Re: [Finale] pdf printing resolved
On 05.07.2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the original error message Kinkos received on the first file was unable to locate original file. This sounds like the PDF was referencing another file which you didn't include (or for which the path name was incorrect). Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing resolved
I suppose that is possible. I used three different programs to create the various files. I also have graphics, created in a draw program, embedded in some of the Finale documents. I thought, however, that creating a pdf would take care of all that. I have, in the past, created web pages which require that certain documents referenced in the web page are located in the same folder. I didn't realize pdfs work in a similar fashion. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises http://members.aol.com/njrmuse -Original Message- From: Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:57:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [Finale] pdf printing resolved On 05.07.2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the original error message Kinkos received on the first file was unable to locate original file. This sounds like the PDF was referencing another file which you didn't include (or for which the path name was incorrect). Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
On 04.07.2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I took them to Kinkos, they were unable to open the pdf document on their windows based system (I think they use Dell?). However, they were able to open up the book on a Mac they have on site. The Mac, however, is not networked so they cannot print from it. They can only print from the windows based system. To answer that it would really help to know what happened when they tried to open it. Did Acrobat give an error message? What was it? Also, what, exactly, was the name of the file? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
On 5 Jul 2006 at 13:36, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/07/04 / 05:01 PM wrote: A file is a file. You should be able to tell Adobe Acrobat Reader to attempt to open any file, no matter what the format, and it should attempt it (and give an error message if it's not a PDF file). If I remember correctly, PDF uses special binary header. Any error on the header ends up in error that Acrobat will identify it as corrupted. Did we not have this cross platform problem common between some Acrobat versions a long while ago? I don't remember the detail, but it was something to do with header identifying compression algo. So, this is a problem with the Mac version of Acrobat? Or the built- in PDF creator in OS X? Why in the world would an app on its native platform create files that are not cross-platform compatible when the whole purpose of the files is universal portability? Sounds like somebody screwed up! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
David W. Fenton / 2006/07/05 / 01:50 PM wrote: So, this is a problem with the Mac version of Acrobat? Or the built- in PDF creator in OS X? No, no. As I said long years ago, it was way before OSX. I think I was with Acrobat 4 on both Win and Mac. The problem seems to come when you output to distiller driver from apps. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing resolved
The pdf printing problem, at least for me and for the time being, has been resolved. I just returned from my 3rd trip to Kinkos and they were able to open up the pdf file on their windows operating system. In order to resolve the problem, I took the good advice I received from this list and converted all my files first to postscript and then used the distiller to create the pdf for each file from those postscript files. I still assembled the resulting pdfs in acrobat v4 as I did before and the clerk at Kinkos was able to open the file with no problems. Thanks to all that responded to my cry for help. By the way, the original error message Kinkos received on the first file was unable to locate original file. I still don't understand why a product. touted as universal would require such a workaround. The pdf files seem, at least in this case, to act more like a host rather than a stand alone file, however, at least now the problem is solved. Thanks again to all who responded! Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises http://members.aol.com/njrmuse -Original Message- From: A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Finale] pdf printing David W. Fenton / 2006/07/05 / 01:50 PM wrote: So, this is a problem with the Mac version of Acrobat? Or the built- in PDF creator in OS X? No, no. As I said long years ago, it was way before OSX. I think I was with Acrobat 4 on both Win and Mac. The problem seems to come when you output to distiller driver from apps. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
Hello to all, I have prepared a music book for printing and decided to do it off-site. I prepared all the music pages in Finale and converted them to pdf. Other pages such as the cover and table of contents, etc. were prepared using other programs, such as Photoshop, and also converted to pdf. Using Adobe Acrobat (v 4) I imported all the pages and assembled them into a pdf booklet. When I took them to Kinkos, they were unable to open the pdf document on their windows based system (I think they use Dell?). However, they were able to open up the book on a Mac they have on site. The Mac, however, is not networked so they cannot print from it. They can only print from the windows based system. The clerk there said he thinks that you have to specify a platform when you save the pdf document. This does not sound right to me. I thought Adove designed the pdf to be available on any platform for reading and printing regardless of the platform you create it on. Am I wrong or am I missing something basic here. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What am I doing wrong? I am using a mac iBook with Finale 2k5, Photoshop, Appleworks and Adobe Acrobat 4.0. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises http://members.aol.com/njrmuse Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
Nick, I had a similar problem with a document made on a Mac in MS Word (with eps clips of Finale files) and converted to pdfs. I had sent it to a friend who was unable to open the pdfs on a PC. The solutions was to save the Word document as a PostScript file and then use Acrobat Distiller to create pdfs from that. Then everything worked. This is surprising to me, since I had thought that a pdf was a pdf and pretty much universal. Chuck On Jul 4, 2006, at 1:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I have prepared a music book for printing and decided to do it off- site. I prepared all the music pages in Finale and converted them to pdf. Other pages such as the cover and table of contents, etc. were prepared using other programs, such as Photoshop, and also converted to pdf. Using Adobe Acrobat (v 4) I imported all the pages and assembled them into a pdf booklet. When I took them to Kinkos, they were unable to open the pdf document on their windows based system (I think they use Dell?). However, they were able to open up the book on a Mac they have on site. The Mac, however, is not networked so they cannot print from it. They can only print from the windows based system. The clerk there said he thinks that you have to specify a platform when you save the pdf document. This does not sound right to me. I thought Adove designed the pdf to be available on any platform for reading and printing regardless of the platform you create it on. Am I wrong or am I missing something basic here. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What am I doing wrong? I am using a mac iBook with Finale 2k5, Photoshop, Appleworks and Adobe Acrobat 4.0. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises http://members.aol.com/njrmuse __ __ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
On 4 Jul 2006 at 16:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I took them to Kinkos, they were unable to open the pdf document on their windows based system (I think they use Dell?). Dell has *nothing* to do with it, of course. The question is *why* they couldn't open it. My guess is that you didn't name your file with the PDF extension, and the Kinko's staff were too brain-dead stupid to know how to open a PDF that doesn't have the PDF extension. A file is a file. You should be able to tell Adobe Acrobat Reader to attempt to open any file, no matter what the format, and it should attempt it (and give an error message if it's not a PDF file). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
On Jul 4, 2006, at 4:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I have prepared a music book for printing and decided to do it off- site. I prepared all the music pages in Finale and converted them to pdf. Other pages such as the cover and table of contents, etc. were prepared using other programs, such as Photoshop, and also converted to pdf. Using Adobe Acrobat (v 4) I imported all the pages and assembled them into a pdf booklet. When I took them to Kinkos, they were unable to open the pdf document on their windows based system (I think they use Dell?). However, they were able to open up the book on a Mac they have on site. The Mac, however, is not networked so they cannot print from it. They can only print from the windows based system. The clerk there said he thinks that you have to specify a platform when you save the pdf document. This does not sound right to me. I thought Adove designed the pdf to be available on any platform for reading and printing regardless of the platform you create it on. Am I wrong or am I missing something basic here. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What am I doing wrong? I am using a mac iBook with Finale 2k5, Photoshop, Appleworks and Adobe Acrobat 4.0. The others' advice is probably good, but there is one other issue I found with a printshop. They had an older version of Adobe Reader that couldn't interpret my Mac OSX 10.3 PDFs correctly. They were fine on the latest version of Acrobat Reader. They were also running Windows 98, which I wasn't expecting either. christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
I double checked my file and it does have a pdf extension - which I would have expected since it was created using Adobe Acrobat. The version of Acrobat they were using was Acrobat 7 and I thought that may have something to do with it (since I am using v 4), however, older files (such as v 4) should be accessible by newer versions (just like Finale). I haven't tried saving the files, created in other programs, as EPS or postscript and then converting to pdf. I'll have to give that a try. It just seems odd to me. Once you have a file created in a particular format, as in pdf, it should behave as expected. But maybe I shouldn't be so picky! Thanks. I will try converting the ancillary files to postscript and converting them to pdf before adding them to the book. I wonder if I will have to do the same with the Finale files? I will let you know how I make out. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises http://members.aol.com/njrmuse -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:17:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Finale] pdf printing On Jul 4, 2006, at 4:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I have prepared a music book for printing and decided to do it off- site. I prepared all the music pages in Finale and converted them to pdf. Other pages such as the cover and table of contents, etc. were prepared using other programs, such as Photoshop, and also converted to pdf. Using Adobe Acrobat (v 4) I imported all the pages and assembled them into a pdf booklet. When I took them to Kinkos, they were unable to open the pdf document on their windows based system (I think they use Dell?). However, they were able to open up the book on a Mac they have on site. The Mac, however, is not networked so they cannot print from it. They can only print from the windows based system. The clerk there said he thinks that you have to specify a platform when you save the pdf document. This does not sound right to me. I thought Adove designed the pdf to be available on any platform for reading and printing regardless of the platform you create it on. Am I wrong or am I missing something basic here. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What am I doing wrong? I am using a mac iBook with Finale 2k5, Photoshop, Appleworks and Adobe Acrobat 4.0. The others' advice is probably good, but there is one other issue I found with a printshop. They had an older version of Adobe Reader that couldn't interpret my Mac OSX 10.3 PDFs correctly. They were fine on the latest version of Acrobat Reader. They were also running Windows 98, which I wasn't expecting either. christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
At 07:19 PM 7/4/06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I double checked my file and it does have a pdf extension - which I would have expected since it was created using Adobe Acrobat. Just last week, I had the same trouble opening the files created on a Mac. I was using Acrobat Reader. They did open in Ghostscript, and when re-saved from Ghostscript, they then opened correctly in Acrobat Reader. (The two looked very different in a hex editor.) This doesn't help you directly, but if they have Ghostscript available at Kinko's, your file can be opened, resaved, and opened normally after that for printing -- just an emergency method until someone has a real answer to this. Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ My blog: http://maltedmedia.com/bathory/waam-blog.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
On Jul 4, 2006, at 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I double checked my file and it does have a pdf extension - which I would have expected since it was created using Adobe Acrobat. The version of Acrobat they were using was Acrobat 7 and I thought that may have something to do with it (since I am using v 4), however, older files (such as v 4) should be accessible by newer versions (just like Finale). I haven't tried saving the files, created in other programs, as EPS or postscript and then converting to pdf. I'll have to give that a try. It just seems odd to me. Once you have a file created in a particular format, as in pdf, it should behave as expected. But maybe I shouldn't be so picky! Thanks. I will try converting the ancillary files to postscript and converting them to pdf before adding them to the book. I wonder if I will have to do the same with the Finale files? I will let you know how I make out. This method makes no sense to me either, but it worked in my case. Good luck. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf printing
On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I double checked my file and it does have a pdf extension - which I would have expected since it was created using Adobe Acrobat. The version of Acrobat they were using was Acrobat 7 and I thought that may have something to do with it (since I am using v 4), however, older files (such as v 4) should be accessible by newer versions (just like Finale). I haven't tried saving the files, created in other programs, as EPS or postscript and then converting to pdf. I'll have to give that a try. It just seems odd to me. Once you have a file created in a particular format, as in pdf, it should behave as expected. But maybe I shouldn't be so picky! Thanks. I will try converting the ancillary files to postscript and converting them to pdf before adding them to the book. I wonder if I will have to do the same with the Finale files? I will let you know how I make out. Nick, Here is a set of instructions that I got off this list when I was in OS9 using Acrobat 4. Any deviation from these instructions invariably left me with a PDF with problems of some sort. Man, was I glad to get to OS X and the built-in PDF writing! I don't know which, if any, of these steps will help you, but it might give you a starting point. Notice that the procedure involves distilling Postscript files as well, rather than creating PDFs directly. Christopher Creating PDFs in Finale OS9 with Acrobat 4. In the Chooser, select Adobe PS as the printer In Finale, select Postscript settings font inclusion All and Printer-Specific Settings resolution 1200 dpi. Print, but print to Destination: File. set Distiller to Press Optimised. It will remember this setting for next time. Drag the resulting .ps file from the print operation onto the Distiller icon or into the Distiller window. The PDF will be created in the same directory. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
This works just fine, but it's just another step... Is this just a bug that I have to use a workaround for? On 6/13/06 10:11 PM, Scot Hanna-Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brennon, Have you attempted printing a postscript file and then distilling instead? On 6/13/06, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for so many messages, but I thought it important to also note that this only occurs when I am printing from Finale. Attempts to print using these settings from any other programs run without a hitch. Thanks, Brennnon On 6/13/06 12:13 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. Thanks, Brennon On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print any Finale file as a PDF using the Press Quality PDF settings, Finale crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks again, Brennon -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
I suppose if it crashes the program it most certainly is...we should report. -Scot On 6/14/06, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This works just fine, but it's just another step... Is this just a bug that I have to use a workaround for? On 6/13/06 10:11 PM, Scot Hanna-Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brennon, Have you attempted printing a postscript file and then distilling instead? On 6/13/06, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for so many messages, but I thought it important to also note that this only occurs when I am printing from Finale. Attempts to print using these settings from any other programs run without a hitch. Thanks, Brennnon On 6/13/06 12:13 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. Thanks, Brennon On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print any Finale file as a PDF using the Press Quality PDF settings, Finale crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks again, Brennon -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
Title: Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. Thanks, Brennon On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print any Finale file as a PDF using the Press Quality PDF settings, Finale crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks again, Brennon -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
Title: Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems I apologize for so many messages, but I thought it important to also note that this only occurs when I am printing from Finale. Attempts to print using these settings from any other programs run without a hitch. Thanks, Brennnon On 6/13/06 12:13 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. Thanks, Brennon On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print any Finale file as a PDF using the Press Quality PDF settings, Finale crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks again, Brennon -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
Brennon, Have you attempted printing a postscript file and then distilling instead? On 6/13/06, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for so many messages, but I thought it important to also note that this only occurs when I am printing from Finale. Attempts to print using these settings from any other programs run without a hitch. Thanks, Brennnon On 6/13/06 12:13 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. Thanks, Brennon On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print any Finale file as a PDF using the Press Quality PDF settings, Finale crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks again, Brennon -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:25:33 +0200, Michael Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The problem with the missing middle slash of the tremolo is due to a fault in the Maestro font. If you open the font in a font editor you can see that there are in fact three copies of the middle slash superimposed. This mostly goes unnoticed, but will be seen when printing with recent versions on Acrobat. Note that it makes no difference which version you use to create the file: the defect is in fact always there, but only shows up when printed through Acrobat 6 or 7. This was discussed on the MakeMusic forums: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5m=145572 and I am still wondering why MakeMusic doesn't release a corrected version of the font. Surely it can't be that hard to edit this one character by removing two redundant copies of the middle slash? I called the publishers today, and it really did seem to present them problems working around it at late notice. I've just ended up editing the articulation to make it a shape instead, composed of single tremolo symbols stacked. This worked a treat, and took a couple of minutes. As I'd already arranged with them to email something else direct to an orchestral librarian in a few days, I'm going to have to do the same thing with that work. It's interesting how what might seem like a small matter presents such big problems. In the piece concerned, I was using a lot of double and single line tremolo markings. It shatters my confidence in using pdfs with finale at the moment, frankly. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
The problem with the missing middle slash of the tremolo is due to a fault in the Maestro font. If you open the font in a font editor you can see that there are in fact three copies of the middle slash superimposed. This mostly goes unnoticed, but will be seen when printing with recent versions on Acrobat. Note that it makes no difference which version you use to create the file: the defect is in fact always there, but only shows up when printed through Acrobat 6 or 7. This was discussed on the MakeMusic forums: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5m=145572 and I am still wondering why MakeMusic doesn't release a corrected version of the font. Surely it can't be that hard to edit this one character by removing two redundant copies of the middle slash? Michael Cook On 23 Apr 2006, at 04:20, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: All of these printing problems happen with me as well, from my publishers and from other printing places - both the missing middle of the tremolo and the substituting of whole bar rests with semiquaver rests - very embarrassing when you have the music in front of professional orchestral players and they're all complaining to you about it. Taking a look at the Maestro font itself, there are a couple of superfluous points on the top bar of the tremolo sign - maybe that has something to do with it though I can't see how. My PDF files were created on a Mac, and were printing from Windows (from what they told me). All looked fine on the screen both on my end and on the screen of where they were being printed. The solution was to upgrade the version of Acrobat to the most recent version - problem solved. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
I just received a copy of a score from my publishers this morning, and noticed that two and three line tremolo markings (originally using Maestro) haven't printed correctly. The two line tremolo only has one line, and the three line tremolo, two- the middle one 'missing' so it looks a little odd. I can't replicate this problem on print outs at home- the pdfs look and print absolutely fine. I created the pdfs through the built in pdf generator in OS X (10.4.6). Everything else in the print out is fine. I'm using Finale 2005. I was struck by a similar oddity over a year ago, and since then, haven't had any problems. I'd assumed things were OK, but this is a little alarming- just wondering if anyone else had noticed this? Thanks, David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
Hi David, I have the same problem when printing with a Xerox DocuPrint N2825 printer. My workaround is to use the petrucci tremolo symbols. I'm using WinFin 2006 and PDFs also look fine. Best wishes, Bettina. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von David Horne Gesendet: Samstag, 22. April 2006 11:22 An: finale@shsu.edu Betreff: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again) I just received a copy of a score from my publishers this morning, and noticed that two and three line tremolo markings (originally using Maestro) haven't printed correctly. The two line tremolo only has one line, and the three line tremolo, two- the middle one 'missing' so it looks a little odd. I can't replicate this problem on print outs at home- the pdfs look and print absolutely fine. I created the pdfs through the built in pdf generator in OS X (10.4.6). Everything else in the print out is fine. I'm using Finale 2005. I was struck by a similar oddity over a year ago, and since then, haven't had any problems. I'd assumed things were OK, but this is a little alarming- just wondering if anyone else had noticed this? Thanks, David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
On 22.04.2006 David Horne wrote: I just received a copy of a score from my publishers this morning, and noticed that two and three line tremolo markings (originally using Maestro) haven't printed correctly. The two line tremolo only has one line, and the three line tremolo, two- the middle one 'missing' so it looks a little odd. I can't replicate this problem on print outs at home- the pdfs look and print absolutely fine. I created the pdfs through the built in pdf generator in OS X (10.4.6). Everything else in the print out is fine. I'm using Finale 2005. I was struck by a similar oddity over a year ago, and since then, haven't had any problems. I'd assumed things were OK, but this is a little alarming- just wondering if anyone else had noticed this? As far as I remember there is a problem which MakeMusic blames on Acrobat Reader version 5. I think later versions of Reader might be ok. You could try to save your Finale file as a PS file (from the print dialog), and then open that PS file in Preview. From there you can save it as PDF. It's possible that this will prevent the problem. When I experienced similar problems I was able to solve them using PStill. Since I use PStill on all my PDFs (as a print dialog plugin). Occasionally, when EPS graphics are involved, I save as PS file first, and then send this through PStill. This gives me high accuracy PDFs which take much less space than the ones Apple produces. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:25:43 +0200, Bettina Crimmins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi David, I have the same problem when printing with a Xerox DocuPrint N2825 printer. My workaround is to use the petrucci tremolo symbols. I'm using WinFin 2006 and PDFs also look fine. Best wishes, Bettina. Hi Bettina, Thanks! Apologies if this had been mentioned before- I haven't read the list for a while. I certainly prefer the look of the tremolo shapes in maestro. I suppose one alternative might be to recreate the two and three line tremolo using the single line character to create the required shapes? It hasn't been a problem with other recent pieces I've sent them- the randomness of this (and my inability to check myself) is a bit frustrating. David. I just received a copy of a score from my publishers this morning, and noticed that two and three line tremolo markings (originally using Maestro) haven't printed correctly. The two line tremolo only has one line, and the three line tremolo, two- the middle one 'missing' so it looks a little odd. I can't replicate this problem on print outs at home- the pdfs look and print absolutely fine. I created the pdfs through the built in pdf generator in OS X (10.4.6). Everything else in the print out is fine. I'm using Finale 2005. I was struck by a similar oddity over a year ago, and since then, haven't had any problems. I'd assumed things were OK, but this is a little alarming- just wondering if anyone else had noticed this? Thanks, David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
At 12:25 PM 4/22/06 +0200, Bettina Crimmins wrote: I have the same problem when printing with a Xerox DocuPrint N2825 printer. My workaround is to use the petrucci tremolo symbols. I'm using WinFin 2006 and PDFs also look fine. I have the lost-character problem occasionally as well. The last occurrence was also a Xerox, but at a copy shop, where two out of four of my quarter-tone symbols were printed as little triangles. They displayed correctly at the shop and printed fine on letter-size paper, but did not print on tabloid (11x17) paper (for creating a saddle-stitched score). They display and print fine on all four printers here in the house (Xerox, Canon and Epson letter size and HP tabloid size in booklet-creation mode). In the above scenario, it seems to be related to the printer driver, but does anybody know? Is this an issue of PDF creator, PDF viewer, printer driver, system resources, font characters? I always thought of PDF as a format I could count on. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:54:26 +0200, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 22.04.2006 David Horne wrote: I just received a copy of a score from my publishers this morning, and noticed that two and three line tremolo markings (originally using Maestro) haven't printed correctly. The two line tremolo only has one line, and the three line tremolo, two- the middle one 'missing' so it looks a little odd. I can't replicate this problem on print outs at home- the pdfs look and print absolutely fine. I created the pdfs through the built in pdf generator in OS X (10.4.6). Everything else in the print out is fine. I'm using Finale 2005. I was struck by a similar oddity over a year ago, and since then, haven't had any problems. I'd assumed things were OK, but this is a little alarming- just wondering if anyone else had noticed this? As far as I remember there is a problem which MakeMusic blames on Acrobat Reader version 5. I think later versions of Reader might be ok. You could try to save your Finale file as a PS file (from the print dialog), and then open that PS file in Preview. From there you can save it as PDF. It's possible that this will prevent the problem. You know, I seem to remember you suggesting that last time, and BH told me that the solution worked. Unfortunately, a lack of recent problems probably gave me a false sense of security! Serves me right. I'll find out on Monday when BH are open how it was printed exactly. I'm certainly not the only person sending them mac-generated PDFs. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
On Apr 22, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I have the lost-character problem occasionally as well. The last occurrence was also a Xerox, but at a copy shop, where two out of four of my quarter-tone symbols were printed as little triangles. They displayed correctly at the shop and printed fine on letter-size paper, but did not print on tabloid (11x17) paper (for creating a saddle-stitched score). They display and print fine on all four printers here in the house (Xerox, Canon and Epson letter size and HP tabloid size in booklet-creation mode). In the above scenario, it seems to be related to the printer driver, but does anybody know? Is this an issue of PDF creator, PDF viewer, printer driver, system resources, font characters? I always thought of PDF as a format I could count on. This happened to me once when I sent PDFs to a client who printed them at his local print shop. Certain characters got substituted with Courier versions, which of course looks ridiculous in an instrumental part! (Sixteenth rests and default whole rests, but not manually-entered whole rests, go figure!) Apparently it was related to the ancient version of Windows the print shop was running on, Windows 98, I think it was. I have never had a problem with Mac versions (so far!) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
At 09:25 AM 4/22/06 -0400, Christopher Smith wrote: Apparently it was related to the ancient version of Windows the print shop was running on, Windows 98, I think it was. This shop uses Linux for everything except the front end. Since the printers are on the Linux network, maybe that's it. Or not. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again)
I recently had a similar situation where a client attempted to print out parts with the maestro tremolo symbols, and the middle slash appeared in outline only. I too have personally come across the problem a few times (from various versions of Finale and different machines), and like Bettina, have a Xerox DocuPrint N2825. The other printers we have print the symbol without problem and all of course displays well on screen. The error occurred at all print sizes. As it was a re-occurring problem from a variety of setups, and I was aware it had happened to others, I had always put it down to the font character, but it may have been another issue at play. But what else is common to all of us? Are we all having the issue while printing to PDF using maestro? Were all of the printers we had the error on postscript? Anyway - my workaround was also to substitute the maestro tremolo for another font. Cheers, Angela -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 9:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] finale pdf printing problem (again) At 12:25 PM 4/22/06 +0200, Bettina Crimmins wrote: I have the same problem when printing with a Xerox DocuPrint N2825 printer. My workaround is to use the petrucci tremolo symbols. I'm using WinFin 2006 and PDFs also look fine. I have the lost-character problem occasionally as well. The last occurrence was also a Xerox, but at a copy shop, where two out of four of my quarter-tone symbols were printed as little triangles. They displayed correctly at the shop and printed fine on letter-size paper, but did not print on tabloid (11x17) paper (for creating a saddle-stitched score). They display and print fine on all four printers here in the house (Xerox, Canon and Epson letter size and HP tabloid size in booklet-creation mode). In the above scenario, it seems to be related to the printer driver, but does anybody know? Is this an issue of PDF creator, PDF viewer, printer driver, system resources, font characters? I always thought of PDF as a format I could count on. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
