Re: [Finale] Default file with Wizard

[Lawrence Yates]

Yes, thanks, done all that - I've changed every default file I can find but
the wizard still seems to take it from somewhere else - not a clue where.

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> On 6/21/2019 9:39 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> > At least on Mac, the setup wizard uses whichever document style you
> choose.
> > Edit the one you are choosing. (Document styles are not the same as the
> > Maestro Default file.) I can't swear it always uses the page size in the
> > style doc, though. I created a document style of my own, and it
> definitely
> > uses the page size in that when I do Custom layouts with the wizard.
> (Which
> > is almost all the time how I start.) If something is overriding the page
> > size, I would expect it to be in Configuration Files somewhere (like
> > "ensembles.txt"). But I don't see page size anywhere in there.
> >
>
> I was always under the impression that we had to edit the Maestro
> Default file, changing whatever we wanted to, adding whichever libraries
> we wanted to, then saving it to the same location with the same name,
> overwriting the original (it's good to save a copy of that somewhere
> before you edit it so you can revert to it if you wish.)
>
> At least that was how it was in the olden times before the Wizard was
> introduced.
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Re: [Finale] Default file with Wizard

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/21/2019 9:39 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

At least on Mac, the setup wizard uses whichever document style you choose.
Edit the one you are choosing. (Document styles are not the same as the
Maestro Default file.) I can't swear it always uses the page size in the
style doc, though. I created a document style of my own, and it definitely
uses the page size in that when I do Custom layouts with the wizard. (Which
is almost all the time how I start.) If something is overriding the page
size, I would expect it to be in Configuration Files somewhere (like
"ensembles.txt"). But I don't see page size anywhere in there.



I was always under the impression that we had to edit the Maestro 
Default file, changing whatever we wanted to, adding whichever libraries 
we wanted to, then saving it to the same location with the same name, 
overwriting the original (it's good to save a copy of that somewhere 
before you edit it so you can revert to it if you wish.)


At least that was how it was in the olden times before the Wizard was 
introduced.





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Re: [Finale] Default file with Wizard

[Robert Patterson]

At least on Mac, the setup wizard uses whichever document style you choose.
Edit the one you are choosing. (Document styles are not the same as the
Maestro Default file.) I can't swear it always uses the page size in the
style doc, though. I created a document style of my own, and it definitely
uses the page size in that when I do Custom layouts with the wizard. (Which
is almost all the time how I start.) If something is overriding the page
size, I would expect it to be in Configuration Files somewhere (like
"ensembles.txt"). But I don't see page size anywhere in there.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:21 AM Lawrence Yates 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks, I've changed that but the Wizard seems to use a different file as
> the default.
>
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> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 14:05, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I believe you can modify the document style file(s) to change the default
> > page size(s). On Mac the template files are in
> >
> > ~/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 26/Music Files/Document
> > Styles
> >
> > They are someplace comparable on Windows, but I don't remember exactly
> the
> > folder path.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:28 AM Lawrence Yates 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, can somebody please tell me how to change the default to A4 rather
> > than
> > > Letter on new files created with the wizard.  I've tried everything I
> can
> > > think of and am getting nowhere.
> > >
> > > I know how to do it when creating new files without the wizard, it's
> just
> > > the wizard version that I need to change to A4 default.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Lawrence
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Finale] Default file with Wizard

[Lawrence Yates]

Hi,

thanks, I've changed that but the Wizard seems to use a different file as
the default.


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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 14:05, Robert Patterson 
wrote:

> I believe you can modify the document style file(s) to change the default
> page size(s). On Mac the template files are in
>
> ~/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 26/Music Files/Document
> Styles
>
> They are someplace comparable on Windows, but I don't remember exactly the
> folder path.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:28 AM Lawrence Yates 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, can somebody please tell me how to change the default to A4 rather
> than
> > Letter on new files created with the wizard.  I've tried everything I can
> > think of and am getting nowhere.
> >
> > I know how to do it when creating new files without the wizard, it's just
> > the wizard version that I need to change to A4 default.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Finale] Default file with Wizard

[Robert Patterson]

I believe you can modify the document style file(s) to change the default
page size(s). On Mac the template files are in

~/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 26/Music Files/Document
Styles

They are someplace comparable on Windows, but I don't remember exactly the
folder path.



On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:28 AM Lawrence Yates 
wrote:

> Hi, can somebody please tell me how to change the default to A4 rather than
> Letter on new files created with the wizard.  I've tried everything I can
> think of and am getting nowhere.
>
> I know how to do it when creating new files without the wizard, it's just
> the wizard version that I need to change to A4 default.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [Finale] default file

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, January 8, 2011 5:37 pm, Steve Parker wrote:
> What I really want is everything available all the time!

You can pretty much have it. Create a document, add libraries, expressions,
etc., set it up to your taste for tuplets, page numbers, measure numbers,
orchestration, virtual instruments, default music font, and so on. Save it as
your default document.

You don't have to do everything right away. As you develop documents from that
default, you can use the Patterson plug-in "settings scrapbook" to copy over
settings for curves, staff lines, stems, beams, etc., from things that look
good or work well:
 

Then save it anew with a new name and make it your new default. (I do so many
different setups that I don't have a 'wizard' for my stuff as others do ...
it's all one default document.)

Dennis



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Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] default file

[Steve Parker]

Thanks Chris and Noel!

I moved to Finale a couple of years ago from being a long time beta  
tester for a now defunct program.
I hit the ground running but I'm doing far too much over and over  
again...
I've created a document with my 'house' style and all the other things  
I change.

I've saved it as my default, as a document style and as a template.
I'm just beginning to understand when I should use each of these.

I'm still under par as far as expression libraries etc.
What I really want is everything available all the time!

Getting there..

Steve P.

On 8 Jan 2011, at 18:43, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:


Steve Parker wrote:



This is a pretty basic question on my part..

Do most start from a 'new default' document then add the title info  
and

instruments after?


I generally use templates I've created myself, containing my  
preferences for fonts, and the expressions and articulations I need.  
If I'm doing a new score which calls for forces I've used before, I  
start with one of my templates. On the other hand, when I'm doing a  
work for which I don't yet have a template, a take a few minutes and  
create one, although I don't start from a "new default" document, I  
start from a "document without libraries".


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Re: [Finale] default file

[Christopher Smith]

I put my favourite default files in the Component Files folder, then they show 
up when I use the Setup Wizard as a style.

Christopher


On Sat Jan 8, at SaturdayJan 8 12:04 PM, Steve Parker wrote:

>> If you make this change to your default file, it will always be there.
> 
> This is a pretty basic question on my part..
> 
> Do most start from a 'new default' document then add the title info and 
> instruments after?
> 
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{Spam} Re: [Finale] default file

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Steve Parker wrote:



This is a pretty basic question on my part..

Do most start from a 'new default' document then add the title info and
instruments after?


I generally use templates I've created myself, containing my preferences 
for fonts, and the expressions and articulations I need. If I'm doing a 
new score which calls for forces I've used before, I start with one of 
my templates. On the other hand, when I'm doing a work for which I don't 
yet have a template, a take a few minutes and create one, although I 
don't start from a "new default" document, I start from a "document 
without libraries".


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Re: [Finale] default file issues

[Christopher Smith]

On Jul 21, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:


Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I have several text expressions from a previous work, that have  
apparently been saved,  that I want to omit from the template.  .   
I delete the extra expressions but the next time  I OPEN a new  
document, I still see those old text expressions.  Obviously, I am  
making a mistake somewhere along the linebut I can't figure it  
out so far.


I want Finale to:  OPEN a Default Document using my template...the  
one with the extra expressions deleted.  How do I do it?


Suggestions?
Well, one thing missing from your narrative describing the problem  
is mention of saving the changed template file after deleting the  
extra expressions, but based upon my recollection of dealing with a  
similar problem some years (and versions) back, I'm not sure this  
would solve your problem. As I recall when I experienced the issue,  
the way I solved it was to open a new "empty document"/"document  
without libraries" (different names for the same thing; the name  
was changed at some point along the line), and load in the text  
expression libraries one at a time (and there are several, in  
different font types), examining each library until you find the  
library containing the unwanted expressions. Delete the expressions  
from that library, and save the library with the same name (I'll  
leave it to you to decide whether to keep a back-up copy of the  
library with the extra expressions, or not).


When you have done this, you should not see the extra expressions  
when you load the template file.


I don't remember seeing the original message, but the way templates  
work differs starting in 2007, then changes again in 2008, and is  
slightly different between Mac and PC, so can you specify? Certain  
things show up, certain others don't etc...


I remember being baffled that I couldn't get my page margins to stick  
in extracted parts in pre 2007 versions, until I was told that page  
margins in extracted parts are NOT part of the default file settings!


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] default file issues

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I have several text expressions from a previous work, that have 
apparently been saved,  that I want to omit from the template.  .  I 
delete the extra expressions but the next time  I OPEN a new document, 
I still see those old text expressions.  Obviously, I am making a 
mistake somewhere along the linebut I can't figure it out so far.


I want Finale to:  OPEN a Default Document using my template...the one 
with the extra expressions deleted.  How do I do it?


Suggestions? 
Well, one thing missing from your narrative describing the problem is 
mention of saving the changed template file after deleting the extra 
expressions, but based upon my recollection of dealing with a similar 
problem some years (and versions) back, I'm not sure this would solve 
your problem. As I recall when I experienced the issue, the way I solved 
it was to open a new "empty document"/"document without libraries" 
(different names for the same thing; the name was changed at some point 
along the line), and load in the text expression libraries one at a time 
(and there are several, in different font types), examining each library 
until you find the library containing the unwanted expressions. Delete 
the expressions from that library, and save the library with the same 
name (I'll leave it to you to decide whether to keep a back-up copy of 
the library with the extra expressions, or not).


When you have done this, you should not see the extra expressions when 
you load the template file.

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Re: [Finale] default file issues

[Cecil Rigby]

I would open the template, delete the unwanted expressions, and then save a new 
expression library with a name I'd recognize for the default template.
Then reopen the default template, load the new library, and save the file as a 
new template.

then I'd either delete the old template and rename the new one to the old name, 
or relink the default document to the file with the new name.

but I'm in 2006b, so it might be a different set of steps for you-

BTW, I'm ALMOST decided to upgrade to 09- and as someone else said, if I do 
I'll keep using the older version(s) until I'm satisfied with the new (to me) 
features, like linked scores, etc.

-Cecil Rigby
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lawrence David Eden 
  To: FinaleList 
  Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:14 AM
  Subject: [Finale] default file issues


  Dear Listers,

  I have a template set-up that I use to start most of my new documents 
  (FinMac 2K4).
  I have this template saved as my Finale Default File.

  Here is the problem:

  I have several text expressions from a previous work, that have 
  apparently been saved,  that I want to omit from the template.  .  I 
  delete the extra expressions but the next time  I OPEN a new 
  document, I still see those old text expressions.  Obviously, I am 
  making a mistake somewhere along the linebut I can't figure it 
  out so far.

  I want Finale to:  OPEN a Default Document using my template...the 
  one with the extra expressions deleted.  How do I do it?

  Suggestions?
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Re: [Finale] Default File

[YATESLAWRENCE]

Thanks to all - found it in "components" as suggested.
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence
 
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RE: [Finale] Default File

[Richard Yates]

Lawrence, 

Go to 'Program Options - New', to see where the default file is and what it
is named. Save changes there using the same name (use the .FTM suffix).

Cousin Richard

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>Subject: [Finale] Default File
>
>Hi all,
> 
>I am using WinFin2006c
> 
>I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line 
>width) for  the default file which opens every time I create a 
>new file with the file  wizard.
> 
>I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)
> 
>If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  
>The  programme options would suggest that it's in the general 
>templates, but I can't  find it listed.
> 
>I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am 
>getting nowhere  fast this afternoon!
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Lawrence
> 
>lawrenceyates.co.uk
>
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Re: [Finale] Default File

[Cecil Rigby]

I found mine in the Components folder

-Cecil Rigby
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  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:29 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Default File


  Hi all,
   
  I am using WinFin2006c
   
  I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line width) for  the 
  default file which opens every time I create a new file with the file  wizard.
   
  I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)
   
  If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  The  programme 
  options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I can't  find 
it 
  listed.
   
  I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting nowhere  fast 
  this afternoon!
   
  Thanks,
   
  Lawrence
   
  lawrenceyates.co.uk



 
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Re: [Finale] Default File

[Christopher Smith]

Lawrence,

It's in the Component Files folder. This is the file that the program  
reads when you use the Setup Wizard.


Version 2008 allows you to use ANY file as a default, which is very  
nice indeed! Except that I keep getting corrupted files when I use  
it. 8-(


Christopher


On 31-Jan-08, at 10:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,

I am using WinFin2006c

I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line  
width) for  the
default file which opens every time I create a new file with the  
file  wizard.


I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)

If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  The   
programme
options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I  
can't  find it

listed.

I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting  
nowhere  fast

this afternoon!

Thanks,

Lawrence

lawrenceyates.co.uk


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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Andrew Stiller]

Not as terrible as having a file with an inaccurate name!

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/


On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Aaron,

Hmm... I'd never noticed that possibility in Program Options. That's a 
*terrible* and totally nonstandard interface for that action -- you 
have to type the name of the file, instead of selecting it in a dialog 
box.


Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 12 Sep 2006, at 5:07 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 04:16 PM 9/12/2006, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Not true on Mac. No matter what font you actually use in the file, 
you

>must call it "Maestro Font Default."

Sorry, I haven't been reading the entire thread -- but this is only 
true if you're using the Wizard. (Which, admittedly, most people do.) 
If you do File | New | Default Document, you get a copy of whatever 
is specified as the default file in Program Options.


Aaron.




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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Christopher Smith]

On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 04:16 PM 9/12/2006, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Not true on Mac. No matter what font you actually use in the file,  
you

>must call it "Maestro Font Default."

Sorry, I haven't been reading the entire thread -- but this is only  
true if you're using the Wizard.


Or if you are importing MIDI files.

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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Darcy James Argue]

Aaron,

Hmm... I'd never noticed that possibility in Program Options. That's  
a *terrible* and totally nonstandard interface for that action -- you  
have to type the name of the file, instead of selecting it in a  
dialog box.


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On 12 Sep 2006, at 5:07 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 04:16 PM 9/12/2006, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Not true on Mac. No matter what font you actually use in the file,  
you

>must call it "Maestro Font Default."

Sorry, I haven't been reading the entire thread -- but this is only  
true if you're using the Wizard. (Which, admittedly, most people  
do.) If you do File | New | Default Document, you get a copy of  
whatever is specified as the default file in Program Options.


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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Aaron Sherber]

At 04:16 PM 9/12/2006, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Not true on Mac. No matter what font you actually use in the file, you
>must call it "Maestro Font Default."

Sorry, I haven't been reading the entire thread -- but this is only 
true if you're using the Wizard. (Which, admittedly, most people do.) 
If you do File | New | Default Document, you get a copy of whatever 
is specified as the default file in Program Options.


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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Darcy James Argue]

Not true on Mac. No matter what font you actually use in the file, you must call it "Maestro Font Default."Cheers, - Darcy-[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://secretsociety.typepad.comBrooklyn, NY On 12 Sep 2006, at 4:06 PM, Bernard Nussbaumer wrote:You may use Maestro font or not.And you may choose whatever file you wish as "Default File" (since ... a long time).Document Options (Options Menu, or Edit Menu in Fin2k7), New. No necessity to call the file "Maestro Default File". Bernard2006/9/12, Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: When I went up to 2K4, I found  the prospect of rebuilding  my defaultfile so daunting that I just didn't use it, but rather used existingfiles as templates: I would copy a score, clear everything from thecopy, then enter the new piece in its place. Really, tho, the straw that broke this camel's back was that thedefault file had to be called "Maestro default file" even if, as is thecase, I don't use the Maestro font. Has this absurdity, at least, been fixed in 2K7?Andrew StillerKallisti Music Presshttp://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/___Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___
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[Bernard Nussbaumer]

You may use Maestro font or not.And you may choose whatever file you wish as "Default File" (since ... a long time).Document Options (Options Menu, or Edit Menu in Fin2k7), New. No necessity to call the file "Maestro Default File".
Bernard2006/9/12, Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
When I went up to 2K4, I found  the prospect of rebuilding  my defaultfile so daunting that I just didn't use it, but rather used existingfiles as templates: I would copy a score, clear everything from thecopy, then enter the new piece in its place.
Really, tho, the straw that broke this camel's back was that thedefault file had to be called "Maestro default file" even if, as is thecase, I don't use the Maestro font. Has this absurdity, at least, been
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[Andrew Stiller]

When I went up to 2K4, I found  the prospect of rebuilding  my default 
file so daunting that I just didn't use it, but rather used existing 
files as templates: I would copy a score, clear everything from the 
copy, then enter the new piece in its place.


Really, tho, the straw that broke this camel's back was that the 
default file had to be called "Maestro default file" even if, as is the 
case, I don't use the Maestro font. Has this absurdity, at least, been 
fixed in 2K7?


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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Robert Patterson]

I have not rebuilt my default file since I switched to Maestro Font as 
the default music font, c. Fin2k. Since then I have upgraded it to each 
new version without any significant issues.


Rebuilding from scratch is tedious work that I refuse to contemplate 
doing. ymmv.


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Re: [Finale] Default file

[David W. Fenton]

On 11 Sep 2006 at 11:10, Chuck Israels wrote:

> I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades.  I don't 
> know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things 
> that way in the last couple of transitions.  Perhaps Hiro and I are 
> overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work.

I've never done it but I've encountered all sorts of weird problems 
in files based on old templates.

What I do is leave the default template alone and start new pieces 
from it, then use that file as the template for further files in the 
same genre.

The old files that have been upgraded several times often have quite 
a few weird problems that can't be reproduced by other Finale users 
on this list. I would expect that upgrading the default file (rather 
than recreating it) would cause the same kind of problems.

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Re: [Finale] Default file

[A-NO-NE Music]

Christopher Smith / 2006/09/11 / 02:16 PM wrote:

>Maybe you got the idea from me, as I have reported corruption problems 
>on older files imported into newer versions of Finale (Mac version.) 

It not only that.  I had been using old default files too long, and I
didn't know what I had been missing until I tried the new Maestro file. 
A lot of things are getting updated.

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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Chuck Israels]

On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:



On Sep 11, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Hi Dennis,

I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades.  I  
don't know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to  
do things that way in the last couple of transitions.  Perhaps  
Hiro and I are overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work.




Maybe you got the idea from me, as I have reported corruption  
problems on older files imported into newer versions of Finale (Mac  
version.) Maybe it has nothing to do with Finale, or Mac, and I  
just live in a high sunspot area or something...


Christopher




Could be.  When I get ideas from you, they are invariably good ones :-)

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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Christopher Smith]

On Sep 11, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Hi Dennis,

I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades.  I don't 
know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things 
that way in the last couple of transitions.  Perhaps Hiro and I are 
overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work.




Maybe you got the idea from me, as I have reported corruption problems 
on older files imported into newer versions of Finale (Mac version.) 
Maybe it has nothing to do with Finale, or Mac, and I just live in a 
high sunspot area or something...


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[Chuck Israels]

Hi Dennis,

I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades.  I don't  
know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things  
that way in the last couple of transitions.  Perhaps Hiro and I are  
overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work.


Anyone else weighing in on this?

I tried to import my stem settings form 2006 into 2007 by taking a  
staff from a 2006 template that has the correct settings (and  
maintains them when that template is opened in 2007), and copying  
everything in that staff into a new staff in my 2007 default file,  
but the coping process did not retain the stem settings.  I'm trying  
to figure out a workaround for this problem so that I can get the  
settings I like (stems at the cross point of an x note head), into a  
new 2007 template, so far, without success.


Chuck

On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:


At 01:28 PM 9/11/06 -0400, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

Chuck Israels / 2006/09/11 / 01:16 PM wrote:


Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process.


It is hard to imagine majority of Finale user is patient
as you are, yet I don't recall complaint about this on this list.


I don't have 2007, but my default files have come up through various
generations of Finale though 2006. Does the new Finale setup make this
impossible? I can hardly imaging starting years of work from  
scratch. I
don't even know what all the tweaked settings are anymore -- there  
must be

thousands, including all the libraries!

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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 01:28 PM 9/11/06 -0400, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
>Chuck Israels / 2006/09/11 / 01:16 PM wrote:
>
>>Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process.
>
>It is hard to imagine majority of Finale user is patient
>as you are, yet I don't recall complaint about this on this list.

I don't have 2007, but my default files have come up through various
generations of Finale though 2006. Does the new Finale setup make this
impossible? I can hardly imaging starting years of work from scratch. I
don't even know what all the tweaked settings are anymore -- there must be
thousands, including all the libraries!

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[A-NO-NE Music]

Chuck Israels / 2006/09/11 / 01:16 PM wrote:

>Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process.

Thanks Chuck.  It is hard to imagine majority of Finale user is patient
as you are, yet I don't recall complaint about this on this list.

Page format lib doesn't retain anything I need, and it just occurred to
me that I really don't know what page format lib is.  Does anyone know?

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Re: [Finale] Default file

[Eric Dannewitz]

Funny, I just did this with my Default file. Here is what I did.

I loaded Finale on two computers, On one I had my old default file 
loaded, and the other the new default (2007's installed file) loaded. I 
then went through and changed the articulations, slurs, and some other 
things I saw that looked better. I didn't have to touch the chords. It 
was that much.


A-NO-NE Music wrote:

I'd like to ask what you do with the default file when version switches.

I have so many custom lib, articulation, chords (I hate how Finale
spells chord - Very difficult to site-read), page format, just about
everything.  Since my daily use of Finale is for my own composition,
this really matters to me.  I also want to have my students consistent
with my format.

I have been using the same default file I created years ago but last
year I learned from this list that it is a bad idea, which makes sense
since Fin file format changes drastically over version upgrade.  Moving
to 2007, I am trying to modify Maestro default file but it hasn't been easy.

There must be a better way:
For both articulation and chord, I must create a bogus object so I can
click to open the dialog.  From there, I must delete all the entries
then load the lib files.  For chords, on top of this, inconsistently
MIDI learned chords get messed up and I won't see it until I hit the
chord and saw wrong chord symbol was attached.

To do page format on > p2, I have to create 2nd page on the Maestro file
then delete it after I finish formatting.  Is there any other way?

And I wish if File Info data sticks in the default file so new file
inherit them.

  


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[Chuck Israels]

Dear Hiro,

I don't know any other way to do this.  I spend some time making the  
default file in the new version conform to my older one more or less  
as you describe the process.  There are still at least 2 bugs in the  
Mac version that prevent me from achieving all I want in this regard:  
Stem Connections are not available in 2007 (MM acknowledges this and  
says they will repair it), and Document Options Library will not  
retain font selections (also acknowledged by MM).


I have gotten around the font problem by taking the time to set the  
fonts in each of my templates, and I think it may be possible to get  
the stem connections to work by importing a staff that has them from  
a 2006 document.  I'm going to try this when I have some time.


Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process.

Chuck


On Sep 11, 2006, at 9:58 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:



I'd like to ask what you do with the default file when version  
switches.


I have so many custom lib, articulation, chords (I hate how Finale
spells chord - Very difficult to site-read), page format, just about
everything.  Since my daily use of Finale is for my own composition,
this really matters to me.  I also want to have my students consistent
with my format.

I have been using the same default file I created years ago but last
year I learned from this list that it is a bad idea, which makes sense
since Fin file format changes drastically over version upgrade.   
Moving
to 2007, I am trying to modify Maestro default file but it hasn't  
been easy.


There must be a better way:
For both articulation and chord, I must create a bogus object so I can
click to open the dialog.  From there, I must delete all the entries
then load the lib files.  For chords, on top of this, inconsistently
MIDI learned chords get messed up and I won't see it until I hit the
chord and saw wrong chord symbol was attached.

To do page format on > p2, I have to create 2nd page on the Maestro  
file

then delete it after I finish formatting.  Is there any other way?

And I wish if File Info data sticks in the default file so new file
inherit them.

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Re: [Finale] Default File(s) + Setup Wizard

[Darcy James Argue]

Hey Johannes,

Good tip. I found that you can also add the "distance between  
systems" to the system margins and set the system margins to zero,  
but that has its own set of drawbacks.


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On 08 Feb 2006, at 10:08 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:


On 08.02.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote:
So... am I correct in thinking the Setup Wizard automatically  
forces a "Space Systems Evenly" operation?


I believe it does do that. There is one way to avoid this: Set up  
your default file with only one measure. That way, when you go  
through the Setup Wizard, since there will be only one resulting  
system, the Space Systems Evenly operation will not have any  
effect. I have had my default file set up this way for years and  
much prefer this to having a page full of measures to begin with.


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Re: [Finale] Default File(s) + Setup Wizard

[Johannes Gebauer]

PS:

I very much agree with you that the Setup wizard and the Page format for 
parts is handled very badly in conjunction. I cannot tell you how many 
times I have printed out parts at too small magnifications, just because 
the wizard overwrites the system reduction with the one from the page 
format for score. I don't experience the problems with margins so much, 
since I use the same margins for scores and parts, and I don't have 
extra left margin space for scores (European publishers do not do that).


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Re: [Finale] Default File(s) + Setup Wizard

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 08.02.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote:

So... am I correct in thinking the Setup Wizard automatically forces a "Space 
Systems Evenly" operation?


I believe it does do that. There is one way to avoid this: Set up your 
default file with only one measure. That way, when you go through the 
Setup Wizard, since there will be only one resulting system, the Space 
Systems Evenly operation will not have any effect. I have had my default 
file set up this way for years and much prefer this to having a page 
full of measures to begin with.


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RE: [Finale] Default File(s) + Setup Wizard

[Fisher, Allen]

Darcy--
>>So... am I correct in thinking the Setup Wizard automatically forces  
a "Space Systems Evenly" operation?<<

Yes.

>>I don't suppose there's any way to override this behavior?<<

This behavior is a new one on me. I'd send a report into macsupport. I
think what is happening is that the page format for parts data is being
overwritten with the PF for Score data. It's early for me and I haven't
had my caffinated beverage yet so I may be wrong about that.

In answer to your other question, the list of abbreviations:

i (or nothing) = inches
c = centimeters
e or ev = EVPU
m = milimeters

If you have questions about others, let me know and I can tell you.

Allen


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Hello all,

I'm currently trying to untangle the mysteries of exactly how the  
settings in your Maestro Font Default (or Jazz Font Default) affect  
the documents created by the Setup Wizard.

For instance -- I understand that the page margins used in the  
default files are ignored by the Setup Wizard in favor of the page  
margins found in "pagesizes.txt". Okay...

I also understand that "pagesizes.txt" allows for two different left- 
hand margins -- one for scores and/or grand staves (1" by default)  
and one for single-staff parts (0.75" by default). Okay...

Here's my question:

How is the distance between staves determined? In the "Maestro Font  
Default," the default distance between staves is 0 for the first  
staff, and 19 points for each subsequent staff.  But if you create a  
single-staff part using the Setup Wizard, the default distance  
between staves drops to 3.5 points, and you get 10 systems on the  
first page (vs. 8 in the Maestro Font Default).

Whereas if you use the Setup Wizard to create a piano part, the  
default distance between staves jumps to 39 points (for 4 systems/ 
page) on the first page, and then 20 points (5 systems/page) on page  
2...

In both cases, if you add new measures, the distance btw systems  
reverts to the 19 points used in the default file.

So... am I correct in thinking the Setup Wizard automatically forces  
a "Space Systems Evenly" operation?

Also, it looks like the Setup Wizard automatically overwrites the  
"Page Setup for Parts" data found in the default file... AND it  
ignores the left margin for single-staff parts found in  
"pagesizes.txt." In other words, if you use the Setup Wizard to  
create a score, the default left margin will be 1" (to leave room for  
staff names). But if you extract parts from this score, the default  
left margin will *still* be 1" -- instead of, the 0.75" specified in  
"pagesizes.txt" (or the 0.5" specified in the Default File).

I don't suppose there's any way to override this behavior?

[PS Before people jump in with advice on how to change the Page  
Format before extracting parts, I ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I'm  
just trying to better understand how the current Setup Wizard works,  
both so I can offer better tips to Finale newbies and so I can offer  
specific suggestions to MakeMusic as to how the Setup Wizard could be  
improved.]

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Karen]

When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.




Hi Hiro,

I have always used the same default files that I have taken with me  
starting with Finale 2001.  I have never had any problems with the  
transfer during upgrades.  I have one default file for parts, one for  
scores and one for importing midi files (when I do midi  
transcriptions.)  I don't use the setup wizard so I don't have to  
call my default file Maestro Default file or Jazz Default file.  My  
score file is set up for a large orchestra so it is easy to delete  
parts and respace if necessary.  I am currently considering redoing  
my score default file for GPO playback.  Each default file has one  
measure in it and I use clip files to insert the "form" of the piece.


But there have been times that I have needed to import libraries  
etc.  I use the Library features within Finale for some things  
including Chords as you are trying to do.  I clear out the libraries  
as you have done but then I use Patterson plug-ins Settings Scrapbook  
to move over chord settings too.  (Settings Scrapbook alone is worth  
the price of Bob's plug-ins in my opinion as it really fills in the  
gaps with Finale's Library feature.) You may also try running from  
within the chord tool Chord>Change Chord Suffix Fonts.  There are a  
couple of spacing settings that you can reset.   I have never used  
this feature myself but you may want to try it.  Let me know what you  
find out!


For your text blocks, try out TGTools>Modify>Transfer.  You can  
transfer page text from one document to another as well as many other  
things.  I also use TGTools>Modify>Transfer>Metatools to transfer my  
expression and articulation metatools when necessary.  Look around in  
this part of the TGtools plug-in.  There are a ton of useful things  
there!


Best,

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Christopher Smith]

On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:57 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 03:27 PM wrote:


My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more
specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to
change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving
libraries.


Sorry.  I thought I was clear but probably my bad English.  Let me try
again.  I had been carry over my custom default file for years, which
contains all the settings I need.  Every time I receive new Finale
version, I open the default file then resave as the new default file.
In another word, I had never used Maestro default file before until
people on this list was saying this is a bad idea.

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title 
and

other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not 
solve
this).  This was why my original question of how others are dealing 
with

this.  When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.



Hiro,

I am one of those who seldom preserves a default file from one version 
to the next, and the things you mentioned are true.


I never use chord playback, so that particular lack in the chord lib 
importation never showed up for me, but I don't doubt that it is true. 
I don't know where those settings are stored, so I can't help you.


I manually change the page size and title settings (though I just 
learned that the defaults are stored in the pagesizes.txt document 
inside the Component Files folder; this file is referred to every time 
new pages are created, such as when extracting parts.)


I also reassign some metatools manually, and set the time sig, lines, 
etc., the way I like them, though I am messing around with those 
settings so much these days that it is no use to me to import them at 
all.


If you only ever open up your default file, using it as a template, 
then some of these won't affect you. If you use the Setup Wizard, 
though, then you have to know what is stored where, and it is not 
always clear, let me tell you!


Anything else not preserved, or not transferable?

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Christopher Smith / 2005/08/22 / 04:16 PM wrote:

>I never use chord playback, so that particular lack in the chord lib 
>importation never showed up for me, but I don't doubt that it is true. 
>I don't know where those settings are stored, so I can't help you.

I don't use playback too, but I just can't stand how Finale spells chord
name, i.e., minor have to be minus sign for me since that's the only way
to avoid mistake on sight reading sessions, and I like minus sign to be
Courier.  I also depend on MIDI chord entry with specific voicings for
specific chord names.  This is essential to my workflow.

>I manually change the page size and title settings (though I just 
>learned that the defaults are stored in the pagesizes.txt document 
>inside the Component Files folder; this file is referred to every time 
>new pages are created, such as when extracting parts.)

My problem is Text blocks on the Page Layout, i.e., Title with this font
and that size, etc, those which can not be stored in Document Option.

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 Aug 2005 at 22:16, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> Personally I have been updating my own default file for quite a long
> time. I don't really see the need to start from scratch with every
> Finale update.

Well, there are so many weird issues that I encounter in files that 
began life in older versions of Finale that I can understand the 
precautions that people take in creating new templates. That is, if 
the problems occur in non-templates, surely they'd be there in 
templates, too.

Any number of the weird problems I've encountered over the years 
occur only in my actual files, and not in files based on current 
templates where I try to recreate the problems. This includes things 
like the tempo tool edits that get completely ignored, and the 
cautionary accidentals that don't copy to another document. There are 
others, too, like the repeats that play correctly but don't show up 
correctly onscreen (i.e., the screen keeps going instead of 
repeating).

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Johannes Gebauer]

A-NO-NE Music schrieb:

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title and
other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not solve
this). 


I never work with chords, so I can't help you with that.

Text block handling in Finale is terrible. You may be able to transfer
textblocks from one document to another using TGTools. However, this
hasn't always worked for me as intended, but it's worth a try.

Ideally Finale should allow some standard text blocks which have
changeable standard settings, but alas, it hasn't.

Johannes

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Johannes Gebauer]

Personally I have been updating my own default file for quite a long
time. I don't really see the need to start from scratch with every
Finale update.

Johannes

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 03:27 PM wrote:

>My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more 
>specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to 
>change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving 
>libraries.

Sorry.  I thought I was clear but probably my bad English.  Let me try
again.  I had been carry over my custom default file for years, which
contains all the settings I need.  Every time I receive new Finale
version, I open the default file then resave as the new default file. 
In another word, I had never used Maestro default file before until
people on this list was saying this is a bad idea.

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title and
other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not solve
this).  This was why my original question of how others are dealing with
this.  When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Noel Stoutenburg]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Say I want certain text block on the page layout, title, credit, etc.,
as well as other page layout related specifics which I used to save to
my default file that carried over years, now I have to do it every time
I receive new Maestro default file.

What is puzzling me is that Save Lib option is not clear.  It won't let
you save only a portion of Document Options yet it has Default Font lib
export besides it.  This is why I asked how others are dealing with this.
 

Well, now I'm confused.  I have WINfin 2k6, but have not yet installed 
it so I'm not totally sure what you mean.


My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more 
specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to 
change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving 
libraries.


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 02:45 AM wrote:

>I think the way to do this is to sit down, spend some time 
>thinking
>about the work you do, and deciding what expressions and 
>articulations
>you most commonly need.

Thanks for your response, but not sure what you mean.  I am not looking
for template or sort.  Let's say Chord Library is one as I mentioned,
how I want default page layout is another, while line thickness and
these Finale default I don't like is the ones in question.

Say I want certain text block on the page layout, title, credit, etc.,
as well as other page layout related specifics which I used to save to
my default file that carried over years, now I have to do it every time
I receive new Maestro default file.

What is puzzling me is that Save Lib option is not clear.  It won't let
you save only a portion of Document Options yet it has Default Font lib
export besides it.  This is why I asked how others are dealing with this.

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- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Hiro wrote:


Until recently, I had my default file carried over and over FinMac
versions for years but many on this list have suggested it is a bad
idea, and I should load custom libraries to Maestro default file instead.

I found myself frustrated doing this since I don't yet to have complete
libraries, other than obvious ones such as Chord Lib, to complete my
setup.  I was wondering if anyone would list the usual libraries I
should create once for all so I could learn from it.



I think the way to do this is to sit down, spend some time 
thinking
about the work you do, and deciding what expressions and 
articulations

you most commonly need.

For myself, I have a library for organ, containing customary
designations for manuals (I, II, III; Swell, Great;) and 
organ stops
(diapasons, strings); I have one for tempi, where I keep the 
full range
of tempi from lento through prestississimo.  I also have a 
choir
expression library, that I use for such things as "Choir I" 
"Choir II",
"Soprano" "Solo" "Full", "sotto voce", &c.  My string 
library is very
rudimentary, as I don't know nearly as much about strings as 
I should;
"arco", "pizz", "col altri", &c.  I have yet to do any work 
with chords;

when I start, I'll doubtless develop a chord library, too.


By the way, here is my problem with loading my Chord Lib.  What I
thought I should be doing:
- Open new Maestro default file
 

hmmm.I'm on very thin ice here (it is, 
after all,
August in Dallas, TX, and we rarely get ice even in January 
mode off>) since I haven't made much use of the chord tool, 
but why not
start with an empty document, instead, and then load the 
chord library?
Do your editing, and when you are done editing, save your 
new chord

library with a new name.



- Select Chord Tool
- Select Edit Learned Chord
- Make some move to call up the Chord Assignment Dialog
- Delete all the chord entries
- Cancel out Chord Tool
- Load my own Chord Lib
 

If at this point you quit the document you loaded, and load 
a new one,

do you still get the following behavior?


When I go to Edit Learned Chord again, I find many are wrong because
learned chord seems to be pointing to large ID number 


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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Robert Patterson]

I thought we investigated this back during the Fin04 beta cycle. My 
recollection is that Finale rebuilds the plugin menus each time you 
access one from the keyboard. Because you have such huge Saved Settings 
in the Settings Scrapbook, the rebuild takes awhile. OS9 and Win are 
less affected because they don't use .plist (which is XML). XML is 
sllo, but it is the recommended format for preferences in OSX.

If you only use the Settings Scrapbook infrequently, here is a step that 
 might help. Make a copy of your 
com.robertgpatterson.FinalePlugins.plist file. (I usually stick it a 
subfolder named com.robertgpatterson.FinalePlugins, which keeps the two 
side-by-side.)

Then remove the big saved settings from your everyday file and only 
rename it when you need to access the big saved settings. A future 
upgrade to Settings Scrapbook to store the scrapbook settings in a 
separate .plist would probably help immensely, but I haven't had the 
time to think about it.

If you want to continue this topic, it might be appropriate over on the 
Patterson Plug-Ins list.

Robert
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Robert,
when you have succeeded and are using Fin2k5, I wonder whether you could 
let me know about something I am experiencing with 2k5 (and 2k4 for that 
matter):

There is a delay for the keyboard commands (only the built-in ones, and 
only some of them), which is directly related to the amount of (sub)menu 
items in the Plugin menu. The following commands are especially 
affected: Switching between scroll and page view, Print, Save. Here is 
my observation:
When I switch from scroll to page view or vice versa the delay is 
present, if not the first time, then certainly if I switch back 
immediately. If I press command-P, then cancel, then use the key command 
for switching the view it is immediate, but the next time the delay is 
present again.
Speedy menu items are not affected (thanks for that...).

The reason I ask you: I have a lot of saved settings with your plugins, 
and I assume you do, too.

The delay was really terrible on my old Powerbook, but it is still 
present on my brand new iBook, and it is driving me nuts.

Thanks,
Johannes
PS: Do you have any idea why, when I reply to your posts, Thunderbird 
always includes both the list and you as recipients, while this doesn't 
happen with any other list mails? Just curious...

Robert Patterson wrote:
I'm upgrading my default file from Fin03 to Fin05. I know I should 
redesign my expressions and possibly my default tuplets. Are there any 
other new setting I should be thinking about? Engraver slurs? Others?

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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Johannes Gebauer]

Robert,
when you have succeeded and are using Fin2k5, I wonder whether you could 
let me know about something I am experiencing with 2k5 (and 2k4 for that 
matter):

There is a delay for the keyboard commands (only the built-in ones, and 
only some of them), which is directly related to the amount of (sub)menu 
items in the Plugin menu. The following commands are especially 
affected: Switching between scroll and page view, Print, Save. Here is 
my observation:
When I switch from scroll to page view or vice versa the delay is 
present, if not the first time, then certainly if I switch back 
immediately. If I press command-P, then cancel, then use the key command 
for switching the view it is immediate, but the next time the delay is 
present again.
Speedy menu items are not affected (thanks for that...).

The reason I ask you: I have a lot of saved settings with your plugins, 
and I assume you do, too.

The delay was really terrible on my old Powerbook, but it is still 
present on my brand new iBook, and it is driving me nuts.

Thanks,
Johannes
PS: Do you have any idea why, when I reply to your posts, Thunderbird 
always includes both the list and you as recipients, while this doesn't 
happen with any other list mails? Just curious...

Robert Patterson wrote:
I'm upgrading my default file from Fin03 to Fin05. I know I should 
redesign my expressions and possibly my default tuplets. Are there any 
other new setting I should be thinking about? Engraver slurs? Others?
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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Jari Williamsson]

Robert Patterson wrote:
I'm upgrading my default file from Fin03 to Fin05. I know I should 
redesign my expressions and possibly my default tuplets. Are there any 
other new setting I should be thinking about? Engraver slurs? Others?
The new spacing/distance settings in Fin2005.
Best regards,
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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Chuck Israels]

Yes, Robert,

That's what Darcy is saying.  This behavior started in 2004 (I think), and it does seem inconvenient to me, but I am used to it.  Whatever your page set up is in the default file becomes the default page set up for all documents, requiring changes to everything that does not conform.

So, if you set things up as I have, and your default file has the page size and set up for your parts, everything else needs re-setting when you print.

As I said, it's an annoyance.

Chuck

On Jan 30, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

Are you saying the rules have changed? In OS9, extracted parts had the same page setup as the file from which they were extracted. The new behavior you describe sounds silly by comparison.

Darcy James Argue wrote:
Also, you should make sure the Page Setup settings of your Maestro Default File match the paper size you most often print to, because extracted parts (even extracted parts *not* based on your default file) will default to whatever you have set in your Maestro Default File

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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Christopher Smith]

On Jan 30, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi Robert,
I have had issues with importing older Finale files for use as a 
default file in Fin2005.  Files that have their genesis in earlier 
versions seem considerably more susceptible to the file-overwrite bug.
Not to mention general corruption. I have had all kinds of weirdness in 
opening old files that is not consistent at all, like odd spacing that 
resists all attempts to clear (even deleting the measure and 
re-entering the music!), and arbitrary extra measures added at the end 
with strange Vulcan time signatures. And don't get me started on 
lyrics!

Copying the contents to a newly-created window usually cures things, 
but I lose all my formatting and titles.

Christopher
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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Robert Patterson]

Are you saying the rules have changed? In OS9, extracted parts had the 
same page setup as the file from which they were extracted. The new 
behavior you describe sounds silly by comparison.

Darcy James Argue wrote:
Also, you should make sure the Page Setup settings of your Maestro 
Default File match the paper size you most often print to, because 
extracted parts (even extracted parts *not* based on your default file) 
will default to whatever you have set in your Maestro Default File

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Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Robert,
I have had issues with importing older Finale files for use as a 
default file in Fin2005.  Files that have their genesis in earlier 
versions seem considerably more susceptible to the file-overwrite bug.  
So I'd recommend building a new default file from scratch, based on the 
provided Fin2005 Maestro Default File.  It's a pain, but it will help 
prevent serious corruption issues down the road (if you ever work with 
multiple documents open simultaneously).

Also, you should make sure the Page Setup settings of your Maestro 
Default File match the paper size you most often print to, because 
extracted parts (even extracted parts *not* based on your default file) 
will default to whatever you have set in your Maestro Default File

As for your questions, you will have to re-do expressions, tuplets, and 
lyric settings.  You will also need to make sure you have Font 
Annotation files for any custom music fonts you might happen to use 
(can't remember when those were introduced).

Tie and slur settings should not require changing.
- Darcy
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On 30 Jan 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
I'm upgrading my default file from Fin03 to Fin05. I know I should 
redesign my expressions and possibly my default tuplets. Are there any 
other new setting I should be thinking about? Engraver slurs? Others?
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