Re: [Finale] working in linked score/parts
What is the matter with my memory. I have already forgotten what I learned a couple of weeks ago: Don't generate parts in the template. I think that was the problem. All I had to do was regenerate the parts after all the work in the score was done. I had done things in the wrong order thinking it would save time, when it only takes a moment to generate the parts after all the score entries are in. Trying to be too smart for my own boots. Sorry. Chuck On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I've done a couple of fairly large big band scores now in 2007, and I am finding the linked parts to be a mixed blessing in their present state. Many, even most, things seem to be working as advertised, but there are still some bugs. Working from Finale's jazz band template (considerably modified), I still have to create the MM rests. Seems to me that should be automatic, and it is automatic up to some measures into the score, then not. Makes no sense to me. Also, the problem of missing staff styles has cropped up again. They are clearly visible in the score view, but some don't "stick" to the parts. I can't figure out which ones stick and which ones don't. There doesn't seem to be a pattern. Of course, you can re- enter them in the parts, but that's a pain. On the other hand, 2 and a half hours to format 16 part (most of them 3 pages) is not so bad. I could have done it more quickly with extracted parts (for this kind of piece) - maybe saved an hour, but there were things I noticed in the parts that escaped my attention in the score, and correcting them corrected the score as well. So those things went more quickly. When the bugs are eliminated, I think I'm going to appreciate the new system. I still haven't figured out how to handle the title problem I mentioned in an earlier post. That's my report. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Titles in linked score/parts
Chuck Israels wrote: Can anyone help with this? I have figured out a great deal of the operation of the linked parts but haven't deciphered this one: I have added title pages (2) to the score only - that works fine, but now I'd like the main title text block to show up only on the title page of the score, but remain where it is in the parts (on p.1 of the part, which now looks like p.3 of the score). If I move it, even if I unlink it, it disappears in the parts. How does one manage this? If I duplicate the title for the title page and leave the original one it where it is on (what is now) p.3 of the score, the p.3 title is too big for the score (but correct for the parts, which is why I made it that size in the first place). Sorry, if I'm being a little too detailed in the description of this, but I want to make my thinking, and my problem, clear. (Maybe my thinking, or lack thereof is my problem!) Enter the Title block in two places -- the one where you want it to show in the Score, and the other where you want it to show in the Parts, complete with the different font sizes/styles, etc. Then you set the one you want only in the Score so that it won't print in the parts (you need to to this I think for each part) and then set the other one so that it won't print in the Score. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Titles in linked score/parts
On Sep 8, 2006, at 2:09 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Can anyone help with this? I have figured out a great deal of the operation of the linked parts but haven't deciphered this one: I have added title pages (2) to the score only - that works fine, but now I'd like the main title text block to show up only on the title page of the score, but remain where it is in the parts (on p. 1 of the part, which now looks like p.3 of the score). If I move it, even if I unlink it, it disappears in the parts. How does one manage this? If I duplicate the title for the title page and leave the original one it where it is on (what is now) p.3 of the score, the p.3 title is too big for the score (but correct for the parts, which is why I made it that size in the first place). Sorry, if I'm being a little too detailed in the description of this, but I want to make my thinking, and my problem, clear. (Maybe my thinking, or lack thereof is my problem!) Hi David, I have done most of this successfully. Enter the Title block in two places -- the one where you want it to show in the Score, and the other where you want it to show in the Parts, complete with the different font sizes/styles, etc. This part is done. Then you set the one you want only in the Score so that it won't print in the parts (you need to to this I think for each part) This part is easy - since the extra pages inserted before what was p. 1 in the score don't show up in the parts, and that's where the score title is. and then set the other one so that it won't print in the Score. Well, this is the tricky part. When you delete the title in the score (I mean the one that is now on p. 3 and is linked to the parts, the one that appears on p. 1 of the parts - where it needs to be), it disappears from the parts. Of course, it can be copied to the clipboard and replaced in each part individually, but I can't figure out how to do it once and have it appear in all parts without also appearing in the score where I don't want it. If you can see anything I'm overlooking, please let me know. It is all too easy to overlook things when working in unfamiliar systems, and it does seem to me that this is something that MM people have probably thought of and included in the linked parts. I think I just haven't figured it out, and now it's almost 3 AM, and I have no idea why I am still up. Thanks, Chuck -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Titles in linked score/parts
Chuck Israels wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 2:09 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Can anyone help with this? I have figured out a great deal of the operation of the linked parts but haven't deciphered this one: I have added title pages (2) to the score only - that works fine, but now I'd like the main title text block to show up only on the title page of the score, but remain where it is in the parts (on p.1 of the part, which now looks like p.3 of the score). If I move it, even if I unlink it, it disappears in the parts. How does one manage this? If I duplicate the title for the title page and leave the original one it where it is on (what is now) p.3 of the score, the p.3 title is too big for the score (but correct for the parts, which is why I made it that size in the first place). Sorry, if I'm being a little too detailed in the description of this, but I want to make my thinking, and my problem, clear. (Maybe my thinking, or lack thereof is my problem!) Hi David, I have done most of this successfully. Enter the Title block in two places -- the one where you want it to show in the Score, and the other where you want it to show in the Parts, complete with the different font sizes/styles, etc. This part is done. Then you set the one you want only in the Score so that it won't print in the parts (you need to to this I think for each part) This part is easy - since the extra pages inserted before what was p. 1 in the score don't show up in the parts, and that's where the score title is. and then set the other one so that it won't print in the Score. Well, this is the tricky part. When you delete the title in the score (I mean the one that is now on p. 3 and is linked to the parts, the one that appears on p. 1 of the parts - where it needs to be), it disappears from the parts. Of course, it can be copied to the clipboard and replaced in each part individually, but I can't figure out how to do it once and have it appear in all parts without also appearing in the score where I don't want it. If you can see anything I'm overlooking, please let me know. It is all too easy to overlook things when working in unfamiliar systems, and it does seem to me that this is something that MM people have probably thought of and included in the linked parts. I think I just haven't figured it out, and now it's almost 3 AM, and I have no idea why I am still up. Don't delete the second title block in the score -- Uncheck the SHOW attribute in the right-click menu for that block in the score. It'll become lighter to indicate it's there but won't show/print. So the two title blocks -- one on p.1 in the score and the one on p. 3 of the score/p.1 of the parts -- will both remain in both parts and score. But with the attribute set not to show, the block won't print for that score or part where you set that attribute, and that attribute will unlock that text block from the score or parts. But you can't delete it -- this is one area where Finale definitely needs improvement. It should be possible to enter a text block in either score or a single part or only certain parts and not have to monkey around like this with all text blocks being present in all score/parts and needing to jump through hoops to get it to print or not as desired. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] E-mail files in JPEG or TIFF format
At 9/7/2006 05:53 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >> But you can zip TIF, and the end file size is less than 1/3 (I think >> it's close to 1/4). > >But it's still larger than the compressed PNG, and barely smaller >than the uncompressed PNG: > > originalzipped >TIF 231KB 50KB >PNG 53KB 49KB >GIF 107KB 107KB > >The GIF, of course, does not compress at all, as it's internally >compressed already. > >And, of course, if you're dealing with a compressed ZIP, then it's >different, still. Here are the results: > > originalzipped >Uncompressed TIF231KB 50KB >LZW TIF 122KB 104KB >Huffman encoding 89KB 53KB >FAX-CCITT 3 90KB 56KB >Packbits229KB 43KB Good work !! Is there a reason that you didn't try FAX-CCITT 4? That is (supposedly) the best TIF compression for a bitonal image. (If you don't have that capability, send me the image off-list and I'll try it out.) Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] working in linked score/parts
Chuck, I must confess that I sent it back. Between the bugs and the very mixed blessing of mixed parts, I determined that 2007 and I were not a good match. There were also some other things...so back to 2006 it is, at least here in the great midwest... As to things I see in the parts that need fixing in the score as well, I just keep a list of them when I look at parts/print parts, and then fix the score afterwards. It's usually relatively minor things like a misplaced or missing dynamic or hairpin, a wrong note that sounded ok on playback & I missed, etc... If I made a really egregious error or decide to make wholesale changes, I'll print a set of "old parts" in draft mode and use them as a reference for layout if possible. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Fri 08-Sep-06 1:32 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] working in linked score/parts I've done a couple of fairly large big band scores now in 2007, and I am finding the linked parts to be a mixed blessing in their present state. Many, even most, things seem to be working as advertised, but there are still some bugs. Working from Finale's jazz band template (considerably modified), I still have to create the MM rests. Seems to me that should be automatic, and it is automatic up to some measures into the score, then not. Makes no sense to me. Also, the problem of missing staff styles has cropped up again. They are clearly visible in the score view, but some don't "stick" to the parts. I can't figure out which ones stick and which ones don't. There doesn't seem to be a pattern. Of course, you can re-enter them in the parts, but that's a pain. On the other hand, 2 and a half hours to format 16 part (most of them 3 pages) is not so bad. I could have done it more quickly with extracted parts (for this kind of piece) - maybe saved an hour, but there were things I noticed in the parts that escaped my attention in the score, and correcting them corrected the score as well. So those things went more quickly. When the bugs are eliminated, I think I'm going to appreciate the new system. I still haven't figured out how to handle the title problem I mentioned in an earlier post. That's my report. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck, I must confess that I sent it back. Between the bugs and the very mixed blessing of mixed parts, I determined that 2007 and I were not a good match. There were also some other things...so back to 2006 it is, at least here in the great midwest... As to things I see in the parts that need fixing in the score as well, I just keep a list of them when I look at parts/print parts, and then fix the score afterwards. It's usually relatively minor things like a misplaced or missing dynamic or hairpin, a wrong note that sounded ok on playback & I missed, etc... If I made a really egregious error or decide to make wholesale changes, I'll print a set of "old parts" in draft mode and use them as a reference for layout if possible. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Fri 08-Sep-06 1:32 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] working in linked score/parts I've done a couple of fairly large big band scores now in 2007, and I am finding the linked parts to be a mixed blessing in their present state. Many, even most, things seem to be working as advertised, but there are still some bugs. Working from Finale's jazz band template (considerably modified), I still have to create the MM rests. Seems to me that should be automatic, and it is automatic up to some measures into the score, then not. Makes no sense to me. Also, the problem of missing staff styles has cropped up again. They are clearly visible in the score view, but some don't "stick" to the parts. I can't figure out which ones stick and which ones don't. There doesn't seem to be a pattern. Of course, you can re-enter them in the parts, but that's a pain. On the other hand, 2 and a half hours to format 16 part (most of them 3 pages) is not so bad. I could have done it more quickly with extracted parts (for this kind of piece) - maybe saved an hour, but there were things I noticed in the parts that escaped my attention in the score, and correcting them corrected the score as well. So those things went more quickly. When the bugs are eliminated, I think I'm going to appreciate the new system. I still haven't figured out how to handle the title problem I mentioned in an earlier post. That's my report. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com
[Finale] Special Part Extraction-bug?
Hi everyone! One thing in Finale 2007 is giving a great deal of cold feet at the moment: I'm trying to adjust to work with linked parts. However; I want to be able to have my old "express"-method; "Special Part Extraction" at hand when needed (especially for Big Band scores where I can save tons of layout-time with this method). BUT: when I select a stave and select "Special Part Extraction" NOTHING HAPPENS. The full score is STILL in page view. Only maybe 2 out of 10 staves behave normally and appear correctly in Page View after selecting SPE. It's absolutely random. What is this? Bug? I can't afford having a bug in this function of the program! Help! Thank you! /Kalle Stockholm, Sweden __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Titles in linked score/parts
On 08.09.2006 Chuck Israels wrote: Well, this is the tricky part. When you delete the title in the score (I mean the one that is now on p. 3 and is linked to the parts, the one that appears on p. 1 of the parts - where it needs to be), it disappears from the parts. Of course, it can be copied to the clipboard and replaced in each part individually, but I can't figure out how to do it once and have it appear in all parts without also appearing in the score where I don't want it. If you can see anything I'm overlooking, please let me know. It is all too easy to overlook things when working in unfamiliar systems, and it does seem to me that this is something that MM people have probably thought of and included in the linked parts. I think I just haven't figured it out, and now it's almost 3 AM, and I have no idea why I am still up. To be honest, I think this is something the people at MM overlooked, not you. As far as I can see you are out of luck. Imo your best bet will be to create a separate parts score, with the linked parts in it. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Titles in linked score/parts
On Sep 8, 2006, at 3:16 AM, dhbailey wrote: Don't delete the second title block in the score -- Uncheck the SHOW attribute in the right-click menu for that block in the score. It'll become lighter to indicate it's there but won't show/ print. Oh! Thank you. I didn't notice that trigger. Now I think it couldn't be more obvious and I feel pretty foolish. That makes everything work as I need it. Thanks, Chuck So the two title blocks -- one on p.1 in the score and the one on p. 3 of the score/p.1 of the parts -- will both remain in both parts and score. But with the attribute set not to show, the block won't print for that score or part where you set that attribute, and that attribute will unlock that text block from the score or parts. But you can't delete it -- this is one area where Finale definitely needs improvement. It should be possible to enter a text block in either score or a single part or only certain parts and not have to monkey around like this with all text blocks being present in all score/parts and needing to jump through hoops to get it to print or not as desired. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Titles in linked score/parts
Dear Johannes, I am quick to blame my own ignorance, but after a while, I begin to think I've looked everywhere and then blame MM only to find that my vision was not so good, and the needed trigger was there all the time. I just didn't see it. So that's what happened here, and I am again embarrassed at having cried "wolf." There's a new "Show/don't show" trigger in the frame attributes (control click gets this to come up) that completely solves the problem (Thanks, David Bailey), my eyes just kept overlooking it. My bad, not MM's. Thanks for thinking of me generously though! Chuck On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:28 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 08.09.2006 Chuck Israels wrote: Well, this is the tricky part. When you delete the title in the score (I mean the one that is now on p. 3 and is linked to the parts, the one that appears on p. 1 of the parts - where it needs to be), it disappears from the parts. Of course, it can be copied to the clipboard and replaced in each part individually, but I can't figure out how to do it once and have it appear in all parts without also appearing in the score where I don't want it. If you can see anything I'm overlooking, please let me know. It is all too easy to overlook things when working in unfamiliar systems, and it does seem to me that this is something that MM people have probably thought of and included in the linked parts. I think I just haven't figured it out, and now it's almost 3 AM, and I have no idea why I am still up. To be honest, I think this is something the people at MM overlooked, not you. As far as I can see you are out of luck. Imo your best bet will be to create a separate parts score, with the linked parts in it. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] E-mail files in JPEG or TIFF format
On 8 Sep 2006 at 6:44, Phil Daley wrote: > Is there a reason that you didn't try FAX-CCITT 4? It's not one of the options offered by PaintShop Pro. > That is (supposedly) the best TIF compression for a bitonal image. > > (If you don't have that capability, send me the image off-list and > I'll try it out.) You can download all the images at: http://dfenton.com/images I also tested file size on the TIF as a full-color image and how it converts. Turned out that PNG would convert the huge color TIF to a file size almost as small as the 2-color TIF. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] E-mail files in JPEG or TIFF format
At 9/8/2006 06:44 AM, Phil Daley wrote: > > originalzipped > >Uncompressed TIF231KB 50KB > >LZW TIF 122KB 104KB > >Huffman encoding 89KB 53KB > >FAX-CCITT 3 90KB 56KB > >Packbits229KB 43KB > >Good work !! > >Is there a reason that you didn't try FAX-CCITT 4? Your test.tif: FAX-CCITT 4 226KB 47KB Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] E-mail files in JPEG or TIFF format
On 8 Sep 2006 at 14:18, Phil Daley wrote: > At 9/8/2006 06:44 AM, Phil Daley wrote: > > > > originalzipped > > >Uncompressed TIF231KB 50KB > > >LZW TIF 122KB 104KB > > >Huffman encoding 89KB 53KB > > >FAX-CCITT 3 90KB 56KB > > >Packbits229KB 43KB > > > >Good work !! > > > >Is there a reason that you didn't try FAX-CCITT 4? > > Your test.tif: > FAX-CCITT 4 226KB 47KB Sorry, but I don't understand. Is 47KBs the zipped up size, or the size after applying FAX-CCITT 4 compression? If the latter, what's the size when you zip it up (the size inside the zip file, not of the whole zip file? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
