Clinic with Dutch Fjord Horse Registry Inspector
This message is from: Anton Voorhoeve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fjord Clinic in BC Canada Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:12:47 -0700 From: Anton Voorhoeve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, this is Anton Voorhoeve from Fjord Horses of Narnia on Saltspring Island, BC. Though perhaps most of you are aware from the considerable amount of advertising we have placed in the Fjord Herald and PNWFPG Newsletter, I would like to take this opportunity to remind you about the upcoming clinic at our farm, with guest Fjord judge Bob Van Bon from Holland. This is a rare opportunity for North American fjord horse owners to have their horses assessed and judged by a leading, recognized authority in the Fjord Horse world. This will be a hands-on experience covering many of the topics that have been discussed in this mailing list. We have 15 Fjords and use them very successfully in our summer camp. We have also imported from Holland five fillies and a stallion . It was during my buying trip to Holland, while visiting the fjord farms with Bob that the idea came up for him to come to Canada . Bob is one of the most well-regarded fjord experts in Europe and in North America and has been largely responsible for creating the Fjord registry in Holland. In early May he will be attending the Stallion Show in Norway, and event he goes to every year. After that he will come to Canada with his wife who is an accomplished riding instructor, Albert Wezeman ,a board member of the Dutch registry and very knowledgable in training horses to drive, and Eline Koopman, a certified Fjord judge who worked for us last year and showed our horses in Libby. The clinic will be very informal, not competitive but educational. It will be three days dedicated to how to groom, present, train, judge and breed Fjords. Anyone interested in attending can let us know by e-mail or phone 250-653-4364. Because of the distance bringing a horse may present a problem and we have offered the use of some of our horses in order to maximize participation. I will also make a video of the event which will be made available for sale afterwards. Accommodations and meals can be provided as part of the package. Salt SpringIsland is a short ferry ride from Vancouver Island, and can also be reached easily by ferry from Vancouver area. Anton Voorhoeve Fjord Horses of Narnia Salt Spring Island B.C.
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This message is from: Reinbowend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary Yes ofcourse you should have your filly evaluated. A knowledgable person given the history will beable to tell if the anomaly is genetic or a case of neglect. Such as splints whose cause can be attributed to numerous not always conformational reasons. Yes Evaluation cost money. Nothing good in life is free or non-fattening. If you cannot or feel unqualified to acess your horses conformation then you should take it to an evaluation. Knowledge is the key to producing superlative animals and that is what evaluations do. And wouldn't it be wonderful if mother Nature smiled upon me and gaurenteed an outstanding foal ever time out. Ain't going to happen for me , sinless as I am, or anyone else dealing with livestock. Vivian in Vermont
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This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi to All you Fjord horse people out there: I have a question that maybe someone out there could answer, especially with all the evaluation talk going on. We have a mare who has excellent breeding and is very "typey" as far as her conformation goes, but she has an avulsion of the heel on one of her back hooves. We bought her with this blemish, apparently this happened at her former owners. We bought her from a breeder who had taken her on consignment. She does not lame up from this, nor does it affect her way of going, but her hoof does not grow out properly because of this. There is some disfiguration at the coronet band and the side of the hoof does not grow as it should. When our farrier shoes her and uses equilox, the blemish is hardly noticable. Her other feet are well formed and grow properly. So my question is: Can we show her at halter or have her evaluated? This is not a congential defect, but apparently was caused by neglect. It's wonderful to read all the comments about evalutaions and breeding, etc. and now I'm wondering if we should bring our filly to the evaluations. I know she's not an "outstanding" or "Excellent" horse, she's just average, I think. I also get a chuckle out of the ads in the Herald. It seems like most of the advertisers overuse the words "outstanding", "quality", etc. etc. I guess no one wants to advertise "average horse with an O.K. personality", but I know they are out there, if fact probably most of them are. I do agree that we should have all the stallions evaluated. And I do think temperament is part of what is passed to the offspring. I can tell that in the horses we have. Our "average" filly has an attitude at times, so does her sire, but she's willing to try new things and is fearless in some situations. One of our mares is out of a stallion who is very calm, but has a great presence - she is the same way. And just as an added note...We are expecting one of our mares to foal any day now. I'm hoping it will be in the next couple of days because I took time off of work!!! We will let you know when the blessed event arrives. Maybe it will be and "Outstanding" foal. Keep up the good conversations folks. Hope to see some of you at the evaluations this summer. As another added note, a friend of ours knew of someone who said of the evaluations "You mean I have to pay money to have someone tell me my horse isn't any good?" Duh! Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords
Re: Re: breed control through stallion evaluations
This message is from: Reinbowend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Julie, Carol, Dave This is great ... Having this forum to air our opinions is so important and really using the net the way it can be most productive. So many lists steer away from anything that might be perceived as inflammatory. As for your letters, my thoughts. Obviously I think performance is very important. Not only because doing so succesfully is really the best form of promotion for the breed but because a horse that is in performance condition has reached his peak and you can readily see what he or she looks like when well muscled and bloomy. As for stallions behavior... A horse misbehaving at a breed show isn't fun to watch, but it isn't often the best indication of his character. Also the fitter a horse is the more inclined he is to misbehave. A good number of the Advanced horses at Ocala misbehaved terribly at the vet check, and none of them could use testicles as an excuse, they just felt really good and these were large warm-bloods which when they act up is very impressive Both my mares and Marnix go through a temperment change when they are really fit. Partly due to the increased intake of food and just because they feel so good. They dance about and are alot spookier to sounds and scary things flapping about. Then ofcourse there are the horses who have been allowed to run rough shod over everyone and think it's perfectly exceptable. With a stallion this would be a really unfortunate situation, but we all know it happens. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that if you see a stallion acting up I wouldn't necessarily rule him out as a breeding prospect. I could probably go on at great lengths, but won't bore you. Please lets keep up the dialogue, and is Pat Wolfe on this list? Vivian in Vermont
Norwegian Harness for sale
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a virtually new and unused Norwegian harness with the combination collar/hame and swivel type back pads. (hard to describe). It is heavy enough for draft work. I bought it several years ago from Carol Elston of PA who I think imported it. Unfortunately it doesn't fit my very large Fjords, (Mine are 14-2 to 15-2) It would probably fit fjords 14 hh or under,(depending on stoutness). I would like to get $500 for it plus maybe $25 for shipping. It is located in Alaska, and I will pay anything over $25 shipping cost. Jean in warm and windy Fairbanks, Alaska (praying that no one starts a fire today in this wind!) I have pictures in the computer of identical harness shown in a Dutch Fjord book which I can e-mail to anyone interested. ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluations
This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:46 AM 4/27/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >This is Julie responding to Gail: As a breeder, I can tell you that I get TONS of calls looking for fully trained, kid safe, riding and driving Fjords. I think part of the problem is lack of supply! I sell the above type about as fast as I get them in. (I buy and sell a lot of Fjords.) This leaves of course my yearling to 3 year olds that are "available" although not fully trained. (We do all the basic training appropriate to the age and don't sell "wild" unmanagable horses.) When we sell a green horse to a green owner, we either board and train the animal if that is feasible, or recommend the buyer get professional help. Of course $$$ always play a part in this. The fully trained horse is much more expensive, and sometimes the price is the deciding factor. I think most reputable breeders try their best to match horse to buyer and be sure the buyer will be satisfied. But there are those who think the Fjord is "born broke" and don't bother with even basic schooling before selling the animal. Over the past few years I have purchased several "herds" of Fjords, in which there were two and three year old stallions, no less, who were hardly halter broken. (Not to mention thin, wormy, etc.) Yes, this can happen, and does happen much to often, to our lovely Fjords. Any time a "quick buck " is out there, new "breeders" emerge, and the decline of the breed begins. > > > > >Forestville CA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Evaluations
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As a new, novice Fjord owner I would like to emphasize that the good of the breed will also be enhanced by a program to encourage breeders and new owners to train their Fjords well. Unfortunately, from what I can tell, the best way to keep paying the bills as a breeder is to sell young horses to new enthusiasts. Thus the new enthusiasts end up being responsible for training a very forgiving breed, but one that has the brains and brawn to walk all over their novice owners. I gather there was an article in one of the FJord Heralds emphasizing that breeders should, for the good of the breed, train their young stock well. However, it appears to me that that is economically difficult for the breeders if they have to hold a horse long enough that they can sell a well-trained animal. The only solution to this problem is to recognize the way things are and help novice owners to understand the special training requirements of the breed. Maybe there should be a "New Fjord Owners Manual" with "Operations and Maintenance' chapters. In the meantime this list is very helpful to new Fjord owners. Gail (who is right now trying to train her Fjord and her SO's QH to load in a new-to-the-horses aluminum floored, slant load trailer - neither of them like it, but the reactions are *very* different. Gunthar the Fjord does what I ask, but I know from experience that the worried look on his face means the pressure is building and he could explode if he does not get some relief, whereas Brother the QH tries to flee early on - so he has little outbursts, rather than Gunthar's Vesuvius-like eruptions.) Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evaluation
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I certainly glad to see the discussion that the subject of evaluation is generating. The thing that concerns me is that personality, trainability, call it what you will seems to get short shrift. We have a Trakehner and two Morgans as well as the Fjord, and I think that it is very easy to see in the two horses with European backgrounds that thought has been given in the past breeding to what's in the head as well as the shape of the head. I don't think that the wonderful Fjord personality that we all love is any accident. It has to have been part of the selection process. By paying no attention to this quality in evaluating breeding stock, how many generations will it take to lose it? The suggestion that bad tempered stallions might produce good get seems to me not much different from the idea that poorly conformed stallions might produce well conformed offspring. How many nasty babies do you need on the ground before you call it quits? And since we don't eat them, what do you do with them? IMO it is wrong to separate personality and function from the process of evaluating breeding stock. I know that European breeds that use the 100 Day Training as part of their selection process place great value on trainability and ability to perform. Do any of the Fjord registries use similar programs? Please excuse me for going on so long, but I don't want our grand-daughters to have only stupid, ill-tempered but beautiful Fjords to choose from when they buy a horse for their kids. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. --Arabian proverb
Re: breed control through stallion evaluations
This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:26 AM 4/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Julie Will responding to Carol Revoire: I would take exception to certain aspects of a stallion's "manners" not counting. I think an aggressive temperament can be and often is transmitted to offspring. The first colt that we purchased for a possible stallion "prospect" was (by age 14 months) so aggressive that we chose to scrap the plan and geld him. He was a biter, dispite aggressive training and handling, and I felt it was unsafe to have him on a farm where children were frequent visitors. He was the son of a well-known stallion, one that had been used for breeding in Norway prior to being imported. I have since owned two offspring of this same stallion that had "less than pleasant" dispositions. Both are aggressive to other horses and are among the few Fjords I have been around that frequently lay their ears back. Both are "kickers". I think having a gentle, trustworthy disposition is critical in a stallion. I don't mean not "masculine", but certainly not inclined to bite or kick at the handler. And yes, I agree that breeding stallions should be evaluated, or at the very least should be competing in large Fjord shows and WINNING. Julie @ Old Hickory Farm >
Breeding quality
This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Viv, I think that in the case of clear congenital health problems, yes, a mare owner would probably reconsider and elect not to breed. There are a number of "plain", average mares out there that are perhaps too long bodied or a little straight in the stifle or sickle hocked, toed in or toed out, ewe necked, too light or too heavy of bone, etc. A good stallion can correct a number of these faults and as stallion owners, perhaps we can help the mare owner make a good decision about which stallion would be the best option for the mare, rather than just turning them away to go breed to the neighbor's horse. Yes these are not "top quality" mares, but still are mares that could produce a foal better than themselves if bred to the right horse. And I'm not talking about putting these mares into a breeding herd. Congratulations on your successes with Marnix!!! Julie
Evaluations
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think it's great that we've got a discussion on evaluations. Perhaps the biggest problem with getting the evaluations going has been informing Fjord owners on what it's all about. The Fjord List might just accomplish this better than anything. Along with my wife Pam, who was officially involved in launching evaluations, I have had the chance to see the Dutch and Norwegian evaluations, the clinics the Norwegians and Bob van Bon had done in the US, and I have spent a lot of time at the side of the judges, here and with learner judges in Norway. The evaluations are very important, and our participation is crucial to it's success in the US. The reason for evaluations is to maintain breed quality. With evaluation, we are informed on which horses show the best quality and likelihood of producing quality offspring. Participants and spectators will increase their knowledge of what to look for in quality. Over time I have come to see a major misunderstanding about evaluations. All of the emphasis in evaluation is and should be on identifying breeding stock. What people need to understand is that if their horse is not judged highly for breeding, it is not a BAD horse. It is merely a horse not desirable for breeding. I have seen people suffering after evaluation if something is said about their horse that they didn't want to hear. One course a few have taken is to blame the evaluation. Someone needs to tell them that they've missed the point, and that they shouldn't quit valuing their horse. We can make a division in our minds of breeding horses and using horses. Part of the evaluation is to identify the horse that not only has great physical characteristics, but also shows good using potential. Another horse might be excellent in its performance, but not be desirable for breeding. We don't need every horse to be a breeder, but we do need lots of stunning horses that can do things. Let's consider a true star of the Fjord world, Wez. He has distinguished himself at the very top levels of open competition, and has brought much glory to the breed. He has been through what is the evaluation process of the Using Horse. Someone somewhere made a decision he would not be a breeding horse and he was gelded. Whether or not he has the quality to have been a breeding stallion (he may very well, I can't say), I am glad he has been training and competing rather than breeding a few mares in obscurity. There is a status to prominence in evaluations, but we MUST NOT SELL SHORT THE USING HORSE. In the distance driving competitions I have done, I know some horses will do better than others. With identical training, one will have better recoveries, will be sounder, will just have an attitude that will lead to successes. That horse is not always the one that will do best in evaluation. I do not say this in any way to diminish the importance of evaluation for breeding. The evaluation is the long term effort for quality. In the here and now, having benefited from decades of evaluations is Europe, the overall quality of the breed is exceptional. What is the Using Horse? It is as diverse as all the things we do with Fjords. It might be the ancient mare who gives rides to grandchildren. It might excel in competition, or be a companion for occasional trail riding. Might be excellent in a therapeutic riding program. It might just look lovely out among the daisies. It does not in any way need to be a second class horse, but it might not, if so evaluated, be the one to breed. Understanding this, anyone who is considering breeding, the owner of many brood mares or just one, should get the opinion of the expert judges, and as soon as possible get the best brood stock you can find. For someone not considering breeding, like the owner of a gelding, the evaluation will be extremely informative, but if the judging is unfavorable in some way, and the horse is doing the job, don't give it a moment's worry! Dave
Re: breed control through stallion evaluations
This message is from: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol Rivoire responding to Vivian Creigh and Julie Will - I think Vivian's on the money when she talks about Americans being unwilling to accept Evaluation Advice. There are a lot of other problems as well; such as the distances we have to deal with. As mentioned, at our farm, we've always relied on the European evaluation system to select our stock. I believe in this system, which is not unique to the Fjord breed in Europe. As far as I know, EVERY breed in Europe has a similar system for evaluating breeding stock, and eliminating serious faults. So obviously such a system proven over time has merit. Julie mentioned that she's seen highly placed European Fjords that weren't up to her standards. I too have seen such horses. However, it has to be realized that EACH AND EVERY HORSE HAS HIS FAULTS! That's the nature of horses and other animals. A big important lesson to learn is that NO HORSE IS PERFECT! They all, even the very best, have something wrong with them, be it physical or mental. Julie thought Vivian's idea of a stallion owner refusing to breed an inferior mare was impractical. I guess I'd agree. -- A strict Stallion Approval program, however, would go a long way toward good Fjord breeding in North America. Currently, the NFHR has a rule that a stallion has to be evaluated by a vet to verify that he has two descended testicles, and does not have parrot mouth. -- This is good, but in no way good enough. "Parrot Mouth" is a pretty severe condition, but there's a lot of lesser malocclusions that should also disqualify a stallion. A breeding stallion should have perfect tooth alignment. I have a quote on my office wall that reads - CONFORMATION IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL HORSES, BUT FOR A STALLION IT SHOULD BE AS CLOSE TO PERFECTION AS POSSIBLE. WITH STALLIONS, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES. A plan that might work would be for the NFHR to REQUIRE all stallions that are to be used for breeding to be presented for Evaluation, and if that stallion does not pass the Evaluation, his foals could not be registered. Of course, there would have to be a lot of rules about what is and isn't acceptable. For instance, testicles, mouth, pigeon-toed, excessive white markings, and other serious, inheritable faults. Whereas, it really is almost impossible for many breeders to transport all of their stock (mares and foals) to Evaluations, they could (if absolutely required to) transport one horse - the stallion. One more thought I have about stallions. You hear a lot of criticism from supposed "experts" about this or that stallion. To me, the only value of a breeding stallion is in what he produces. I don't care if the stallion is poorly mannered, or whatever. If he produces quality babies that are easily trainable, then he's a good breeding stallion. - This is where breeding expertise is called for. I've been to the stallion shows in Norway and Holland and seen some hard to handle, poorly behaved stallions. Some of those stallions had been breeding for years, and were highly thought of. Why? Because they'd proven themselves through their offspring. That's all that counts. I recently read a story about the famous Thoroughbred, NASRULLAH. He was a terror on the track. Hard to handle, and absolutely erratic. Sometimes, he'd just stop after taking the lead, and wouldn't go on. He hardly won a race because of his queer behavior. However, he went on to become one of the best sires ever, producing countless stakes winners. --- That's all that counts for a breeding stallion. Aren't we lucky to have this wonderful medium for exchanging idea? Regards, Carol Rivoire from Beaver Dam Farm, Nova Scotia email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluations
This message is from: Reinbowend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Julie I'd really like to think that if you patiently explained to the mare owners why their horse would not be a good candidate for breeding they would understand. Maybe not at that precise moment, but in the future. I have been approached by people with mares who had the wobbles or navicular and a host of other congenital infirmities. If they disregard what I've suggested at least I've attempted to educate them and my conscience is clear. As for horses evaluated in Europe not being up to your standards. I agree there is a wide variety in the quality seen. I have asked Bob about it and his explanation was that some of the horses with obvious faults were so strong in other areas as to make them desirable to have in the gene pool. I think because he's seen so many thousands of horses and their offspring he can make those kinds of calls based on his years of experience and knowing which faults will become problematic down the line, and of course knowing that you'll be asked to evaluate a particular horses offspring allows you to nip anything in the bud before it gets out of hand. Maybe this was the case in Norway although I heard the same rumblings. I would like to see some sort of performance evaluation take place with judges licensed in the particular area Ridden (Usdf dressage judge) Driving (ADS judge) etc. Then people who excel in performance would have an opportunity to show it under people who truly knew how it should look at a certain level. Just because you are qualified to know Fjord conformation doesn't necessarily mean you are also an authority in all the performance areas I agree that it seems improbable that we will ever see the kinds of evaluations that take place in Europe. What a shame. By the way Pat Wolfe are you out there? Marnix won Yellowframe. He's getting very savvy about the marathon. Trying to second guess me looking for the holes. His dressage just keeps getting better. George Bowman had me at 31 penalties and Jack Pemberton at 38 only the American wasn't impressed so I ended up with a 41. Next stop Garden State for the first leg of the Prelim Pony Triple CRown where I understand there'll be a mess of good ponies. Sorry to hear about your leg, hope things are getting better. How's Felix? Vivian Creigh Vermont
Re: fjordhorse-digest From Sweden to Carol
This message is from: "Susanne Grönqvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 24 05:43:46 1998 >Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mailing-list.net (8.8.5) id GAA13899; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:41:30 -0600 (MDT) >Received: by mailing-list.net (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:41:30 -0600 >Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mailing-list.net (8.8.5) id GAA13865; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:41:25 -0600 (MDT) >Received: from mail1.auracom.net ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [165.154.140.21]) by mailing-list.net (8.8.5) id GAA13858; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:41:24 -0600 (MDT) >Received: from temp.atcon.com (ts1-1.ant.auracom.com [165.154.116.33]) > by mail1.auracom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA01780 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:44:00 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:44:00 -0400 (EDT) >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #33 >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >This message is from: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >This message is for Susanne from Sweden - > >Hi, welcome to this very interesting information exchange. You asked about >Norwegian and Swedish breeding. --- My name is Carol Rivoire, and our farm >is BEAVER DAM FARM FJORDS II in Nova Scotia, and we've been importing and >breeding Fjords for eighteen years. Our two top horses are Norwegian and >Swedish. Our stallion, Gjest, was born in Norway, and stayed there until he >was four or five years old. He did the Stallion Trials in Nordfjordeid, and >his trotting test of the kilometre was the fastest on record. To my >knowledge, still today, no other stallion has trotted the kilometre at his >speed. He did it in 2.12 minutes. Today, Gjest is 21 years old, and still >a magnificent trotter, and still very fast. Fast enough to make anybody, >even race horse people, take notice. As far as I know, Gjest's record goes >back well over a hundred years. > >Gjest's sire was Helgas-Jarl, and Helgas-Jarl's sire was Vosse-Lars Nstb. >No. 1674. Gjest's dam was Rita Nstb. No. 13847, and her sire was >Solidblakken Nstb. No. 1556. > >Our top breeding mare is Stine Nstb. No. 14911. Her sire was Ene, Nstb. No. >1929, and Swedish registration number S-55. Ene is a Swedish born stallion. >Ene's sire was Enok Nstb. No. 1610. And Enok's sire was Rein-Gust. Ene's dam >was Tolta Swedish reg. number S-700, and her sire was Eik S-15. His sire was >Safir, and his sire was Dyre. > >On Stine's dam sid - Her dam was Silja N-14000, whose sire was Freidig Nstb. >1723, and his sire was Solve Nstb. 1672, and his sire was Torbjorn, and his >sire was Blom. --- On the dam's sire - Silja's dam was Sally Nstb. 13234. >Her sire was Ernar. His sire was Torbjorn, and his sire was Blom. > >These two incredible Fjords (Gjest and Stine) have produced the best horses >we've ever seen --- and certainly the best we've ever produced. (Beaver >Dam Farm has had over sixty foals). One of the sons of this cross is BDF >Kanada King, who has won "Best Stallion" at the Libby, Montana show three >years running. Kanada King is now competing in dressage and doing very >well. Another beautiful son is BDF Malcom Locke, now breeding in Ohio. >There were two daughters, BDF Jennifer Ann and BDF Liza, both big and >beautiful. And finally, last year we had a gorgeous colt born from Stine >and Gjest that we named BDF Obelisk. --- As much as we've always tried to >avoid having two stallions on the farm, we've decided to keep Obelisk as an >eventual replacement for Gjest. He's beautiful, and a wonderful mover, and >has a lovely disposition, so I guess we really can't part with him. > >So, that is our connection to Swedish Fjord breeding. Stine is a >magnificent horse. She has the presence of a very proud stallion. She's >quite tall, and up-headed, and everyone ALWAYS notices her. In my just >published book, THE FJORDHORSE HANDBOOK, I've put Stine on the cover. She's >my idea of the best of the breed. --- Sorry to be so wordy, which is why I >don't contribute much. Once I get going on the subject of Fjords, I can't >rein myself in. There's just so much to say. > >Best regards, Carol > > Hi Carol !! I didn´t know that Ene had a daughter in is it England or Usa ?? ( I´m not good at geografy. ) Ene s-55 and Tolta s-700, I ´ve got the pedigrees on them five lines on them I think. You mentioned the stallion Solidblakken. He´s in some of our swedish tribes too. Gjest, what stallionline is he ?? ( Håkon Jarl N645, Håkon, Bergfast or Oyarblakken ) He seems to be a very nice stallion !! Greetings, Susanne __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
