Re: Glory Bits Price
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: SUSAN L GIARGIARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 3rd ring was cut off by Dick,welder by trade, and filed down. He had cut of the bottoms of some of the liverpools , but sometimes you need to drop down a hole to get the extra leverage? or just confidence , depending on the situation you are in. Gee, so many inyeresting things discussed tonite! Susan, I too have cut off the bottom hole, or dead mans loop, as I was told ages ago in a drving clinic w/ Pat James Lewis. If we even ever thought of putting the rein thru that loop,we shouldn't be driving at all. Period. Start back at ground zero. When I was a learner TD at an ADS event a few years back, I was monitoring the pre-marathon safety check. We had two drivers come thru with some really ghastly set-ups. One lady driving a fjord, had her reins on the 3rd loop of her liverpool and curb chain so tight that I don't think we could have slid a credit card under it! The other entry, driving a Morgan, was using a butterfly on the 3rd slot. Both drivers were asked to either change the rein/curb settings, or retire. Well, they complied, and survived - barely. I do like the butterfly bit, but on more delicate headed horses, I think even the 2 loop looks a little heavy. Really like mullen mouthed driving bits allot. Kimberwickes are OK, and some even have a true mullen mouth, but most are low-ported. Yes, I had my go-round with my Trakehner gelding re. getting his tongue over the bit! pretty embarassing to have to get out not once, but twice during your dressage test to fix the problem! Learned my lesson - in front of George Bowman, no less... __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: bits
This message is from: Carl and Sarah Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] one thing I learned is to not use a so-called 'colt' bit, or Tom Thumb bit. A waste of time. Spend more time in the snaffle and hackamore. I found this to be very true. One of the bits we tried was a Tom Thumb after my trainer rode Lara with this bit for less than 5 minutes, she declared waste of time. I haven't even been able to give it away! ha ha. We are pursuing training Lara at this time with a hackamore, and I'm researching and may be ordering a Glory Butterfly bit. I would like to thank all of you for responding and sharing your experiences, advice and thoughts in answer to my questions. I really appreciate it. Sarah Nagel having fun learning in chilly, sunny Northern Idaho
Re: bits LTJ and more
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I recommend looking into Linda Tellington-Jones methods of ground training. We have used it quite successfully with Tank who was not halter broken when we bought him. The wand is very good for teaching a Fjord to mind his pace and your space. Cynthia, I really think this is one of the best ways to halter break ANYTHING, especially a fjord !!! One reason it works so well, is that they learn without pressure and resistance, which as all of you know all too well, is the 'fjord thing' they seem to base their existance on! They really lock - on to the wand, (butt end of the dressage whip), and eventually transfer their attention to your body movement and voice commands. Someone mentioned the teeter-totter awhile back. I combine this, as well as walk over logs, plastic tarps, (essentially anything SAFE that a horse can be around, but that is not in his usual context of day-to-day stuff),along with the LTJ wand style of training. I start them right after they are weaned. Two years in a row now, my weanling fillies have won the 2 and under leadline trail class at Turlock. Right now,I have 5 weaners in my care: 3 fjords,1 Mongolian/Hucol cross colt and a arab filly.(Only one of the fjords is mine.)My friend , and ancient wise cowboy that he is, Bruce, is helping me out allot with these guys. He's introduced rope training as well, gently roping each foot,neck or mid-section and taking and releasing it. Boy, are they easier to trim now! Another thing he does, is rope an object and draw it towards the colt or filly. He does this very quietly and slowly until they learn to watch it come up to them. We figure we may have a good rope horse one day... I have also used the LTJ method to re-school spoiled horses, and with some of these guys,the stud chain IS put on the halter, and the butt-end of the dressage whip DOES come into play, until they learn that not running over you is the RIGHT thing to do. Happy fjording, Karen __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Cantering
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to read this article; can you tell me where I can find it? Thank you, Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cantering Date: Wed, Oct 20, 1999, 8:36 AM I recently read that the plates in a horse's spine are not fully developed (or closed) until almost 6 year's of age, so getting on their backs at 2 yrs. doesn't seem like a sound idea.
bits
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess that some of you would be in a state of shock to know that I ride Sven western in a 2 1/2 Mona Lisa port bit with 7 1/2 's' shanks. He goes very well in this bit. He was 'fitted' for this bit by the fellow who helped me start him western, Dick Deller, who won a slew of hackamore bridle stockhorse classes in the 40's - 50's. Kinda knew what he was doing as far as fitting a bit to a mouth,as compared to me, (one bit fits all, snaffle bit/dressage background). Dick fiddled around for quite awhile with Sven, and he has a gorgeous wall 'o bits - (eat your heart out, Jean!) He tried several with mild ports, and didn't get anywhere until he used a straight up, half-breed Las Cruces bit. Sven was like butter. Unfortunately, Dick didn't want to part with this bit, and found me a re-worked US Cavalry bit,which is allright, but not quite what the other bit was like. One day, I'll have one made... I ride my mare, Tise, in a 2 Salinas port w/ cricket and loose grazing shanks.( Got REAL lucky at a garage sale!) I brought her into the bridle on my own this time, and one thing I learned is to not use a so-called 'colt' bit, or Tom Thumb bit. A waste of time. Spend more time in the snaffle and hackamore. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Cantering
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adding to what has said about waiting to ride horses...I recently read that the plates in a horse's spine are not fully developed (or closed) until almost 6 year's of age, so getting on their backs at 2 yrs. doesn't seem like a sound idea.
Re: Fjordhorse Bloodlines
This message is from: Brigid Verry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great idea, and I was so pleased to see all your stallions points noted, the positive and negatives. Thanks for a delightful description. Kiwi Brigid
Re: Cantering
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] A two year old, in my opinion, is not really mature enough to be balanced or coordinated, might still be somewhat butt high. Since Fjords don't really mature fully until they are 6 or 7, seems that it might be wise to work them very lightly at two and not expect too much at that age. If the trainer is used to starting quarter horses at 2, he may be asking too much. (I personally don't think even a Quarter horse should be ridden at 2, but at least they mature a little earlier than Fjords) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska with big snowflakes floating down: More snow, I want More snow! At 10:53 AM 10/19/1999 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Teressa Kandianis [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big guy, 2 yo Merit, is now at the trainer's barn. He is doing quite well at the walk and trot. The trainer told me he was prone to tripping which I recalled much discussion went on here on the list. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Equus Magazines
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have any of the following Equus magazine issues: 6 (Apr 78) 11 (Sept 78) 85 (Nov 84) 148 (Feb 90) 160 (Feb 91) 234 (Apr 97) I would like to acquire these to complete my collection. Also I have extras of the following Equus issues I can offer for sale or trade: 9 (July 78) 38 (Dec 80) 114 (Apr 87) 117 (July 97) 156 (Oct 90) Please contact me directly if interested. Thanks, Lori mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjordhorse Bloodlines
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Lindsay Sweeney posted the other day in hopes of inspiring a round of talk on some of the prominent Fjord bloodlines we have in North America. I think that's a great idea - both interesting and educational. I'd like to suggest that she and I start off by discussing our two stallions, GJEST and SOLAR. The reason for suggesting these two stallions is that they have so very much in common. They're the same age, born in 1977. Both born and bred in Norway. Both approved as breeding stallions in Norway. Both purchased by the Netherlands Fjordhorse Studbook for breeding. Both stood in Holland as Studbook Stallions for several years making an important contribution there. Both purchased by Americans and imported to the U.S. Both have sons standing in Holland as APPROVED STUDBOOK STALLIONS. (A remarkable feat considering there are only about 44 Approved Stallions in the Netherlands) --- Gjest's approved son, the stallion, Fjellwin, died this past winter. Both Gjest and Solar have done a lot of breeding in North America and significantly contributed to the gene pool here. Both stallions are thorougly proven having produced hundreds of quality offspring. Both have received First Place Blue Ribbons at Woodstock Both have won 'Get of Sire Classes' (Solar has won more as he's been shown more.) OK, so what are the characteristics of the two stallions? I'll start with a few facts on Gjest. Sire: Helgas Jarl #1764 Sire's Sire Line: Helgas Jarl 3 pr. #1764 - Vosse-Lars 1674 1. pr. - Enok 1610 1. pr. Rein-Gust 1184 2 pr. Sire's Dam's Sire Line: Sollidblakken 1558 2 pr. - Malm 1071 2 pr. Bergfast 635 2 pr. - 1. avk. pr. (for offspring) Dam: Rita 13847 Dam's Sire Line: Sollidblakken 1556 2 pr. - Malm 1071 2. pr. - Bergfast 635 2 pr. 1 awk. pr. - Dalegubben 502 2 pr. Dam's Dam's Sire Line: Ulabrand 1380 2 pr. Hei 1105 2 pr. Groven 982 3 pr. --- Height: 144 cm. (14.1 h) Canon: 21 cm. (8 1/4) Type: A Real Fjord - Having the bone and temperament to do farm work, as well as the necessary athleticism and suppleness for riding and driving. Movement: Extremely good! Temperament: Gjest is a very serious stallion. Very focused. By that I mean, he takes each and every job and throws his heart and soul into it. His major job is to be a Herd Sire, and this he takes most seriously of all. For example - Gjest runs himself to skin and bones each breeding season attempting to keep all the mares on the place in his sight. He's the same when we ride and drive him on the farm. If he's with the mares riding or driving, he's calm and content. If the mares leave him, he's upset. If we're away from the farm competing or for any other reason, and there are no Fjord mares around, he's a pussy cat. He pays no attention whatsoever to Morgan mares, TB mares, whatever. His job is to take care of Fjord mares, and that's all that concerns him. He can stand next to a brown, black, or grey mare and not even notice her. This 'seriousness of purpose' also applies to his driving, riding, jumping, draft work. He really does throw his soul into everything he does. WHAT POSITIVE TRAITS DOES GJEST PASS ON? * Good Movement * Athleticism * Heavy Bone * Good working attitude - desire to move forward work hard * Size * Substance WHAT NEGATIVE TRAITS DOES GJEST PASS ON? * Long body if bred to long-bodied mare. * Most offspring tend to look like the mare. OK if the mare's good looking. Naturally, a stallion of this calibre will have many more POSITIVE traits than NEGATIVE ones. However, I think it's vitally important that everybody should realize that even THE BEST STALLINS are NOT PERFECT. As Bob van Bon once said, If I ever find the perfect horse then I will shoot it, because that will be the end of breeding. -- And the French say this about horses, and absolutely everything else in life - Parfait n'existe pas. (Perfect doesn't exist.) Regards, Carol Rivoire As a very serious breeder (too serious, some say), I find all this information interesting, and I hope Lindsay responds, and then we get more information about some of the other stallions that have been used enough in North America to make a contribution. --- King Harald, Gjestarson, for example. Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Congrats
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all - Just wanted to congratulate you, Jackie, on your upcoming coming trip. What a great representation for you and for our breed! Good luck! And to you, Tami; what could be more exciting than welcoming the world's most beautiful Fjord! How do they do it? You'll have a fine time with her, training, grooming, talking, and just plain messing with her. My favorite time, being a night person, is about 11:00 pm, out under the stars, hanging out and sharing. My mood doesn't matter, it's always soothing to be with them under our big sky. Best wishes! And you, Ms. Gayle Ware, better watch out! I love Ellensburg, but really miss my beach rides, racing pell mell down the sand. So you may find me showing up on your doorstep too - do you have room for Beth And me? Finally, sanity may be just around the corner at our place! Kitchen and dining room floor goes down today, gas line comes in for the stove top [we are experts on microwave cooking], and the carpet arrives on Friday! Can downstairs toilets be far away? Cheers, Peg
Re: Collars
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can the answers to this be posted to the list. I bought Julia Will's harness - and have no collar for the hames. And no idea where to find one. Have a draft book that must talk about measuring somewhere - but no clue where to buy. Gail At 10:33 AM 10/19/1999 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I'm looking for information on Collars (the all-purpose, leather type for pulling). I would like to ask the folks with more knowlege on this subject than I, about measuring for a collar, the best place to purchase one, etc. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
Re: Cantering
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My horse had a lot of trouble learning to canter while being ridden. This year she is 6 and more balanced. A friend of mine gave me a helpful hint on getting the canter. In order to circle to the left, the outside leg is back, the inside (left) leg is at the girth,giving the cue (bump). The extra help is given by a tap with the whip on the inside shoulder. This was a relevation for us. Now we can do the canter on both leads. You also have to make sure you are not leaning forward at all. Even lean back slightly. I realize this is probably not following some dressage rules or whatever, so don't criticize me too much. All I know is that it worked for us. She is also a tripper, by the way Suzan
Re: Cantering
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think tripping at the trot and difficulty cantering go hand in hand with some Fjords. I attribute it to conformation issues, and the type of mover you have, although I am sure some would argue that point. I think you have to have someone knowledgeable evaluate your horse as a riding prospect and if you decide to use him that way, be prepared for extra work in keeping him balanced and off his forehand as he becomes trained. One of my Fjords is like this and it can get better, but it is always an issue and he has had some bad trips that real jerk the rider's neck, so be careful! Elaine Olsen
Cantering
This message is from: Teressa Kandianis [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big guy, 2 yo Merit, is now at the trainer's barn. He is doing quite well at the walk and trot. The trainer told me he was prone to tripping which I recalled much discussion went on here on the list. Fortunately, I had printed those topics and can give him the info other listers had about feet trimming, tripping and youngsters and tripping. He is also reluctant to canter - I do recall quite a discussion about age related training with these guys and how patience brings great rewards but for some reason, didn't print those missives. What is the deal with two year olds and cantering? He also has a choppy trot - the trainer characterizes it as pony like. I also remember threads discussing this but also don't have the postings printed. Thanks for feedback. Teressa Kandianis from sunny, cool Ferndale, WA.
Glory Bits Price
This message is from: SUSAN L GIARGIARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List! Just a quick note, promise! You can get a butterfly bit from Smuckers in PA for only $37 plus shipping! Really! I got 5 of them for our 3 and 4 abreast that we do when we do our haying or wagon rides. We have tried to use snaffle bits but they pull sideways out of their mouths, without much pressure on the reins and the mares always have their mouths going. When we were driving them with a liverpool driving bit, they were quiet in the mouth. Only problem is the head rubbing and the checking out my neighbor syndrome, even thought they have been in the pasture together for the last 7 years!! The shank on the liverpool would catch on some inevitable part of the other's bridle, rein, harness or whatever. I know you can use some kind of a stick between the horses heads, but I don't like them. The butterfly bits have large rounded rings in a row, so anything it catches on usually will slide right off. The ones I got had 3 rounded rings together on the side. Now remember, these are not the skinny rings in a row found on the liverpool pool bits. Some liverpool bits have a rectangle shank with oblong slots, some have rounded thin ovals in a row.The 3rd ring was cut off by Dick, welder by trade, and filed down. He had cut of the bottoms of some of the liverpools , but sometimes you need to drop down a hole to get the extra leverage? or just confidence , depending on the situation you are in. Oh Well! So much for a quick note! Hope this helps! Sue G.
glory bit
This message is from: Tish Pasqual [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Jean, you are correct, it is the mullen shaping that gives the comfort for the tongue. I must have been flashing back to the trainer/high port liverpool that she had him in - no doubt another reason he likes his glory so well! By the way, my understanding is that the glory bit is actually made of bronze (a mixture of copper and tin), not brass (which is a mixture of copper and zinc) (all courtesy of the CD-L archives) Tish and Elph/Mpls
bits LTJ and more
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debi, I use a KK French link on Tank for riding and liverpool mullen (bought from Jean Earnst who has converted to glory bits). These work well on him. I use the snaffle rein on the liverpool and can change it lower if need be , but haven't had to for a while. The liverpool was a little long in the shank for my taste so I had my farrier shorten it for me and it looks quite good. About your mare being pushy in halter, I recommend looking into Linda Tellington-Jones methods of ground training. We have used it quite successfully with Tank who was not halter broken when we bought him. The wand is very good for teaching a Fjord to mind his pace and your space. Once in a while we need to have a little refresher course (especially before my granddaughters come for their annual visit) and in the Spring. Good luck with you new horse! Jackie, have fun and best wishes at your competition. BTW, I bought an amish made road cart brand new and very well made for around $1300. I use it for trail driving, pleasure shows and CDE. It will do it all. Write me if you interested in more information. AND I love my new beta biothane harness, the same one Tish just boughtt. It is very handsome as well as easy to clean! Cynthia Madden Omaha, Nebraska USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Glory bits and Waggoner's address
This message is from: Tish Pasqual [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Glory bit was raved about by many as a great bit for driving, if you want to read the full deal on it check out this website (it is TrotOn, home to the CD-L, Carriage Driving List http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/Archives/cd-l.html) ; you can search the archives by typing in Glory bit. In fact, if you want a full running discussion of tongue over bit, just type that in. Some of the people on this list are very high-powered driving folks, and reading the archives is a great way to get all kinds of driving information. The cost of the Glory was $80 shipped, and it is really a beautiful thing - surprisingly big, and it looks cast. The high port really helps with the tongue over the bit - something I have seen a surprising number of times, not a good thing. The maker was very familiar with this problem and he said that some breeds just have thick tongues and it is uncomfortable for them and they will work to free their tongues. If you just want to talk to the maker about them or order one, his phone and address are Ray Johnson Glory Metal Works RFD 1 Box 200 Plymouth, NH 03264 USA 603-536-2665 or fax 603-726-3766. He has made quite a few of them for Fjords. When I say Elph is going well in it, I mean he mouths the bit, seems content to hold it in his mouth, I can be extremely soft with my hands and he responds to me, and, he has never put his tongue over it! The Waggoner's address is http://www.minihorses.com/Text/wagoner.html. Dale is who I worked with and the cart was shipped very promptly. Good luck! Tish and Elphie in Minneapolis
Re: rabbits
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry you guys! Meant to send this to Jean privately. Forgot to check the to line in the address. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
PS...on the collar question
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, I forgot to askFull Sweeney or half? What type is best for fjords? Thanks, Ingrid
rabbits
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Mary, I have pheasant here and one who keeps trying to crow like a rooster to lure my hens to his den. Has not fooled them yet and he sounds quite silly. Have not seen brown rabbits but they would be foolish to come in with the dogs. There are some over on grange road, but they are tame ones released and have mostly disappeared now. Jean, So that's where the rabbits on Grange Road came from. My daughtere was wondering whether they were tame ones or wild ones. They also have a cock pheasant in the woods to the west of their house. She and her husband recently bought the yellow house on the north side of the road that has been empty for a couple of years - first house on the left after Hill Road. It really is a nice house and they love having all the space around it. They only have cats right now, but Jason plans to build a kennel and have a duck hunting dog eventually, plus some little goats he says. The one tiny young doe that came in the field last year terrified my big Charley horse, who hid in the barn and had white showing in his rolled back eyes. How funny! Glendar runs from them if they startle him by leaping into his pen - otherwise he just looks at them ready to flee if they threaten him. Sindar and Line just take a good look and then go back to whatever they were doing. Sindar would make a great hunting horse, as he can spot and point a deer before anyone else has a clue they're around. With the coyotes gone and hunting season in full swing, we have a small group of deer in Watson's back pasture this fall. Boy, are they wild!! Darn things have been eating the branch tips off of my willow trees though. Fred blamed it on Line, but she never looks twice at my trees - I knew it had to be deer. Now that the ground is damp in the mornings I can see their tracks. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Collars
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I'm looking for information on Collars (the all-purpose, leather type for pulling). I would like to ask the folks with more knowlege on this subject than I, about measuring for a collar, the best place to purchase one, etc. OR...better yet, does anyone have a new/ or used collar they would like to find a new home for? It doesn't have to be terribly pretty, but comfortable and functional for a draftier type, 13.3 hd. fjord. As always...thanks a bunch! Ingrid in Ohio
Re: Advertisment...Holiday Fjord cards
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My daughter loves the Fjord. I was thinking of what to get her for Christmas. Your all occasion note cards would be a perfect gift. Could you please send me your samples and the purchase info. Gwen Reid 15 Fairchild Avenue Toronto, Ontario M2M 1T5 Canada Thanking you in advance. -- From: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fjordhorse List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Advertisment...Holiday Fjord cards Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:50 PM This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Advertisement for Fjord cards: Hi everyone...time to start thinking about the (gasp!) holidays, and it's not too early to order cards. If you'll visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/1362/holidaycards.html you'll find 3 different card designs offered. I can be contacted by e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or you can send a request by snailmail and I'll send you all the information, along with samples. Here is my address: Ingrid Ivic 10052 N.Station Rd., Columbia Station, Ohio 44028 The holiday cards (blank inside) are sized 5 1/2 x 6, and are offered in sets of 10 with matching envelopes. They are $14.95 plus $4 shipping and handling. Order 3 sets or more and receive a 10% discount. 5 sets or more...and the shipping and handling is free! All 3 designs are available in all occasion notecards as well (minus the holiday themes, of course) and are blank inside. Letterhead designs are forthcoming also...stay tuned. End of advertisement...thanks for listening!Ingrid of Full Moon Fjords Farm :o)
NFHR.com Update
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] The new officers of the NFHR have been elected. The NFHR web site has been updated to show the changes to the NFHR BOD the officers of the NFHR. Her is the link to the site: http://www.nfhr.com/bod.html Mike
Re: carts and bits
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carl and Sarah Nagel wrote: ... She has a problem with putting her tongue over the bit and then getting very upset about that. I would try her in a Glory Butterfly bit - the mullen mouthpiece curves slightly up away from the tongue. She maybe getting her tongue over the bit in trying to evade too much tongue pressure. The Glory may solve this. I ordered mine from Ray Johnson, Glory Metal Works, 603-726-3766 Lori
Re: best of luck Jackie!
This message is from: Jackie Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Ingrid -- I'm leaving next Monday (25th) to compete at the Australian Dressage Championships for Disabled Riders in Sydney. I'll be back on 6th November. If I do well in these championships I have a good chance to make the Paralympics next year so here's hoping!!! Jackie Kennedy Hi there Jackie...here's wishing you the best of luck. Have a great time...Ingrid :o)
Re: I'm going no mail soon
This message is from: Jackie Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Lynda -- This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck Jackie!! Lynda
