Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Amy]

Hi all,
I just wanted to write about my comment about the cats that we have taken in 
converting. I'm referring to the cats that have come into the rescue where I 
volunteer, not my personal cats. None of my personal cats have ever converted 
that I know of. I have do have one positive that has been with me 12 years that 
I have not retested. He was positive on the IFA and snap when I rescued him so 
I never bothered retesting. His bloodwork also still shows signs that point to 
him being positive. My other cats lived varied lives with the disease, some 
less than 2 years, some 4-8, some 10-12. 
We do not see a ton of leuk positives at our shelter. We have had 6 in the two 
years that I have been there, a mom and 4 kittens, and an adult. All 6 were 
able to fight off the virus and retested negative on several later tests. We 
did not do anything special other than quarantine them, try to reduce stress 
(which is not easy in a shelter environment), feed them a quality food and 
retest at 30, 60, and 90 days. Even though the recommendation is to do an IFA 
if you get a positive SNAP, we always wait 30 days and resnap. The reason for 
that is we often take cats in from outdoors that may have had casual contact 
and may initially test positive but fight it off. The IFA is expensive to do if 
we think the cat might fight it off. If when we retest, the cat is still pos, 
we do the IFA to confirm. The mom and the 4 kittens all converted as well as 
the adult. We held them until they tested negative on 3 different snap tests 
each over 30 days apart. My guess is that the test caught the exposure right 
after it happened. My understanding is that this is NOT the norm. I'm not 
surprised about the adults fighting it off but I was pretty shocked by the 
kittens. I adopted one of the kittens that converted because I have a leuk 
positive and all my other cats are vaccinated. We ran 5 different brands of 
tests on him and 4 of the 5 repeatedly come up negative but for some reason he 
tested positive on the Witness test. So just in case there is a trace of the 
virus there that could be passed on, we didn't want to put him into a home that 
wasn't prepared for leukemia. My vet has no explanation for why he tests 
positive on the one test and neither does Zoetis but they all consider him 
negative based on all the other test results. So odd. Either way, he has a 
forever home with me. If he is positive, so be it. If he is negative and the 
test is goofy, even better. I continue to retest and get the same results. Neg 
on everything except the Zoetis Witness test. Makes me question what others say 
about the virus going latent and coming back later. I have heard numerous 
people tell me stories about cats that tested negative numerous times, lived 
with them, never went outside, never had contact with other cats and then came 
up positive later in life. Hard to say for sure when I wasn't there and don't 
know if there was any chance of exposure, but makes me stop and think for sure. 
I often question the reliability of the Zoetis Witness test and my vet has 
since stopped using them.
That's my story.Amy

  From: kat <merrykatme...@email.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
   
Ardy, The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  
But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so 
successful. Kat (Mew Jersey)Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: 'Amy' <awilkin...@yahoo.com>, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat SanctuaryHi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, 
what do you mean by “most cats you have taken in have converted after some 
time”? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you 
attribute that to? Thank you,Ardy  From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat 
rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos 
kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like 
so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my 
home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives 
because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious 
cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are 
able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to 
restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to 
make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we 
have taken in have co

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Kat – I did not realize that….but like you, I was curious :)

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Ardy,

 

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, 
most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  But like 
you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> >
To: 'Amy' <awilkin...@yahoo.com <mailto:awilkin...@yahoo.com> >, 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you 
have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer 
have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Lorrie,

 

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

 

Let me know!

Thanks Amy

 

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From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


>
>Lorrie,
>
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[kat]

Ardy,

 

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: 'Amy' <awilkin...@yahoo.com>, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 


Thank you,

Ardy 


 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary



 



Lorrie,



 



That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties



 



Let me know!



Thanks Amy



 









From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




>
>    Lorrie,
>
>    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>
>    Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you 
have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer 
have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Lorrie,

 

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

 

Let me know!

Thanks Amy

 

  _  

From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

Everyone deserves a chance at life, even if it is short.  Thank you for giving 
thee cats that chance.  I hae 3 negative and 1 positive.  She has been positive 
all her life and is a sassy, healthy black cat.  All my guys share the house 
with me and no one has ever turned positive from being around her.

 simon95 <simo...@onvol.net> wrote: 
> 

Hi Guys
I am a member of a no kill shelter. 
We are in Malta.Europe.
All our heathly cat roam free .
Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv cats.
Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and had 
Bella also but passed away last October. 
These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there life 
maybe cut short. 
If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
Sent from Samsung Mobile

 Original message From: Amy 
<awilkin...@yahoo.com> Date:16/05/2016  17:31  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary 
Lorrie,

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

Let me know!
Thanks Amy


From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

I keep saying if I win the publisher clearing house sweps, I will make the best 
rescue home in the world, even dogs .  I have even drawn up plans for the 
buildings and yards.


 Lorrie  wrote: 
> 
> HOW WONDERFUL..
> Thanks to all of you who do rescue work. It can be heartbreaking at
> times, but it is so rewarding to save cats who are injured, abused or
> starving.   I wish we could help every cat in the world.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 05-16, simon95 wrote:
> >Hi Guys
> > 
> >I am a member of a no kill shelter.
> > 
> >We are in Malta.Europe.
> > 
> >All our heathly cat roam free .
> > 
> >Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv
> >cats.
> > 
> >Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and
> >had Bella also but passed away last October.
> > 
> >These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there
> >life maybe cut short.
> > 
> >If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
> > 
> > 
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[Lorrie]

HOW WONDERFUL..
Thanks to all of you who do rescue work. It can be heartbreaking at
times, but it is so rewarding to save cats who are injured, abused or
starving.   I wish we could help every cat in the world.

Lorrie

On 05-16, simon95 wrote:
>Hi Guys
> 
>I am a member of a no kill shelter.
> 
>We are in Malta.Europe.
> 
>All our heathly cat roam free .
> 
>Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv
>cats.
> 
>Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and
>had Bella also but passed away last October.
> 
>These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there
>life maybe cut short.
> 
>If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
> 
> 

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[simon95]

Hi Guys
I am a member of a no kill shelter. 
We are in Malta.Europe.
All our heathly cat roam free .
Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv cats.
Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and had 
Bella also but passed away last October. 
These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there life 
maybe cut short. 
If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
Sent from Samsung Mobile

 Original message From: Amy 
<awilkin...@yahoo.com> Date:16/05/2016  17:31  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary 
Lorrie,

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

Let me know!
Thanks Amy


From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO 
STRAYS.

 Amy <awilkin...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Lorrie,
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
> rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
> them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have 
> positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV 
> positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free 
> and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in 
> often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do 
> get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 
> or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they 
> aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in 
> have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the 
> rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on 
> both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties
> Let me know!Thanks Amy
> 
>   From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
> > 
> >    Lorrie,
> > 
> >    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> > 
> >    Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
> 
> 
> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
> -
> 
> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
> -
> 
> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
> full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
> outside.
> 
> 
> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
> upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 
> 
> 
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Amy]

Lorrie,
That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties
Let me know!Thanks Amy

  From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
   
> 
>    Lorrie,
> 
>    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>    Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Rachel Dagner]

It sounds just perfect to me. I am so glad you shared this with us. I have 
nothing but respect for you. It's not everyone who can find their calling and 
then just go for it, especially when that calling comes from love and caring 
and has nothing to do  with financial gain only the peace of mind that comes 
with knowing you are doing something good. I don't even know you and I am so 
proud of you! 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:

>> 
>>   Lorrie,
>> 
>>   Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>> 
>>   Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
> 
> 
> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
> -
> 
> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
> -
> 
> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
> full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
> outside.
> 
> 
> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
> upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Lorrie]

> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[cerwin]

Going through old mail...

I have visited there, and it is a nice place. The people who run it are
very caring.

Chris C.


-Original Message- 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 2:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

You do have to be careful when choosing a place for your cats.  I have one, 
Rustic Hollow and they have provisions for FELV cats.  They do ask you give 
a set fee per cat per year of expected life.  It is not bad considering they 
have 6 or 7 houses for the cats with outdoor caticos.  They will provide the 
food your cats are used to, even my Blue Buffalo or Wellness.  I wouldn't 
even mind retiring there to one of the houses as a live in caretaker.  I 
have no family and I would have more than enough cats to love.




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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[dlgegg]

You do have to be careful when choosing a place for your cats.  I have one, 
Rustic Hollow and they have provisions for FELV cats.  They do ask you give a 
set fee per cat per year of expected life.  It is not bad considering they have 
6 or 7 houses for the cats with outdoor caticos.  They will provide the food 
your cats are used to, even my Blue Buffalo or Wellness.  I wouldn't even mind 
retiring there to one of the houses as a live in caretaker.  I have no family 
and I would have more than enough cats to love.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It may not be a scam. There are a lot of these types of contribution sites 
 around, mainly because people are struggling with vet bills and animals that 
 are difficult to get adopted. Matter of fact, I am developing a site called 
 Community Cats in Crisis and going to try to get funds through YouCare, 
 another publicly used site for contributions. This is in answer to the fact 
 that several people in my independent rescue group have spent over $5,000 of 
 their own money dealing with illnesses and injuries of colony cats and 
 abandoned cats in our community. I am $3,000 down in my finances from two 
 rescued cats, one still surviving with bone cancer.  That said, these people 
 are going about this slightly backwards. They should first identify the 
 Sanctuary that has agreed to accept Alan so people can contact the Sanctuary 
 and see what it's all about. Then they need to find out where Alan will be 
 living at the Sanctuary and what other types of cats will be living
  with him. You wouldn't want to mix FeLv and FIV+ cats together. Anyone can 
 start a Sanctuary and take in cats. That's a problem. Here near San Antonio 
 there was an FeLv sanctuary. The woman had over 100 FeLv+ cats there, all 
 crammed into a small shed, with an outside enclosure that was smaller than a 
 small backyard. The rest of the property was a sheep ranch. She took very 
 poor care of the cats and did not separate those who were positive but not 
 active for the disease from those who were already showing signs of the 
 disease. The place was filthy, food was rotting or very low grade and 
 symptoms were not treated with medications. She had no certification as a 
 shelter or sanctuary or certified rescue group. Just a woman using part of 
 her sheep ranch to store FeLv+ cats. She would collect up to $2,000 per cat 
 and the people who released the cats to her care were shown a very nice 
 living room type area with several cats lounging about. They never saw the
  real place where she eventually crammed more and more cats.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary
 


 

 
Not to be a downer, but this screams scam to me. There is no specific 
sanctuary who has agreed to accept Alan (and surely they could get a decent 
picture of him?), nor any details. Way too nebulous. 
 
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but no, I wouldn't contribute to this
 
.-Original Message- 
From: dana giordano 
Sent: May 26, 2013 12:10 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary 


I've never seen one of these, but wanted to pass it on in case anyone wants 
to reach out to her, knows a sanctuary or wants to adopt.  


They have $700 out of $1000 raised with 20 days left 


http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alan-s-sanctuary



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[Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[dana giordano]

I've never seen one of these, but wanted to pass it on in case anyone wants
to reach out to her, knows a sanctuary or wants to adopt.

They have $700 out of $1000 raised with 20 days left

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alan-s-sanctuary

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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[Margo]

Not to be a downer, but this screams scam to me. There is no specific sanctuary who has agreed to accept Alan (and surely they could get a decent picture of him?), nor any details. Way too nebulous. 

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but no, I wouldn't contribute to this

.-Original Message- From: dana giordano <giordano.d...@gmail.com>Sent: May 26, 2013 12:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary 
I've never seen one of these, but wanted to pass it on in case anyone wants to reach out to her, knows a sanctuary or wants to adopt.

They have $700 out of $1000 raised with 20 days left

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alan-s-sanctuary

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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[Lee Evans]

It may not be a scam. There are a lot of these types of contribution sites 
around, mainly because people are struggling with vet bills and animals that 
are difficult to get adopted. Matter of fact, I am developing a site called 
Community Cats in Crisis and going to try to get funds through YouCare, another 
publicly used site for contributions. This is in answer to the fact that 
several people in my independent rescue group have spent over $5,000 of their 
own money dealing with illnesses and injuries of colony cats and abandoned cats 
in our community. I am $3,000 down in my finances from two rescued cats, one 
still surviving with bone cancer.  That said, these people are going about this 
slightly backwards. They should first identify the Sanctuary that has agreed to 
accept Alan so people can contact the Sanctuary and see what it's all about. 
Then they need to find out where Alan will be living at the Sanctuary and what 
other types of cats will be living
 with him. You wouldn't want to mix FeLv and FIV+ cats together. Anyone can 
start a Sanctuary and take in cats. That's a problem. Here near San Antonio 
there was an FeLv sanctuary. The woman had over 100 FeLv+ cats there, all 
crammed into a small shed, with an outside enclosure that was smaller than a 
small backyard. The rest of the property was a sheep ranch. She took very poor 
care of the cats and did not separate those who were positive but not active 
for the disease from those who were already showing signs of the disease. The 
place was filthy, food was rotting or very low grade and symptoms were not 
treated with medications. She had no certification as a shelter or sanctuary or 
certified rescue group. Just a woman using part of her sheep ranch to store 
FeLv+ cats. She would collect up to $2,000 per cat and the people who released 
the cats to her care were shown a very nice living room type area with several 
cats lounging about. They never saw the
 real place where she eventually crammed more and more cats.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary
 


 

 
Not to be a downer, but this screams scam to me. There is no specific 
sanctuary who has agreed to accept Alan (and surely they could get a decent 
picture of him?), nor any details. Way too nebulous. 
 
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but no, I wouldn't contribute to this
 
.-Original Message- 
From: dana giordano 
Sent: May 26, 2013 12:10 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary 


I've never seen one of these, but wanted to pass it on in case anyone wants 
to reach out to her, knows a sanctuary or wants to adopt.  


They have $700 out of $1000 raised with 20 days left 


http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alan-s-sanctuary



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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[Margo]

Hi Lee,

 I don't think the concept is wrong, and I agree with your thoughts. I headed a rescue for many years, and now have the remaining "un-adoptables" with me. Currently I need to expand, and erect housing and enclosure for another 20 some cats. My feed bills run over $500 a month, and the Vet bills can really mount up. I get the costs :). And the debt.

 I have contributed to sites like these, but before doing so, I verified the cause. I want the name of the place where the funds will be going. I want contact info. I want the Vet who is involved to be available to confirm diagnosis, andthat treatment is forth-coming,or on-going. I want to know if there will be additional costs, later. This "case" had several elements I consider red flags.

 As I said, Ihope that this is legitimate. Maybe they just don't know how to go about asking, as you said.FeLV is an unusual condition to be trying to "hook" the public with. It's not something laypeople would generally respond to as a place to allocate their charitble contributions. If NOT an actual need, better to use a cute, cuddly pup or kittenwith an extremely urgent need for medical attention. That's why I'm not condemning outright. I think a scam would be better organized, but who knows. Whatever the truth, I hope that Alan finds Sanctuary.

 Maybe the years have just made me reluctant to trust, but experience can be a bitter teacher.

All the best,

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com>Sent: May 26, 2013 1:17 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary 
It may not be a scam. There are a lot of these types of contribution sites around, mainly because people are struggling with vet bills and animals that are difficult to get adopted. Matter of fact, I am developing a site called Community Cats in Crisis and going to try to get funds through YouCare, another publicly used site for contributions. This is in answer to the fact that several people in my independent rescue group have spent over $5,000 of their own money dealing with illnesses and injuries of colony cats and abandoned cats in our community. I am $3,000 down in my finances from two rescued cats, one still surviving with bone cancer. That said, these people are going about this slightly backwards. They should first identify the Sanctuary that has agreed to accept Alan so people can contact the Sanctuary and see what it's all about. Then they need to find out where Alan will be living at the Sanctuary and what other types of cats will be living with him. You wouldn't want to mix FeLv and FIV+ cats together. Anyone can start a Sanctuary and take in cats. That's a problem. Here near San Antonio there was an FeLv sanctuary. The woman had over 100 FeLv+ cats there, all crammed into a small shed, with an outside enclosure that was smaller than a small backyard. The rest of the property was a sheep ranch. She took very poor care of the cats and did not separate those who were positive but not active for the disease from those who were already showing signs of the disease. The place was filthy, food was rotting or very low grade and symptoms were not treated with medications. She had no certification as a shelter or sanctuary or certified rescue group. Just a woman using part of her sheep ranch to store FeLv+ cats. She would collect up to $2,000 per cat and the people who released the cats to her care were shown a very nice living room type area with several cats lounging about. They never saw the real place where she eventually crammed more and more cats.


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Re: [Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?

[dlgegg]

Are they afraid of FELV?  can't you convince them to give her a chance?


 Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: 
 There is a place in Alexandria , va and its a lady who runs it outside her 
 home. I had found them after i rescued my little Kitty.
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 16:07, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  A section of my sanctuary is for FelV Pos. cats, but NY is probably too far
  away. I'm in WV, and actually I'm getting much too old (almost 80) to take
  on more cats.  I'm wondering why the people who were to adopt this kitten
  don't want it now. Unless of course they have other cats.
  
  Lorrie
  
  On 10-06, Natalie wrote:
  
Any advice for this rescue person?  Natalie
  
  Hi, please contact [1]wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info.
  
From: [2]wellbeing...@gmail.com [3]wellbeing...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: FeLeuk
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
  
 We have a darling kitten, who's been beautifully fostered and about to
 be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today.
 Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this 
  sweet kitty?
  
   Please let us know. Many thanks!
  
  
Ms. Gregg Mayer
  
Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist
500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor
Certified Pilates Instructor
[4]www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
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All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit
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  References
  
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2. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
3. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?

[Lorrie]

A section of my sanctuary is for FelV Pos. cats, but NY is probably too far
away. I'm in WV, and actually I'm getting much too old (almost 80) to take
on more cats.  I'm wondering why the people who were to adopt this kitten
don't want it now. Unless of course they have other cats.

Lorrie

On 10-06, Natalie wrote:
 
Any advice for this rescue person?  Natalie
 
  Hi, please contact [1]wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info.
 
From: [2]wellbeing...@gmail.com [3]wellbeing...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: FeLeuk
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
 
 We have a darling kitten, who's been beautifully fostered and about to
 be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today.
 Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this 
  sweet kitty?
 
   Please let us know. Many thanks!
 
 
Ms. Gregg Mayer
 
Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist
500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor
Certified Pilates Instructor
[4]www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
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(Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse)
All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit
organization in the United States
 
 References
 
1. http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com/
2. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
3. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?

[Maryam Ulomi]

There is a place in Alexandria , va and its a lady who runs it outside her 
home. I had found them after i rescued my little Kitty.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 6, 2012, at 16:07, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 A section of my sanctuary is for FelV Pos. cats, but NY is probably too far
 away. I'm in WV, and actually I'm getting much too old (almost 80) to take
 on more cats.  I'm wondering why the people who were to adopt this kitten
 don't want it now. Unless of course they have other cats.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-06, Natalie wrote:
 
   Any advice for this rescue person?  Natalie
 
 Hi, please contact [1]wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info.
 
   From: [2]wellbeing...@gmail.com [3]wellbeing...@gmail.com
   Subject: Re: FeLeuk
   Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
 
We have a darling kitten, who's been beautifully fostered and about to
be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today.
Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this 
 sweet kitty?
 
  Please let us know. Many thanks!
 
 
   Ms. Gregg Mayer
 
   Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist
   500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor
   Certified Pilates Instructor
   [4]www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
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   (Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse)
   All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit
   organization in the United States
 
 References
 
   1. http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com/
   2. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
   3. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com
   4. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
 
 
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[Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?

[Natalie]

 

Any advice for this rescue person?  Natalie


Hi, please contact wellbeing...@gmail.com 
http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com  if you have the info. 

From: wellbeing...@gmail.com wellbeing...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: FeLeuk
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM

We have a darling kitten,who's been beautifully fostered and about to be placed 
in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today.
Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this sweet kitty? 

Please let us know. Many thanks!

 

Ms. Gregg Mayer

Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist
500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor
Certified Pilates Instructor
www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/
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(Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse) 
All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit organization in 
the United States 

 

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[Felvtalk] Anyone near St. Johnsville, NY area that can help transport 2 FELV cats so I can get them to BF Sanctuary in Utah???

[Jamielynn Storch]

Hello friends!  I'm looking for some help transporting 2 FELV+ cats from
St. Johnsville, NY to the Cherry Hill NJ area this weekend (or
Monday/Tuesday).  If the cats can get to me they will be flying with me to
Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah Wed morning where they will get to
live out their lives in luxury.  I know it's a long shot but if anyone is
along the route or knows someone who might be and is willing to help with a
leg of transport please let me know!  We have some volunteers that can do
the legs pretty much from NYC area to Cherry Hill or from Scranton area to
NJ.I would hate for these guys to miss this awesome opportunity but I
just cant do the full drive back and forth to pick them up myself.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[C PQ]

FYI:  Here's another perspective on the situation:
From:  X [name removed]Sent: Tuesday,February 28,  2012 3:51 PMSubject: 
Craig  Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch
The below info isfound  at this link:  
https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard 
of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first 
thought  was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in 
over his  head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go.  The 
below  information has changed my perception of him.  No decent individual 
would  let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and 
clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 
501.3c funds that  should have been spent on the cats. Financial  Fraud
For an overview of embezzlement and  financial fraud click here here.
Records obtained through  the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is 
embezzling corporate funds  (donations) for personal use. There are numerous 
transactions on their 501(c)  not-for-profit account fortransactions such 
as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online 
clothing orders, online magazine orders,  gifts, etc.  The list goes on and on. 
Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash 
donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to 
eat.
In interviews Craig Grant has stated he  gets a $1000/month personal salary. 
Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary.  It is 
unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit 
corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats.
The IRS andAttorney General have been  notified.


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 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:37 -0600
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner 
 charged with cruelty
 
 I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder.  I 
 wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all 
 animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and 
 physically.
 
 
  Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter  had vet references. They had 
  good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over  got out of hand.
 
  
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
  From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged 
 with cruelty
  
 
 Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” 
 in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT.  There are 
 probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t 
 spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the 
 “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one!  She 
 was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the 
 lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous 
 officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her 
 home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for 
 cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a 
 hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow 
 stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed!  
 BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we 
 also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
 Natalie
  
 From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged 
 with cruelty
  
 I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, 
 but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. 
 Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[GRAS]

Thank you for sending this.  It makes it clear that this isn't just a case
of a mere getting over his head situation.he's a crook, plain and simple.
I'm glad that I never came across anyone like that, yet..Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of C PQ
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner
charged with cruelty

 

FYI:  Here's another perspective on the situation:

 

From:  X [name removed]

Sent: Tuesday,February 28,  2012 3:51 PM

Subject: Craig  Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch

 

The below info isfound  at this link:
https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties

 

Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at
Caboodle Ranch, my first thought  was that Craig Grant was just another
compassionate fool who got in over his  head because he couldn't turn away a
cat with nowhere to go.  The below  information has changed my perception of
him.  No decent individual would  let animals in his custody go without
needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous
expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that  should have been spent on
the cats.

 

Financial  Fraud

 

For an overview of embezzlement and  financial fraud click here here.

 

Records obtained through  the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is
embezzling corporate funds  (donations) for personal use. There are numerous
transactions on their 501(c)  not-for-profit account fortransactions
such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels,
online clothing orders, online magazine orders,  gifts, etc.  The list goes
on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record
cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people
out to eat.

 

In interviews Craig Grant has stated he  gets a $1000/month personal salary.
Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary.  It
is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a
not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the
care of cats.

 

The IRS andAttorney General have been  notified.

 

 


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 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:37 -0600
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner
charged with cruelty
 
 I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder. I
wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all
animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and
physically.
 
 
  Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter  had vet references. They
had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over  got out of hand.
 
  
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged
with cruelty
 
 
 Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a
rescuer/hoarder in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern
CT.  There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be
someone who doesn't spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care..therefore,
they may not be the typical hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was
definitely not one!  She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable
woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined
forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state
didn't even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment
that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell
you that there's a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of
business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed!

 BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings,
we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
 Natalie
  
 From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged
with cruelty
  
 I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on
that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are
hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[Marta Gasper]

Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at 
CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the 
authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all 
we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So 
at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and 
that is other people should take charge.
Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed.
I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, 
all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start 
looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was 
nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get 
that status?
I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives 
to the sanctuary_for that mistake.
Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.
Marta

http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

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From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 5:22 AM


When I first heard about Grant's place, I thought that it would bea good place 
to send my babies when I passed.  Thank God I changed my mind.  I have since 
fond a good place for my children.  If I see just a tad abnormal dischage 
from their eys, i is off to the vet.  How could he let them get so sick?  I 
know that with that many cats, he prpbably ran out of time and money to care 
for the, but he should have admtted he needed help for the sake of the cats.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 When will people learn not to dump their animals at these 
 sanctuaries??

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story
 
If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 
212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the 
morning.
 
Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene 
include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal 
Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida 
State 
Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.).
 
 
 
Celene Albano 
HPR Rescue 
CEO
501c3 Non-Profit.
Tax ID # 42-169-3737


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[GRAS]

It's very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions
allows things to go so wrong, doesn't ask for help.  But, to be fair, maybe
help that was asked for but never materialized..I know how people can be.
This also gives other groups a bad name.

I have MANY cats, but if donations don't come in, we happen to be lucky to
be able to  subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat
to get that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house
the cats in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how
many there are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) - and
that requires a tremendous amount of work. I don't want anyone to leave here
and spread rumors about a dirty, smelly house.. 

 I have also known about very hasty conclusions drawn by people who have
no idea what it's like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of
sick ones with very special needs.

In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was
president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she
was even out of bed.  They broke the glass on the door to open it from the
inside, barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up
things like this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food
for the cats, sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as
if that's an illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had
meds for the cats and treating them), and the list went on like that.  She
wasn't even allowed to tell them which meds were for which cats, and which
cats were the sick ones - they were going to have their vets determine that!
During this round-up, the poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals,
which they were NOT). She was not even allowed to visit them (including her
personal cats) that were put up at various places around the area, and by
the time of the court date, she owed the state over $130,000 in boarding and
vet fees. She wasn't able to pay that.  Many cats died during that time,
were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never knew
freedom..they were held as evidence. This all happened because a disgruntled
volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. 

Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged
with cruelty

 


Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help
at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do
fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we,
even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives
than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally,
healthwise..and that is other people should take charge.

Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is
needed.

I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be
non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one
can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I
know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should
have had to get that status?

I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their
lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake.

Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.

Marta

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[Beth]

I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.

 
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 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 

It’s very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions allows 
things to go so wrong, doesn’t ask for help.  But, to be fair, maybe help that 
was asked for but never materialized….I know how people can be. This also gives 
other groups a bad name.
I have MANY cats, but if donations don’t come in, we happen to be lucky to be 
able to  subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat to get 
that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house the cats 
in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how many there 
are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) – and that requires 
a tremendous amount of work. I don’t want anyone to leave here and spread 
rumors about a dirty, smelly house…. 
 I have also known about very “hasty” conclusions drawn by people who have no 
idea what it’s like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of sick 
ones with very special needs.
In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was 
president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she was 
even out of bed.  They broke the glass on the door to open it from the inside, 
barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up things like 
this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food for the cats, 
sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as if that’s an 
illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had meds for the cats 
and treating them), and the list went on like that.  She wasn’t even allowed to 
tell them which meds were for which cats, and which cats were the sick ones - 
they were going to have their vets determine that!   During this round-up, the 
poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals, which they were NOT)… She 
was not even allowed to visit them (including her personal cats) that were put 
up at various places
 around the area, and by the time of the court date, she owed the state over 
$130,000 in boarding and vet fees. She wasn’t able to pay that.  Many cats died 
during that time, were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never 
knew freedom….they were held as evidence. This all happened because a 
disgruntled volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. 
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 
Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at 
CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the 
authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all 
we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So 
at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and 
that is other people should take charge.
Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed.
I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, 
all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start 
looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was 
nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get 
that status?
I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives 
to the sanctuary_for that mistake.
Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.
Marta
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/





 
 
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[Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[GRAS]

Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in 
the 20 years of being involved in cat rescue in Southern CT.  There are 
probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t 
spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the 
“typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one!  She 
was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the 
lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous 
officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit 
vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her 
care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in 
CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, 
abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed!  

BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we 
also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty

 

I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[Beth]

The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter  had vet references. They had 
good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over  got out of hand.

 
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 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 

Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in 
the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT.  There are probably 
some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter 
nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders 
as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one!  She was extremely 
well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats 
in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a 
disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for 
the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on 
her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small 
cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded 
up and killed!  
BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we 
also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 
I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[Beth]

I rescued 26 cats from a hoarder in an apt here. Most were fixed. Some even had 
had extensive medical procedures in the past with lengthy vet records. The 
problem with hoarding is that people start with good intentions, but don't know 
when to stop. I know she loved the cats, she couldn't stop taking more. The 
cats started needing medicals attention she couldn't afford. Some of the cats 
were recently acquired. One had an eye bulging out of it's socket. Some had 
URI's. You could smell urine from the street.

It is a mental problem that needs to be treated. Arresting them  fining isn't 
going to solve the problem.
It is sad for the humans  animals.

 
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 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged 
with cruelty
 

When will people learn that just because something is in the paper does not 
make it so?  If people are spaying and neutering, they probably are not 
hoarders.  I did not realize this list had gotten so judgemental.  Ugh.



On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter  had vet references. They had 
good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over  got out of hand.

 
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 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged 
with cruelty
 


Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in 
the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT.  There are 
probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t 
spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the 
“typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one!  She 
was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the 
lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous 
officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit 
vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her 
care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in 
CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, 
abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed!  
BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we 
also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged 
with cruelty
 
I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, 
but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. 
Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
 
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Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[dlgegg]

I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder.  I wish 
I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all animals, but 
until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and physically.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter  had vet references. They had 
 good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over  got out of hand.

 
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 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 

Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in 
the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT.  There are probably 
some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter 
nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders 
as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one!  She was extremely 
well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats 
in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a 
disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for 
the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on 
her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small 
cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded 
up and killed!  
BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we 
also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with 
cruelty
 
I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[dlgegg]

When I first heard about Grant's place, I thought that it would bea good place 
to send my babies when I passed.  Thank God I changed my mind.  I have since 
fond a good place for my children.  If I see just a tad abnormal dischage 
from their eys, i is off to the vet.  How could he let them get so sick?  I 
know that with that many cats, he prpbably ran out of time and money to care 
for the, but he should have admtted he needed help for the sake of the cats.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 When will people learn not to dump their animals at these 
 sanctuaries??

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story
 
If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 
212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the 
morning.
 
Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene 
include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal 
Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida 
State 
Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.).
 
 
 
Celene Albano 
HPR Rescue 
CEO
501c3 Non-Profit.
Tax ID # 42-169-3737


 
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[Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

[Beth]

When will people learn not to dump their animals at these 
sanctuaries??

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story
 
If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 
212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the 
morning.
 
Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene 
include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal 
Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida 
State 
Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.).
 
 
 
Celene Albano 
HPR Rescue 
CEO
501c3 Non-Profit.
Tax ID # 42-169-3737


 
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[Felvtalk] Aslan's cats - FeLV sanctuary

[GRAS]

Do you remember the damage there was at this sanctuary after one of the
storms last year?  I got onto their mailing list because I chipped-in to
help.

Here's an update:

 

Please enjoy this winter update from Aslan's Cats. Again, we wish to thank
you for your continued interest and support. We will be writing new content
to our webpage, www.aslanscats.org, and Facebook page more frequently. We
hope you will visit us there to check in on the cats. Even if you cannot pet
them or hear their purrs, please know, your support allows for their
continued existence and they appreciate it - as do we! 

 

We do not share our list. Your name is one this list as a result of your
expressing interest or making a donation. If you would like to be removed
from this mailing, please let us know. We do not spam. Again, we are
grateful for your support - no donation or expressed interest is too small
or slight to make a difference in our cats' lives.

 

Unfortunately, I couldn't post the attachment because it was too big.if
anyone would like to see it, I can send to you, but not to list.

 

Natalie

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[dlgegg]

I go an update also.  Iam short on cash now, but am going to crochet come beds 
and toys to send.  Got lotsof yarn leftovers.  I recently found soe nice 
patterns on the web, they are easy so now I have a crochet project to work on.

 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 

 Do you remember the damage there was at this sanctuary after one of the
 storms last year?  I got onto their mailing list because I chipped-in to
 help.
 
 Here's an update:
 
  
 
 Please enjoy this winter update from Aslan's Cats. Again, we wish to thank
 you for your continued interest and support. We will be writing new content
 to our webpage, www.aslanscats.org, and Facebook page more frequently. We
 hope you will visit us there to check in on the cats. Even if you cannot pet
 them or hear their purrs, please know, your support allows for their
 continued existence and they appreciate it - as do we! 
 
  
 
 We do not share our list. Your name is one this list as a result of your
 expressing interest or making a donation. If you would like to be removed
 from this mailing, please let us know. We do not spam. Again, we are
 grateful for your support - no donation or expressed interest is too small
 or slight to make a difference in our cats' lives.
 
  
 
 Unfortunately, I couldn't post the attachment because it was too big.if
 anyone would like to see it, I can send to you, but not to list.
 
  
 
 Natalie
 


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[Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

[Natalie]

Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary

Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a  MAILING, I WILL POST
SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS!

I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO!




They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:

10  50lb bags of dry food  
15 litter boxes
30 cases of canned food
20 cat beds
cat trees and condos
scratching posts
She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 
1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
TOWELS

 
Please go to www.aslanscats.org

Or send donations to:


Aslans cats,
486 west main street,
Catskill, NY  12414.

Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

[Kelley Saveika]

Those medicines  are prescription...even the Ringers:(

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary**
 **

 Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a  MAILING, I WILL
 POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS!

 I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO!

 *They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:*

 10  50lb bags of dry food
 15 litter boxes
 30 cases of canned food
 20 cat beds
 cat trees and condos
 scratching posts
 She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
 Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
 doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C,
 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
 TOWELS


 Please go to www.aslanscats.org

 Or send donations to:


 Aslans cats,
 486 west main street,
 Catskill, NY  12414.

 Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.

 

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Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


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can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
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Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

[Kelley Saveika]

Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c  syringes are not.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Those medicines  are prescription...even the Ringers:(

 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary*
 ***

 Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a  MAILING, I WILL
 POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS!

 I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO!

 *They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:*

 10  50lb bags of dry food
 15 litter boxes
 30 cases of canned food
 20 cat beds
 cat trees and condos
 scratching posts
 She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
 Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
 doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C,
 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
 TOWELS


 Please go to www.aslanscats.org

 Or send donations to:


 Aslans cats,
 486 west main street,
 Catskill, NY  12414.

 Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.

 

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 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

 Please help Trooper!

 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

 - Nathan Winograd




-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

- Nathan Winograd
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Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

[Kelley Saveika]

Also they should contact Petcothey give disaster grants

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c  syringes are not.


 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.comwrote:

 Those medicines  are prescription...even the Ringers:(

 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary
 

 Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a  MAILING, I WILL
 POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS!

 I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO!

 *They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:
 *

 10  50lb bags of dry food
 15 litter boxes
 30 cases of canned food
 20 cat beds
 cat trees and condos
 scratching posts
 She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
 Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
 doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C,
 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
 TOWELS


 Please go to www.aslanscats.org

 Or send donations to:


 Aslans cats,
 486 west main street,
 Catskill, NY  12414.

 Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.

 

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 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

 Please help Trooper!

 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

 - Nathan Winograd




 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

 Please help Trooper!

 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

 - Nathan Winograd




-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.

- Nathan Winograd
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Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

[Edna Taylor]

People can donate money so she can get the prescription meds :)

Edna
 



From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:18:14 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

Also they should contact Petcothey give disaster grants


On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c  syringes are not.





On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Those medicines  are prescription...even the Ringers:(





On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:







Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary
Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a  MAILING, I WILL POST 
SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS!
I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO!






They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:

10  50lb bags of dry food  
15 litter boxes
30 cases of canned food
20 cat beds
cat trees and condos
scratching posts
She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 
1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
TOWELS
 
Please go to www.aslanscats.org

Or send donations to:

Aslans cats,
486 west main street,
Catskill, NY  12414.

Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.


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Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
Please help Trooper!
 
http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t 
complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit 
down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.


- Nathan Winograd


-- 

Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
Please help Trooper!
 
http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t 
complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit 
down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.


- Nathan Winograd

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[Felvtalk] FeLV cat sanctuary damaged by Irene in desperatenNe - NOW!!

[Natalie]

Due to Irene tragedy, they need help desperately.

Flooded, manager dragged away against her will, 7 cats drowned, 60 FeLV+
remain to be taken care of.  Catskills, NY.

http://aslanscats.org/

Please cross post and help, even if only a few $$$!

Thank you, 

Natalie - Photos of before and after available to anyone - this site cannot
accept large mailings.

They lost all their possessions in the flood:  food, litter, beds,
scratching posts, condos, MEDICINE and a new front loading washer and dryer.
They don't even know the status of their other appliances yet because they
don't have the electricity to plug them in.

The entire basement was under water and the first floor had 4 feet of water
and was filled with mud.   Prior to the flood, this was a beautiful house
and the cats could go freely from inside into spectacular fenced in yard
with a specially outfitted shed that the cats really enjoyed.  The yard, the
shed and the fencing were severely damaged by 10 feet of water.  The fencing
will need repair before the cats can enjoy the yard again.  They still don't
have full electricity back yet and the interior walls are in the midst of
being torn down because of mold forming.  The basement is unusable now.

Please consider helping the surviving 60 cats!  They need monetary donations
as well as material donations.  THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO, so they have been
living in horrible conditions since the storm.  

Please click through to their website and you will find their donate button.


They need to replace all of these lost items:

10  50-lb bags of dry food  
15 litter boxes
30 cases of canned food
20 cat beds
cat trees and condos
scratching posts
She lost $3,000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 
1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
TOWELS

 
Please go to www.aslanscats.org

Or send donations to:


Aslans cats,
486 west main street,
Catskill, NY  12414.

Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.

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[Felvtalk] Sending this in several parts: FeLV cat sanctuary damaged by Irene in desperatenNe - NOW!!

[Natalie]

 

I thought this site can accept up to 30 KB, this whole thing was only 17 KB
and was not accepted.

 

Due to Irene tragedy, they need help desperately.

Flooded, manager dragged away against her will, 7 cats drowned, 60 FeLV+
remain to be taken care of.  Catskills, NY.

Please cross post and help, even if only a few $$$!

Thank you, 

Natalie - Photos of before and after available to anyone - this site cannot
accept large mailings.

They lost all their possessions in the flood:  food, litter, beds,
scratching posts, condos, MEDICINE and a new front loading washer and dryer.
They don't even know the status of their other appliances yet because they
don't have the electricity to plug them in.

The entire basement was under water and the first floor had 4 feet of water
and was filled with mud.   Prior to the flood, this was a beautiful house
and the cats could go freely from inside into spectacular fenced in yard
with a specially outfitted shed that the cats really enjoyed.  The yard, the
shed and the fencing were severely damaged by 10 feet of water.  The fencing
will need repair before the cats can enjoy the yard again.  They still don't
have full electricity back yet and the interior walls are in the midst of
being torn down because of mold forming.  The basement is unusable now.

Please consider helping the surviving 60 cats!  They need monetary donations
as well as material donations.  THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO, so they have been
living in horrible conditions since the storm.  




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[Felvtalk] Sending this in several parts: FeLV cat sanctuary damaged by Irene in desperatenNe - NOW!!

[Natalie]

I thought this site can accept up to 30 KB, this whole thing was actually
only 12 KB and was not accepted.

 

Please click through to their website and you will find their donate button.
http://www.aslanscats.org www.aslanscats.org

Or send donations to:


Aslans cats,
486 west main street,
Catskill, NY  12414.

Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.

They need to replace all of these lost items:

10  50-lb bags of dry food  
15 litter boxes
30 cases of canned food
20 cat beds
cat trees and condos
scratching posts
She lost $3,000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 
1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
TOWELS

 





 

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[Felvtalk] Another Sanctuary Closing if anyone has taken cats there

[Beth]

If you brought cats to Haven Acres and wish to reclaim them, this is the 
contact person for that.
Alachua County Animal Services, Jessica 
Lauginiger.  352-264-6870


Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Katy Doyle]

My Buddy was 4-5 weeks old when he tested positive the first time. I assume
he got it so young because his mother has it. (I never found the mother, so
I don't know what happened to her.) But Buddy is almost 2 years old now and
is still very healthy (aside from testing positive)!

There is always hope with FeLV because it acts differently with every cat,
it seems. =^_^=

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 That's FANTASTIC!  That means that the kittens will NOT be...they are still
 developing their immune system and will shed whatever small amount of it
 shows...just like with FIV moms' kittens!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:47 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens


 Got the results of the IFA on the mother.  She is negative.  I told them we
 have to re-test again in a month or two because we have to have two tests
 that agree.  Since the second ELISA is showing positive but the IFA is
 negative I told them we need to give her a little longer before making a
 conclusive determination.  I hoping her immune system will extinguish the
 virus.

 Someone on here once said they had a positive mama cat with a negative
 kitten and a positive kitten.  The positive kitten died young of course but
 the negative kitten and the positive mama cat were still around and
 healthy.
 I would think that would be the exception rather than the rule.  But, two
 of
 this mama cat's four kittens have tested negative on their first ELISA so
 I'm hoping the next ELISA will show the same thing and they'll be part of
 the small minority that didn't get it from the mother cat.

 Yeah, I know about FIV and thank the Lord it is a little less scary than
 FeLV.  I have an FIV positive male in my house so I learned all about it
 too.



 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain



  Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:24:28 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
  Unfortunately, if the mother is FeLV positive, the kittens are too! I
 have
 yet to hear or read otherwise.
  With FIV, that is not the case, fortunately.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance
 Meows
  Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:20 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; molvey...@hotmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
  Please contact me in reference to these 2
 
  Michael Johnson
  Founder/Owner
  Second Chance Meows
  A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
  
  From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 
  My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a
 place
 to go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV
 sanctuaries nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been
 fostering them is willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA
 and goes up there several times a year so driving a distance isn't a
 problem
 for her.  Plus we have other people who can drive them to various other
 states.  The kittens will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My
 rescue
 is a very small group.  We don't have a shelter facility, we just have
 foster homes.  We don't have a long term place for the kittens.  Can anyone
 help or offer suggestions?
 
  We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had
 two positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.
 Because of that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really
 positive.  Think we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that
 they
 are truly positive but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have
 tested
 negative on their first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?
 Do you guys think those kittens could really be negative or is it more
 likely that it just isn't showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've
 heard
 some of you say that you had a positive and a negative kitten that were
 littermates that came from a positive mother cat.  But does that happen
 very
 often?
 
  Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the
 kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry
 about
 the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens
 and will hold them until they can be re-tested.
 
  I am

[Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Maureen Olvey]

My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place to 
go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV sanctuaries 
nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been fostering them is 
willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA and goes up there 
several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem for her.  Plus we 
have other people who can drive them to various other states.  The kittens will 
be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My rescue is a very small group.  We 
don't have a shelter facility, we just have foster homes.  We don't have a long 
term place for the kittens.  Can anyone help or offer suggestions?

We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two 
positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.  Because of 
that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive.  Think 
we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that they are truly positive 
but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have tested negative on their 
first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?  Do you guys think 
those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that it just isn't 
showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've heard some of you say that you had 
a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that came from a 
positive mother cat.  But does that happen very often?

Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about 
the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens and 
will hold them until they can be re-tested.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

  
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[Second Chance Meows]

Please contact me in reference to these 2
 
Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary



From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens


My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place to 
go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV sanctuaries 
nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been fostering them is 
willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA and goes up there 
several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem for her.  Plus we 
have other people who can drive them to various other states.  The kittens will 
be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My rescue is a very small group.  We 
don't have a shelter facility, we just have foster homes.  We don't have a long 
term place for the kittens.  Can anyone help or offer suggestions?

We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two 
positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.  Because of 
that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive.  Think 
we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that they are truly positive 
but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have tested negative on their 
first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?  Do you guys think 
those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that it just isn't 
showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've heard some of you say that you had 
a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that came from a 
positive mother cat.  But does that happen very often?

Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about 
the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens and 
will hold them until they can be re-tested.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

                          
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Natalie]

Unfortunately, if the mother is FeLV positive, the kittens are too! I have yet 
to hear or read otherwise.
With FIV, that is not the case, fortunately.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

Please contact me in reference to these 2
 
Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary



From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens


My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place to 
go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV sanctuaries 
nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been fostering them is 
willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA and goes up there 
several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem for her.  Plus we 
have other people who can drive them to various other states.  The kittens will 
be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My rescue is a very small group.  We 
don't have a shelter facility, we just have foster homes.  We don't have a long 
term place for the kittens.  Can anyone help or offer suggestions?

We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two 
positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.  Because of 
that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive.  Think 
we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that they are truly positive 
but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have tested negative on their 
first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?  Do you guys think 
those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that it just isn't 
showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've heard some of you say that you had 
a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that came from a 
positive mother cat.  But does that happen very often?

Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about 
the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens and 
will hold them until they can be re-tested.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Maureen Olvey]

Got the results of the IFA on the mother.  She is negative.  I told them we 
have to re-test again in a month or two because we have to have two tests that 
agree.  Since the second ELISA is showing positive but the IFA is negative I 
told them we need to give her a little longer before making a conclusive 
determination.  I hoping her immune system will extinguish the virus.

Someone on here once said they had a positive mama cat with a negative kitten 
and a positive kitten.  The positive kitten died young of course but the 
negative kitten and the positive mama cat were still around and healthy.  I 
would think that would be the exception rather than the rule.  But, two of this 
mama cat's four kittens have tested negative on their first ELISA so I'm hoping 
the next ELISA will show the same thing and they'll be part of the small 
minority that didn't get it from the mother cat.  

Yeah, I know about FIV and thank the Lord it is a little less scary than FeLV.  
I have an FIV positive male in my house so I learned all about it too.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:24:28 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 Unfortunately, if the mother is FeLV positive, the kittens are too! I have 
 yet to hear or read otherwise.
 With FIV, that is not the case, fortunately.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:20 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; molvey...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 Please contact me in reference to these 2
  
 Michael Johnson
 Founder/Owner
 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 
 My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place to 
 go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV sanctuaries 
 nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been fostering them is 
 willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA and goes up there 
 several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem for her.  Plus we 
 have other people who can drive them to various other states.  The kittens 
 will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My rescue is a very small 
 group.  We don't have a shelter facility, we just have foster homes.  We 
 don't have a long term place for the kittens.  Can anyone help or offer 
 suggestions?
 
 We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two 
 positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.  Because 
 of that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive.  
 Think we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that they are truly 
 positive but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have tested negative 
 on their first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?  Do you 
 guys think those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that 
 it just isn't showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've heard some of you 
 say that you had a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that 
 came from a positive mother cat.  But does that happen very often?
 
 Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
 kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about 
 the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens 
 and will hold them until they can be re-tested.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Lynda Wilson]

Maureen,

I am s happy for you.  I will hope as well that her immune system 
extinguishes the virus, quickly! Keep us posted. I do the second test on my 
adult cat that was exposed (as you know) in 10 more daysyes, I'm 
counting!!


Good luck to you and all of your kitties. It's such a blessing to have 
animals in life :0)


Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens



Got the results of the IFA on the mother.  She is negative.  I told them we 
have to re-test again in a month or two because we have to have two tests 
that agree.  Since the second ELISA is showing positive but the IFA is 
negative I told them we need to give her a little longer before making a 
conclusive determination.  I hoping her immune system will extinguish the 
virus.


Someone on here once said they had a positive mama cat with a negative 
kitten and a positive kitten.  The positive kitten died young of course but 
the negative kitten and the positive mama cat were still around and healthy. 
I would think that would be the exception rather than the rule.  But, two of 
this mama cat's four kittens have tested negative on their first ELISA so 
I'm hoping the next ELISA will show the same thing and they'll be part of 
the small minority that didn't get it from the mother cat.


Yeah, I know about FIV and thank the Lord it is a little less scary than 
FeLV.  I have an FIV positive male in my house so I learned all about it 
too.




“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain





Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:24:28 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

Unfortunately, if the mother is FeLV positive, the kittens are too! I have 
yet to hear or read otherwise.

With FIV, that is not the case, fortunately.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance 
Meows

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

Please contact me in reference to these 2

Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary



From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens


My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place 
to go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV 
sanctuaries nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been 
fostering them is willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA 
and goes up there several times a year so driving a distance isn't a 
problem for her.  Plus we have other people who can drive them to various 
other states.  The kittens will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered. 
My rescue is a very small group.  We don't have a shelter facility, we 
just have foster homes.  We don't have a long term place for the kittens. 
Can anyone help or offer suggestions?


We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had 
two positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her. 
Because of that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really 
positive.  Think we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that 
they are truly positive but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have 
tested negative on their first ELISA.  How long should we wait before 
re-testing?  Do you guys think those kittens could really be negative or 
is it more likely that it just isn't showing up yet for some reason?  I 
know I've heard some of you say that you had a positive and a negative 
kitten that were littermates that came from a positive mother cat.  But 
does that happen very often?


Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry 
about the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative 
kittens and will hold them until they can be re-tested.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain



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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Lynda Wilson]

I found this link:

http://felvpositivefelines.org/database.shtml


- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens



My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place 
to go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV 
sanctuaries nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been 
fostering them is willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA 
and goes up there several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem 
for her.  Plus we have other people who can drive them to various other 
states.  The kittens will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My rescue 
is a very small group.  We don't have a shelter facility, we just have 
foster homes.  We don't have a long term place for the kittens.  Can anyone 
help or offer suggestions?


We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two 
positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.  Because 
of that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive. 
Think we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that they are truly 
positive but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have tested negative 
on their first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?  Do you 
guys think those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that 
it just isn't showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've heard some of you 
say that you had a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that 
came from a positive mother cat.  But does that happen very often?


Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about 
the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens 
and will hold them until they can be re-tested.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain



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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[czadna sacarawicz]

Blind Cat Rescue and Sanctuary in St. Pauls, NC

m


 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:33:02 -0400
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 
 My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place to 
 go. I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV sanctuaries 
 nearby or even in the whole state. The lady who has been fostering them is 
 willing to drive almost anywhere. She has family in PA and goes up there 
 several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem for her. Plus we 
 have other people who can drive them to various other states. The kittens 
 will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered. My rescue is a very small group. 
 We don't have a shelter facility, we just have foster homes. We don't have a 
 long term place for the kittens. Can anyone help or offer suggestions?
 
 We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had two 
 positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her. Because of 
 that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really positive. Think 
 we should do an IFA test on them? I feel certain that they are truly positive 
 but who knows. Also two of their littermates have tested negative on their 
 first ELISA. How long should we wait before re-testing? Do you guys think 
 those kittens could really be negative or is it more likely that it just 
 isn't showing up yet for some reason? I know I've heard some of you say that 
 you had a positive and a negative kitten that were littermates that came from 
 a positive mother cat. But does that happen very often?
 
 Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the 
 kittens. We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about 
 the kittens. Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens 
 and will hold them until they can be re-tested.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens

[Natalie]

That's FANTASTIC!  That means that the kittens will NOT be...they are still
developing their immune system and will shed whatever small amount of it
shows...just like with FIV moms' kittens!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens


Got the results of the IFA on the mother.  She is negative.  I told them we
have to re-test again in a month or two because we have to have two tests
that agree.  Since the second ELISA is showing positive but the IFA is
negative I told them we need to give her a little longer before making a
conclusive determination.  I hoping her immune system will extinguish the
virus.

Someone on here once said they had a positive mama cat with a negative
kitten and a positive kitten.  The positive kitten died young of course but
the negative kitten and the positive mama cat were still around and healthy.
I would think that would be the exception rather than the rule.  But, two of
this mama cat's four kittens have tested negative on their first ELISA so
I'm hoping the next ELISA will show the same thing and they'll be part of
the small minority that didn't get it from the mother cat.  

Yeah, I know about FIV and thank the Lord it is a little less scary than
FeLV.  I have an FIV positive male in my house so I learned all about it
too.



I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:24:28 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 Unfortunately, if the mother is FeLV positive, the kittens are too! I have
yet to hear or read otherwise.
 With FIV, that is not the case, fortunately.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance
Meows
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:20 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; molvey...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 Please contact me in reference to these 2
  
 Michael Johnson
 Founder/Owner
 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Need Sanctuary for Kittens
 
 
 My rescue group has two 8 week old FeLV positive kittens that need a place
to go.  I'm in the Atlanta area but I don't think there are any FeLV
sanctuaries nearby or even in the whole state.  The lady who has been
fostering them is willing to drive almost anywhere.  She has family in PA
and goes up there several times a year so driving a distance isn't a problem
for her.  Plus we have other people who can drive them to various other
states.  The kittens will be fully vetted and spayed or neutered.  My rescue
is a very small group.  We don't have a shelter facility, we just have
foster homes.  We don't have a long term place for the kittens.  Can anyone
help or offer suggestions?
 
 We've only had one ELISA test done on the kittens but the mother cat had
two positive ELISA tests and we're waiting on the IFA results for her.
Because of that I'm thinking the kittens who tested positive are really
positive.  Think we should do an IFA test on them?  I feel certain that they
are truly positive but who knows.  Also two of their littermates have tested
negative on their first ELISA.  How long should we wait before re-testing?
Do you guys think those kittens could really be negative or is it more
likely that it just isn't showing up yet for some reason?  I know I've heard
some of you say that you had a positive and a negative kitten that were
littermates that came from a positive mother cat.  But does that happen very
often?
 
 Please let me know if anyone can put me in touch with a sanctuary for the
kittens.  We might need one for the mother but for now I'll just worry about
the kittens.  Oh, we do have someone who is taking the two negative kittens
and will hold them until they can be re-tested.
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 
   
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[Felvtalk] The Last Post Sanctuary

[Lorrie]

I e-mailed them twice a few mohths ago but never had a reply,
so I figured they were full up, but I'll try again.


On 03-03, Natalie wrote:
 Last I heard, the place in CT asks $5,000 per cat to retire there.  I posted
 it previously; if it's closer to you, why not call and speak to them? 
 
 Last Post Animal Sanctuary  
 Jeanne Tommey 
 95 Beldon St. 
 Falls Village, CT 06031 
 (860) 824-0831
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:11 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)
 
  I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you.
  The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
  California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love
  to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey
  http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true
  love for cats.
 
 Hi Frank,  Both of these sanctuaries look great to me, but Kings is 
 too far from us and when I contacted Tabby's Place they wanted 
 $15,000 for each cat.  I realize how much it costs to properly care
 for a cat during it's life, but with 14 cats at home there is no way
 I could afford this!
 
 In contrast when I contacted Caboodle Ranch in Florida I was told it
 was only $150. for each cat.. Way, way too little.  They also
 take in an unlimited number of cats, which also raised a red flag!!
 What is so strange is the lady I contacted at Caboodle said I was
 the FIRST person to say their fee was too low.  She said everyone
 else said it cost too much.  Do you believe this?  I don't.
 
 Anyway, thanks for writing.  I meant to get back to you sooner.
 
 Lorrie in Eastern WV
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] The Last Post Sanctuary

[Natalie]

Why don't you try calling them instead - you can get all your questions
answered at one time! Good luck!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] The Last Post Sanctuary

I e-mailed them twice a few mohths ago but never had a reply,
so I figured they were full up, but I'll try again.


On 03-03, Natalie wrote:
 Last I heard, the place in CT asks $5,000 per cat to retire there.  I
posted
 it previously; if it's closer to you, why not call and speak to them? 
 
 Last Post Animal Sanctuary  
 Jeanne Tommey 
 95 Beldon St. 
 Falls Village, CT 06031 
 (860) 824-0831
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:11 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries (for Frank)
 
  I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death as you.
  The two best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
  California http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/ -where I would love
  to live myself, and Tabby's Place in New Jersey
  http://www.tabbysplace.org/ Both of these organizations have a true
  love for cats.
 
 Hi Frank,  Both of these sanctuaries look great to me, but Kings is 
 too far from us and when I contacted Tabby's Place they wanted 
 $15,000 for each cat.  I realize how much it costs to properly care
 for a cat during it's life, but with 14 cats at home there is no way
 I could afford this!
 
 In contrast when I contacted Caboodle Ranch in Florida I was told it
 was only $150. for each cat.. Way, way too little.  They also
 take in an unlimited number of cats, which also raised a red flag!!
 What is so strange is the lady I contacted at Caboodle said I was
 the FIRST person to say their fee was too low.  She said everyone
 else said it cost too much.  Do you believe this?  I don't.
 
 Anyway, thanks for writing.  I meant to get back to you sooner.
 
 Lorrie in Eastern WV
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Beth]

Unfortunatly a lot of sanctuaries are run by hoarders. There was one near me 
who was a 501c, but really was nothing but a hoarder with a rescue license. 
Not all sanctuaries are this way, but you can only be sure by visiting  
keeping in contact with the people.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:17 PM

This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed business model.  A 
sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care  So they fill up fast and, as 
the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain.  And usually 
the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes 
because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes 
because they simply have a hard time saying no.  This is just not a 
sustainable model.

The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population.  And they very 
often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing 
animals in good homes.  You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to 
decrease the population.  It becomes unwieldy very quickly.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
 
 There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand
 knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still
 take their cats there.  It is called Cat Nap Estates
 and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for
 potted plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a
 couple of months while we were moving and our house was
 being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they
 came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. 
 The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of
 her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it
 away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and
 some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats
 were in the general population.  I have heard other
 horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others
 too.
  
 She may have started out with good intentions, but the road
 to h*ll is paved with good intentions.
  
  
  Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
  From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal
 'Sanctuary'
  
  This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out
 Sanctuaries This happens time  again. 
  
  Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
  
  
  
  
  From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com
 
  [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of 
  kitty.cat
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
  To: 
  spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com;
 atlanta Rescue Groups
  Cc: 
  georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
  Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Natalie]

The only place I know of that has truly been run successfully for a long time 
is The Last Post, but even there, I question a few things: 
https://www.thelastpostonline.org/Home_Page.html , it's really a retirement 
place for cats.,  It costs quite a lot of money to place a cat there, and 
mostly cats whose owners died and made provisions, end up there. The cost is 
determined by age, health of cat, projecting associated costs, etc. A friend 
placed two semi-feral cats there for a few thousand dollars - but not many can 
afford to do this.
I know of one on Long Island for FIV/FeLV cats - they mix them, which I don't 
do, and it seems great on paper and website, but is really awful!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

Thank you Susan, some of us do keep our population to a minimum to avoid these 
issues.  Sanctuaries like ours  run solely on fees and donations or our pockets 
so we know how hard it can be. 

 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary


From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed business model.  A 
sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care  So they fill up fast and, as 
the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain.  And usually 
the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes 
because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes 
because they simply have a hard time saying no.  This is just not a 
sustainable model.

The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population.  And they very 
often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing 
animals in good homes.  You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to 
decrease the population.  It becomes unwieldy very quickly.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
 
 There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand
 knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still
 take their cats there.  It is called Cat Nap Estates
 and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for
 potted plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a
 couple of months while we were moving and our house was
 being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they
 came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. 
 The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of
 her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it
 away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and
 some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats
 were in the general population.  I have heard other
 horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others
 too.
  
 She may have started out with good intentions, but the road
 to h*ll is paved with good intentions.
  
  
  Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
  From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal
 'Sanctuary'
  
  This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out
 Sanctuaries This happens time  again. 
  
  Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
  
  
  
  
  From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com
 
  [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of 
  kitty.cat
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
  To: 
  spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com;
 atlanta Rescue Groups
  Cc: 
  georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
  Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  

  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
  AM
  Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  A PETA 
  undercover investigation exposed the chronic
 deprivation and 
  suffering 
  of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy,
 stifling, 
  dungeon-like, 
  disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
  Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
  Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
  
   The operator of this so-called 
  quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
   cruel, disgusting 
  conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
   conditions for 
  years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
   convulsing and dying 
  in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
   repeated offers for 
  free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky
 
   in a filthy 
  bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the
 cat 
   finally 
  died.
  
   Please

[Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Beth]

This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens 
time  again. 

Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   




From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kitty.cat
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
To: 
spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups
Cc: 
georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'


  




- Original Message - 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
AM
Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

A PETA 
undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and 
suffering 
of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, 
dungeon-like, 
disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

 The operator of this so-called 
quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
 cruel, disgusting 
conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
 conditions for 
years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
 convulsing and dying 
in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
 repeated offers for 
free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky 
 in a filthy 
bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat 
 finally 
died.

 Please click the link below to help end the suffering and 
death of cats at 
 SVAS now!

 To take action on this 
issue, click on the link below:
 http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..amp;id=3583
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Debbie Bates]

One of my cats came from a sanctuaryafter having been deemed 
unadoptable by the group who initially rescued her .  I  fostered this tiny, 
pregnant, emaciated kitten in my home and cared for her and (later) her babies, 
who eventually went up for adoption.  In the 6 weeks after she left my home and 
was taken there (when the place was shut down by law enforcement) she had lost 
two pounds...though she was underweight to begin with, had lost a canine tooth 
and had an upper respiratory infection.  I drove the three hours down to get 
her back, brought her home and nursed her back to healthand otherwise left 
her to adjust on her own.  Now, barely 18 months later, she is healthy and 
robust...and even allows me to pet her.  She will never be a lap cat, but I 
can live with that...just to see her thrive and be happy is good enough for me. 
 And this story is just one of manyI am sure some sanctuarys are just that, 
but they are the exception, I fear!

Debbie 
~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ 


 
 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 
 This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens 
 time  again. 
 
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
 
 
 
 
 From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 kitty.cat
 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
 To: 
 spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups
 Cc: 
 georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
 Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
 AM
 Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 
 A PETA 
 undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and 
 suffering 
 of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, 
 dungeon-like, 
 disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
 Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
 Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
 
  The operator of this so-called 
 quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
  cruel, disgusting 
 conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
  conditions for 
 years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
  convulsing and dying 
 in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
  repeated offers for 
 free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky 
  in a filthy 
 bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat 
  finally 
 died.
 
  Please click the link below to help end the suffering and 
 death of cats at 
  SVAS now!
 
  To take action on this 
 issue, click on the link below:
  http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..amp;id=3583
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Edna Taylor]

There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of what a 
horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there.  It is called Cat 
Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for potted 
plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of months while we were 
moving and our house was being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they 
came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified.  The vet said she didn't 
think the female was ever let out of her carrier because it stunk so badly they 
had to throw it away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of 
the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats were in the general 
population.  I have heard other horror stories about her and her sanctuary 
from others too.
 
She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is paved 
with good intentions.
 
 
 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 
 This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens 
 time  again. 
 
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
 
 
 
 
 From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 kitty.cat
 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
 To: 
 spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups
 Cc: 
 georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
 Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
 AM
 Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 
 A PETA 
 undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and 
 suffering 
 of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, 
 dungeon-like, 
 disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
 Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
 Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
 
  The operator of this so-called 
 quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
  cruel, disgusting 
 conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
  conditions for 
 years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
  convulsing and dying 
 in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
  repeated offers for 
 free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky 
  in a filthy 
 bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat 
  finally 
 died.
 
  Please click the link below to help end the suffering and 
 death of cats at 
  SVAS now!
 
  To take action on this 
 issue, click on the link below:
  http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..amp;id=3583
  
 If the text above does not appear as a link or it wraps across multiple 
  
 lines, then copy and paste it into the address area of your 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Bonnie Hogue]

I couldn't watch the video of this...started to look at the photos but 
couldn'tI hope this person goes to jail!
Wouldn't it be far better for people to sponsor a massive (and I mean 
massive) spay/neuter campaign than to spend money keeping these poor 
creatures in a tormenting prison of filth and anguish?

This is one of the saddest things in this world...
~B.
- Original Message - 
From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'




There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of 
what a horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there.  It 
is called Cat Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should 
not care for potted plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of 
months while we were moving and our house was being built.  They went 
completely vetted, yet they came back with a litney of illnesses and so 
terrified.  The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of 
her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it away.  I called 
the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of the cats tested positive 
for Feluk and these cats were in the general population.  I have heard 
other horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others too.


She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is 
paved with good intentions.




Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This 
happens time  again.


Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org




From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
kitty.cat
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
To:
spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups
Cc:
georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats
Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'







- Original Message - 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48

AM
Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

A PETA
undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and
suffering
of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling,
dungeon-like,
disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal
Sanctuary (SVAS) in
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

 The operator of this so-called
quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in
 cruel, disgusting
conditions. Many of the animals have endured these
 conditions for
years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found
 convulsing and dying
in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused
 repeated offers for
free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky
 in a filthy
bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat
 finally
died.

 Please click the link below to help end the suffering and
death of cats at
 SVAS now!

 To take action on this
issue, click on the link below:
 http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..amp;id=3583

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lines, then copy and paste it into the address area of your
browser.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Susan Hoffman]

This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed business model.  A 
sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care  So they fill up fast and, as 
the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain.  And usually 
the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes 
because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes 
because they simply have a hard time saying no.  This is just not a 
sustainable model.

The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population.  And they very 
often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing 
animals in good homes.  You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to 
decrease the population.  It becomes unwieldy very quickly.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
 
 There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand
 knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still
 take their cats there.  It is called Cat Nap Estates
 and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for
 potted plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a
 couple of months while we were moving and our house was
 being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they
 came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. 
 The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of
 her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it
 away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and
 some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats
 were in the general population.  I have heard other
 horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others
 too.
  
 She may have started out with good intentions, but the road
 to h*ll is paved with good intentions.
  
  
  Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
  From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal
 'Sanctuary'
  
  This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out
 Sanctuaries This happens time  again. 
  
  Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
  
  
  
  
  From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com
 
  [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of 
  kitty.cat
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
  To: 
  spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com;
 atlanta Rescue Groups
  Cc: 
  georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
  Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
  AM
  Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  A PETA 
  undercover investigation exposed the chronic
 deprivation and 
  suffering 
  of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy,
 stifling, 
  dungeon-like, 
  disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
  Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
  Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
  
   The operator of this so-called 
  quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
   cruel, disgusting 
  conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
   conditions for 
  years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
   convulsing and dying 
  in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
   repeated offers for 
  free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky
 
   in a filthy 
  bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the
 cat 
   finally 
  died.
  
   Please click the link below to help end the
 suffering and 
  death of cats at 
   SVAS now!
  
   To take action on this 
  issue, click on the link below:
   http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..id=3583
   
  If the text above does not appear as a link or it
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

[Second Chance Meows]

Thank you Susan, some of us do keep our population to a minimum to avoid these 
issues.  Sanctuaries like ours  run solely on fees and donations or our pockets 
so we know how hard it can be. 

 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary


From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed business model.  A 
sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care  So they fill up fast and, as 
the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain.  And usually 
the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes 
because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes 
because they simply have a hard time saying no.  This is just not a 
sustainable model.

The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population.  And they very 
often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing 
animals in good homes.  You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to 
decrease the population.  It becomes unwieldy very quickly.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
 
 There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand
 knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still
 take their cats there.  It is called Cat Nap Estates
 and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for
 potted plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a
 couple of months while we were moving and our house was
 being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they
 came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. 
 The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of
 her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it
 away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and
 some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats
 were in the general population.  I have heard other
 horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others
 too.
  
 She may have started out with good intentions, but the road
 to h*ll is paved with good intentions.
  
  
  Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
  From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal
 'Sanctuary'
  
  This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out
 Sanctuaries This happens time  again. 
  
  Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
  
  
  
  
  From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com
 
  [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of 
  kitty.cat
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
  To: 
  spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com;
 atlanta Rescue Groups
  Cc: 
  georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
  Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  

  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
  AM
  Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  A PETA 
  undercover investigation exposed the chronic
 deprivation and 
  suffering 
  of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy,
 stifling, 
  dungeon-like, 
  disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
  Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
  Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
  
   The operator of this so-called 
  quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
   cruel, disgusting 
  conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
   conditions for 
  years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
   convulsing and dying 
  in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
   repeated offers for 
  free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky
 
   in a filthy 
  bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the
 cat 
   finally 
  died.
  
   Please click the link below to help end the
 suffering and 
  death of cats at 
   SVAS now!
  
   To take action on this 
  issue, click on the link below:
   http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..id=3583
   
  If the text above does not appear as a link or it
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[Felvtalk] second chance meows sanctuary

[Twisted Princess]

georgetta,
what a heart warming story! from what i understand, many if not most rescues 
never even give a cat who produces a positive result on the first test even a 
chance to be tested with the confirmation test. in fact many pet owners don't 
either. 

with the pet owners it is possible that the vet never even tells them any thing 
other than their cat has feline leukemia or that their cat tested positive for 
feline leukemia. the cat owner hasn't a clue that the initial test should be 
followed by a confimation test. others can't afford to do much more  and end up 
having the cat euthanized. and many who can afford it simply don't want to 
spend much money on something they consider as just a cat.

with rescues, i can understand them not going further than the first test. i 
don't necessarily agree with that but i can understand it. however, i feel it 
was unfair of your fostering friends trying to pressure you into having the 
kiitten euthanized. i'm sure they meant well but personally i think they were 
out of line. 

be proud that you stood your ground and continued to try and find placement for 
wisp. the odds were stacked against you, it's hard enough to find a good home 
for any cat or kitten might less one that has felv. but luckily for you and 
wisp, you beat some pretty tough odds.

i would imagine that michael will let you return to visit wisp if you are 
willing to make the drive now and then. it sounds like he might also keep you 
updated every so often on wisps condition. sounds like a good deal to me! 
wisp's life will undoubtedly be cut short but at least it sounds like what time 
he does have here on earth will be happy with good times with many other kitty 
friends and wonderful caring human friends. although his time is short, i'm 
sure he will have had a happier life than what many other less fortunate cats 
have had, whether they lived a short life or a long life. 

thanks for sharing an upbeat message and thanks for all the fostering you do 
and thanks for not giving in and for continuing to try and find good placement 
for wisp. i just wish more people were like you. best wishes for wisp's future 
and best wishes to you. i hope that this will be your only experience with any 
cat diseases and  that all of your future foster babies will be healthy.

darlene

(i hope this doesn't post twice. i sent it earlier but forgot to put in a 
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[Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!

[G Brickey]

Hi list,

 

I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how 
depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news seems 
to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my heartfelt 
thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for finding a spot in 
their home for my FeLV+ kitten Wisp. 

 

He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for my 
little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV confirmation 
- second test.  I was being pressured by other fostering friends to euthanize 
her and was resisting since she was currently so healthy, loving, and playful, 
except for a tendency toward constipation.  

 

I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group, so 
it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other 
incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not 
unwittingly endanger my other fosters.  I had her in the best quarantine I 
could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and 
ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the climbing 
age.  I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were just not a good 
fit for her for various reasons.  I had just taken in 5 newborn kittens and was 
getting pretty desperate when I joined this group and googled for information 
and discovered Snowball's story.

 

Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my husband 
and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the long trek 
from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving... some of it 
behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it through in our 
old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually arrived and Wisp 
received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one of their other FeLV+ 
cats.  We stayed for over an hour and got to meet almost all the other kitties 
(one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see where Wisp would be living 
whatever days, months, or years that she will be allowed by her Creator and of 
course to talk to Michael and his family and watch him expertly assess our 
kitten.

 

I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life.  She 
doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even right 
now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on sawhorses in my 
livingroom!  Michael told us that the bowel issues are resolving and she is 
looking great and acting very happy.  I miss her, but I KNOW this is the most 
perfect placement I could have found for her... a loving home with other FeLV+ 
cats she can socialize with and someone who is knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a 
family that will take care of her for as long as she lives.

 

Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family!

 

Sincerely,

 

Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!)  bye for now!

 

 
  
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[Laurieskatz]

Thank-you, Georgetta, for sharing this story, for going to the ends of the
earth to help Wisp and Michael for giving Wisp a forever home!
Happy!

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Hi list,

 

I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how
depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news
seems to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my
heartfelt thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for
finding a spot in their home for my FeLV+ kitten Wisp. 

 

He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for
my little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV
confirmation - second test.  I was being pressured by other fostering
friends to euthanize her and was resisting since she was currently so
healthy, loving, and playful, except for a tendency toward constipation.  

 

I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group,
so it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other
incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not
unwittingly endanger my other fosters.  I had her in the best quarantine I
could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and
ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the
climbing age.  I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were
just not a good fit for her for various reasons.  I had just taken in 5
newborn kittens and was getting pretty desperate when I joined this group
and googled for information and discovered Snowball's story.

 

Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my
husband and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the
long trek from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving...
some of it behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it
through in our old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually
arrived and Wisp received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one
of their other FeLV+ cats.  We stayed for over an hour and got to meet
almost all the other kitties (one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see
where Wisp would be living whatever days, months, or years that she will be
allowed by her Creator and of course to talk to Michael and his family and
watch him expertly assess our kitten.

 

I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life.  She
doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even
right now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on
sawhorses in my livingroom!  Michael told us that the bowel issues are
resolving and she is looking great and acting very happy.  I miss her, but I
KNOW this is the most perfect placement I could have found for her... a
loving home with other FeLV+ cats she can socialize with and someone who is
knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a family that will take care of her for as
long as she lives.

 

Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family!

 

Sincerely,

 

Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!)  bye for now!

 

 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Never mind on sanctuary

[Carbonel]

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:41 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Never mind on sanctuary



  I just saw that Second Chance Meow is in Nevada-- since we are in NJ,
that is not practical anyway!

 Does anyone know of anywhere reputable in or near NJ? Best Little Cat
House in PA will not work-- visited it last year and they are very
overwhelmed and cats do not last long there. Drove 3 hours to bring a cat
and returned with the cat (luckily the cat found a home 2 months later!).
Does anyone know of any others?

Hi Michelle,

Have you looked into Angel's Gate in Delhi, NY?

http://www.angelsgate.org/theanimals.htm


Joey Carbone



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[Felvtalk] Never mind on sanctuary

[lernermichelle]

 I just saw that Second Chance Meow is in Nevada-- since we are in NJ, that is 
not practical anyway!

Does anyone know of anywhere reputable in or near NJ? Best Little Cat House in 
PA will not work-- visited it last year and they are very overwhelmed and cats 
do not last long there. Drove 3 hours to bring a cat and returned with the cat 
(luckily the cat found a home 2 months later!). Does anyone know of any others?

thanks,
MIchelle

 


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[Felvtalk] To Michael Johnson and Second Chance Meows Sanctuary

[Emma Lively]

Hello,

My name is Emma and I'm new to this group. I joined after reading about your 
current situation at facebook.com. I sympathize with you because a few months 
ago I too was in the horrible nightmare of losing my home. It was a terrible 
time in my life.
I wish to help but would like to know more about you and Second Chance Meows 
Sanctuary. 
Maybe posting some references would be a good idea. This way people who don't 
know you but want to help can do so with security.
Just an idea ; )

I have 5 cats and although none have leukemia I know how hard it can be at 
times to provide for our pets. Specially when they get sick.
It must be extremely difficult for you right now and this is why I would like 
to help.



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] To Michael Johnson and Second Chance Meows Sanctuary

[Susan Hoffman]

I can vouch for Michael, as can a few other people on this list.  I personally 
delivered a hard luck FeLV+ cat to Michael last summer so I have met his cats 
and his two-footed family.



--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Emma Lively givelov...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Emma Lively givelov...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] To Michael Johnson and Second Chance Meows Sanctuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:34 PM
 Hello,
 
 My name is Emma and I'm new to this group. I joined after
 reading about your current situation at facebook.com. I
 sympathize with you because a few months ago I too was in
 the horrible nightmare of losing my home. It was a terrible
 time in my life.
 I wish to help but would like to know more about you and
 Second Chance Meows Sanctuary. 
 Maybe posting some references would be a good idea. This
 way people who don't know you but want to help can do so
 with security.
 Just an idea ; )
 
 I have 5 cats and although none have leukemia I know how
 hard it can be at times to provide for our pets. Specially
 when they get sick.
 It must be extremely difficult for you right now and this
 is why I would like to help.
 
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Debbie Harrison]

Yes, it's true...but now I have the knowledge to jump in their face about it, 
MCand you can believe I will!  My anger and guilt at having put a 
completely asymptomatic cat down because of my vet's (and yes, my own) 
ignorance still burns brightly to this day...he was such a perfect, beautiful 
boyand he deserved better

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:47:15 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
 
 the problem is that way too many still DO! but you know that.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[MaryChristine]

{ COL } -- part of his job in this world was to teach you that hard,
hard lesson. you only fail him if you forget the lesson and don't share
it with others.

yur pal, MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Debbie Harrison]

Thanks, MChe has made me a champion for the FeLV/FIV cause, that's for 
sure...thanks for the kind words.

Debbie (COL)
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:19:13 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
 
 { COL } -- part of his job in this world was to teach you that hard,
 hard lesson. you only fail him if you forget the lesson and don't share
 it with others.
 
 yur pal, MC
 
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[CATHERINE DIDONNA]

THANKYOU.CATHY

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 11:12 AM



Here here! I wish we would no  longer test at all. If a cat is sick, they are 
sick. Treat that.


It just seems like cats always get the short end of every stick - while I love 
dogs - they are much higher up the totem pole than cats, who are way down at 
the bottom. 



Why don't we declaw dogs? Or test them for parvo - or whatever? 

              
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[Gloria B. Lane]

I  agree - didn't used to, but after living with FELV and FIV and  
normal cats for several years, I really think that's a better approach.


Gloria




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THANKYOU.CATHY

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 11:12 AM



Here here! I wish we would no  longer test at all. If a cat is sick,  
they are sick. Treat that.



It just seems like cats always get the short end of every stick -  
while I love dogs - they are much higher up the totem pole than  
cats, who are way down at the bottom.




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[MaryChristine]

amazing how things change when you learn the facts, isn't it? sometimes it
amazes me to realize that even less than ten years ago i actually thought
that a positive outdoor kitty breathing through a screen door at the
housecats could infect them.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 I  agree - didn't used to, but after living with FELV and FIV and normal
 cats for several years, I really think that's a better approach.

 Gloria

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[Debbie Harrison]

Ten years ago that's what the vet would have told you...I know, because they 
did!

Debbie (COL)
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 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:18:25 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
 
 amazing how things change when you learn the facts, isn't it? sometimes it
 amazes me to realize that even less than ten years ago i actually thought
 that a positive outdoor kitty breathing through a screen door at the
 housecats could infect them.
 
 On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
  I agree - didn't used to, but after living with FELV and FIV and normal
  cats for several years, I really think that's a better approach.
 
  Gloria
 
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[MaryChristine]

the problem is that way too many still DO! but you know that.

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[MaryChristine]

i've seen a number of studies that give rates of infection in the wild, and
in housecat populations--i just don't remember where right now. in NO case
have any of them ever been above 10%, and i think it's actually under 5% for
both.

when they say, the two most prevalent fatal diseases in cats, they don't
say that that DOESNT mean they're common

as for FeLV, it was first identified as an entity in 1964 in glasgow,
scotland. the bigger problem is that FIV was named in either '86 or '87,
during the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic. and the name itself has killed far
more cats than the virus ever will.

but the point about there not being any cats left were these two so deadly
is vital to remember--unfortunately, it's even more true for FIP--which is
neither infectious, nor peritonitis: FIP tends to kill much more quickly, so
if it were contagious, there wouldn't be catteries, or shelters, or
sanctuaries with any cats.

sometimes i wonder, too, about why we bother testing: as chris says,
ignorance is bliss

MC


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 You know, there really is a lack of exhaustive studies on this whole
 question.  Mortality rates are based on study of cats who already test
 positive.


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[Stray Cat Alliance]

Respectfully, I disagree. 

 

Quoting from this article, 
http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display.php?PageID=157

Some caretakers believe that placing cats that initially test positive for 
either FIV, FeLV or both, together is a viable option. It is important to keep 
in mind that the cats may be in the process of fighting off a virus. If one 
makes the decision to test, it is important to follow the AAFP testing 
guidelines and re-test. 
 
Even if a cat happens to be FIV+, Neighborhood Cats founder Bryan Kortis says 
An FIV cat especially should not be around FeLVs, because an FIV cat could 
lead a very long life around other, non-FIV cats. But putting them around FeLV 
positives means they'll catch that virus too, being immune-compromised, and die 
early.
***
And vaccinating already immune compromised cats? Hmm, it doesn't seem like such 
a good idea.
 
We must do what is morally and ethically right, rather than what is easy.
 

 
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 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:30:06 -0400
 To: rchestert...@verizon.net
 CC: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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 fyi, there is no evidence that FIVs are any less able to throw off FeLV than
 are other cats--in fact, FIVs tend to be the healthiest populations in all
 sanctuary settings.
 
 while it might not be the optimum arrangement, until there are more places
 who are willing to take positive of both sorts in, it beats the alternative
 of just killing one or the other group.
 
 i don't know if best little cat house vaccinates their FIVs against FeLV,
 but if they do, that makes problems almost non-existent.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[MaryChristine]

sorry, but that's not what happens in the real world. for years, we've been
trying to get research done in sanctuaries that actually have populations to
test, but as there's no money in it for phamaceutical companies, it hasn't
happened.

in real life, FIVs throw off FeLV just as the 70% of non-FIVs do. once a cat
tests positive for FIV (using the western blot), it is NOT fighting off the
virus, but is persistenly infected. additionally as the vast majority of
FIVs spent time on the streets, the odds that they've already been exposed
to FeLV is great. FIV cats generally live near-normal lifespans, regardless
of whom they live with.

to be honest, no cat that tests positive for FeLV should be placed with
other FeLVs until it's had enough time to be retested--because that new cat
could very well be testing positive while its.body is processing out the
virus, so exposing it to different strains in a FeLV-only environment is
hardly the best place for it.

as for following aafp guidelines, that would mean that no FeLV or FIV would
EVER BE KILLED on the basis of a single test, and that is something that
happens every single day.
also, the aafp has updated its testing and management guidelines--the one in
this article is the 2001 version. the new one is available on their website,
www.catvets.com.

70% of adult cats exposed to FeLV will not remain persistently viremic--Mr
Kortis' comments are not based in reality. but it's hard to tell when this
article was written, and since dr levy and others have started doing
research with FeLVs again, much has change

i'm also unclear about how his statements work for TNR: the article mentions
how many groups no longer test; but it sounds as if a colony shows up with a
FeLV member, and FIV members, that the FIVs won't be returned to the colony?
or will the FeLVs--the low percentage in well-managed colonies, as noted--be
taken out and killed?

MC



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 Respectfully, I disagree.



 Quoting from this article,
 http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display.php?PageID=157


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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Stray Cat Alliance]

I disagree on a few points.

 
The article on the Castaway Critters site is not that old - perhaps 3 or 4 
years at most. I have spoken via email with Dr. Levy on several occasions - in 
fact, in late 2008, regarding this very issue.
 
Some recent info from Dr. Levy and link to her info - also while this is 
specifically regarding ferals it can certainly be applied to pet cats as well 
 


 From Dr. Julie Levy on mixing cats: The first part of your question is fairly 
easy. If you are planning to confine cats for the rest of their lives in a 
sanctuary, I think they should be tested and segregated based on their 
infection status. 

Although transmission among adult cats that do not fight is relatively low, it 
is not zero. The risk of transmission is higher among cats that are housed in 
large groups and that are under physical or psychological stress, which might 
be expected to occur when translocating cats to a sanctuary. 

In most cases, sanctuaries quickly fill up to the holding capacity and then the 
sanctuary is virtually closed to new admissions. It would be more difficult to 
care for the cats over many years if infectious diseases are circulating among 
them. An excellent model for a feral cat sanctuary is at Best Friends Animal 
Sanctuary (WildCats Village, buttons #10 and #11 at 
http://www.bestfriends.com/atthesanctuary/animals/cats.cfm).  

All cats are affected by the stress of close confinement with large numbers of 
other cats, because that is not a natural environment for the species. Cats 
with FeLV and FIV are more susceptible to the adverse effects of this stress 
than uninfected cats. We see this commonly when infected cats come to TNR 
looking very healthy and then deteriorate when they are confined in sanctuaries 
or shelters. Cats with FIV generally are expected to live for many years, often 
into old age. Cats with FeLV may not survive as long but often thrive in a 
supportive environment.
 
(from the above - cats with FIV are expected to live long - so that is a big 
reason to ask any sanctuary how long the cats who are FIV positive are living 
once they are accepted into the sanctuary).
 
Stress of bringing a feral cat a new environment with many other cats is 
detrimental to health 
http://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/college/departments/sacs/facultystaff/julielevy.html  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[MaryChristine]

i think that the stress issue is far more important, especially for ferals.
translocating to a sanctuary is not an issue with housecats, and while
living with large numbers of cats CAN be very stressful, when the cats are
somewhat socialized to people, it's quite possible to provide them with a
comfortable environment. not easy, but possible.

one of the reasons that it's so hard to find FIV space at sanctuaries is
that they DO live forever or close enough.

dr levy, like most researchers, are not going to state that something is
absolutely safe until and unless there is actual data backing that up;
unfortunately, we've gone so many years without adequate research being done
that some important questions still remain unanswered. agaih, this is why
the discussions about using, captive populations come up.

from my experience, feral FeLVs did less well in a sanctuary enviroment than
did strays or more social cats; didn't see the same thing with the FIVs--tho
the ferals stayed away from the horrible humans (who would make their fur
fall out if they got close enough, i'm told that mamaferals tell them).
actually, feral non-positives did less well than other cats did, too--being
around people, even tho we left them alone (except when necessary, tho we
checked them visually every day), was NOT a good thing to them.

so i'm not sure that the rules DO apply equally.

i don't know what actual figures exist for transmission of FIV without
fighting; i know that sanctuaries will foster out, or segregate, any cats
who continue to be aggressive after neutering.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Chris]

You know, there really is a lack of exhaustive studies on this whole
question.  Mortality rates are based on study of cats who already test
positive.  And, I have never been able to find a really good study on the
prevalence of either FIV or FELV...  Studies are done of particular
colonies, or of some sort of controlled population.  But absent some
scientific, purely random and large scale testing of owned as well as
strays/ferals, I do not believe that anybody really knows how many cats are
out there with these conditions.  Absent that, it's a tossup to make
predictions on rates of transmissions.

The one 'fact' that has always struck me is that neither of these viruses
are considered new--they have been around since forever.  If they were
indeed as lethal or contagious as some would have you think, then there
would be no cats left.  Remember that its only a recent development, even in
this country, that cats are taken to vets for shots, for testing, etc.  We
always had cats when I was a kid but I could count on one hand the number of
times any of them went to a vet.  Since all our cats were strays that we
took in, I can only assume that at least one or two were positive for
something.  I know this will sound very crass, but in some ways, ignorance
was bliss... Our cats were loved, well taken care of, and lived happy, (and
generally) long lives...  

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i think that the stress issue is far more important, especially for ferals.
translocating to a sanctuary is not an issue with housecats, and while
living with large numbers of cats CAN be very stressful, when the cats are
somewhat socialized to people, it's quite possible to provide them with a
comfortable environment. not easy, but possible.

one of the reasons that it's so hard to find FIV space at sanctuaries is
that they DO live forever or close enough.

dr levy, like most researchers, are not going to state that something is
absolutely safe until and unless there is actual data backing that up;
unfortunately, we've gone so many years without adequate research being done
that some important questions still remain unanswered. agaih, this is why
the discussions about using, captive populations come up.

from my experience, feral FeLVs did less well in a sanctuary enviroment than
did strays or more social cats; didn't see the same thing with the FIVs--tho
the ferals stayed away from the horrible humans (who would make their fur
fall out if they got close enough, i'm told that mamaferals tell them).
actually, feral non-positives did less well than other cats did, too--being
around people, even tho we left them alone (except when necessary, tho we
checked them visually every day), was NOT a good thing to them.

so i'm not sure that the rules DO apply equally.

i don't know what actual figures exist for transmission of FIV without
fighting; i know that sanctuaries will foster out, or segregate, any cats
who continue to be aggressive after neutering.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Heather]

I just had a young adult male test FIV+, weak FELV+, and about 45 days later
FELV negative, confirmed on IFA.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 fyi, there is no evidence that FIVs are any less able to throw off FeLV
 than
 are other cats--in fact, FIVs tend to be the healthiest populations in all
 sanctuary settings.

 while it might not be the optimum arrangement, until there are more places
 who are willing to take positive of both sorts in, it beats the alternative
 of just killing one or the other group.

 i don't know if best little cat house vaccinates their FIVs against FeLV,
 but if they do, that makes problems almost non-existent.



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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Stray Cat Alliance]

Best thing to do is ask how long cats live once they go to a sanctuary, any 
sanctuary and if they are medicated or vaccinated at all. If they have a limit 
of number of cats they take in also and how they are funded.

 

And of course, visit.

 
 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:51:58 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 CC: rchestert...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
 
 I just had a young adult male test FIV+, weak FELV+, and about 45 days later
 FELV negative, confirmed on IFA.
 
 On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  fyi, there is no evidence that FIVs are any less able to throw off FeLV
  than
  are other cats--in fact, FIVs tend to be the healthiest populations in all
  sanctuary settings.
 
  while it might not be the optimum arrangement, until there are more places
  who are willing to take positive of both sorts in, it beats the alternative
  of just killing one or the other group.
 
  i don't know if best little cat house vaccinates their FIVs against FeLV,
  but if they do, that makes problems almost non-existent.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[MaryChristine]

fyi, there is no evidence that FIVs are any less able to throw off FeLV than
are other cats--in fact, FIVs tend to be the healthiest populations in all
sanctuary settings.

while it might not be the optimum arrangement, until there are more places
who are willing to take positive of both sorts in, it beats the alternative
of just killing one or the other group.

i don't know if best little cat house vaccinates their FIVs against FeLV,
but if they do, that makes problems almost non-existent.



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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Sharyl]

Dorlis,
Yes they ask for a donation to support the kitties left to them but it is up to 
the individual - no set amount per cat.  Here is the link to their web site.
http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/

Check out the Safety Net program.
Sharyl

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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: Alice Hanson alicehans...@msn.com
 Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 5:02 PM
 do they ask for donations when you
 send a cat there or do they leave that up to you?  i
 was thinking of taking out a small life policy to go with my
 babies when the time comes.  make them the
 beneficiary.  dorlis
  Alice Hanson alicehans...@msn.com
 wrote: 
  It is a good place, Sharyl. One of my beloved kitties,
 Milo, lives there. They send you pictures and newsletters
 too. You made the right choice.
  Alice
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    From: Sharylmailto:cline...@yahoo.com
 
    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
    Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
  
  
  
    I had the opportunity to visit the
 CW Rustic Hollow Shelter in IA.  Looking for a
 forever home for my cats when I die.  They have a
 excellent set up with multiple houses/buildings/barns. 
 Each building is heated and has air conditioning.  Most
 windows have an attached screened-in enclosure so the
 kitties can enjoy the nice weather.  There are several
 TVs in each building running kitties videos.  
  
    Most of the buildings are old but it
 is obvious the kitties are well loved.  In addition to
 a paid staff, volunteers come in every day to feed the
 kitties and scoop the litter boxes.   
  
    The rooms had hand me down furniture
 for the kitties to lounge on.  It isn't the Ritz but
 everything was clean.  They have a board of directors
 and plans in place to keep the facility going if/when
 something happens to the original owners.  
  
    Most importantly they will take FeLV+
 kitties and other special needs kitties.  I am having
 my will changed so my cats will go there when the time
 comes.  I sponsor one of their kitties with
 neurological issues.
  
    Here is the link to their web site if
 anyone is interested. 
    http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/
  
    Sharyl



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

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Maybe it is not such a bad idea if checking out a sanctuary to ask how long the 
cats typically live. As well as how they are funded and what happens to the 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where people 
did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it.  until that tim, 
we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals.  try to live our 
lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on.  till that time, i will 
continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love, shelter and 
food.  what time God gives them on this earth will at least be happier for 
them.  this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet.  he can't stand to put them 
down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in.  he said i have sucker 
written on my forehead just as plain as day.  dorlis 
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT
 necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are
 generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off
 FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other
 cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after
 living in a FeLV environment.
 
 remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for
 adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were
 willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries.
 while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for
 very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of
 unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats.
 
 folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to
 be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses,
 and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're
 gonna BE one of the them.
 
 which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe
 what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it
 out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every
 town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and
 these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space.
 
 MC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[Susan Hoffman]

Yeah, that and an end to world hunger and peace in our timeTill, then, we 
just keep treading water and do the best we can.



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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where people 
did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it.  until that tim, 
we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals.  try to live our 
lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on.  till that time, i will 
continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love, shelter and 
food.  what time God gives them on this earth will at least be happier for 
them.  this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet.  he can't stand to put them 
down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in.  he said i have sucker 
written on my forehead just as plain as day.  dorlis 
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT
 necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are
 generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off
 FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other
 cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after
 living in a FeLV environment.
 
 remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for
 adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were
 willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries.
 while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for
 very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of
 unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats.
 
 folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to
 be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses,
 and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're
 gonna BE one of the them.
 
 which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe
 what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it
 out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every
 town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and
 these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space.
 
 MC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

if the cats have plenty of room to avoid a cat they don't like or that doesn't 
like them, shelter, food and someone to scratch their chin, rub their back, 
play with them a bit and lots of windows to look out, maybe even an outside 
play room, i think they would think that ideal.  my babies do.  they don't need 
me too much, just to open the cans, open and close the doors and provide a lap 
for personal nap time.  dorlis
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 of course if depends on quality of life, but you also have to have a
 realistic definition of what that means. i've found that many people tend to
 judge quality of life in human terms, and in light of what they would like
 to be able to provide to a housecat--and that is NOT necessarily what a
 sanctuary can and even should be able to provide.
 
 people often have unrealistic expectation of the places that take in the
 unwanted, and while there are DEFINITELY enough horror stories to go around,
 until more folks can step up and share the burden, they perhaps need to
 revise down their own personal standards.
 
 let's have a task force of folks who volunteer to go to sanctuaries nearby
 where they live, and report back to the rest of us. let's talk with people
 who've had to try to make decisions regarding how best to care for large
 number of critters, and see what it's like to make the choices needed. let's
 ask the cats -- you can tell happy cats when you see them, and plush
 surroundings are NOT the standard
 
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[dlgegg]

do they ask for donations when you send a cat there or do they leave that up to 
you?  i was thinking of taking out a small life policy to go with my babies 
when the time comes.  make them the beneficiary.  dorlis
 Alice Hanson alicehans...@msn.com wrote: 
 It is a good place, Sharyl. One of my beloved kitties, Milo, lives there. 
 They send you pictures and newsletters too. You made the right choice.
 Alice
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   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:53 PM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
 
 
 
   I had the opportunity to visit the CW Rustic Hollow Shelter in IA.  
 Looking for a forever home for my cats when I die.  They have a excellent set 
 up with multiple houses/buildings/barns.  Each building is heated and has air 
 conditioning.  Most windows have an attached screened-in enclosure so the 
 kitties can enjoy the nice weather.  There are several TVs in each building 
 running kitties videos.  
 
   Most of the buildings are old but it is obvious the kitties are well loved. 
  In addition to a paid staff, volunteers come in every day to feed the 
 kitties and scoop the litter boxes.   
 
   The rooms had hand me down furniture for the kitties to lounge on.  It 
 isn't the Ritz but everything was clean.  They have a board of directors and 
 plans in place to keep the facility going if/when something happens to the 
 original owners.  
 
   Most importantly they will take FeLV+ kitties and other special needs 
 kitties.  I am having my will changed so my cats will go there when the time 
 comes.  I sponsor one of their kitties with neurological issues.
 
   Here is the link to their web site if anyone is interested. 
   http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/
 
   Sharyl
 
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From: MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.commailto:twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:45 PM
of course if depends on quality of
life, but you also have to have a
realistic definition of what that means. i've found that
many people tend to
judge quality of life in human terms, and in light of what
they would like
to be able to provide to a housecat--and that is NOT
necessarily what a
sanctuary can and even should be able to provide.

people often have unrealistic expectation of the places
that take in the
unwanted, and while there are DEFINITELY enough horror
stories to go around,
until more folks can step up and share the burden, they
perhaps need to
revise down their own personal standards.

let's have a task force of folks who volunteer to go to
sanctuaries nearby
where they live, and report back to the rest of us. let's
talk with people
who've had to try to make decisions regarding how best to
care for large
number of critters, and see what it's like to make the
choices needed. let's
ask the cats -- you can tell happy cats when you see them,
and plush
surroundings are NOT the standard

MC
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

[MaryChristine]

and as someone once told me, forget about visualizing world peace, it's
time we start ACTUALIZING it

love one another. i don't recall that statement coming with a number-of-legs
or freedom-from-virii condition.

MC

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Yeah, that and an end to world hunger and peace in our timeTill, then,
 we just keep treading water and do the best we can.



 - Original Message 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:40:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

 yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where
 people did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it.  until
 that tim, we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals.  try
 to live our lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on.  till that
 time, i will continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love,
 shelter and food.  what time God gives them on this earth will at least be
 happier for them.  this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet.  he can't
 stand to put them down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in.
 he said i have sucker written on my forehead just as plain as day.  dorlis
  MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:
  just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is
 NOT
  necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are
  generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off
  FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other
  cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV
 after
  living in a FeLV environment.
 
  remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for
  adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were
  willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries.
  while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for
  very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of
  unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats.
 
  folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also,
 to
  be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two
 viruses,
  and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean
 you're
  gonna BE one of the them.
 
  which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly
 believe
  what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry
 it
  out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every
  town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening,
 and
  these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space.
 
  MC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

[Second Chance Meows]

WOW, I sit here and read all this about all these NEW places to take FeLV cats 
and get very scared... $7500???   for the life   and i feel bad asking $500 for 
the lifetime  and all we take are FeLV's..  who are these people and where do 
they get off asking that much???

 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary





From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

Hmmm.  Only 10 cats listed for adoption on their petfinder site.  And only one 
of those, an FIV+ boy, is listed as special needs.  

This also makes me suspicious about the long term viability of the place.  You 
have to be committed to finding homes for the cats.  They need human families, 
attention, and they won't get that in a giant sanctuary setting.  And if you're 
not focused on adoptions, you have to strictly limit your intake to avoid 
becoming overwhelmed.



- Original Message 
From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

Never heard of them.  

According to their website they've only been around since 2005.  Lots-of-cats 
in a rural setting always makes me nervous.  And, whoa!  They want a $5000 
surrender fee for a healthy cat and $7500 to take in an FIV or FeLV cat.  I 
guess that's one way to make sure you don't wind up with too many animals.



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

[Debbie Harrison]

My thoughts exactly.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:34:14 -0700
 From: secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
 Sanctuary
 
 WOW, I sit here and read all this about all these NEW places to take FeLV 
 cats and get very scared... $7500??? for the life and i feel bad asking $500 
 for the lifetime and all we take are FeLV's.. who are these people and where 
 do they get off asking that much???
 
 Michael Johnson
 Founder/Owner
 Second Chance Meows
 A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
 Sanctuary
 
 Hmmm. Only 10 cats listed for adoption on their petfinder site. And only one 
 of those, an FIV+ boy, is listed as special needs. 
 
 This also makes me suspicious about the long term viability of the place. You 
 have to be committed to finding homes for the cats. They need human families, 
 attention, and they won't get that in a giant sanctuary setting. And if 
 you're not focused on adoptions, you have to strictly limit your intake to 
 avoid becoming overwhelmed.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:12:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
 Sanctuary
 
 Never heard of them. 
 
 According to their website they've only been around since 2005. Lots-of-cats 
 in a rural setting always makes me nervous. And, whoa! They want a $5000 
 surrender fee for a healthy cat and $7500 to take in an FIV or FeLV cat. I 
 guess that's one way to make sure you don't wind up with too many animals.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
 Sanctuary
 
 http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/
 
 has anyone ever heard of these folks before?
 
 i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
 in the FIV/FeLV community.
 
 MC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

[JENI RECA]

you could try angel's gate, they have a place in long island, but also one in 
upstate near delhi (they were willing to take a feluk cat I was trying to find 
a home for, but in the end I kept him due to medical issues and anxiety)  that 
was about two years ago so I dont know if they are still up and running.  I 
emailed them through their website.  Also another sanctuary is called love and 
hope in upstate new york they have a website (google love and hope sanctuary 
new york) i think you will find it through there.  good luck!Jeni

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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:52:41 -0400
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a
 Sanctuary
 
  
 I live in Central New Jersey and I have a cat that showed up on my doorstep 
 about 10 months ago.  He is so super friendly that my husband and I decided 
 that we wanted to take him in as one of our own.  We took him to the vet 
 about 3 weeks ago and he tested positive for Leukemia.  We were heartbroken.  
 We cannot take him inside due to the fact that we have 2 healthy cats 
 inside already.
 
 The vet said that he is about 2-3 years old and in good health with the 
 exception of testing positive for Leukemia.  (by the way - he did test 
 negative for HIV and he has been neutered)  He is the sweetest cat and just 
 wants to be petted and loved and talked to.  I was out back the other back in 
 my lounge chair and he jumped up onto my chest and wanted me to pet him, 
 which of course I did.  He is also very friendly with the neighbor children.
 
 I would love to find a safe place for him where he can get some interaction 
 with humans as well as other cats.  We have a few other cats that we feed 
 outside and he seems to get along well with them.
 
 I need  to find a safe place for him where he will be loved and cared for.   
 We really need your help!!!  Any information in the New Jersey, New York and 
 Pennsylvania area will be helpful.
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

[MaryChristine]

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

[Susan Hoffman]

Never heard of them.  

According to their website they've only been around since 2005.  Lots-of-cats 
in a rural setting always makes me nervous.  And, whoa!  They want a $5000 
surrender fee for a healthy cat and $7500 to take in an FIV or FeLV cat.  I 
guess that's one way to make sure you don't wind up with too many animals.



- Original Message 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC

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