Re: sire & dam, breeder on show programs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Putting breeding information in programs is routinely done at all larger dressage competitions and especially at championship shows. Everyone seems to read this information and it helps people be knowledgeable when they are looking to buy. Elaine Olsen
Re: Draft Show in Durango
This message is from: "Dianna Saleh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just came back from dropping in on the La Plata County Fair Draft Horse and Mule Show, in Durango, Colorado, tonight. I was very happy to see 5-6 Fjords competing and doing very well. A Fjord gelding owned by Ed Johnson in Pagosa Springs received the blue ribbon in the gelding halter class. All the Fjords were very nice horses and it was rewarding to hear the announcer repeatedly extol the virtues of the Norwegian Fjordhorse. I was too busy looking at the Fjords out back and visiting with owners to see how they all placed, but there were also nice horses owned by Aaron Taylor also in the Durango area. Dianna Saleh Fawn Creek Fjordhorses
Evaluations
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just hope we can keep the evaluations in the voluntary basis. If a person wants to, if they think that it makes their horse more valuable, they should do it. If they don't want to deal with it. That should be fine too. Misha
Re: evaluations
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, That is what we were interested in, ourselves, a conformation evaluation. Maybe all of us can figure out a way to get this done? Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
evaluations
This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, I would certainly bring several to an evaluation within 6 hours drive distance of our farm. I would also consider hosting a conformation evaluation on our farm next year, if the evaluator question is resolved. I don't have an arena large enough to meet the standard set in our evaluation rules, so could not host a performance evaluation. Jan, there are a growing number of Fjord owners in Virginia. Why don't you see if you (collectively) could host at least a conformation evaluation in your state? I'm sure Brian would support it. Right Brian??? Who else is on the list from Virginia? I am thinking that a conformation evaluation would be much less difficult to organize and host, and certainly a good place to start. Many people don't have horses trained to a level of performance to do well in a working evaluation and would only do the conformation portion anyway.
Re: Show and Evaluation Comments
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Nancy, everyone, I have a question here, as usual. :) How can Blue Earth plan an evaluation for 2000 when there are not enough evaluators? When we requested approval Wednesday evening for an evaluation, we were told the decision could not be made yet due to this very fact. Has this status now changed? Can anyone who has hosted an evaluation email me some approximate costs? We need to prepare a budget to submit to the BOD, and past experiences would be very helpful. Thanks, Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Show and Evaluation Comments
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree it would be nice to have parentage noted of the Fjords participating at shows however, coming from a sometimes overworked volunteer, it is sometimes difficult enough just getting the Registered Name of the horse being shown. I've been working on the Blue Earth show results which Cynthia asked me to post on the List, however, am trying to get the correct names of the horses in the classes first! I know it seems to be a simple job, however we've come a long way in the past 10 - 12 years. Just take a look in the back issues of the Herald! As far as addressing Lynda's comments on Evaluations, a book could be written right here. There IS expense involved in putting on an Evaluation just as there is putting on a horse show. However, an Evaluation usually has less horses than a show and of course we need knowledgable Evaluators to perform this important process, not just a local judge who might know a little about the breed. Even though the expenses seem high, the Evaluations held in 1998 did not operate in the red, so we do seem to be getting the process in order. Also take into consideration, most of the work is done by volunteers, (Gate person, Ringman, Set-up crew, people to take care of the paperwork, etc.) THANK YOU TO THE VOLUNTEERS! The Evaluations for Fjord Horses are still relatively new and we are in a growing stage - coming from hoping to have enough horses to pay the way to wondering what to do when we have too many horses to evaluate in two days. (When on the planning end of an Evaluation, there is ALWAYS something to worry about.) At this time, Blue Earth is planning on having another Evaluation in 2000 and of course will have to be in at least the first stages by January 1 to have it run smoothly. The Evaluations ARE a valuable tool to use and it is difficult for those in some parts of the country. Speaking as an exhibitor, it takes months of time to prepare your horse for an evaluation properly so there is planning on both ends. Hopefully as we go on we can address all of the issues at hand. As I said this is only a tip of the iceberg. If anyone has any specific questions, please feel free to e-mail me privately and I will help you as best I can. Nancy, from Michigan where we still need rain!
Re: sire & dam, breeder on show programs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Good Day from Carol at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - What I'm suggesting isn't complicated or expensive. Each horse at a show gets a number, and keeps it throughout the show for all the classes. Isn't that right? I ask because I haven't shown for years and could be wrong. If that's correct, then I think each horse entered in the show should be listed in the program with his #, name, age, sire & dam, breeder & owner. Example: Number - Name - Age -Sire & Dam, Breeder, owner #4 - Mickey, 4 yr. (Hobar x Nelly), Fjord Horse Farm, Jane Doe. I can't see that donations should have to be solicited to add this essential information to a show program. In addition, after each in-hand class, I think it would be tremendously educational for the parentage and breeder of each horse to be announced. If this is done after the class, how is the judge going to be influenced? And as far as that goes, I think almost all of our judges are honorable. Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Glued-on Horseshoes and Woodstock Anyone?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone- My mare, Annie, was just shoed this past week and has come up lame. We're thinking the nails may have been too close to the quick (spelling?). Anyways, the idea of putting nails into a horses hoof has always upset me and I'm wondering if any one has any information about glued-on horseshoes? I've heard of them, but have very little information. Would love some input. I'm hoping I can get Annie to a point where she won't need to wear shoes. Thanks! Also, has any one received a program guide/registration for the Woodstock, VT. show yet? A bunch of us in Central N.Y. are beginning to worry! It's something we all look forward to each year. Pat McCurdy Cato, N.Y.
Re: Evaluation Proposal
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I had my mare evaluated in the Holsteiner evaluations 12 years ago it cost me over four hundred dollars. Including the mane puller and braider, registration, stable, fellow who showed her, motel and food, plus gasoline. But she was graded third in a class of 18, entered in the Holsteiner main mare book and her value went up 5 to 10 thousand dollars plus her foals were all "brandable". ( This seems important in some circles) Pretty good value gained for $$ paid. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Re: Evaluation Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ME!! ME!! Count me in!!! It's just too far for us to travel to the Northeast or midwest. But gosh, if it were to be more centrally located in the east - say in VIRGINIA (hint, hint).. I'd bring 4 or 5, if it was where I could comfortably get to. Don't leave out us "southerners". Jan, in central Virginia
Re: Evaluation Proposal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mike, You are missing my point. Of course horses are expensive!! We all know that. We expect to pay for everything to do with a horse! My point is the evaluation costs are very high for both the host AND the owner. Since this is a "project" designed to assist in maintaining breed standards, it should be more easily accessable to people who would wish to enter multiple horses, both in regard to location AND finances. By the way, when we discussed an onfarm eval for our area, you did tell me we would have to provide stabling. Hence, I was given the impression this was yet another evaluation requirement. Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: Evaluation Proposal
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:40 PM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IF we had 25 horses, and IF each entered only one event, the price per horse would be $120 per horse, NOT counting stable rental, hotel, meals, and mileage on behalf of the owner. Seriously, everyone, how feasible is this I think you will find most of the horses that have been evaluated already have paid at least this much and probably more so I guess it IS feasible. Horses are expensive. We are going to the Woodstock show in a few weeks. The show will cost well over $1,000 before it is over by time we pay for the gas, the stall fees the class entries, the hotel & the food. That is for ONE horse and one rider/driver. Again Horses are NOT cheap.If someone told you they were they were lying to you!!! A smart man once told me that it doesn't matter how much you pay for your horse because it will end up being the cheap part in the long run. Boy was he RIGHT!!! Right off the bat a 20K truck & a 5K trailer took care of his prediction before we even left the barn. That was back in 90 or 91 too. Don't even think about the harnesses, the carts, the saddles the clothes etc, etc. HORSES ARE NOT CHEAP. They are NEVER going to be cheap either. If all the existing Fjord clubs became affiliated with the NFHR, the evaluation process could become easier. What becomes easier? The NFHR CONTROLLS the eval process every step of the way. Not exactly. It controls it to the extent that they have to all use the same equipment, same tests and ring sizes etc. Yes this is true. If it wasn't then you wouldn't be comparing apples to apples would you? The NFHR controls evaluator fees, expenses, No it does not. The Evaluators set their fees not the NFHR. ground requirements, equipment requirements, yes see above. stabling, number of horses entrants, plus more. No you will not find anything about stabling in the handbook. The number of entrants is only a guideline to make it feasible in the first place. The evaluation in and of itself is a NFHR entity! Yes it is. Therefore, the NFHR should be required to cover all expenses of evaluations minus entry proceeds. If that is to be true then the rules would even be tighter to assure expenses were met. Evaluations should not be about money, nor profit. I can tell you for sure there has NEVER been a profit made by the NFHR on any evaluation. The one in Blue Earth last year actually did have money left over. As far as I know it went to the Midwest club not the NFHR though. The goal should be to break even, while providing owners and breeders the opportunity to evaluate their horses at a reasonable cost. That is the goal right now. Break even. If the NFHR assisted with cost, the entry price would go down. But eventually something has to pay for it. Membership fees would have to go up or registration fees or something. If this is not acceptable, we propose loosening up the evaluation process. Private onfarm evaluations, On farm evaluations are allowed now. Just not private. Private would just cost you more because there would be less horses anyway. only one evaluator required, Then you are open to personality problems. To be honest there probably should be 3 of them not 2. I am certain we could all think of possible alternatives. You can't imagine how many of them have been explored already. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear kate, thanks for the input. i appreciate it. the vet says it should get better when the fall weather comes. thank you, denise
Re: condolences, fathers and poems
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "safely hidden behind their computer screens" I love your remarks Lori and Alex and I hope someday to understand why this screen can often bring out the worst in people It may be as you say, not seen therefore unleash the angers felt.about life. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Evaluation Proposal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone again, As has been asked of us, I have figured out a SIMPLE expense per horse for an evaluation in our area. Evaluator fees $1200 ($300x2x2 days) Evaluator expenses $1000 (airline fare, hotel, mealsthis IS an estimate!) Ground rental $ 400 ($200x2 days) Liability insurance $ 400 (we hope!) This alone, not counting printing, postage, equipment, comes up to $3000, and this is just an estimate. IF we had 25 horses, and IF each entered only one event, the price per horse would be $120 per horse, NOT counting stable rental, hotel, meals, and mileage on behalf of the owner. Seriously, everyone, how feasible is this This is our farm's proposal for evaluations. There should be a minimum number of evals a year..let us say 6 nationwide. This allows CONTINUAL and CONSTANT availablity for breeders/owners to evaluate their stock on a yearly basis. Afterall, foals are born every year! How serious are we, as owners, breeders, AND NFHR members if we cannot even evaluate our horses on a regular basis? If all the existing Fjord clubs became affiliated with the NFHR, the evaluation process could become easier. As there are five clubs, this would already give us access to five locations yearly, MT, MN, VT, CA, and MI. The other location might be CO, or OK, I suppose this is certainly open for thought! As affiliates, the clubs would most likely be required to pay a membership fee to the NFHR, say $100 per year. The reasoning for this affiliation is this: The NFHR CONTROLLS the eval process every step of the way. The NFHR controls evaluator fees, expenses, ground requirements, equipment requirements, stabling, number of horses entrants, plus more. The evaluation in and of itself is a NFHR entity! Therefore, the NFHR should be required to cover all expenses of evaluations minus entry proceeds. If the clubs are affiliates of the NFHR, they would obviously, by necessity, have to comply with the acceptable renting of grounds, etc. The clubs would generate funds for future shows and evaluations by hosting a show before or after each evaluation. Evaluations should not be about money, nor profit. The goal should be to break even, while providing owners and breeders the opportunity to evaluate their horses at a reasonable cost. If the NFHR assisted with cost, the entry price would go down. If this is not acceptable, we propose loosening up the evaluation process. Private onfarm evaluations, only one evaluator required, I am certain we could all think of possible alternatives. The issue is actually quite simple if we think about it. These are OUR horses. The NFHR is OUR Registry. We support IT through OUR fees. IF we want more affordable and regular evaluations, we, as members of the NFHR, will have to become more forceful in INSISTING our interests are met. Sincerely, Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise, My Baldur drinks more water than any horse at our barn. He also pees alot. Everything else is perfectly normal about him, I have always thought that he drinks so much to counteract the heat and humidity of our New England summers. Kate in CT where it's getting hot and humid again...
Re: Evaluation Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, Mike, as you know, :), our farm would be bringing at least 4, possibly more. Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: Evaluation Costs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, >From what I understand about on farm evaluations is that we must be able to provide the areas/equipment required by the NFHR, PLUS stabling for horses brought in by other farms. When this is considered, on top of liability insurance, the expense is still high. Also, even with an onfarm eval, the host is looking at $1200 dollars in evaluator salaries ($300x2x2 days) PLUS evaluator expenses, such as airline tickets, hotels, meals, etc. Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Evaluation Question
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is a informal poll. If an NFHR Evaluation was to be held in say Michigan or Ohio, How many of you would be interested in bringing horses to it? How many horses would you possibly bring? Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjords/Size
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >The point is, there are no kurrings within reasonable travel distance. >I would appreciate a seasoned second opinion, here in the backwaters >of Virginia. Well, consider us here in Alaska. I think it would be great to have a "floating evalution' with evaluators visiting areas like yours in Virginia and ours in Fairbanks, Alaska. But I guess that will never be possible. The best I can do is go to shows myself, maybe observe some evaluations and try to judge my fjords as well as I can. My friends who are breeding have different ideas about what they like in fjords than I do, but it would be nice to just have some expert outside opinions. Jean in rainy (AGAIN!) Fairbanks, Alaska, but the local Fair ends Saturday so the weather should get better :) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjords/Size
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is from Alex Wind, Shawsville VA I have a pair of Fjords, Sollyskur (Sollys for short) a 5 yr. old mare, and Gyllen a 10 yr. old gelding they are each 15.1 hands. Sollys is a Solar daughter out of Techla, a model mare by Ask 113-A. Gyllen is by Montano, out of a Solar mare, Diana. Each is a credit to the Fjord breed. They have sloping shoulders, nice pasterns, and Sollys has a beautiful floating trot. Gyllen is more gallumping, but compensates by having a steady temperament. Sollys is a fireball, for a Fjord, doing voluntary caprioles while being lunged. Now this is an owner's assessment, and biased, but where am I going to get a professional opinion? I live more miles than I care to contemplate from either Montana or Vermont. the local shows are hopeless, as we are usually placed last in "in hand" classes for being big and chunky as contrasted with the Arabs. One time I placed sixth in a "country pleasure trotting" class where everyone else was in saddleseat attire, with cutback saddles. Considering that there were eighteen in the class, and the judge had probably never seen a Fjord previously, I considered it a compliment! The point is, there are no kurrings within reasonable travel distance. I would appreciate a seasoned second opinion, here in the backwaters of Virginia. Thanks, Alex
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This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Denise, Ref: your weight gain, etc. problem, try a macrobiotic product which might help him digest his food better.
Re: Evaluation Costs
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:48 AM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Who is "you" - an owner of an individual horse would have to pay $2,000!? That is big bucks ... or is it if "they" do 25 horses at that particular eval each owner would pay about $100 for each of their horses? My example was to have a full evaluation and only evaluate one horse. The owner of that horse would have to pay the entire expense of the evaluation. If you divide the price of the entire Evaluation up between say 25 horses then it would be $80 per horse. If you have 2,000 show up it would only be $1.00 per horse. Of course it would be on LONG evaluation!!! It would be nice for owners to know what their cost was going to be in advance. They do. But the expenses are different for each area. For instance the one in VT had to cover the expense of renting the show grounds at a cost of $300 per day. In Blue Earth the cost of the grounds is free as far as I know. It is done in conjunction with the County Fair there. So right there with 25 horses for example you have a difference in expenses of $24 per horse. It seems to me that if this is to be done "right" you need to: - Set a fixed cost per horse. Set it so that should cover expenses in most cases, then keep the excess when there is any and apply it to those that cost more for whatever reason. Well this is the socialist method. The people in Vermont might be happy but I am not so sure about the Blue Earth people. - Set up a schedule of regular (say yearly) evaluations in each "region". Only possible if someone is going to step up to the task of running one of them. It isn't an easy job. Ask any of the people that have had them before. But I do think this is a great idea. - Set a minimum number of horses that have to attend in order for the evaluation to be held. This is already in place. 25 horses is the minimum now. Unless it is proven to the BOD that it can pay for itself with a lesser number. Of course, if there are no trained evaluators, this is all pretty moot. There will be. This program is NOT going to die. It will go one. It is what the members want and they will get them. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: condolences, fathers and poems
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lets try to keep it civil. When you feel like blasting, why > not try poking gently instead, and check out the results. > Alex Wind I agree Alex. I wonder how many of the mean things that get posted would be said if everyone were face-to-face around Steve's kitchen table, rather than safely hidden behind their computer screens? Lori
Re: Evaluation Costs
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote: > If you only do one horse I > expect it would cost over $2,000.00. If you do have 25 horses maybe it can > get down to say $80 - $100 per horse. Who is "you" - an owner of an individual horse would have to pay $2,000!? That is big bucks ... or is it if "they" do 25 horses at that particular eval each owner would pay about $100 for each of their horses? It would be nice for owners to know what their cost was going to be in advance. It seems to me that if this is to be done "right" you need to: - Set a fixed cost per horse. Set it so that should cover expenses in most cases, then keep the excess when there is any and apply it to those that cost more for whatever reason. - Set up a schedule of regular (say yearly) evaluations in each "region". - Set a minimum number of horses that have to attend in order for the evaluation to be held. Of course, if there are no trained evaluators, this is all pretty moot. Lori
condolences, fathers and poems
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Peg Knudsen: I feel for you and I, for one appreciate your poetry. We have to do all kinds of struggling to reach functioning level again after a loss. Those who have been through it before get to relive a little of the pain and the pride in recovery, which furthers the healing process. Thank you for the refresher course. I don't mind digressing from bloodlines and waistlines (of Fjords) for a while. I think other topics are nice, as long as they aren't acrimonious (I cut you down, you retaliate.) Lets try to keep it civil. When you feel like blasting, why not try poking gently instead, and check out the results. Best wishes and hang on to the precious memories. Alex Wind
Re: Evaluation Costs
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:47 AM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is the owner's cost per horse for an evaluation? It all depends on the expenses. If you can get an Evaluator that is fairly close then you won't have to pay for their plane tickets. If you can find an area to have one at no or low cost then it will be less. It also depends on how many horses are to be evaluated. If you only do one horse I expect it would cost over $2,000.00. If you do have 25 horses maybe it can get down to say $80 - $100 per horse. It also depends on how many performance tests are signed up for. There are just to many variables to give a real number though. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation Costs
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine Lassesen wrote: > > I can agree with the HIGH cost of the evaluation. What is the owner's cost per horse for an evaluation? Lori
Web Site updated
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Forgot to mention in my last post. The Registration rule change has been posted to the NFHR web site. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation Costs
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:17 AM 8/12/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can agree with the HIGH cost of the evaluation. We took 4 horses to the one in Eugene and it cost more than going to both Libby and Turlock. ONE reason is that they will not allow an evaluation done on a facility that a Fjord Owner would want their horse evaluated on. Dealing with the fact that there would be an advantage for the person to "SHOW ON THEIR HOME TURF". A fact that will come up but... it could save 100's of dollars, in costs... If we could get a FREE facility. I cannot see why they cannot make a ruling that confirmation could be done but not performance... What "edge" would a horse have over another in a confirmation evaluation being from the place they are evaluated in? You will be happy to know that it has been changed. You CAN have an evaluation at a farm now. You CAN even have your own stock evaluated. You can even have the performance tests if you have the facilities to do that. Here is what is going to be added to the Evaluation Handbook: "Evaluations may be held on private farms, provided they are approved by the Board of Directors and open to any NFHR member who wishes to participate." Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Horse Bloodlines at Shows
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You know what? When I wanted to find out the breeding of a horse at a show, I just went and asked the owner of the horse. It's really fun to do that because, you get to meet new people plus talk to them about the horse, plus, you get to go and visit the horse and see how he or she is close up. The owners always are thrilled to show their horses to you, you can ask questions, sometimes you find out things you don't like about the horse, and sometimes you find out things you didn't know about the horse that you like. It's a very learning experience. In a couple of situations, where I missed the owner, I jotted down what place in what event, and then when the Herald came out, I checked it out. Then, if I wanted to know more, I called the person up. I really don't think there is a need to announce bloodlines. It would take forever and be annoying to the spectators. At Libby at least, there are a lot of spectators who don't own horses that stuff doesn't mean anything to them. One thing that is funny, is that sometimes the announcer gets the horses, names mixed up if they have more than one horse in each class. That could be a problem. You know, if you are a horse breeder, it is kind of your business to know what is out there. And there are some very good horses, out of great lines that don't show at all. You can find some real gems out there. I think meeting the owners, looking at the horses in the stalls and warm up areas is my favorite part of the show. I like it even better than the actual events sometimes. Misha
Evaluation Costs
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can agree with the HIGH cost of the evaluation. We took 4 horses to the one in Eugene and it cost more than going to both Libby and Turlock. ONE reason is that they will not allow an evaluation done on a facility that a Fjord Owner would want their horse evaluated on. Dealing with the fact that there would be an advantage for the person to "SHOW ON THEIR HOME TURF". A fact that will come up but... it could save 100's of dollars, in costs... If we could get a FREE facility. I cannot see why they cannot make a ruling that confirmation could be done but not performance... What "edge" would a horse have over another in a confirmation evaluation being from the place they are evaluated in? I will only have our older stock evaluated in the future. To me personally, it was a waist of time and MONEY to have the evaluators write... "still growing" on our young stock... I could have told them that! (Strong comments, I know... they are mine not my husband's) Catherine Lassesen HESTEHAVEN - The Horse Garden --- Where we grow them just a nice, train them just as well, LOVE them just as MUCH!
NFHR Rule Change
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The NFHR BOD's have made a change to the Rules for Registration. The change is to Article I, C. The new wording is as follows: "In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the suspended list." The change is the addition of the words "or species". Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation questions
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:38 AM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list! I am not attempting to "stir the pot", but I must admit I am very confused concerning the NFHR evaluation process. I am hoping you all can enlighten me a bit. :) Well maybe not with a real BIG stick but stirring none the less. ;-) Actually I think it is time for some stirring though. All of us seem to wish more evaluations. We all seem to understand the need behind these evaluations. What I fail to understand is why are they so difficult to have on both a regular and regional basis. It appears we are lacking evaluators. Why is that? I am afraid it is because we still don't have an approved Evaluator training program in place. The Evaluation Committee has been working on this for some time now. It is one of the unfortunate parts of having to have volunteers do this sort of thing for us. All of these people have other lives besides this committee. They all have horses to take care of, they all have jobs to do. They are all very busy people just as all of the rest of us are. I do think that MAJOR advances were made last night on the NFHR BOD conference call in this area. I think you will see things start to move again very soon. I can't tell you what is being done here until some contacts are made but I don't expect the lack of Evaluators problem to exist much longer. What I see as a major national flaw here is without continual and also, regionally rotating evaluations, it is next to impossible to even come close to matching the breed standards set up by the NFHR. The only way we can have regular Evaluations is if we get the people in the various regions to run them. It is not a small task believe me. Just ask any of the previous coordinators how much work it is. Isn't this the actual "bottom line" of the NFHR, good breeding techniques, bloodlines, movement, conformation, temperment, and type? I would like to think so, along with "Genetic Purity". My next question has to do with cost. Why on earth are evaluation entries so expensive? The entry fees are based on the expenses of the evaluation. If you are lucky enough to have a place to have one that doesn't cost an arm & a leg then the per horse fees can be less. The expenses need to be covered mostly by the entry fees. I understand the evaluator fees, expenses, ground requirements, etc., but since these are evaluations which must adhere to NFHR rules, essentially forcing the host of said evaluation to also adhere to these same rules, why cannot the NFHR set aside a percentage of membership dues per year specifically for evaluation costs? Well think about it. I know it benefits everyone somewhat but does the owner of 1 or 2 geldings want part of their membership fee going to evaluate your horse? I don't really know the answer here. Maybe they don't mind. I don't think the question has ever been asked. By the way a portion of your membership fee already does go to the evaluation program. There has been a lot of money spent on the development of the program. All of that money came from the membership & registration/transfer fees. I am NOT saying the evaluation entries should be free by any means, but I do believe they should be more affordable so people would be more inclined to enter more horses and also, more classes. Well what ideas do you have to make them more affordable? Yes the NFHR has setup the rules to have one but what would you change if you were in the drivers seat? I have heard more times than I can count statements such as, "There are never evaluations in my area." "There are not enough evaluations." "I would enter more horses and classes if the entries were not so expensive." "I have been waiting to have my horse/s evaluated, but there has not been any evaluations." I have heard these questions a lot more than anyone can imagine I am sure. My answer is usually of course the one they don't want to hear though - and that is: "Well why don't you organize one in your area? So far not to many people have said "Oh that's a great idea, where do I start?" I would really appreciate any input. Hopefully this has helped or at least answered some questions for you. Also, I would like to seriously discuss the cost of these evaluations. Discuss away. How would you propose to reduce them? Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
