from:"TenHouseCats"


we ARE an odd group, aren't we? (like we needed this thread to realize
that?)

On 3/15/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


ROFL!  That is too funny!

elizabeth


On 3/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Never tried A/D but the innova cat (red label) canned food SMELLS just
> like
> > those little pots of deviled ham, and i did seriously consider
> spreading
> > some on a cracker and trying it. Now, dry kibble... DISGUSTING! I've
> tried
>
> In a previous, split-level larger house, with several feeding stations
> on different levels, I kept smallish plastic jars full of kibble near
> each feeding station. These jars are like what you might get candy in
> at Costco/Sam's Club.
>
> My parents came for a visit, and I caught my father munching in ... my
> bedroom, with no apparent food nearby. With great trepidation I asked
> him, "so... whatcha eating there, dad?" He gestured towards the jar
> and said "those snacks, whatever they are."
>
> I laughed too hard to find out what it tasted like (Innova adult).
>
> Lynette
>
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Re: me - ever the sport - on the taste of pet-tinic (yes, I tried it).

remembering the time i accidentally used my eyedrops for the cats
instead of theirs and calling the vet in a panic. my eye doc got a huge
kick out of it when i told him, too--both said there was no problem. well,
what can i say, both sets of drops were in that same little plastic
bottle! i just sort of forgot i had a cat i was treating at the same
time. 

On 3/15/07, Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Year ago I accidentally took a pill that was being given to one of my
cats for something. It was being given to him for some persisting
problem that he had but its normal use had something to do with feline
procreation. Anyway I took it by accident. I called Poison Control too &
they laughed & said I'd be fine, but that I didn't have to worry about
having kittens for a while!

Pam

Del H. Daniels wrote:
> A tinky taste is one thing ... I absentmindedly took the cat's 22mg
> Baytril the other night and Poison control said I would be fine ...
> not so, I was terribly sick ... I apparently am sensitive to the
> quinilone drug family. Re cat's meds tastes, liquid Clindamycin is
> vile ... and mixed with an equal amount of tuna juice some cats lap it
> up like it is yummy.  go figure.
>
> Del
> - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: me - ever the sport - on the taste of pet-tinic (yes, I
> tried it).
>
>
>> A round of Lixo-tinic for all my friends!  The not having to swish
>> your mouth out afterwards was a good descriptive note.  I've tasted
>> some meds that sent me screaming to the faucet.  Let me think about
>> what else I have around here that you can taste-test for us!
>> Nina
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> I have Lixo-tinic here (the horse label of the same stuff). I just
>>> tried it. It's
>>> tart and sweet, with a definite metallic aftertaste. It's not
>>> pleasant, but did not
>>> make me gag nor did I need to swish out my mouth afterwards. Try it,
>>> it's not really
>>> that bad!
>>>
>>> Phaewryn
>>>
>>> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
>>> Special Needs Cat Resources
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
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>

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Re: vaccinate FIV+ for FeLV?


why just once? doesn't it take two doses to establish immunity?

and, from experience, FIV cats are as likely to throw off FeLV as healthy
cats. in fact, FIV cats are HEALTHIER, in almost every sanctuary setting,
than strays and ferals are.

On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Use the merial PUREVAX brand FELV vaccine, it is the safest one. I do
think that FIV+
cats who may be exposed should be vaccinated (once, no boosters needed).
FIV makes a
cat more prone to contract other things, including FELV.

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Re: vaccinate FIV+ for FeLV?


we're not talking about BOOSTERS, but the initial series of
innoculations. i know that when distemper was brought into the
sanctuary, adult cats who had only had one shot as an adult (as we didn't
know, of course, if they'd ever had their full series of kitten shots)
DIED many rescues now, unless they have records showing the full kitten
series, make sure that adult cats receive it

boosters are another things altogether

(of course, i'm just potentially making trouble here, which you and i exist
to do in each other's life--i'm ASSUMING that the purevaxx is like the
schering-plough and others that require two shots for full imunity)

On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I personally don't believe in boosters. There's been no research done to
show they are required, as far as I am aware of. There have been studies
done that show that single vaccinations do produce immunity though. Please
share the studies if you know of any that suggest otherwise, as I am going
on info I've found online with no sources quoted.

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Re: Questions and concerns - nervous hair pulling cats


i don't remember! i was just looking for the name of the drug--here's the
full transcript:
http://www.pethobbyist.com/articles/TranscriptSpadaforiBecker.html

here's the link to the all the chat-week events, and their transcripts:

On 3/15/07, catatonya < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


what was number 3???

*TenHouseCats < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

okay, i promised to look this up this was from last week's Chat Week
chat with Marty Becker, DVM (of ABC-TV and "Chicken Soup..." fame)

*handsmom:* I have an Abby and she has gotten a large bald spot from
constantly licking. What can I do?
*DrMarty_nr: *handsmom, the first thing is to go to your vet and rule out
things that aren't obvious. We always have to be careful not to just go a
knee-jerk reaction and go to what we think it is, we need to do a complete
physical exam and diagnostic testing to confirm what it is, and not just
what we think it is. There are three probabilities, one is flea allergy
dermatitis. It only takes one flea bite, you don't have to see them crawling
all over the cat if the cat is sensitive it just takes one bite
Number two is what we call atopy. Atopy is an allergic reaction, humans
sneeze, cats scratch or lick. Typically they'll do one spot- they'll just
constantly go to that one spot right down to the bare skin or the sub layers
of the skin. * *The lucky thing about that is there is a new drug out
called Atopica from Merial that's really working wonders on dogs and cats
with atopy. Even pets who have suffered from that for years.

MC

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i'm certainly not sold on the need for a full series of everything, but i DO
know that a single adult dose didn't protect against distemper, but that's a
particularly nasty little buggie--i know of other rescues that've had that
experience with it, too. as for other things, i have little doubt that at
some point the immunity-for-life thing--which does, basically, only make
sense--will proof true in most cases. but remember who funds research,
after all.

seems that dog breeders are doing a whole lot more titre-testing than cat
people are, from what i was hearing during chat week

On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Any shot given after the first shot is a booster shot, as it "boosts" the
first one. There are studies that show that single doses of vaccines are
effective, though not all are CAT studies, but the immune system works much
the same in all mammals:
http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp (proven effective single dose
intranasal FVRCP vaccine - cats)
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=12817 (proven effective single dose
Typhoid vaccine - humans)
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2005/niaid-01a.htm (proven effective single
dose shingle vaccine - humans)
http://www.enn.com/wild.html?id=1226&ref=rss (proven effective single dose
bird flu vaccine - humans)

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020183
(proven
effective single dose Lassa vaccine - monkey test subjects in prehuman
trials)
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14084459 (proven effective
single dose encephalitis vaccine - humans. Of particular interest, this was
done side by side with a two dose series study, and the effectivness was
less then 1% more with two doses... hardly worth the side effects and
risks!)

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/ajvr.2004.65.1459?journalCode=ajvr
(proven
effective single dose West Nile vaccine - horses)

http://www.spiritessence.com/index.php?action=library&act=show&item=vaccination
says:
"Dr. Ronald Schultz at the University of Wisconsin is the premier vaccine
researcher in the country. He says, that 'canine distemper and adenovirus-2
vaccines both provide good lifelong immunity. These need not be given
annually.' He says the same about the feline distemper (panleukopenia)
vaccine. He believes that a single dose of modified live vaccine given at
10-14 weeks of age is protective for life. Both canine and feline distemper
vaccines have been shown to induce immunity for 5-7 years or more. Moreover,
all of these are diseases of young animals; older animals are naturally more
resistant. Once vaccinated, adult animals are typically fully immune. "
http://critteradvocacy.org/Vaccination%20Concerns.htm says:
"The AVMA Council on Biologic and Therapeutic Agents (COBTA) presented
their consensus at the July, 2000 137th Annual AVMA Convention. They focused
on the following points:
When an annual booster vaccination with a modified live virus vaccine (
i.e. Distemper , Parvovirus or Fe Distemper) is given to a previously
vaccinated adult animal - no added protection is provided. Modified live
virus vaccines depend on the replication of the virus for a response.
Antibodies from previous vaccines do not allow the new virus to replicate.
Antibody titers are not boosted significantly, memory cell populations are
not expanded. No additional protection is provided.
Vaccine Manufacturers label claims should be backed by scientific data.
There is no scientific data to support label directions for
re-administration of MLV vaccines annually."

I did email Dr. Bob and ask if he knew of any FELINE specific studies done
to show single-dose immunity in cats. I will let you know if he responds
with anything helpful.

Phaewryn

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Re: vaccinate FIV+ for FeLV?


distemper is a very nasty death, tho.. that's one i just won't mess
with and while a lot of the deaths were kittens, there were a lot of
adults who went too. but it's very different when you're not talking a
multi-cat environment, or taking in rescues, or fosters..

On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I'm sure it varies vaccine to vaccine. Regardless... I wont vaccinate
except for one time (except rabies, where I have some legal consequences
involved if I don't). That being said, I quarantine any new cats that come
in, just in case. The thing is, some of the things we vaccinate for are not
typically fatal illnesses for healthy adult cats anyways, so it's kinda like
getting the flu shot if you're a human, yes, it will keep you from getting
sock, but unless you're old, ill, or weak in some way, it generally wont
kill you even if you DO get it. I don't get flu shots for myself either, for
the record... and when I went to college, I refused my hepatitis and
whatever else they give you at that age (some childhood vaccine booster),
and got a titer pulled on myself, and it proved sufficient immunity to allow
myself to be admitted.

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Re: Need to place Chief ASAP


do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go to
this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all the
places under "places to post positive cats" (or  however it's phrased).

please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how old
is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure he's
truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people work on
finding him a place?

MC

On 3/16/07, Stephanie E Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Susan,



I never said I can't afford to neuter him. I said I WOULD neuter him if
someone can take him.



My other cat is very old and doesn't like him. He gets along fine. It's
the FIV+ that's the problem.



I'm in North Carolina and he has a vet appt that is paid for to be fixed.



I can't afford to feed all of us and get a big enough apartment.

Steph



-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Susan Hoffman
*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2007 8:01 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Need to place Chief ASAP



There's no such thing as placing an FeLV+ cat quicklyespecially an
unneutered male who thus far does not get along with other cats.



Getting him neutered will go a long ways towards helping him get along
with other cats.  And n ot having him neutered pretty much guarantees
issues.



Where do you live?  There must be low cost neutering available somewhere
nearby.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am in a position of needing to place my FELV+ quickly.

I must move by May 1st, and he doesn't get along with my other FIV+
Geriatric cat. I will be moving into a small studio and working 2 jobs to
keep my head above water. I can not afford a second cat.

He's scheduled to be neutered next month, I'll pay that if someone can
take him. Even it it's temporary for a year. If I must keep him I will, but
it means a bigger apartment so I can keep them seperated and it's not an
expense I can handle right now.

If anyone would consider him please email me or call me @ 704-214-7818

Thanks,
Steph







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Re: any other catfood suggestions

doing great.

-Original Message-
From: Belinda
Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions

   And then you have those cats that simply WILL NOT eat the "good stuff",
I can beg until I'm blue in the face, I have a few who will eat anything BUT
I have a couple who will stop eating if I only put down the "good stuff",
they just won't have it.  I make the change gradually, teaspoon at a time in
their regular food, I've even had them eat it for a while after taking
months to get them switched over and then suddenly they just refuse to eat
it any more.  I've gotten my group off Fancy Feast 3 times in the last
several years but they ALWAYS eventually quit eating the "good stuff" and
after a few days of them not eating they get their Fancy Feast back.  I'm
not happy about but I know all too well the dangers of not eating and I
ain't going there!!!

I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your
cats the very best, however circumstances beyond some peoples control make
that impossible.

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Re: Hello Again - Slinky Sick


the instructions for doing sub-q fluids was just posted on the list the
other day--you should be able to search back for them, or someone can
repost. most people i know have had their vet show them how to do it the
first time, because it seems scary, tho in reality it's an incredibly simple
process that can make all the difference in the world to your kitty. may not
be able to SAVE them, but can make even the worst times, and times of
passage, more comfortable.



On 3/16/07, Marissa Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


How do I get home sub-q fluids?  Vet or...?  Are those fluids I have to
inject or...?  His fever seems to be going back up.  :(  Thanks for the
positive energy!

MJ

*"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

I'll be sending positive energy for Slinky. I don't have anything to
suggest, home sub-q fluids might be helpful if his fever spikes again.

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speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/

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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


someone on another list says that menu makes nutro

On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is just
terrible.

elizabeth


On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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more on the pet-food recall... iams and eukanuba?


http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/pg03_07.html

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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today

i've been trying to get to their website since i first heard about it--too
much traffic for it to come up!

On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I heard about it on the radio on the way home from work -- they said that
'menu foods' should have their website updated with all the brands effected
by tomorrow.

This is really scary - my neighbor's baby passed away in her arms
yesterday on the way to the vets -- plus, I think of all the UTI issues I've
been having with Antonio lately (he seems fine now but I'm watching him like
a hawk).

I hope we hear the whole story on this and find out what happened.  I'm
trying to figure out what ingredient or process could cause a pet food to be
so dangerous.  Hoping too that this will put the focus on pet food
manufacturers and quality control.

elizabeth

On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> someone on another list says that menu makes nutro
>
> On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is just
> > terrible.
> >
> > elizabeth
> >
> >
> >  On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/
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Re: Website listing all foods in recall; lots of vendors


since this doesn't list the brands mentioned in the fda press release, i
think i'll wait til tomorrow when the official list comes out.

On 3/16/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here's the link:

http://www.iamscruelty.com/menulist.asp

I have not checked validity, so you might cross
reference it before you freak out if you have one of
the brands listed.  I think this is for cats only, but
don't quote me on that.

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Re: 60 Million Containers of Pet Food Recalled After Dog and Cat Deaths


the webpage isn't shut down, it's just getting too much traffic--a couple of
us have been able, after long hours, to get to it--it just says they'll post
product information at 6am today. i expect that the website will be as
heavily trafficked then as it has been all day today. hopefully, the
information will be released more widely to the wire services.


On 3/17/07, Lora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Did anyone see/read this?

The recalled pet food was sold by stores operated by
the Kroger Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
(WMT) and PETSMART Inc., among others.

I shop at Petsmart! Scary stuff!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259223,00.html

www.menufoods.com/recall

FYI: Menufoods had shut down their website until
Saturday 03-17-07 morning. I have googled, yahooed and
MSNed them and I did not turn up a thing. I keep
getting the message:

"Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage. Most
likely causes: You are not connected to the Internet.
The website is encountering problems. There might be a
typing error in the address."

Please let me know if anyone finds any additional
information! Thanks!

Lora

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and Cat Deaths

WASHINGTON —  A major manufacturer of dog and cat food
sold under Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other store
brands recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food
Friday after reports of kidney failure and deaths.

An unknown number of cats and dogs suffered kidney
failure and about 10 died after eating the affected
pet food, Menu Foods said in announcing the North
American recall. Product testing has not revealed a
link explaining the reported cases of illness and
death, the company said.

"At this juncture, we're not 100 percent sure what's
happened," said Paul Henderson, the company's
president and chief executive officer. However, the
recalled products were made using wheat gluten
purchased from a new supplier, since dropped for
another source, spokeswoman Sarah Tuite said. Wheat
gluten is a source of protein.

The recall covers the company's "cuts and gravy" style
food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, sold
in cans and small foil pouches between Dec. 3 and
March 6 throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

The pet food was sold by stores operated by the Kroger
Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) and
PetSmart Inc., among others, Henderson said.

Menu Foods did not immediately provide a full list of
brand names and lot numbers covered by the recall,
saying they would be posted on its Web site --
www.menufoods.com/recall -- early Saturday. Consumers
with questions can call (866) 463-6738.

The company said it manufacturers for 17 of the top 20
North American retailers. It is also a contract
manufacturer for the top branded pet food companies.
Its three U.S. and one Canadian factory produce more
than 1 billion containers of wet pet food a year. The
recall covers pet food made at company plants in
Emporia, Kan., and Pennsauken, N.J., Henderson said.

Henderson said the company received an undisclosed
number of owner complaints of vomiting and kidney
failure in dogs and cats after they had been fed its
products. It has tested its products but not found a
cause for the sickness.

"To date, the tests have not indicated any problems
with the product," Henderson said.

The company alerted the Food and Drug Administration,
which already has inspectors in one of the two plants,
Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand
names covered by the recall, agency spokesman Mike
Herndon said.

Menu Foods is majority owned by the Menu Foods Income
Fund, based in Ontario, Canada.

Henderson said the recall would cost the company the
Canadian equivalent of $26 million to $34 million.





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Re: Whitey is close to the BRIDGE


GLOW to you and your furchildren, for strength and wisdom and healing, and
that everything happens exactly as it is supposed to, in the gentlest and
kindest way. it's in these times that i try to remember the fundamental
truth that loving one another is really all that matters

On 3/17/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


To my Friends, My sweet Little White Deaf kitty is at the emergency
vets under Oxygen tonight. It is a long story but probably underlying
heart disease..and he is not responding. The ventilator is an option,
but the prognosis of ever getting him off it is is so slim and with
so many underlying problems I would be doing it for me and not him,
He has been though so very much this year,...Please wish me the
strength to go down there and hold him in my arms and a gently
passage,,,Then to the other vet asFRESNO my rescued dog's would has
opened up and the pin should be pulled,
I hate these times.
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Fwd: OT: Use of Metacam with cats ** Could be very dangerous

repost of last year's metacam info

-- Forwarded message --
From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 25, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: OT:  Use of Metacam with cats ** Could be very dangerous
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Feline Lymphoma Group <
feline_lymphoma@yahoogroups.com>

*This was on the CRF list I'm on and I wanted to pass it on as an FYI:*

(http://www.persiancats.org) posted some important safety information
regarding the use of Metacam in cats on July 17, 2006. Metacam is associated
with a high risk of kidney failure in cats:

"The narrow safety margin in cats is reflected in the FDA's Adverse Drug
Experience (ADE) reports for Metacam Oral, which summarize drug side effects
reported by veterinarians.  Of 842 reports for dogs, 19 cases of kidney
failure and no
deaths were reported. However in 320 cats, 105 cases of kidney failure, 48
deaths and 35 cases resulting in euthanasia have been reported. This clearly
indicates that Metacam poses a much greater risk in cats than in dogs."

The pdf file, "Metacam Risks in Cats," is available at:

http://www.persiancats.org/nss-folder/filefolder/MetacamRisksInCats.pdf

Some additional anecdotal information is also available at:

http://www.persiancats.org/gridlayout/

Unfortunately, some veterinarians have been prescribing Metacam to be used
multiple times after dental procedures and for arthritis even though the
manufacturer has discouraged multiple use of the medicine. Only the
injectable kind is approved for use with cats, and only once. The oral
suspension was not approved for use with cats.

I don't think I'd feel comfortable using this ever, just wanted to pass it
on as it was being discussed recently

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Re: Junior's tests


i just reposted belinda's info and links on metacam in cats--it should show
up momentarily; if it doesn't, go back to last july and find the
original..


On 3/17/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 09:11 AM 3/17/2007, you wrote:

I had some at home, but decided not to use it on the catsThe
benefits did not seem to outweigh the risks, at least to me,
Kelly

>Sally,
>
>I have heard people here use the word Metacam before.
>I would put the subject heading as 'Metacam?' or
>something similar, and resend this email.  It will
>catch the attention of those who have used Metacam.
>
>Let us know what the vet/lab says about Junior's
>results.  Good luck.
>:)
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latest update on food recall


http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2007/NEW01590.html

this fda press release has links to not only the menu brands involved, but
to the purina and science diet brands affected. my cats have just
ordered out for pizza.

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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

2007-03-18 Thread TenHouseCats


i, of course, say he's lovely after leaving kelley's menagerie there's
no one to PLAY with in the middle of the night at his new house, so of
course he wants to wake mommy up!

On 3/18/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Nina,

he can sleep whereever he wants.  She says he gets in bed with her for
20-30 minutes, then gets tired of that and gets out of bed and starts pacing
and crying and does that until 5 am..  It almost broke my heart.

She says she can't live without sleep forever, and I see her point.   He
apparently stops crying about 5 am, and she gets to sleep for 2 hours.
That's not a good schedule for a working person.  She works half a day on
Friday and took a nap after getting home.  He allowed her to sleep then.
She says this weekend she has been sleeping from 5 am to 11 am, but she
cant' do that during the week.

Everyone isn't us, Nina.  I wish they were, it would be so much easier.  I
can't keep all these cats either - if I do I can't do rescue.  Though I am
frustrated and aggravated right now and not wanting to do rescue at the
moment.




On 3/18/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kelley,
> Just by your brief explanation it sounds like this guy is confused and
> scared.  Since he's affectionate during the day, and you hinted that
> she's not giving him attention at night, I'm guessing he's calling out
> for reassurance.  Do you remember me telling the list about Sophie
> Matilda?  I had her confined to a bathroom because she's cat
> aggressive.  She cried day and night, (but it was worse at night), and
> would only settle down when I was with her.  This went on for what
> seemed like years, but was really only days.  I got very little sleep,
> (sleeping on a bathroom floor is not so great for my aching back
> either).  The scariest and most upsetting part for me was wondering if
> she would ever stop.  She actually cried herself hoarse.  Well, she did
> settle down and start to feel safe and at home.
>
> Give us more details.  Is this kitty free to sleep with his new mom or
> is she locking him out of her room at night?  See if you can get the
> adopter to give him more time.  You know, set a time limit to see if
> once he acclimates to his new surroundings and knows that he's home for
> good he'll stop crying.  If she'll give him just one more week, he may
> be just fine.  What's one week without sleep compared to the rest of
> their lives together?  Poor little guy, he deserves to have his human
> give him this consideration, I hope that she does.
> Nina
>
> Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I adopted out a cat on Thursday night.  The adopter called me today
> > and said he has been crying all night every night and she hasn't been
> > able to sleep at all.  He is fine during the day, very affectionate,
> > likes to give her kisses, but he will not let her sleep.  I need
> > suggestions, or else this adopter will return this cat.  As he's a
> > black cat, he is not going to have too many options.  She is not
> > petting him when he is crying.  He is eating and using the litterbox.
> > I don't know how to get this adopter past this.  She's willing to try
> > things for a few more days, but I don't think much longer than that.
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> >
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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

2007-03-19 Thread TenHouseCats


i think maybe someone needs to point out that two to three WEEKS is not an
abnormal adjustment period for ANY cat, in ANY home

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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

2007-03-19 Thread TenHouseCats

if she has to, for her own health and safety, she can always get earplugs
and shut him out of her room til he gets the message. not the best
option, perhaps, but sleep-deprivation isn't a good way to begin a
relationship, either.

On 3/19/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think she is likely to give him the time she needs as long as she can
sleep at least a little.

And I am grumpy as heck when I get no sleep.  I stayed with some friends
of mine years and years and years ago who had a newborn.  I think that is
when I decided I didn't want children.  Oh my LORD>

On 3/19/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i think maybe someone needs to point out that two to three WEEKS is not
> an abnormal adjustment period for ANY cat, in ANY home
>
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Re: cat food recall


well, purina CAT FOOD products
aren't.http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/purina03_07.html

On 3/20/07, Lora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Del,

I noticed that too.

Thank God Purina products are not manufactured via
menufoods!

Also, I noticed that Wal-Mart's generic store brand of
cat food "Special Kitty" is on this list.

However are all varities of "Special Kitty"
contaminated i.e. dry food, canned food, gravy-cuts or
is the list strictly for gravy-cuts ONLY?!


--- "Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Fancy Feast was not on the list either ... yet?


--- Lora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Lori.

I cannot believe I am saying this, but this might be
the first time where it was okay to feed your cat
"Friskies."

Although Friskies IS a commercial brand that is
neither high quality nor contains "human grade" meat,
I do not see any of their products on this list; which
is a plus in my book!

That is a relief for those of us who have cats who are
junk food junkies. :)

I cannot believe that Nutro Max Gourmet Classics and
Nutro Natural Choice made it on the list! Nutro is
supposed to be a high-end cat food!

Lora

--- Lori S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

These are the wet cuts in gravy kind. They should
all be off the shelves by now but check your
cupboards. I can't believe those varied brands are
made by the same company. My cats don't eat any of
these but check for yours.

Americas Choice, Preferred Pets
2. Authority
3. Best Choice
4. Companion
5. Compliments
6. Demoulas Market Basket
7. Eukanuba
8. Fine Feline Cat
9. Food Lion
10. Foodtown
11. Giant Companion
12. Hannaford
13. Hill Country Fare
14. Hy-Vee
15. Iams
16. Laura Lynn
17. Li'l Red
18. Loving Meals
19. Meijer's Main Choice
20. Nutriplan
21. Nutro Max Gourmet Classics
22. Nutro Natural Choice
23. Paws
24. Pet Pride
25. Presidents Choice
26. Price Chopper
27. Priority
28. Save-A-Lot
29. Schnucks
30. Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts Cans
31. Sophistacat
32. Special Kitty Canada
33. Special Kitty US
34. Springfield Prize
35. Sprout
36. Total Pet
37. Wegmans
38. Western Family
39. White Rose
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Re: cat food recall


my cats are ordering out for pizza and chinese til this is all resolved,
they tell me

On 3/20/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


well, purina CAT FOOD products
aren't.http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/purina03_07.html

On 3/20/07, Lora < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Del,
>
> I noticed that too.
>
> Thank God Purina products are not manufactured via
> menufoods!
>
> Also, I noticed that Wal-Mart's generic store brand of
> cat food "Special Kitty" is on this list.
>
> However are all varities of "Special Kitty"
> contaminated i.e. dry food, canned food, gravy-cuts or
> is the list strictly for gravy-cuts ONLY?!
>
>
> --- "Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fancy Feast was not on the list either ... yet?
>
>
> --- Lora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lori.
>
> I cannot believe I am saying this, but this might be
> the first time where it was okay to feed your cat
> "Friskies."
>
> Although Friskies IS a commercial brand that is
> neither high quality nor contains "human grade" meat,
> I do not see any of their products on this list; which
> is a plus in my book!
>
> That is a relief for those of us who have cats who are
> junk food junkies. :)
>
> I cannot believe that Nutro Max Gourmet Classics and
> Nutro Natural Choice made it on the list! Nutro is
> supposed to be a high-end cat food!
>
> Lora
>
> --- Lori S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> These are the wet cuts in gravy kind. They should
> all be off the shelves by now but check your
> cupboards. I can't believe those varied brands are
> made by the same company. My cats don't eat any of
> these but check for yours.
>
> Americas Choice, Preferred Pets
> 2. Authority
> 3. Best Choice
> 4. Companion
> 5. Compliments
> 6. Demoulas Market Basket
> 7. Eukanuba
> 8. Fine Feline Cat
> 9. Food Lion
> 10. Foodtown
> 11. Giant Companion
> 12. Hannaford
> 13. Hill Country Fare
> 14. Hy-Vee
> 15. Iams
> 16. Laura Lynn
> 17. Li'l Red
> 18. Loving Meals
> 19. Meijer's Main Choice
> 20. Nutriplan
> 21. Nutro Max Gourmet Classics
> 22. Nutro Natural Choice
> 23. Paws
> 24. Pet Pride
> 25. Presidents Choice
> 26. Price Chopper
> 27. Priority
> 28. Save-A-Lot
> 29. Schnucks
> 30. Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts Cans
> 31. Sophistacat
> 32. Special Kitty Canada
> 33. Special Kitty US
> 34. Springfield Prize
> 35. Sprout
> 36. Total Pet
> 37. Wegmans
> 38. Western Family
> 39. White Rose
> 40. Winn Dixie
>
>
>
>
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Re: Latest Slinky Update

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Re: Doxy and IR and Epogen, oh my! What to do?


i THINK that doxy or one of the others in its class (i can't spell today or
i'd try) are amongst the ones either cheap or free at the big drug
chains--wal-mart here doesn't care who writes the scrip, human or medical
doc so if you get the human dosage in a form that's divisible into
feline terms, you may be able to do it quite inexpensively.

i don't know about the IR or epogen, price-wise; i always do web-searches to
get a sense of the range

there are no easy answers to, "how much do i do," and, "for how long?" the
answer, i think, is different for each cat and for each person. my reasons
and feelings might not be yours, and vice versa. i would, however, try to
quiet yourself, and ask slinky what HE wants, and to very specifically ask
him to tell you/show you when he's ready to go on--and to let him know that
it's okay with you if that's what he needs to do. (not that you want him to
go, but)

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On 3/20/07, Marissa Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all.  First, another brief update on Slinky:

Last night around 2:30 his temp spiked to 106!  We gave him 75 cc's of
fluids and that seemed to help.  It's been hovering in the 104.3-104.7range 
today.  Still high, but not as scary as 106.  My friend is giving him
fluids (both sub-q and oral), keeping him on a cold pack, and taking his
temp every hour to get a good log.  It seems to start rising in the evening
and then spike in the middle of the night.

Our vet appointment is tomorrow at 5:40.  The challenge I'm trying to sort
out right now is what the next steps should be.  Based on my own research
and all the info you guys have been so awesome to provide, it seems like
there's about 3 "options": Epogen to increase the red blood cells, Doxy to
treat possible Hemobartanella, Immuno Regulin to stimulate his immune
system.

The doctor had said she'd consider Epogen if there was some regeneration
after the transfusion.  She was going to ask around about the IR, and she
said it "wouldn't be wrong" to switch to Doxy.  He's out of Baytril now, so
I'd like to try the Doxy.  The thing is...all of these treatments are going
to be expensive.  IR isn't too bad...and I could even take him to a cheaper
vet to get it administered (after the first dose to make sure he doesn't
have a big reaction).  But I don't know what Doxy and Epogen will cost.  And
I'm not sure how much my "Dad" is willing to pay at this point.

I'm not sure where to draw the line on trying treatments, spending money,
putting him through all these things, etc.  He's been very lethargic and
while he seems a LITTLE pinker, he's still very pale.  I mean, if he has no
quality of life then I don't want to continue to torture him.  But at the
same time, would the drugs give him back his quality of life?  Maybe?  I
don't know?  He's still eating (though not drinking as much but will take
water via syringe), so does that mean he wants to fight?

Do I do all 3 drugs and see what happens?  Or pick one or two?  If I pick
one or two, how do I decide?  Or do I do them one at a time and then which
do I start with?

These are all the things going through my mind right now.  I've got a call
in to the doctor to talk to her about some of this prior to our appointment
(esp. since I'd need to order IR if we're going to do it).  I also have to
call "dad" and see what he thinks.  But I just don't know how to make these
decisions!  I feel so ill-equipped for this!  All I know is that he's
depending on me and I'm responsible for his care...and I have NO clue what
to do!!!

Any thoughts, suggestions, or advice on how to move forward would be
awesome!  Thanks everyone for being such an incredible support network!!
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Re: FeLV Supportive Vets in DC Area?


good time to remind everyone to post the name and contact info of their
FeLV-friendly vets
at www.adopt.bemikitties.com -- makes it much easier for everyone else when
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Re: Mama Kitty Update


oh, i'm glad you went, too!

keeping all the paws in the house crossed that she responds as quickly and
as well as she did last year--and, with you, grateful that she's helped
educate another group of vets

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Re: Mama Kitty

for anyone giving fluids regularly (for crf, etc) you can add the vitamin b
complex or whatever to the fluids--3ccs per bag. makes the fluids a rather
odd color, but the cats don't seem to mind...

i do injectible b-complex shots when necessary--it's so hard to get pills
and liquids into the teeny-tiny persian mouth, and they really don't seem to
mind the injections very much. (she says, ignoring that still-healing bite
on her left index finger where the siberian took exception to her
depo/b-complex shot of two weeks ago.)

MC

On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's definitely worth a try.  There's got to be a sneaky way to do it :0)

elizabeth

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>
>Elizabeth,
>She still may not like the taste, it's the vitamin B that has the
> overpowering taste.  Maybe you can try adding some to tuna juice, I
> think the dose is a 1/4 teaspoon twice a day.  I just put some in Fred's
> food when I make a batch.  He gets fed through the feeding tube so no
> fuss from him:)
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Re: petfood recall questions


http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/03/20/pet-food-recall-how-many-deaths/

i think that link is being updated frequently as info comes in.

i had heard the one-in-six figure from the research the company did after
the first reports came in--when they tested the foods on their test animals
and 10 of the 60 died

here's a link to the AVMA statement for pet owners--
http://www.pr-inside.com/avma-offers-advice-to-pet-owners-r71034.htm



On 3/21/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Where is this estimate from?

Also, can anyone tell me how long before onset of symtoms from the tainted
food, or how much or how little of the food might have an impact?

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  * *
*It is estimated 1 out of every 6 is affected by these foods that will
die.*





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Re: Looking for a good canned food/other things too


i think that we exist in one another's lives to spark those brain-cells that
are dimming in ALL of us--and most of us have no real "excuse" for the
random-accessibility of our memories. we each hold different pieces of
the puzzle, and until we sit down and compare edges, things just don't fit
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Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia

if you had been able to notice something sooner, you would have. we do the
best we can with the information at hand. now you know, and can act--there's
not a damned thing you can do to change anything that's gone before, except
waste time and energy that joey and the others need.. maybe part of the
reason joey came to YOU, and not to anyone else, was to teach a GOOD,
conscientious rescuer, what this particular condition can look like. so
that you WILL know it next time, and so that the two of you can teach the
rest of us.

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I always blame myself..dont' we always?  If I had noticied something
sooner, maybe he'd have a better chance..how many times I have said that...

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Re: petfood recall questions

ave lost its
> appetite in the past
> few days.

*Here is a link to the AVMA that is offering advice.*
*http://www.pr-inside.com/avma-offers-advice-to-pet-owners-r71034.htm*
*Please read this is has interesting information regarding the recalls and
media.*
*http://www.howl911.com/*
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In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:04:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Where is this estimate from?

Also, can anyone tell me how long before onset of symtoms from the tainted
food, or how much or how little of the food might have an impact?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  **
*It is estimated 1 out of every 6 is affected by these foods that will
die.*

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Re: petfood recall questions

interesting information regarding the recalls and
media.*
*http://www.howl911.com/*
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In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:04:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Where is this estimate from?

Also, can anyone tell me how long before onset of symtoms from the tainted
food, or how much or how little of the food might have an impact?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  **
*It is estimated 1 out of every 6 is affected by these foods that will
die.*

**

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

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Re: petfood recall questions

what's REALLY scary about that, tho, susan, is how badly the human food
sources are policed. salmonella, toxo, e-coli...

On 3/21/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

According to my cats, roasted turkey, baked skinless boneless chicken
breasts, and just about anything else that I might eat is very safe for
them.  They have encouraged me to buy accordingly.

*cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

I saw where Science Diet is doing a voluntary recall
on their Feline Savory Cuts because it was
co-manufactured by Menu Foods. I just called because
I have a dog on Hills K/D and a cat on Hills X/D. I
wanted to be sure that Menu Foods wasn't involved in
these foods in anyway. I was assured they were not.
The rest of my crew eat Friskies (Fancy Feast), 9Lives
and Pedigree. This is getting scary. Who knows what
is safe anymore.

Cindy Reasoner

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>
> I have been trying to find this out as well.
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> In a message dated 3/21/2007 9:06:41 A.M. Pacific
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Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now


always wonderful when they get hissy about going to the vet, isn't it?

sending lots of love and GLOW to both of you, but can't talk--just noticed a
HUGE thunderstorm coming in!





On 3/21/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mama Kitty and I just got home from the vet's office.  The Acemannan came
in (less than 24 hours - that was very good).

I knew Mama was feeling a bit better this afternoon because she did put up
some protest about going to the vet's today.  They took her temperature and
her fever is gone!  She got more fluids today.

She was more vocal today -- that is much more like her.  Instead of taking
us to one of the patient rooms - they took us straight back to where they do
procedures and surgery.  I've been going there a long time so I guess they
know I'm not going to get in the way.  Dr. Reid is a wonder about giving
those shots that go through the skin and directly into the stomach.  The vet
tech holds her standing up and he does the shot.  My doctor said that
actually a shot like this is less painful than one that goes under the skin
-- he explained about why and the nerves in the skin, etc.

We're scheduled every Wednesday for the next month or so to come in for
one of these shots.

Maybe it is my imagination - but I could swear that by the time we got
home - Mama was feeling even better.  The first thing she did was have a few
bites of salmon.

Dr. Reid is concerned about her drinking enough water so I will be keeping
an eye on that.  He recommends making ice cubes from chicken stock (not the
low sodium kind)you put the ice cube in a bowl or plate for them.  They
can play with it - but also they won't drink it too fast.  My understanding
is that the sodium in the broth makes them more thirsty and so they will
drink more water.  (I don't think you should use stock that is made with
onions because anything from the allium family is taboo for kitties).

So - thanks for everyone who sent well wishes and thought of us.  I am
cautiously optimistic.  Mama Kitty is on the porch sunbathing (since mean
ol' mommy made her stay inside today while she was away).  We'll keep you
posted.





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good follow-up info on pet-food recall


this seems to have a number of links for ongoing, up-to-date info
crosspost responsibly.

http://howl911.com/

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Re: [FIVCats2] good follow-up info on pet-food recall


what was scary to me, because it could have just been typical tv
carelessness--or not--was that the nightline story last night was showing
DRY FOOD--and supposedly only wet and semi-moist food is affected... the
implication in the story was that was the exact food that sickened the dog.

i know that i feel like i'm walking a very fine line between wanting to make
sure that everyone has the facts, WITHOUT adding to any panic but not
feeling secure at all that anyone really knows what the truth is

and please, talk to all your friends who are NOT on-line, and may have some
of this food in their homes. especially older folks who might not be paying
as much attention to the news, or who may have more trouble reading the lot
numbers... with the numbers they're not estimating may be affected, just
tell everyone you meet, i guess...  (oh, heavens, there's marychristine,
again, harassing people on the street, asking them about what they feed
their pets. they're gonna arrest that girl one of these days yet! good thing
she has friends who will bail her out, eh?)

On 3/22/07, RS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thank you for this list. I see where Wellness is made by Menu Foods and
its not on the recall list for some reason.

*TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

 this seems to have a number of links for ongoing, up-to-date info
crosspost responsibly.

http://howl911.com/

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Re: Fred - Crisis, prayers needed please


sending lots of loving GLOW to both of you to find the right path through
this one

hopefully it is just the meds needing adjustment and he'll be back to his
own self very soon!

MC


On 3/22/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi All,
  Fred my CRF furkid is having some problems, I took him in to the vet
last night because he gave out a meow that sounded like nothing he has
ever done before and when he tried to stand and walk he did about a half
turn and then plopped back to the rug and his front feet were
twitching.  He's been twitching off and on for a while.

He's been on Norvasc for high blood pressure for a while but apparently
his dose is no longer high enough, his BP was 230 at the vets
yesterday.  I called the vet in while he was twitching and she is very
concerned about his BP, she told me to give him double his dose when I
got home, he had already had his usual dose that morning.  Then she said
to give his regular dose in this AM and another dose in the afternoon
today.  He will get double what he's been getting from now on.

I didn't feed or mess with him the rest of the night yesterday, and he
twitched off and on all night.  He was very unsteady on his feet and
slept for the most part.  This morning he is not himself still.  He is
not as unsteady and not twitching that I've noticed yet but seems very
slow and just looks like he doesn't feel good.  I gave him his
metachloprimide and am going to feed him shortly, I'm going to wait and
give him his BP med close to the time the vet opens so if I have to run
him down they will be open, they open at 6:30AM, it's 6AM now.

Please pray that whatever is going on, hopefully it is just his BP and
the increased BP meds will control it, if not, that whatever it is we'll
figure it out and can help him feel better.  He looks the worse he ever
has since this all started.

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"The ABCs of Homemade Cat and Dog Diets"


tonight at 9ET--sorry for the short notice! hopefully, there'll be a
transcript available afterwards


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Re: Mama Kitty - back from the vet's just now

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pet-food contaminant found?


for those of you who haven't seen this yet:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2975912&page=1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17754681/

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menu foods will reimburse medical costs if.....

-- Forwarded message --
From: ABC News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mar 23, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Breaking News Fri., March 23, 2007
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

PET FOOD MAKER MENU FOODS SAYS IT WILL REIMBURSE MEDICAL COSTS IF PET OWNERS
CAN SHOW THEIR ANIMALS DIED FROM TAINTED FOOD. WATCH 'WORLD NEWS' FOR A FULL
REPORT.

http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

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Re: menu foods will reimburse medical costs if.....


i don't trust the things that go into HUMAN food.

On 3/23/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Good point!  I think this is huge...and it is unthinkably horrible.  I
hope beyond reason that if one good thing come out of this horror may it be
that the quality of products that go into cat food improves.

elizabeth


On 3/23/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> And I'd like to know what they consider adequate proof of a nexus
> between the tainted food and the illness.
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Re: DRY FOOD Problem now too!!!!


i agree with susan on both of her last posts--doesn't have to have the wheat
in it to have been near it

and while i respect belinda's judgment a lot, i, too, am VERY nervous about
putting something like this out in public.

PLEASE crosspost this or share it very discriminately



On 3/23/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Cross contamination can occur from using the same equipment and supplies,
not just from using the same raw inngredients.

*Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

 Oh this is not good!  Also, Wellness used Menu to manufacture their food
but said they had their own suppliers & not to worry about cross
contamination…  I just don't know!

 *Chris*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Belinda
*Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2007 10:58 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* DRY FOOD Problem now too

 *This was forwarded to me by some one I personally know and know is
reliable:*


  This was just forwarded to me it's apparently not just wet food
making pets sick
**

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to give you a little more info on the food recall.

I was feeding Nutro Max small bites (DRY) to my 3 Aussies and 1 Corgi. For
the last 3 weeks on and off all 4 dogs have vomited yellow bile. I did not
think much of it because it was on and  off...maybe they were eating
snow...whatever. Then the recall...only wet?

 My brother called me on Sunday on the way back from the Rescue show  and
his 10 yr old Sheltie spayed bitch was vomiting bile on and off for a few
days and now has blood in her urine. They brought in a UA and dog is being
treated for a UA infection.

Yesterday he called me and his male-13 month old German Shepherd has blood
in its urine...guess what...feeding DRY Nutro Max. Another UA to vets. No
infection.

The dispatcher at the police department where I work over heard me
 talking to my brother...she has 2 mixes on Nutro Ultra DRY...they have
been vomiting bile on and off for about 4 weeks.

A women in my obedience class...her mother has a Terrier on Nutro All
Natural DRY...dog is being treated for blood in urine.

 The dispatcher called the FDA today and spoke with Bill Boiven
(Spelling) at 781-596-7783. She gave him all our info and he contacted me.
Guess what!!! They have already started to launch an investigation on the
dry dog food. They are getting millions of  phone calls about this. He did
tell me that the foods are processed by 2 different manufactures but this is
way to coincidental.

 Yes I have now put my dogs on boiled rice, hamburger and Wellness.  Just
thought some of you might want to know and maybe call if you are having
problems. Seems to be more wide spread than wet or canned.

 Thanks
Alicia Campbell
Moonstone Shepherds


*I found this on the FDA's website:*


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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.


yeah, that's me--keen powers of the obvious

seriously tho, i've always suspected that crying behavior in a new
environment is sort of like a sonar-thing, too the cat is trying to
locate themselves in time and space, and listening to hear where he is by
how his own voice bounces back defining their new boundaries, maybe?

and it makes sense in terms of older cats who get "lost" in their own houses
and cry and cry, too. (well, it makes sense to me.)



On 3/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 earplugs.. LOLOLOL! MC, you are so smart... and good at pointing out the
obvious when no-one else sees it, LOL! I missed you while I was gone!

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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.


well, it hasn't worked yet, so he'll need to try a lot harder!
fleaing

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 I must somehow record Tigger at bath time, you've never heard a noise
like he makes, LOL! Sonar indeed! Personally, I think it's kitty voo-doo,
he's casting some terrible spell that will render me harmless and save him
from the terrors of the sink!

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Re: Here are the instructions for setting your account to "no mail" on this type of list


um, sweetie--we DID survive without you. really.

(i kept finding guerilla IMs from this woman while she was incommunicado,
who'd sneak out into the dark VT night to use other people's internet
connection, just so she could leave me "to do" instructions)

hee hee

On 3/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here are the instructions for setting your account to "no mail" on this
type of list.
Everyone might want to save this, as it may come in handy someday! (you
never know
when someone may decide that they need to be instantly removed and come
begging for
this info while I am offline, LOL)

Go to this page:
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/Felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Scroll down to the bottom, and see where it has an area to enter your
email address
right below where it says "To unsubscribe from Felvtalk, get a password
reminder, or
change your subscription options enter your subscription email address"
Enter your email address there, and click the button beside it that says
"unsubscribe
or edit options".

That will take you to another page. The TOP place to enter anything on
that page is
for your password, enter your password there, and click the button under
it that says
"log in".
(NOTE that if you do not know, or have forgotten your password, the option
to have it
mailed to you is ALSO on this page, at the bottom!)

This takes you to a page that has lots of different things on it. There
are headings
in yellowish/tanish colored areas, look for these, find the 4th row down,
the one
that says "Your Felvtalk Subscription Options", below that one there are
areas that
are darker grey, the first one says this:

Mail delivery
Set this option to Enabled to receive messages posted to this mailing
list. Set it to
Disabled if you want to stay subscribed, but don't want mail delivered to
you for a
while (e.g. you're going on vacation). If you disable mail delivery, don't
forget to
re-enable it when you come back; it will not be automatically re-enabled.
There are little checkboxes beside that, click the one that says
"disabled", and then
scroll down to the bottom of the page and click the button that says
"submit my
changes".

That should be all you have to do, and you wont get any more mail after
the changes
go through (give it a few hours to take effect). When you come back, go to
the same
pages, and do the same thing, except, instead of clicking the "disabled"
box, click
the "Enabled" box instead, and then you will begin to get the list emails
again. Hope
that helps!

I would think it should be obvious by this point, if you truly wish to
UNSUBSCRIBE,
just go up to step one above, and choose the UNSUBSCRIBE option rather
than going
through the full process to set to no mail delivery. :-)

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Re: another good pet food recall website with updated info


that's one of the ones on the www.howl911.com site



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 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/category/2007-food-recall/
This one has self-reported numbers of pets who have died... and updates on
the plant that was the source of the contamination... it's finally shutting
down... for a few days.

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Re: Looking for a good canned food


i'm kind of surprised that whiskas--9 lives--friskies aren't advertising
like crazy right now. makes me really worry that they know something we
don't--like that their products might show up on the list one of these
days.



On 3/24/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have one who will ONLY eat the Friskies shredded cheese and turkey in
gravy. And the turkey prime fillets is the preferred cat food of my pickiest
eater.

From what I can determine, Friskies and Fancy Feast are not manufactured
by Menu Foods.  I would like to know everything that has been manufactured
by Menu Foods in the last 6-8 months though.

*elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

LOL  how funny!  i got some for my cats and they wouldn't touch the stuff
:-/

elizabeth


On 3/24/07, Gina WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LOL My Pippin used to try to "bury" the Innova wet food!
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> *Try Shredded Friskies...Turkey and Cheese, Salmon and Cheese. *
> *My cats devour this stuff and will begged for it.*
> **
> *Friskies Prime Fillets*
> *Fancy Feast Medley*
> *Whiskas*
> **
> *Buy a can of each so you can get an idea what the kitty will eat.*
> *I have bought the expensive food in the past and it was a waste of
> money they wouldn't eat it...tried to bury it!*
> *My Vets that are Felv/Fiv friendly say give what they will eat to get
> the something solid and water from the wetfood. *
> *Too many changes in food isn't good for them due their digestive tract.
> So be careful.*
> **
> *I too remember feeding my cats years ago Puss n Boots and Friskies in
> the big cans. *
> *It was when there wasn't so many varieties as today but they were happy
> with it.*
> *Didn't have all the health problems either...makes ya wonder though.*
> *Boy, times have changed!*
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Re: any other catfood suggestions


you got that right!

Love sustains any of us more than food ever will.

was writing to nina last night, and a refrain from an old judy collins
song popped into my head very applicable to a lot of the
contentious things we discuss here.

"There is no one who can show you
the road you should be on;
they can only tell you they can show you
then in the morning they'll be gone."

ie, listen, learn, trust yourself enough to make your own decisions.

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Re: Looking for a good canned food


class and advertising are usually oxymorons--maybe i'm just too jaded,
but i HAVE gotten lots of EMAIL ads for other foods. i think
advertisers will do anything to make money if they think they can.

maybe because big companies keep getting away with it when they
disregard public safety, so don't care as much as they might if the
laws on the books were enforced?

On 3/24/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Good point, Susan.  I think the lack of disparaging remarks shows some
class.

I have to wonder - why are so many of these types of issues being brought
into focus now?  The question isn't "Are you paranoid?"it's "Are you
paranoid enough?"

elizabeth



On 3/24/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Any manufactured or processed product -- and even organic spinach -- can
land on the supermarket shelves with a contaminant of some sort at some
point.  It's been a week since this all hit.  Friskies and other pet food
sellers do have info on their websites.  I would not expect them to
advertise in a way that would be overtly disparaging of competitors --
liability issues -- but I wouldn't be surprised to see prices go up soon.
>
>
>
> "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> That is a very good--and scary--point.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
TenHouseCats
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Looking for a good canned food
>
> i'm kind of surprised that whiskas--9 lives--friskies aren't advertising
like crazy right now. makes me really worry that they know something we
don't--like that their products might show up on the list one of these
days.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/24/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > I have one who will ONLY eat the Friskies shredded cheese and turkey in
gravy. And the turkey prime fillets is the preferred cat food of my pickiest
eater.
> >
> > From what I can determine, Friskies and Fancy Feast are not manufactured
by Menu Foods.  I would like to know everything that has been manufactured
by Menu Foods in the last 6-8 months though.
> >
> >
> > elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > LOL  how funny!  i got some for my cats and they wouldn't touch the
stuff :-/
> >
> > elizabeth
> >
> >
> > On 3/24/07, Gina WN < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL My Pippin used to try to "bury" the Innova wet food!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Try Shredded Friskies...Turkey and Cheese, Salmon and Cheese.
> > > My cats devour this stuff and will begged for it.
> > >
> > > Friskies Prime Fillets
> > > Fancy Feast Medley
> > > Whiskas
> > >
> > > Buy a can of each so you can get an idea what the kitty will eat.
> > > I have bought the expensive food in the past and it was a waste of
money they wouldn't eat it...tried to bury it!
> > > My Vets that are Felv/Fiv friendly say give what they will eat to get
the something solid and water from the wetfood.
> > > Too many changes in food isn't good for them due their digestive
tract. So be careful.
> > >
> > > I too remember feeding my cats years ago Puss n Boots and Friskies in
the big cans.
> > > It was when there wasn't so many varieties as today but they were
happy with it.
> > > Didn't have all the health problems either...makes ya wonder though.
> > > Boy, times have changed!
> > >
> > > Terrie Mohr-Forker
> > >
> > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
> > > SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> > > Donations accepted at:
> > > https://www.paypal.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > http://www.felineleukemia.org/
> > >
> > > http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html
> > >
> > > http://www.petloss.com/
> > >
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Re: any other catfood suggestions

da
to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to
make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of
myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely
cannot take care of another living thing.

Beth

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have,
there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food,
then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less
expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that
doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a
meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can
afford to take proper care of them. That being said...

Healthwise is the "cheap" food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not
consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far
down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you -
something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though,
and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's
the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes
it) is very good at getting it to most areas:
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someone who is GOOD at marketing, etc


you know, they have these businesses all over the country for people
to get together and cook up a week's worth of meals with other people,
in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company, instructions, all the
ingredients--

someone needs to start up a business, then franchise it, doing that
for homemade pet-meals! people could get together, talk about their
critters, share information--and go home with food!

too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to manifesting anything i
visualize. the concrete details slay me

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Re: Looking for a good canned food

doesn't all wheat have gluten? isn't that why people with celiac
disease can't eat products with wheat? (and so what, if the same
equipment was used to process the stuff with rice or something
else. i don't think that rat poison  cares what it clings to.)

what are SAFE sources of protein in this world anymore, anyway? for
humans OR critters? i just cannot see myself going out and chasing
down mice for the cats, as much as i love them--and how do i know the
MICE haven't eaten poison

On 3/24/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I hear you.  Has Menu foods even acknowledged that there was rat poison
in the wheat they bought from China?  I haven't seen it yet if they
have.  It hasn't stopped me from checking all labels for wheat gluten
though.
N

Susan Hoffman wrote:
> This is the line that troubles me -- "effected by the recall"  I hear
> it a lot these days.  What does it mean?  Products added to the recall
> list mid-week were not "effected by the recall" the day before.  Does
> it mean their products don't have wheat, weren't  made by Menu Foods,
> are not on the recall listyet?
>
> I want a complete list of every consumable, for animals and for
> people, manufactured by Menu Foods since August.  I want to know when
> they started doing business with the suspect Chinese supplier.  And I
> want to know who else bought wheat from that same supplier and what
> products it was used in.  Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go read
> the labels on the canned chili in my kitchen

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Re: Looking for a good canned food

no, not that we can't be safe from all hazards, but that we're really
fooling ourselves if we think that our food sources have been safe for
a long time.

we've all heard about SPORADIC outbreaks of e-coli, salmonella, etc
etc and seen videos of horrible things happening at
slaughterhouses, but could talk ourselves out of worrying too much
because they WERE hit-and-miss.

think about what this would be like on a human scale if ONE company
was responsible for processing the same percentage of human food as it
turns out menu foods seems to be with pet food and with the trend
to multi-national corporations, factory farms  rather than smaller,
individually managed (and maintained) ones, that might be where our
own food supply is heading.

i think this could be the wake-up call we have been not wanting to
hear. sadly, maybe we'll listen more clearly cuz it's our critters

i guess i'm saying that i'm not really surprised, because too many bad
things have been allowed to go on for a long time, in the name of
"progress," and "corporate ethics." and not enough people have stood
up and said, "NO, this is NOT acceptable."

oh, heck, i have to have a POINT? damn. that may change my whole
outlook on life.

On 3/24/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Perhaps all wheat has gluten, but I highly doubt it all comes from the
same source in China.  I don't know.  Now I have to go find my glasses
and check the label on my Roman Meal bread!  Could it be possible that
Menu Foods also produces processed foods for people too?  Or that they
are not the only ones cutting cost corners by not testing the raw
ingredients that they use in their products?  Sheesh.

Is your point that we are never safe from the hazards of life as we know
it?  I've lived long enough to acknowledge that we can't safeguard
against every frightening contingency out there, (or in our cupboard).
But what's a conscientious human to do?  We have to do what we always
strive to do, keep ourselves as educated and informed as possible,
(thanks to you for alerting us first about this latest plague on our
complacency) and give thanks that we have made it through another day.
I hate it when my nice, safe illusionary cocoon is disrupted.  Are you
saying we should patch our collective cocoons and use prayers and glow
to protect us?  What the heck is your point MC? :-)
Nina

TenHouseCats wrote:
> doesn't all wheat have gluten? isn't that why people with celiac
> disease can't eat products with wheat? (and so what, if the same
> equipment was used to process the stuff with rice or something
> else. i don't think that rat poison  cares what it clings to.)
>
> what are SAFE sources of protein in this world anymore, anyway? for
> humans OR critters? i just cannot see myself going out and chasing
> down mice for the cats, as much as i love them--and how do i know the
> MICE haven't eaten poison

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Re: Looking for a good canned food


so maybe the point is, we do the best we can with the information we
have at the moment

and hold onto our cats and one another for dear life.


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Re: OT, but cute


AW

On 3/25/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I adopted out a little bobtail boy to a very nice family with a 3.5 year old
and 2 dogs.  His new mom called me last night and told me that when she
asked her son if he wanted a kitty, he said nohe wants TWO kitties!  A
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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

; > > Kelley
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > > http://www.rescuties.org
> > >
> > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>



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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.


that's right, i'd forgotten about the ferret she'd lost--part of her
grieving process could have been thinking that a nice, simple kitty
would help, and obsidian had other ideas!



On 3/25/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't think it has been a terrible experience.  We have learned something
about Obsidian - he dislikes covered litter boxes and would probably be
better placed with a kitty friend.  It was a week and a half, so should be
no more traumatic than being boarded.

The adopter has learned something about herself - and yes, she is a young
woman.  She did have an elderly ferret previously who died after a long
illness.  I've never had a ferret - perhaps they are less messy - I
certainly think they are smellier, cute though they are.



On 3/25/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i would MUCH rather have an adopter who recognized her limitations,
> early on, and returned the cat that to NOT do so, and have the cat
> stuck there, unloved and resented.
>
> i gather this is a young woman, and this was her first critter on her
> own--next time she'll have a much better idea of what's involved, and
> be better able to decide whether she's cut out to be a cat parent. at
> least obsidian will be returned to a safe place, and not tossed out
> onto the street or into a kill shelter.
>
> MC
>
> On 3/25/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > "Condition of her house"?  Definitely get the cat back.  Hope she never
has
> > a child, or a husband or live-in boyfriend, or a houseguest who stays
more
> > than two days.  (If I was concerned about the condition of my house, I
> > wouldn't let myself live in it.  Just rope everything off and look at it
> > from afar.)
> >
> >
> > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think he is coming back.  She emailed me a few days ago and told me
she
> > didn't think she was cut out to be a good kitty owner.  She's not home
> > enough and "is too concerned about the condition of her house."  So she
will
> > bring him back to me and he and I will try again:)
> >
> >
> > On 3/25/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > maybe give her a t-shirt with your scent on it, or a towel or
something
> > with your other cats' scents?
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Nina,
> > >
> > > he can sleep whereever he wants.  She says he gets in bed with her for
> > 20-30 minutes, then gets tired of that and gets out of bed and starts
pacing
> > and crying and does that until 5 am..  It almost broke my heart.
> > >
> > > She says she can't live without sleep forever, and I see her point.
He
> > apparently stops crying about 5 am, and she gets to sleep for 2 hours.
> > That's not a good schedule for a working person.  She works half a day
on
> > Friday and took a nap after getting home.  He allowed her to sleep then.
> > She says this weekend she has been sleeping from 5 am to 11 am, but she
> > cant' do that during the week.
> > >
> > > Everyone isn't us, Nina.  I wish they were, it would be so much
easier.  I
> > can't keep all these cats either - if I do I can't do rescue.  Though I
am
> > frustrated and aggravated right now and not wanting to do rescue at the
> > moment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/18/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Kelley,
> > > > Just by your brief explanation it sounds like this guy is confused
and
> > > > scared.  Since he's affectionate during the day, and you hinted that
> > > > she's not giving him attention at night, I'm guessing he's calling
out
> > > > for reassurance.  Do you remember me telling the list about Sophie
> > > > Matilda?  I had her confined to a bathroom because she's cat
> > > > aggressive.  She cried day and night, (but it was worse at night),
and
> > > > would only settle down when I was with her.  This went on for what
> > > > seemed like years, but was really only days.  I got very little
sleep,
> > > > (sleeping on a bathroom floor is not so great for my aching back
> > > > either).  The scariest and most upsetting part for me was wondering
if
> > > > she would ever stop.  She actually cried herself hoarse.  Well, she
did
> > > > settle down and start to feel safe and at home.
> > > >
> > > > Gi

Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.


don't forget, too, that too many people buy the "cats are neat and
tidy" public-relations campaign line.. they may be neat and tidy
in their own personal hygiene, but can wreak total havoc on the
human's surroundings. as most of us have learned to our chagrin
and amazement. (who knew a cat could get UP that high, with no
climbing points)



On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



oh yeah... for sure! "Too concerned for the condition of her house" sounds
really bad. Perhaps you would like to consider using my home visit form and
doing pre-adoptive home visits? I have found that I can completely eliminate
those types of adopters by a good home visit with lots of questions (it
takes about 45 minutes to complete it when done right). I'd be happy to send
you a copy of the form if you want it.

Phaewryn

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Re: Do you remember Esprit?


one of my negative coon-a-bees has developed hay-fever-type allergies
in just the past three years--as have i. we're not that far from
where we've lived before, but the vegetation is different and it
knocks up both out (pretty bad when you're fighting with your cat
over who gets the eyedrops first.)

On 3/25/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Esprit has never had this before, in well over a year since she left the
Merced shelter.  She's an older girl, over 5 years, and vaccinated against
rhinotraceitis, and she's an only cat.  So I think a sudden herpes flareup
is unlikely.  This is her first spring in southern California though and the
plant life is very different.  I know the first year in a new climate, for
people and for cats, can require a little adjustment to new pollens.


"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, it's a common transient herpes infection symptom, so that's something
to consider. It works kind of like genital herpes in humans, it's fine until
one day "boom", an outbreak happens, then you treat the outbreak, and it
goes away, till the next time another one flares up. Lysine would be the
only thing I could suggest, if she's not already supplementing with it. Well
Feline Interferon Omega would help, but it's kinda hard to get and expensive
for just a little eye booger syndrome, if it's not causing him any
discomfort. Even if it is Herpes, it's very treatable and not a big concern,
as the outbreaks are usually limited to runny eyes and the occasional
sneezing. She should watch the eye for ulcer formation, which is not as
common of a symptom, but more serious. Herpes should never be treated with
steroid eye ointments or drops, so unless she completely rules out herpes,
do NOT use an anti-inflammatory eye medication that contains steroids. An
antibiotic eye medication wouldn't hurt anything though, just on the off
chance it is some kind of infection. I believe Terramycin is one that
doesn't contain any steroids, just be sure to read the label, as LOTS of the
commonly prescribed eye ointments and drops DO have steroids in them. Oh,
and one more thing, she can give him a half a benadryl tablet (up to 12.5 MG
- 1/4 tablet if he's a smaller cat)... if it is allergies, that should help
substantially (but will make him groggy).

Phaewryn

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Re: any other catfood suggestions


patti, hon, i don't know what you're quoting from, because i think that's
phaewyrn's terminology, not mine, and even if it were, i'm pretty sure i
didn't have anything to say about it yesterday!

my feelings have been noted before--as have yours and phaewyrn's. we
disagree. i think there are FAR worse choices than science diet--

and if we're gonna stop using everything that has or is suspected of having
carcinogens in them, we may as well just give up, because we're living in a
time of such corporate irresponsibility and lack of ethics that there would
be rat poison in human food if it meant production costs were lower and the
manufacturers thought they wouldn't be caught.

i know of far more cats who have died from bacterially caused illness from
being fed raw diets than can be linked to science diet... it's just NOT
black and white.

MC



On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 In a message dated 3/24/07 3:04:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Science Diet CRAP?

 It has been proven that Science Diet (&Eukanuba) use a preservative known
to be a carsinogenative..

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Re: cat food recall-royal cannin

did anyone notice that, during the first day or so of this recall,
there was an announcement that they'd identified the source of the
e-coli contamination from last summer? (to be honest, i didn't pay
that much attention to it, because the pet-food thing was more
important.) the point is that it's likely to take months for them to
know for sure, IF THEY EVER DO, just what caused this, AND how
far-reaching it might be.

just found out that one of the FIVs we adopted out at the sanctuary
was a probably victim of the early contamination; he was a little off
his feed, so they gave him a can of his favorite junk food--one of the
recalled brands. very quick deterioration, very much in keeping
with how a rodenticide would affect a cat. GLOW for our bart, an
always-gentlemanly cat who would wait for all the other cats and
kittens to eat before doing so himself

On 3/25/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I was just reading an article in the LA Times...  It answered a question I
asked yesterday about whether it had  been substantiated by Menu Foods that
the wheat from China is indeed the culprit for the poisoning.  Here's part
of that article:

 Executives at Menu Foods said Friday that they didn't know how the rat
poison got into their products.  They said they had stopped using an
ingredient that might be responsible for the contamination.  The company
declined to say what it was.

 "We'll systematically go through every ingredient and eliminate them as a
possibility." said Richard Shields, Menu Foods' executive vice president.
"We don't believe our quality control was lax."

 Because aminopterin is widely used as a rodenticide in China, where Menu
Foods gets wheat gluten that is used to make pet "gravy" for some of its
pet-food brands, there is some suspicion that the country could be the
origin of the problem.  Although the FDA said it hadn't located the exact
source of the contamination, it did say it had traced the delivery route of
wheat gluten supplied to the Menu Foods plants in Kansas and New Jersey
where the contaminated food was produced.  Menu continues to produce pet
food at the two plants.

 If we knew for certain that the wheat gluten from China was the culprit,
then I would feel a tiny bit safer as I check every can in the house for
ingredients that included wheat...  How could it be that Menu Foods is
"systematically" checking every ingredient and not have started with the
ingredient under suspicion?  And if they did, why haven't we been told
unequivocally whether it is or isn't the ingredient responsible??  I don't
know why I'm even asking such a question, when Mr. Shields has the nerve to
be quoted as saying something as stupid as "We don't believe our quality
control was lax".  My guess is he's been having more frank and open
conversations with his attorneys than he's willing to have with us.
 Nina

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
I want to know this too..I have the prescription veterinary recovery formula
or whatever you call it...the one that is like a/d.

On 3/25/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me more about the royal canin recall?  I use the S/O for
all my cats
> t

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got dogs? pigs' ears recall....


http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/petrapport03_07.html

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Re: New food recall info


PLEASE, everyone, stay current by checking at www.howl911.com. some stuff
that's coming out on lists as, "new!" has been out for days, but people see
"new" and flip out.  the facts are bad enough--adding to the panic doesn't
really help.

this site, that both susan and i have posted numerous times now, is not run
by any one manufacturer or special interest, but has links to all sorts of
resources dealing with the issue--and it is updated as often as new info
comes in.

MC

On 3/26/07, C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 The just stated on my local radio station that all wet pet food
manufactured at Menu foods is to be recalled, not just the ones on the
official recall list.

I haven't been able to find much info on this, however, and have no idea
what is safe anymore.

I feed my cats canned Innova EVO, and Performatrin, both manufactured at
Menu, but don't use wheat and not on the list.

I feed my dog Pedigree canned, and I can't find any info as to where they
manufacture it.

Now, I have no idea what to feed my pets.  Most brands are saying they are
not on the recall list, but don't say where their canned food is
manufactured.

I was thinking of trying Friskies canned for my cats, but not sure where
it is made??

Maybe I will have to stick with just dry food for awhile, except for my
one diabetic cat that is only supposed to eat canned.

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Re: someone who is GOOD at marketing, etc


i was actually thinking of groups getting together and making homemade PET
FOOD MEALS, a la dr pitcairn or the others who've researched it
extensively

my cats, on the other hand.

On 3/26/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


absolutely.  i feed mine cooked chicken.  but full
plates of mashed potatoes with gravy, salisbury steak
with gravy, and green beans was what was pictured on
one of the plates.  i was thinking along those
lines...

:)
Wendy


--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Doesn't it depend what you feed them though?  I mean
> I wouldn't think they
> should eat oh..fettucini alfredo..but if they are
> eating cooked meat
> shouldn't it be ok?
>
> On 3/26/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i did see some flyers at the pet food store friday
> > where you can order home cooked 'people' food for
> your
> > dogs.  i didn't get the company name because i was
> too
> > busy laughing (not to mention, i saw the flyer on
> the
> > floor while using the restrooom).  the company is
> > serious though.  they have very nice color flyers.
> > the food looks just like what the black eyed pea
> cooks
> > up for it's customers.  not sure it's healthy
> though.
> > vets tell people not to feed their dogs people
> food.
> >
> > :)
> > wendy
> >
> > --- TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > you know, they have these businesses all over
> the
> > > country for people
> > > to get together and cook up a week's worth of
> meals
> > > with other people,
> > > in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company,
> > > instructions, all the
> > > ingredients--
> > >
> > > someone needs to start up a business, then
> franchise
> > > it, doing that
> > > for homemade pet-meals! people could get
> together,
> > > talk about their
> > > critters, share information--and go home with
> food!
> > >
> > > too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to
> > > manifesting anything i
> > > visualize. the concrete details slay me
> > >
> > > --
> > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
> > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference
> > >
> > > MaryChristine
> > >
> > > AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
> > > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ICQ: 289856892
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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> >
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> >
> >
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for Slinky and Marissa....


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Re: Anyone feed Diamond?


but don't forget that diamond foods had their own major recall last
year. theoretically, that SHOULD make them safer than other places, tho.



On 3/26/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I bought this variety on Saturday to see if they liked it. I really like
the ingredient list and the price.  $18 for 20 lbs.  This is cheaper than
most pet foods.


http://www.diamondpet.com/products/diamond_naturals/cats/dry_food/indoor_cat_formula/


On 3/26/07, Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Diamond makes the Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul products. When
> Ember first tested positive, I started her on Chicken Soup for the Cat
> Lover's Soul dry while I looked further into our options. She liked it a
> lot.
>
> Lance
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:25 -0500, "Kelley Saveika"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > said:
> > One of their varieties is corn and wheat free.  They state they have
> > nothing
> > to do with Menu foods.
> >
> > --
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> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> >
> > Please help Joey!
> > http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Re: Stamp


no words, beth

but i really applaud your priorities re: your neighbors and the yard
work--that struck me.

MC

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Re: Slinky - Sad News

beautiful, nina.

On 3/26/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Marissa,
I'm so sorry.  My eyes filled with tears when I read your news this
morning.  I had such high hopes for a miracle for you and your Slinky
boy.  I know you haven't come to this decision lightly and that the only
reason you would even consider this is to spare him any unnecessary
suffering.  MC has a quote that has given me comfort, something about it
being better to let them go a day too soon than an hour too late.

I have been on both sides of this terrible coin; waiting with hope only
to have them suffer, and living afterward with the fear that I made the
decision to help them cross too soon.  No matter what we do in these
circumstances we may be plagued by the possibility that we did the wrong
thing, (the dreaded "what ifs").  I just wanted to let you know that I
understand, and that I don't believe that it is possible to do "the
wrong thing" when these hard decisions are made from our hearts.  When
we lose the hope of recovery, then letting them go is the last gift of
love we can bestow on them.  The last act of protection we can provide.

I had such terrible regrets when I helped my Jazzy cross, but in the
weeks that followed I found myself replacing my self-recriminations with
acceptance.  Even if I hadn't made the decision I did, she most likely
would have been gone by then.  Finally, I was able to forgive myself,
not so much for the decisions I made, but for not being able to control
the circumstances of our time together.  I was able to forgive myself
for not being able to save her.  At least I can know that because I made
the decision I did, when I did, her suffering was not prolonged.  I know
that she knows I will always love her, that I'm grateful for the time
she graced my life and that no matter how many tears I shed, I will
never be sorry I took her in.  I can rest easier knowing that my sweet
bottle baby, whom I had protected and nurtured from the time I became
her surrogate mom, never had a moment of fear or want.  Not even at the
end of her all too short life.

I'm glad that you've made it possible to spend this time in Slinky's
company.  With how hard you've both fought, with all you and your family
have done for your darling Slink, I'm praying that you will be spared
the torture of any "what ifs".  Hold that angel close and know that he
has worked his way into all our hearts.
Much love to you,
Nina

Marissa Johnson wrote:
> Thanks for that reminder Phaewryn.  I've actually been able to
> postpone tomorrow's meeting (my boss had asked if I wanted to this
> morning because I've been sick, but like a dope I said I'd be
> okay!...but I was able to call everyone and tell them we're postponing
> it.  I think it's for the best all the way around).  So I've made the
> appointment for tomorrow evening at 6:40 - the last appointment of the
> day - and have found a friend to go with me.
>
> I can't believe I'm doing this.  It seems so...FINAL.  And I guess it
> is, but...wow.  I know it's what's best but that doesn't make it any
> easier.
>
> Anyway, Slink and I have the rest of tonight and all of tomorrow to be
> with each other.  Thanks again for all your support!
>
> MJ

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Re: Mama Kitty - seizure

2007-03-27 Thread TenHouseCats


oh, no.. was off-line during thunderstorms so missed this

lots and lots of GLOW for both of you.


On 3/27/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Susan,
Thank you for writing -- you've helped me take a deep breath.  I'll send
you an email off-list.

elizabeth


On 3/27/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have a cat who is epileptic though not FeLV+  She is controlled with
> phenobarbitol.  I'm leaving my office right now but if you want to talk feel
> free to email me off list.  I know how scary it is to see a grand mal
> seizure but it is still something you and the cat can cope with.
>
> *elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * wrote:
>
> I am so worried.
>
> When I got home this afternoon, I noticed that Mama Kitty didn't have a
> lot of spunk.  She ate well this morning but this afternoon, she didn't get
> up and go to the front door to go outside.  I picked her up and took her --
> she sat on the porch a bit and seemed interested in some cat food.  She
> really sat in one spot for a while though so I picked her up to hold her at
> pet her.  She wanted to get down so I let her.  She went to a place where
> she usually suns and all of the sudden started breathing very rapidly.  Her
> eyes looked very strange and she started to let out this low yell/growl.
> That's when she turned over on her side -- legs straight out and head lolled
> to the side..tongue sticking out.  It was a seizure.  There is no mistaking
> it.
>
> I thought she was going to die.
>
> She did this once last summer when I was giving her Pet Tinic.
>
> When it was over, I took her inside to her royal chair and just kept
> everyone very calm and still.  In a few minutes, she was purring again.  I
> got her to eat some fancy feast too and she ate fairly well.
>
> She seems tired - but ok.
>
> I started to take her to the ER (45 min drive away) -- but my heart told
> me not to.  I've been sitting beside her, keeping her calm and I put one of
> her favorite CDs on to soothe her.  Going to simmer some lavender oil.  I
> was supposed to go out tonight but nixed those plans right away.
>
> The only thing I can figure is that she was afraid I was picking her up
> to give her medicine or go to the vet's and she didn't have the energy to
> run so just just frieked out and had a seizure.  My vet told me that cat's
> can do this - idiopathic seizures with no underlying pathology.  I'm worring
> myself sick but I am afraid a 45 minute trip to the vet would just friek her
> out more and the last thing she needs right now is stress.  The fact that
> she ate convinced me more to just chill out and stay with her.
>
> She has an appointment for more Acemannan tomorrow.  When I get her to
> go to the vet - it's fast and painless.  She's in that pet taxi before she
> knows what happened.  She's really in a delicate state right now though.
> My vet is less than 2 miles away so hopefully we can get there without a big
> ordeal.
>
> elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: Good Bye Mama Kitty

2007-03-28 Thread TenHouseCats


oh, my dear friend, i am so sorry.

surrounded by roses, and covered in flowers--tangible fragments of the
sparkling love she was surrounded by during her time on this part of her
journey.

GLOW to guide her way to the bridge, and to heal your heart.

mama kitty had become part of my family, too, and we celebrate the life she
shared with us.

MC

On 3/28/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mama Kitty,  You will forever rest in this yard that you loved so much.
You are surrounded by roses.  I covered your grave with tulips and apple
blossoms.

It hurts so much to say goodbye.  You will forever be alive in my heart.
I love you.

elizabeth





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Re: Good Bye Mama Kitty

2007-03-28 Thread TenHouseCats


love never dies, it just changes form.

most of us have heard those purrs from away, and those
was-it-my-imagination? meows. and seen our old friends race past, out of
the corner of our eye

since no one can prove to me these things DIDN'T, or CAN'T happen, i choose
to believe that they do and can.

MC

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Re: Good Bye Mama Kitty

2007-03-28 Thread TenHouseCats


what a GREAT photo, and what a beautiful girl she is.

(but then, anyone who brought twelve kittens into the world would have to
have quite the mouth on her, wouldn't she, to keep some order)



On 3/28/07, elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Nina,
Thank you for those kind words with all my heart.  Here is a picture of
Mama Kitty - happy on her porch.  She was a very vocal girl. If you said
something to her - she would say something right back.  She loved everyone.


http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MVC-082F.JPG

elizabeth

On 3/28/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh Elizabeth, words can not express my condolences for the loss of Mama
> Kitty.  My first reaction was anger, (I actually cursed at the screen),
> then reading about how ready she was to go, the flood gates opened and I
> cried right along side you.  Thank you for letting us know about her
> message to you, with those purrs I felt a wave of gratitude from her for
>
> the love you shared.  I feel blessed in knowing you and your allowing us
> to be a small part of your lives together.  I believe with all my heart
> the purrs you heard were Mama comforting you, letting you know that she
> will always be with you and that you did exactly the right thing, (not
> just at the end of her life, but all along your journey together).  It
> gives me comfort to think of her sunning herself on the porch; sleeping
> with you; of how you were in tune enough with her to make sure she spent
> her days the way she wanted to as best you could.  I think the way she
> chose to transition was a gift to you.  She had quality time up until
> the end, (even giving you warning as much as a year before to prepare
> you and alert you to live in the moment with her), and when she was
> ready, she expressed it in a way that could leave no doubt in your mind
> that it was the right decision to help her pass.  What a loving little
> soul she is.  I just want you to know that Mama kitty and your love for
> each other has touched my heart.  Your sweet Angel lives with me too
> now.
> Watch for her Elizabeth, she will be back,
> Nina
>
> elizabeth trent wrote:
> > Leslie, thank you.
> >
> > By the time we got to the vets office, she was having really
> > bad seizures every few minutes.   She really did not know where she
> > was.  She had lost over a pound this week and her gums were just
> > white.  The vet felt that she was not getting enough oxygen to her
> > brain.  She couldn't stand - she was just like a little rag doll.  Her
>
> > back was very sensitive - she was obviously in pain - I am not sure
> > why.  I talked to her.  She was ready to go.  She didn't want to be
> > kept alive by extreme measures only to waste away and be in pain.  It
> > was a very hard decision but I believe it was the right one for her.
> > She was very close to death and she was gone in no more than a second
> > or two - she was very calm.
> >
> > There is nothing I wouldn't have done for her - no matter how much it
> > cost...but no amount of money could have given her back her quality of
> > life.  I believe that to have kept going by extreme measures would
> > have been selfish of me.  She made it almost a year after her first
> > crash with an excellent quality of life.  This all happened so fast.
> >
> > I am so glad she slept with me last night.  She knew that she was
> > loved.  I am so grateful for the time we had together.
> >
> > This is so very hard.  We had such a close bond.
> >
> > Every day is a gift.
> > elizabeth
>
>
>




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Re: Hammy Please add to the CLS


GLOW continues all the time for the kids, and humans, who give so much at
crash's and sid's

MC

On 3/28/07, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,thank you for your good wishes and prayers for sweet little
Hammy.He is now with all the Angel fur kids.
Could you also put Lucinda in your prayers too? she is at Dr. Jens house
possibly with some brain problems due to the felv.My boyfriend loves this
beautiful orange tiger girl.Thank you all so much
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Re: In memory of Bagheera


oh, that photo needs to be a card... loved the other photos, too!

they come to us for a reason, and sometimes i think it may just be to remind
us that there's always love enough to go around

MC

On 3/29/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I was shifting thru pics the other day and found this one of Bagheera. I
brought this fella home from the airport where I worked. We had a lot of
temps working at that time and they were hitting at him, licking, etc... At
the same time I had just got married and we bought a new home. I scooped
Bagheera up and took him home. He lived with us for nearly 2 years. He
weighed 20+ pounds. He had been someone's pet because he had been neutered,
however they also discovered a bb lodged in his skull where someone had shot
him. He was the most lovable, gentle giant around. Unfortunately we believe
a coyote may have got him. He went out one morning and never returned.
Normally he never left the yard. We miss him dearly and he left his mark
upon our hearts.


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Re: Update on Chief


great news on both fronts!

(hm. have we mentioned lately how nice it is to have flight attendants
who use their passes to help transport special-needs kitties?)

MC

On 3/29/07, Stephanie E Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Well… My parents decided to keep Chief when it came right down to it. So,
he's got a good, safe home as an only kitty. :D



And, I am interviewing with the airlines to be a flight attendant!! I
AM SO EXCITED!!!



Steph





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Re: Re: Update on Chief

be careful what you wish for. we just flew a visually impaired kitten from
Cleveland to Dallas, TX that way!!!

On 3/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MC,

It's my understanding that if I get the job I can fly free anytime there
is avaliable room.

So, we can transport kitties on my days off. I'm single with one extreme
geriatric kitty and a horse who is soon to be boarded with a good friend. I
WANT to travel so bad... :) Look out world, here I come!!

Steph
>
> From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/03/29 Thu PM 08:10:48 EST
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Update on Chief
>
> great news on both fronts!
>
> (hm. have we mentioned lately how nice it is to have flight
attendants
> who use their passes to help transport special-needs kitties?)
>
> MC
>
> On 3/29/07, Stephanie E Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Well? My parents decided to keep Chief when it came right down to it.
So,
> > he's got a good, safe home as an only kitty. :D
> >
> >
> >
> > And, I am interviewing with the airlines to be a flight
attendant!! I
> > AM SO EXCITED!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Steph
> >
>
>
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Re: Re: Update on Chief


true enough... but some do!

On 3/30/07, gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Keep in mind that some airlines (Southwest for one) do not allow the
transport of live animals.

Gary
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Update on Chief


> MC,
>
> It's my understanding that if I get the job I can fly free anytime there
> is avaliable room.
>
> So, we can transport kitties on my days off. I'm single with one extreme
> geriatric kitty and a horse who is soon to be boarded with a good
friend.
> I WANT to travel so bad... :) Look out world, here I come!!
>
> Steph






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Re: Dry Food

2007-03-31 Thread TenHouseCats


thanks for the link to the video--i used to feed the california natural long
ago, then they stopped shipping it my corner of the midwest.

On 3/31/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm with ya Nina, it's very frustrating. Interesting info though about
Natura (the
makers of Innova and Cal Natural), the owner has a video out explaining
their
connection with Menu Foods, and even has decided to buy or build his own
canned food
plant due to this disaster. So.. when that get built, it will be all made
by Natura,
and not subcontracted out to Menu or any other mass producer.
http://www.naturapetcare.com is the video, the part about building their
own plant is
near the very end (my vet sent this out to me today). I emailed them and
told them
that I would switch back to their foods as soon as I could be assured that
what I
ordered came from their OWN new plant. Until then, I am feeding Merrick
canned. It's
pricey, but the cats love it. Their dry food is made in their own plant,
and if safe
(I'm feeding it to the ferals, and no one has been ill at all so far). My
housecats
are on Felidae dry for now... I bought a bag in the original panic before
I was sure
Natura's promises about their dry food were true. I may or may not switch
them
back... it might not be worth the hassle, Doobie pukes his guts up
everytime we do a
food change, and he's just getting used to the felidae.

And now, on top of the Menu Foods scandal, there's a FDA warning about
Eukanuba
having something not tested safe for cats in it, some kind of SWINE feed
additive in
their "light" and "low cal" dry foods (and their weight management /
diabetes
prescription food as well). So it's all about to be recalled too, if it's
not
already.

Phaewryn

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more added to the list--including cat & dog treats

2007-03-31 Thread TenHouseCats


http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/03/31/pet-food-recall-del-monte-pulls-products/#more-1353

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Re: CLS Please add Thurston and Carmellia

2007-04-01 Thread TenHouseCats


tad and marie, i'm so sorry that you've lost two more of the special ones.

i think that these dears, and all that have passed through your home, found
it to be the safest, kindest place they'd ever known. i don't believe that
the stress of coming to a place of love and comfort made anything
worse--they needed to be with you in order to complete their tasks here, and
so they did.

GLOW to guide their way home, and to heal your hearts. i expect that a
little spark of thurston, is, indeed, still following you around and helping
you with everything...

MC

On 4/1/07, Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Two more of our FeLV+ kitties have gone on to the Rainbow Bridge 
Carmellia March 13,2007
Thurston March 30,2007

I am having a hard time to write this... Little Thurston was only 3
months old
when he came to live with me and he only stayed for about 6 months
but during that time he had become my very special little buddy...
He was always with me to help with what ever I was doing... He came
here with his little sister who also passed on a few weeks earlier...
They were very close and I am sure that they now have found each other
at the Rainbow Bridge... I just can't believe he is gone and I keep
feeling
he will come pouncing up to see what I am typing... I had so hoped that
he would be one of those very few + babies that stay here for a few years
but that just wasn't meant to be

Carmellia was a middle aged kitty who had been isolated from other kitties
and she was a bit over whelmed with all my other kitties... She stayed in
the isolation cage most of the 6 months time that she was here... Her
own choice... the door was open... She was friendly though and loved
attention in her cage... Just the last month she was starting to sneak out
and come to me if the others were sleeping... I can't help but wonder
if it was the stress of coming into my home that brought on her passing
but she did let me know that she knew she was loved before she left...

We will miss Thurston and Carmellia as we do all the other that have
been with us for their too short life times...

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Re: thank you

2007-04-01 Thread TenHouseCats

n her porch.  I see her everywhere.  I know she is with
me.

Thanks for listening to me ramble...and most of all, thank you to all of
you.  i love you all so much.
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Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS

2007-04-04 Thread TenHouseCats


oh, no; i'm sorry. GLOW to guide lucinda's way to the bridge--where way too
many incredible FeLVs before wait to show her around.

MC

On 4/4/07, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that
she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with
her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year.
Sherry

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OT, sort of: Homemade Cat Food Chat April 6 10ET

2007-04-05 Thread TenHouseCats


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discuss how to decide, how to learn more, and how to switch your cat.

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more products included in recall as of today, 4/5; dates on previous products rolled back

2007-04-05 Thread TenHouseCats


dog biscuits, production runs back to november for some menu foods
brands.

http://howl911.com/#headlines

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Re: Third cat this week!

2007-04-06 Thread TenHouseCats


www.neuterspay.org

then look up your state it's the most up-to-date resource there is, but
that said, as soon as i completed a state, it was out of date because
programs are constantly changing, being added, losing funding.

and always ASK if they have multi-cat or rescue rates

MC


On 4/6/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey Melissa,

Good for you for saving Frosty...I love the name!
She's lucky to have found you and I bet your husband
will love her.  If you do an Internet search on pet
financial assistance or something like that, you
should come up with a lot of hits.  The links I have
for those are at work, and I won't be back until Tues.
If nobody posts any links, let me know Tues. and I'll
send what I have to you.  You're right to try to find
some financial assistance before your husband finds
out!  lol.  It's too bad you don't live closer to a
big city.  I know I was reading last week about a
shelter that does free spay/neuter in like Michigan or
somewhere like that.  I wish I could remember where I
had read that.

Good luck with little Frosty and Happy Easter!!!

:)
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Re: feline glaucoma- question for anyone with knowledge

2007-04-06 Thread TenHouseCats

g this baby and opening your heart to new furkids
who need a home!

You're right...this is one of the kindest, most compassionate, and most
knowledgeable groups of people on the web! I'm sure someone will be able to
help answer your question. Just respost it with feline glaucoma in the
subject line and I'm sure you'll get some info.

Good luck figuring out what to do and keep us updated!! Hang in there!

*hugs*

MJ and Angel Slinky =^..^=

*Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Hello. Does anyone there know any about feline glacoma? I am looking at
adopting one cat who had had one eye removed due to glacoma. She is very
young- 3. She is very sweet, but I am terrified that some people have told
me not to get a cat with this type of problem, that it could effect the
other eye and she could go blind, or have other medical problems. I am
afraid to take this kind of risk because I just lost my baby Satine, and the
heart ache hurts soo much. Does anyone out there know anything about this
illness? You all are some of the nicest people on the web, and the most
educated about cat biology- so I really need some imput. I can't stop
thinking about this kitty.

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Re: Please say a prayer for the cats


healing GLOW to guide them safely across the bridge. those poor, blessed
ones--they must have really been needed badly at the bridge to have been
taken in such a way.

MC

On 4/7/07, dede hicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



The Humane Society in Jacksonville, Fl burned down
last night.  The FD got almost all the dogs out, but
almost every cat was lost.  I am sick at heart.

Some friends went up hoping to find out about some
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and the FBI and Nat Guard are there.  Don't know what
is going on.  All those beautiful souls..  May God
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Re: OT, sort of: Homemade Cat Food Chat April 6 10ET


transcript should be available later today or tomorrow, and i'll post the
link as soon as it's up!

MC

On 4/7/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dang it MC, I missed this, I was going to tune in and forgot.  Is it
available still to read??

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feline glaucoma- question for anyone with knowledge


if you remember back when aol was starting out, their PetCareForum was set
up and staffed by the Veterinary Information Network (VIN)  then when
aol went to a flat-rate service, rather than pay-per-hour plan, they dumped
a number of their more popular forums, so VIN took back their staff and
chats and message boards onto their own servers. they really weren't set up
to be a "consumer" site, tho, so after a year or so they decided to go back
to concentrating on their professional side.

so we put up a, "free to a good home," ad: trained, knowledgable staff of
chat hosts and message-board monitors. and the pethobbyist.com family of
sites took us in!

some of the hosts have been together for close to 15 years now; i'm a newbie
at only 7. christie keith, who did the cat-food chat last night, is one of
the folks who has been there all along, through AOL and VIN and now
pethobbyist.com. many of our chatters have also been regulars for 10 or more
years, so it truly is a family--very safe place, with LOTS of good people
and great information.

the main difference is the element of real-time--we have chats monday
through saturday that are either open for just fun, or on a topic, as well
as pet-loss-support chats EVERY NIGHT of the year, including holidays.
unlike a list, during scheduled chat times, you KNOW you'll find SOMEONE to
talk with! as hosts, we are trained to deal with problem people (usually
teenagers), and we have tools to mute people who are disruptive, as well as
those to kick them out and even ban them from the site if necessary.

MC
aka PHCatByte
On 4/7/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 PS It is good to learn the site is legitimate.  There are so many nuts in
the world that I trust nothing without checking it when it comes to my
little friends.  Thanks.






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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
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