Re: fjord blood values
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA Hi Jean My, balmy at 30 degrees?? I can't imagine! Thanks for your reply and info; it definetly helped. I just posted to the list, and there was a consenus re: different breeds and blood values. I'm a nurse, but for humans. Much as I can do a bit of critical thinking on medical issues, I find horses can be different...so wan't sure what to think. On top of that, my TB with skin and allergy issues and the 23 y/o POA had perfect labs...it gave me pause to think about why my youngest and robust horse (fjord) would be different! Thanks again and enjoy the tropical weather in Alaska! Cheryl Garnica in S Cal From: "jern...@mosquitonet.com" To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 9:51:01 AM Subject: Re: fjord blood values This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Cheryl, My Fjords have always had low red blood cell counts, and I believe that is normal for them. I have a reference somewhere that gives RBC averages for various breeds and draft horses generally do have "low normal" levels. Keep in mind that Red Blood Cells are stored in the spleen and when the horses is excited or puts out a greater effort in exercise (race horses, for example) the spleen supplies extra red cells. If the blood sample is taken when the horse is excited quite likely the Hematocrit will be a lot higher than when he is calm. >From an article in "THE HORSE": "Many racehorse trainers rely heavily on repeated measurements of certain blood parameters for assessment of fitness and readiness for racing. In particular, red blood cell count, hemoglobin concentration, and packed cell volume (all indicators of the horse's capacity to transport oxygen in the blood) are measured on a routine basis. While it is true that exercise training is associated with small increases in these indices, resting values for red cell count and hemoglobin concentration cannot be used to assess fitness and are unreliable for prediction of the horse's capacity to transport oxygen during exercise. Up to one-third of the horse's red blood cells are stored in its spleen; this red cell reservoir is pumped into circulation at the onset of exercise, providing a tremendous boost in oxygen-carrying capacity. Thus, only blood samples taken during exercise can serve as a reliable indicator of total red cell numbers." Hope this helps! Jean in balmy Fairbanks Alaska, will be +30 again! > > Hi List > My fjord gelding had a routine blood panel drawn with his wellness > visit. To > the vets and my surprise, his red blood cell count was a bit on > the low side > (RBC 5.66) which she considered borderline anemic (normal > 6.18-9.53). Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
fjord blood values
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA Hi List My fjord gelding had a routine blood panel drawn with his wellness visit. To the vets and my surprise, his red blood cell count was a bit on the low side (RBC 5.66) which she considered borderline anemic (normal 6.18-9.53). His fibrinogen was slightly elevated as was his WBC..both on the high end of normal which may be indicative of infection. This is a robust guy, so we are both scratching our heads. No change in food, habits, etc. Good quality hay, daily vitamins. He is definetly NOT overworked3x/week ...needs more saddle time if anything. She thought it a good idea to put his to the experts on the list as she has not had experience with other fjords and blood values. Does anyone have any info or experience with fjords, lab values, or ideas? She suggested Red Cell supplement for the anemia. I was thinking the dust may be an issue with the fibrinogen or WBC. My TB mare has a teary eye issue that improved a bit with keeping shavings dust down. Appreciate any ideas or explanations for my otherwise healthy appearing fjord hunk! Cheryl in S. Cal Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Vestlandshest Fall Newsletter deadline is Oct. 10
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA Hi Karen Got your message, and I deleted it accidentally. Could you give me your phone #? Or,You can email me the amount you need for the check, who to make it out to, where to send, etc. Hope all is well. Fallbrook Silver Spurs is having a show this coming Sunday...not sure if I will make it, my dad is coming down..sounds like a lot of fun and mostly YOUNG riders...I wouldn't have a chance! Fun anyway! Cheryl --- On Mon, 10/5/09, reviv...@thegrid.net wrote: From: reviv...@thegrid.net Subject: Vestlandshest Fall Newsletter deadline is Oct. 10 To: "fjord List" , "fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 9:23 AM This message is from: reviv...@thegrid.net Hi folks, Just a reminder that the deadline for the Vestlandshest fall newsletter is Saturday, October 10th. This newsletter is the New Arrivals issue, so members - send me your cute baby pictures. Also, members can submit free classified advertisements of horses or horsey items. The fall issue will also have the results and pictures from the July evaluation in Fallbrook. If you would like to join Vestlandshest, your membership dues will cover the rest of 2009 as well as 2010. Contact Cheryl Garnica at cheryl...@sbcglobal.net or me at reviv...@thegrid.net for an application form. Thanks! Karen Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Vestlandshest correction
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA Hey all Appologies to all: to Steve and list for not trimming message...that was supposed to be a private message to Kathy Kramer re: dues and book keeping question, not intended for the list. I would like to clarify that message also: Kathy has done so much for the fjord community and particularly Vestandshest to promote the breed. Though our propsed evalluation did not take place last year, she worked hard to try to make it a reality. She is doing the same this year (hope everyone is reading the emails she has sent and coming to So. Cal in July!) to make this event happen. I did not mean to imply Kathy was responsible for errant dues! I've been doing the books for 8 months, and noticed over the years most folks pay up the first of the yearthus my comment that "it is probably time to pay up anyway"...intended for our members, not Kathy. I know her as an upstanding member with NFHR and Vestlandshest. Sincere appologies to Kathy and the list. We need people as enthusiastic as her! Cheryl Garnica in S. Cal Vestlandshest Treasurer My deepest applogies to Kathy and the list. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: someone asking about Vestlandshest dues
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA Hi Kathy Got an email form a Martha Bowman asking when she last paid dues for Vestalndshest...I don't see her on the books at all which go back to 2005. She mentioned she may have given a check to someone last year, never got a newsletter, mentioned someone named "Kathy"...Know anything? Probably time to pay up anyway! Thanks Cheryl --- On Thu, 4/23/09, whup...@aol.com wrote: From: whup...@aol.com Subject: California Evaluation To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:45 PM This message is from: whup...@aol.com Hello all Plan your vacation now and get your horse evaluated. Disneyland, Knottsberry Farm and Seaworld are approximately 1 hour away. Casino's and hotels just down the street. If you want to camp bathroom and showers on site. Some electric hookups (First come first serve basis) Lots of room to park Evaluation information so far is tentatively July 25 and 26, 2009. Held at Fallbrook Rider's Field, Fallbrook, Ca. First day Conformation and Movement, and the second day will be Performance. You can move horses in on the 24th. Contact Jayne Woellhof-Olson evaluation coordinator at 760-685-6635 or email her _mbffjo...@gmail.com_ (mailto:mbffjo...@gmail.com) I can't wait to see all of you and meet all the people I talk to through the years. This should be a really fun event. Kathy West Coast Fjords Katherine Kramer 23355 Modoc Ct. Perris, CA 92705 phone (951) 657-2566 ll (951) 316-6616 **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Vestlandshest meeting Sunday, Feb 1
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA See you there! cheryl --- On Tue, 1/27/09, reviv...@thegrid.net wrote: From: reviv...@thegrid.net Subject: Vestlandshest meeting Sunday, Feb 1 To: "fjord List" , "fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com" , "Linda Adame" , "Jon Anderson" , "Jenny Barnes" , cowanh...@yahoo.com, fjo...@inreach.com, "Donna Fenich" , "Green Valley Farm" , "Bob & Cindi Frojd" , "Cheryl G" , "Lauren Haggerty" , "Jim & Judith Jeude" , "Kathy Kramer" , "Dalie Mathan" , "Dorothy McPherson-Donnell" , "Bitten Nors" , "larry pool" , "Karen & John Schweikle" , "Laura Sokol" , "npso...@aol.com" , "mi...@earthlink.net" , "Carl & Rondi Tyler" , "cynthia vallecillo" , "Jayne Olson" Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:38 PM This message is from: reviv...@thegrid.net Hi everyone, This is a reminder that the next Vestlandshest meeting is scheduled to be held during Equine Affaire in Pomona next Sunday, February 1st at 11:30 a.m. We will meet outside at the tables between the vendor buildings 5 and 8. Included on the agenda will be discussion of plans for Vestlandshest in 2009. If you plan on eating lunch during the meeting, please be ready promptly at 11:30 as we have a lot to cover during the meeting and folks will want to get back to the clinics or shopping. Bring your ideas and we hope to see you there! Karen Haines Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Ca wildfires
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just saw the offers for places to stay from fjord owners. You guys are tops , good info on evacuations, I'm learning. Lisa, please tell your hubby all of us who evac'd are in AWE of the firefighters out there and never enough thanks for them. I don't know how they do it. Sherrif and National guard came out and blocked roads...looters were prowling. Big thanks to them too. Drove to Santa Barbara Sunday with high winds blowing my truck on the road, kinda scarey, and return drive black smoke skies through freeway by Malibuit burns alot unfortunately. You get used to hearing about it. When could see fire from the freeway in Irvine (Orange County) about 60 miles north of me around 7:30 PM, really started me thinking this is bad. I'ts a long way from Malibu, new firehoped not in my area, but by 5:30 AM they started here, and I think around the county on Sunday. My neighbor called and said I needed to start getting animals and kids ready to goit burned the house across the street in 15 minutes of their evac notice 12 yrs. ago with the bad fires. Our reverse 911 call didn't come until later that afternoon...was on the answering machine! to Sara: I have thought about you and hope all is OK, keep us posted. She is right, there is no safe place and even though I was allowed back, I am still uneasy. Hard to worry about horses in 2 different places...I am in same situation. Slept on sofa, one eye on TV news. Had to get out Monday early, was at Del Mar fair/track grounds by 9:30 and already no room at the (horse) inn...only for people; had 2 of mine with me. Saw people parked in beach parking lots with horses tied up (hey, not a bad idea!) Headed to Pendleton they were ready for 250 horses plus owners. The military help and stable master were awesome. Camped in the truck with trailer attached just in case. Was allowed to go and check the house later with ID, military with rifles guarding entry roads to protect from looting. Allowed to return home yesterday afternoon (Olivenhain ). Went up to San Marcos to check my fjord (in bootcamp himself) as fires around him too, but luckily the barn was safe and taking in horses.They told me they started evacuating Pendleton about an hour after I left. This is scarey stuff. Still uneasy, heard possible Santa Ana next week. Heard my vets house burned down...probably right when I saw her helping everyone else get horses out. Terrible. Will spend today clearning tubleweeds, limbs, brush I think . Found a 2x4" burnt piece of wood in one of my horses corrals yesterday when I returned. Closest fires between 4-6 miles from my homegives you an idea of what the winds were like to carry that here! It was like a hurricane Monday about 1:30 AM...heard a boom, went to check horses, my neighbor had a 40 ft eucalyptus fall on his fence. I worried the barn roof would fly off, it was that bad. Reminded me of 'Dorothy and the wizzard of Oz. Magnificent and horrible at the same time.If this sounds disjointed, it's still all a blur and not much sleep. The good parta few fjords came in from a therapeutic riding center in Bonsall I never heard of before and got to meet the people and fjordies! How cool is that?? Calmly eating, natch.there are some fjord owners in Fallbrook, Pauma Valley and Bonsal evac'd...hope they are OK. Wish well to anyone displaced and thanks again to all firefighters, military, sherriff and those who pitched in to help. Hope everyone returns home safe. Cheryl in S. Cal The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
more moles!
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Timely topic! Yesterday I was riding the kids POA who shyed, went backwards and sideways same time, (should have been on the fjord!) stepped into a gopher hole, lost my balance and fell on my head (with helmet, hooray!) My experiences: Certified specialist exterminator: (only 2 licensed in my area) ; he used bait or smoked them. Had to hound him to return, he is that busy but too expensive for the results (monthly fee). Electric/sonic stakes: didn't work well for a friend; you'd spend a fortune for anything other than a postage stamp sized yard to keep them at bay (they'll just party at the neighbors until your batteries run out!) Barn Owls: our city has a program; you can purchase owl boxes for your trees to install. I have an owl family in one of the palms (no box) but they always fly away from my property to hunt at night. I like this option to poisons, but I'd need flocks to do the job here, it's terrible. I think they are territorial so haven't put in a box. Heard but not tried: Chew some Juicy Fruit gum, stick it in the gopher/mole hole. They eat it , it blocks their intestines, they die ( morbid!) I'd have to own the gum factory to fill all their holes here. Trapping: My friend the "expert" trapper says it's his tried and true method. I should count my blessings that I don't have ground squirrels and fire ants to boot! Open to other suggestions. Cheryl in S. Cal The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Barefoot trimming
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My fjord and POA had always gone barefoot. My TB seemed to lose shoes alot in the winter with the mud, so last couple of years pulled them for the rainy season (if you can call it that in S. Cal) Her feet would look just awful. Last 2 visits my vet has tried to tell me how all the horses feet should be trimmed, and thought my farrier's did all the horses wrong. She had recommended someone who does barefoot trim, and have had him out now twice. I could see the difference in all their feet the first trim (and I am terrible at judging unless it is grossly out of proportion or long toes). Can't believe the difference in the TBs feet! Even I could see the difference after the first trim in the shape. Have held up in the rain and the mud. The web site I think Jean posted; that TB looks exactly like mine from the star his face to the before picture of the feet! I can't say I notice spectacular differences in gaits, but haven't ridden that much due to the weather. Boy, will be expecting some fancy dancing dressage moves from all your testimonials (ha!) I thought it would be cheaper (with no shoes) but it's not. The TBs feet needed to be done at 4 wks, and next trim will be 5 to whip them into shape. It runs me a little more, but worth it.By the way..the farrier LOVES those fjord feet! Says rock hard and he should never need shoes! Cheryl in S. Cal The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
animal losses and colic prevention
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Condolences to Catherine and Genie. For many of us, losing an aminal/pet is equal to loss of a family member. My heart goes out to you both. 6 yrs. ago my rescue mutt blew out a ligament in her hind leg. Routine fix-it surgery $1000 turned into $13, 000 to save her life; lost leg circulation, went septic, major organ shut down, doggie ICU. I had money put aside for a big down payment on a new truck (my first) reassurances from the vet she was young, strong and lots of hope she'd pull through. Her tail wags at seeing me...well your know how it is.. Ended up with amputation, but otherwise a healthy 3 legged $13,000 pooch who several months later, ran fast enough to catch bunnies, so I had to tie a bell on her. (Older now). I just couldn't envision driving a new car knowing I let my dog die. I happened to have the cash..usually don't. Had never lost a pet at that time, played into my decision. Financial situation differs year to year...not sure I would make the same decision/gamble with money on a given day.Good point about putting away $$ just in case. If a big $$ vet reserve fund was a requirement for horse ownership it would exclude most of us from owning. (I'm divorced with 2 kids). Since reading everyone's posts, I am seriously considering horse insurance now. 6 yrs. of ownership and sounds like I have lucked out; no problems with my 3. My vet is offering the Pfizzer colic program, which I turned down the prior year. After reading this, thinking of calling her back now to see if I could add it on to my preventive care plan. Question: the Pffizer plan covers colic only; wondering if money better spent for all around insurance (accident/medical care coverage, not just colic)? Learning alot from everyone's posts. Cheryl in S. Cal The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits and cresty necks
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Appologies, thought last email was going privately. Thanks to all for answering my questions. RE: cresty necks: on reading, one article states drafts (not starting controvery here!) neck often mistaken for cresty when it is the shape. Don't think his neck is that, but my fjord is overwt., and diet now 6 days and counting. I am getting the "look" from him and started on a sympathy diet to keep him company and avoid "crestier" thighs myself (!), and beefing up our exercise program (both were lax this past year, work, kids, etc.) The Mullen bit: from everyone's advice, I'll take the plunge for one this weekend. The initial looks to me (heavy bar) made it appear more severe in my mind, , kind of like looking at Mikmar bits (medieval spikey looking) when it fact the Mikmars are actually light (never used one); looks deceiving. It may be his wt. makes work harder thus his ignoring me at times? Arena work not his favorite, he'd rather watch the world go by on the trail, but my confidence needs more horse control. Again, my thanks to all the experienced fjord "ists" on the list. Cheryl and Jake on the S. Cal Diet; supposed to rain today, 50's, still no seasonal lawn PS. Loved the Fairbanks picture, only thing resembling snow here are the shavings on the horses coats and tails in the morning..I can pretend. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: cresty neck
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the information. "Air fern"!!! Well, he's not quite that, but it amazes me how he still put on wt. after cutting him back the first time...the POA is about 800# andwas getting 4# less a day than him and maintains a fit wt. so I get puzzled. I am going to call my vet and have his thyroid checked.good idea. Thanks so much. cheryl in S. Cal briar hill farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: briar hill farm Cheryl, a cresty neck could be something to be concerned about. If your Fjord tends to be an air fern (more than most), tends towards a cresty neck (fat deposit along the crest of the neck), develops a fat pad at the base of the tail, you might want to have your vet check for low thyroid function. Other signs of low thyroid can include brittle hair and hoof. Low thyroid is not uncommon in Fjords and is easily managed Even if your Fjord is not low thyroid, but cresty necked, he could be more prone to laminitis. Adding magnesium to the diet can help melt that fat pad (given that you are not over feeding and it doesn't sound like you are). Check with your vet. Marcy Baer Briar Hill Farm / breeding and training Fjords for 20 years www.briarhillfarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits and passenger lesson
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Happy 2007 to all! I can vouch for the passenger lesson as a great way to get your seat by going with the "feel" of the horse. Clinton Anderson's version is on his Riding with Confidence DVD. His focus is more on speed control and one reined stopping, but it worked for my very non risk taking 13 y/o dtr. to get her confidence in flowing with the movement of the horse but knowing she could stop when needed. (The western horn helped too, not sure about an English saddle!) Gave her the confidence to learn the canter (on the POA that is), better control. She is more enthused with riding and the horses since learning this (me too!) RE: bits and fjords After asking and reading the same bit Q&A's over time, my philosophy ( flawed??) was if the horse was more comfortable with his bit, I (hoped) would have a more willing, relaxed and thus listening partner. My collection is a snaffle, Level One Myler Comfort Snaffle and latest is a French Link Full Cheek Snaffle (best) which seems to give my fjord the extra reminder. My guy is young,green, strong and learning. I've heard the Mullen mouth bit mentioned before, but nixed it cause it looked so severe (in my mind). Is the Mullen mouth a kinder bit but give you the extra leverage on a strong neck? Rubber or metal preferred? I have kind hands with the other horses, but the fjord takes some strength and leg. Meanwhile, ground work and trying to instill a work ethic in a very sweet and cute fjord who would rather eat (!!) continues...I wish I could unlock his mind to be a more willing partner, but if a Mullen is kind and would help, I'd go buy one. Any thoughts appreciated. Cheryl in S. Cal The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Cresty neck?
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My vet mentioned her concerns that my fjord was getting slightly cresty necked. He is the first fjord she has treated. I had already cut back his feed (from the lists suggestions on easy keepers!) , no wt. gain but no big loss. She would like me to cut back another 2 lbs/day ( for Total 14#/day). I feed 7/8 Timothy, the rest mix of bermuda and Alfalfa with a sprinkle of Senior (his night treat, approx 1/3 cup with a carrot). I never thought of his neck as cresty, just typical of how fjords look esp. with the mane cut gives attention to the neck. She said the top can actually fall over permanantly. I wasn't aware, though when I saw Cavalia, I noticed the lead stallion's neck (with the floor length mane) did lean and wobble side to side. I'm wondering if this is what she is talking about??? Anyone ever experience this with their fjord? Thanks in advance. Cheryl in S. Cal with a hungry fjord, low 70's Santa Ana wind storm today The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
fjords
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Horse Illustrated (I think) did a fjord spread in either 2001 or 2002 . The fjord pictures caught my eye before the print. WOW! Took my breath away...the neck, the mane, the eyes...I was hooked! I can't quote, but what stuck in my mind of the written article (after the photos) that put me on the fjord pursuit was "small draft", "comfortable trot" , not as spooky, sensible, family horse, good for kids, not speed demons.All the things I was looking for after a bone crushing wreck. I guess you take out from an article the points you want, whether positive or negative. Cantering: Thanks to those for posting and answering. My fjord prefers to trot, still young. Got my best canter on trail with a TWH (who only trotted up a hill) and and Icelandic (who cantered up). My boy did his best to keep up, but we got left in the dust half way up! He canters in the arena with the TB and POA, but on lunge only a few times when asked; also on the way to the gait (buddy/gait sour!) Something to work on and I will reward the short tries. Good advice. I wondered if this was just MY problem. He is a bit drafty build (and too fat!!) When asked what my fjord "is", I've always answered small draft capable of doing many things, and with a personality to die for. I don't think that is a negative description! If I was a trainer/breeder of show fjords, I suppose I would highlight that portion of the breed which best portrayed my stock, or what I trained for whether dressage, driving, trail, etc. About 18 yrs. ago I was interviewed for TV news as a nurse re: strike issue. I was on the fence. What portrayed on TV was against it. The news edited the interview to fit their personal slant. Hasn't changed I see. I'm glad fjords got the exposure, and my eyes went to the pictures first!! Have never ridden Long Ears, but love their looks and qualities I have read about. My ramblings... The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fwd: Tying a 2 y/o
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Denmark Jubilee
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fantastic photos! Especially intrigued by the mane "doos"!! Next time I mess up on cutting, I can turn the mane into something exotic!! Very creative. Beautiful horses and photos, thanks for sharing. Cheryl in S. Cal
intro to fjords
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kim, welome! I remember the excitement waiting for my fjord to come, like a mom with a new baby! First glimpse of his face in person... oh! just priceless! Very nice people here to help us newbies out. Just a comment on fjord growth. My gelding was 4 when I got him, measured almost 13.3H. I've had him 15 months and kept thinking he appears taller or figured I was shrinking. Measured last week, sure enough, he has hit a hair above 14H. Girth? I won't go thereexcept to say the heat wave is over and we will be working more! Cheryl in S. Cal
Synthetic saddles
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Looking for a lightwt. synthetic 2nd saddle for the fjord and came across some Big Horn 's for Halflingers. My fjord seems to be pretty much mutton withered, these are made for that. Decent prices. Anyone have experience with them? Halflingers appear to have similar build, roundness and wideness it SEEMS, but I may be wrong. I have a Circle Y FHQB and think my guy probably needs something a little wider. Lots of trial saddles for that purchase, and still think I should have gone wider, thus, looking at Halflinger fit saddles. Any comments, suggestions on the synthetic ones appreciated. The difference in hefting #24 vs. #14 is big for me somedays...and probably the horse too! Thanks in advance Cheryl in S. Cal
Kim's fjord and driving
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to all who put in their 2 cents on the driving issues. I don't know if I ever will drive, but appreciate the input. When I am up on my hilly property hand carrying dead branches and rocks...I think of how handy the fjord would be to help me haul stuff away and dream.but like all other disciplines with horses it would be a new endeavor and not ready for that..yet! Maybe some day. Kimyour Sammy is a lucky horse. Putting him in training is a wonderful idea. What a love for horses you have! Not everyone would do that to insure a horse is sound and safer for next owner. I had a life changing wreck on a QH but like your Sammy good ground manners, but knew myself and the kids would never ride him and feel safe. Did the30 days training and eval, and found out he loved cows and came alive. Something from his past I didn't know, though should have guessed since was a ranch horse. Just didn't know how to mosey down a trail!He got the right owner (roper cowgirl) through the trainer (his ex girlfriend) for $1. I hope your fjord finds a forever home, and maybe the trainer can help. Cheryl in S. Cal
question on learning to drive
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Silly question maybe, but here goes. When training to drive, is the newbie horse always paired as team with experienced partner? Or can they be hooked up single from the start? (after training) There are pics of my fjord on breeders website hitched as a team. I would think a green horse would go with the flow of the team (of course, having training prior). so I'm not sure how well trained he isI got him at age 4 (horse age that is!) When I bought him, the gal sent me pic of him pulling (wrong term I'm sure) alone a sled type thing in snow, and appeared to be going very well. Good verbal whoa, but green under saddle. Maybe he likes driving better, hear horses often favor one over the other. I'm not going to run out and drive, holding on to saddle until I can't climb up anymore...but the thought is intriguing. The mini thingsounds I was wrong thinking more easily controlled. Cheryl in S. Cal
learning to drive
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lady with minis I met...her stud showed off for my TB...definetly the attitude in a smaller package and her got her pretty interested!! Was thinking in terms of a runaway, not as fast or as powerful as a fjord or larger horse, and equipment lighter with minis, so maybe a bit easier to control or accident not as nasty, but with older bones crashingMaybe not? Definetly I see the need for training equally as for a larger horse though. Carts closer to the ground and thinking a bail out or crash would be less velocity:) It sure looks like fun when the pros do it. Cheryl in S. Cal
learning to drive
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My fjord was taught to drive but I have no idea how, nor do I have the area to drive, but it sure looks and sounds like fun. Have a hilly lot and sure could use him pulling out dead branches were my garden tractor won't go! They had a ho-down at the YMCA few days ago and Clydes pulling a wagon in the parking lot...I marveled at how calm they were, kids, cars, noise everywhere and they just did their job. Lisa Wiley: this may sound like a stupid question, but is it safer and easier to drive with the minis? I would think so. Used to see a lady driving them where I had horses a while back...cutest thing you ever saw! Maybe that would be a good starting point for the old and terrified like me! Cheryl in S. Cal
PHD/breeding
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yikes! Didn't intend everyone should have a degree in fjord science prior to purchase.promise...no shooting!!! :) Heaven knows I have not made the best horse decisions.One I really regret had the big wreck and had to give awayI KNEW I should have bought a fjord instead! Came to my senses next horseMy post was more about the breeding business than purchasing a fjord. Re: the gal who pulled her breeding ad: I will admit to holding breeders to higher standards. Generally (naively!) assume that most breeders have expert knowledge of their horses abilities, use, pedigree, professional associations, history, etc. Especially in the fjord world, that has been my experience, emailing, on the list, or meeting a fjord breeder in person. From a business and marketing perspective, was just surprised any breeder wouldn't know about registry particulars. Papered horses seems to be an extra a selling point. I'm just a backyard toodler. Canadian Registry, gelding. Still trying to figure out NFHR registry benefits if I don't show or sell. Guess I better do my research, or someone here can educate me! Cheryl in S. Cal (HOT and no wind!)
dream horse ad
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To clarify, I was speaking of the Mary Love fjord stallion as smelling fishy. Didn't see the other who was going to trade for a breeding. However, if you bought a fjord wouldn't you research a bit about the horse before getting into the breeding business? Got my fjord education on the computer after seeing a picture of one, not all that hard to find the NFHR, etc. When I looked up Mary Love's other horses, she's selling a real mishmash of other breeds.. So, I looked up one of her supposedly registered ApHAno such name or number that I can find. She says on a couple ads, they are QHs but registered ApHA..kind of interesing. Then says she's having a baby and no time for horses, next ad she's claiming she's entering them in something and has to train them up!! Again , spelling atrocious. Check her ads for all her other horses and see what you think. It all just doesn't sound right. Her zip and area code on phone match up with the city. ...just doesn't add up and IF a scam, hope she gets caught. Cheryl in S. Cal
dream horse ad
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This has got to be a scam...advertiser can't spell worth beans .learning to be a stud so intro price !!! Hmmm. Plus the pictures look distorted with short legs.Can't imagine advertising for stud services using a picture of him caked in mud. How attractive is that for a selling point?? Nahhh, can't be true! Check www.brokenupcowgirl.com Scam artists after horse people too!! Cheryl in S. Cal
forum gripe (ers)!/and my 2 cents
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: list/breeder advertisements: Especially pointing out Carol... sold me a book and videos and spent her time on the phone giving me a fjord education a couple years ago even though she doesn't know me from Adam (she does love those fjords!) and I didn't buy from her. other breeders who advertise did too. I love reading Carol's ads (and drooling!)... even if I can't afford them (drat those kids of mine and their future college needs!) I defend sellers and breeders rights to dangle the idea of purchasing another fjord.(heaven help me! so tempting!) RE: questions about saddles and bits: same questions on boards for almost any other breed, fjords even harder to fit. If you're gonna sell them, better help us rig them up...or we won't be buying that 2nd and 3rd fjord..:) Delete keys work wonders. Yes, I confess to being a "deleter" at times...we all have different interests and come from varied levels of horse experience. It's been a great source of info for me, from the serious to silly stuff. Thanks to all OK, you can delete now! (grin) Cheryl in S Cal.
protective ponies
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My fjord has it backwards... easy going guy, non aggressive. The other horses take advantage and pick on him (esp. the POA!!) My fjord will run to ME for protection! I was wondering if other's fjords were passive? I figured it's why he's at the bottom of the pecking order. (My other 2 aren't fjords). Curious. Cheryl in S. Cal
Re: Salt blocks
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: Jo's comment, "Fjords seem to think anything in a bucket must be for them to snack on"..mine would think the bucket was part of the snack! Cheryl in S. Cal --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Salt blocks were originally meant for cattle. Cows > tongues are much rougher > than a horses. We put hang over buckets with ground > salt up for ours. They seem > to use it much more. During the summer I will even > sprinkle some in with > their hay. It works for us but each horse is > different.Fjords seem to think any > thing in a bucket must be for them to snack on. > Jo Wilgus > Gavilan Hills, CA
Re: winter meeting photos
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: Midwest Fjord photos I just wanted to thank Laurie for posting those photos! They are gorgeous (mostly because of the subject matter--fjords!) Though far away, I felt like I was there! Great to look at all the different fjordies...and getting me interested in harness! You really got some good pictures of their versatility. Thanks so much for sharing. Cheryl in S. Cal --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > hi, everyone, all those frozen people who attended > the winter meeting. dang > it was cold!!! > > i have posted some of the photos from the weekend at > the following site: > > http://livinginoz.smugmug.com/gallery/1231083/1/57670395 > > some of them show a bit of motion, because the > lighting was less than ideal > in the ring area, and my flash was not up to the > task (i have since purchased > another one). however, i think you can get a feel of > what we did. > > the first photo is oz, telling us all how bored he > is with winter. > > laurie and oz, who was just as glad to stay home and > be lazy
Re: virtual evals
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> re: virtual evals: A newbie to fjords, so this brings up a couple of questions: If more fjords evaluated, do you think there would be more breedings? It has been mentioned this would perhaps tap a good gene pool. So if more breedings, more fjords in numbers, would their market value drop? Would they become an "ordinary" breed because of the numbers? I can see pros and cons for DVD evals. Not sure how it would financially effect they current larger breeding farms? Cheryl in S. Cal --- Sara Faull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Sara Faull > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have long thought that evaluations in N.A. were > misrepresentative > because they are not equally available to everyone. > Because this > continent is so large there are big chunks that are > never close to an > evaluation- Living in Maine we are used to being far > away from > everything- the closest vet is 2 hours away, > farriers come from an > hour and a half... add to that the seasonal nature > of Maine- almost > all of our income for the year is made in the few > summer months- > hauling horses hundreds of miles for an evaluation > will nearly always > be impossible- I think the video evals are an idea > worth exploring- > at least as a tool to improve the breed- maybe a > horse cannot get an > official blue ribbon with video but could just get a > number score- > this process is after all about maintaining quality. > Perhaps one > judge could travel to the farms that wish to do a > video eval to > observe the process, and run their hands over the > horse and submit > written comments - maybe they do not submit a score > for the horse. I > think it would be cheaper to have one judge travel > to remote states > than to try to hold evaluations in enough places to > make it possible > for all horses to get evaluated. > Sara > Gouldsboro. Maine
Re: Video Evaluations
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: Video eval: Certain aspects sound attractive. Lori made some good points. In person, could be the best or worst 15 minutes of your life showing your horse. If video, might turn into a bigtime screen production with airbrushing, retakes, big time editing. Probably either way may not be true picture of horse on daily basis, yet harder to hide faults in person I would think. Saw part of the Fallbrook evals. It was great to meet owners, see all the different fjords in person and watch the process. Also a nice way to introduce fjords to newbies...wouldn't that be missed if judging process went Hollywood??Might consider eval down the road for my (backyard!) gelding just for fun, but would want it in person with everyone's encouragement for our presentation jitters. Cheryl in S. Cal --- Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Lori Albrough > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The video evaluation idea has a certain allure for > helping to deal with > the realities of our geography. However, I think it > is hard to get a > true picture of a horse from a video. I will use > videos to help me > decide whether I want to go see a horse, but rarely > to make a final > decision on it, unless a trusted advisor of mine has > also seen the horse > in person. > > Steven Wolgemuth, US long-listed dressage rider, who > now helps people > find dressage horses domestically and overseas, had > this to say about > evaluating a horse from a video in a recent article > in Dressge Today > magazine: > > "Be careful not to judge a horse too harshly when > trying to evaluate his > overall quality. Videos can be the enemy of great > horses and a friend to > poor-quality horses. They can make great horses look > just a bit better > than average and bad horses look just a bit worse > than average." > > Before I read this article, I had already noticed > this "averagizing" > effect of the technology, both in making a great one > appear more average > and a not-so-good one appear OK, so it was > interesting to have this > observation confirmed. > > The other thing that video can do is make a "moment" > appear to sum up a > horse. The video viewer is missing a lot of context, > but can only judge > what he is seeing, whether or not it is an accurate > reflection of the > true animal. As Wolgemuth says, > > "A videotape can make a good or bad moment more real > than it truly is. > ... A horses unfortunate mistake, wrong step or > brilliant moment is not > a trusted normality, even if a video captured it." > > Wolgemuth uses this anecdote to illustrate how much > presentation can > influence perception of the horse, > > "I recently reviewed a video of a beautiful, > refined, light bay gelding > with long legs and light, lovely, sweeping gaits. He > was being ridden in > white polo wraps on a sunny day in perfect footing > in a beautiful > outdoor arena. Moments later, the tape switched to a > dark brown, chubby, > short-legged, average-moving horse. To my surprise, > it turned out to be > the same horse. The second part of the tape was > filmed under poor > lighting in deeper, wet footing and the horse had no > leg wraps. The > difference was incredible. I was again reminded how > the camera can > radically distort reality." > > My experience is that "being there" allows the > person who is evaluating > the horse to form a much more balanced and realistic > picture of the true > animal. I already believe that there is no way that > "15 minutes on the > triangle" can sum up the value of a horse, but can > only give us one more > data-point about him. I would certainly not give > even that much credence > to an evaluation that was purely virtual. The > free-lunging vs in-hand > gait analysis definitely presents another important > viewpoint, though > live-in-person would be my preference. (The > free-lunging was one of my > favorite /most-useful-to-me parts of the Norwegian > stallion evaluation) > Is a virtual evaluation better than nothing? > Probably as an educational > tool, yes, but let's not make it into something more > than it can ever be. > > Lori Albrough > Moorefield Ontario
Re: leaving for CA
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ACCKKK! I forgot it is this weekend!! Maybe I can talk the kids into going Sundayif you all promise there is a fjord booth?? Looked last year and none..was so disappointed (was pre fjord owner days!) Anyone doing any fjord demos?? Cheryl in S. Cal --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi List , > > Leaving for CA in the morning with OE and Pat > Wilson, to go play at Equine > Affaire and Martins Auction. Hope to see some Fjord > friends while there, > including Kathy Kramer at her booth. Later all ! >Lisa Pedersen
Re:fjord impression
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: Laurie's comment on fjords smelling different: I thought I was the only one who thought that!!! One of the first things I noticed actually. Never mentioned it to anyone...thought maybe it was me! Cheryl in S. Cal --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/25/06 6:38:51 PM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > What was your first impression of a Fjord? > > i was totally fascinated with their unique look, > mysterious under all that > forelock, yet looking like a (small) gentle > giant > > > How/where did you see it? > > almost exactly two years ago. i had just had a > very bad experience with a QH > that i never really got along with, and was told > about them by a member on a > riding forum i participated in. after her > description, i knew i had to see > one, > so i checked to see where there were any in > minnesota. somehow i connected > with linda lottie, who suggested i come up to visit > her and meet hers. i said > how about TODAY? and i drove up to the end of the > earth where she lived at the > time and totally fell in love with sven. she even > let me up on him, and the > next visit i rode him bareback in her round > pentwo months later i was > purchasing oz. > > > What was different from other horses? > > obviously, the look. the fact that they are not a > dime a dozen. their > wonderful expressions and mannerisms. they even > smell different. and every > where you > take them, people want to touch them. > > What did you think they looked like? > > How did you perceive their personality? > > i thought they looked prehistoric, and like a > small draft horse. > > as i always tell patti jo, what's not to love? > > laurie, and oz, who is immensely hairy and starting > to blow coat a little > already. very strange january weather.
Re: Fjord horses ending up at auction
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: fjords at auctions; Point well taken re: auctions. Did not mean to cast a nasty name to them. My fjord initially sold at Troyers. The three I mentioned were from Waverly. However, the prices paid were extremely low for fjords. Not sure if "killer prices", one of the 3 definetly was. Scarey! I'm no horse seller or buyer, but did my homework and looked at fjords in person and on internet 2 1/2 yrs before buying, so have some idea of fjord prices asked according to abilities, breeding and what the market bears in certain areas. No guarantee where a horse will end up eventually whether a private sale between 2 parties or an auction. Read somewhere most horses bought and sold average of 5-8 times in their lifetime. Maybe naive, but would want to hand pick who my fjord went to if I ever have to sell, with the hopes of a long term caring owner. Don't think there is a choice at auctions. Fjords are very special and different; and in joining this forum and reading how owners/breeders feel about their fjords, looking to purchase and scarce in my area...it was a surprise to me to learn they were auctioned and at those prices. It seemed to me people hang on to fjords much more than most breeds...at least on this forum and the fjord yahoo list. Guess I have a lot to learn. Hope fjords don't go the way of other horses: overbreeding, undertrained (working on that one myself) and end up in feedlots. I hope these 3 find good homes, and the buyers know what special horses they get in the fjord. Cheryl in S. Cal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/17/2005 11:51:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't figure out how these horses ended up at auction, * One must remember that "Auction" is not necessarily a dirty word. Yes, if the horses are being run through a local livestock auction as kill horses that would be sad. BUT, there are such things as select horse sales, auctions where breeders or trainers can sell horses at a good price to good people. I know of folks with Haflingers that sell their stock at the annual HUGE Haflinger sales and are getting outrageously good prices for them... One can assume that the buyers that are paying this kind of money (10s of thousands of $$) are going to provide a good home to the horses. There are also the big farm auctions like Waverly, IA and our Small Farmer's Journal Auction out west that offer sales of select draft & driving horses each year. Again, SERIOUS buyers come to these sales looking for good horses, and pay good prices for them. This is a good thing, not a horrible tragedy. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fjord horses ending up at auction
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Saw 2 fjords for sale in local horsetrader. Curious so looked up owner...found she also had a fjord I almost bought out of Wisconsin...(sold before I could decide). All 3 for sale and picked up at an auction in Iowa, they are in Anza, California now. Pines Crista, Rusken 350B and Reterra Harry. Decided to make the trip to see them, particularly Harry since was ALMOST mine! Would have been a good kid's horse. Crista is a gray mare, gorgeous though muddy; Rusken is a hunk!! Having seen video and pics of Harry for prior purchase consideration, he is a cutie who needs some spit and polish put back on. All sweet and friendly...course I didn't ride them. Nothing visually wrong. Current owner specializes in drafts...Hay Dude ranch and you can google it. I can't figure out how these horses ended up at auction, especially the mare. Would think even as a brood mare with the gray gene she would be desireable and not something to let go of and at the prices the buyer got on them. Am I missing something? Do fjords go to auction that often? My gelding was originally at an auction, but for driving and I know the breeder really cares about his horses. Or am I naive and fjords get booted around like other breeds just as often and potential buy for the killers? Thought of that just makes me cringe. Can anyone shed some light on this? Cheryl in S. Cal
Re: Hay Testing
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: hay test Curious, does anyone have an idea of what this costs? I asked our local feed store if they did it or knew anyone. They didn't and laughed since hay sources vary...warmer weather and no one stock piles a years worth here. Cheryl in S. Cal Catherine lassesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Catherine lassesen" Joyce, (and others) Your local Farmers Coop or County Extension Service (they governing body of 4-H & FFA in most states) should be able to tell you where to send your hay samples in and how to read the results of the hay test. They will also tell you how to get a proper sample of it. Hope this helps. Catherine Lassesen Southern Oregon Where... We are digging for a new water system. We have lots of Fjords for sale at all levels of training and ages. We are the second Døle Farm in the USA. (Another Native Norwegian Horse Breed) This is where Amy Evers is training Fjords in driving and doing an excellent job with them. And this is where Rune is not here but in Australia with his ship. :-) He says hello to all. :-)
buying trailor and truck
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: trailers: Looked into the specifics this summer, haven't bought yet either. Asked around and googled it, also good article on what to look for in Horse Illustrated couple of months ago. If you haven't bought a truck yet, then calculate the total wt. you will tow. Should include trailer wt. plus horse wt. maximum, plus tack/feed/anything else you will put in the trailer to tow. Then look for truck that can actually pull that wt. loaded. Manufacturers book that comes with truck has the figures and how to calculate what you can safely tow. May want to add 300# at least for margin of error to your loaded wt. just to be safe (or so I was told!). Besides unsafe overloading trailer wt. wise, the stability of it and engine or transmission burn out rate high if overloaded for what truck can pull. If you have the truck alreadystill figure out the max wt it can tow, still add up your figures. I have an F 150 and figured (maybe erroneously!) that with tack, two horses 2300# approx. etc, I'd be looking into an aluminum or lighter trailer. Someone told me that some of the F 250 engines are the same as the 150sso you gotta go back to the gear ration/wt ratio stuff. Think I googled an article on it...if I come across it I'll post the site. Hope it helps...most guys that tow get into these numbers and can be good source of advice...I don't always believe the sales people... Cheryl in S. Cal
Re: EBAY scam
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: the ebay scam: Was bidding on something a couple months ago and almost fell prey to the scam. Was checking ebay at work (heh heh) to see if I won (it was a horse related item...so guess that will fit here!) . On my email at work popped up an ebay page that looked EXACTLY like the real thing, asking me to sign in, which I did. Had this item on my mind. When they asked for account info update, it dawned on me I never do ebaying from work and ebay doesn't have my email address there, so why would they email me there? Plus I recalled they never ask this stuff over the net. When I checked the internet address again, I realized there was one letter different. I also notified ebay, and changed my password for ebay and my account just incase they picked it up when typing it in. Have had the same phone type calls asking to verify password on now defunct aol acct., mortgage info, etc. You gotta be careful and think it through...I almost bit as was in a hurry! Whcih saddles for sale? Cheryl in S. cal Sue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Sue" I felt that as some of you are ebay users, that I should make you aware that someone pretending to be Ebay is sending out emails requesting that you update your account. They threaten to forbid you to enter the Ebay site if this is not done immediatly. What they are after is your visa and banking info. This is a scam. I notified Ebay and they verified that it was a scam and were reporting it to the authorities. They do NOT under any circumstances request account info by email. Now to keep this "horsey" I have two western saddles for sale. If interested in them feel free to contact me. They are too narrow for our round little Fjords. Have a great day everyone. (Sure wish it would quit raining!) Sue in wet cold N.B. (Desert Storms and Peppins mom)
Re: leased fjord questions
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I bought the Myler Bit video off ebay...learned quite a bit (ok, bad pun!). It even wooed me to buy a Myler but I MUST have sized the fjord wrong, he decided the measuring tape tasted pretty good. A 5 1/2" was too big unless these bits just fit differently Does any one know? I bought a Western Comfort Snaffle. It just hung there kind of funny...I know the angles are different but I do think was too big. Switched to the French Link and he seems to be ok...my 5" is a little short...so I am guessing he needs 5 1/4" I read the larger sizes of your horses bits and am surprised! Cheryl in s.Cal Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest One of the best books on bits is "Horse Control and the Bit" by Tom Roberts. He goes into detail on the action of the various kinds of bits. Myler also has a good little book; "A whole bit Better" available most places you buy Myler bits. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 55 degrees and showers. >Can anyone recommend a book all about bits? Lord knows I have a lot to >learn. > >Thanks, I love having all the responses to read. > >Alice
RE: Growth rates, plates and early training
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail and all: I read another forum and by coincidence this article came up...Dr. Deb Bennet. You may have to scroll through to get to the meat of her explanation: http://www.equinestudies.org/knowledge_base/ranger.html Kind of an eye opener. I have always heard fjords are started later in life due to growth plates, but that the driving part does not stress them the way a rider would. Not sure if true. I would be interested in hearing from those who breed/train your opinions on undersaddle training of a young fjord. My now 4y/o was taught to drive (and I don't, so not sure how well he does this) and was broke to saddle ( greenbroke and we are re-learning from ground up). Interested in extent of work recommended for a 4 y/o and maturity wise, what you think the average fjord should be capable of accomplishing. He needs some work to get in shape, and wonder how long to work at trot, canter under saddle, especially after reading this article. My gelding does his tries...but seems when he's had enough, he lets me know with a squeel! Cheryl in S. Cal Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Gail Russell" You do not need to have a sense of humor about your size. As to the horse, there are some very good arguments for not having anyone ride a horse until it is considerably older. I do not have the link, but Deb Bennett has a complete explanation on her site about the problems related to riding a horse before the age of about six due to the fact that their back (not knees) is not finished growing. My young Fjord did not really fill out until he was about six. I would not have ridden him at 3 or even 3 1/2 other than to get him accustomed to the saddle only. Some of the old Nevada cattle outfits trained their horses to ride at the age of 8, because they felt that they were not able to carry a rider for a long day of work until that age. You might consider driving training now, and then doing extensive ground work with her. You can teach most of the skills of riding from the ground. Alexandra Kurlanda, the clicker trainer, has a book coming out about riding that may actually have a lot of ground work exercises in it. Gail in Forestville CA. By the way, just so you know that I have a sense of humour about my size My new Fjord Dixie is 3 and will be 4 in the Spring. I'm thinking of getting her started by someone else and then gradually training her myself. I'm about 220 pounds and short - about 5 1".
Re:odd places to see Fjords
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: odd plces to see fjords Animal Planet TV ran their animal funniest videos show a couple days agofreaturing a fjord trying to get a hold of a carrot that was dangling by a string!! Very cuteHey...it was my KIDS watching it.:) Cheryl in S. Cal Pat Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Pat Holland" Talking about seeing Fjords in the AAA book. If any of you happen to be dairy farmers, live next to one, know oneonce drove past a dairy farm.(we are becoming rare)or just drink milk... : ) in the past two Select Sires Bull Catalogs, one of our cows was chosen to represent a bull they sell semen from. I talked the professional photographer into taking the picture with two Fjords in the background..( I told him there are allot of Scandinavian dairy farmers)..anyway, the Fjords are Pines Edge Ivan (my gelding) and Sylvia (imported from Holland).the rep. from Select Sires told me the catalog is sent to Europe as well. Fun facts! Pat Holland
Re: Fjord at an auction
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Noticed a pair of geldings also at Troyer's. My gelding was originally purchased by prior owner at Troyer's auction. The breeder from Canada takes a few down there each year, taught to drive and some to ride. Not sure if any of these are his as he has posted on his website in the past who he is selling there and didn't see anything posted on breeder's site currently. Work horses with training, don't think intended as rescue/meat type stuff! Again, not sure if these are from same breeder. You can email Troyer...he did answer questions for me in the past. My take on Troyer's auctions is that they are working horse quality,not bad habits/horses people want to dispose of (and hope I am right! ) I know I am in the case with my fjord gelding. Though young, a personality that is what everyone talks about as "typical fjord"! (The good stuff!) Cheryl in S. Cal Lisa Sherrodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: Lisa Sherrodd I noticed there is a 15 year old Fjord gelding going at auction at Troyer's in Colorado. I am at my limit with horses as I live on land with covenants, but maybe someone else might be interested in this guy. www.troyerauctions.com Lisa in the Black Hills of South Dakota Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: why register a gelding?
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Valerie Point well taken about the horses history with registration. Mostly trying to see the benefits of NFHR dual registry with the CFHA since already Canadian registered. Will probably do it in time even though not planning to show. Then I could get the sought after "Herald" everyone keeps asking about!! Cheryl in S. Cal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, Cheryl, the same answer applies here when I get a dog back from rescue. (Only has happened twice in 18 years, but) The new pet owners want to know why they have to pay the fee to have him registered. I do the vet work, registering, and they pay only for that. The reason is it is the dog's heritage. This dog has been carefully bred, raised and belongs to a certain line, and I would like for him to go through life with his history intact. Possibly he will seem more valuable to someone down the line with this "provenance." Also, if he is registered, he is eligible for agility and obedience competition, as a horse would be able to enter breed specific shows. You never know what is down the road for an animal. Thank you also to people who responded to my trail bridle inquiry. I think I will get one. Valerie
Re: Unregistewred Fjords and breeding
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My new fjord is Canadian Registered. Looked up NFHR and at some point I will register him there most likely. Since he is a gelding though, I'm trying to see the benefit in it. I don't plan to sell him..EVERcourse never say never when you get older.I am one of those that enjoys the breed, see the value of it for breeding, selling, but I don't do either. Can anyone give me a reason that I may be missing? Thanks Cheryl in S. Cal...still have a lot of fjord learning to do! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think if it was an easier and possibly less expensive process to register and transfer ownership more people would in fact keep up with the registry. Some people really enjoy the breed like the horses and don't care about the registry. Granted that unregistered horses may bring less at the auction. Most people do not buy a horse with re- selling it in mind.
Re: Feeding
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: feed supplement and salespeople I am a fjord newbie and my guy (4) is new to me. I haven't raised babies, but sounds like an awfully high protein content. I once met a medical sales person who was tossing out all kinds of erroneous medical info on their product but couldn't answer some general questions on clinical issues. Wasn't trying to put them on the spot, but became clear to me this person was taught a preplanned sales pitch from the company training. When I asked her what her background was prior to selling medical products, found out her sales in jewelry at a dept store qualified her for the job!! I'd do like you...ask on this forum or ask the vet for suggestions. Cheryl in S. cal Vanessa N Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" Hi Everyone, I'm sure you have all discussed this kind of thing before but I wondered if you would give me your feedback on this situation. Recently, as you may recall, I've been a little concerned about Zipper, my new 2 year old Fjord. After arriving here in late May from New Mexico (I'm in Connecticut), we fed her primarily hay (2 flakes twice a day) as instructed. We gave her some pellets to get her daily wormer down. Then it was suggested that we also use Grow Colt (sp?). Zipper began to lose weight. I could see her ribs. So we started giving her more pellets and she now seems to be coming around. The pellets had a low protein content as advised by a close friend. I want to say 10% but I'm not sure. She is currently eating about 6 1/2 pounds of pellets a day over two feedings. Then today the man who runs the barn had someone from Purina come to give a presentation. The gal was young and not very organized. As a longtime 20 year dog breeder, I am usually guarded about these kinds of sales pitches - but never having had to care for all these horses myself, I figured out that I'd probably learn a lot by attending this - if nothing else. The best part about the entire experience was finding out how much my horses weighed and being given a tape measure for height and weight! Zipper currently weighs 760 pounds. This gal's goal was to get all of our horses to eat 'Strategy', a performance food. It has 16% protein and is 1500 calories a pound. She advised that I transition all three Fjords over to it from what they are getting now and cut out the Grow Colt for the 2 and 3 year old, and Source for the 10 year old. The only supplements she feels can be given with Strategy' are biotin, glucosamine or Athlete for calories. The rep couldn't give me any advise on the needs of growing horses but could only reiterate that both 1 year olds and adult horses require 1 to 2% of their body weight in hay. As I said above I am guarded about these sales events. Could anyone please tell me if this all makes sense to you? I am concerned by: 1. The discrepancy in % of protein in both feeds. 2. The fact that all supplements are being pulled. 3. The lack of direction regarding growing rates and what this means - if anything. 4. The lack of attention to the fact that I have traditionally 'thrifty' horses. This felt like a cookie cutter approach. Other comments are welcome. Just remember that for all practical purposes I am a novice and this is just my gut reaction. Many thanks, Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Quiet fjord
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Re: Bits for fjords
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Thanks for your info...I had the same problem finding a bit with my POA and the low pallet. I came to the conclusion after asking all the POA experts that he just doesn't like ANY bit...but his head ducking quit after taking somone's suggestion..he just hates to be bitted, it is ok once in his mouth..equine dentist and all didn't make difference. I was looking at the Comfort snaffles too...that word "comfort"..heh heh. I need to go measure his mouth...maybe 5 1/2" is what I need. Confusingthere is a Myler Video on ebay I think I will bid on ...not sure if that will help or confuse me more. There is a Stateline Tack a few miles from me...may just take the $55 plunge. I am a Western Trail toodler..nothing fancy and my guy still has a lot to learn, as do I. I'm finding fjords ARE different in many ways..all GOOD but a bit confusing! Thanks Cheryl Garnica in S. Cal Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest Many Fjords need a 5 1/2" bit. Also their pallet is low with a large tongue, so a two piece mouthpiece in a snaffle pokes them in their pallet. The Myler bits work great..curved to fit the mouth.. the Myler "Comfort snaffle" is good, comes in 5 1/2" in Dover and Stateline catalogs. I ordered a 6" Myler with a solid low port mouthpiece and military elbow cheeks for my big gelding, Bjorken, and he is comfortable and responsive in that. I use it with the rein in the first slot below the snaffle setting. The Glory bits are good too..the mouthpiece is a curved solid mouthpiece angled slightly forward. These bits come in "Butterfly " and Liverpool cheeks for driving (I use the butterfly one for riding) and a dressage approved riding snaffle with Baucher style cheeks. see them at: http://www.glorybits.com/ You generally need a 5 3/4" or larger for the driving styles or the cheeks pinch. Call Ray Johnson to order..he is very interesting to talk to! Bridles! Yes a much larger brow band! I find that the oversize English bridles have a large enough brow band but often the cheeks are too long...Dave Mcwethy can make you a bridle to fit! http://www.horseharness.com/ I hope this helps, Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cool and smoky this morning..42 degrees! >Anyone have suggestions for fjord bits? My guy is broke basically and >using a simple O ring snaffle 5". I have been thinking I need a 5 >1/4". He has also been ignoring direct rein cues a lot.the arena is >away from the other horses and is fixated a fair amount on going back to >the gait to try to get a look/smell of the others.even after lunging. > > >Did some reading on the Myler snaffles and wondering if anyone has >experience with this. Or, are fjords different with their needs? Any >suggestions appreciated.
Bits for fjords
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone have suggestions for fjord bits? My guy is broke basically and using a simple O ring snaffle 5". I have been thinking I need a 5 1/4". He has also been ignoring direct rein cues a lot.the arena is away from the other horses and is fixated a fair amount on going back to the gait to try to get a look/smell of the others.even after lunging. I figure it is a matter of time to get the work ethic down. Meanwhile, that neck is a lot to contend with strengthwise when he is pulling the other way. He does better with leg pressure but I am trying to get him to work just off the rein for now. Did some reading on the Myler snaffles and wondering if anyone has experience with this. Or, are fjords different with their needs? Any suggestions appreciated. Tack for my fjord has been a challenge!! Bridle : really needs something between large and regular horse (brow band too tight with regularpunching a ton of holes in large), the great saddle hunt (found saddles with double D's helped keep girth from cutting into elbows, Circle Y Omaha round skirt FHQB had it all for width, double Ds and round skirt for back). Now the bit quest for all you experienced people! Did you folks have same problem? Thanks in advance Cheryl in S. Cal
Re: pregnancy mystery
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: possible horse mix-up I think I saw a case like that on Animal Court with Judge Wopner and they brought the horse in the courtroom! Would guess with a herd of broodmares that looked similar, would be an easy mistake to make, and much harder to unravel in terms of registration. I think I would speak with the breeder with your evidence and put it in his lap if registering mare and foal are important to you. Pretty embarressing for the breeder, but if reputable, think breeder would want to straighten it out for his reputation . Be interested to know how it comes out. Cheryl in S. Cal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fjord Friends-[ I have a question for those of you experienced with breeding. We have a bit of a mystery here on the ranch. The ranch owner, Millard, purchased a Missouri Fox Trotter mare in February; he was told that she was bred in January and would be due in December. I thought Millard was mistaken because I've never heard of a horse being bred in winter, and because she had possibly pregnancy-induced rings on the upper half of her hooves, which doesn't make sense if she'd only been pregnant one month. This month, the mare, Jubilee, started to look like she was going to give birth any minute: protruding belly, udder swollen and hanging down like a cow, extremely agitated and always hungry. I called the vet to confirm my suspicions and he determined that she would give birth within a month. He estimated her age at 7 years. I told Millard and he was baffled, checked his paperwork and sure enough, the mare described as Jubilee was bred and confirmed in foal January 8, 2005. The paper also says she's 15 years old. I'm beginning to wonder if we have the wrong horse! Apparently she came from a big herd of 20+ broodmares, and if many of them were bay... So my questions are 1) does this happen, where someone accidentally gets the wrong horse? and 2) could a mare appear hugely pregnant with udder swollen at 6 months? / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com www.MillwoodRanch.com
RFDTV fjord show
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Missed it! Emailed RFD TV, no repeat planned.maybe in future according to them. Guess they would have to get some response/requests from listeners...if anyone interested in requesting it www.rfdtv.com. or maybe giving them some feedback on it. I may have to buy a tape after all...Cheryl in S. Cal.
Re: Looking for saddles
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: Saddles I have had my fjord 2 months and still on the saddle quest for good fit. I asked the same question and the consensus of all you nice fjordy experts was FHQB. Some of the brand names that came up were Crates, Big Horn (lots!) and Circle Y (lots) and some others. The round skirts...these companies have them which are great for the shorter backed horse (been through that one with the POA). Other problem I had fitting my fjord: unless the D rings are double D's or set far enough back, they seem to cut into my fjord's elbow. He is mutton withered. Circle Y Omaha: round skirt, has the Double D's; Tex tan (I think trail) has the double D's and the skirt wasn't round but short enough and good fit. Both can order with FHQB. I loved the lightness of the Big Horn (and the price which was about half of the other saddles!) but believe the rigging was the problem. My local Tack store allows for trials free. They can have a saddle fitter come for $125 and tell you which fits best, deduct their fee if you buy from them. Much as it is cheaper to buy on the internet and save the tax to the tune of about $200...I am leaning towards doing this since I want to be sure and am lousy at saddle fitting unless totally obvious bad fit (like pony saddle on a Clyde of something of that nature!! Waiting for my winning lotto ticket now to buyor else spend the kids college fund??? You might see if your tack shop will do the same. Pain to have to return a saddle if internet purchase. I've never used a breast collar but thinking I am definetly gonna need one for my no withers guy...any opinions??? Hope this helps someone else on the great saddle quest! Cheryl in S. Ca. Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest Try Timber Ridge Saddlery..They can make one with shortened bars, etc and their prices look reasonable: http://www.timberidgesaddlery.com/ Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska >I am trying to find good mountain saddles for them for my fjords. I have >found that a full Quarter horse tree fits them really well. What I am >having problems with is the length of the square skits falling on the back >haunches - I have not found rounded skirts at the saddle stores I have >visited.
Re: Versatility S1 G1
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would love to watch the evalutaions coming in Fallbrook, 40 minute drive for me!!!. Anyone know where I can get the lowdown on time and place? Too newbie to enter my guy (and me!) Thanks.Cheryl in Ca. Green Valley Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:This message is from: "Green Valley Farm" Brian & Ursula, Thanks for bringing this information to our attention. Maybe we can have a feature in one of the next Heralds. Sandura belongs to Green Valley Farm and she has always been one of my favorite Fjords. She is the sweetest, kindest, horse who always takes care of you and tries her hardest. She is not the most athletic horse being a little short strided and stiff but she makes up for it with her big heart. When I showed her in introductory english I was really nervous because cantering was not our strong point but I would have bet the farm that she would stand like a statute for the lead into the arena and mount in front of the evaluators. We received a 10 for the behavior at the mount and a 7.25 for the canter. I could have worked forever and never received a 10 on that canter but I knew Sweet Sandura would stand like a statue. I was thrilled and thankful to receive a blue ribbon. My point is that it is important to know your horse and that the NFHR Evaluation system rewards good behavior as well as good movement. This years Evaluations are: Lacrosse, WI August 6&7 Fallbrook, CA Sept 30 & Oct1 If you are not bringing a horse, hope you will come and watch. Evaluations are educational and fun. Sophie Fiedler Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:28:23 -0700 From: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" Subject: Record Book This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" We have had a few days to go through Vol 2 of the Record Book and work with the scores and accomplishments of some of these fine horses. As stated in the intro there are 7 Fjords who have attained S1 G1 status which is the highest possible award in the NFHR Evaluation program. These horses have been evaluated for Conformation and have gone through both the Introductory and Advanced levels in all three disciplines. BDF Obelisk BDF Lillehammer Prydarson Penfrydd's Raynor Ram's Lindemann Sandura SNF Bergen I'm happy to say that Penfrydd's Raynor has the highest average performance scores in the Advanced tests (English riding, Driving and Draft) That makes us happy and coinsidering the amount of energy , time and cost involved, it is a wonderful accomplishment for him and us. Probably by the time the next book comes out many more horses will have reached that level so I would love to see a page highlighting those horses. Since Versatility is the Hallmark of the Breed these animals have certainly proven that, . I'm glad others are enjoying this book as much as we are. There is nothing like having a tangible in-hand book to curl up with. No computer screen can compare. Books are still the best (IMO) Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC, V0E 2G0 Canada 250-547-6303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
Re: Fjord teeth
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: teeth Thanks for your info. My Canadian reg. fjord (DNA typed, reputable breeder) papers say just turned 4; equine dentist insists by teeth he is 5, but not familiar with fjord breed. Just trying to figure out the discrepancy.I suppose like humans, there are exceptions to the rule of thumb of how they judge these things. Cheryl in Ca. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << Does anyone know if fjord's teeth develop differently than other breeds? Specifically, Im' asking about incisor epution and shading of incisor caps? When do they lose their baby teeth? >> My dentist was out today so I asked him, and since he only knows a couple of Fjords besides mine (and those are adults...one of which may be a cross [he said it was well over 15 hands]), he was pretty general. Basically, in some areas my guys have been late (around 6-12 months) shedding caps, but there was something with Heidi's incisors where he said she was about 12 months early (not with the caps, but where the teeth touched). Probably doesn't help much but it's the best I could do! Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Fjord teeth
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone know if fjord's teeth develop differently than other breeds? Specifically, Im' asking about incisor epution and shading of incisor caps? When do they lose their baby teeth? Sounds like an odd question.will explain later! ThanksCheryl in S. Cal
Re: N/A
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Triplets, another child, and a new horse??? Wow, wonder woman!! Maybe can teach the fjord how to babysit!!LOL! Have only had mine 3 weeks now and know why people call them great family horses. Not a mean bone in his body, very curious and friendly as everyone says. Cheryl in Ca where it WAS sunny 80 the weekend, pea soup clouds today; early June gloom Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest Hi Jackie, Welcome! Where do you live? And tell us more about Marla.. who are her dam and sire? It is always fun to find Fjord "family members"! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, partly cloudy and 60 degrees today. >Proud New Owner of A Fjord > >Hi Everyone-I am a PROUD new owner of a Fjord. She is my first horse after >11 years of being horseless. We have owned her for only 1 week but she is >just great. My name is Jackie and our Fjord is Marla. I have a wonderful >husband and an 8 year old daughter and 6 year old triplets(1 boy and 2 girls) >we are just all in heaven, Marla is just great with them. I have been >reading the digest this last week and thought I would just say hello and I am >looking forward to meeting everyone. Jackie "T"
Re: fjord ideal weight
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good point on the nutrient/dust component. Many of us at the mercy of the local feed store for hay however. Remember reading an article where a trainer said you should have your hay analyzed for nutrition content. Local feed store had a howling laugh at that one! Quality varies every load they get. Funds not endless and many of us don't have the luxury of pastures growing out own food supply or ordering from all over the continent for the primo feed, don't even know where I would begin with that., I suppose like us humans the horses diet will be better some days than others and will survive with the supplements and over all diet balances out.. I appreciate whoever wrote about the fjords being more fuel efficient. I apparantly have one that is NOT an overeater. Actually leaves food behind. Only been 2 weeks and does not appear to be losing wt. ..kind of watching it overall and sounds like I will have to make feed adjustments. Thanks to all for info. everyone...food for thought (pun inteneded!) Cheryl in Ca. Warren Stockwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" - Original Message - From: "Marsha Jo Hannah" > > CHERYL GARNICA wrote: > > > > I am a 2 week newbie fjord owner and wondered about the wt. issue. [...] > > I am going by rule of thumb and feeding by weight, meaning feed 2% > > of body wt.> > I agree that hay ought to be fed by weight. Bales come in a lot of > different sizes and densities, so it's hard to feed consistently based > on bales, or flakes, or even inches. No matter how you feed hay you need to be aware of the quality/ food value of the hay you are feeding. I cut and bale my own so I know what I have. Many horse owners don't have that luxury to know at what stage it is being cut, and when it was baled. I just did a job ( pet sitter ) where I was to feed 1 bale A.M and the bale weighed at least 45 lbs. When I opened it up I found heavy packed dusty hay with (I would bet if tested little food value). SO if fed by weight these horses wouldn't get what was expected for food. I'm glad these horses have pasture I would bet most of the hay will be left or stomped into the mud. This was cut at the right stage ( looked like it ) but most likely baled to early and to tight. Leaving moisture content to high and became dusty/ moldy. Reduced quality. weight is good but you need to know the quality of what you have no matter how you feed.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #106
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, someone else mentioned Crates. Had never heard of Broken Horn, will look that up. Seems I need FQHB from consensus or replies. Cheryl in Ca. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I ride Regn in a Broken Horn saddle and a Crates saddle. Have not made the effort to look for an English saddle yet. I use my Broken Horn on my QH also.
RE: fjord ideal weight
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am a 2 week newbie fjord owner and wondered about the wt. issue. The trusty measuring tape I think MIGHT be ballpark accurate within 100# or so, MAYBEdon't think it takes into consideration the heavier boned legs compared to other horses and who knows what is that makes fjords different! I am going by rule of thumb and feeding by weight, meaning feed 2% of body wt. estimated as I do with the other horses. The others will gain or lose depending on season or activity. I will adjust feed by about a pound depending on the gain or loss. It has worked pretty well for me with other horses with only a few changes in feed. In my area and probably everyone elses, the way they bale hay can be dense feed or pretty lose so weighing is safest way to go I have no idea what the wt. of your horse should be...after looking at fjord ads and pics for 2 years and being a fjord novice, I would say depends on the type (drafty vx. light boned) and the muscling, muscle weighs more than fat but not sure the wt. tape picks that up. I use the old eyeball approachthen pull out the wt. tape if they obviously are getting porky... Dont' know if that helps and if there is a better method, I'm interested Cheryl in Ca.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #106
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just might try to find someone who is a saddle fitter, good idea! Where to find one?? Wonder what I would look under??? Would be worth it to pay. I keep thinking that fjords are built similarly to Halflingers and have seen Halflinger saddlesnot sure if that would work? Cheryl in Ca. Susan Felix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Susan Felix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Susan , [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Fjords and saddle fit. I have had the same problems with fitting a saddle over the last year. My Ramsey has grown up and out and is wide in the chest. You may have to have a professional come out and fit you horse. I did. I purchased a western saddle , full quarter horse bar. I was told that the quarter horse bar really does mean any thing in fitting. I just depends what works the best. Comfort and fit is what counts and a good pad . Check my web site for non skid pads . www.susanssaddlepads.com I use a 1" wool comfort pad with my non skid pad . You also need a little room for expansion ( with the horse) especially if they are still growing. I was very please I finally found something that worked. Try a Billy Cook western saddle with a rounded back. Really works on those witherless horses. Some Circle Y's may work It depends on the design and construction. Also make sure it will last for the life of the horse. Fjords need something that will work with them. My saddle fitter really liked the Billy Cooks. I was skeptical at first , but now I'm a happy rider. A professional that knows there stuff really makes a difference. Ramseys a happy camper! Thanks Susan Felix
New fjord owner, saddle questions: Cheryl in California
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm still figuring out how to do this posting and hope this makes it in the current section, not the 1998! Excuse double posts! I just purchased my 4 y/o fjord gelding 10 days ago, a 2 yr dream. Recognized some of you on the list and thanks to all I may have pestered with questions re: fjords! I just want to trail toodle so far and hoping the kids will want to do a little more. Just looking at a fjord is almost good enough! Riding is the icing on the cake. Any suggestions for a 13.3H approx 950-1000# fjord western saddle? In particular I was looking at the Circle Y Omaha flex tree. Concern is if wide enough or should I be looking at Halflinger type saddles? Believe it or not, my little used Abetta more or less fit him and di my first arena ride without fjord complaints! Any suggestions appreciated, I am not sure of all the special saddle considerations as he is not as large/drafty as some. Cheryl in California
Re: TYPEEEEE
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Beth, Thanks for the link, great pics! I have visited your website also before, beautiful horses! Just bought my first fjord out of Canada orginally so interested in getting info, the 2 yr. dream finally came through. I have a quick question...I ride western and confused to saddle that would fit...am assuming regular QH bars would work. My Abetta worked ok, but want a sturdier saddle. If you have any suggestions, appreciated. He's about 13.3H and figure 950-1000#, gentle withers. Pics attached if helps and you have time to answer. I've sent for a video from Beaver Dam to learn fjording up his mane (can't even cut my own bangs...!) He is "Jake" from Short Creek Fjords in Saskatchewan, 4 y/o. I need to register him in my name with the Canadian Fjord Assoc. Do you know if he would be eliglible for NFHR registry? He is Canadian DNA tested, microchipped. A lot of questions, sorry. If you have time to answer, appreciated! Cheryl in California starfirefarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "starfirefarm" Go to: http://www.fjordhest.no/bilder.asp?mode=vis&kat=19&page=7#803 for pictures Hope this link goes through. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com "Remember, a horse can tell you a lot of things, if you watch and expect it to be sensible and intelligent." Mary O'Hara - My Friend Flicka [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 100_4667.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 100_4668.JPG]
