[FairfieldLife] Re: 60's TV Stereotyping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/26/06 11:53:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking of the portrayal of Native Americans, and to some extent Mexicans, when thinking of overt racism. Ah yes , Poncho and Cisco and Tonto. Exactly Kimosabe. And lot of westerns with really depraved views of Indians. (Though when some shots showed them wearing tennis shoes, how serious could you take it.) +++ Remember the cartoon that showed the lone ranger finding out in later years that kemosabe was Apache slang for a horses butt? Maybe it all evened out on a subtle level. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and who we call the Japanese are not themselves the true natives to the Islands we know as Japan. The Ainu -- an alleged Caucasian people -- are the previous inhabitants of Japan. And there are only several thousand left. The orientals there that we call Japanese came from China several thousand years ago. Well there are no true natives anywhere but Southern Africa. From where all our anscenstors immigarated 45,000 years ago or so. +++ Popular theory but, I don't see it explaining the differences in the four race colors we have today. Four is arbitrary- why not three or five? This theory is derived from limited input and is right for such. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Caucasians= Sattva dominates, rajas secondary Semitic = Rajas dominates, sattva secondary Oriental = Rajas dominates, tamas secondary Black = Tamas dominates, rajas secondary This is evil and wrong. +++ In the Aquqrian Gospel, Jesus made a similar observation while in India. There is some good information in India but in some cases, they failed anatomy 101 it looks like. N. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: +++ Popular theory but, I don't see it explaining the differences in the four race colors we have today. Four is arbitrary- why not three or five? This theory is derived from limited input and is right for such. N. *** MMY commentary on Ch 4, v. 13 of the Gita: This is the fourfold order in creation. Every species, whether vegetable, animal or human, is divided into four categories, acccording to the four divisions of the gunas, which determine the natural mode of activity of each category. ** So, Caucasians= Sattva dominates, rajas secondary Semitic = Rajas dominates, sattva secondary Oriental = Rajas dominates, tamas secondary Black = Tamas dominates, rajas secondary To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip MMY commentary on Ch 4, v. 13 of the Gita: This is the fourfold order in creation. Every species, whether vegetable, animal or human, is divided into four categories, acccording to the four divisions of the gunas, which determine the natural mode of activity of each category. ** So, Caucasians= Sattva dominates, rajas secondary Semitic = Rajas dominates, sattva secondary Oriental = Rajas dominates, tamas secondary Black = Tamas dominates, rajas secondary Just so nobody gets confused, this last part is NOT in MMY's Gita commentary. +++ That's good- was trying to figure out semitic being red. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Religion Paranormal The Transcendental Temptation: A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal by Paul Kurtz. Published by Prometheus Books. Guide Rating - +++ Once upon a time, the world was flat. With the passing of time and more expierience gained, it has become round. This author lacks expierience with which the paranormal becomes normal. Isn't it generally agreed that people are using ten to fifteen percent of their brain but now we have someone saying that this or that expierience is not possible. I have a more optimistic view of the benefits of integrated brain functioning even tho it is only a theory. N. Is there some basic connection between religious beliefs and paranormal beliefs? Some commonality which helps explain not only their similarities, but also why they have been so appealing to so many people throughout human history? Although there are many books which offer critiques of either religion or the paranormal, few are willing to do both, probably because people who are skeptical of one aren't necessarily skeptical of the other. But Paul Kurtz is willing to create such a unified critique, and his book The Transcendental Temptation is the result of his efforts. In it, he argues that there are some striking similarities between religion and the paranormal which can account for their natures and their popularity. The first part of the book comprises of a solid explanation and defense of both skepticism and the scientific method. There are, on the one hand, people who defend a practical stance towards knowledge and belief - people who are usually called empiricists, rationalists or skeptics. But on the other hand are people who are not content with mundane reality and who are susceptible to claims about deeper mysteries and truths which require faith for acceptance. Being a skeptic does not mean disclaiming any access to knowledge in the world - it is possible to form rational beliefs based upon the use of reason and logic. Faith, however, is the antithesis of both reason and logic. Following a lengthy critique of faith-based religious and paranormal beliefs, including Jesus and other prophets, UFOs, ESP and more, Kurtz examines one of the primary causes of people accepting such faith: what he calls the transcendental temptation. The basis for this temptation is magical thinking - the belief that people or events are magical, in that they have access to an unseen and hidden realm of power which lies behind our visible world but which can nevertheless be tapped into and used to affect our lives. People tend to associate such thinking with primitive cultures, but it continues even today and early scholars of religion, like Sir James G. Frazer, identified magical thinking as constituting the core of religion. Magical thinking, whether involved with supernatural or paranormal beliefs, requires two preconditions. The first is an actual ignorance of the natural causes of events in question, and the second is the assumption that, in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause. These two factors in conjunction allow for the development of ad hoc explanations, often relying upon an assumption that correlation demonstrates causation. For example, praying just before something good happens leads one to the belief that the positive event was caused by the prayer. This magical thinking is certainly irrational, in that it deliberately bases conclusions upon a clear lack of demonstrable evidence and without regard for logical coherence or consistency. It is also anti-scientific because methodologically, science seeks knowable, testable and repeatable explanations for events. Science does not get involved with ad hoc pseudoexplanations which cannot be tested or understood in by any coherent means. But where does the temptation part come in? It is obvious how this magical thinking can be described as transcendental, because it seeks to find explanations which transcend our normal world and experience, but why are people tempted to accept these stories? The explanation is twofold - first our innate creativity, and second our penchant for seeking patterns. Together, they can lead people to false beliefs: The imagination draws a fanciful picture of a transcendental reality, some kind of celestial kingdom. Time and again theistic myth appeals to the hungry soul; it feeds the creative imagination and soothes the pain of living. There must be something beyond this actual world, which we cannot see, hear, feel or touch. There must be a deeper world, which the intellect ponders and the emotions crave. Here is the opening for the transcendental impulse. Yes, says the imagination, these things are possible. It
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: Religion Paranormal The Transcendental Temptation: A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal by Paul Kurtz. Published by Prometheus Books. Guide Rating - +++ Once upon a time, the world was flat. With the passing of time and more expierience gained, it has become round. This author lacks expierience with which the paranormal becomes normal. Indeed. However... Isn't it generally agreed that people are using ten to fifteen percent of their brain but now we have someone saying that this or that expierience is not possible. ...to the extent that this is generally agreed, it's agreed on the basis of a misunderstanding of the findings of early EEG research. See this article from Scientific American: http://tinyurl.com/4pp8h It's one thing to speculate that we use only 10 percent of the brain's *potential* (although it's hard to say how one would arrive at a specific percentage); but the notion that we use only 10 percent of the brain itself is simply inaccurate. snip +++ Interesting article. Maybe integrated hemisphere functioning would be the better term. I was thinking of Mr. Peake (sp) (the Rain man) who still continues to absorb knowledge and be able to recall it. His ability to memorize large numbers of books would indicate some brain function that is not generaly in use by the average person. I have some problem remembering more than a few phone numbers and this guy looks like he has more than a terrabite memory. I definitely don't have ten percent of this kind of memory- maybe I am getting bit of old timers syndrome N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Revelations/ Number:666 +G.W.Bush =?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip You have to remember that here in the US film is just a cash cow for a select bunch of jerks. They put out low common denominator films that anyone with any taste would not waste their time seeing even for free on HDTV. Yet the lemming go to the film in droves even if the critics declare it a disaster. I go to matinees just to avoid crowds. B-b-b-but Barry says people here are *afraid* to go to the movies! I mean, he's quite sure of that; it's so obvious he can see it all the way from France. +++ I hadn't noticed that problem here in FF although you could say FF isn't representative of the national average. With the old folks discount, it is a little less expensive and on some occasions there are so few people there it might as well be a private showing and,they make the popcorn. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote ...to the extent that this is generally agreed, it's agreed on the basis of a misunderstanding of the findings of early EEG research. See this article from Scientific American: http://tinyurl.com/4pp8h snip +++ Interesting article. Maybe integrated hemisphere functioning would be the better term. I was thinking of Mr. Peake (sp) (the Rain man) who still continues to absorb knowledge and be able to recall it. His ability to memorize large numbers of books would indicate some brain function that is not generaly in use by the average person. On the other hand, he lacks other abilities that average people have. Maybe the brain has room for only so many abilities, and average people have more abilities but each ability is allotted a smaller portion of the brain's capacity, compared to the larger portions of Peake's brain allotted to each of his smaller number of abilities? Did that make any sense?? It's sort of like a library with a limited amount of shelf space. It can have books on a wide range of books, with only a few on each topic; or it can specialize in only a few topics and have lots of books on each. +++ That seems logical as in specialization but also, in a recent story on him, it said he had gotten used to public speaking and was absorbing more knowledge in different fields. I have some problem remembering more than a few phone numbers and this guy looks like he has more than a terrabite memory. I definitely don't have ten percent of this kind of memory- We're all heading in that direction... Lately I've consoled myself with the thought that the older one gets, the more memories one has, and the brain has a harder time fitting in new stuff that comes along on the fly. The memory begins to get fragmented, like a hard disk, so it's harder to access what you want to remember. And sometimes the brain can't find a space for the item before it falls out of short-term memory and is lost. + that must be it- my memory needs to be de-figmented. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: Religion Paranormal The Transcendental Temptation: A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal by Paul Kurtz. Published by Prometheus Books. snip The first part of the book comprises of a solid explanation and defense of both skepticism and the scientific method. There are, on the one hand, people who defend a practical stance towards knowledge and belief - people who are usually called empiricists, rationalists or skeptics. But on the other hand are people who are not content with mundane reality and who are susceptible to claims about deeper mysteries and truths which require faith for acceptance. Or which stem from direct personal experience. Which is a middle ground -- personally empirical. Not yet universally empirical. But personal skepticism is also called for along with personal empiricism. We experiece, but also interpret that experience. We need to question our interpretations. Is this the only possible interpretation of the experience? It appears to me, a lot of interpretations of experiences are based on faith / scripture / peer practice / magical thinking, etc. +++ You stand out in the rain- you get wet- some expieriences have a very limited range of interpretation and require little faith. Some would rather overlook the obvious and, others don't see what they are looking at. N To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: --- Religion Paranormal The Transcendental Temptation: A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal by Paul Kurtz. Published by Prometheus Books. Guide Rating - +++ Once upon a time, the world was flat. With the passing of time and more expierience gained, it has become round. This author lacks expierience with which the paranormal becomes normal. Thats pretty funny. And seems to ignore the history of science. Are you suggesting Kurtz is ignorant of, or denies the history of science? +++ NO.. It's more like when science finally figures everything out, there shouldn't be antything left to be classified as paranormal. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] On the other hand, he lacks other abilities that average people have. Maybe the brain has room for only so many abilities, and average people have more abilities but each ability is allotted a smaller portion of the brain's capacity, compared to the larger portions of Peake's brain allotted to each of his smaller number of abilities? Did that make any sense?? It's sort of like a library with a limited amount of shelf space. It can have books on a wide range of books, with only a few on each topic; or it can specialize in only a few topics and have lots of books on each. It's more like the brain is a network of computers dedicated to specific tasks. While any arbitrary computer might be able to take over some part of the tasks of an adjacent computer, the most efficient way to go is to use the dedicated unit. If a given unit is really large, it can do its task really well, but there's only so much physical space available in your head, so if there's a larger-than-average unit there, there's bound to be one or more smaller-than-average units also, and if they're too small, they can't do their assigned task very well. If they don't exist, some other unit has to take over, with drastically reduced efficiency. +++ That looks like a good analogy but I would wonder if a person who continues to be able to memorize books and supposedly doesn't have a seperation of brain hemispheres would be likely to run out of space. I would be willing to bet he has more available space on his hard drive than your Mac quad core. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: Religion Paranormal The Transcendental Temptation: A Critique of Religion and the Paranormal by Paul Kurtz. Published by Prometheus Books. snip The first part of the book comprises of a solid explanation and defense of both skepticism and the scientific method. There are, on the one hand, people who defend a practical stance towards knowledge and belief - people who are usually called empiricists, rationalists or skeptics. But on the other hand are people who are not content with mundane reality and who are susceptible to claims about deeper mysteries and truths which require faith for acceptance. Or which stem from direct personal experience. Which is a middle ground -- personally empirical. Not yet universally empirical. But personal skepticism is also called for along with personal empiricism. We experiece, but also interpret that experience. We need to question our interpretations. Is this the only possible interpretation of the experience? It appears to me, a lot of interpretations of experiences are based on faith / scripture / peer practice / magical thinking, etc. +++ You stand out in the rain- you get wet- some expieriences have a very limited range of interpretation and require little faith. Some would rather overlook the obvious and, others don't see what they are looking at. N But you seemto be leading quite a simple life if it primarily involves standing in the rain. :) +++ROFL,, Being simple, I enjoyed that one- thanks. Do you experience the sun rise? I do. Its personally empirical, but not consitent with what is scietifically empirical. My interpretation is limited. +++ Science, schmience, I enjoy life on a personal level with it's limitations. Idont understand digestion on the molecular level but make use of it and it adds to enjoying life. Most people use electricity but just about no one really knows what it is- put your finger in a light socket and you will become an instant believer of a theory. And are you really standing in the rain? And not some primordial quantum soup? On one level, that IS what is happening. As or more correct than your interpretation. And if you is only a construct, you standing in the rain is a weak, if not false interpretation. What if you know (primarily) the rain is IT and much as IT is within. Its then IT standing -- which is the act of IT -- in IT But my point is that some have an experience and interpret it as shakti, prana, kundalini, love, fear, pain, Brahman or CC or whatver. It may be. It may not be. Labels may be irrelevant. But labeling an experience by some name found in some scripture somewhere smells of a bit of faith. If not wishful thinking. Some will claim the self-evident defense. But as we have recently discussed, many have claimed things as self-evident when later we see they were false. The self-evident defense seems to me to be a spiffy faith-based defense in many cases. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] snip Memory space probably is NEVER an issue in a healthy brain. Ability to ACCESS the memories is another issue. I was talking about the functioning of the various parts of the brain, not specific memories or the space they take up. Has there been brain imaging done on this guy's brain? Any description online of the results? +++ I believe there were a few posts about him here quite a while back and some wheres I saw an article about another person who was similar that could do large number calculations in his head but had the unique ability to explain how the process worked out- something like the big numbers turning into symbols that only had to be matched up. My apologies for not having any links on the subject. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: +++ Once upon a time, the world was flat. With the passing of time and more expierience gained, it has become round. This author lacks expierience with which the paranormal becomes normal. Thats pretty funny. And seems to ignore the history of science. Are you suggesting Kurtz is ignorant of, or denies the history of science? FWIW, I understood him to be saying that Kurtz lacks experience of the paranormal. ok. I read him to say This author lacks expierience with which the paranormal BECOMES normal. [caps added] I would guess that it becomes normal when you have lots of it. In other words, Kurtz hasn't had enough (if any) for it to become normal for him. Still not sure what this has to do with your notion that he was suggesting Kurtz is ignorant of or denies the history of science. My mistake. :) Well, maybe I am still missing his point. But he appears to be saying that some things that seem magical, later become scientific truths. I don't think Kurtz would argue that. The history of science is that things unknown become known. At the turn of the century some prominent scientists proclaimed we know everything now. Boy were they in for a shock. Radio would have seemed a paranormal pehomenon in 1850. By 1920 or so it was normal. Kurtz would not dispute that. It seems to me that Nelson was implying he would. If not, my mistake. However, that some things that seem magical, later become scientific truths does not imply, as Nelson may be doing, that all things magical later become scientific truths. Some things are just bunk, and will always be bunk. The Arthur C. Clarke quote is germane -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. However, its important to understand that the following corallary is not true Any magic will someday be seen as advanced technology. That is lots of paranormal stuff today is bunk, will always be bunk. And some will become science in the future. +++ Could we say then that some things we see or expierience today will be proven not to have happened oneday because there is no scientific explaination? just curious,, N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [...] The Arthur C. Clarke quote is germane -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. However, its important to understand that the following corallary is not true Any magic will someday be seen as advanced technology. That is lots of paranormal stuff today is bunk, will always be bunk. And some will become science in the future. +++ Could we say then that some things we see or expierience today will be proven not to have happened oneday because there is no scientific explaination? just curious,, N. Here's a set of quotes from scientists that you may find amusing. Some are long-winded and some are succinct: http://www.amasci.com/weird/skepquot.html +++ A lot of material but, some good points- thanks. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate Well, maybe I am still missing his point. But he appears to be saying that some things that seem magical, later become scientific truths. I don't think Kurtz would argue that. The history of science is that things unknown become known. At the turn of the century some prominent scientists proclaimed we know everything now. Boy were they in for a shock. Radio would have seemed a paranormal pehomenon in 1850. By 1920 or so it was normal. Kurtz would not dispute that. It seems to me that Nelson was implying he would. If not, my mistake. However, that some things that seem magical, later become scientific truths does not imply, as Nelson may be doing, that all things magical later become scientific truths. Some things are just bunk, and will always be bunk. The Arthur C. Clarke quote is germane -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. However, its important to understand that the following corallary is not true Any magic will someday be seen as advanced technology. That is lots of paranormal stuff today is bunk, will always be bunk. And some will become science in the future. +++ Could we say then that some things we see or expierience today will be proven not to have happened oneday because there is no scientific explaination? just curious,, N. I don't follow. Can you give specific examples of what you are referring to. snip +++ I once was at a meeting of three couples where coffee was served. It was an eight cup coffee pot and each person had at least two cups. I conclude that, in some cases, science is irrelevant. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Critique of The Transcendental Temptation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: While your conclusiuon does not follow from your illustration,I agree with the conclusion. Of course science is not particularly (curently at least) relevant to lots of things: beauty, love etc. It can tell us some things about cultural and gentic conditioning, perception and its traps -- all relevant to love and beauty, but far from comprehensive. I don't consult a scientist to figure out if the sunset is beautiful, or if I am in love. Or to figure out Love and Beauty's nature. My favorite all time joke, illustrative of the limits of science is ... 63!!! For those who don'tremember 63, its the one where the drunk is unsuccessfully looking for his car keys under the streetlamp. A passerby asks whats the matter blah blah .. and then asks well where did you lose your kyes. Over there said the drunk. Well why are you looking for them here. The drunk answers, The lights much better here. Some use the light of science to look for stuff where science cannot shine. (Nor the sun). Like a guy with a hammer, every problem is a nail. And that doesn't make science irrelevant to many realms. It dosn't make the paranormal true. Much of the paranormal is within the light of science. Tele-kinetics, Tele-pathy are all quite testable. In a couple of centuries, no set of studies indicate much validity to such. Not that they won't some say. But haven't as of yet. (And testing tele-kinetics doesn't require some sophisticed not-yet existing measurement devices. The figgin thing moves or it doesn't. So far, it has not. +++ I meant it as a mathmatical anomaly- Pouring twelve cups of coffee out of an eight cup coffee pot is not scientific so I conclude science isn't always a factor even in the rather inflexible realm of mathmatics. Things like that occur and, it's no big deal- just evidence that there are some laws unknown to science which make dismissal of something as not scientific an untenable position. On telepathy- it only has to happen to you once to make a believer of you- dosen't require testing. As with many things, you shouldn't say it isn't because you haven't seen it. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen fighting for our freedom. Believe me nobody ever died fighting for our freedom. What about the American Revolutionary War? Are you against that war? Would you mind being a colony of Britain today? I'm not sure that Memorial Day celebrates the Revolutionary War. More likely the 4th of the July. Homeland Security would have thrown the Revolutionaries in Gitmo nowadays. snip +++ Interesting to see all the ideas and POVs and how they differ from people who saw the forties as current events. I doubt either POV could be explained to the other. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A possible solution to our growing antibiotic problem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eat Me The Soviet method for attacking infection that we can learn from. By Daria Vaisman Posted Tuesday, May 30, 2006, at 12:41 PM ET +++ Hi Shemp, Interesting article- Did you ever look into grapefruit seed extract or, citruscidal(sp)? This stuff is said to eliminate known harmfull bacteria with no side effects. A health food store item- around twelve dollars for a month supply. N. Illustration of a bacteriophage In the 1920s and '30s, with diseases like dysentery and cholera running rampant, the discovery of bacteriophages was hailed as a breakthrough. Bacteriophages are viruses found virtually everywhere from soil to seawater to your intestinesthat kill specific, infection-causing bacteria. In the United States, the drug company Eli Lilly marketed phages for abscesses and respiratory infections. (Sinclair Lewis' Pulitzer-winning Arrowsmith is about a doctor who uses phages to prevent a diphtheria epidemic.) But by the 1940s, American scientists stopped working with phages for treatment because they no longer had reason to. Penicillin, discovered by the Scottish bacteriologist Alexander Fleming in 1928, had become widely available thanks to synthetic production and zapped infections without the expertise needed for finicky phages. But now the equation has changed. Many kinds of bacteria have become antibiotic-resistantprompting a few Western scientists, and patients, to travel to former Soviet Georgia to give bacteriophages for treatment a try. Phages have been used in the former Soviet Union for decades because scientists there had less access to antibiotics than their American and European counterparts did. Phages were a cheap alternative, and in Soviet clinical trials, they repeatedly stopped infections. Now in a bid for medical tourists, Georgia has opened a center in its capital, Tbilisi, which offers outpatient phage treatment to foreigners. In connection with the Eliava phage research institute, which Stalin helped set up in Tbilisi in 1923, the treatment center offers personalized cures for a host of infections the United States says it can no longer do anything about. In 2000, the Centers for Disease Control, along with other federal agencies, warned that the world might soon return to a pre- antibiotic era. Two million people each year now get hospital-borne bacterial infections, 1.4 million of them resistant to antibiotics and 90,000 of them lethal. One example is sepsis, the infection that killed Joan Didion's daughter, as Didion relates in The Year of Magical Thinking. New antibiotics are being discovered. But it takes 10 years and at least $800 million to bring an antibiotic to market, according to the Infectious Diseases Society of America. The big advantage that phages offer over antibiotics is that bacterial resistance is less of a problem. Unlike antibiotics, new phage batches can quickly be whipped up to take the place of phages to which bacteria become resistant. The word phage comes from the Greek to eat. A phage contains genetic material that gets injected into a virus's host. Whereas bad viruses infect healthy cells, phages target specific bacteria that then explode. At Eliava, phages are produced as a liquid that can be drunk or injected intravenously, as pills, or as phage-containing patches for wounds. Though few published articles in Western journals report positive clinical trialsmost of the recent long-term research on phages comes out of the Soviet Union some Western scientists say that phages are safe and that they work. There is no evidence that phage is harmful in any way, says Nick Mann, a biology professor at the University of Warwick in England and co-director of phage RD company Novolytics. So, why do American patients need to go to all the way to Georgia for treatment? For starters, in their natural state phages are hard to patent, the route by which drug companies lock up future profits. The first company to spend millions of dollars to prove that a particular phage is safe could allow its competitors to capitalize on the results. As important is the difficulty of regulation. There are two ways that phages are currently used in the former Soviet Union, and both pose problems from the point of view of the Food and Drug Administration. At the Tbilisi phage center, phages are personalized: You send your bacterial sample to the lab, and it's either matched up with an existing phage or a phage is cultured just for you. In the United States, by contrast, drugs are mass produced, which makes it easier for the FDA to regulate them. Phages are also sold over-the-counter in Georgia. People take the popular mixture piobacteriophage, for example, to fight off common infections including staph and strep. These phage mixtures are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [NESARA INTERNATIONAL Attempt to arrest Tony Blair
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Is it odd not to see some comment on such news or, did I miss something somewhere here? N. Note: forwarded message attached. - Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. *Feds: 3 dead as U.S., French agents seized British evidence in covered up Capitol Hill gunfight* *Police, media silence sought as Bush officials turned Rayburn parking garage into temporary auto-body shop* /by Tom Flocco/// *Washington---May 31, 2006---TomFlocco.com---*Bush administration officials operated Memorial Day weekend damage control to cover up the deaths of three foreign intelligence operatives---two British and one French---involved in a Friday morning shootout in the House of Representatives parking garage. The altercation turned into an exchange of automatic weapons fire over a pouch containing evidence files documenting an operation to bomb the rail system along the Northeast corridor on Thursday---with the full knowledge of George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair who was in Washington while the operation was being hatched. Teams of U.S.-French alliance (AFA) operatives---including CIA, NSA and FBI agents committed to holding the Bush administration accountable for criminal activities---had been electronically monitoring a British agent who they determined to be the leader of a black ops bombing plot planned for the purpose of disrupting northeast rail traffic via a fake terrorist attack. Federal agents revealed that a taxi cab left the Rayburn building parking garage with three body bags just after the shootout which was covered up by Capitol Hill police on instructions from Bush officials who were in contact with television executives and House/Senate leaders. The agents had followed the British operative into the Rayburn parking garage where the shootout occurred according to longtime federal whistleblower Stewart Webb http://www.stewwebb.com and intelligence authority Thomas Heneghan both of whom confirmed the whole incident via several of Webb's 22-years worth of inside federal sources with further corroboration by several more U.S and French intelligence agents to whom Heneghan spoke. Evidence files proving the bombing operation were seized after an Israeli intelligence agent had reportedly tipped off the Brit who was being pursued by AFA agents which resulted in several House and staff members experiencing shot-out automobile windshields and doors sprayed with bullet holes in the ensuing weapons exchange, the two told /TomFlocco.com/. Heneghan told us this evening that hundreds of shots were fired from the automatic weapons during the gunfight causing reasonably extensive damage, and that one female House staffer fainted in the hall after encountering one of the agents being sought by Capitol police during the Rayburn lockdown. Formal protests and reports were exchanged by the British and French governments while Mr. Bush was provided with the full reports of the incident now classified under arcane U.S. intelligence regulations to further sequester the evidence from the American people. Washington news outlets are reportedly being discouraged from filing Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to acquire the evidence and reports. Webb was speaking to an intelligence source within a half hour after the shootout on Friday morning just as we called to find out if he had heard that the Rayburn parking garage and Capitol complex were being temporarily sealed off to keep tourists, House members and staffers away from the scene and evidence of damaged vehicles, concrete walls and pillars. Capitol police told the media that the gunfight sounds were caused by apparent construction equipment which may have sounded like shots being fired in the parking garage, but no reports indicate the nature of the construction scheduled for that day at the Rayburn building and for what purpose, but also why the police launched a four-hour Rayburn lockdown and floor-by-floor search of the largest office structure on Capitol Hill. According to U.S. intelligence agents close to the incident, the media fell for the Bush-ordered Capitol police damage control lock, stock and barrel. *Federal agents had planned to arrest Tony Blair* We were told that French and U.S. agents are familiar enough with the Rayburn building that they were able to leave inconspicuously and without notice after seizing the evidence; however, the Israeli agent who tipped off the British agent with the evidence was the subject being sought during the Rayburn lockdown, but someone in the building helped him escape. AFA operatives had planned to arrest Prime Minister Blair to appear before the Patrick Fitzgerald grand jury to explain doctored
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [NESARA INTERNATIONAL Attempt to arrest Tony Blair
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/06 8:39:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: +++ Is it odd not to see some comment on such news or, did I miss something somewhere here? N. snip But but But... where was the man on the grassy knoll? +++ Thanks, that keeps it from being a total loss. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Report Last Week: Shots Fired In D.C.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why did you post this? It was a false alarm, construction noises were mistaken for gunfire. I've noticed the media is all over stories like this- Probably keeps many people in a state of fear re: 'the war on terra'. Even after such ill-reported stories have been debunked as inevitable false alarms I've seen the various networks continue to use them as teasers for upcoming broadcasts. really pathetic. I think people are just getting a little too bored and need something to perk them up. could be- I'm sticking with my de-facto conspiracy theory, though I'm just of the school, where Truth is usually stranger than fiction. +++ Making it easy to cover up the truth with fiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: amrit from india?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's definitely cold here, and maybe I expected too much from DC--but with it being a bit farther south and all, I thought the winters would be considerably warmer. Maybe there wasn't as much wind, but the snow and cold were pretty similar, or so I thought at the time. Sal +++ One winter, I was out to Frances Thickie's farm (raidience dairy) to look at some work to be done and he commented that being from Wisconsin, it doesn't get cold in Iowa. I recalled one winter some years back going to work when it was around minus twenty five F and thinking it was definitely cool. N. On Jun 7, 2006, at 2:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks Sal. We have both lived in both places so it is funny that we think of the Winters so differently. I remember that wind cutting through me...Brr! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Hey, as far as the winters go, I doubt they're much worse than DC's--those could get pretty harsh. Springs are lovely there, though, apart from the tornadoes, one of which sliced right through my neighborhood a year before I Ieft. And about the rus-- don't worry, most of the fanatics have long ago been either locked out or locked up. :) Sal On Jun 7, 2006, at 2:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks. So it isn't enough to mess with the market. I remember so many charming homes in Fairfield for fantastic prices. If it weren't for those Winters...and the Ru's of course! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Curtis, I haven't noticed any groundswell of people moving to SV homes, there are plenty of meditators living in town who are perfectly happy with their homes, just as they were before all this started. The ones buying or otherwise living in the SV houses seem to be either people who were living on campus before, and can't now due to the fact that many of the buildings are gone, or those who basically had their homes given to them, like I would imagine the Wynnes and some others have, and also a number who moved here within the last few years. Maybe someone else can provide more insights. Sal On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:17 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: fairfielders pay about 50% over market value for a house with the TMO seal of approval. Are Fairfielders abandoning non-vastu homes in any numbers? Is is causing a drop in prices for non-vastu homes? What an interesting component to a real estate market! The Hong Kong market is totally driven by Feng Shui. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slight revision to interface...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Seems that they've reverted to the prev/next link-buttons, rather than newest/newer/ older/ oldest link-buttons, so they're going back to a certain consistency at least for the most- used commands. And now the message list uses that clunky thing. Someone is using he entire Yahoo community as an alpha-tester, it seems... +++It seems to be a pervasive problem- when something is working fairly well,someone has to scramble it. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten [Observations] [aka Rules] for Being Human
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Ten Rules for Being Human by Cherie Carter-Scott 1. You will receive a body. You may like it or hate it, but it's yours to keep for the entire period. 2. You will learn lessons. You are enrolled in a full-time informal school called, life. 3. There are no mistakes, only lessons. Growth is a process of trial, error, and experimentation. The failed experiments are as much a part of the process as the experiments that ultimately work. 4. Lessons are repeated until they are learned. A lesson will be presented to you in various forms until you have learned it. When you have learned it, you can go on to the next lesson. 5. Learning lessons does not end. There's no part of life that doesn't contain its lessons. If you're alive, that means there are still lessons to be learned. 6. There is no better a place than here. When your there has become a here, you will simply obtain another there that will again look better than here. 7. Other people are merely mirrors of you. You cannot love or hate something about another person unless it reflects to you something you love or hate about yourself. 8. What you make of your life is up to you. You have all the tools and resources you need. What you do with them is up to you. The choice is yours. 9. Your answers lie within you. The answers to life's questions lie within you. All you need to do is look, listen, and trust. 10. You will forget all this. Good find- Thanks for posting this! +++ This sounds like a rerun of some of Donald Shimoda's handbook. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, I agree with the general point that using words in discussions with others that have a perjorative connonation -- to them -- is not usually helpful to the tone and fruitfulness of the discussion. Often this occurs when there is not a common understanding of meaning. Reading your recent posts /cites from Kurtz helped me sharpen up my definition of magical thinking -- as I hope, perhaps naievly (that they read it), it has for others And I don't think the term is necessarily pejoritive when understood. Some ascribe to its merits and value, others do not. Its becomes a simple statement of fact about someones mode of inquiry for one who has an actual ignorance of the natural causes of events in question, ... the assumption that, in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause. ... These two factors in conjunction allow for the development of ad hoc explanations, often relying upon an assumption that correlation demonstrates causation. ... This magical thinking is certainly irrational, in that it deliberately bases conclusions upon a clear lack of demonstrable evidence and without regard for logical coherence or consistency. ... but why are people tempted to accept these stories? The explanation is twofold - first our innate creativity, and second our penchant for seeking patterns. Together, they can lead people to false beliefs. (Kurtz) There are those on this list that openly proclaim, or demonstrate a strong belief in via, their writings that: 1) correlation demonstrates causation 2) in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause +++ In the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and natural cause otherwise what you see isn't happening. Like the rest of us, Mr. Kurtz can make observations that reflect his opinion and don't have great merit. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: No, I have not read that one. It looks good. I think cognitve biases and logical fallacies are the cornorstones to magical thinking. (I appreciate your recent cites and posts on such.) And magical interpretations -- whether of experiences, scriptures or current events. Magical thinking (MT) takes one to the opposite cornor of What Is. MT may bring some feel-good comfort to the soul, and be the fuel for dreamers, but ultimately its illusion and delusion. Sorry, dude, I know you like to swing your intellectual dick and all, and I guess that's fun if you get off on that sort of thing, but all of this is starting to sound a lot like sour grapes to me. That is, I'm a little pissed off that others have had experiences I haven't, experiences that seem to push the envelope of 'rational thinking' and defy description in normal terms, so I'm going to declare anyone who can't describe his experiences in neat little boxes the way I like things described a 'dreamer' and lost in 'illusion.' Uptight people have been doing this to mystics as long as there have been mystics. Mystics have been laughing at the uptight people for pretty much the same length of time. :-) +++ Bingo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitve Biases and Logical Fallacies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause +++ In the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and natural cause otherwise what you see isn't happening. Like the rest of us, Mr. Kurtz can make observations that reflect his opinion and don't have great merit. N. If i understand your point correctly, the difference is between one person saying I heard a sound last night, and another saying It must be a ghost. +++ It's more like I wondered if something had a cause that couldn't be seen as scientific, would Mr Kurtz deny it happened. Maybe it's a case of believing is seeing as Yoda said. N. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, I agree with the general point that using words in discussions with others that have a perjorative connonation -- to them -- is not usually helpful to the tone and fruitfulness of the discussion. Often this occurs when there is not a common understanding of meaning. Reading your recent posts /cites from Kurtz helped me sharpen up my definition of magical thinking -- as I hope, perhaps naievly (that they read it), it has for others And I don't think the term is necessarily pejoritive when understood. Some ascribe to its merits and value, others do not. Its becomes a simple statement of fact about someones mode of inquiry for one who has an actual ignorance of the natural causes of events in question, ... the assumption that, in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause. ... These two factors in conjunction allow for the development of ad hoc explanations, often relying upon an assumption that correlation demonstrates causation. ... This magical thinking is certainly irrational, in that it deliberately bases conclusions upon a clear lack of demonstrable evidence and without regard for logical coherence or consistency. ... but why are people tempted to accept these stories? The explanation is twofold - first our innate creativity, and second our penchant for seeking patterns. Together, they can lead people to false beliefs. (Kurtz) There are those on this list that openly proclaim, or demonstrate a strong belief in via, their writings that: 1) correlation demonstrates causation 2) in the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and un-natural cause +++ In the absence of an obvious natural cause, there must be an unknown and natural cause otherwise what you see isn't happening. Like the rest of us, Mr. Kurtz can make observations that reflect his opinion and don't have great merit. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Intentionally Intending...'/'Be There Light'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Maybe the new people (the Indigoes) are coming in with this preinstalled on their hard drives ? N. St. Germaine's Message for June 11th... Keep the light on inside your heart, for this message comes to you for your growth as a light worker. Keeping at bay the darkness is a task each of you must take seriously as you depart old ways on Earth. Blessing all you have is a start to keep darkness from permeating the Light in your homes, other dwellings, offices or places of work, vehicles and other spaces of your choosing. Where do you frequent? Are you still afraid to go into any of those places? Are you afraid of someone or other hurting you psychically or physically there? Then you have cast your shadow of doubt or fear and projected the same onto those places. Try this instead. See the Triple Violet Flame near and in those places. Keep all spirits of unkindness from your dwellings, etc, by imagining the cool flame of violet color purging and clarifying those spirits from inside and being balanced as they were not before your vision. It assumes you wish to be purged yourself of all untoward thoughts of judgment and other unkindness. Pleasant thoughts accompany such a vision, and your Infinite Wisdom will grant you immunity from fear and its consequences with the Violet Flame. The transmutation of darkness to loving Light is a constant if you practice this simple vision. Take my hand as I explain the difference between darkness and Light. The former is not of the Light, and as such it takes energy from you to infuse the Light where it was not. As your intention drives Light into a space from which you viewed darkness (or otherwise sensed it) the darkness does not escape into thin air, so to speak. It is transformed into the Light of your intention. Keeping the Light on in your heart space will take the darkness to new heights of loving glory where it resides as Light forever. This you do with the intention of Love. Being in darkness for a while has strengthened you as an individual who is part of the Heavenly Whole. Your strength is called upon as you ask for the Violet Flame to be present in any circumstance. Its power is then used for telling the dark that it is no longer needed for your learning, and you take command of lessening the darkness on the planet for others to follow your example. Richness of Light ensues, and your space or dwelling is for a time blessed with total Light until you invade the space with chosen thoughts of darkness. Upon reentering your space, simply call upon the Violet Flame to transform the darkness to Light each time, until this becomes a habit. It pleases me to be of help to you on this matter. As told by kings and prophets, the Violet Flame is a balancing device of great power. It is the combination of the Great Blue Flame of the Father, and the Pink Crystalline Light of the Mother, which together makes the Violet Flame one of perfect balance. The off-balance nature of darkness is then balanced perfectly, rendering it powerless in the Light, and taking it to its rightful destination in the heavens. Blessing the dwellings has the power to change the internal structure of the walls, ceiling and floors. Take the moment to speak its name and the Violet Flame leaps to its duty to guard you with its immense power. It is yours to use anytime day or night, and command its friendship in any situation of fear. Please avail yourself of this monumental gesture of kindness from the Universe to your for your living well on the planet. Amen, and so it is. I AM ST. Germaine of the Violet Flame Brotherhood. All is well. Just Channelings http://groups.yahoo.com/group/justchannelings __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudrani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [[1. All what is that? 2. All this is what? and Nelson wrote [[And whose on third? [snip] relativly irrelevant to me.]] ** its all tit for tat! om ta-da!.. rudrani + This theory was disproved many years back by Tom, Tad, and Tat- (triplets). N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I *would like to try an experiment in compassion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP , but the average person is just a burro plodding through life without expanding their awareness, whether one uses drugs or not. SAYETH BOB THE SNOB + Even tho unremarkable, wouldnt every detail that you run into in life add to your data bank and so cause some change in your awareness? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terry Schaivo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nelson, any news from Mary that we don't get on TV? My opinion about this is that if I were in her situation, I would want to die. Time for a new body. But I wouldn't want to be starved and dehydrated to death. We wouldn't do that to the felons we execute. It's a crime to do that to a pet or farm animal. It seems cowardly to me, as if, our society feels that we avoid the guilt of killing her by passively letting her die. I say, if we're going to kill her, give her a lethal injection. + Either way, isn't killing someone who isn't guilty of anything called murder? With all the news outlets and people at ground zero there sending in email, there are a lot of posts to look thru and, I wish the information was more widely known. A recent poll showed a narrow margin of people favoring starvation which reflects media bias and ignorance- selected information, mis-information etc. For example, when they informed the girl about the feeding tube removal, she began to cry and wouldn't be calmed down for some time- a sub cortical reflex? bs. There is a lof of information that is covered up and, they are trying to get the girl covered up too otherwise, if she becomes able to talk or communicate, a lot of important people will go down and, being important, they are pulling some big strings. One investigative news site has hacked into and, a lot of the information disappeared and the site shut down- must have gotten too close to the facts. There are quite a few emails here I could send over if wanted to read some of the details. My wife is still down there and, with the adverse court ruling, might be there a while longer it looks like. She is the activist in the family but with all the news that has come out of the situation, I can't help being poed too. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terry Schaivo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: + This is one of many posts that I have here which would make one wonder what the vested interests and media are covering up. N. If you read this, I think you'll be surprised. I was. A Visit With Terri Schiavo Attorney Barbara Weller This past Christmas Eve day, 2004, I went to visit Terri Schiavo with her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, her sister, her niece, and Attorney David Gibbs III. The visit took place at the Woodside Hospice for about 45 minutes just before noon. When I knew I was going to visit Terri with her parents, I had no idea what to expect. I was prepared for the possibility that the Schindlers love their daughter and sister so much that they might imagine behaviors by Terri that aren't actually evident to others. The media and Mr. Schiavo clearly give the impression that Terri is in a coma or comatose state and engages only in non- purposeful and reflexive movements and responses. I am a mother and a grandmother, as well as one of the Schindlers' attorneys, and I could understand how parents might imagine behavior and purposeful activity that is not really there. I was prepared to be as objective as I could be during this visit and not to be disappointed at anything I saw or experienced. I was truly surprised at what I saw from the moment we entered the little room where Terri is confined. The room is a little wider than the width of two single beds and about as long as the average bedroom, with plenty of room for us to stand at the foot of her bed. Terri is on the first floor and there is a lovely view to the outside grounds of the facility. The room is entered by a short hallway, however, and there is no way for Terri to see out into the hallway or for anyone in the hallway to observe Terri. From the moment we entered the room, my impression was that Terri was very purposeful and interactive and she seemed very curious about the presence of obvious strangers in her room. Terri was not in bed, but was in her chair, which has a lounge chair appearance and elevates her head at about a 30-degree angle. She was dressed and washed, her hair combed, and she was covered with a holiday blanket. There were no tubes of any kind attached to her body. She was completely free of any restraints that would have indicated any type of artificial life support. Not even her feeding tube was attached and functioning when we entered, as she is not fed 24 hours a day. The thing that surprised me the most about Terri as I took my turn to greet her by the side of her chair was how beautiful she is. I would have expected to see someone with a sallow and gray complexion and a sick looking countenance. Instead, I saw a very pretty woman with a peaches and cream complexion and a lovely smile, which she even politely extended to me as I introduced myself to her. I was amazed that someone who had not been outside for so many years and who received such minimal health care could look so beautiful. She appeared to have an inner light radiating from her face. I was truly taken aback by her beauty, particularly under the adverse circumstances in which she has found herself for so many years. Terri's parents, sister, and niece went immediately to greet Terri when we entered the room and stood in turn directly beside her head, stroking her face, kissing her and talking quietly with her. When she heard their voices, and particularly her mother's voice, Terri instantly turned her head towards them and smiled. Terri established eye contact with her family, particularly with her mother, who spent the most time with her during our visit. It was obvious that she recognized the voices in the room with the exception of one. Although her mother was talking to her at the time, she obviously had heard a new voice and exhibited a curious demeanor. Attorney Gibbs was having a conversation near the door with Terri's sister. His voice is very deep and resonant and Terri obviously picked it up. Her eyes widened as if to say, What's that new sound I hear? She scanned the room with her eyes, even turning her head in his direction, until she found Attorney Gibbs and the location of the new voice and her eyes rested momentarily in his direction. She then returned to interacting with her mother. When her mother was close to her, Terri's whole face lit up. She smiled. She looked directly at her mother and she made all sorts of happy sounds. When her mother talked to her, Terri was quiet and obviously listening. When she stopped, Terri started vocalizing. The vocalizations seemed to be a pattern, not merely random or reflexive at all. There is definitely a pattern of Terri having a conversation with her mother as best she can manage. Initially, she used the vocalization
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terry Schaivo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/20/05 7:54:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One guy stated,the bible clearly says, 'thou shalt not kill'. Larry King said, Then you don't beleive in capital punishment? I couldn't believe it but the guy said that the bible also clearly states that man is given that responsibility (to kill) Gad, made no sense to me. It seems the bible can be quoted to say whatever the hell you want it to say. Clearly the difference is innocent life and life that is guilty of a heinous crime. The Torah, Bible, makes this distinction. The problem is that not everyone (including myself) believes the Bible to be the word of God. Even if everyone agreed that the bible was the word of god,it can be interpreted many ways. It is pretty funny to see all these hypocritical attitudes that give clauses and exceptions to the commandment thou shalt not kill. There is a difference in murder and allowing someone to die with dignity and grace. How can someone insist that another take some specific treatment to prolong their life? (including food) Who has that right? + From all the details about the case I have read, it looks like the girl expressed the desire to live. Refusing to feed her then is intentional killing-murder by judicial decree. The girl is guilty of no crime and has a death sentence- this is strictly BS. My wife has been down there for nearly a month now and, recently talked to a reporter from Holland who observed that,while euthanasia is legal in Holland, they would never allow a situation such as is occuring there. With the media what it is, most people are not in possesion of enough facts to qualify them to have an opinion on the case. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terry Schaivo - hypocrites
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: taken partially from other net postings: George W. Bush signed a law in Texas that expressly gave hospitals the right to remove life support if the patient could not pay and there was no hope of revival, regardless of the patient's family's wishes. It is called the Texas Futile Care Law. Under this law, a baby was removed from life support against his mother's wishes in Texas just this week. The tort reform law that is being pushed by Republicans would preclude malpractice claims like that which has paid for Terry Schiavo's care thus far. The bankruptcy bill passed by Republicans will make it very difficult for families who suffer a catastrophic illness like Terry Schiavo's because they will not be able to declare chapter 7 bankruptcy and get a fresh start when the gargantuan medical bills become overwhelming. The legal maneuverings being employed would be anathema to any true conservative who believes in small government, states rights and individual liberties. Contrary to other postings in this group, one does not need a written living will to have one's explicitly expressed wishes to die a dignified death carried out, which is why the courts have consistently ruled in favor of the husband and why extraordinary grandstanding by politicians is now being resorted to. + Some of the information would indicate she definitly wants to live and, even if not, how dignified is starving to death? If she is allowed to come out of it and explain that her husband was the cause of the problem in the first place, which looks obvious to me,I will be very tempted to make some very harsh comments on the subject. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Seattle Times As governor, Bush signed right-to-die law WASHINGTON The federal law that President Bush signed early yesterday in an effort to prolong Terri Schiavo's life appears to contradict a right-to-die law that he signed as Texas governor, prompting cries of hypocrisy from congressional Democrats and some bioethicists. In 1999, then-Gov. Bush signed the Advance Directives Act, which lets a patient's surrogate make life-ending decisions on his or her behalf. The measure also allows Texas hospitals to disconnect patients from life-sustaining systems if a physician, in consultation with a hospital bioethics committee, concludes that the patient's condition is hopeless. Bioethicists familiar with the Texas law said yesterday that if the Schiavo case had occurred in Texas, her husband would be the legal decision-maker and, because he and her doctors agreed that she had no hope of recovery, her feeding tube would be disconnected. While Congress and the White House were considering legislation in the Schiavo case, the Texas law faced its first high-profile test. With the permission of a judge, a Houston hospital cut off life support for a badly deformed 6-month-old baby last week against his mother's wishes after doctors determined that continuing life support would be futile. The baby died almost immediately. The mother down in Texas must be reading the Schiavo case and scratching her head, said Dr. Howard Brody, the director of Michigan State University's Center for Ethics and Humanities in the Life Sciences. This does appear to be a contradiction. + Definitely a contradiction- The case, being such a high profile one and putting so much pressure on, he had to bend the other way. It looks like a last gasp of the will of the people having some affect although I am not sure at this point it will be in time. The government used to be a reflection of the will of the people and by the people etc. but somewhere along the line it has become reversed. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The government used to be a reflection of the will of the people and by the people etc. but somewhere along the line it has become reversed. N. The government is still very, very much a reflection of the will of the people. Those people are called lobbyists. snip + Lobbyists are a product of big business to which peoples needs are only valid if they are profitable. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GM fails in UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The interesting thing about this article (from The Independent) is that it shows how different Europe and the US are on this issue. In the UK, the battle against GM food has been almost won; in the US, it's already lost. snip + They don't have the powerfull lobbies there that we do that are so well funded that they can get their agenda put in place even it is obviously harmfull- think tobbacco. When I was working in Ct, I saw containers being filled for shipment to Europe-- exporting cancer is big money. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The government used to be a reflection of the will of the people and by the people etc. but somewhere along the line it has become reversed. N. The government is still very, very much a reflection of the will of the people. Those people are called lobbyists. Then, the 60-70% of the American people, who agree with the husband in carrying out Terri's wish to die with dignity, should get better lobbyists. Alex There is no right to die with dignity, only the right to life. + How come we don't hear of even serial killers being starved to death? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/22/05 4:35 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right to life *includes* the right to die with dignity, or else everybody would be on machines until their bodies crumbled. Well, BushCo, the GOPers in Congress, Terri Schiavo's parents, and their supporters all disagree with you, because keeping Terri hooked up to artificial life support until her body crumbles is *exactly* what they are striving for. For crying out loud, the woman doesn't even have a cerebral cortex! It's a puddle of spinal fluid. Her higher brain functions are long gone. It would be interesting if those trying to keep her alive could experience for ten minutes what it's like to be her, then return to their normal states. I bet they'd all change their position on the matter. + Ok, I would bet that in being her, they would know that the problem was brought on by her husband choking her and breaking some bones and so her resolve to live and see it all brought to light has kept her going all this time. I have expierienced two cases where people decided it was enough and left the body which lasted only a few days before shutting down. If this girl wanted to die, she would be long gone now. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/22/05 8:08:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, why not let the parents assume guardianship, and care for her as they want? Who exactly is she a burden to - that she deserves to die. Do you really believe her husband genuinely cares for her? lurk I have to agree with this point of view. Obviously Michael has abandoned her and now has a common law wife with children, not exactly your devoted loving husband. Her family loves her and wants to take care of her. Michael should lose guardianship just on the basis that he has left her for another woman. That's what I can't figure out either. Why does this guy have such a hard-on about having her die? Other people are perfectly willing to take care of her. I guess legally he speaks for her, not her parents. -Peter + Hi Dr.P, If you have the time and could read some of the details that havent been too filtered by the media, you would figure it out easily. It seems quite likely (to me) that there are a lot of people involved with a lot to loose that cant afford to have this gal get the required therapy and start talking. Michael S has a web site you can find on Google- see what your opinion is on that. When I looked at it, it seemed to me(as a non-professional diagnosis) that this guy has a serious case of toys in the attic. Now they have made Tom Delay mad too and, I would guess he has a pretty big ego and will get on their case but chances of saving her are getting slimmer rapidly. Congress directed a federal judge, picked at random, to review the case from scratch. Oddly, the judge is from Florida and ,since it required only a matter of hours to review the many years of testimony, one might think it probable that he had the ruling figured out before he got there. There is so much BS surrounding this case as to be beyond belief- probably best not to get involved or you might end up with a case of aggrivated Poess extremis like I am commencing to have. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In or out redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/22/05 7:36 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/22/05 10:10 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a call too. I haven't called back yet. -Peter --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet I won't get one. I've been getting flak lately about my negative website (this one). More flak than usual? What's the beef? That I'm providing a forum for the expression of negativity and unwarranted criticism of Maharishi. + Some people's truth is other people's negativity- dont worry Rick we're with ya. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said before, NO ONE knows the whole story. except the right-wing religious freak propaganda mill where nelson gets all his information + That's a rather long name for it- probably should have shortened it to RWRFPM. Anyway, there are people there reporting what they are seeing with their own eyes and, I do know that two people can witness something and one will comment on it and, the other might deny it ever existed. They have that all down there, intimidation,payoffs,denials, good o'l boy networking etc. I think you are right in saying NO ONE knows the whole story and, with all the BS going on there, I seriously doubt the whole truth will ever come to light. thanks, N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/22/05 9:38:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does this guy have such a hard-on about having her die? What a low and sleezy way to talk. I see Dr. Pete is still sleezing around town. Pete hit the nail on the head! Michael Schiavo has been heard numerous times by Terri's care takers to make comments like when is she going to die! and When is that bitch going to die?One care taker said Michael had been in her room once with the door closed for twenty minutes and when he left she went in to check on her and Terri was in a cold sweet crying and upset and she found an empty insulin bottle hidden in the trash can and needle marks under Terri's breasts, arms and groin. The care taker checked Terri's blood sugar and it didn't even register it was so low. The care taker believed Michael was trying to induce a coma followed by death. Michael Schiavo is probably as much slime as Scott Peterson. + and the media would have you believe he is suffering. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Delay and Teri Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/23/05 3:58 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is an excellent question everybody that wants to kill Terri could ask themselves! Only thing is , I would have to qualify it with might restore her life. What if she is an immortal divine soul that cannot die, but is being held a prisoner her body? Which is exactly what she is and what is being done to her. There was a story in Autobiography of a Yogi where a deer in the ashram drank too much milk and was dying. Yogananda loved the deer so he was holding it in his lap, praying for it's life. The spirit of the deer spoke to him saying, Let me go. It's my time to go and you're holding me back. + I remember the deer story but, about the other what if, aren't we all essentially immortals who have chosen to be a prisoner in a body temporarily- feels obvious to me. I have been here before and, expect to be here again as I am enjoying it. When you get your act together, you can leave when you please- who is going to tell a soul what to do-Idoubt anyone on this plane. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's all good
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudrani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken wrote [[Over the years it's the ups and downs that have always gotten me. One second life sucks and then you judge that pretty much everything, too, sucks. But then, one things goes well and is good and all of a suddent ain't life grand! It swings in both directions. It's the middle ground I seek Asshopper!]] ** yup .. the pendalum swings .. its all good. sarva mangalam!.. rudrani + Did you notice the pendulum swinging wildly in large arcs doesent pass the center more than one ticking slowly - being mellow is much easier on the equipment. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ceasing Food and Fluid Can Be Painless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci- schaivodeath23mar23,0,3402521.story?coll=la-home-headlines Ceasing Food and Fluid Can Be Painless Concerns for Schiavo's comfort have galvanized the debate. But experts say dying of starvation and dehydration is a peaceful end for the ill. By Karen Kaplan and Rosie Mestel Times Staff Writers + What if they are not ill? Around here, you can see the vata types nearly go into shock if there is the possibility of having to miss a meal. These reporters should try going without food and water for a few weeks and then report back. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Terry Schaivo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/23/05 9:12:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doctors who think PVS is PVS = ? Doctors who think PVS is not PVS = ? Doctors who think PVS is PVS,and Teri is in PVS = ? Doctors who think PVS is not PVS,and Teri is therefore not in PVS =? Just curious. Whats the score? Too the best of my knowledge 4 doctors spoke before the court to influence his decision. I suppose each evaluated her although I think only for a maximum of 45 minutes and came to the conclusion she was PVS. The doctor that examined her for 10 hours says she is no worse than many cerebral palsy people that he has worked with and he is convinced he can rehabilitate her. Another thirty three doctors and Neurologists from major hospitals and universities around the country agree she is neither comatose nor PVS and can be rehabilitated. She deserves a chance. They believe the original four doctors have misdiagnosed her condition. + I believe three out of that four were paid for by the judge. In these times, you sort thru the expert witnesses till you find one to support your case. You get a lawyer that has a vested interest in the case and enough money and, you can get away with murder. Now, when you get judges with vested interests, any justice that occurs will be the result of uncontrolled or unforseen accidents. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Retirement Plan Offered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty cool looking mountains that have sprung up outside Boston. Earth changes, I guess. snip + Hey Rick, There is a big one just north of Hartford too that I used to go by frequently but it was really the landfill and was called Mount Trashmore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The indigo soul and the existential crisis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More at http://www.starchild.co.za/channel17.html#three Ok but how can I tell the difference between the upgrade and a stroke or heart attack? The Earth is fully anchored in her 5th Dimensional Matrix. The Planet is now ready to support humans with Sixth Dimensional Consciousness. Those of you who have decided to accept the upgrade at this time and become the first wave of Sixth Dimensional Humans, will probably have experienced some of the following symptoms: snip + It would be nice if this was the reality of it all as I was becoming apprehensive that all these symptoms meant that I am wearing out. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Indigo children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his epic poem, Savitri, Sri Aurobindo vividly describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth, as different from humans today as we have ever been to the evolutions that have preceded us: ...I saw them cross the twilight of an age, The sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn, Great creators with wide brows of calm, The massive barrier-breakers of the world, Laborers in the quarries of the gods The architects of immortality. Into the fallen human sphere they came, Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy, Lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul, Feet echoing in the corridors of Time. High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might, and bliss; Discoverers of beauty's sunlit ways Their tread one day shall change the suffering earth And justify the light on Nature's face. (Savitri, pp. 3434) Sri Aurobindo seemed to indicate that a new genus or species is emerging among us. We have a ways to go before this will happen, however. He saw that there would have to be a transitional species before the true supramental species was able to enter the rarefied realms of a purified Earth. He saw that each successive generation would carry this evolutionary potential further, and that we would develop through the human human stage up to the overhuman stage before the supramental being could be anchored into the true physical realm of fourth dimensional matter. + Thanks, Reverberations touching the strings of the heart to bring tears to an old mans eyes. I have written similar things too and, have a feeling for them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talk of the Nation: persistent vegetative states, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NPR's Talk of the Nation Science Friday will discuss the clinical issues currently under debate in the Schiavo casepersistent vegetative states and minimal consciousness at 1 pm today FF time. The program will also be available in the archive at NPR.org if you would like to hear it but read this too late or have conflicting plans. L B S + At this point it doesn't make much difference as the judge ruled that the girl is in PVS from experts testimony which carries more weight than the girl sying she wanted the live. I wonder how this will affect the tourist and retirement industry' Picture the brochures saying come to sunny Florida, we can make you forget all your problems in less than two weeks They might get some competion from North Dakota however as there, they could leave them outside over nite- I hear freezing to death isnt bad either- just blissfully go to sleep. What BS To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/26/05 4:25:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead of serving to protect the assets of incapacitated persons, the existing guardianship system presents the opportunity for unscrupulous guardians to loot the assets of their wards and enrich themselves with impunity. ˜ New York Grand Jury I listened to Terri's father say last night that Michael Schiavo has now spent about 600,000.00 of the million dollars awarded in malpractice to take care of Terri, on his attorney, to have her killed instead of using it for her rehabilitation over the years. Maybe Terri will rest easier if she knows Michael ends up broke. By the way Nelson I guess you saw where Michael's attorney contributed to Judge George Greer's re-election the day after Terri's law was declared unconstitutional. Right- I guess it must be good business to keep their payments up to date. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the absence of facts and common sense, make up a rightwing nutter conspiracy theory snip + Iam sorry you seem to have the same problem as the judge in the case. He does not look for or see the evidence in the case but then, he is legally blind. N To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I saw the Cooper show last night.The guardian said he thought that the rift between Michael and the parents may have ocurred at a time when Michael accepted what all the doctors had been saying, that Terri was brain dead, The problem is that she is not brain dead, she's only partially brain dead. Her cerebral cortex is mostly dead from lack of oxygen 15 years ago. Her hindbrain and probably part of her midbrain are keeping her body alive. So she, most likely, has no cognitive or emotional experience. To me, this is no reason to kill her though. If someone wants to keep her alive, why not let them. Is a lack of cognitive or emotional experience justification for keeping a person on artificial life-support against that person's previously expressed wish to not be kept alive in such a manner? Is the sanctity of marriage only valid when Tom Delay says so? Is signing a living will a tremendously good idea? Have you signed yours? Alex + The persons previously expressed wish in this case looks like hearsay evidence with the strong possibility of being BS. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GROUP PRAYER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Innocent . Lets just pray now for the righteous most evolutionary blessed thing for Teri and all involved. It takes 30 seconds of egolessness and heart value to do this. And no fear. How many here found themselves capabable of this? Please put your hands up. + DO i recall correctly that it was said that culturing the heart was the last stroke to enlightenment? It would seem, from some of the posts lately, that some of us are still a few strokes away. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri Schiavo morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't suffer. That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a person starves to death. + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she wasn't starving. N. She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex died from lack of oxygen. + Right, that is what you are supposed to believe-no problem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Yahoo Format
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone else bothered by this new format. Kinda like someone taking an academic approach which is often not the way most people think and do things. This reverse flow deal seems stupid, or maybe I am just too averse to change. (which I am) lurk The previous post is after the next one? I asked about that but, havent heard anything yet. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not an initiator, having only completed phase I of TM teacher training, but on the basis of my 37 years of TM practice, I see this latest announcement as just another unworkable plan that will be chucked after a few months (not that it makes a lot of difference anyway, given the low initiation rate in the U.S.). When MMY said at a press conference a couple years ago that he did not mind if renegade TM teachers taught outside the TM bureaucracy as long as they did it in the prescribed way, it created a problem for the TM movement: how to deal with people who have been taught authentic TM, but whose starting was not accepted by the TM bureaucracy for purposes of checking or attending courses, etc? This announcement that only re- certified teachers can teach is an attempt to re-gain control over the brand, but it won't work, because there is not enough revenue to support full-time teachers, and because there will only be a few full- time teachers, doing checking of meditation for people who live outside of the few cities where the full-time teachers are will be a logistical nightmare, and so on... I predict a life-span of about 3 months for this pronouncement -- maybe it will disappear in July when the Sat Yuga starts!! snip One factor that will decide the survivability of this new slimmed and more dedicated scheme is what it will cost to learn to meditate with these new technologies. What if the price tag is set really low? MMY might prove able to revitalize the movement whilst ditching a serious amount of dead unmotivated ungrateful whining meat? I think this wonderful attempt to create something radically new deserves unflagging support and praise. If you're an old time TM-teacher and not prepared to sign up for 2K/month - enjoy your retirement! I was asking what the insurance coverage and retirement benefits were for the new setup- probably like the old ones were? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the happy talk about the pundits in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/28/05 12:04 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin may be deriving some sincerity from the wish expressed that the yagyas being performed by the pundits in India will make it possible for the 500 pundits to somehow get permission to come to the USA, but as it stands right now, the U.S. State Dept. has rejected 1000 applicants from the pool of pundit snip ++ It is a nice housing project(double wide city) and it could become valuable as housing for the homeless when all the longtime, dedicated people retire. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Essence of Yoga in Bhagavat Gita as Archaic Tamil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but cooking a small fish. that's very difficult. That's why I'm lazy and often use canned Alaskan salmon. Like today's veggie salmon hash of julienned red beet and carrot, asparagus, onion, and a can of salmon, flavored with grated fresh ginger, garlic, salt to taste, and a splash of mirin, served over a bed of romaine tossed with fresh lemon juice. Alex This is lazy? You don't know from lazy I warmed a can of hash (corned beef) in the can, eat out of can, no dishes-- Wife still in Florida. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: southern entrances (was MUM south entrance poster)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/29/05 7:27 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They forgot to leave off the poster that all (or at least a lot of) the businesses that were vastly successful when they weren't in buildings with southern entrances, except maybe by accident, all went out of business once they built and moved into buildings with southern entrances. kh Did you mean to say: They forgot to leave off the poster that all (or at least a lot of) the businesses that were vastly successful when they weren't in buildings with east entrances, except maybe by accident, all went out of business once they built and moved into buildings with east entrances. Is this subject like some of the others in that if you believe it, you are stuck with it? Aren't we entities of such power essentially that most of this stuff should be meaningful only to those who give their power up without thinking? I had a little repair shop back east with two south doors' this business went for a little over twenty five years and, People used to stop in on their way home to unwind and visit quite often and, now and then, someone would stop in during the day when they were stressed and,shortly, they would be mellowed out and go on their way. They were mostly real people (no phonies) and, contributed to the atmosphere. The point being, I think, the people should be responsible and not leave it up to the building. N. generally things were good. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics and the World Crisis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Vaj writes: How come MMY doesn't talk ethics? my guess at maharishi's thinking: (please dont shoot the messenger!) without regular transcending, all attempts at ethical consideration is only mood-making at best, for it has no basis. however, if you practise transcending regularly, all things including spontaneous right action will follow, automatically and effortlessly. therefore, *talking* about ethics would be a waste of time. unfortunately, this logic has been mis-used as an *excuse* by some TM people, who basically have no moral sense to start with! I enjoyed the dont be judgemental idea, Looks like a lot of people dont have any anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to know what the future will look like..? http://www.matrixinstitute.com/futuremap.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better come to Iowa. We're far from the oceans and we've got corn aplenty. However, some authorities say it doesn't look so good for the Mississippi valley, either. Pretty close to sea level, you know. L B S On the basis of the number of times the end of the world has been predicted, do we know how much we should worry? N. snip to end To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Johny Bob, I'm surprised by your negativity towards the rectification course, you would probably call it 'being realistic' or such. but know one thing , if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin with. cheer up ** The recert program will fail, without question, as has almost every effort undertaken by the TMO, because of poor planning and failure to consult with level-headed consultants outside of the TM movement as a reality check. Bob The plan will succeed because the plan is to have a new series of programs who's purpose is to squeeze a few more $ out of what is left of the tiny core of cult wackos. This is all that is going on. Business as usual. First go for the million $ wack jobs now a round for the K-mart shoppers. It's ingenious they have actually figured out how to 'pillage and plunder' (make money) while seeming disempowering everyone AND (almost ) making them feel good about it! While everything is moved to India. 10 years ago I thought that the fragmentation of the knowlege behind TM (Deepak, Pundiji et all) was a bad thing ... now it may work out to be the key to it's survival. JohnY On a slightly different angle,it looks like there is a similarity between people saying that you are a sinner and we will save you and,people saying you arent enlightened and we will show you the way. Seeing that both are inevitable will save a lot of BS N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hot off the presses: Polar Dreams is going shutting down. Employed about 35 people here and thousands in China. Has the world¹s largest SV building there as part of the company complex a little town actually. ** Does Michael Borden, designer of Polar Dream's SV complex in China, kick back to MSV? If not, maybe that's why the vastu was cursed!!! (just kidding, folks) http://www.vastu-design.com/resume.htm Michael is building on the next lot north of me here in the county so I could ask him? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brokeback Mountain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/24/06 6:53:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't understand why the Christians are so upset about Brokeback Mountain. To me it shows the misery and destruction that homosexual acts can cause. Those guys would have been better off had they never done it. They might possibly have been happily married. They gave in to a perverse urge and look where it got them -- walking the road to hell. Are the Christians really that upset with it? I know they aren't going to *indorse* the movie, but it's not like printing a cartoon of Mohamed. I think the negativity about the movie is one of just repulsiveness at the thought of men having sex with other men and seeing on the big screen. Kind of makes me want to throw up. +++ They are upset-have seen a lot of mail on it and also the davinci code. I have to wonder if a ten plus hours a day job was required for survival there would time for all the BS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chandlers Wobble?
Been contemplating the wobble story that was posted a while back and wonder if there was any more thought on it. If it turned out that it could caause a pole shift, shouldnt all the vastu correct people be getting prepared to get upset? And with that, would the sun come up in the east if the east wasn't in the east any longer? Should we worry a little or is it another Y2K farce? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chandlers Wobble?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Nelson wrote: Been contemplating the wobble story that was posted a while back and wonder if there was any more thought on it. If it turned out that it could caause a pole shift, shouldnt all the vastu correct people be getting prepared to get upset? And with that, would the sun come up in the east if the east wasn't in the east any longer? Should we worry a little or is it another Y2K farce? N. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Wobble ++ And I thought we were going to have a little excitement. Maybe the ice caps melting a little more will do it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be understood by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those few to manipulate others. :-) +++ Seems to be some similarity in, You are not enlightened -we will enlighten you. You are all sinners, - we will save you. You are in danger from terrorists - we will protect you. The first two say send money whereas the last says pay your taxes or else. It looks like all have the common denominator of we know what is best for you and, if you stop thinking (which is recommended) it is all for the best. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be understood by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those few to manipulate others. :-) +++ Seems to be some similarity in, You are not enlightened -we will enlighten you. You are all sinners, - we will save you. You are in danger from terrorists - we will protect you. The first two say send money whereas the last says pay your taxes or else. It looks like all have the common denominator of we know what is best for you and, if you stop thinking (which is recommended) it is all for the best. N. Of course, it could also be the case that--given that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness (which Barry has repeatedly insisted on)-- something composed by someone in a different state of consciousness than the person reading or hearing it would *not* be comprehensible to the latter, no matter how hard they think. +++Shouldn't everyone be free to live in their chosen level of conciousness? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/1/06 5:37:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures at the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E. 78th Street in Manhattan. In those brochures it said we would be enlightened in 5-7 years. I remember planning my getting enlightened out and telling friends how great it would be to be in Cosmic Consciousness at age 26, God Consciousness at age 27, and finally Unity Consciousness at age 28. Thats how it was outlined in the brochure, CC in 5 years, another year for GC, then one final year for UC. Here it is almost 37 years later, HA! I remember that brochure! Sure kept a lot of people meditating with enthusiasm for 7 years. Then the next thing was an age of enlightenment course and then a sidhi course and that would do the trick! Well then we needed Ayurveda and that would do it, then Yagyas and gemstones, then correct vastu and now a million dollars. These are all carrots dangled in front of your nose to keep you doing your program in hopes it's just around the corner and now you have too much invested in it to give up now. +++ A former center chairman (TB) was in my shop last fall and I asked him if one became enlightened after exhausting all his finances or after sufficient abuse and he said that it might happen simultaneously. Maybe that would be an indicator? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Of course, it could also be the case that--given that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness (which Barry has repeatedly insisted on)-- something composed by someone in a different state of consciousness than the person reading or hearing it would *not* be comprehensible to the latter, no matter how hard they think. +++Shouldn't everyone be free to live in their chosen level of conciousness? N. ??? Did I suggest otherwise? Of course, if Maharishi is correct about thelong-term outcome of the Maharishi Effect, people are NOT free to live at a chosen level of consciousness (whatever that means). Either they grow or they move on to less-green pastures. +++ Rather than a level, I should have said rate of evolving. Everyone seems to be in a frantic race to be enlightened but, I think it is easier to enjoy and let it go easily. I am quite busy enjoying work and life so enlightenment can wait. Traffic lights are usually green when I get there and when I need to see someone, they usually turn up on time etc. The jet plane analogy is ok for some but I am enjoying the detail found in travelling slowly. If you skip a grade in school, you don't get to see life from that pov. Enlightenment, which seems to me inevitable, shouldn't be the basis of endless debate and, stress. Being essentially eternal, we worry about a timetable? Ha. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6 months to the big E - not life times
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: A TM-teacher once said that MMY had said that the TM-Sidhi programme is so effective that even a horse could become enlightened if rounding with for six months. When I first learned TM back in 1969, they had these yellow brochures at the combined SIMS/SRM center located, I think, at 123 E. 78th Street in Manhattan. In those brochures it said we would be enlightened in 5-7 years. I remember planning my getting enlightened out and telling friends how great it would be to be in Cosmic Consciousness at age 26, God Consciousness at age 27, and finally Unity Consciousness at age 28. Thats how it was outlined in the brochure, CC in 5 years, another year for GC, then one final year for UC. Here it is almost 37 years later, HA! The problem is not with the TMO but with you. Did you *save* your brochure and your initial receipt? You have to present both at the doorway to enlightenment to reach CC or any of the other states. No brochure and receipt, no guarantee. It's just like the guarantee on a toaster. :-) +++ Maybe, already being enlightened, you wouldn't notice much change? With so many different definitions how can you be sure? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Raja course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/3/06 4:52 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Not Rajinis? :) It would be Ranis of course. Sal Sunshine wrote: Sure--Rajettes. Sal On Mar 3, 2006, at 12:14 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: Did they ever come up with a name, I mean something nice, for the wives of the Rajas? I think the Rani of San Francisco should be called Rajaroni, the San Francisco Treat Recertified riceroni? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Basically, I still have enough residual trust in the courts of America to hope that the TMO will *lose* this case, and big-time. (*Especially* if Jim's lawyers are smart enough to show the judges photos of the Rajas in their robes and crowns.) Has mike waived his right to a jury trial? It may not be up to him. Many states reserve the right to try non-criminal civil cases before a single judge or a panel of judges. Just curious. What states are those? Is Florida?among them. If so does the exclusion of civil case jury trials apply to trademark cases? In civil cases in state court, the right to a jury trial is governed by the state's constitution and statutes. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the Seventh Amendment right to a jury trial applies only to federal courts, not to state courts. As a practical matter, though, most states make jury trials widely available for many kinds of civil cases above the level of small claims court. snip +++ If the case is in a Florida court, the outcome would likely be unpredictable due to the many possible influences there. Recall the vote counting situation some years back when the president was appointed. Last year, a court there handed down a decision that sentenced a person to death by starvation and dehydration. And, if the LR Hubbard people get involved, it will go their way as they run part of Florida. With all the various agendas there, it should be interesting. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Basically, I still have enough residual trust in the courts of America to hope that the TMO will *lose* this case, and big-time. (*Especially* if Jim's lawyers are smart enough to show the judges photos of the Rajas in their robes and crowns.) Has mike waived his right to a jury trial? It may not be up to him. Many states reserve the right to try non-criminal civil cases before a single judge or a panel of judges. Just curious. What states are those? Is Florida?among them. If so does the exclusion of civil case jury trials apply to trademark cases? In civil cases in state court, the right to a jury trial is governed by the state's constitution and statutes. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the Seventh Amendment right to a jury trial applies only to federal courts, not to state courts. As a practical matter, though, most states make jury trials widely available for many kinds of civil cases above the level of small claims court. snip +++ If the case is in a Florida court, the outcome would likely be unpredictable due to the many possible influences there. Recall the vote counting situation some years back when the president was appointed. Last year, a court there handed down a decision that sentenced a person to death by starvation and dehydration. And, if the LR Hubbard people get involved, it will go their way as they run part of Florida. Now, this last comment really sparked my interest. Pray tell, what's that all about? +++ Major scientology center there- responsible for a lot of bizarre stuff. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: Hey Turquioise - what a great idea! I do it in another way. Saying in my Advertisements that I teach techniques in Stress Release and that I have been a Teacher in Transcendental Meditation since 1975. No one can stop me from telling a big part of my life. But in Norway it is easier, because The TMO has been denied to trademark Transcendental Meditation and I have bought a domene with transcendentalmeditation. But if Mike lose, it is a lot of ways to tell people what you are teaching. You gave me some creative ideas here. Ingegerd Was that a typo Indegerd? What is domene with transcendentalmeditation? What is domene? I do not know in English - domain maybe? It means that I bought a place in Internet: www.transcendentalmeditation.no. I also Trademark the former name of the TMO in Norway, MIKI Norge, when I started to be threaten by the TMO. All the books edited from the TMO, is referring to MIKI Norge. Ingegerd +++ If I could do as well with a second language,I would be quite pleased. You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with English, I would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a myth. They are all about equal difficulty as far as learning goes, or else kids born in the languages that are supposed to be easier would start speaking at earlier ages, which of course they don't. (Of course, the elitist response to that would be that they just have dumber kids in those countries.) Sal On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Nelson wrote: You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with English, I would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn. Wouldn't learning a second language as an adult be more difficult with already having one to trip over? I never noticed English being difficult but I would think that looking at it from the outside, it would be a challenge. I would not like to have to learn Russian or Chineese for example. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, including French, Spanish, German, etc. Ethnocentricity, Barry. Because *we* speak it, it msut be the hardest to learn. (Psst--lots of others pretty much feel the same way.) Hey, I'm still struggling with French, and French is *much* more internally consistent (and thus easier to learn) than is English. English is all over the map; at least French *mainly* makes sense. Except for the gender of nouns thang, that is. It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in one or already learned one that was similar. Then the others in that group most likely would be easier. Good luck learning Basque. It doesn't *have* a group. :-) +++ Maybe Romanisch? Didn't think French was all that bad altho I got poor marks in it in school. Maybe it could help that some ancestors spoke nothing but? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Wouldn't learning a second language as an adult be more difficult with already having one to trip over? I never noticed English being difficult but I would think that looking at it from the outside, it would be a challenge. I would not like to have to learn Russian or Chineese for example. N. Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far easier language to learn than English. Talk about consistent...once you've learned the alphabet (which is just Greek with a few extra letters) and the basic verb endings and inflected noun endings, it's pretty much a snap. Or was. It was a long time ago that I studied Russian. +++ Would you think that one learning Russian could eventually pronounce it well enough to pass as a native? One person that I met (Polish native) said there were some words in their language that would seperate non natives from natives. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, including French, Spanish, German, etc. Ethnocentricity, Barry. Because *we* speak it, it msut be the hardest to learn. (Psst--lots of others pretty much feel the same way.) Hey, I'm still struggling with French, and French is *much* more internally consistent (and thus easier to learn) than is English. English is all over the map; at least French *mainly* makes sense. Except for the gender of nouns thang, that is. It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in one or already learned one that was similar. Then the others in that group most likely would be easier. Good luck learning Basque. It doesn't *have* a group. :-) +++ Maybe Romanisch? Actually, from what I've heard from linguists, Romany (Gypsy) has a great number of languages in its family; it has been described as a blend of many different languages. That's cer- tainly the way it sounds to me. But Basque remains linguistically pretty much a mystery; it doesn't seem to have any clear relationship to other languages on this rock. +++ Atlantean expatriates? (only if you believe the premise) Didn't remember the Basque language mystery- thanks. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There are some words in Russian that, when spoken *by* natives, would bag people as being from a certain province, and having grown up there in a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the same was true about American English at one point. but much of that has been worn away by how much Americans move around from state to state. I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I think they were police) could identify where a person was from by having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker was from. I can't remember whether it was because the speaker was reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had amnesia. There was a guy on Johnny Carson many, many years ago who had a similar talent. If you grew up East of the Mississippi, he could give you a list of 50 words to pronounce and then tell you where you were from, within a distance of 100 miles or so. Even at the time (and this was decades ago) he said that it didn't work for people from the West because they moved around too much. I would suspect that these days he wouldn't be able to do it with East coasters, either. I've tried to find out if there is a science or hobby in which people do such a thing...and I've tried googling but can't come up with anything. Anyone know what such a thing would be called? Accent identification? Region identification through accents? +++ Looks like a hobby for some maybe like trivia collecting. Once, in the army,a training instructor observed that I had travelled around some but had to be a NewEnglander. In fairfield, I try to talk a little slower and use local expressions and am amused with the natives telling me how wierd the roos are. Maybe you could start a new field of research- Regional syntax ID INC Sounds like a niche business- probably get rich. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get what you pay for; that is the Law of Karma. So why is this? Why do most of the people in the West want knowledge from the wrong motive, and get only cheats as gurus? Why? Because most Westerners are asuras at heart. All the celestials, including the asuras, have to go somewhere when they fall down to earth. Many of the asuras--who are very fond of indulging themselves with meat, alcohol and sex, remember--have been born in the West, where they continue to indulge themselves. Occasionally one of them wakes up, a little; but because asuras are egotistical they conclude, as soon as they learn a little, that they know everything. Almost as soon as they learn how to meditate they start calling themselves gurus. But what do they really know of Indian wisdom? Nothing! They are still just probing our spirituality now. They will be learning spiritual things from us for the next 500 years. Even the dog of one of our Rishis could teach them for one hundred years and still have more to teach. Westerners are so far behind us in spirituality that to shine out among them is nothing. It is child's play for our so-called swamis to go abroad and try to impress all the monkeys over there with their so-called knowledge. I can tell you one thing: A real guru will come to the Westerners only when they decide that they are ready for real knowledge, and they invite Shukracharya [rishi and guru of the demons]... ...They won't need to search for him; when they are sincerely ready he will appear. They are his disciples, he is responsible for them. It is a great blessing to be guru or king to a bunch of asuras, because you are in a position to improve them. Unfortunately they tend to fall back into their old habits very easily, since their innate natures cannot change. Even Shukracharya tires of them now and again. I call people asuras when even though they have the desire for sadhana they cannot seem to follow the basic rules of discipline. I am willing to try to help such people out, but most of them are by no means ready for spirituality yet and I grow tired, of them too. from Karma by Robert Svoboda detailing a conversation between the Aghori Vimalananda And Robert Svoboda +++ I grow tired of the sages that have a problem with the west. They should be greatfull the west is here otherwise I would be incarnated there and eating the sacred cows and disagreeing with them in general and telling them to get a job. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to make a similar comment, but couldn't come up with anything nearly as good as spiritually elitist ego chow, so I passed. :-) I was just going to say dittos, but I thought that might produce a strokes. :-) JohnY +++ someone should point out that the west was started after the powers that be discovered that the east was a bust and, started over. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: The trends of time are being changed; Kali herself is being challenged! I wonder why in the Hindu beliefsystems the pathologies of the present world are seen as female energies? A big Right on, sistah from this guy!!! I personally see the problems being more in patriarchal male energies that are very much addicted to power, money and control over others, especially over women. Absolutely. The biggest drug problem facing the world today is not cocaine or heroin, but testosterone. That's right, and, the problem is in the shortage. Real men have a different outlook in that women are respected and should be cared for and protected. Today, not knowing what their identity is, they need someone that is easily abused. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrsatva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/7/06 3:55:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, mrsatva@ writes: Lissening to MMY tapes I had a different idear about it. MrSatva: may I ask: what country are you from and what is your mother tongue? germany/german Not bad MrSatva! You spell like most people pronounce. Maeby not the best way doing it, but it works (most of the times). +++ Das ist prima mein herr Satva. Seeing the rest of us trying to write German would probably cause hysterics on your part. N. (eine dummer) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Art?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? When asked once about a useful, workable definition for art Michael Peter Cain offered the following: Art is that thing in human consciousness that resists explanation. When we start to define it, it moves and becomes something else. Today perhpas heÕs moved on to a different idea. Anyone close enough to ask? I believe he in in India now but I could ask for an update. He comes into my shop now and then for some help on some of his art projects. We don't agree on what art is as I would call a shiny new Kenworth truck art but we still get on well. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION Total snip, Realizing that one is essentailly a facet of eternal oneness, should we see duality as a problem and, not enjoy it? Most people agree that a movie is not a reality but still enjoy it. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Art?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: We don't agree on what art is as I would call a shiny new Kenworth truck art but we still get on well. N. Fits with the definition -- it moves when you try to define it. :-) I saw a couple of pieces of movable art just yesterday, a gorgeous Ducati motorcycle and a Ferrari Testarossa. They move, too...and quickly. +++ Back East, at my shop in Ct., a local lad would sometimes come in with his Ferrari daytona- they do make some fine hardware. Ah, the Daytona. On my siddhis course, I had the opportunity to buy one, for only 10K. It was a burn job, and would have required 20K worth of repair just to be driveable, but I was a full- time TM teacher, so 10K was as unreachable as a million for me. I got back to southern Calif- ornia and found them selling for 150K. Last of the big V12s, a body design to die for, and an exhaust sound that was art in itself. Sigh. +++ When he would leave the shop and get a bit further from the houses and put his foot in it, it sounded like the rpm doubled- beautiful. Once, he came in with another one that he was doing some work on and it had the the drivers name over the door- Paul Neuman, that had to be different. Another man in town did a lot with Panteras- paint, repairs etc. so there were quite a few out of the ordinary things to be seen. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? I recall reading somewhere that he said that he was evolving which would mean not so much making mistakes as doing things differently. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: It is just the observation that evolving in nature happens through errors and in animals also by avoiding the mistakes and as even in a more advanced form humans can sometimes also learn from mistakes. I consider the manifest creation to be expression of God or one aspect of God. Ah, a Creator God. Yeah, they screw up all the time, esp. at the start. :-) LOL. Being essentially a Buddhist w.r.t. to creation (that is, believing that there never *was* one, and that the universe has always been, is now, and will always be) I've always been interested in how much of theology seems to be based on linear thinking. If one begins with the assumption that there was a creation (a start), and that things evolve towards dissolution (an end), then the need to posulate a Creator intellectually arises. If you further assume that there have been multiple creations, with a 'gap' between the dissolution of one and the creation of the next, *again* the need to postulate a Creator arises. (Because if the 'next' creation actually is 'created,' then some Creator energy or intelligence must have been present during the 'gap' between creations to create the next one. On the other hand, if one starts with the assumption that the universe is eternal, and that there has never been a moment in which it was not manifest, and never will be, then there is no intellectual need to postu- ate a Creator. The need for a Creator is very much dependent on the assumption that there was once a creation. +++ Did you read the greatest miracle by Og Mandino? In it was a memorandom from God which contained quite a bit of information on this latest creation. Believing or not is a choice sometimes and, I enjoyed the story. N Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? On the basis of this is of course gnostic thinking (Freemasonree, Rosecrucians). The basic idea behind it, is that creation is like a prison. I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism, possibly even the Upanishads, who say, that the Gods keep man like cattle. In Tantra there is a term calling it the 'original ignorance' Why would ignorance be there at the first place, if the creation was perfect, just as it is? Maybe this is made up by those who want to free you from ignorance and charge you for it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? On the basis of this is of course gnostic thinking (Freemasonree, Rosecrucians). The basic idea behind it, is that creation is like a prison. Depends entirely on the flavor of gnosticism. Some flavors believe that creation wasn't created by God but by the other guy (Satan, the demiurge). I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life is suffering, but that's not related in any way to God, since they don't believe in one. Curious- where did the suffering idea come from? Suffering for some is a challenge for others. sounds like they had a poor attitude. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? I recall reading somewhere that he said that he was evolving which would mean not so much making mistakes as doing things differently. N. Evolving toward what? He didn't say but I would guess that being at level, he would be pretty well qualified to decide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? On the basis of this is of course gnostic thinking (Freemasonree, Rosecrucians). The basic idea behind it, is that creation is like a prison. Depends entirely on the flavor of gnosticism. Some flavors believe that creation wasn't created by God but by the other guy (Satan, the demiurge). I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life is suffering, but that's not related in any way to God, since they don't believe in one. To say life is suffering implies there is something-- a condition or state--that is *not* suffering. If suffering is said to be a lack, there is something-- a condition or state--in which nothing is lacking. What is it? ++ State of mind? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? I recall reading somewhere that he said that he was evolving which would mean not so much making mistakes as doing things differently. N. Evolving toward what? He didn't say but I would guess that being at level, he would be pretty well qualified to decide. If he recognizes that ultimate toward which he is evolving, such that he can see that something he did was a mistake, or that he needed to do things differently, what is the nature of that ultimate? If what we're calling God is not the ultimate, what is? +++Whatever you are seeking, possibly the same. Maybe the ultimate is upgraded from time to time-infinity plus one you know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: snip Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? I recall reading somewhere that he said that he was evolving which would mean not so much making mistakes as doing things differently. N. Evolving toward what? He didn't say but I would guess that being at level, he would be pretty well qualified to decide. If he recognizes that ultimate toward which he is evolving, such that he can see that something he did was a mistake, or that he needed to do things differently, what is the nature of that ultimate? If what we're calling God is not the ultimate, what is? +++Whatever you are seeking, possibly the same. Maybe the ultimate is upgraded from time to time-infinity plus one you know. Nyah, Aleph[i+1]. Aleph[0] is the level of infinitity that the countable numbers possess: 1, 2, 3, . It is the smallest infinity. Aleph[1] is the level of infinity found when you combine all the numbers of the countable infinity in every possible combination, also called the Power Set P(Aleph[0]). Aleph[i+1] is the Power Set: P(Aleph[i]). Aleph[i+2] is the Power Set of the Power Set: P(P(Aleph[i])). Aleph[R] is the level of infinitity of the real number line. It may or may not fit in with the series given above, but by Cantor's Transfinite Arithmatic, P(Aleph[0]) P(Aleph[R]) P(P(Aleph[R])). Cantor, by the way, died in an insane asylum, but his Transfinite Arithmatic is considered one of the most important advances in mathematics in history. +++ Looks like I have gotten into the realm of the square root of minus one... Did not know about Cantor- thanks. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there is a big confusion of what evolution actually means. Here some biological definitions: Evolution: The long-term process through which a population of organisms accumulates genetic changes that enable its members to successfully adapt to environmental conditions and to better exploit food resources. www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/WWC/1994/glossary.html The change in life over time by adaptation, variation, over-reproduction, and differential survival/reproduction, a process referred to by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace as natural selection. http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookglossE.html In this sense evolution is not the development to a certain pre-existent goal, but rather the successful adaptaion to a given environment by a certain organism. Thhis is what trial and error and natural selection is all about. This makes the idea of an evolving Creator-God fairly upsurd: How could a Creator adapt to an environment, he has created himself? It is even more absurd if you assume an all-knowing God going through trial and error. Pretty much trial and error can be done by machines, and doesn't require a creator at all. That is why evolution, the theory of natural selection is so much opposed by the creationists. Now one can of course try to transfer the idea of evolution to a sort of teleological argument, and that is what many New Agers do. There is a goal, a pre-existent ideal to which nature develops. But if God himself develops, who established the ideal, was it already there or did he create it? And if he created the ideal, why didn't s/he create the ideal creation right away? I think one gets into a big muddle if one tries to combine evolutionary theories which really don't need any God (like trial and error) with creationist ideas. Why should a God evolve, unless he has fallen, and is now involved in his own creation? Of course one could argue, we are all God, and we are all evolving to finally realize this potential of ours. Otherwise its a really absurd idea, with the sort of populistic appeal, the same as that we are all co-creators. It just makes some people feel more important. +++ Haven't you observed that you do some creating yourself? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6K hog lot on Jeff County borderline
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_069231917.html Here's a new kind of farm that people might like: wind farms. Upstate New York Farms Begin Raising New Crop: Electricity From Windmills By ANTHONY DePALMA Published: March 13, 2006 LOWVILLE, N.Y. William and Patricia Burke have lived in their white Colonial-style farmhouse on the edge of the Tug Hill plateau for 36 years. And for 35 of those years they have cursed the winter wind as it whistled through every crack and hole in the house. But this season they welcome the sound of the wind, because it represents their newfound security. (photo caption) Maple Ridge, which has 120 windmills, is the largest alternative-energy project east of the Mississippi. (photo caption) William and Patricia Burke agreed to have seven 320-foot-tall windmills built on their 600-acre farm. http://tinyurl.com/m3ohm I have a homeowner sized one running here and,am really enjoying it. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
