barry Wright, who claimed he once saw Rama float up into the air in front of a crowd of people. Barry IS the TMO. And, he is a 'TB', apparently. Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. Congrats! That's almost 20 feet! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: turquoiseb: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course... The only people to make any claims on FFL about flying was Barry Wright, who claimed he once saw Rama float up into the air in front of a crowd of people. Barry IS the TMO. And, he is a 'TB', apparently. Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. Congrats! That's almost 20 feet! :D Whoa! It's actually much more than most of us would think!? Most world class female long jumpers can jump at best a couple of feet more?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: turquoiseb: I simply can't wait for the first TB TMer here to repeat the bullshit that the TMO never claimed that people would be able to fly after taking the TM-Siddhis course... The only people to make any claims on FFL about flying was Barry Wright, who claimed he once saw Rama float up into the air in front of a crowd of people. Barry IS the TMO. And, he is a 'TB', apparently. Oh ? I claimed to have jumped 6 meters from the sitting position several times. Not exactly flying, but quite close. Congrats! That's almost 20 feet! :D Well, actually the earth moved. How can silent stillness move?
