Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's going to happen to the Arab/Muslim countries?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:28 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't believe the ME is more educated than the US as you appear to say here. For one, the men there still consider women to be subservient to the male population. As such, the authorities, specifically the imams, do not consider it a priority to educate girls or women in their society. This situation is most egregious in Iraq and Afghanistan. What? If you close your eyes, pick up a rock and throw it randomly anywhere along, say, within 20 km from the Nile, you'll hit a perpetually unemployed degreed engineer, accountant, lawyer. Who cares if we're talking about women or men? Now that's in Egypt. Same thing holds for the other ME countries, with the exception of Israel. Facts are facts despite your myopic view of another culture through the eyes of a certain strata of America. Now as far as the education of women in Iraq and Afghanistan, well, their culture makes sense to them. Been there, felt that. Go there, feel that. I actually came to FFL to post this: http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/4773.aspx The Cairo protests up front and personal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: I am not a doomsdayer. However, for me, the 8.8 quake in Chile takes us to the outer range of normal flow of events -- or at least gives me pause to consider that something outside the pattern of normality. There is a theory that a large planet is coming round the sun, on an orbit of 3,500 years, and could cause serious problems due to its gravity. I got this link from a TMer in England: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter15.pdf (For those with a Physics bent, Chapter 1, Intro and Conclusion are also recommended) Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
The concept that there's a brown dwarf star orbiting our sun with a period of 3,500 years is so easily dismissed that you should be at least duct taped to a tree by hoodlums for the crime of public inanity. Any such orb would have been spotted by humanity's earliest naked-eye astronomers and reported with enough accuracy for us to find it today, and that's just for starters. We have sent satellites around the sun and looked, so there's none of this hiding behind the sun nonsense. Any brown dwarf would be at least bigger than Jupiter, and even Jupiter's mass would be enough to detect perturbations in our system of planets if it were in the same orbit proposed by this piece-of-shit-channeling-crappola. Our sun wobbles around a central point due to the gravity of its planets, and our present day ability already can detect that our Earth makes the sun wobble one foot from that center. Any brown dwarf close enough to be in gravitation relationship with our sun would be wobbling it very very much more, but, alas, none such is found. This pdf file is pure bullshit, and it marauds the common weal by eroding the astronomical education of the masses by confusing those who do not have the experience to recognize it as the vile anti-intellectualism it is. Shame on you for spreading it around -- it's shit but it sure ain't fertilizer. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I am not a doomsdayer. However, for me, the 8.8 quake in Chile takes us to the outer range of normal flow of events -- or at least gives me pause to consider that something outside the pattern of normality. There is a theory that a large planet is coming round the sun, on an orbit of 3,500 years, and could cause serious problems due to its gravity. I got this link from a TMer in England: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter15.pdf (For those with a Physics bent, Chapter 1, Intro and Conclusion are also recommended) Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: The concept that there's a brown dwarf star orbiting our sun with a period of 3,500 years is so easily dismissed that you should be at least duct taped to a tree by hoodlums for the crime of public inanity. Aparently it is visible. Look for it, Duveyoung.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_(Sitchin)#Planets_proposed_by_Zecharia_Sitchin I see that I should have kept my mouth shut and merely cited the above deconstruction of this rank hucksterism. GAWD -- no wonder the Tea Party has no trouble getting members when folks like you glom onto insane amateurs who think they can interpret the heavens and outthink humanity's tens of thousands of astronomers. Uns_stressor, whew, you've got some bad karma coming your way. If you're so willing to spread lies about reality, I can only shudder to think what you're going to be believing next that will take you to a rueful doom. Take some precautions, dude, like read a book maybe. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: The concept that there's a brown dwarf star orbiting our sun with a period of 3,500 years is so easily dismissed that you should be at least duct taped to a tree by hoodlums for the crime of public inanity. Aparently it is visible. Look for it, Duveyoung.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Uns_stressor, whew, you've got some bad karma coming your way. If you're so willing to spread lies about reality... I'm looking for an intelligent debunk/explanation of theories put forward, but I won't expect it from you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Uns_stressor, whew, you've got some bad karma coming your way. If you're so willing to spread lies about reality... I'm looking for an intelligent debunk/explanation of theories put forward, but I won't expect it from you. I gave you scientific-fact reasons to not believe that crappola and you have yet to counter those reasons. Methinks you do not understand the concept debunk. You're spreading lies and fear -- WTF? Are you seriously presenting yourself here as a fully qualified astronomer who is able to show scientific evidence for us to buy into these ugly speculations by a channeling asshole? Come on, admit it, you didn't even read that Wiki page, did you. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: You're probably not into astrology Never have been into western and new age astrology -- no interest even in the exploratory years of Summer of Love era. However, I have dabbled a little in jytoish, having more respect for a discernable tradition. (Not that a tradition makes anything correct, having roots on ancient ways is to me, at least interesting. I can't fully subscribe to the view that all currents of modernity and progress are necessarily superior to older ways and insights.) When wring the original post, it struck me that 1930 was 80 years ago. Every 20 years, Jupiter and Saturn cojoin -- though in new houses. Thus four cycles of that. Not sure that means anything at all -- but an interesting coincidence that could be fun to trace through more thoroughly. but if you were one thing one might notice from looking at todays chart is that the Sun, Jupiter, Mercury and Venus are close together How often does that happen? Mercury and Sun -- all the time. Sun and Jupiter OR Venus once a year. Sun Jupiter AND Venus -- I can't calculate mentally. But the point is -- what happened the last 10-50 times this conjunction occurred? The same thing as in this cycle? If not, if little correlation, then it seems to me the conjunction is of little consequence. and the Moon of course about to go full. That means there is a lot of extra gravitational influence than normal. Full and new moons often cause earthquakes because the gravitational force causes the plates to rise and when they settle you get a quake. Interesting speculation. However, we have 12 new and 12 full moons every year and hardly have 12 8.8 earthquakes every year. And if we do look at major earth quakes, did they (most) always occur at full or new moods? One observer mentioned that we might be in a cycle of quakes for the Pacific Rim that began with the Indonesian one a few years back. Look for even more quakes following the new moon. As much as some folks might like to believe that a bunch of people hopping on foam could prevent things like this, I was thinking all the hopping might cause earthquakes :). human beings are nothing in the scheme of things. We are at the mercy of the elements. Events like this, and all the other stuff, makes one a bit more humble. And if we mess with nature we may just mess it up more. And have you also read the government report predicting an ice age which is probably already starting. When I read the one released about 3 years ago it sounded to me like the smart thing to do would be to move to South America. tartbrain wrote: (resend, original did not appear to post) I am not a doomsdayer. However, for me, the 8.8 quake in Chile takes us to the outer range of normal flow of events -- or at least gives me pause to consider that something outside the pattern of normality. I had been thinking that the Haiti quake seemed really close in time, seismically, to the 2008 China quake (8.0) in 2008, and the tsnunami quake of 2004 (9.1). Now with Chile 8.8 quake just a month after Haiti -- we have got four of the larger of recorded quakes in just 6 years -- and the interval appears accelerating -- rapidly. Chile is 500 times larger (energy wise) than Haiti. It's 15 times larger than the 1906 SF earthquake. The Chile and Haiti quakes occurring in a time of the largest world recession and unemployment in 80 years and unprecedented housing price declines -- and a financial crises 12-18 months ago that crises that took us to the edge. Congress is in a devastating deadlock. States are near bankrupt. Some nations (PIGS and all) are near insolvency. And the federal deficit is so vastly large which could potentially lead to a sustained deflationary period -- what the Japanese have endured for several decades now -- and/or with intervals of hyper inflation (driven by the deficits and increase in money supply, etc). Structural underemployment could last for a decade or more. Look what chronic high unemployment has done to the inner cities. A new social order and vastly changed cultural landscape whereby, amongst many other parallel potential transitions, we could see millions of (former) soccer moms selling meth to feed the kids and keep the house heated (and the house out of foreclosure). It's not an unthinkable scenario Glaciers 1000s of years in the making are rapidly melting. We have had 8 very large crippling storms this winter -- formerly one might occur in a decade. Its difficult to place all of these events in context. We have seen huge transformations in our lifetimes including such transformations in many areas -- the breakup of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, the PC and internet come to mind. And past ages have seen huge change and rapid transformations -- for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: You're probably not into astrology Never have been into western and new age astrology -- no interest even in the exploratory years of Summer of Love era. However, I have dabbled a little in jytoish, having more respect for a discernable tradition. (Not that a tradition makes anything correct, having roots on ancient ways is to me, at least interesting. I can't fully subscribe to the view that all currents of modernity and progress are necessarily superior to older ways and insights.) When wring the original post, it struck me that 1930 was 80 years ago. Every 20 years, Jupiter and Saturn cojoin -- though in new houses. Thus four cycles of that. Not sure that means anything at all -- but an interesting coincidence that could be fun to trace through more thoroughly. but if you were one thing one might notice from looking at todays chart is that the Sun, Jupiter, Mercury and Venus are close together How often does that happen? Mercury and Sun -- all the time. Sun and Jupiter OR Venus once a year. Sun Jupiter AND Venus -- I can't calculate mentally. But the point is -- what happened the last 10-50 times this conjunction occurred? The same thing as in this cycle? If not, if little correlation, then it seems to me the conjunction is of little consequence. It also a conjunction that is occurring on an full moon. BTW, I am looking at this more astronomically or geophysically than astrologically. I think that outside of the Sun and Moon influences the other planets do not have much physical impact on us or the planet. In fact I think the ancients really just used the planets to keep track of naturally occurring cycles be they economic, political and particularly agricultural. However if you look into celestial mechanics and play with the basic calculations you will find you have to add in aberrations which are created by whatever gravitational forces other planets create be they small. Otherwise the orbits won't be correct. What dates need t the most refined terms? The ones when conjunctions such as these occur. and the Moon of course about to go full. That means there is a lot of extra gravitational influence than normal. Full and new moons often cause earthquakes because the gravitational force causes the plates to rise and when they settle you get a quake. Interesting speculation. However, we have 12 new and 12 full moons every year and hardly have 12 8.8 earthquakes every year. And if we do look at major earth quakes, did they (most) always occur at full or new moods? The person that brought this to public attention was Jim Berkland, a geologist for Alameda county who predicted the Loma Prieta quake and got fired as a result. Later Russian scientists released a study showing that indeed the new and full moon and the tides they create impact the probability of quakes. However a fault must be ready to go for it to create a quake. So we can't always sure there is going to be one but there is high probability. Also quakes often occur near eclipses which as you know are less frequent per year. Keep in mind that such forces can make the earth bulge as much as 3 feet which may not sound like much but enough to cause some shifts in plates. One observer mentioned that we might be in a cycle of quakes for the Pacific Rim that began with the Indonesian one a few years back. Look for even more quakes following the new moon. As much as some folks might like to believe that a bunch of people hopping on foam could prevent things like this,
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: You're probably not into astrology Never have been into western and new age astrology -- no interest even in the exploratory years of Summer of Love era. However, I have dabbled a little in jytoish, having more respect for a discernable tradition. (Not that a tradition makes anything correct, having roots on ancient ways is to me, at least interesting. I can't fully subscribe to the view that all currents of modernity and progress are necessarily superior to older ways and insights.) When wring the original post, it struck me that 1930 was 80 years ago. Every 20 years, Jupiter and Saturn cojoin -- though in new houses. Thus four cycles of that. Not sure that means anything at all -- but an interesting coincidence that could be fun to trace through more thoroughly. but if you were one thing one might notice from looking at todays chart is that the Sun, Jupiter, Mercury and Venus are close together How often does that happen? Mercury and Sun -- all the time. Sun and Jupiter OR Venus once a year. Sun Jupiter AND Venus -- I can't calculate mentally. But the point is -- what happened the last 10-50 times this conjunction occurred? The same thing as in this cycle? If not, if little correlation, then it seems to me the conjunction is of little consequence. It also a conjunction that is occurring on an full moon. BTW, I am looking at this more astronomically or geophysically than astrologically. I think that outside of the Sun and Moon influences the other planets do not have much physical impact on us or the planet. In fact I think the ancients really just used the planets to keep track of naturally occurring cycles be they economic, political and particularly agricultural. However if you look into celestial mechanics and play with the basic calculations you will find you have to add in aberrations which are created by whatever gravitational forces other planets create be they small. Otherwise the orbits won't be correct. What dates need t the most refined terms? The ones when conjunctions such as these occur. and the Moon of course about to go full. That means there is a lot of extra gravitational influence than normal. Full and new moons often cause earthquakes because the gravitational force causes the plates to rise and when they settle you get a quake. Interesting speculation. However, we have 12 new and 12 full moons every year and hardly have 12 8.8 earthquakes every year. And if we do look at major earth quakes, did they (most) always occur at full or new moods? The person that brought this to public attention was Jim Berkland, a geologist for Alameda county who predicted the Loma Prieta quake and got fired as a result. Later Russian scientists released a study showing that indeed the new and full moon and the tides they create impact the probability of quakes. That would be interesting to look at. I have seen similar correlations with sunspot activity. Increasing the probability, not necessary causing the event each and every time,is an important perspective. Eating a pound of butter a day may never cause a heart attack, But it does increase the chances. And for a population, more butter gorgers will have heart attacks. However a fault must be ready to go for it to create a quake. So we can't always sure there is going to be one but there is high probability. Also quakes often occur near eclipses which as you know are less frequent per year. Keep in mind that such forces can make the earth bulge as much as 3 feet which may not sound like much but enough to cause some shifts in plates. One observer mentioned that we might be in a cycle of quakes for the Pacific Rim that began with the Indonesian one a few years back. Look for even more quakes following the new moon. As much as some folks might like to believe that a bunch of people hopping on foam could prevent things like this,
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
There are not more Earhquakes than in the past, but the world's population is much bigger than half a century ago, so humans are going to notice them, because humans are now everywhere, and with with mass communication as well. Those storms you had in the US are nothing. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: (resend, original did not appear to post) I am not a doomsdayer. However, for me, the 8.8 quake in Chile takes us to the outer range of normal flow of events -- or at least gives me pause to consider that something outside the pattern of normality. I had been thinking that the Haiti quake seemed really close in time, seismically, to the 2008 China quake (8.0) in 2008, and the tsnunami quake of 2004 (9.1). Now with Chile 8.8 quake just a month after Haiti -- we have got four of the larger of recorded quakes in just 6 years -- and the interval appears accelerating -- rapidly. Chile is 500 times larger (energy wise) than Haiti. It's 15 times larger than the 1906 SF earthquake. The Chile and Haiti quakes occurring in a time of the largest world recession and unemployment in 80 years and unprecedented housing price declines -- and a financial crises 12-18 months ago that crises that took us to the edge. Congress is in a devastating deadlock. States are near bankrupt. Some nations (PIGS and all) are near insolvency. And the federal deficit is so vastly large which could potentially lead to a sustained deflationary period -- what the Japanese have endured for several decades now -- and/or with intervals of hyper inflation (driven by the deficits and increase in money supply, etc). Structural underemployment could last for a decade or more. Look what chronic high unemployment has done to the inner cities. A new social order and vastly changed cultural landscape whereby, amongst many other parallel potential transitions, we could see millions of (former) soccer moms selling meth to feed the kids and keep the house heated (and the house out of foreclosure). It's not an unthinkable scenario Glaciers 1000s of years in the making are rapidly melting. We have had 8 very large crippling storms this winter -- formerly one might occur in a decade. Its difficult to place all of these events in context. We have seen huge transformations in our lifetimes including such transformations in many areas -- the breakup of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, the PC and internet come to mind. And past ages have seen huge change and rapid transformations -- for the good and for the bad. But with so many contemporary extreme events occurring, with increasing frequency makes me ponder what's going on?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Going On?
THE ORACLE SPEAKETH! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: There are not more Earhquakes than in the past, but the world's population is much bigger than half a century ago, so humans are going to notice them, because humans are now everywhere, and with with mass communication as well. Those storms you had in the US are nothing. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: (resend, original did not appear to post) I am not a doomsdayer. However, for me, the 8.8 quake in Chile takes us to the outer range of normal flow of events -- or at least gives me pause to consider that something outside the pattern of normality. I had been thinking that the Haiti quake seemed really close in time, seismically, to the 2008 China quake (8.0) in 2008, and the tsnunami quake of 2004 (9.1). Now with Chile 8.8 quake just a month after Haiti -- we have got four of the larger of recorded quakes in just 6 years -- and the interval appears accelerating -- rapidly. Chile is 500 times larger (energy wise) than Haiti. It's 15 times larger than the 1906 SF earthquake. The Chile and Haiti quakes occurring in a time of the largest world recession and unemployment in 80 years and unprecedented housing price declines -- and a financial crises 12-18 months ago that crises that took us to the edge. Congress is in a devastating deadlock. States are near bankrupt. Some nations (PIGS and all) are near insolvency. And the federal deficit is so vastly large which could potentially lead to a sustained deflationary period -- what the Japanese have endured for several decades now -- and/or with intervals of hyper inflation (driven by the deficits and increase in money supply, etc). Structural underemployment could last for a decade or more. Look what chronic high unemployment has done to the inner cities. A new social order and vastly changed cultural landscape whereby, amongst many other parallel potential transitions, we could see millions of (former) soccer moms selling meth to feed the kids and keep the house heated (and the house out of foreclosure). It's not an unthinkable scenario Glaciers 1000s of years in the making are rapidly melting. We have had 8 very large crippling storms this winter -- formerly one might occur in a decade. Its difficult to place all of these events in context. We have seen huge transformations in our lifetimes including such transformations in many areas -- the breakup of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, the PC and internet come to mind. And past ages have seen huge change and rapid transformations -- for the good and for the bad. But with so many contemporary extreme events occurring, with increasing frequency makes me ponder what's going on?
