Re: [Finale] so helpful!
I hadn't noticed it was back online. Thanks, Raymond! - For those who may be interested, I compiled a free stand-alone hyphenator HTML page you can run on your local machine to provide Latin Mass text hyphenation. (You have to allow javascript). You can manually add your own hyph definitions for words it doesn't recognize by directly modifying the html starting at line 7591 in a text processor like Notepad. Just remember to save the file as html when you're done, of course. Write me (not the Finale listserve) to have it emailed to you. AFAIK, no packaged Latin hyphenator like this is offered anywhere anymore, although the js hook itself is still online. For historical purposes, see this: https://www.mail-archive.com/finale@mail.shsu.edu/msg07944.html -Cecil rigby.hcjr at att.net -- Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 18:23:27 -0400 From: Raymond Horton To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] so helpful! It's been shared before, but it is so helpful!!! : https://juiciobrennan.com/hyphenator/ Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] orch score part naming
Hi, David et al- another workaround for this... but if you work with consistent sizes between large and small font sizes for multiple scores, this saves time. After you've left the current score and moved on to other ones needing the same treatment you're set up to do so easily. 1. Put in the expressions once for the full score. Complete all formatting, or not. 2. Save an expressions library, say "fullsize". 3. Returning to the score, edit the expressions which require smaller sizes, but DON'T save the score/expression changes to the score. 4. Re-save the expressions library again, this time renaming it, say "smallsize." You now have two libraries you can exchange right before doing your final page formatting/spacing, etc. In David's case he could load in the first library and complete the full score, and then load in the second library and format the parts. He could then SAVE the second set of score changes as a stand-alone parts file so that he doesn't lose his full score formatting or have to switch libraries back in case there are other changes pending in the full score. This has worked for me in a few cases where I was required to complete parts first while decisions about the full score were pending. Hope this helps someone -Cecil Rigby Liberty (Clemson), SC - From: David Froom Last question about this: do you (or does anyone) know if it is possible yet to have tempo marks in different sizes in score and parts? In large ensemble scores, small size tempi look silly in the score, while large size tempi look silly in the parts. Thanks, David * ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Darken staff lines
John, you can edit staff line thickness (Documents --> Program Options) to get better visibility. Staff line default (I think) is 0.00781 and ledger lines are twice as thick, so you could choose a size in between, say .0117. Depending on the music (notes) font you use you might want to set all note sizes a *little* smaller to accommodate... -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson Know your jurist rights! http://www.jurybox.org/informed/ -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Witmer Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Darken staff lines As a 85 year old, I'm having trouble sightreading notes on ledger lines. Is there any way to darken the 5 lines of the regular staves so that the ledger lines are a little more distinguishable? Thank you for any help. John Witmer Clemson Downs Retirement Center Clemson, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying
John, did you "redraw screen" (ctrl+D) after adjusting widths, etc? Sometimes this is all it takes I can't answer Glen's question because I have so far not upgraded since the 2009 version. (I'm happy to keep my kludges and not have to relearn all the menus or deal with new bugs year after year.) -Cecil Rigby Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson Know your jurist rights! http://www.jurybox.org/informed/ -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Witmer Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:04 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying I have a slightly different tuplet problem. When I adjust measure widths to make crowed notes more visible, the tuplet brackets (or slurs) don't move with the notes. The same thing happens when I move notes within a measure using the beat chart in the Measure tool. Usually when sight reading, it is easy to identify the tuplet group, but sometimes the misplaced bracket or slur leads to grouping the wrong notes under the tuplet. I use Finale 2012c with WIN. Any ideas? John - Original Message - From: Glen Daum To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 6:28 AM Subject: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying Hello Finale Users, I’m experiencing strange behavior with tuplets. When I have tuplets, triplets with rests and notes, displaying brackets and the number 3, in two different layers, only the active layer displays. If layer 2 is active, that tuplet bracket and number displays, but layer 1 does not. The reverse happens when I switch to layer 1. Has anyone experienced similar behavior? Does anyone have any ideas how to get the brackets and numbers to appear in both layers simultaneously? I’m on Mac (Yosemite (OSX 10.10.1), Finale 2014d Thanks, Glen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] "Searching For America" is finished!!!
Congratulations! I'm reminded by your story of a quote from RW Emerson... “I know of no such unquestionable badge and ensign of a sovereign mind as that of tenacity of purpose...” You've certainly been as tenacious as the flag at Ft. McHenry; now here's your own "dawn's early light"! -Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC -Original Message- From: Raymond Horton Subject: [Finale] "Searching For America" is finished!!! July 1, 2013, I was awarded an Individual Artist Grant from the Indiana Arts Commission to write "Searching For America," a work for actors, singers, choir and chamber o rchestra telling the story of the writing of America's favorite song "America the Beautiful". One year ago yesterday I had a stroke, from which I recovered quickly and well, but in February I suffered a fall down the stairs which severely injured my spine, making seated work at the computer very painful. I reached out for help, and got it from many people around the world! [snip] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Emergency help
John, if you don't get a fix from someone on the list that works for you just tell my wife and I'll come by to have a look. It sounds like your preferences may have become corrupted, possibly. -Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Witmer Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:45 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help Sorry, this is a Windows XP - Original Message - From: Justin Phillips To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help Are you on a Mac or Windows computer? --- Justin Phillips justinwphill...@gmail.com (952) 923-9878 > On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, John Witmer wrote: > > Suddenly, Finale '12 will not recognize my MIDI device, a Roland SK50 that I have used for many years with > various versions of Finale. I get the message that I have installed an input device that is out of the range of my > music although I have done nothing different other than turning Finale off and on. The computer hasn't even > been turned off since I used Finale last. (yesterday) I did notice that Finale had lost my specialized templates. > Can anyone suggest a fix. I need to transcribe some music ASAP. > > John Witmer > Clemson Downs Retirement Center > Clemson, SC > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 4007/8019 - Release Date: 08/11/14 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Music search!
That piece is listed in the library collection of Meridian Community Band, Okemos, MI. http://www.meridiancommunityband.org/Meridian_Community_Band//Collection1_fi les/widget0_markup.html Their website: http://www.meridiancommunityband.org/Meridian_Community_Band/Welcome.html Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Meridian-Community-Band/30465894100 Their Director: Carolyn Sherrill Hope this helps! -Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC -Original Message- From: dershem [snip] The piece is called "Meet Mr. ___" (as in, fill in the blank to feature the Cornet soloist), and was written by Charles Richard Spinney. Does anyone have any good leads on where we might be able to find this piece? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] programme for notation of circuit diagrammes?
A quick online search revealed: http://dia-installer.de/ (for block diagrams) and http://www.circuitstoday.com/electronics-circuit-drawing-softwares (this page has several free programs listed Hope this helps- Cecil Rigby -Original Message- From: SN jef chippewa Subject: [Finale] programme for notation of circuit diagrammes? anyone have some suggestions for a simple graphics programme that is good for cabling diagrammes for electronic instruments or amplified / processed acoustic instruments and stage set-up etc.? i could hack something in iWork / pages but if there is a better programme for it, great. ideally free or cheap, i would hardly ever use it. cheers, jef ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Custom Key Signature
For the one score I've engraved that came close to needing what's being asked for I ended up creating a graphic of an entire key sig that was inserted where needed. This would require, in this case, making sure the amount of space following key sigs is set to accommodate the graphic. This also assumes you'll set the key sig using the normal means to 4 flats (for playback purposes) and also setting it to NEVER displayed. Wish I had time to decipher the manual! -Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of David H. Bailey On 9/23/2013 9:11 AM, Douglas Brown wrote: > You're right, David. This was a trick question. I was trying to keep > the question simple by leaving out some details, but I should have > known that this list would try to figure it out. It's actually > centered around C, combining Dorian and Phrygian modes: minor key with > raised 6 and lowered 2 > > Thanks for the clarification -- good luck figuring out how to make the key signature work. -- David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Add ossia staff to finished score
You might try using the staff style to hide the staves in that event, Paul. -Cecil Rigby, Clemson, SC -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Hayden Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:03 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Add ossia staff to finished score Thanks for the suggestion, David. Unfortunately, I have some empty staves showing on some, but not all, pages. So I would have to go back to each page and select which staves to hide after adding the new staff. Paul Hayden On May 20, 2013, at 4:55 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: > I don't know of any way to add a staff to a single system without it affecting all other system. > > Add the extra staff, then put the music in where you need it. > > Then use "Hide Empty Staves" and your layout should be back to where it was before you added the staff, other than the final page which will the new staff with the music on it. > > I will add that it's been a long time (at least several Finale versions) so while this used to work well for me, it might not work the same any more. > > > -- > David H. Bailey > dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com Magnolia Music Press Voice & Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3336 / Virus Database: 3162/6341 - Release Date: 05/20/13 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
And is the use of the staff tool for this purpose allowed in page view so you can actually see what's being done? Does this mean you can no longer right-click a system in page view and select "Optimize systems..."? I was thinking of upgrading to 2012 but I want to make SURE staff optimization can be done while in page view. Thanks- Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J D Thomas Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:18 PM To: Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones... Staff tool > Hide Staves Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool J D Thomas ThomaStudios Sent from my iSomething-or-other On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: > I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from > time to rare time. And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a > million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so. Used to be in page > layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their way > through my computer, it ain’t there. And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t THERE, > either. > > So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, Win8 > – and as noted, Fin12. > > Thanks! > > Les Marsden > (209) 966-6988 (H) > (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) > 7145 Snyder Creek Road > Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 > > Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission President, Mariposa > County Arts Council, Incorporated Board Director, Economic Development > Corporation of Mariposa County Founding Music Director and Conductor, > The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ > > Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): > http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: > http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6177 - Release Date: 03/15/13 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Copy instrumentsetup between files
Christer, You can take any score and save it as a template file (.ftm). Especially helpful is the fact that you can also save particular settings files individually- how notes are spaced- how ties are applied - what articulations you want-- etc. and then load them into whatever template you choose. -Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cluster Notation
Try this archived page http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=192899 -Cecil Clemson SC -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Giovanni Andreani Whats the best solution to represent a cluster of all nine notes trough E1 and C2 to be played on a piano? Thanks Giovanni ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Won't play tie marks avross bar lines.
Make sure the tie applies to notes in the same layer. Am I the only one who made that mistake more than once?! -Cecil Rigby Clemson, SC -Original Message- Subject: [Finale] Won't play tie marks avross bar lines. I am using the Simple ENTRY tool, and T for forward tie, or Shift T for backward tie. Maybe whatever tool you use does not create the problem ? bill sinclair ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: New Choral Composition Competition
I've met some fine composers thru this list over the years and I wanted to pass this on to all. hope you'll forgive my OT... CLEMSON, SC, USA -- Foothills Chorale announces an international competition which offers a $1000 (one thousand US dollars) cash award for an unpublished, never-before-performed-in-a-ticketed-venue choral composition. The Chorale offers this competition as part of its upcoming 20th Anniversary season's celebrations (July 1, 2011 through June 30, 2012). This is an anonymous (aka "blind") competition which is open to all composers (except where prohibited by law), with no restriction on age, gender, nationality, professional status, organizational membership, race, religion, or any other category. The complete set of rules and the entry form are available online at: http://foothillschorale.org Follow the prominent link to the competition home page. Please forward this email to your composer friends and colleagues worldwide. We are prepared for and eagerly anticipate a large number of entries. Good Luck! Please don't disqualify yourself by contacting me personally regarding this competition. All you need to know is online. Cordially yours, Cecil Rigby, President Foothills Chorale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] change of crook indication
For a score indication of "change of crook," the online version of "A Handbook of Music and Musicians) [http://books.google.com/books?id=1E6KoKcdaUYC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=%22change+of+crook%22+horn&source=bl&ots=w6G_k3C8g8&sig=MoU9qw326PRmUqexY7I0DNRnE1s&hl=en&ei=qm0HTYi5DsWblgfoksieDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22change%20of%20crook%22%20horn&f=false] says: "Muta, change. A direction to brass instrument players that a change of crook is to be made [snip] -- e.g. Muta in B, F etc." Be careful to leave enough time if this is actually to be done on an instrument using crooks to change fundamentals! --- Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mid-measure clefs
Well THAT has certainly become an absolutely obtuse procedure to use for applying a mid-measure clef change. I'm glad I do most of my work in v2003 and 06 -many thanks for the many helps- I'm also glad to know the manual is wrong. -Cecil ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] mid-measure clefs
Hi Steve & Dennis- > If you select the passage in question and then double click on it, you'll > get the clef with the handle. The only thing that happens, when the clef metatool IS selected and I double-click the meaure, is that the clef selection dialog box opens. There are NO handles appearing anywhere at any time. I've been working with Finale since it first came out and never had a problem til v2009. -Cecil ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] mid-measure clefs
Hi all- I consider myself VERY competent in Finale, and I usually can figure these things out on my own, but not this time using 2009 Windoze version. I have a bassoon line that I changed to treble clef a few measures back (at the start of a measure) and now I want to change it back, putting the bass clef mid-measure. I finally resorted to following the directions in the manual after trying to do this the way I used to in v2003, but no handle appears on the clef the way the instructions say will happen. I can't drag it where I need it! (I also tried fiddling with setting the clef after the barline to see if that would help, but it doesn't.) Is there a setting somewhere I haven't found? Any help will be much appreciated--- Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Large format printers?
no, I'm on PC- with that OS the only version of the HP software that will produce booklets correctly is 5e. choose, under finishing in the Properties dx, Print on both sides and then in the dropdown for booklet printing, 11x17, left binding. The software, however, IS quirky (with Finale at least on this machine), in that I have to print a single page and then cancel printing, then run the print job again to get the desired results. It's been this way ever since I've had this printer. I DID forget to mention this problem earlier -Cecil - Original Message - From: "Christopher Smith" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Large format printers? On Thu Oct 21, at ThursdayOct 21 7:07 PM, jjtk...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Cecil Rigby wrote: I, too, use the HP 5100 w/ duplexer, but I haven't had any of the problems Christopher's had. -Cecil Cecil, are you on Mac? Can you tell me what settings you use to create a booklet of four 8.5x11 pages on one sheet of 11x17 with the duplexer? I can't do this for love nor money without re-feeding the sheets. Respond privately if you think it will clutter up traffic (ha!) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Large format printers?
it uses HP's "JetDirect" software for the ethernet connection, and the plug is standard -Cecil - Original Message - From: "Ryan" To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Large format printers? It is a standard ethernet cable. I have this printer and that's how I connect to it. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:07 PM, jjtk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info! I've been looking at used ones, and I'm wondering about the connectivity. It says that they connect with ethernet. Anybody know if this is just a standard ethernet cable. I'm using FinMac2011 with a 3 year old MacBookPro, which has an ethernet port. John On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Cecil Rigby wrote: > I, too, use the HP 5100 w/ duplexer, but I haven't had any of the problems > Christopher's had. > -Cecil > >>> I'm wondering what is a good large format laser printer that can >>> handle paper up to 11" X 17"? What are you using? Thanks! >>> John > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Large format printers?
I, too, use the HP 5100 w/ duplexer, but I haven't had any of the problems Christopher's had. -Cecil I'm wondering what is a good large format laser printer that can handle paper up to 11" X 17"? What are you using? Thanks! John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Copyright and downloadable music
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, just understand WHY, exactly, is it offensive in any degree that anyone can (having enough money and a willing seller) become a holder of copyrights? The individual artist's rights are NOT abridged just because someone may buy their publisher's library. The new owner is still bound by the original contractual agreements. That the artists weren't astute enough when the contracts were signed, or that the industry may've taken advantage of them, are different issues altogether. Or did I miss something? -Cecil Rigby - Original Message - From: "Nigel Hanley" [snip] That Paul McCartney could own Buddy Holly's music, and more offensively, Michael Jackson could buy the Beatles' library shows the dichotomy between the artist's rights and the so-called copyright holder's rights. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: paper
My preference is Weyerhauser's "Cougar," 70# opaque smooth natural, which erases very well. It also comes in natural white, but it's hard on the eyes. I also have the 80# cover to match. The last time I bought some I had to get it cut down from large sheets to 11x17, BUT, it was cheaper to buy it in the large sheet and have it cut than it was to order precut to11x17. I bought so much the last time that I haven't had to buy more in quite a while, so I can't say if it's still available. but you can try the links in a post from back in 2004.. http://www.mail-archive.com/fin...@mail.shsu.edu/msg12789.html -Cecil Aaron wrote: Personally, I don't like laid paper for much of anything. For music, I use Springhill Opaque Offset Colors, 70lb., in cream. It seems to be very easily available. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music
I prefer the 2nd example because the flagged 16ths in the 1st complicate the rhythm reading (for me) ASIDE: The periods on the abbreviations aren't necessary IMO -Cecil - Original Message - From: "dc" Which of these two notations do you prefer? www.collins.lautre.net/files/hands.jpg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Explanation of a manuscript
to correct an octave error- that would be the sort of reason I was looking for! -Cecil - Original Message - From: "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" To: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. Explanation of a manuscript On Sun, May 9, 2010 9:57 pm, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: http://i39.tinypic.com/2rcn2ip.jpg I'm not exactly sure what the expression under the first violin means "ottava bassa" or ottava basso." Or how this would impact performance. If it were mine, it would be a way to correct an octave error without re-inking the page. The parts were in parallel, and the lower two drop. It would make sense for the top part to drop as well to keep the voicing balanced. But that's just a composer's guess, not historically informed. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Explanation of a manuscript
the 1st and second vlns in the preceeding measure are in quasi-unison. The ottave bassa would, I think, just be an indication to continue that. If that's the case there's probably a good reason it was written that way rather than at actual pitch- perhaps it made for easier reading in 17th C. (or maybe for a particular violinist)? just guessing, really -Cecil - Original Message - From: "Kim Patrick Clow" To: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: [Finale] O.T. Explanation of a manuscript Hi all: I have a question about a manuscript source: http://i39.tinypic.com/2rcn2ip.jpg This is from a sinfonia by Christoph Graupner and you see staves are Trumpet 1, 2, Timpani, Violin 1, Violin 2, Viola, Continuo I'm not exactly sure what the expression under the first violin means "ottava bassa" or ottava basso." Or how this would impact performance. This is the first time I've encountered this phrase in Graupner's music. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Poll (X-posted)
occasionally- but only if a sound file is requested as part of the client's project. -Cecil Rigby Do you use executable smart shapes a) never b) rarely c) occasionally d) frequently ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
I stipulate doing so as part of many contracts, putting info in small type on the bottom of the first page of the full score AND parts, if any business name and email address - I will also add a date if the piece is having its premiere. A symphony's librarian contacted me after seeing the info on a score I did for them a few years back and hired me to replace lost parts (different piece) for an upcoming performance. Many instrumentalists have given me business as a result of seeing the info on parts- those usually turn out to be new compositions, which I especially love doing when I'm also asked to put on my editing hat. -Cecil Rigby rig...@att.net - Original Message - From: "dhbailey" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist Rich Caldwell wrote: The composer of a piece I'm currently working on said I should put my name on the last page of the score to credit myself as the engraver. My first reaction was that engravers don't normally do this, but I might be assuming incorrectly. After all, if I'm wrong, I could lose out on future work, and I don't want that. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] polyphonic keyboard notation
I just had a look at Heussenstamm (Norton, an old '87 edition!) just about the time you think there's a rule he gives an "acceptable" use that defeats logic, in my opinion. what I see generally, are these 'rules,' and they are spread out over a couple of different chapters: 1-when the interval of a second occurs between the two parts, the stems are aligned 2- if the parts cross, the stem of the higher pitch (even if it belongs to the lower part) is written on the left side, and the noteheads shouldn't touch each other 3- questions about unisons: are the note black or white? are there dots in either part? are the notes flagged or beamed? a- if the notes have the same rhythmic values they share noteheads (double stemming) b- whole notes are written twice c- undotted black notes may share the same notehead even if the note values are different d- if one black notehead is dotted and the other isn't, the dotted note is traditionally placed to the right of the undotted note (also consider acceptable to use double stemming even when one of the notes is dotted) e- separate noteheads should be used when half notes are combined with dotted half notes and the dotted note should be on the right (when both notes are dotted but of different values the shorter value notehead goes on the right) f- double stemming isn't acceptable for white notes when one of them is dotted g- it seems to be a rule of context that when there's a "moving line of notes" against a a steady rhythmic background (chordal or not), then the noteheads of the less mobile line go on the right. EX: 6 quarter notes in a voice moving againt two dotted halves? the halves go on the right 4- it may be preferable to change the clef of a staff temporarily to make things more readable -Cecil - Original Message - From: "dc" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] polyphonic keyboard notation dhbailey écrit: You've just proven my point -- there is no universally agreed on basis to choose which note gets moved, thus the difference in the two printed editions you cite. If there were a precise rule, they'd both be shifted the same. Right. Unless some engravers know the rules and others don't ;-) Thanks for your reply, though! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)
no problem. just sent via private email- -C - Original Message - From: "Ryan" To: Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics) Cecil, I'd love to have a copy of it if you're extending the offer to others on the list. It sounds like a neat edition. Ryan On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Cecil Rigby wrote: Not exactly what you're looking for, but of historical value I have a 6.54 mb PDF of "Raccolta di Inni Nazionali" published in 1895 - score meant for piano (i.e., harmonized, but what I'd call "no frills" renditions), a few with lyrics, if you're interested. The US anthem has differences from what we're used to today, so I imagine some of others may as well. Chile, Argentina, Portugal, Paraguay, Norway, Turkey many other rarely seen ones in this compilation. Let me know if you'd like to have the PDF via email. -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)
Not exactly what you're looking for, but of historical value I have a 6.54 mb PDF of "Raccolta di Inni Nazionali" published in 1895 - score meant for piano (i.e., harmonized, but what I'd call "no frills" renditions), a few with lyrics, if you're interested. The US anthem has differences from what we're used to today, so I imagine some of others may as well. Chile, Argentina, Portugal, Paraguay, Norway, Turkey many other rarely seen ones in this compilation. Let me know if you'd like to have the PDF via email. -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: "SN jef chippewa" To: Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics) anyone know where i can get ahold of an anthology of national hymns? i only want the melodies and lyrics, would greatly prefer a source with no harmonizations. if possible, also historical alternate versions (e.g. changes made during wars etc.) online or otherwise free or inexpensive are best. what would also be great is if they were available also as midi files... i came across this source with brief histories as well but i am trying to avoid having to transcribe them into finale. and a source with all in the same standardized format will help me make comparative studies of the form and implied harmonic progressions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] maximum verses between staves in hymns
The Lutheran Service Book (most recent version for LCMS) frequently sets five verses between the staves. However, there's a bit of space between verses 3 & 4, which makes scansion to the proper line of succeeding staves easier. I would definitely set the verses 3 & 3 if two pages are required when the voice parts and/or harmony changes. For six or more verses I would set 4 in the music and put 2 underneath. However, if I'm only acting as engraver and the client has asked that all verses go between the music I would gently make my suggestions and do whatever the client ultimately decides. -Cecil Rigby - Original Message - Subject: [Finale] maximum verses between staves in hymns I'm setting a hymn with 6 verses. I'm not terribly familiar with the conventions — what would be a good limit to the number of verses between the treble & bass clefs in a system? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] midi to usb
Hi all- Currently I use a midi-to-serial cable with a generic "gaming device" driver to send midi from my keyboards to Finale. Apparently I'll have to change this approach when I buy a new computer tower later this week. All the ones I've looked at lack the necessary serial port I'd need to continue with the present configuration. I've found a midi to usb cable (made by Hosa) on several websites and am wondering if any of you use this sort of cable and whether or not it works sufficiently for you. if only my skills with computer hardware were on a par with my engraving skills... thanks for whatever you can share about this Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
That's my understanding, too, Noel. This list had a similar round of debate regarding IMSLP, if I recall correctly.... -Cecil Rigby -Not Sorry for being a "me too-er" about this. - Original Message - Noel wrote: My understanding, informed by my own research, and by advice from an attorney knowledgeable in US intellectual property law, is that as with regard to the internet, the law governing what is posted on a site is the law of the jurisdiction in which the site is located, and that it is the responsibility of any user in a different jurisdiction to make certain that any content he accesses or downloads is legal in the jurisdiction in which that user is located. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Darcy! On NPR!
Congrats! Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Darcy! On NPR! Thanks for the well-wishes, everyone. Obviously I am very pleased to reach so many people. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano Duet Layout
My solution to this for a score needed "yesterday" was to create two separate files, making sure that each page had the same set of measures. I made PDF's and then combined them, putting the pages in proper order before saving to a single PDF. This method saved me from having to make separate measure regions on each page. Cecil Rigby rigrax at att.net - Original Message - From: Michael Lawlor To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:16 AM Subject: [Finale] Piano Duet Layout [Finale 2009] Does anyone have any advice on how to produce a performing score for piano duet with the secondo part on the left page facing the primo part on the right page? Regards, Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] oops
'm I bad for replying onlist to Noel. Sorry, everyone. Cecil ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cleanup a hymn file...
Hi Noel- if you haven't had a response you're happy with yet I'd be glad to look your file over. I use FinWin09 & earlier versions as needed. -Cecil Rigby rig...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: noel jones To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: [Finale] Cleanup a hymn file... I'm in a project and am not pleased with the look of the hymn pages that I am producing. If you do this kind of design tweaking and would like to have a look and give me a price for doing this, I can send a page. Drop me an email. noel jones noeljo...@usit.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notepad 2007 available anywhere?
I have installers for WIN Finale Notepads 2005 and 2006, and I have 2007 installed on my machine but apparently didn't keep the installer (oops!). Would '05 or '06 be helpful to you? -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: shirling & neueweise To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: [Finale] notepad 2007 available anywhere? anyone know of a place to get finale notepad 2007 (freeware)? the MM website lets me search for version 2007 but the results offer only a fontpack update. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
I had problems with fonts in Finale for a while until I found a utility online for fixing the fonts folder. I run that occasionally and have had no more problems. Maybe there's a utility for Macs like that? -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: Richard Yates To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet >Subject: Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet > > >> From: Allen Fisher >> >> David-- >> >> Finale is not unicode compliant. What font are you trying to use? >> >> Allen > >and > >> >> Finale doesn't support Unicode. You need an old-fashioned >non-Unicode >> IPA font. >> >> - Darcy >> - >> djar...@mac.com >> Brooklyn, NY > > >and > >> From: Richard Yates >> >> Look here: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/fonts.htm > >Allen, Darcy, and Richard, > >Thank you all. I tried using one of the fonts Richard >suggested. It still gives me a bunch of rectangular boxes in >Finale, and I can't get it to work anywhere in any application. > >Maybe I'm installing the font incorrectly? I dragged it into >the top level fonts folder. That should work, but it didn't. >I next tried making sure that it showed up as active in >Linotype FontExplorer X. I then tried converting the font to >PS with True Blue. I did these in stages, but none of them >gave me a font that works in any situation. I tried one of the ipa fonts at that link in Windows XP and Finale and it worked routinely. I can't help with Mac, but it seems to be normal font and the info says it works in MacOSX. Gotta be a way besides importing graphics. >This is too much like work! I'm going to use unicode in MS >Word to type my three words, export each as a pdf, open them >in Graphic Converter, trim/crop to the words and save them >tifs, and import those into Finale. At least I know that will >work! At this point, it is faster than messing with this. >Thank goodness I don't need IPA regularly! > >Thank you all for your suggestions. I now see why unicode in >Finale would be a really nice thing! > >David Froom >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] laser printer
I've never had problems with my HP 5100dtn (bought new) except for very rare paper jams. Toner cartridges are about $115-$145 depending on where you buy them, but I refill mine twice before getting a new one. My copy count is over 125K in just 5 years and the machine seems indestructible so far. It's probably time for a complete cleaning and overhaul but why mess with what works?! I, too, tho, have had problems getting it to print directly in post-2006 Finale versions properly (but I normally print from PDF anyway, so this isn't a major issue for me). Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Which TGTools work/don't work in F2009? (OS X)
Hi Matthew- I haven't had to use all the tools yet in a 2009 file, but my experience is that there's a problem with the tool for combining rests in multiple layers. The tool will indeed apply the needed changes, but the results aren't saved. The changes are lost whenever the page is updated, redrawn or saved. -Cecil - Original Message - From: Matthew Hindson (gmail) To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [Finale] Which TGTools work/don't work in F2009? (OS X) I haven't updated to F2009 but may have to soon because of a particular project. I have read that some of the TGTools don't work, in particular the Align plugin (a huge shame!). Which of the other ones don't work? Does the Staff List Manager work? Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Which TGTools work/don't work in F2009? (OS X)
Oops- I missed the parenthetic OS X- I'm on Windoze.. -Cecil Subject: Re: [Finale] Which TGTools work/don't work in F2009? (OS X) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Rehearsal measure numbers
Hi Andrew- Well, I use Fin09, but it seems this functionality should be the same for you, even if the dialog boxes may be a little different . I've done what you describe with the measure tool before (had both measure numbers and rehearsal lettering). Simply right-click the tool and choose edit measure number region. Set up (Add) a new region that encompasses however much of the piece you want to cover (all is easiest: e.g. 1-998) Then in the drop down options for style choose the lettering you want. On the right hand side of the dx you can set the enclosure shape, and even EDIT it, if you like. Make sure Always show on top staff is checked Set other options as you need (how often to appear, etc). You can always change all that as you would the appearance or disappearance of a regular measure number, of course. You might also make a list of the measure numbers and letters associated with them so if you want to make parts with multimeasure rests included you can go back and split measures as needed so that the rehearsal letters appear. Hope this helps- -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: Andrew Levin To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [Finale] Rehearsal measure numbers Collective wisdom, I can't seem to find an elegant way to do this: (Mac OS 10.5.5, Finale 2009b) I'd like to have rehearsal markings that are measure numbers, that are enclosed, and that have the functionality of the newly-named score list (top line of the score, all parts). I know I can do this as an expression, but I like clicking on a measure (with the measure tool) and having the correct measure number show up. Here's what I go through (I'm working on a string quartet): 1. Opt-shift a measure: inserts measure numbers on all staves (though oddly, only the top one is enclosed) 2. Select handles of the lower three numbers, then a. Double-click handle to assign enclosure b. Right-click to Unlink in All Parts c. Right-click to Show/Hide Based on Region Using expressions -- create one once, then duplicate and edit actual measure numbers -- is much simpler. But is there an even simpler way? (Of course, it probably took me longer to write this email than to have gone through the entire score creating measure number rehearsal marks using Expressions, but I'm thinking of my next project). Thanks! Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] re: rehearsal letters
well, what I just wrote was NOT what I meant At ALL! nonsense!! I SHOULD'VE written: go into the measure number tool add a new region in BOTH "Includes measure" boxes put in the actual measure number where you want a rehearsal letter So if rehearsal "A" starts at measure 25, put 25 in both boxes in the "First measure in region" box put 1 (this means letter number 1, 'A") now choose the letter style under "Style" and proceed as you would normally FOr rehearsal letter B you make another new region for just the single measure where you want it to show, say, measure 55, and then put "2" in the "First measure in region" box, thereby telling Fin you want the 2nd letter used there, which is B. etc sorry for the previous post! -Cecil ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] WinFin 2009a and the toxic file and Rant
Allen, I haven't had to change my library files for a couple of years, so I'd totally forgotten I had this option. Great! And, Darcy, thanks for the reminder on items stripped from XML files- I haven't actually done things this way yet, so you've made my life MUCH easier! -Cecil - Original Message - From: Allen Fisher To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] WinFin 2009a and the toxic file and Rant Hey Cecil-- Unless I'm missing something, can't you use Library-->Save Library-- >Document Options in 2k7 and load them into your 2k9 default? Allen - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] WinFin 2009a and the toxic file and Rant Just open the older file using Fin2009. Converting to XML first will strip out valuable data. You only need to do this when you are going backwards -- not forwards! Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] WinFin 2009a and the toxic file and Rant
'cos I haven't set my preferences for fonts and spacing in 09 yet is there a simple way to transfer all those details? am I all wet?! -Cecil (apparently still on the learning curve) - Original Message - From: Allen Fisher To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] WinFin 2009a and the toxic file and Rant Out of curiosity, why do you first convert to XML before opening the file in Finale 2009? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] WinFin 2009a and the toxic file and Rant
Hi all- Robert gave the 2 most important reasons I haven't switch to Sibelius. After sticking with 07c despite customers who wanted more recent file versions I finally relented and have 09a, but, after some time with it have decided to work mostly in 07 and import via xml to 09 for the final tweaking. 09 is probably the last version of Finale I'll ever buy. Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music Liberty, SC [snip] Sibelius lacks nested desk brackets [snip] it is simply impossible to work as quickly in Sibelius as one can in Finale with 3rd-party plugins. [snip] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] L.V.
Hi Stig- The guitarist should play the melody in its notated rhythm, but letting each note continue sounding past its notated length. It's identical to engaging the sustain pedal on a piano and then playing a melody- all the notes override each other until the pedal is released, dampening the strings. Usually one will find a sign that looks similar to a coda sign (an oval with crosshairs) at the end of such passages, and that means the player should resume playing with normal technique. LV comes from the French, laissez vibrez. The technique is impossible to achieve on guitar for consecutive notes played on a single string, obviously, so the player has to distribute successive notes among other strings to achieve the effect. As Terry said, the fingers must be left in position on the strings after each note is played. When the number of strings or fingers runs out to keep that practice sustained over the course of the melody or indication it's logical (to me), knowing the intended effect, that the first note played would be the first dropped to play the next one before any other notes were dropped. -Cecil RIgby LIberty, SC From: Terry Muska I believe the intention of "L.V." is to leave the left hand fingers in position ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics: Is Melisma with System Break Fixed?
In response to David W. Fenton question: Do you only get the proper hyphen at the beginning of system breaks if you use auto hyphenation? Michael L Meyer wrote: I believe so - in Document Options, there's a check-box for "Use Smart Hyphens." As far as I can tell, you only get automatic placement of hyphens at the beginning of systems with that checked. - In FinWin 09 I have that checked but do not get the hyphens at the beginning of the systems where they should be. I have NOT changed the defaults. -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] resend: FinWin 09 printing problem
Well, that's just not going to cut it, obviously. I'll try the 2-up option- I just didn't think that was a logical solution. (That begs a great response from someone!) Thanks for the background info, Christopher- maybe it'll help in my quest -Cecil Rigby - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] resend: FinWin 09 printing problem Hi Cecil, I have had problems printing booklets on my 5100 (Mac OS10.4), even with feeding the paper twice (that is, no duplexer). Despite several attempts at fixing it from people on this list and calls to tech support, I still haven't been able to do it. Tech support is unable to reproduce the problem. Here's one exchange from last year: [snip] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] resend: FinWin 09 printing problem
Hi all- My HP 5100dtn (duplexer) **WILL NOT** print on both sides in this version. I have the latest XP service pack 3 driver for the printer (that was the first thing I checked). I've tried every option I can think of, but menu items have moved so much from '06 I might be missing something and not even know it. What settings will allow me to print double-sided on 8.5x11 (or even 11x17 in booklets) ?! If no one's had this problem maybe I just need to contact tech support many thanks in advance for suggestions, etc. Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music Liberty, SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinWin 09 printing problem
Hi all- I couldn't locate anything relevant in the archives. I bit the bullet and ordered the '09 release for Win. Installation went perfectly, and although I've said a few cuss words because Mass Mover's no longer my good friend, I'm finding the new ways to do things fairly easily. Aside from the following single issue I've not had a problem with the program (and so far am *generally* pleased with its operation). My HP 5100dtn (duplexer) **WILL NOT** print on both sides in this version. I have the latest XP service pack 3 driver for the printer (that was the first thing I checked). I've tried every option I can think of, but menu items have moved so much from '06 I might be missing something and not even know it. What settings will allow me to print double-sided on 8.5x11 (or even 11x17 in booklets) ?! many thanks in advance for suggestions, etc. Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music Liberty, SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: My country stores book
Congrats on your new book, Dennis! how long did it take from conception to arrival at your door? -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Finale] OT: My country stores book Hi all, Wearing my non-musical author's hat: I am so pleased to announce that my new book, "Country Stores of Vermont: A History and Guide" has finally arrived at my door. It's published by The History Press, and looks pretty darn good. Amazon and other stores have it (see sig) or you can get an autographed copy directly from me (email off-list please). End of advertisement and back to work...! Dennis Buy my book today! <http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-kitsz/dp/1596294752/> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] default file issues
I would open the template, delete the unwanted expressions, and then save a new expression library with a name I'd recognize for the default template. Then reopen the default template, load the new library, and save the file as a new template. then I'd either delete the old template and rename the new one to the old name, or relink the default document to the file with the new name. but I'm in 2006b, so it might be a different set of steps for you- BTW, I'm ALMOST decided to upgrade to 09- and as someone else said, if I do I'll keep using the older version(s) until I'm satisfied with the new (to me) features, like linked scores, etc. -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lawrence David Eden To: FinaleList Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: [Finale] default file issues Dear Listers, I have a template set-up that I use to start most of my new documents (FinMac 2K4). I have this template saved as my Finale Default File. Here is the problem: I have several text expressions from a previous work, that have apparently been saved, that I want to omit from the template. . I delete the extra expressions but the next time I OPEN a new document, I still see those old text expressions. Obviously, I am making a mistake somewhere along the linebut I can't figure it out so far. I want Finale to: OPEN a Default Document using my template...the one with the extra expressions deleted. How do I do it? Suggestions? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: EU proposes copyright extensions
< http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article4347643.ece > "The rock dinosaurs of the 1960s are in line for a spectacular windfall after the EU announced plans yesterday to extend musicians' entitlement to retrospective royalties from 50 to 95 years." -Cecil RIgby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009
Chuck wrote: I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it. I'm just "me too"ing ..... Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT: Windows backup software
Just be aware that if you ever have to do a repair of WinXP you'll need to hand-register several dll's or the various updates (about 88 of them?) that would bring you back up to SP3 won't install. This is due to an undocumented install of an update to XP and Vista by MS to people's machines WHETHER OR NOT they wanted it (before the SP3 update was released). It was a stealth update no one got a choice about, and it carried a flaw. See http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=817 for documentation Personally, I had no trouble with the SP3 updater last week. Anyway- sorry I didn't answer your REAL question. I usually just backup critical files to USB like you- I've never backed up an entire disk. I know that'll get me a flame or two! -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - French Speakers
Michael wrote:
I do, however, feel obliged to point out that the "ot" in your 13th
century example is a verb, the obsolete past tense, third person, of
the verb "ouïr", ("to hear"), whereas the "ot" in Lawrence's example
is clearly a noun.
-
a great example of why I'll never be a linguist:)
-Cecil
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Re: [Finale] OT - French Speakers
Anon., from The Becket Leaves Quant l'ot dire seint Thomas, When holy Thomas heard it said S'il fust irez ne esmerveil pas, Don't be surprised if he was angry, Kar a sa persone apent For to his person belongs Le real corunement; The royal coronation; it may not be modern French, but is certainly found in Old French. -Cecil (back to work- I love these diversions, tho!) - From: Michael Cook In any case, "ot" is not a word in French. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - French Speakers
? maybe it means something like "have courage to hear this," like when we say "you're not gonna like this news" -Cecil Rigby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The context is, when I asked about where I could get wi-fi internet connection "tu peux l'avoir a l'ot" ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
How many haven't left 2006 yet?!! I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver slurs really *do* work now... -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick Sheehan asked: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: writing on PDF files
ZDNet downloads has this available for free: A-PDF Number is a software utility program that adds/creates page number in PDF files which are compatible with Adobe Acrobat Reader Version 5 and above. The program is a standalone application. Features: Adding number partly. Three display mode: number, roman (IV), roman (iv). Three position select: left, middle, right. Prefix setting. Color setting. see <http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?&q=pdf&licfilter=free&docid=228188> you must register, but that's free, too, to receive any download. hope this helps- Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - What I want to do is have numbered pages on that final big PDF document. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Update on Internat'l Music Score Library Project
David asked: I wonder if it [IMSLP] will be as comprehensive? the online FAQ is pretty comprehensive.( http://imslp.wikidot.com/faq ) I find this to be the most interesting point (because Universal Editions sent the Cease & Desist letter that ultimately closed IMSLP down): "10. Will there be any changes from the original main site? There will be some changes, but mostly everything will be kept the same. No score will be removed due to Universal Edition demands." -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] error message on TIFF insert-- any way to work around?
if I start with a 600 dpi or better jpg I don't have this problem- but I normally am reducing them as much as 75% within Finale, too- so, as with all things, YMMV. -Cecil - Original Message - From: David W. Fenton To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] error message on TIFF insert-- any way to work around? On 29 May 2008 at 15:32, Cecil Rigby wrote: > Save the file from bmp to jpg first (try something other than Irfanview > and see whether yo get better results), and then use MS Photo Editor to > save it as tif. before saving, click on the More... button and make sure > LZW compression isn't selected. JPG is a terrible format for non-photographic graphics. It's lossy compression, and will be blurry. Get some graphics program that can deal with bitmaps and TIFs directly (there are plenty of them), and avoid any conversions to intermediate formats. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] error message on TIFF insert-- any way to work around?
MS Photo Editor won't open bitmapped pictures (on my XP system, at least). Save the file from bmp to jpg first (try something other than Irfanview and see whether yo get better results), and then use MS Photo Editor to save it as tif. before saving, click on the More... button and make sure LZW compression isn't selected. I just did a handful of these today and had no problem. YMMV, apparently, if you've tried this. Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have repeatedly tried to insert graphics that have been saved as NON-compressed TIF files (originally MS Paint bitmaps, then converted to tiffs in either Irfanview or MS Photo Editor). No matter what, I still get a message saying Finale doesn't support LZW compressed graphics. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Update on Internat'l Music Score Library Project
It has been confirmed that IMSLP will be online again on July 1st, 2008 at 12AM EST. see http://imslp.wikidot.com/ -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] bad timestamp
John, your gift of memory is fine (no battery loss there, apparently!) see http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh/ "The classic symptom is when a Mac starts up in Black and White (the Monitors control panel is set to Black & White), with the date set in 1956. If this happens and you are on an early model you will probably also be in 24 bit addressing mode." -Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - That rings a bell. That may be the date to which the internal clock defaults when the internal battery goes dead. I think it happened to me once, but it doesn't normally happen because most people don't keep a computer long enough for that battery to run out. Can anyone confirm or deny? John After retrieving more than 50 old Fin files from several Mac disks for a friend I finally ran into one instance of a file with a timestamp (reported by WinZip) of 9/2/1956. It was supposed to be a Fin 97 file (!). Obviously there's some corruption in there. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] bad timestamp
Hey Eric et al- as it turns out my friend had saved the file twice on different disks. The other file was fine, so no work's been lost. But for future reference I think you have a good idea. (I wanted to do it that way to start with but have no Mac access right now). many thanks! Cecil - Original Message - From: Eric Dannewitz To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] bad timestamp It could be that MacDrive is not reading the disk correctly. Mac Floppy drives were very different from PC floppy drives. What you really should do is find someone who has a Macintosh with a floppy drive and see if they can transfer the files over. Or I believe there are some USB external floppies for mac you can buy, but I don't know how well they work. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After retrieving more than 50 old Fin files from several Mac disks for a > friend I finally ran into one instance of a file with a timestamp (reported > by WinZip) of 9/2/1956. It was supposed to be a Fin 97 file (!). Obviously > there's some corruption in there. [snip] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] bad timestamp
After retrieving more than 50 old Fin files from several Mac disks for a friend I finally ran into one instance of a file with a timestamp (reported by WinZip) of 9/2/1956. It was supposed to be a Fin 97 file (!). Obviously there's some corruption in there. I can't copy or move the file (using MacDrive), but I can rename the file. Still it won't open as a text file, etc. I get weird errors like "cyclic redundancy check", "80070001: incorrect function," etc., in various programs. But I'm able to get into the file with SourceEdit, and the bottom section of the file is badly garbled. So it looks like I really have 2 problems with the file: bad timestamp, and a file that didn't save properly. The floppy itself isn't bad- I was able to get surrounding files on it to copy. Is there a way to use this hex editor or a similar program to copy header info (assuming that's where the timestamp problem is maybe not?) from a good Fin97 file to this one to see if I can get it to open? Which sectors are the ones I need? Or am I just hoping for the impossible? thanks- Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] mac Fin files to PC
Hi all- a friend has several Mac disks with older Fin files. He no longer has a Mac (and I reluctantly moved to PC myself 3 years ago), so what's the best way to get these files over to my PC where I can access them and do the work he wants? (If he still had a Mac I'd just have him upload the files to my server, etc) I saw a utility from a websearch called Macdrive- does it work well enough?- and will I be able to get the files AND their resource forks intact in a way that makes them openable on my PC? any suggestions welcome!! many thanks in advance- Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net Liberty, SC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] word extensions over rests
What I do (FINWin) is enter all lyrics and assign them normally then go back to such passages, and in page view, using the "Type into score" menu item for Lyric tool, I enter an alt-0160 at the first rest needing a word extension. Then I switch to the "Edit word extensions" menu item and, clicking on the rest, drag the extension rightward first, then use adjust syllables tool to move it leftward as needed. Even it this requires a few steps, is still easier than making/placing/spacing smartshape lines. This is one of the very last steps I take when finishing a score since changing formatting afterwards could require even more tweaking. -Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net - Original Message - From: dc To: finale@shsu.edu ; finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] word extensions over rests David W. Fenton écrit: >Have you tried using the selection tool with them? I don't recall if >this gets handles, or just allows you to move/delete a word extension >continued on a new system, but it's worth a try maybe? There's no way I can find to get them to move down to the next system. They just continue to extend on the same one. Perhaps I should specify that I don't use the "smart" variety of word extensions. But even the "smart" ones don't move down - I just tried them. Thanks for the suggestion, nevertheless. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] what does a copyist do?
She didn't even know what scordatura is. - Original Message - From: David W. Fenton 2. ask if the composer intends for the player to tune the bottom string down to accommodate the lower notes, and, if so, shouldn't there be a note advising the player about that. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] what does a copyist do?
This thread reminds me of that movie (wasn't it about Beethoven?) in which the female copyist rewrites something and the composer rants about it. --- If copying is all that's really wanted then that's all I do (but it's really boring for me even if I am getting paid). In my experience it's really easy to lose future work from a client if I offer unsolicited criticism the first time I work for them. Some people get highly offended at the slightest intimation that something might be done differently, no matter how good the reason for making the suggestion. For example, I copied a piece for a composition student last year that had violin playing several notes below its range. I knew this was going to draw criticism from the comp professor and so brought it to the young lady's attention. She promptly fired me and accused me of trying to derail her career. But when there's an opportunity I do enjoy helping a composer find the best way to communicate their ideas to musicians. I'm currently working on a symphony that's full of wrong or missing accidentals (especially in transposing instrument parts), and the composer said he expects me to find and correct such errors. That's in the job description as copyist for me. But the score also has a couple of passages that are just clumsy, strained, and a real obstacle to the musical ideas in general. Have I commented on those things? Yep- but only because we've developed a very good relationship over time. In this case I was asked to cross the line into editing responsibilities, but the composer will always have the last say, whether the result is good or not. Another piece I worked on last year contained an organ part that could only be played on a four-manual instrument because of registration needs. While it was playable and would sound great just the way it was written, I pointed out that few (U.S.) non-church venues have a four-manual organ. The result was that the composer redistributed some notes to other instruments. Nothing musical was lost and the piece now has a chance of being played anywhere there's a two-manual instrument. The composer was grateful for the insight. Was that generally within my interests as a copyist? I don't think so. Others might. I just felt free to offer a practical suggestion based on the kind of relationship we developed as we worked together. Of the composers I know personally those are best that can admit they don't know everything (neither do I, of course!). Humility, though, seems a foreign commodity among some, and unfortunately I find myself disliking some otherwise really good music simply because of the composer's overblown ego. In those cases I still do my best copying work, but keep my editing mouth shut. Then I get pompous and tell myself "that could earn a Pulitzer if they'd only listen to me." :)heehee- talk about ego! What really irks me are conductors who presume to rewrite music after it's been thoroughly edited, copied, re-edited and published. 1. poor composer. 2. overblown egos. -Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net - Original Message - Part of the message from: shirling & neueweise "From a copyist, composers generally [expect] their score to be copied exactly as they gave it, no more and no less." [snip] i know there are copyists that also feel this way, but i've always felt that the copyist's most important role is to improve the performers' relation with the music.. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Paper finish - smooth vs. vellum
I use the same type for everything because smooth erases easier- Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: [Finale] Paper finish - smooth vs. vellum Hi all, Just curious what type of paper finish people here prefer for parts -- smooth or vellum? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default File
I found mine in the Components folder -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: [Finale] Default File Hi all, I am using WinFin2006c I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line width) for the default file which opens every time I create a new file with the file wizard. I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in this?) If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it. The programme options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I can't find it listed. I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting nowhere fast this afternoon! Thanks, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
Our church has a CCLI license, and I decided to see if printing to PDF from their site would work. CCLI presents their hymn sheets through Flash, and though I received a message that the player was causing a slowdown of the program, Distiller still printed to a PDF perfectly. Does bandmusicdirect.com use Flash for their interface? -Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net David Bailey wrote; Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip]> Right. Haven't you ever used Distiller or PDF95 or some other PDF > printer driver? It looks to your system exactly like a printer. If this > site lets you print to your physical printer, there's nothing to stop > you from printing to PDF instead. And even if you get one big PDF with > all the parts, you can still selectively print pages from that later. > > Or, as I said, there's always a xerox machine. > It would be interesting to see if that would work -- I'm not about to spend that kind of money to find out. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
David Bailey wrote: It's just the temerity of Hal Leonard in charging the same for music where we do the difficult part of printing as they do for music where they do the printing and have the tax issues of physical inventory in the warehouse and the expense of warehouse personnel to pick the orders and ship them. While we no longer have an online catalogue at Harrock Hall (so I'm not trying to get anyone to buy anything), when I set up the pricing structure for the purchase of PDF licenses for some of our titles I took into account the fact that the customer was going to spend more money down the line in printing. In some cases PDF prices were as much as 70% less than the print versions. PDF sales eventually outpaced those for hard copies, and it only took 2 months to happen. Another independent online vendor using this sort of pricing is Handlo Music. (DISCLAIMER: I do own shares in Handlo, but I'm not trying to get anyone to buy anything from the company through this post.) -Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano reductions (2nd try)
well, Im glad to know I can be counted on for something these days. :) sorry i got long-winded- it's the old perfectionist in me I guess- I love Finale, despite wanting to boot it out the door some days. It usually does what I want. Hope it will for you- -Cecil Thank you Cecil for the Mus.D. dissertation and humor. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano reductions (2nd try)
what I would try is this. make a copy of the file and open it run the Data Check utility - all options under file maintenace checked resave the file and then try the reduction procedures if it fails again I would then... remove all optimization and staff styles that might be present check all systems to see if any have been forced to a next page and undo that option where needed if so using mass mover respace notes through the entire piece make sure update layout is set to remove previous layout and reflow across pages and systems update the layout & save the file try the reduction process again if it fails again I would redefine all pages, setting the page size to 8.5x11 run update layout again save the file try the reduction procedures again failing all this I dunno what I'd do except write this list, too! hoping this helps- Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liberty, SC - Original Message - From: Herman Gersten To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: [Finale] Piano reductions (2nd try) Dear List, No one responded to this query. I wonder if the list received it. > A composer friend wants a piano reduction of a complex 35 page > score for 3 orchestras. Page size 11 X 17. > Using the piano reduction plug-in, Finale completed the reduction > but it was not visible in Page View, only in Studio and Scroll views. > > I thought that page size might have something to do with this > problem, but lengthening the file's page size to 11 x 22 still did > not produce the "missing" reduction. > > I tested the plug-in on a woodwind quintet score. There was no > problem. The reduction appeared at the bottom of the page as it is > supposed to. > > Ideas? Herman www.concertbandmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale '08
Hi all- Daniel Wolf wrote: Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale - I've been a user since version 2, now using 2006b - I've created scores/parts for all sorts of amateur, pro & semi-pro choral societies and musicians- a few are: Chanticleer, Freda Herseth, Carson Cooman, Anna Rubin, Owen Reed, Frank La Rocca, Graham Pawley, James Niblock, Mike McFerron, Paul Ayres, Bob Jordahl, Walli DePue. Full symphonies to simple choral pieces, and some textbook work by subcontract, plus my own compositions, of course. (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes - While I am seriously concerned about bugs, I haven't written anyone about bugs in years - I've dropped the ball here.I guess my reasons are that there are others on the list that are much bigger "power users" than I, and I assumed Finale programmers would pay attention to elephants quicker than they would mice. It's really hard to motivate myself in this area when I see so many others being ignored, honestly. Even though I finally learned how to get around most things that bother me personally, I remain concerned about what I'll do when 2006 is no longer supported. Switching to a different program is probably a given at some point (a year or two?) if nothing of substance changes concerning Finale's bugs **soon**. c) are either skipping an '08 upgrade or switching to a competing product during this cycle? - I'm not switching to anything else right now, but I can't justify upgrading anymore, either. Finale spends lots of time providing many things in the program I simply don't need, like GPO, or exporting to audio. I'm not opposed to those tools- I know lots of people use them, and I might one day. But if they'd spend at least ONE version cycle fixing long-exisiting bugs and implementing other important requests (like staff-independent time signatures, decent options for text/lyric processing, WYSIWYG slurs, options for saving graphics in formats other than TIF or EPS, etc.) then they'd have no problem retaining me as a customer. Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music Liberty, SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Binding options
yeah, that'll work, then- room to spare- and, just to confirm your assumption, 20# paper IS used to figure sheet capacity. -Cecil Darcy wrote: Can't do a proof -- I don't have the document yet. And since you have to order 100 coils at a time, I need a good all-purpose size. I just want to make sure 12 mm is enough. (It's rated capacity is 90 sheets, which I assume means 90 20 lb. sheets. I have 60 24 lb. sheets, plus front and back cover, and like I said, I want a little extra room for page turns. I wrote earlier:>> Can you run a proof plus covers and measure that? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Binding options
sorry if this borders on nit-picky. I once made the mistake of measuring a stack of paper to determine what size coil I needed only to find out that ink has some thickness when so many pages are put back to back. and the paper's not truly flat anymore, which adds a little, too. Can you run a proof plus covers and measure that? -Cecil Rigby A related question -- anyone have any idea what size coil I'd want for 60 sheets of 24. lb bond plus cardstock front and back cover? Does 12 mm sound right to everyone? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Binding options
Hi Darcy- I'm sure you know this perfect-bound books don't lie flat on the music rack very well. "Breaking the back" on them to make them lie flat will make them fall apart more quickly. They're made mostly for occasional use (quality paperbacks in the bookstore, for example), or for (relatively) cheap archiving. Your client's not going to be very happy if the book is to be used very frequently- it will start coming apart within a few months with regular use, and they'll think it's your fault. Maybe these are some of the reasons you're leaning toward coil binding. Around here printers who are capable of perfect binding charge a setup fee. The highest fee I've encountered was $150, and the lowest, $90 ( & I'll wager that NY-area prices are higher). Some printers are variable in cost to the number of pages, and others have a flat fee. Inquire about the type of glue they use- some get brittle quicker than others over time. Better glues cost more, but they last longer because they have a higher rubber content. Stapling's an option with the thickness you're producing, but middle pages will tend to tear out. These books do lie flatter, and they're cheaper than perfect-bound. Of course, you have to take creep into account since these are folded sheets. And the book will look much better printed to a slightly larger size with a finishing trim (adding to the cost). You could go with saddle-stitched, but normally that's reserved for hardback bindings, and it's pretty expensive- too costly for a short run of 30 copies. This binding will require gluing the stitched booklet groups together and adding a glued cardboard cover. Normally these have stamped lettering, but you could opt to glue a print on the front. One option you might have that could save some money, being in a large metro area, is to see whether you can get a university librarian to send your work to the bindery they use for theses. You'd get saddle-stitched copies back, probably. Like a perfect-bound copy, this won't lie flat very well. It's just meant to be more durable. You're sensible to suggest coil binding - your client should listen to you.. unless these copies are intended as gifts or library-quality prints. ? If so, perfect-bound may be more sensible. You just pass the costs on. Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music Liberty, SC rigrax at earthlink.net - Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: [Finale] Binding options [snip] Perhaps someone with more experience could give me some advice, especially when it comes to price, etc. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Help needed with English text
"tessitura" would be correct, but is using this term required? Because the violin part lies high it has been transposed for ease of reading throughout. Can you not use a different clef, similar to the way a treble clef with a little 8 attached is used for tenor voices in choral pieces? Such a use would be simpler, requiring no note to the conductor or instrumentalist. just wondering... Cecil Rigby Harrock Hall Music Liberty, SC rigrax at earthlink.net Should it be "tessitura", "tessiture", "tessituri", or "tessituras"? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: bell construction terminology
see http://www.msu.edu/~carillon/batmbook/chapter5.htm there's a lot of info on acoustics, and you'll (scroll down about halfway through the page) see a schematic describing the areas of a bell with their respective names. hope this helps- Cecil Rigby Liberty, SC rigrax at earthlink.net - Original Message - From: "shirling & neueweise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: [Finale] OT: bell construction terminology periodically there are postings about bell ringing here... does anyone know what the term is for the middle portion of the bell body? if i am talking about the thickness, is it the thickness of the WALL of the bell i would refer to? cheers, jef -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano notation question
The simplest solution IMO, if the sixteenth note triplet is notated in proper rhythm in the measure right before the downbeat, is to add a pedal down marking at the start of the triplet that ends after the downbeat note (or wherever you want the sound to end). It wouldn't hurt to add a slur from the first of the triplet to the downbeat. Together these markings should be sufficient. (The same could be done even if the triplet were grace notes. The point is that a pedal marking means these notes are to be sustained without you having to write them out in proper rhythmic notation using ties, etc.) Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I'd like to notate a rolled chord with the rhythms of the roll specified - happens to be a 16th note triplet before the barline landing on the 4th note of the chord on the db with all notes held. [snip] How is this done in piano music. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mid-measure clefs
aha! Thanks, Robert- I'd forgotten about that routine entirely. -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Mid-measure clefs In my previous post I mentioned the feature that allows you to select a region and specify the clef for that region. I believe that feature was added in Fin04, and because I'm such a long-time (nigh-20-year) user, I often forget about it. But specifying clef changes by region is a great way to put them in. Finale automatically removes redundant clef changes or inserts 1 or more midmeasure clefs as needed to match your selection. It's a great feature and I should remember to use it more often. Cecil Rigby wrote: Why can't we specify the range of measures? - What does the clef change type have to do with setting the range of ANY change? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mid-measure clefs
Mine acts consistently, and doesn't wipe out subsequent clef changes. (I'm use 2006d) But here's a weirdity... try this and see what kind of behavior you get doubleclick where you want the midmeasure change choose the new clef in the measure region box choose the first radio (measure x to measure x) only after the above click the "create a movable midmeasure clef" for me this has the effect of limiting the change to this measure only, inserting a returning courtesy clef Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Mid-measure clefs Hmm, I may have spoke too soon. It seems the behavior is not consistent. Sometimes the mid-measure clef wipes out my subsequent clef changes, and sometimes it doesn't. I can't figure out why. Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mid-measure clefs
In my last post I should've stated that one normally can't select that checkbox in the measure range section if you've already selected the midmeasure clef option. I see no reason for that behavior! Why can't we specify the range of measures? - What does the clef change type have to do with setting the range of ANY change? -Cecil ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
i thought it was m.d. and m.g. main droit (right) main gauche (left) Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a piece I am currently editing the composer has indicated left hand and right hand at one place as m.s. and m.d.. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
ah- there it is- I always used the French- I didn't know the Italian equivalents -Cecil google: "musical terms MS MD" Mano destra M.D. The right hand Mano sinistra M.G. or M.S. The left hand ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: transposing standards downward
Mark wanted to know. But I'm honestly not sure what you mean by "singing something outside their range". Do you mean a singer whose comfortable vocal range is X picks a song that lies Y and she attempts to sing it anyway and therefore sounds like crap because she's really an X? Or do you mean a singer whose range is X but rather than finding a song that was written for X instead picks a song that was originally written as Y and transposes it down to X so that she can sing it? ---I did mean the former... Thanks for a well-thought out response- I see you points clearly and think I can get past my misgivings much easier in the future- -Cecil rigrax at earthlink.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: transposing standards downward
Oops! sorry for not removing most of Mark's post from my reply- I got in a hurry- Cecil ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: transposing standards downward
Hi Mark et al- Some of the remedies you ask about will work better in some pieces than others, of course, so take what happened in my case with that in mind. For a recent wedding I had to transpose the pop song, "Time to say goodbye," for a male soloist down to C from a-flat. In that key the piano part was, as you pointed out could happen, unmanageable. Had it not been a paying job I would've just let it be. I found, during first rehearsal, that *my* problems with lots of ledger lines and reading in bass clef were solved by playing *up* to the key, rather than down, but also found this overpowered the already-too-quiet singer most of the time. Also, the singer couldn't hear the actual notes he wanted to sing and flopped all over between high and low registers- a real disaster. So the main problem from a musical point of view was the sound rather than my having to read low notes. (But I did score most everything in bass clef because it made for fewer upper ledger lines than the other way around.) -- not to mention that this piece was meant as a duet and would've worked much better with the thinner accompaniment as one-- The only real solution for this particular piece was to drop most every bass note that was below great C- otherwise the thing would've been very muddy sounding- all those overtones with nowhere to go but against each other- yuk! Any thirds I retained were always more than an octave from their roots. Only in places where there was no singing could I afford to take the liberty of playing up an octave, and I only did it then for some variety and repose from all those low notes. Adding to the overall problem is the slow tempo of the piece that gave low notes that much more time to sound and concatenate. All the music had to be simplified- very few full chords- I kept the accompaniment as thin as possible. And *much* less pedaling!! Revoicing in this case meant just leaving lots of notes out. Pushing them up an octave was too distracting to the singer- and the right hand was supposed to play octaves in many places- how does one revoice those?! I have found if a piece is to be transposed more than a third or fourth up or down then something major usually has to be done to the accompaniment- changes for some pieces are less drastic than for others- again, it depends on the piece. - Since Mark admits to not being a purist the following comments are not intended for him personally--- WHY do people insist on singing something outside their range in auditions? !&^#! I'd much rather hear, and can much better judge, a singer who sings in their range as well as they can. And I admit wanting to hear them do standards as much as possible- otherwise it's comparing apples and oranges between singers vying for the same seat. Four altos who audition with music meant for an alto are more likely to get a fair judging than four who sing pieces outside their ranges, I think. What gets me on this was the mention of musical theatre pieces. Most musical theatre composers have a song in a particular range *for a reason.* Can you imagine an alto trying to pull off Gilbert & Sullivan's "The sun whose rays," from Mikado? All the fine, airy quality written into the music would be turned instantly into smog! Someone tell me how can that music help an alto in an audition situation? To keep this a bit more on topic- I have at times run the check ranges plugin to help identify weak areas in voicing. It's nice that one can set the upper and lower limits to suit.... Here's hoping the first part was helpful, at least- Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net - Original Message - From: Mark D Lew To: Finale-List 3 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:05 AM Subject: [Finale] TAN: transposing standards downward This isn't a specific question so much as my general interest in others' experience with the same phenomenon. I work with singers a lot, and from time to time I'm asked to type up a transposed copy of a song that the singer wants to sing in a different key, for an audition, recital or whatever. In theory, my task is to just copy the original exactly as is, then let Finale magically change it to another key and we're good to go. But sometimes it's not that simple. Very often, the song is one from the early musical theater era -- say, Rodgers & Hammerstein or thereabouts -- and the singer is a belty mezzo. The style in those days was to write women singers higher than most women are used to singing today, and even the lower songs are generally in the middle soprano range. Since the belty mezzo is happiest from about G to G on either side of middle C, she typically wants the song transposed down a third or even a fourth. This feels perfectly natural to her, since that'
Re: [Finale] IPA in lyrics
download IPAPhon from http://www.unh.edu/linguistics/Resources/IPAPhon.htm and after unzipping the files (maybe on your desktop), manuever to your Font folder in the Windows folder. From the dropdown menu select Install Font and navigate to the files on your desktop to install. Open Finale and use the lyrics tool and then Edit Lyrics. Use the dropdown menu to select the font that's been installed. Type away! I always use the Windows prog Character Map to see where specific caliphs are located, and copy from the prog to Finale as needed. You can get an extended version of it from http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32/extendedcharactermap141.html Hope this helps- Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net - Original Message - From: leti To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: [Finale] IPA in lyrics How can I use IPA symbols in lyrics? I'm using Win Finale 2007. I've seen some recent discussions on Popchar - I do use that utility with Word documents. I've used it with Finale to insert special characters (non-IPA). I couldn't get the insert to work, but I got the ASCII code from Popchar and entered it into Finale. That worked for those special characters, but it doesn't work with IPA characters. I've tried these fonts: Arial Unicode MS and Lucinda Sans Unicode. Thanks for the help, Leti ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Lulu.com
David Fenton wrote: >>>I don't know about Acrobat, but I use the PC-only PDF995 tools (free in sponsored version) to print to PDF. Then I can use the PDF tools to output the PDF to TIFF files (choosing which type of TIFF and the output resolution). Then I can use the same PDF utilities to assemble the TIFFs into a PDF. ---I didn't know PDF995 had a set of tools that would do this. Neato for those without Acrobat! Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TIFF from Finale [was: Re: TAN: Lulu.com]
Kim, Generating graphics of entire pages can be done within the graphics tool in Finale, and tiff is one of the options given for file type. After the save routine one can open the tiff in a photo program and print it to pdf by choosing a program like PDF995 as the print driver. That doesn't resolve the issue of combining all those single pdf's into a single file, tho, for Andrew. BTW, Andrew, except for some semantic details, you were right when you wrote "I had thought that PDF text was a self-standing graphical image of whatever file it was derived from. Isn't that the whole point of the thing?" A PDF doesn't rely on "outside" fonts. It does rely on the person creating it to embed the needed fonts *correctly* so the fonts' graphic designs and frequency of use can be described in the file's code properly. :) -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kim Patrick Clow To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: Lulu.com On 1/4/07, Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So how do I go about converting a 40-page Finale file into TIFFs? >And what's the difference betw. a "flat TIFF" and a round one? You're cracking me up here ;) Tiffs can have multiple layers, just like a Photoshop file. A flat TIFF means it is all one layer. And I don't know the answer to how to get Finale to generate tiff files and then save those to PDF, I'm still in the process of correcting proofs before I publish :( Such a long process! I'll try to find out more about Lulu in the meanwhile. Good Luck, Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT trouble sending pdf files
Hi Chuck- it sounds to me like his service provider hasn't set an association for the .pdf extension on their servers. Your friend should contact the ISP and ask them to do so. When an attachment's extension type isn't on a server's association list it will just assign whatever the provider sets as a default. Or, your friend could always try changing the name of the file so that it ends in .pdf instead of .mime- sometimes that's all that needs to be done on the receiver's end. Hope this helps- ( I may be a little fuzzy on the details, but I had this happen to me several months back and this was the solution in my case. ) Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Chuck Israels Subject: [Finale] OT trouble sending pdf files [snip] I don't know why I am sending one thing and he is receiving another. Thanks, Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
