Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Hey, I have a 9500 that has a G4 in it.though I haven't tried to start it in a while :-/ Best advice is to get LOTS of memory. OS X likes lots of memory. Check out datamem.com, or macsales.comor where ever you like to go. It uses PC 100 or PC 133 chips, up to 256 megs in size, $30 for a chip, and you have 3 slots. http://eshop.macsales.com/Descriptions/specs/Framework.cfm?page=g3mt.htmltitle=Power%20Macintosh%20G3%20Mini%20Tower Lawrence David Eden wrote: OK! I turned the RAM Disk off... My colleagues here on the List have given this OS9 user some excellent pointers with regard to my recent use of OSX. Having said that, does the fact that I am using an old Beige G3 (with processor upgrade to 500mgz G4) still rule out any benefits from using a RAM disk? No need to tear me a new onejust try to further my education! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
At 8/7/2007 05:24 PM, John Howell wrote: At 8:15 AM -0400 8/7/07, Phil Daley wrote: I think that a travel drive is the way to go. They are faster than a HD and they are more stable than RAM. Phil, is that the little doohickey I've heard called a flash drive or a thumb drive--a Gig on your keychain? I've never understood why it's called a drive, since it's solid state. Or is it? Someone did point out that is actually not as fast as a HD, but it certainly is fast enough. It is solid state, but it comes up in Explorer looking just like another disk on your system. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
OK! I turned the RAM Disk off... My colleagues here on the List have given this OS9 user some excellent pointers with regard to my recent use of OSX. Having said that, does the fact that I am using an old Beige G3 (with processor upgrade to 500mgz G4) still rule out any benefits from using a RAM disk? No need to tear me a new onejust try to further my education! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Lawrence David Eden / 2007/08/08 / 04:10 PM wrote: Having said that, does the fact that I am using an old Beige G3 (with processor upgrade to 500mgz G4) still rule out any benefits from using a RAM disk? It's all about how much RAM you have. I already mentioned you probably need more than 4GB to see the benefit of RAM Disk. All in fairness, tho, there still is a place for RAM Disk. When you want to save your laptop battery consumption, RAM Disk is the way to go :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
I use the RAM Disk to store Finale Temp files and the music that I am working on during a given session. Sure, HDs are fast these days, but HDs have moving parts. The RAM Disk is ultra fast, and has no moving parts...faster than any HD, and RAM is cheap. I don't consider assigning some of my plentiful RAM to a RAM Disk to be a waste of memory. The speed boost is worth it and I am saving ware and tear on my HD. On 06.08.2007 Lawrence David Eden wrote: Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. I am really curious as to what you use that RAM disk for? HDs are so quick these days I can't see why anyone would waste memory with a RAM disk... Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Please elaborate, Darcy. RAM disks are totally counterproductive in OS X. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 06 Aug 2007, at 12:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. Question about the Ram Disk. Does it actually speed things up? Are you using this on an OLD mac (sounds like it)? I can see it maybe speeding it up a little, but on a newer Intel mac I would wonder what the speed benefit would be. Lawrence David Eden wrote: Just wanted to make others on the List aware of a pretty powerful macro program that is available for download Keyboard Maestro. The program is free for 30 days, then costs $20. It is almost as complete as Quickeys, but it lacks the ability to record a sequence. Although I miss this feature, I have been able to recreate most of the macros that I used with OS9. Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Quoting from the 1st link listed below, we find this closing statement: .We've been pleased by the performance improvements achieved by using ramBunctious on OS X.. Sounds to me like using a RAM Disk is worth further investigation by other OSX Finale users. http://www.osxfaq.com/tips/ram/index.ws http://lowendmac.com/x-basics/02/0201.html Those two articles pretty much debunk Ram disks as well... Darcy James Argue wrote: RAM disks are totally counterproductive in OS X. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 06 Aug 2007, at 12:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. Question about the Ram Disk. Does it actually speed things up? Are you using this on an OLD mac (sounds like it)? I can see it maybe speeding it up a little, but on a newer Intel mac I would wonder what the speed benefit would be. Lawrence David Eden wrote: Just wanted to make others on the List aware of a pretty powerful macro program that is available for download Keyboard Maestro. The program is free for 30 days, then costs $20. It is almost as complete as Quickeys, but it lacks the ability to record a sequence. Although I miss this feature, I have been able to recreate most of the macros that I used with OS9. Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Your best bet would be to download the free trial and give it a test drive. On 8/6/07, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. The featureI miss most in iKeys is the ability to control which shift keys are pressed when the macro is invoked. Does this Maestro thing offer that? The other thing I miss in iKeys (as I recall) is the ability to click on buttons by name. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
I think that a travel drive is the way to go. They are faster than a HD and they are more stable than RAM. At 8/7/2007 07:35 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I use the RAM Disk to store Finale Temp files and the music that I am working on during a given session. Sure, HDs are fast these days, but HDs have moving parts. The RAM Disk is ultra fast, and has no moving parts...faster than any HD, and RAM is cheap. I don't consider assigning some of my plentiful RAM to a RAM Disk to be a waste of memory. The speed boost is worth it and I am saving ware and tear on my HD. On 06.08.2007 Lawrence David Eden wrote: Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. I am really curious as to what you use that RAM disk for? HDs are so quick these days I can't see why anyone would waste memory with a RAM disk... Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
On 07.08.2007 Lawrence David Eden wrote: I use the RAM Disk to store Finale Temp files and the music that I am working on during a given session. Sure, HDs are fast these days, but HDs have moving parts. The RAM Disk is ultra fast, and has no moving parts...faster than any HD, and RAM is cheap. I don't consider assigning some of my plentiful RAM to a RAM Disk to be a waste of memory. The speed boost is worth it and I am saving ware and tear on my HD. I honestly cannot believe that you notice any speed improvement by storing temp files on a RAM disk in OS X. Keeping RAM free will be of more benefit. OS X is fundamentally different from OS 9 in this respect. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Maybe on a legacy system. On a new, or newer Macs, I think you'd be better off maxing out your Ram and letting OS X do all the caching for you. Also, I believe that article is rather old. Like back in the Mac OS X 10.1 days. Lawrence David Eden wrote: Quoting from the 1st link listed below, we find this closing statement: .We've been pleased by the performance improvements achieved by using ramBunctious on OS X.. Sounds to me like using a RAM Disk is worth further investigation by other OSX Finale users. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
http://www.memorex.com/html/products_detail.php?section=3CID=12SID=16PID=714FID=44opento=12 Um, as fast as your USB 2 port. And using my iPod Nano to move files back and forth between home and my studio, which is essentially the same thing, it is not fast at all. 8 MB read times compared to what you can get on a Firewire drive, or a eSATA drive? Phil Daley wrote: I think that a travel drive is the way to go. They are faster than a HD and they are more stable than RAM. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Um, I'm sure turning on your Monitor is wear and tear as well. Moving the mouse is wear and tear. Seriously, wear and tear on a Hard Drive? What kind of computer are you using? Do you have free space on your drive? Have you maybe defragmented the drive? Lawrence David Eden wrote: I use the RAM Disk to store Finale Temp files and the music that I am working on during a given session. Sure, HDs are fast these days, but HDs have moving parts. The RAM Disk is ultra fast, and has no moving parts...faster than any HD, and RAM is cheap. I don't consider assigning some of my plentiful RAM to a RAM Disk to be a waste of memory. The speed boost is worth it and I am saving ware and tear on my HD. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
At 8:15 AM -0400 8/7/07, Phil Daley wrote: I think that a travel drive is the way to go. They are faster than a HD and they are more stable than RAM. Phil, is that the little doohickey I've heard called a flash drive or a thumb drive--a Gig on your keychain? I've never understood why it's called a drive, since it's solid state. Or is it? John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
On 7 Aug 2007 at 7:56, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Quoting from the 1st link listed below, we find this closing statement: .We've been pleased by the performance improvements achieved by using ramBunctious on OS X.. Sounds to me like using a RAM Disk is worth further investigation by other OSX Finale users. http://www.osxfaq.com/tips/ram/index.ws http://lowendmac.com/x-basics/02/0201.html An organization whose product is RAM disk software has no vested interest in the issue, so, of course, we can believe what they say. /sarcasm If you read that article carefully, you'll see they don't make many claims that their product accomplishes anything at all under OS X. It's pretty lame. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 7 Aug 2007 at 7:35, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I use the RAM Disk to store Finale Temp files and the music that I am working on during a given session. Sure, HDs are fast these days, but HDs have moving parts. The RAM Disk is ultra fast, and has no moving parts...faster than any HD, and RAM is cheap. I don't consider assigning some of my plentiful RAM to a RAM Disk to be a waste of memory. The speed boost is worth it and I am saving ware and tear on my HD. With virtual memory and disk caching both active, you are wasting memory by using a RAM disk, especiallyl if it's a fixed-size RAM disk. The memory that is used up by the RAM disk would be better managed by your virtual memory manager and your OS's disk caching mechanisms. The only thing a RAM disk will speed up is the amount of time it takes to save a file. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
On 7 Aug 2007 at 7:31, Eric Dannewitz wrote: http://www.memorex.com/html/products_detail.php?section=3CID=12SID=1 6PID=714FID=44opento=12 Um, as fast as your USB 2 port. And using my iPod Nano to move files back and forth between home and my studio, which is essentially the same thing, it is not fast at all. 8 MB read times compared to what you can get on a Firewire drive, or a eSATA drive? Soon coming to a computer near you (no word wrap): http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_lapto ps/ I recently read a review of a Sony VAIO laptop with no conventional hard drive at all, just a large flash drive, and the reviewer said it was a major difference in terms of performance. Right now, the capacity is not too large in comparison to conventional drives (32GBs) and the prices are high, but that will change as these become more common. For now, though, there seems to be no way for consumers to buy these for installation into a desktop, based on extensive Googling that I did. And the only internal Flash drives I found used an internal USB interface, which is way too slow to get the benefit from the speed of the drives themselves. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yeah. Really. Snake Oil. Though, I recently replaced a ATA drive in one of my Mac with a newer, bigger one (500 gigs), and I noticed a big difference. Could be that the disk is totally defragmented (though I was pretty good about keeping it defragmented with all the Digital Audio work I do), but I think it was more of a technology now is better/faster than it was 4 years ago. I think the new drive has 16 megs of cache on it, not sure what the other one had David W. Fenton wrote: An organization whose product is RAM disk software has no vested interest in the issue, so, of course, we can believe what they say. /sarcasm If you read that article carefully, you'll see they don't make many claims that their product accomplishes anything at all under OS X. It's pretty lame. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 7 Aug 2007 at 20:21, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Though, I recently replaced a ATA drive in one of my Mac with a newer, bigger one (500 gigs), and I noticed a big difference. Could be that the disk is totally defragmented (though I was pretty good about keeping it defragmented with all the Digital Audio work I do), but I think it was more of a technology now is better/faster than it was 4 years ago. I think the new drive has 16 megs of cache on it, not sure what the other one had Larger drives can have more platters, which can automatically increase seek performance. And the onboard cache can make an awful lot of difference. Might be a faster drive, too. 7200RPM drives are the norm these days, but the price premium for 1RPM drives is coming down a lot (though you still usually get lowly 5400RPM drives in laptops, because of the reduced power usage). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
Currently, the iMac uses the internal drive for the OS and a firewire drive for Finale and DAW stuff. I think the Finale temp files are going to the local drive. The computer that I was talking about, with the 500 gig drive, is partitioned to have an OS and a Data partition. I try to keep the Data partition defragmented with SpeedTools and iDefrag. I did this on the old drive as well, but there is a noticeable difference in Finale and Digital performer with the new drive. I have a ii-V-I patterns thing I've put together over the years. It is something like almost 400 pages now. 12 systems a page, 4 bars each. It would take about 5 minutes before to go through a Data check in Finale with the file, now it takes less than that. A little over 4. A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bigger cache won't do anything to your DAW work since DAW file I/O will be way bigger than cache can handle. You might already know this but OSX automatic defrag won't benefit to DAW work. I bet your new drive has better access time. Are you using both OS and DAW on this new 500GB drive? OS will definitely benefits from 16MB cache, but you will have inconsistent performance for DAW unless you partitioned. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
On 06.08.2007 Lawrence David Eden wrote: Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. I am really curious as to what you use that RAM disk for? HDs are so quick these days I can't see why anyone would waste memory with a RAM disk... Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. Question about the Ram Disk. Does it actually speed things up? Are you using this on an OLD mac (sounds like it)? I can see it maybe speeding it up a little, but on a newer Intel mac I would wonder what the speed benefit would be. Lawrence David Eden wrote: Just wanted to make others on the List aware of a pretty powerful macro program that is available for download Keyboard Maestro. The program is free for 30 days, then costs $20. It is almost as complete as Quickeys, but it lacks the ability to record a sequence. Although I miss this feature, I have been able to recreate most of the macros that I used with OS9. Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] macro program for OSX
RAM disks are totally counterproductive in OS X. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 06 Aug 2007, at 12:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. Question about the Ram Disk. Does it actually speed things up? Are you using this on an OLD mac (sounds like it)? I can see it maybe speeding it up a little, but on a newer Intel mac I would wonder what the speed benefit would be. Lawrence David Eden wrote: Just wanted to make others on the List aware of a pretty powerful macro program that is available for download Keyboard Maestro. The program is free for 30 days, then costs $20. It is almost as complete as Quickeys, but it lacks the ability to record a sequence. Although I miss this feature, I have been able to recreate most of the macros that I used with OS9. Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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That is what I thought as well. http://www.osxfaq.com/tips/ram/index.ws http://lowendmac.com/x-basics/02/0201.html Those two articles pretty much debunk Ram disks as well... Darcy James Argue wrote: RAM disks are totally counterproductive in OS X. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 06 Aug 2007, at 12:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/ I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. Question about the Ram Disk. Does it actually speed things up? Are you using this on an OLD mac (sounds like it)? I can see it maybe speeding it up a little, but on a newer Intel mac I would wonder what the speed benefit would be. Lawrence David Eden wrote: Just wanted to make others on the List aware of a pretty powerful macro program that is available for download Keyboard Maestro. The program is free for 30 days, then costs $20. It is almost as complete as Quickeys, but it lacks the ability to record a sequence. Although I miss this feature, I have been able to recreate most of the macros that I used with OS9. Another thing I miss with my recent switch to OSX, is the loss of my RAM DISK. I found a freeware program on the web called Esperance DV that solved this problem. It creates a RAM DISK at startup. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 8/6/07, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it out, and decided that iKeys was better for me. The featureI miss most in iKeys is the ability to control which shift keys are pressed when the macro is invoked. Does this Maestro thing offer that? The other thing I miss in iKeys (as I recall) is the ability to click on buttons by name. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 6 Aug 2007 at 12:04, Darcy James Argue wrote: RAM disks are totally counterproductive in OS X. They've been counterproductive on Windows since Windows 3.1 (i.e., c. 1992). The key is not disk speed, but disk caching. Apparently, on the old Mac OS, there was very little (or very poor) disk caching. Thus, using a RAM disk got you the benefits of a disk cache. OS X has apparently rectified that problem. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I believe OS 9 did have disk caching you could make bigger, but it was probably very poor. http://kb.iu.edu/data/aapz.html David W. Fenton wrote: On 6 Aug 2007 at 12:04, Darcy James Argue wrote: RAM disks are totally counterproductive in OS X. They've been counterproductive on Windows since Windows 3.1 (i.e., c. 1992). The key is not disk speed, but disk caching. Apparently, on the old Mac OS, there was very little (or very poor) disk caching. Thus, using a RAM disk got you the benefits of a disk cache. OS X has apparently rectified that problem. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
