RE: Please pray for Lucy
Sending big hugs to Lucy...praying hard for her, for her red cell production to resume, for her belly to return to normal, and for her full recovery and full enjoyment of life. All the love and care she's getting from her mom will go a long way too. Kerry M. -Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please pray for Lucy The vets are still all stumped by her case but think it is wet fip. I have been researching feverishly and she is on a lot of meds and is eating, but otherwise seems to be going downhill. Someone on an fip list serve emailed me about a cat who had all the same symptoms plus additional ones who was not given any hope and was hospitalized and not eating. The man got all his friends to pray for his cat, even though he himself was not religious, and his cat inexplicably completely recovered. The vets can not explain it, but it is 5 months later and he is fine. I have read medical studies saying that people who are prayed for tend to get better more frequently and faster, for whatever reason (the study was written by doctors from a medical, not religious, perspective and they offered no hypothesis of why). So I am asking all of you to pray for Lucy to get better, for her to start producing red blood cells again and for the fluid to go away from her belly and for her symptoms to all get better. If you would pray for her even once, I would appreciate it. I have tried everything else. thanks as always, Michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Please pray for Lucy
I haven't looked at the video yet, but I agree with Nina re negative/affirmative. I've been taught that the subconscious doesn't recognise the word 'not (E.g.: What happens when you're told Do not think of a pink elephant? You think of a pink elephant, of course!) In the examples given by Nina---No barking and No jumping, which words are the more prominent? Barking jumping of course. I would think No smoking signs are tough on people everywhere trying to kick the habit--all their brain registers when confronted with such a sign is SMOKING, and, by association, cigarettes. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy A couple of the segments provided are not running for me, (the movie is divided into 20 minute or so segments to make viewing on line easier), but what I have seen so far makes so much sense to me. One of the premises is that we attract what we think about, what we feel about, into our lives and that those thoughts don't differentiate between the negative and the positive. When you concentrate on not wanting something, you are still giving it power. Instead of focusing on what you don't want, (which amplifies it and brings it into your life), concentrate on the opposite, what you do want. So instead of concentrating your fears on fip, concentrate on good health instead. We touched on this a little last night, (another coincidence?). I have always been told by animal communicators that animals don't recognize negative word structure. Being a dog trainer, I have long been aware that it is easier to educate using affirmatives. Instead of No barking, use quiet, instead of No jumping, praise four on the floor and say off. Animals relate to what you are thinking, not what you are necessarily intending. Just maybe, the universe works in the same way. Nina Nina wrote: I just sent you a link to The Secret video off list. http://www.universeofpower.com/resources/free_videos/the_secret_movie.ht ml It's all about the power of intention, which I think is a big reason why prayer works. I find it quite affirming that you should post the request for prayer at the same time. Nina IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
I now have the 10 mu vial rather than the 5 mu vial. Does this mean I give half the dose, since it is still only 1 ml in the vial, i.e. do I give .4 ml instead of .8? Thanks, Michelle
RE: Chris and Mylo
I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Midnight is scheduled
Well I just wanted to let everyone know that after a stinky weekend of pee, Midnight will be going to the Dr. tomorrow (tuesday) morning to be neutered. They said they would also check him for a UTI just to make sure. Thanks to everyone for you advice. I am also going to get that Feliaway spray just incase we have any habits! :) Please pray for Midnight tomorrow. I am worried but he is a fighter. He managed to survive the cold before he found us 3 days after Christmas. He is tough, he will be fine but please pray. Thanks, Jennifer
RE: Midnight is scheduled
Praying for Midnight, Jennifer. Let us know how he gets on tomorrow, when you have time. I am so glad the little sweetheart found you! Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Midnight is scheduled Well I just wanted to let everyone know that after a stinky weekend of pee, Midnight will be going to the Dr. tomorrow (tuesday) morning to be neutered. They said they would also check him for a UTI just to make sure. Thanks to everyone for you advice. I am also going to get that Feliaway spray just incase we have any habits! :) Please pray for Midnight tomorrow. I am worried but he is a fighter. He managed to survive the cold before he found us 3 days after Christmas. He is tough, he will be fine but please pray. Thanks, Jennifer IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies
I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but just wondering... Thanks, Gloria On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this email. It was me. I give it to Patches, who chews in the same places otherwise. but we are pretty sure it is anxiety with her, not allergies. How is it working? Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 12:43:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have searched all my email archives and I can't for the life of me find who recommended going to a compounding pharmacy to get compounded transdermal benedryl gel for my Phelix's allergies (my brain is like a sieve)...but Phelix and I just wanted to say thanks! (and please tell me who you are - !)
RE: transfusion
My FELV cat Flavia's breathing was rapid and she had separated herself from the group. I took her to the vet as an emergency and she had a transfusion later that day. But as with any cat, any change in behavior is an indicator that there may be a problem. I think (the sad fact is) everyone with an FeLV cat, or cat with otherwise compromised health, is on continuous red alert for behavior change. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re:transfusion In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone has any ideas or information about how cats normally look and act when needing a transfusion (i.e. just tired, or not eating and almost nonresponsive?), I would appreciate it. Just saw this. Be very careful. From the 4 experiences I had with my cat, the first was when I had just gotten out of the hospital myself, and it was obvious he needed help. But the next 3 times, he was at 13, and once he had a minor respiratory infection to boot. At those times he wasn't obviously in any distress. The thing that alerted me was his faster heart rate after any real activity, and a bit of panting. He paradoxically has never stopped eating, his appetite has been fairly constant all along. You want to deal with it before it gets too bad, because most cats will hide sickness like that well (if it's only gradual onset of pernicious anemia). I think it's more of a case of watching the individual cat, and if he/she is acting out of the norm as far as energy and/or breathing, be safe rather than sorry. It would be great to find a way to get a quick PCV without committing to a transfusion if you suspect the anemia is getting bad. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies
yes, totally different, though I can't tell you how. the stuff in the store is topical and meant to treat the skin, I think, while this is meant to affect the cat internally and is just applied to the ears where the blood vessels absorb it. It is a much thinner cream, and the pharmacy compounds it into little syringes. It works amazingly for Patches-- she literally had a bald belly and legs and they were bright pink, and since I have been assiduously giving her this twice a day she has a full thick coat of fur there. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:15:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but just wondering... Thanks, Gloria
Re: Chris and Mylo
Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing.
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Hideyo and I discussed this when they switched from the 5 mu to the 10 mu and decided that the dosing we were previously using should be halfed as you suggest. What does your vet say? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have the 10 mu vial rather than the 5 mu vial. Does this mean I give half the dose, since it is still only 1 ml in the vial, i.e. do I give .4 ml instead of .8? Thanks, Michelle
Re: Midnight is scheduled
Prayers and all good thoughts for you and Midnight. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I just wanted to let everyone know that after a stinky weekend of pee, Midnight will be going to the Dr. tomorrow (tuesday) morning to be neutered. They said they would also check him for a UTI just to make sure. Thanks to everyone for you advice. I am also going to get that Feliaway spray just incase we have any habits! :) Please pray for Midnight tomorrow. I am worried but he is a fighter. He managed to survive the cold before he found us 3 days after Christmas. He is tough, he will be fine but please pray. Thanks, Jennifer
Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies
Yes...like Michelle said - it is compounded to be absorbed through the skin...the ear is rich in blood vessels and doesn't have the hair so it's the perfect place to administer it to get it into the blood stream. My compounding pharmacist gave me little finger cots (they look like something planned parenthood would distribute LOL) for the transdermal application. That is so that the medication is absorbed by the cat but not by your finger. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, totally different, though I can't tell you how. the stuff in the store is topical and meant to treat the skin, I think, while this is meant to affect the cat internally and is just applied to the ears where the blood vessels absorb it. It is a much thinner cream, and the pharmacy compounds it into little syringes. It works amazingly for Patches-- she literally had a bald belly and legs and they were bright pink, and since I have been assiduously giving her this twice a day she has a full thick coat of fur there. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:15:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but just wondering... Thanks, Gloria
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Yep. Since Lucy weighs 8lb apx - please give her 0.8 instead of 0.4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? Hideyo and I discussed this when they switched from the 5 mu to the 10 mu and decided that the dosing we were previously using should be halfed as you suggest. What does your vet say? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have the 10 mu vial rather than the 5 mu vial. Does this mean I give half the dose, since it is still only 1 ml in the vial, i.e. do I give .4 ml instead of .8? Thanks, Michelle
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Wait, though-- do you mean the opposite, give her .4 from the 10 mu bottle? (you said .8) She actually weighs 9.5 pounds now because of the fluid. Do you think I should increase the dosage? In a message dated 1/29/2007 12:28:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep. Since Lucy weighs 8lb apx - please give her 0.8 instead of 0.4
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
ok good, thanks! My vet's is closed today for a funeral, plus he has no idea about anything having to do with this drug. thanks again, michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 11:04:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hideyo and I discussed this when they switched from the 5 mu to the 10 mu and decided that the dosing we were previously using should be halfed as you suggest. What does your vet say? Nina
RE: Chris and Mylo
Chris, I am so sorry about what you and Mylo are going through. I know that sick feeling of realizing that all hope is lost and there's nothing you can do anymore but just let go of your furbaby that you love so deeply. My heart aches for you and Mylo. Mylo is SO lucky to have to love him. And vice versa. Enjoy whatever time you have left with him. Make sure you have pictures of him. Prayers going out for both of you for peace and strength. :) Wendy --- Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Duhh.. sorry.. I meant to give her 0.4!!! - here's a quick reference I created for you - I say - stick with 0.4 ml - it does not have to be that exactly 2.2 lb - 0.1ml 4.4 lb - 0.2 ml 6.6 lb - 0.3 ml 8.8 lb - 0.4 ml 11 lb - 0.5 ml _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? Wait, though-- do you mean the opposite, give her .4 from the 10 mu bottle? (you said .8) She actually weighs 9.5 pounds now because of the fluid. Do you think I should increase the dosage? In a message dated 1/29/2007 12:28:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep. Since Lucy weighs 8lb apx - please give her 0.8 instead of 0.4
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Thank you! I had an FIP vet write back to me (Dr. Pederson at UC Davis) that it is probably FIP and he thinks it's a million to one chance that it is toxo and that none of the meds including feline interferon will help. Of course, he also said that almost all cats infected with FeLV die within 3 years and I need to realize that (though Lucy has had it at least 4.5 years and probably more than 5 years!). So not sure what to think. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:28:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Duhh.. sorry.. I meant to give her 0.4!!! – here’s a quick reference I created for you – I say – stick with 0.4 ml – it does not have to be that exactly 2.2 lb – 0.1ml 4.4 lb - 0.2 ml 6.6 lb - 0.3 ml 8.8 lb – 0.4 ml 11 lb - 0.5 ml
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Why don't you ask Dr. Addie, Michelle - I don't think it's Toxo either - but it does not mean it's FIP either - if anything it's related to felk virus - I don't believe that Dr. Pederson has studied FIP as Dr. Ishida or Dr. Addie have.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? Thank you! I had an FIP vet write back to me (Dr. Pederson at UC Davis) that it is probably FIP and he thinks it's a million to one chance that it is toxo and that none of the meds including feline interferon will help. Of course, he also said that almost all cats infected with FeLV die within 3 years and I need to realize that (though Lucy has had it at least 4.5 years and probably more than 5 years!). So not sure what to think. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:28:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Duhh.. sorry.. I meant to give her 0.4!!! - here's a quick reference I created for you - I say - stick with 0.4 ml - it does not have to be that exactly 2.2 lb - 0.1ml 4.4 lb - 0.2 ml 6.6 lb - 0.3 ml 8.8 lb - 0.4 ml 11 lb - 0.5 ml
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Dr. Addie says on her website that she does not respond to individual questions. Have you gotten her to respond? In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:46:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why don’t you ask Dr. Addie, Michelle – I don’t think it’s Toxo either – but it does not mean it’s FIP either – if anything it’s related to felk virus – I don’t believe that Dr. Pederson has studied FIP as Dr. Ishida or Dr. Addie have..
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
She does not - she does not do diagnosis on individual case without looking at a client - but I am wondering if you could ask her if she has seen any wet case with clear fluid or something.. - I have a couple of different addresses for her as she once left Glasgow and came back.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? Dr. Addie says on her website that she does not respond to individual questions. Have you gotten her to respond? In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:46:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why don't you ask Dr. Addie, Michelle - I don't think it's Toxo either - but it does not mean it's FIP either - if anything it's related to felk virus - I don't believe that Dr. Pederson has studied FIP as Dr. Ishida or Dr. Addie have..
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Dr. Pederson said that he knows that in a small percentage of cases the fluid is clear. The internist also said that. If Dr. Addie has not seen it, that does not necessarily invalidate them saying that they have. In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:56:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She does not – she does not do diagnosis on individual case without looking at a client – but I am wondering if you could ask her if she has seen any wet case with clear fluid or something.. – I have a couple of different addresses for her as she once left Glasgow and came back..
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
That's true - it's just that - NONE of Lucy's blood work result supports towards FIP - the only thing it does it fluid in her tummy and it's clear and she is anemic -and it just seems unreasonable to conclude that she has FIP - but rather they don't know what to make of it - therefore they are attributing FIP - when a cat become severely anemic from FIP, some part of their organs (usually it's liver or kidney) have been affected already, and it will show elevated values in these organ functions And it's not with Lucy - I just feel that Lucy has what Tsubomi has had - felk virus related illness - she has become anemic very quickly and she had fluid in her tummy -I don't know if she has cancer or not as she passed away from anemia.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? Dr. Pederson said that he knows that in a small percentage of cases the fluid is clear. The internist also said that. If Dr. Addie has not seen it, that does not necessarily invalidate them saying that they have. In a message dated 1/29/2007 1:56:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She does not - she does not do diagnosis on individual case without looking at a client - but I am wondering if you could ask her if she has seen any wet case with clear fluid or something.. - I have a couple of different addresses for her as she once left Glasgow and came back..
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
The main reason they think FIP, actually, is the lymph node aspirate cytology-- it showed granulamatous inflamation in a mesenteric lymph node. This is apparently indicative of FIP. It can also be indicative of a few other inflammatory and infectious diseases, but apparently is most common in FIP cases. The lab report said possibly her ibd could cause it, as could FIP. In a message dated 1/29/2007 2:21:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That’s true – it’s just that – NONE of Lucy’s blood work result supports towards FIP – the only thing it does it fluid in her tummy and it’s clear and she is anemic –and it just seems unreasonable to conclude that she has FIP – but rather they don’t know what to make of it – therefore they are attributing FIP – when a cat become severely anemic from FIP, some part of their organs (usually it’s liver or kidney) have been affected already, and it will show elevated values in these organ functions…. And it’s not with Lucy – I just feel that Lucy has what Tsubomi has had – felk virus related illness – she has become anemic very quickly and she had fluid in her tummy –I don’t know if she has cancer or not as she passed away from anemia..
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Michelle - have you seen any documentation describing it ? If so, could you email it to me? I would love to read it..- as I have never seen anything like that - and have read tons of FIP diagnosistic related documentations. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? The main reason they think FIP, actually, is the lymph node aspirate cytology-- it showed granulamatous inflamation in a mesenteric lymph node. This is apparently indicative of FIP. It can also be indicative of a few other inflammatory and infectious diseases, but apparently is most common in FIP cases. The lab report said possibly her ibd could cause it, as could FIP. In a message dated 1/29/2007 2:21:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's true - it's just that - NONE of Lucy's blood work result supports towards FIP - the only thing it does it fluid in her tummy and it's clear and she is anemic -and it just seems unreasonable to conclude that she has FIP - but rather they don't know what to make of it - therefore they are attributing FIP - when a cat become severely anemic from FIP, some part of their organs (usually it's liver or kidney) have been affected already, and it will show elevated values in these organ functions And it's not with Lucy - I just feel that Lucy has what Tsubomi has had - felk virus related illness - she has become anemic very quickly and she had fluid in her tummy -I don't know if she has cancer or not as she passed away from anemia..
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Thank you, Michelle - I appreciate it! I have a few kitties with hypergloublimia and they are on FOI -and would like to know if there any other measurements to determine FIP than a regular lab work - How is Lucy doing today? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? I think I only saw it in a couple of places, but all the vets (including Dr. pederson) seem to take it as one of the biggest signs of FIP. I will try to find for you the links to where I saw it. I am hoping it is not FIP, still! Just not sure what to do to help her! In a message dated 1/29/2007 2:32:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle - have you seen any documentation describing it ? If so, could you email it to me? I would love to read it..- as I have never seen anything like that - and have read tons of FIP diagnosistic related documentations.
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
She was very active last night-- went into living room, explored under the couch, climbed to the top of the cat tree, and purred a lot. I had increased her pred from 10 to 12.5 mg/day the night before. Her appetite is increased as well. But she is super lethargic again today, though still eating a lot (2.5 jars of baby food so far and it is only 3 pm, plus some dry food). I am wondering whether to increase her steroids more. In a message dated 1/29/2007 2:56:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you, Michelle – I appreciate it! I have a few kitties with hypergloublimia and they are on FOI –and would like to know if there any other measurements to determine FIP than a regular lab work – How is Lucy doing today?
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Maybe you should wait - she is already getting lots of chemicals in her body - epogen, interferon, and pred - it might be reaction from any of these drugs - as pred is not really curing anything, but suppressing whatever and suppressing her immune system as well --- if she is eating, I would wait and see how she does for the next few days - remember, Michelle, with FIP, cats will eat less more and more.. and become anorexic eventually - that happened to ALL of my cats with FIP - the fact that she is eating is WONDERFUL news and that's why I don' think it is FIP --- have you done any Free T4 thyroid test with her (sorry if I asked already) or have you done any corona titer test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? She was very active last night-- went into living room, explored under the couch, climbed to the top of the cat tree, and purred a lot. I had increased her pred from 10 to 12.5 mg/day the night before. Her appetite is increased as well. But she is super lethargic again today, though still eating a lot (2.5 jars of baby food so far and it is only 3 pm, plus some dry food). I am wondering whether to increase her steroids more. In a message dated 1/29/2007 2:56:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you, Michelle - I appreciate it! I have a few kitties with hypergloublimia and they are on FOI -and would like to know if there any other measurements to determine FIP than a regular lab work - How is Lucy doing today?
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
No titers, and I don't want to take that much blood at this point, with pcv of 15. When your cats were not eating, were they on pred? Pred increases appetite, sometimes by a lot. I think that the reason she is eating is that she is on this much pred. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 3:07:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe you should wait – she is already getting lots of chemicals in her body – epogen, interferon, and pred – it might be reaction from any of these drugs – as pred is not really curing anything, but suppressing whatever and suppressing her immune system as well --- if she is eating, I would wait and see how she does for the next few days – remember, Michelle, with FIP, cats will eat less more and more.. and become anorexic eventually – that happened to ALL of my cats with FIP – the fact that she is eating is WONDERFUL news and that ’s why I don’ think it is FIP --- have you done any Free T4 thyroid test with her (sorry if I asked already) or have you done any corona titer test?
RE: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
Was she not eating before? Pred does increases the appetite, but if a cat is getting very ill from FIP, even with Pred, they will stop eating - or won't eat as much as Lucy is eating.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo? No titers, and I don't want to take that much blood at this point, with pcv of 15. When your cats were not eating, were they on pred? Pred increases appetite, sometimes by a lot. I think that the reason she is eating is that she is on this much pred. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 3:07:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe you should wait - she is already getting lots of chemicals in her body - epogen, interferon, and pred - it might be reaction from any of these drugs - as pred is not really curing anything, but suppressing whatever and suppressing her immune system as well --- if she is eating, I would wait and see how she does for the next few days - remember, Michelle, with FIP, cats will eat less more and more.. and become anorexic eventually - that happened to ALL of my cats with FIP - the fact that she is eating is WONDERFUL news and that's why I don' think it is FIP --- have you done any Free T4 thyroid test with her (sorry if I asked already) or have you done any corona titer test?
Re: feline interferon dosing question-- Hideyo?
It's hard to answer that, because she has been on some amount of pred for almost a year. She was down to 1.25 mg every other day in late December, and her appetite declined. I upped her to 2.5 mg/day and her appetite went back to normal. When she got sick with fevers on January 16, she was eating but not a lot. When I upped her to 10 mg/day based on recommendation from internist per FIP presumption (because it helps with fip symptoms, which mostly come from inflammation which pred takes down), her appetite increased to what it has been. Then it increased more yesterday when I increased pred to 12.5 mg/day. I do think that if I took her off pred altogether she would probably stop eating. Even though she is eating a lot right now, it is almost exclusively baby food. .She won't eat her normal diet, or even any cat food other than occasionally a few pieces of dry EVO. So I think it is probably largely the pred giving her her appetite. When I talk about wanting to increase the pred, it is to make her more comfortable-- more energy, less symptoms from inflammation. Dr. Ishida uses a one time shot of dexamethasone, which is much stronger than pred, so I am thinking to try that too. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 3:13:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was she not eating before? Pred does increases the appetite, but if a cat is getting very ill from FIP, even with Pred, they will stop eating – or won’ t eat as much as Lucy is eating..
Fwd: difficult presumptive FIP case
Dr. Pederson's second reply... Michelle ---BeginMessage--- Dear Ms. Lerner: Yes, there are some strains of FeLV that are not as pathogenic, and cats will live a lot longer. However, there are strains that are much more pathogenic. Therefore, the figures I gave you are an average, but the figures are relatively correct and helpful when counseling owners. As for the fluid, it is compatible with FIP. The large mononuclear cells are the same as macrophages. The cell findings support the biopsy findings, which support the diagnosis of FIP. -Dr. Pedersen At 10:11 AM 1/29/2007, you wrote: Thank you so much for your reply. I am aware of the stats on felv. But my two remaining FeLV+ cats were positive when I adopted them as adults over 4.5 years ago, and both are at least 5.5 years old already. I lost another one who was almost 7 years old and had FeLV since she was 1 year old or younger, and another at 5 years old, and I have a friend who had a cat who was positive since being a kitten die recently at age 10, and another at age 9. I have lost most of my positives to lymphoma, and one to dry FIP. So I know that FeLV shortens their lifespans and makes them more prone to FIP, but I also know that with appropriate care many can live well past what the statistics say. I just don't want to write her off if there is a chance this is not FIP and is something treatable. You asked about the kinds of cells. Here is what the cytology report says: Cellularity is moderate consisting of a mixture of large mononuclear cells, lymphocytes and neutrophils. They call it a modified transudite. Are large mononuclear cells the same as macrophages? If so, or if not, does this tend more toward or away form an fip diagnosis? Thank you so much for taking the time to correspond with me about this, Michelle Lerner In a message dated 1/29/2007 12:25:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Ms. Lerner: I can only give you opinions, because I have not seen the cat and I am not your veterinarian. However, I can make a few comments that may or may not be helpful. First, there are things that support effusive FIP. The cat is FeLV+, and we know that FeLV infection is the greatest potentiator of FIP in existance. If a cat has a subclinical (latent) FIP infection, which some cats can have for months, years, or even a lifetime, FeLV infection will almost always activate it. In the old days before FeLV was controlled, about 40% of the cats with FIP were FeLV infected. Second, the fever and the presence of granulomatous inflammation in mesenteric lymph nodes are signs of FIP. The fluid is not typical of the usual case of FIP, but in a small percentage of cases the fluid can be lower in protein and not yellow. You did not mention the cell count - the cell count in the fluid is usually several thousands, but also can be low. the important thing is what cells are in the fluid. FIP fluid contains neutrophils, lymphocytes and macrophages. The differential for this type of fluid would be either some form of heart failure, such as cardiomyopathy, or some obstruction in the veins going into the liver. The latter fluid, however, would be bloody. The cardiomyopathy can be ruled out by an ultrasound exam of the hart, preferably done by a veterinary cardiologist with proper equipment. As for the treatment you are on - none of the drugs have anything to do with treating FIP (although, I am aware of the literature). The pred or dexamethosone will take down the fever; the leukeran may decrease the inflammation, and the interferon will do nothing but shrink your wallet!. We know all of this from direct experience. The problem with the Japanese studies on the interferon is that they also have a vested interest in selling it, and they have done a good job of selling it to vets worldwide. The clindamycin will not touch FIP virus, and it is a million to one chance that the cat has toxoplasmosis. In all cases like this, you have to play the odds. The odds are that your cat has FIP and diagnostics should be directed at ruling it in or out. You can actually do a direct PCR test on the cells spun out of the abdominal fluid. There are good laboratories, such as IDEXX (not Antech) that can do this. You can also seek advice from the vet school at Cornell - they have a good diagnostic lab. You can also send it to the Lucy Whitaker lab here at Davis. If you want to pursue the heart, you should be able to find a veterinary cardiologist in the area. Finally, remember that FeLV infection is a fatal disease. Almost all FeLV infected cats will die of an FeLV-realted disease within 3 years. FIP is one of those FeLV-related diseases. Most are dead within 2-6 months of becoming clinically ill. Therefore, you cannot forget FeLV in the face of all of these clinical comings and goings. good luck, Dr. Pedersen ---End Message---
RE: difficult presumptive FIP case
I actually have seen FOI worked on kitties with pre-stage of FIP - I think that the trick is you have to use it at a very early stage-I also know of a couple of other people who were showing pre-stage of FIP and FOI reversed the conditions - the main problem is that,, if you don't have enough experience with losing cats with FIP - by the time, you notice, it's usually too late to use FIP -one of my friends who also lost 6 kitties to FIP, she was using FOI low oral dosage to three of remaining cats who were showing high titers and high globulin levels.. and 3 months later, all of her cats' titer went down almost nothing and globulin has gone down - I have had a couple of correspondences with Dr. ishida and I know that scientifically his study has not proven with FOI as he did not have a control group in his study,, I also know that he still has success treating his patients with FIP kitties -again, the key factor is that you need to catch it fairly early to start the treatment.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Fwd: difficult presumptive FIP case Dr. Pederson's second reply... Michelle
Re: Chris and Mylo
Hi Chris, *Can I ask what tests were run to diagnose this?* I know several FeLV+ who are battling cancer and doing very well. One has been in remission for 2 years. What kind of cancer, lymphoma is a broad term, is it small cell, large cell?? My Buddie had small cell, liver cancer and did very well for over a year. She stopped eating on the chemo and I stopped it, I then had her on prednisolone and she was doing fine until the cancer spread over a year later. Just an FYI, in hindsight I would not stop the chemo today I would opt for assist feeding and continue the chemo, I believe Buddie would have lived longer and possibly gone into remission, her quality of life was good except for a 5 day period when she came down with a sepsis infection which we pulled her through. She fought very hard. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chris and Mylo
PS. If Mylo isn't eating well he may very well not have cancer but something called hepatic lipidosis, cats who don't eat enough or don't eat for a few days, some as little as 2 days can develop this. It is deadly serious and the ONLY thing that can save a cat with this is food. The liver would be inflamed with this. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: difficult presumptive FIP case
Lucy had bad symptoms for several days before starting. In a message dated 1/29/2007 3:31:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I actually have seen FOI worked on kitties with pre-stage of FIP – I think that the trick is you have to use it at a very early stage—I also know of a couple of other people who were showing pre-stage of FIP and FOI reversed the conditions – the main problem is that,, if you don’t have enough experience with losing cats with FIP – by the time, you notice, it’s usually too late to use FIP –one of my friends who also lost 6 kitties to FIP, she was using FOI low oral dosage to three of remaining cats who were showing high titers and high globulin levels.. and 3 months later, all of her cats’ titer went down almost nothing and globulin has gone down - I have had a couple of correspondences with Dr. ishida and I know that scientifically his study has not proven with FOI as he did not have a control group in his study,, I also know that he still has success treating his patients with FIP kitties –again, the key factor is that you need to catch it fairly early to start the treatment..
Re: Chris and Mylo
Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Chris and Mylo
I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing
RE: Please pray for Lucy
Antibody reaction happens to between 10 to 30 % cats on epogen (% varies depending on whom you are asking..:) - but there is also new type of injections which you can use if a cat develops antibody with epogen (research done by U of Davis for feline) - Kerry, do I understand correctly that your kitty's PCV never dropped below 23 after stopped using epogen? Is that right? Hideyo _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry Roach Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy I think the epogen worked in less than 2 wks...They all said that was very fast as it usually takes longer..He was at 20 and it went to over 32 in around 10 days. He was only on it for around 5 wks..as when he went to the specialist, the pcv had already dropped again to 23..so she stopped it due to he might have been going to develope antibodies to it..which usually happens if they are on it too long..We stopped and were going to use it again later if he needed it, but he never did...Then all I know is maybe the folic acid and other supps that I gave him helped...I would break open the cap and sprinkle some on every meal..It was hard to tell for sure how much he was getting, but the cap would be gone in 2 days or less..I just sprinkled a small amount on all meals...I would up Lucy's though.. I would probably up the pred, too just in case you think you are dealing with some sort of cancer (lymphoma). I sure hope you get some dex pills...my vet just wrote a script for me and I had it filled. I am going to ask for some more just in case I need it for Inky.. Bandy's pcv was 32 just days before he passed away and for the most part had been in the 30's for the last yr except on a few occasions when we had it checked.. I know we used 1 bottle and part of another at a different strength... He got .07 of the first bottle then the other was .14..so I am thinking now that he was on it maybe 6 wks..I would have to look back at his records.. Hope I haven't totally confused you..Wish I could be of more help.. Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky _ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers http://answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOARfcwMz OTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx .
RE: Please pray for Lucy
Michelle - as you know, I have been and will continue to pray for Lucy - as it may be difficult in the middle of things but - try to enjoy the moments you have with Lucy regardless and think positive with unconditional love -I lost so many kitties since last May, and it seems that most of the time, I spent worrying, crying and being sad and being afraid of what could happen.. and looking back, no matter what the outcome maybe, I wish I had spent more time, feeling joy of holding them, and nothing else.. I know how much you love Lucy, it's so apparent to all of us - no matter what,, our furry babies are not afraid of things like we are - and they live in the moments... please cherish the moments and don't let worrying ruin it.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy I know. And we are treating for toxo, which does not really seem to be working so far. Next step is probably to treat for small cell lymphoma and fip inflammation at the same time with leukeran. But that suppresses the bone marrow and wbc, so my vets do not want to put her on it until we have completely given up on the abx working. The only way to really diagnose her would be exploratory surgery with multiple tissue biopsies (they can definitively diagnose fip if they find it in a tissue biopsy-- that is how they do it in necropsies as well), and I do not want to put Lucy through exploratory surgery because she is FeLV+, anemic, weak, and almost seemed like she would not recover from the ultrasound/biopsy-- just sat in sick cat position staring into space for half a day afterwards and would not look at me or eat until the evening. So I am afraid the surgery could kill her. So I am trying to treat for the treatable things they might find in a biopsy, which I was told would only be a) infection, b) cancer, or c) fungal infection. We are treating for toxo, an infection, right now. If it is cancer, the only really treatable kind is lymphoma, which the oncologist does not think she has because the enlarged lymph nodes in her abdomen did not have any lymphoma cells and neither did the fluid in her belly. But I think if we give up on the abx, the next step is leukeran in case it is lymphoma, since it is also used to treat fip-related inflammation. Fungal infection seems least likely and the medication apparently makes them feel sick, so that is probably last, unless the internist decides otherwise. So I have not given up hope. But when she is so tired, and her pcv is still going down, and her belly keeps getting bigger, it is frightening. That is why I ask for prayer. That said, I put her collar on her, with the bells, and asked her if she wanted to go outside. She just sat there and looked at me, so I went into the kitchen. When I looked up she was walking through the kitchen to the back door. I let her out and she walked around a while, jumped up on a stone wall, walked around some more. She meowed strangely a few times. When well, she is quite talkative, but some of these meows sounded different and I got scared. But she then climbed up on top of the picnic table in the sun. I plugged in her heating pad out there and she got on it, and we spent about an hour outside in the (cold) sun. She purred when we pet her. I eventually brought her in because the clouds covered the sun and her ears got ice cold, and she meowed at me the whole time I was taking her in because she did not want to go. Once in, she ate some, and then curled up on her heating pad. She rolled on her back for a while like she was really happy, now is fast asleep on her side. So better afternoon than I was expecting! Perhaps because of the prayers! Or perhaps because she heard a mouse this morning and that excited her. Or perhaps if I had asked her any of these past days if she wanted to go out and put her collar on, perhaps she would have responded the same way. I don't know. But I am glad and grateful for it. Please send prayers. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:05:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, please do remember, *always*, that a 100% reliable assessment of FIP (dry or wet) CANNOT be made until the cat is alive: only necroscopic exams could tell the final word. There is plenty of cases of cats definitely diagnosed with FIP, that did not have it, just a panel of symptoms that resembled (but actually were not) FIP... ;) Paolo
Re: Chris and Mylo
My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Chris and Mylo
Anna - I am so sorry. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him
Re: midnight
Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/ (someone recommended this one personally for compounding services) and there's always: http://www.nationalpetpharmacy.com/ http://www.1800petmeds.com/ http://www.drsfostersmith.com/general.cfm?gid=196 Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Can they aspirate any of the fluid off to relieve the pressure? I'm really behind on mail, sorry! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: (OT) The Secret movie
I watched The Secret movie (someone burned a copy and gave it to me), and it says nothing about prayer. It's about creating your own reality, and about as far from right-wing religion as you can get! It is NOT a Christian movie, so please don't make it sound like it is! It is actually very good, and makes you think (unlike the Christian religion, which only wishes for you to follow blindly). Sorry, but I had to say that! I would have sent it directly to the poster, but I didn't want other Pagans/Wiccans/Celts on the list to NOT watch it now because someone made it sound Christian! It's a constant struggle for us to keep the Christian community from stealing everything GOOD in the world and claiming it as their own. OK, I'm done, sorry to be so OT, but I could not let that go! If you want to disagree with me, feel free to bring it over to the FELVOT group! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Did they run a Corona titer on Lucy? Was it high? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Chris and Mylo
You can do HOME fluids, it's easy! Here are some links with pictures (your vet can give you all the needed supplies): http://www.felinecrf.com/managh.htm http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_giving_set.htm http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/clientED/cat_fluids.asp http://www.fabcats.org/sq_fluid.html Some cats are not really cooperative, here are two options if you don't have a helper to hold the cat: http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick http://www.klaw-kontrol.com/ (and if you have a biter, you can get cat muzzles here: http://www.animal-care.com/product_list.cfm?sub2a=78prod=1 ) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: (OT) The Secret movie
At 05:58 PM 1/29/2007, you wrote: I know I have been out of the loop lately, with insanity here,,,this new dog, cats and a mom situatioin, but what is the SECRET Movie You know my personal views on religion and I do my best never to offend anyone here,( anthouh I have been know to send a few private emails) . Regardless of our religious views first and above all is our caring about the animals, but what is this movie??? Kelly I watched The Secret movie (someone burned a copy and gave it to me), and it says nothing about prayer. It's about creating your own reality, and about as far from right-wing religion as you can get! It is NOT a Christian movie, so please don't make it sound like it is! It is actually very good, and makes you think (unlike the Christian religion, which only wishes for you to follow blindly). Sorry, but I had to say that! I would have sent it directly to the poster, but I didn't want other Pagans/Wiccans/Celts on the list to NOT watch it now because someone made it sound Christian! It's a constant struggle for us to keep the Christian community from stealing everything GOOD in the world and claiming it as their own. OK, I'm done, sorry to be so OT, but I could not let that go! If you want to disagree with me, feel free to bring it over to the FELVOT group! Phaewryn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.htmlhttp://www.pawproject.com/kona.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007
Re: Chris and Mylo
Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html
Re: Toby and Anna
Sending peaceful thoughts to you and Toby as well Anna. Phaewryn
Re: (OT) The Secret movie
Phaewryn, There you go jumping to conclusions again. I adore you, but you do seem to come off offensive without meaning to! I was the one that posted about the secret video. I haven't re-read my post to see what in it made you think it was coming from the Christian right, but I have absolutely no organized religious affiliation what so ever! It certainly wasn't my intention to sound that way. It's funny because I went to purchase it, (it actually will be available tomorrow, at least at Borders), and it surprised me when they told me it would be in the religion section. I don't know what I was expecting, documentary maybe. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched The Secret movie (someone burned a copy and gave it to me), and it says nothing about prayer. It's about creating your own reality, and about as far from right-wing religion as you can get! It is NOT a Christian movie, so please don't make it sound like it is! It is actually very good, and makes you think (unlike the Christian religion, which only wishes for you to follow blindly). Sorry, but I had to say that! I would have sent it directly to the poster, but I didn't want other Pagans/Wiccans/Celts on the list to NOT watch it now because someone made it sound Christian! It's a constant struggle for us to keep the Christian community from stealing everything GOOD in the world and claiming it as their own. OK, I'm done, sorry to be so OT, but I could not let that go! If you want to disagree with me, feel free to bring it over to the FELVOT group! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please pray for Lucy
I'm going to ask the local vet tomorrow. I am afraid he will say he has never done it and I should go to Red bank, which is so far away and stresses her so much. I know they will do it there. The problem with draining is that it usually comes right back. But some people say it takes a few weeks to come back, though most say a few days. Apparently injecting dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining can slow its refilling time, but my vet has already told me he is afraid to give an intra-abdominal injection. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 8:51:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can they aspirate any of the fluid off to relieve the pressure? I'm really behind on mail, sorry! Phaewryn
Re: (OT) The Secret movie
http://www.universeofpower.com/resources/free_videos/the_secret_movie.html There ya go this is the link to see it online... though it's got a cult following now with people passing it around to each other in person too! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please pray for Lucy
No, no titer was run and now I don't want to take that much blood from her because she is so anemic. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 9:02:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they run a Corona titer on Lucy? Was it high? Phaewryn
Re: (OT) The Secret movie
and that's why we use the term GLOW--stands for whatever people want and need it to be: prayer, white light, healing, love, kind thoughts, gentle energy, etc. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Well, that should be the first step in any FIP diagnosis. I really find it completely unfathomable that they didn't do a Corona titer when they suspected FIP. True, if it's positive, it could still be anything, but if it's negative, that completely eliminates the possibility of FIP, and allows you to move in another direction towards the true cause of the illness. They did aspirate fluid, though, right? And it was definitely in the abdomen and NOT in the chest cavity, right? Didn't you say it was clear, and not straw colored like FIP usually is, or was that someone else's cat? I'm sorry I was gone for 2 days.. I had family things I had to do. I'm glad Lucy is hanging in there! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please pray for Lucy
my understanding is that a cat with FIP can show a low or even no corona virus titre, as the titre shows recent exposure to an active corona virus itself, not to the mutated form. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that should be the first step in any FIP diagnosis. I really find it completely unfathomable that they didn't do a Corona titer when they suspected FIP. True, if it's positive, it could still be anything, but if it's negative, that completely eliminates the possibility of FIP, and allows you to move in another direction towards the true cause of the illness. They did aspirate fluid, though, right? And it was definitely in the abdomen and NOT in the chest cavity, right? Didn't you say it was clear, and not straw colored like FIP usually is, or was that someone else's cat? I'm sorry I was gone for 2 days.. I had family things I had to do. I'm glad Lucy is hanging in there! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Hi Michelle, I have been praying for you and Lucy. I will continue to along as it takes. I would love for you to send a picture of Lucy. Sheila
Re: (OT) The Secret movie
would you like a little dip with that chip? ;-) elizabeth On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched The Secret movie (someone burned a copy and gave it to me), and it says nothing about prayer. It's about creating your own reality, and about as far from right-wing religion as you can get! It is NOT a Christian movie, so please don't make it sound like it is! It is actually very good, and makes you think (unlike the Christian religion, which only wishes for you to follow blindly). Sorry, but I had to say that! I would have sent it directly to the poster, but I didn't want other Pagans/Wiccans/Celts on the list to NOT watch it now because someone made it sound Christian! It's a constant struggle for us to keep the Christian community from stealing everything GOOD in the world and claiming it as their own. OK, I'm done, sorry to be so OT, but I could not let that go! If you want to disagree with me, feel free to bring it over to the FELVOT group! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please pray for Lucy
You can't have FIP without Corona, the Corona mutates into FIP, but it doesn't make it so that it's not Corona, it just creates the condition known as FIP (it's not the virus that mutates, it's the condition that mutates, if that makes sense). At least that's how I read it from Dr. Addie's site. It is very rare for a cat with FIP to not show a Corona titer, and I included that explanation below... FIP occurs when the cat reacts inappropriately to feline coronavirus (FCoV) infection. Most cats simply become infected, shed FCoV for a month or two, mount an immune response, eliminate the virus and live happily ever after. However, for reasons that we don't yet fully understand, instead of clearing FCoV infection, an unfortunate few cats develop FIP. The presence of antibodies indicates that the cat has been infected with FCoV, the cause of FIP. Any FCoV antibody titre can occur in cases of wet or effusive FIP, but most cats with FIP have extremely high antibody titres (1280 or greater). Antibody titres of 0 are unusual in FIP cases and are usually considered as indicating that the cat does not have FIP. (However, if other parameters suggest a diagnosis of FIP, despite having an antibody titre of 0, then this is the one situation where FCoV RNA detection (RT-PCR), performed on a sample of the effusion, is diagnostic of FIP. In these cats there is so much virus in the effusion that all the antibody is bound to it, and none is available to bind to virus in the test.) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
RE: Chris and Mylo
Yes the doctor talked about hydrating Mylo but would not help all the other ailments. Sadly, Mylo is too far gone at this point. I've gone over every angle on how I can help Mylo become healthy. Looking at him is difficult as I keep thinking that tomorrow at this time he will not be beside me. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:43 -0600 I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it
RE: Chris and Mylo
Thank you Wendy for your thoughts much appreciated From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:23:28 -0800 (PST) Chris, I am so sorry about what you and Mylo are going through. I know that sick feeling of realizing that all hope is lost and there's nothing you can do anymore but just let go of your furbaby that you love so deeply. My heart aches for you and Mylo. Mylo is SO lucky to have to love him. And vice versa. Enjoy whatever time you have left with him. Make sure you have pictures of him. Prayers going out for both of you for peace and strength. :) Wendy --- Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx
Re: Chris and Mylo
Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear about Toby. I just keep saying to myself that I don't want Mylo to suffer and to live the way he has been living in the past month or so. Every time I look at him my heart sinks. He rests his little head on his paws and he looks up at me and tries not to move any other part of his body. What happened at the vet today? From: Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:31:57 -0700 I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment
Re: Chris and Mylo
Thank you. From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:50:24 -0600 My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows
Re: Chris and Mylo
Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca
Re: Chris and Mylo
I understand. I chose to euthanise my Moogie when she was really sick too... I didn't opt for the transfusions either. Now, I always wonder.. what if. I just wish I would have joined this group a little sooner than I did. I think that's how a lot of us here feel. Phaewryn
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Sorry to disturb you folks, I have been unable to contact the list owner of Feline Anemia (the one I subscribed years ago) to come out of the ID/Password trouble... Any of you could have that list owner contact me please? Thank you, and hugs to everybody. Paolo
RE: Chris and Mylo
Chris, I'm sorry that Mylo is so sick. My heart goes out to both of you as you make these difficult choices. Diane R.
