Re: Rose Parade Roses
This message is from: Fred Pack Oops, partial message got sent inadvertantly... sorry Terressa, Which of the English ridden horses had the raised fur ribbon on it's backside, and which rider please? Thanks, Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Rose Parade photos
This message is from: Fred Pack What a fantastic bunch of pictures. My favorite, the shot of their butts with a ribbon outlined by clipping... I had no clue about that effort.. Thanks for the link. Fred On 1/9/2014 10:47 AM, Teressa wrote: This message is from: "Teressa" Here’s a link to a selection of Sandy North’s photographs she uploaded to SmugMug. http://norwegianfjords.smugmug.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Waterers
This message is from: Fred Pack On 4/14/2013 3:38 PM, Julia Webb wrote:Fred, How does that work, exactly? And will it work on fencing? (I have Electrobraid knock-off). Thanks! Hi Julia, any spark will broadcast a "signal" through the air. The first telegraph/radio/amateur radio transmitters were simply a spark producing unit. I am sure you have heard the snap of lightning in your AM car radio, or the snap of an electric fence when you drove past a field. You will only hear the snap on the AM radio frequencies as FM is broadcast in a different way. I have a Sony FM/AM walkman headset. It has a vertical antenna for FM but...this is important...the AM antenna is built into the headband. Not to get too technical (I'm a ham operator) the headband acts like a loop antenna and can be used for direction finding. When I exactly face the radio station (or sparking short in the fence) the signal/volume is at a minimum. If I hear a snap in my headphones (while listening to talk radio) I go to the center of the field, or ranch area...tune the AM radio to the lowest frequency where there is NO commercial broadcast radio station...I>E 540Khz. Then, slowly turning my body until the snap volume is at a minimum. That gives a close directional indication where the short is. The short MUST be fixed ASAP as the kids won't drink out of my Nelsons until they will no longer get a mild zap... Clear as mud??? It will work to find ANY sparking Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Earthquake update
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All is well at Pack's Peak. When the quake hit, I thought they were blasting at the quarry next to us. The peacocks started raising a racket and the Fjords started racing in circles. Lois called me on the radio and SCREAMED for me to stay where I was. I DID NOT notice that we were having an earthquake. I became concerned about the horses and why Lois had said what she did. Then, and only then did I feel the ground moving beneath my feet.laterallyabout 2 to 3 inches. No rolling nor bucking, just moving gently side to side in an even motion and oscillation. I actually laughed at Lois' hysteria over what I though was a small quake. I rode out the 8.7 quake in Manila on the 9th floor of the hotel. That quake threw the room's refrigerator out through the plate glass doors onto the balcony of the room. In the next two days, there were over 50 aftershocks of 7 or better. It was the only time that I was more than happy to leave Manila. None of our animals were injured. We had no damage to any structures, nor our 400 foot well. Just 1/2 mile away, the stone (sandstone) arch entry to the small city below (Wilkeson) was torn apart and destroyed, causing a road closurein and out of Wilkeson. This has since been cleared and only one pillar of the arch remains. Our location probably helped us avoid damage, as we are on a solid rock ridge above the city. We had to drill through 400 feet of solid rock before we found water for our well. A few things were moved around in the house, and a few things got tipped over by the quakebut nothing broken. The only thing damaged was Lois' composure. The Fjords went right back to doing what they do best.eating. Thanks to all for your concern for those of us in the area. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
Mother's Little Helper
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Mother's Little Helper << Little Susan was mother's helper. She helped set the table when company was due for dinner. Presently everything was on, the guest came in, and everyone sat down. Then Mother noticed something was missing. "Susan," she said, "You didn't put a knife and fork at Mr. Smith's place." "I thought he wouldn't need them," explained Susan. "Daddy says he always eats like a horse!" Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
RE: native feathers
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Merek, I'm sorry you're so full of sarcasm and bile. I had written a blistering letter to you, sat on it for several days, then discarded it. I was not going to be drawn down to your level. I have set up my e-mail program to automatically move any messages from you into the trash where they belong. Fred Pack Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:34 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: native feathers This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/31/01 1:57:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Oh I didn't know you were a NA Storme. yeah you can have those feathers legally then. None of the white poeple on the list can legally have them though. Yes even if you pick them up off the ground in your own yard. >> Well, maybe you could find the bird that lost them, and hot-glue them back on. Merek
Fun Internet Acronyms
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is another fun site to check for LOL, LMAO, etc. http://www.magicpub.com/netprimer/acronyms.html Have fun Fred
RE: age data base-- revision # 3 additions to.....again
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Behalf Of Frederick J. (Fred) Pack Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 8:55 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: age data base-- revision # 3 additions to This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: age data base-- revision # 3 katy andersen-14 caitlin-15 brigid wasson-29 lynn binkowski-29 anneli-34 susan ginise-34 sini seppala-34 steve white-35 amy white-? michele bigelow-35 michele noonan-35 reena-36 tammy hooper (id)-36 aimee day-36 lori albrough-36 russ ginise-37 jane myral(nd)-38 gunnar rogstad-38 candy sloma-38 jane in maine-38 lauren sellars-38 laura-38 PCarterAdler-38 amy evers-39 patty jo walter-39 catherine lassesen-40 mark mcginley-41 ed sloma-42 lisa-42 bonnie liermann-20+22? karen mccarthy-43 sheri kane-43 suzan-43 andrea salkow-44 dave bigelow-44 lisa pedersen-44 carole sweet-44 pauli seppala-45 ellen davidson-45 carm-46 linda hickman-46 pamela (northorse)-46 joni griffin-46 kim rogstad-46 sue giargiari-46 pat mccurty-47 denise delgado-47 micheal melbye-48 pam garofalo-49 sandra church-49 dawn (reddun)-49 teresa (kodiak fishco)-50 john ofjord-50 kathy spiegel-51 cheryl beillard-51 linda in minn-51 merek geiger-52 gail russel-53 marsha jo hannah-53 sue clark sorger-53 mike may-53 betsy bister-54 marion bijster-54 marty in md-54 cynthia madden-54 carol eberhardt 54 betsy in michigan-55 mike noonan-55 gail vinson in n.m.-55 dick giargiari-56 carol and patrick (jhalst)-56 julie will-56 steve mcilree-57 michael (reddun)-57 carol makosky-57 dan makosky-58 pat porter-58 peg knutsen-59 rondi tyler-60 jean ernst-60 carol tacey-60 carol rivoire-60 sue freivald-62 sue (ny)-63 bernie karns-63 tony dimuccio-63 fred pack-64 jack wasson-66 lois pack-67 mel goble-67 tillie evers-67 bud evers-71 jean gayle-75
RE: age data base-- revision # 3 additions to
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Behalf Of Denise Delgado Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:17 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fw: age data base-- revision # 3 This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: age data base-- revision # 3 katy andersen-14 caitlin-15 brigid wasson-29 lynn binkowski-29 anneli-34 susan ginise-34 sini seppala-34 steve white-35 amy white-? michele bigelow-35 michele noonan-35 reena-36 tammy hooper (id)-36 aimee day-36 lori albrough-36 russ ginise-37 jane myral(nd)-38 gunnar rogstad-38 candy sloma-38 jane in maine-38 lauren sellars-38 laura-38 PCarterAdler-38 amy evers-39 patty jo walter-39 catherine lassesen-40 mark mcginley-41 ed sloma-42 lisa-42 karen mccarthy-43 sheri kane-43 suzan-43 andrea salkow-44 dave bigelow-44 lisa pedersen-44 carole sweet-44 pauli seppala-45 ellen davidson-45 carm-46 linda hickman-46 pamela (northorse)-46 joni griffin-46 kim rogstad-46 sue giargiari-46 pat mccurty-47 denise delgado-47 micheal melbye-48 pam garofalo-49 sandra church-49 dawn (reddun)-49 teresa (kodiak fishco)-50 john ofjord-50 kathy spiegel-51 cheryl beillard-51 linda in minn-51 merek geiger-52 gail russel-53 marsha jo hannah-53 sue clark sorger-53 mike may-53 betsy bister-54 marion bijster-54 marty in md-54 cynthia madden-54 carol eberhardt 54 betsy in michigan-55 mike noonan-55 gail vinson in n.m.-55 dick giargiari-56 carol and patrick (jhalst)-56 julie will-56 steve mcilree-57 michael (reddun)-57 carol makosky-57 dan makosky-58 pat porter-58 rondi tyler-60 jean ernst-60 carol tacey-60 carol rivoire-60 sue freivald-62 sue (ny)-63 bernie karns-63 tony dimuccio-63 fred pack-64 jack wasson-66 lois pack-67 mel goble-67 tillie evers-67 bud evers-71 jean gayle-75
RE: reformating, mind games
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary, Someone wrote on this list, some time ago, that he/she stopped the problem by refusing to approach the horse until it stopped. One of my girls (mares) had a habit of banging on the gate until she was fed, WHEN SHE SAW ME COMING with the food. I tried the suggestion and stopped in front of the gate (on the outside) until the horse stopped and withdrew. It only took a couple of times.voila...no more banging. She KNOWS I will stop and not feed her if she does. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables (just a kid of 29) (inside) Ha, ha, ha!! Like grandma, like grandson!! Line puts her foot through the two bottom panels of her metal panel gate EVERY morning and bangs away demanding her breakfast! Same thing at dinner time! At least she waits until she hears the back door - or until someone turns on the barn lights - before she starts. But she doesn't quit until the food is in the feedbox! It annoys me no end, but there is just no easy way to break her of it and she never actually gets her foot caught - she's way to cagey for that - so I just 'grin and bear it'. Some things/behaviors are worth changing, others are not. If she's out in a pen with no metal gate to bang, she just paws and swishes impatiently until the food arrives. I thought maybe this behavior would stop now that she's the only horse - and it did for a brief while - but now she's back at it the same as before. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: Ages
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wel Jack Benny stopped counting at 39. I think I'll stop counting forward (now) at 64 (chronologically) and start counting backwards until I hit 39 again. After all, I'm only 39 on the inside (my child bride, Lois, would probably state a smaller number). You'll never take the kid out of me anyway. Fred Pack Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: My fingers slipped.
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, Storm and Sally are sure full of vim and vigor about the Fjords. No wonder your Gunnar fell in love with them. It didn't take long (while they were up here) to see that they have "good horse hands". The animals sense it. If you need a Fjord who love you, I just happen to have a few that I "might" part with. Fritzie (Fred Pack) Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA -Original Message- Jean Gayle Subject: Re: My fingers slipped. This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ahem, Fritzie, Nordski translates in German to Nord= north and ski=ski so believe it or not my error was in calling Norwegian Nordski. Storme and Sally and Storme's mother were here for an after dark visit with Gunnar who fell in love with them and them with him. Could not get them to spend time with my warmbloods just "that cute little guy". Did he ever put it on!!! I may be in the market for a fjord that really likes me, sob!!!Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
RE: My fingers slipped.
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh! But Jean et al, I cheat with my written German. Perhaps many do not know of the web site: http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/translate.dyn Type or paste in the phrase, select the language to convert tovoila Alas, no Norwegian to English or vice versa. I took Jean's phrase: Ya Fritz, wegen Nordski sprechen: and got this: Ya Fritz, because of north ski speak, in English. The German word for Norwegian (Person) is Norweger. A person who speaks Norwegian is: Norwegische Sprache. It is a fun site that many of you may find useful. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables 50% Danish, 1/4 Scott, the rest...English and French. But I speak 7 languages fairly well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jean Gayle Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:54 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: My fingers slipped. This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ya Fritz, wegen Nordski sprechen! Other than an accent which is probably Swedish I know no Norwegian. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
My fingers slipped.
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Was in der Welt auf hier geht. Fjordleute sollen " Norskies " sein, nicht deutsch. Fritz (Fred Pack) Pack's Peak Stables
RE: Visiting Fjords
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Storme and Sally, You are most gracious to write this about our "funny farm". We certainly enjoyed showing you around and introducing you (both) to our flock of critters. You are most welcome here anytime.especially now that you've found out where Pack's Peak is. Hucklebuck sends his best wishes also Thanks for the "plug" for our spread. To all: These gals are eager to learn and have fallen for Fjords. Invite them in and teach them. They absorb information like sponges. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Pack's Llama Way Wilkeson, WA USA (you wrote): Subject: Re: Visiting Fjords This message is from: Storme Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all~~ I had the pleasure of visiting Fred Pack and his wonderful home of Fjords, Llamas, dog deer and a various assortment of other beings. I had a wonderful time, thank you Fred. I have now seen other Fjords besides my Jordan, and I just love them. If any of you are thinking of buying a Fjord, Freds yearlings are amazing! They love to be touched and handled, are well mannered and just adorable. I will be going to the Montesano/Aberdeen area this coming Saturday-01/13/01--if any of you in that area will be in town I would love to stop by and see your Fjords as well. Thank you again Fred~~ Storme Lee
RE: A Tribute to Sylvi
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Between Jean E's beautiful poem, and the wonderful writers of this group. I can only addour heartfelt sympathy to any of those that lose a friend. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: Hi, we're back...
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Peg and Doug, We're all glad that "Jaws", jellyfish, or banditos didn't spoil your vacation. -- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Knutsen Fjord Safe and sound. Hi, yourself Yes, and you're late with you child support payments. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables PS, SWF (S'Willie) and Pepper are doing great. Does this qualify for my tri-daily report?
Immune One, Joint Mobility
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, I wrote to the outfit and am awaiting a reply. Many Thanks, Fred
RE: A Long Sad Winter...
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, you gave a link to the web sitewhich I triedbut could not find anything called "Joint Mobility". I found "Senior Mobility" and the "Immune One" pelets. Could the Joint Mobility be the same as Senior Mobility? Our Susie is now 26 and could use some help. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables
RE: New Pictures
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great pictures Peg. I "stole" the pictures of SWF and Pepper for our personal enjoyment. Fred and Lois Pack Proud owners of Silly Willie Filly and Pepper from Knutsen Fjord Farm. Hi all - New pictures on our web site. Enjoy! Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ >
RE: Two new arrivals
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cheaper by the dozen, Jean. Being a chauvinistic male, I prefer to keep all the girls to myself... Just call me a Sheik, with my harem. Fred Subject: Re: Two new arrivals This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So how many does that make now, Fred? Don't you need a stallion?
Two new arrivals
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We would like to announce the arrival of two new additions to our stable: Silly Willie Filly (we call her S'Willie) and Pepper from Knutsen Fjord Farms. Pepper (Pebermynt, I think) and Willie (Velhemine, again not sure of the spelling...the papers are in the house and my computer is out in my office), are progeny of our Susie (C-48) and half sisters. Pepper is a beautiful, well mannered 2 year old, and Willie is one of God's most beautiful creatures. Both are.magnificent. I was going to buy JUST Willie, but Willie refused to travel alone. We got only a mile from Knutsen's when it became apparent that Willie was stressing outbadly. We reversed course to return Willie to Knutsen's and thought to ship her commercially. Willie had never been alone before. It played out like a plot had been hatched between my wife and Peg K. They swear it isn't so, but I sensed a vast left wing conspiracy. I'd been had. Must be like potato chips. You can't always buy (eat) JUST one. SO..we bought her buddy (and half sister), Pepper (and darn glad we did.she is beautiful alsoand BIG) and traveled home safely. They promptly made themselves right at home, investigating all the hillshaving been raised on the flat. Up and downround and round Such fun to watch.beauty in motion. Are we happy here? YOU BET! We have two more beautiful girls to share our love with. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: Eye opener!!
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Eye opener!! Patty, you're lucky the cat didn't turn on you. Were you able to gather any cougar urine for future use? Amazing the Fjords didn't even bat an eye. Grateful you all survived.keep your "12" handy (hope it's loaded with 00 Buck). Fred and Lois Pack
RE: This is "special"
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No registry for Sire or Dam in either NFHR or Canadian registry. Special, my aching butt$10,500 for WHAT? Fred Pack's Peak Stables >Too bad there isn't a picture! What a buy! How could he be a palomino with a bay mane? I wanna see a picture! LOL http://www.horseclassifieds.com/bin/showhorse.pl?horseid=247236 >Internet Horse Classifieds - Breakwater Fjord Stallion >Take a look for yourselves. :-) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska,>
RE: not Fjord related.. Pamela
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike May wrote: Like "MoonWise" wrote, Pyr's don't have to be trained to do their job. It comes naturally. That's the beauty of the breed. We sent out first Pyr to obedience training. She came home and trained US. Our 2nd and 3rd Pyrs would obey all the commands that the "trained" dog will do. It is just natural in the dog. The third Pyr (it was number 2 that we lost) was a rescue Pyr. A rescue group found her in the pound at Salem, Oregon. She had been abandoned by her owner. One sweet lady brought her as far as Portland, and another brought her up to Olympia, WA. We went to Olympia to be "interviewed" for suitability. It was love at first sight. I sat down on the floor and the sweet Pyr came right to me and laid her head in my lap...that was it. I was accepted. BTW, our Pyrs are royalty up here. Empress and The Contessa.and they rule the roost. I can NOT recommend them highly enough to a person who has room AND a job for them. It is NOT a dog that can be confined to a small yard or apartment. To do so is only asking for trouble. Our fences are electrified, not only on top for the horses, but 6" from the ground to keep the Pyrs in, and other critters that would dig under the fenceOUT. Pyrs are roamers. They want to guard any livestock within 2 miles. Woe unto the possum that tries to sneak in. Our girls leave the dead ones as presents on our front porch. Also, to Jean Gayle, the Pyrs will NOT exercise your Corgi or Fjord. They will just lay around during the day with 1/2 an eye open looking for trouble. Although a white dog, they are most often dirt colored, love to KILL rocks (dig them up and carry them around). A Pyr seldom needs brushing, they take care of their coat themselves. I mentioned that Pyrs are dirt colored, it should be added that-that is only outside. When they want to come in, they miraculously become clean. Just like magic All the best to one and all, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables BTW, over 3,200 people have viewed each Libby Fjord show album. It is #16 most visited album sets at Photopoint.com. I get no rebate/gifts/deals from photopoint for pushing this. I just want all the photographs captioned.still lots to do. DO YOU KNOW WHO IS IN THAT PICTURE? Please let me know. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] albums available at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=923588&Auth=false
RE: not Fjord related.. Pamela
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Just had to add my two cents We have two Great Pyrenees bitches (had three, but lost one this spring due to a brain tumor). They are the greatest, most friendly, laid back, wonderful dogs that a person could belong to. Our two girls sleep most of the day, but during the nightthey constantly patrol the property. We have, among other critters, ducks and chickens loose. We have never lost one to anything that walks or crawls. We have lost some chicks to crows and hawks. Our girls leave us presents occasionally. A dead possum on the front porch that tried to sneak in etc. However, if barking keeps you (or your neighbors) awake at night, you don't want a Pyr. They are constantly warning predators away from their territory, calling to each other from opposite sides of the ranch. We have learned their "upset/danger" bark. When one lets out that bark, the other makes a b-line to assist. Ours come when called (mostly) and heel/follow/etc. on command. They are the most loyal dog breed that we have ever been involved with. Woe be to the intruder on or property, whether they have four legsor two. These dogs have an outstanding sense of human character. A new meter man/woman can come on the property and the Pyr's will love them to deathBUT if they decide that the intruder is up to no goodtake the person down, and sit on them until I come. The last person that found out the hard way was an ex workman of ours who decided to show up when we weren't home and help himself to some of out stuff. Even though the dogs knew this person, when they decided that he was up to no good, they took him downand waited for me to come home. I came home to find the ex-workman flat on the ground with one of the girls sitting on his belly. A "almost stolen" radio was on the ground beside him. We left him that way until the police arrived. We've never had a problem since. I guess the "word" got around. I rely on their judgement too. If they immediately don't like someone, it has always turned out that that person was not to be trusted. Sorry folks, I guess I spent more than two cents here. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA >[T]he Pyrenees are supposed to be wonderful guard dogs. How are they with cats?< In my humble opinion, if you love Fjords, you'll love Great Pyrenees.
RE: Storme Lee visitation
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, I can truthfully say that I have never met a person from Montana that I didn't like. As the luck of birth would have it, I am from Utah and the wife (Lois, child bride of 45 years) is from Pennsylvania. I'm not biased, but I think Lois is a neat lady, and she thinks I'm a *&^% sometimes. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (We wrote) > and a 5 year old Black Tail buck deer that lives with us and >sleeps in the middle of the living room. Thinks he's a dog. > >Fred and Lois Pack Then Ruthie wrote: Then I wrote what's on top.
Storme Lee visitation
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Storme Lee Well, if you want to travel towards Mount Rainier...40 miles SE of Seattle, you can come visit us. We are Fred and Lois Pack of Pack's Peak Stables. Our location is above Wilkeson, WA. Yeah, Yeah...where's Wilkeson?... You probably know where Enumclaw is...go South to Buckley...go south on State 165 to Wilkeson (5 miles South of Buckley). We are 20 miles due east of Puyallup. Give us a call at (360) 829-2766. Best time to visit is between noon and 3 PM. Chores start again at 3. We have 10 Fjords (one yearling and three weanlings)...all female. Miniature Horses, Llamas, Peacocks, Chinchillas, quail, doves, rare pheasants, and a 5 year old Black Tail buck deer that lives with us and sleeps in the middle of the living room. Thinks he's a dog. Fred and Lois Pack
RE: The PONY DRAFTS go show
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For you draft show enthusiasts, The Western Washington Draft show is held in Monroe, WA every year. The Fjords competed in only ONE show and beat the socks off the rest. Now, the WW Draft show will NOT allow Fjords to enter. Go figure. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA PS I still need to fill in some captions on the Libby Fjord Horse show. go to http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=923588 for the album list, OR http:www/photopoint.com and enter my e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the Visit albums box, then click Visit for the album list.
RE: Libby show.....with the BIG BOYS !
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa Pederson wrote: Lisa I guess you haven't looked at the photo albums. Jeff is shown in: MVC-834s, shown in my Libby Series 3 album...captioned: mvc-834s. Jeff Pederson. Pederson Fjords. Cedar City, UT. Pederson Fjords. Was it the same picture? Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA
Libby Fjord Show Photographs
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As of this morning, here are the number of hits on the Libby albums. Album List for fpack Album Name Libby 2000 Series 1 2448 Libby 2000 Series 2 2363 Libby 2000 Series 3 1385 Libby 2000 Series 4 1309 Zagorska 372 To get to the Libby albums, click on http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=923588&Auth=false Yes, I'm sending the information AGAIN. I need names for the pictures. Contestant, horse, and farm/ranch. Send the information to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, important stuff. For those of you that want to save the pictures to your computer, I found a way to get to the high resolution pictures at the PhotoPoint site. When you click on the thumbnail (tiny) picture, you then get a larger view of the same pictureTHEN click on the larger picture and you get a full screen, high resolution picture. Save this one to disk/computer. You can send the digital image file (i.e. mvc-726s.jpg) to any photo processing company to get prints on your own...now...or at a future date, or to view on your own at a future time. The high resolution pictures at PhotoPoint are EXACTLY the same as my masters here. Call me at (360) 829-2766 call if you have special needs or need more help that can't be done in a message. Hope this helps somebody, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Libby video
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Beth, from Starfire farms wrote: Amen to that. Sandy North taped for hours and missed most of the show to provide that video. We owe her a vote of thanks for doing so. I intend to purchase the video, even though I have my own. I offered copies of my video as a private person, not representing the PNFPG. My video was made for the use of my trainers, to show them what events etc. are shown, and how. A copy of my video was offered to Sandy (in VHS) to include, but she wants a Hi-8 digital copy. I can not find an inexpensive place that will make another master copy. So I have offered my video to those that might want another perspective of the show. These I can do on my own equipment, without having to send anything out to be done by a commercial outfit. The last thing I want to do is step on someone's toes. The still photographs provided at PhotoPoint, for viewing/downloading/printing was done because I wanted to give something back to the group, AND it didn't cost me anything to do soexcept my time. I can not provide copies of my video at my own expense. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Come on folks. I need some assistance.
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear list members, I'm trying to caption the Libby show pictures but I can't recognize everybody. Unfortunately, only a few. The ones that I've been able to caption have been where numbers are visible in the picture, OR someone has e-mailed me which picture is which. If YOU want YOUR picture captionedyou gotta let me know. I need the person showing, the horse name, and the farm name. Please post me privately, rather that clutter up the list... at [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you can't remember how to get to the photos, go to http://www.photopoint.com and in the "Visit Albums" box, enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will take you to all the albums. Sharpen up your fingers and get me the names etc. PLEASE! Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: Want some prints of the Libby show?
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, this is NOT one of those free web sites. They offer you some free prints to join in the hopes that you will order more in the future. ImageStation at Sony has made some high quality stuff for meat a reasonable price. On the site is a check box as to whether or not you want to receive e-mail from them OR not wish to share your address with other vendors linked to Sony. I get no Spam stuff from Sony or affiliates. Fred Fred regarding all of these "free" websites, don't you pick up advertising? I am on someone's list and get four or five ads a day and am trying to squelch them through "abuse.net" and my on line assist. Jean> ] Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Libby 2000 picture series
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Many thanks to Betsy Billeter, and Shirley Anderson for sending me excellent contestant lists (including Sires and Dams) for the Libby entries. They put a lot of work into formatting these lists. As I have time, I will be updating the captions to the pictures, where able. With Betsy's and Shirley's permission, I will be including these lists with my video. Betsy and ShirleyOK with you? As of this morning, here are the hits on the pictures: Libby 2000 Series 1 1869 Libby 2000 Series 2 1387 Libby 2000 Series 3 762 Libby 2000 Series 4 535 this album only became available at midnight, PDT, last night. Zagorska 308 This tells me that "someone" is enjoying the pictures. That makes my time spent worth while. All the best to all, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Libby 2000 series 4 is now available for viewing
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Series 4 is available. This is the final series of 188 pictures taken at Libby 2000. To view, click on http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=923588&a=8808754 It is midnight and I'm about to turn into a pumpkin. Fred Pack
Libby 2000 Series 4
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Libby photo series 4 has been uploaded to PhotoPoint, but not processed by their server. Until processes by PhotoPoint, I can not move them to album series 4. Gotta hit the sack. I will check for proper processing by PhotoPoint in the morning, then move them to the album. Sorry for the delay, but had a million things to do/go wrong today. I'll post a message when the pictures are ready to view. Fatigued Fred
Want some prints of the Libby show?
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you want some prints of the Libby show.for free Here's How... Go to one of my albums of the Libby show, click on the picture you want to get the full size image on your screen. Windows users, right click on the picture and a Save As box pops up. Save the picture to your computer. MAC users will have to save to desktopBUT be sure it is NOT saved as a .dat filebut a .jpg file. go to http://www.imagestation.com/ and click on the box "Join Imagestation and get 50 free prints". Join, then upload the pictures that you saved to disk to the site. The pictures that I shot were in low resolution, so the maximum size for prints should be a 4x6. Voila, you get free prints. I have had an account with Sony for some time and they do good work. Got some ball caps and coffee mugs with Fjords on them and some good prints made. Prints MAY be ordered from PhotoPoint while viewing the albums. Check the pictures desired and click on the ClipBoard icon on the left side of the screen, then follow directions. 4x6 prints are $.49 each. I do NOT sell prints myself. All the photographs in Libby Series 1-4 are YOURS for the downloading/printing. I have NOT used PhotoPoint to make prints. I used them because they would accept my big files (so far). If PhotoPoint limits my uploads, I will shift the pictures to imagestation at Sony. Making my still pictures available is my way of saying thanks to some very good peoplehowever I will have to charge $25 for the video. Fred
RE: Libby Fjord show series 3 available for viewing
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Tillie, Knowing that the regular photographer was going to be absent, it is a pleasure to be able to share the show with everybody. As of this morning, 1,547 people have visited just Libby series 1. I hope PhotoPoint doesn't throw up when I upload another 2+ Megs of photos to Series 4. It takes me 2 hours to upload and arrange the photos of each series. Gonna start on series 4 now. Should be available in a couple of hours, depending on chores and "honey-doo's". Should be available by tonight. We did well getting away for Libby. I think my hired help would quit if we tried to take off again so soon. Lois and I would love to go and meet more good Fjord people.alas'twas not to be..darn. All the best to all, Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Fred . We do appreciate what you have made available for us.Make us want to plan on being there next year.Are you making it to Turlock? Tillie Bud & Tillie Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Libby Fjord show series 3 available for viewing
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Series 3 of the Libby, Montana Fjord show is available at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=923588&a=8808746 I am still looking for a list of entries at the show.i.e208 Jane Doe of Picklewood Farms (fictitious name and number and farm) etc. 209 June Doe Wedgwood Farms etc Please, the REAL 208, or 209 (whoever you are) don't be offended. I need the rider/shower's name, the horse's name, and the farm/ranch name for each photo. I need to put names to photographs.HELP... Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Libby 2000 Series 2 photos available
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Second series of Libby Fjord Horse show pictures available at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=923588&a=8801269 If anyone wants a copy of the video that I took, please contact me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] There would be a nominal fee for my time involved to copy the master tape and mail. Enjoy the pictures, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables (also master photographer) Wilkeson, WA USA
Need contestant/entry number sheet
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, In photographing the Libby show, I tried to photograph the entry sheet on the bulletin board. The pictures did not turn out well enough to make out the entries. If someone has a copy of the entries, please e-mail it to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, I am starting to upload more still pictures to the PhotoPoint site. These albums will be labeled: Libby 2000 series 1, series 2, etc. To get to all the albums: click on... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=923588 for the album of your choice. I hope everyone enjoys the pictures. The Libby Photos are NOT copyrighted and may be downloaded/copied as you wish. The photos in the Zagorska album ARE copyrighted. I have made a VHS master of my Libby video (from Hi-8 digital). It turned out excellent, even without editing anything.I am trying to find someone who can master my Hi-8 to another Hi-8 so I can give it to Sandy North to add the show tape. Got some darn good video, albeit a lot of chatter in the background sound from spectators and the radios that I had tuned to the ring steward etcas well as calls from my wife. You'll have to put up with it.it adds to the flavor of the show. You'll know who won before it was announced on the PA system. We want to express to great appreciation to the good people we met there. Kudos' to all those that took the time to come and show their horses. Everyone who took the time and trouble to show.deserves an award. Hope you enjoy the pictures. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Libby 2000 Show
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The first 50 (still) photos that I took at Libby are available at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=923588&a=8793266 The series starts with some area shots, then the weanling filly classthen follows the program I am unable to identify all the horses/breeders/showerssoIf you recognize someoneand the event: Drop me a note and I will add it to the photo description. Be sure to identify the photo number in the album. I have over 200 still shots, plus 2hrs of digital video tape that I shot at Libby. As I have time, I will be posting how to access the rest of the photos. Enjoy Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: Autopsy
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Gail, Lois' and my hearts go out to you. Damn, but it hurts when something like this happens. Makes you love your remaining animals just a little bit more. God only puts them in our charge for a little while. Someone else wrote this. I am including it here. Don't cry for the horses that life has set free. A million white horses forever to be. Don't cry for the horses now in God's hand. As they dance and they prance in a heavenly band. They were ours as a gift, but never to keep. As they close their eyes forever to sleep. Their spirits unbound. On silver wings they fly. A million white horses against the blue sky. Look up into heaven, you'll see them above. The horses we lost, the horses we loved. Manes and tails flowing they gallop through time. They were never yours - they were never mine. Don't cry for the horses. They'll be back someday. When our time is gone, they will show us the way. Do you hear that soft nicker? Close to your ear? Don't cry for the horses. Love the ones that are here. (author unknown) Love from Fred and Lois Pack This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Horse just died after valiant effort on her part. Vet does horses, but just not very good.
RE: My first fjord
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, and welcome Storme: I learned a trick from Dennis Johnson, owner of Springhill Fjords (who we just visited and brought home two weanling fillies and a yearling filly). He uses a "Cake Breaker" such as what is used to cut a chiffon cake to hold up the mane while trimming. This is the same thing that Black Americans use on their hair. You will often see one sticking out of their back pocket. By using the tool to hold up the mane to the desired height, you can use electric trimmers (parallel to the tines) to get an even trim. Just like a barber uses his clippers alongside a comb. As for the shape of the mane, I will leave that to the experts..I am still learning how to do it properly also. I might suggest that you check the available photographs at members web sites. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA This message is from: Storme Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My question is...how do I trim my Fjords mane? It is the most beautiful sight on the planet when I go to the pasture and he comes running up to me. I want to do it properly. The person that I bought him from did it herself and she was by no means a master at it gauging from the pictures that I have seen. Of course I have never seen another Fjord in person. Any hints and suggestions would be wonderful. Any books or articles? thank you. Storme (one who is truly in love with her Fjord)
Craig, Reiner saddle
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Had anyone had any experience with this saddle? I need a second saddle, less expensive than my Ortho-Flex, for a second saddle. Something lighter weight that I can let a friend ride with me and use on our Fjords during training. Also a saddle that I can "Knock about" a little without feeling like I am scratching my Ferrari (Ortho-Flex). I'm not real sure of the name of this saddle, but it runs about $1,000. Help! Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables
RE: New photos
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Beth, Loved the pictures.. Thanks... Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Starfire Farm, LLC Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:39 AM To: fjord horse mailing list Subject: New photos
PhotoPoint album for Zagorska
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thought I would try out Jean E's PhotoPoint. Sent a bunch of pictures of our filly foal Zagorska. She can be seen at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=923588&a=6741915 Included is the HorseQuest prize winning photo of mother and daughter in BIG/High Quality format. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
A small brag, and thanks..
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The picture of our mare, Troikaand filly foal Zagorska won the foal photo contest at HorseQuest. The winning picture can be seen at: http://www.horsequest.com/photocon/set4.html. It is the top/right picture dated: May 13 to May 31, 2000, foal. Thanks to those of you that voted for our picture. Now I have to figure out how to collect our prize. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA Breeders of fine Fjords She (just) might be for sale...the foal...that is contact me privately if interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (360) 829-2766
RE: Ticks
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine..You probably already know this, but Skin so Soft is laced with Citronella That ingredient is what keeps the bugs away. All the best, Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Catherine Lassesen Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:43 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Ticks This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We use Skin so Soft by Avon With sun screen for our paint boy that has a white (no pink) nose from the sun. Catherine Lassesen
RE: resend of unabashed self plug. Plus foal Scours
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our baby filly is in the process of being weaned No more scours(so far) Thanks for everyone's vote for this beautiful little girl. Fred This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Fred you got our vote also. What a cutie she is . She is a winner in a lot of ways already. She looks healthy and her mama loves her. Keep us posted. Tillie Bud & Tillie Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
test message....please ignore
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> test
resend of unabashed self plug.
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> First message did not appear on the Fjord list. Hi all, HorseQuest is presently running the mare/foal picture of our Troika/Zagorska as #10 at http://www.horsequest.com/photobab.html. Picture taken the day after she was born (January 29, 2000) on January 30, 2000. We are very proud of this beautiful little girl. This is the same picture posted in the nursery of NFHR. Hope we win. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA Breeders of fine Fjords.
Foal Scours
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, Many, many thanks to all who responded privately, and on the list. We think we have the problem solved, then the "squirts" begin again. It seems that it is an every other day happening. The mare's food has been cut down to reduce the richness of the milk and grain for both mother and daughter is now strictly CornOatsBarley (COB for our non-American friends). I don't think the problem will be solved until we wean the baby. She will be four months old on the 29th of May. We will wean her then, get the cotton for our ears (to muffle the "screams") and turn on the "White Noise" generator. Ever seen a baby nurse THROUGH a fence. We did when our first Fjord was weaned. Not being completely stupid, we decided that more than a fence must separate mother and baby. Wasn't much fun listening to the distressed sounds from the mare and baby. Oh well, it goes with the territory... Again, thanks to all for the suggestions. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Foal Scours
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, (resend of message...sorry...I sent the first one in HTML) Many, many thanks to all who responded privately, and on the list. We think we have the problem solved, then the "squirts" begin again. It seems that it is an every other day happening. The mare's food has been cut down to reduce the richness of the milk and grain for both mother and daughter is now strictly CornOatsBarley (COB for our non-American friends). I don't think the problem will be solved until we wean the baby. She will be four months old on the 29th of May. We will wean her then, get the cotton for our ears (to muffle the "screams") and turn on the "White Noise" generator. Ever seen a baby nurse THROUGH a fence. We did when our first Fjord was weaned. Not being completely stupid, we decided that more than a fence must separate mother and baby. Wasn't much fun listening to the distressed sounds from the mare and baby. Oh well, it goes with the territory... Again, thanks to all for the suggestions. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: Poem for Catherine and Markman
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Catherine and all, with special thanks for the poem to Jean Ernest We lost a miniature foal last week. The baby had died in the womb and the mother could not get it out the birth canal. It took all my, and the vet's strength, to dislodge the dead baby. The head was depressed (not nose first) which probably caused the baby to die before birth. The head was deformed, with the lower jaw much longer than the nose. It probably would have been unable to eat. Possibly God saw fit to call back this little creature. We would have had to make the choice of putting the colt down. The next morning, we were sent another baby, a beautiful female Llama cria (baby), which eased the pain. Yet, the pain and heartache will never go away. Catherine, our family grieves with youand any others that have God's choice creatures removed from their care. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: How to uninstall Windows Scripting Host - Windows 98
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By the way, VBS is Visual Basic Scripting. You program something using the WindowsScriptingHost or respond to the commands that another computer send you.JUST LIKE THE VIRUS DOES. -Original Message- From: Frederick J. Pack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 6:42 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com'; 'Robert Hessler'; 'George Beresford Southy'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Mike May'; 'Bob Campbell'; 'Jack Thompson Snuzz' Subject: How to uninstall Windows Scripting Host - Windows 98 If any of you are running Windows98, you can protect your computer from the "Love Bug" or any variants that use the Windows Scripting Host function. If you don't know what it is, then you are probably not using it. The instructions for removing WSH from your computer are contained in the link page. If you are using any other platform than Windows, these variants of the bug CAN NOT AFFECT YOU.PERIOD. Hope this may help someone. Fred Pack http://www.f-secure.com/virus-info/u-vbs/uninstall-vbs.html
FW: Trend Virus Report AND where to get a housecall for virus scan and repair.
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Need some advice.
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our foal, born January 29th, has had recurrent bouts of diarrhea. These do NOT seem to be associated with foal heat. First we tried a series of Pepto Bismol doses. These stemmed the problem for a short time, then the diarrhea started again. We have had a fecal check done. No parasites. Then we tried a series of Bismuth doses (Equi-Biz) using 15cc x 3 times a day for two days. Again the diarrhea almost stopped. Now we have removed any grain from the diet (Equine Junior) and diet strictly of Orchard Grass and mama's milk. Perhaps we should have the mare's milk checked. What would we check for? Finally, she is back on Equi-Biz and ProBios at a dosage of 15cc Bismuth and 10cc ProBios today (without any grain), three times a day. She has had only one movement (semi-firm) between 5PM and now (9:30PM). She has been allowed only limited pasture on VERY short grass, and only for 2-3 hours today. We would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA US
RE: Birth Announcement
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ditto. But I think mine is cuter Fred Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julie Will Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:13 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Birth Announcement This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What a cutie! Enjoy! Love, Julie - Original Message - From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Birth Announcement > This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Bluebird Lane Kestrel was born this morning at 6 am. A wonderful filly out > of Roza [Fjelljon x Lisa] by Felix [Haugjo x Ella] > > Mother and daughter are both doing great! Lori & Stefan are floating on air. > > To see some pictures of Kestrel click on http://www.bluebirdlane.com/kestrel > > Lori
Horse wanted
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been contacted by Terrie Maas, here in Washington state. She is looking for a gelding she can ride, 14-15h in the $3,000 price range. Anyone interested, contact her at 253-862-0494 directly. Her e-mail is not presently working. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
FW: **** New on the NFHR Web Site ****
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Forgot to say: BRAVO LORI also! Fred Pack -Original Message- From: Frederick J. Pack II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick J. (Fred) Pack Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:08 PM To: 'fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com' Subject: RE: New on the NFHR Web Site Simply put. BRAVO MIKE! Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: **** New on the NFHR Web Site ****
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Simply put. BRAVO MIKE! Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
RE: orthoflex saddles
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Denise, I also have an Ortho-Flex, western saddle. The worst that I can say about it is: "I LOVE IT". Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Denise Delgado Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:19 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: orthoflex saddles This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear listers, am contemplating a new saddle. i would like to link up via email privately with anyone who has, or had an orthoflex saddle. i am doing research and am getting conflicting messages. please email me, if you can help. thanks, denise
humor
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One day in heaven, Saint Peter, Saint Paul and Saint John were standing around near the horse paddocks watching the horses frolic. "I am certainly bored," stated John. "Me too," Paul chimed in. Peter stood and watched the horses. "I know!" Peter began. "Why don't we have a horse show?" Paul and John thought that the idea was great except for one small detail that Paul pointed out. "Who are we to compete against, Peter?" Paul asked. The trio pondered a moment when Peter realized the answer. "We will call up Satan and invite him to the horse show. I mean, we have all of the finest horses here in heaven, all of the World and National Champions are here. His stable is ridden with the spoiled, difficult and mean horses. We are certain to win at the show!" And so the trio calls up Satan on the other realm communication lines and invited him to their horse show. Satan laughed and asked why they would want to be humiliated like that, because he would certainly beat them. Peter, Paul and John did not understand. "What do you mean Satan?" Peter asked. "We have all of the National and World Champion horses in our stable in heaven. How could you possibly beat us?" Satan paused a moment and then laughed. "Have you forgotten so soon gentlemen? I have all the judges!"
RE: sad sad sad
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Janne, Words can not express our sorrow for your loss. That foal will be waiting for you at the Rainbow Bridge when YOUR time comes. She will lead you into Heaven. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janne Myrdal Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 2:24 PM To: Fjord Digest Subject: sad sad sad
RE:
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is a Hoax: This is from Symantec: see below: BUDDYLST.ZIP Aliases: Budweiser Infection length: Hoax Area of infection: Hoax Likelihood: Hoax Region reported: Online Characteristics: Hoax Target platform: Hoax Trigger date: Hoax Description: BUDDYLST.ZIP is not a virus. It is a hoax. The "virus" does not exist. There is currently no virus that has the characteristics ascribed to BUDDYLST.ZIP. It is a sham, meant only to panic new or inexperienced computer users. The hoax message includes the following "warning" in several forms: Form 1: Yesterday a friend of mine called and told me about something that happened to him. He opened his E-mail and this BUDDYLST.ZIP was there. When he opened it his computer crashed and when he tried to re-boot he had lost everything! It was a Virus that os being passed around...BEWARE! Please forward to as many people as you can so no one will get hurt. These people need to be stopped. Don't download anything form "buddylst.zip" or you will lose all your files. Form 2: A computer virus is going around! It is called BUDDYLST.ZIP! Do not download or some jerk from the internet will get your screen name and password! Please send this to any names you can think of and remember never download BUDDYLST.ZIP Form 3: VIRUS ALERT Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the Budweiser Frogs - "BUDDYLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get your screen name and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!! IT JUST WENT INTO circulation yesterday, as far as we know. Please distribute/inform this message. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so at this may be stopped. Also do not open or even look at any mail that says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete mail=A0 items that say this. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please practice cautionary measures and forward this to all you on-line friends ASAP. Form 4: I have received a warning from a v.reliable source regarding an EVIL new virus. PLEASE NOTE: You may receive an Email from an apparently harmless Budweiser screen saver, entitled BUDDYLST.SIP If you do, DO NOT OPEN IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! Once opened, you will lose EVERYTHING on your PC. Your hard disk will be completely destroyed and the person who sent you the message will have access to your name and password via the Internet. As far as we know this virus was circulated yesterday morning. It's a brand new virus and extremely dangerous. Please copy this information and Email it to everyone in your address book. We need to do all we can to block this virus. AOL, Demon and now BT Internet have confirmed how dangerous it is and there is no Anti-Virus program as yet capable of destroying it. Please take all necessary precautions and pass this information on to your friends, acquaintances and work colleagues. Please ignore any messages regarding this supposed "virus" and do not pass on any messages regarding it. Passing on messages about this hoax serves only to further propagate it. Tell a Friend about this Write-Up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of fjords Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:23 PM To: Fjordhorse List Subject: This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is fronm [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Here's a new virus warning >> Date: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:42 PM >> Subject: Virus warning >> >> VERY IMPORTANT - EXTREMELY DANGEROUS VIRUS >> >> This information came from Microsoft yesterday morning. >> Please, pass it on to anyone you know who has access to the Internet. >> >> You may receive an apparently harmless Budweiser screen >> saver,entitled "BUDDYLST.SIP". If you do, DO NOT OPEN IT UNDER ANY >> CIRCUMSTANCES, but delete it immediately. >> >> Once opened, you will lose EVERYTHING on your PC. Your hard >> disk will be completely destroyed and the person-who sent you the message >> will have access to your name and password via the Internet. As far as we >> know, the virus was circulated yesterday morning. It's a new virus and >> extremely dangerous. Please copy this information and e-mail it to >> everyone >> in your address book. We need to do all we can to block this virus. AOL >> has >> confirmed how dangerous it is and that there is no Antivirus program as >> yet >> which has thi in it's signature file. >
RE: 20 gauge
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are correct, except thata slug for the shotgun...called a sabot was developed. These will go right through an engine or a 6" brick wall. During one of the layoffs with Northwest Airlines, I worked 2 years as a police officer in Bloomington, Minnesota. We were trained in the combat aspects of using a shotgun. Nothing, repeat nothing, can equal a shotgun in close quarters. If I had to go after a cougar or bear that was endangering my animals, I would opt for my riot gun (legal) every time. I carry the first two shots as 00 Buck, the next two are slugs, the next four are fleschette rounds. One of the beauties of using a shotgun is that the rounds will not carry to the next ranch so the need to ascertain a good backstop (before firing) is moot. A shot into the air to frighten away a predator will not come down on your neighbors head.. The ladies choice of a 20 gauge vs. a 12 gauge is a wise one. She can handle the 20, and it carries almost as much punch.when needed. Sorry list...for the gun stuff. But a gun is nothing more than a tool. Used wisely and it can protect you and yours. I like the analogy of a match. A match can cook your food.or it can start a forest fire Depends on how wisely you use it. Fred Pack Captain, Northwest Airlines ret. Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 10:38 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: 20 guage This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] During my tour, I recall MP's carrying shotguns when guarding various buildings (e.g., embassy, airport guardhouses, etc.) and assumed they were for close in work. I also recall that they fell out of favor because they don't do a good job penetrating steel (e.g., cars/trucks rigged as suicide bombs)
RE: 20 gauge
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Amen to that Merek. I would rather have a Remington 870 with a pistol grip (loaded with 00 Buck) for any close quarters need..including Bear or Cougar..or. than any rifle. In Viet Nam most of the shotguns used flechette rounds. If you don't know what they are, don't ask.they are nasty. Keep one handy with an extended 8 shot tubular magazine. We also have Great Pyrenees LGD's (Livestock Guardian Dogs). Had three, now have two. One is waiting for me at the Rainbow Bridge. Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 10:05 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: 20 gauge This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shotguns were big in 'Nam. Rapid-fire, large-magazine weapons to chop the brush and hopefully hit any enemy hiding there. Merek
RE: Do you Remember?
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Mike! Is is because I can answer them all correctly that my child bride calls me a dirty old man? "If you remember 16-25 = You're older than dirt!" Perfect score.25 Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike May Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 6:05 AM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: Do you Remember?
RE: sale horses on Digital Camera
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Merek, I can buy a heck of a lot of floppies for $100.00. And, it takes less than three seconds to copy a megapixel picture to disk. I need no special adapters, cards, cords, or special viewers to look at the pictures. Also, I can take a 60 second MPEG movie (with sound) on that same floppy. I can annotate, by voice, each picture as it is taken, whether it be a still OR a MPEG movieand in stereo. Try that with your camera. Fred Pack Dedicated Sony FD-91 user (with a pocketful of floppies..worth pennies). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 11:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: sale horses on Digital Camera This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/8/00 1:20:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The Mavica will take 40+ pictures per disk at low resolution at 480x640 and 16-17 at high resolution. Larger megapixel picture in high quality will yield only 4-5 per disk. BUTfloppies are dirt cheap and easy to stick a bunch in a shirtpocket. Bust one and you're out pennies. Bust one of the smart cards/flash storage and you're out big bucks. >> The 48Meg CF card is $100 online, and quite rugged. It survives a drop and will not bend or crack like the Smartmedia cards can. And it stores in less than a second, so you can shoot quickly. A disc takes time to write the data, and you are dead during that time. Merek
RE: Dig Cameras and cool photos
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please see the notes inserted into your message: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:33 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Dig Cameras and cool photos This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well since you all are so Digital minded, can you guys tell me if you can back up over a bad video or still and retake a picture? YOU CAN ERASE ANY PICTURE OR MOVIE TAKEN WITH THE SONY (USING DISKS). Can you do that. SEE ANSWER ABOVE Being new at it I had trouble with my timing. Can you tape over discs you don't care for? YOU CAN ERASE ANY PART OF THE DISK...SUCH AS PICTURE NUMBER xxx OR EASILY REFORMAT THE ENTIRE DISK WHILE IT IS IN THE CAMERA. ACTION SHOTS ARE A SNAP. YOU CAN MAKE THE CAMERA SPEED PRIORITY, I.E. SET THE "SHUTTER" SPEED AND LET THE CAMERA SELECT THE f-stop (how much light the lens lets into the camera). OR, you can set the f-stop as priority and the camera will select the proper speed for proper exposure. Thanks in advance. I haven't even finished reading the booklet I was having to much fun with it. YOU CAN PLAY ALL YOU WANT WITH A DIGITAL CAMERA. SIMPLY ERASE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP..OR ERASE IT ALL AND START OVER. NO FILM WASTED WITH BAD SHOTS. Forgive the capital letters. I used them to define my answers to the questions. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Amateur/Professional Photographer and retired aviator.
RE: sale horses on Digital Camera
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, The Mavica will take 40+ pictures per disk at low resolution at 480x640 and 16-17 at high resolution. Larger megapixel picture in high quality will yield only 4-5 per disk. BUTfloppies are dirt cheap and easy to stick a bunch in a shirtpocket. Bust one and you're out pennies. Bust one of the smart cards/flash storage and you're out big bucks. Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:40 PM To: fjordhorse@ANGUS.MYSTERY.COM Subject: Re: sale horses on Digital Camera This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are getting 30 pictures on oen floppy, you must have the quality level set very low. A single picture from my Sony at max quality is a 150k or so file, and that is at 480X640 resolution. maybe 8 fit on a disc. If you select a better quality level, such as if you were going to print them, you would get only a few pictures on a disc, 1.4 Megs goes very quickly with images. Mere
RE: sale horses on Digital Camera
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Laura, The shots of our new foal (posted on the NFHR site...nursery) and on our own page were take with a digital camera. Not pushing any particular camera, but I (and Jean of Fairbanks) use the Sony Mavica FD-91. Pictures load to a floppy diskslap the disk in the computervoila No wires, cables, smart cards etc It works, All the best, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 3:34 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: sale horses on Digital Camera
RE: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cathy, Congratulations. Looks like foals are popping out all over the West. Our mare was 333 days of gestation.s.. about a week early. Catherine Lassen is already arranging a date with my little girl. How about yours? Good luck, and again congratulations. I hope you're as happy as we are. Fred Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Misty Meadows B & B Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:58 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just uploaded two pictures of the new foal. They can be seen at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158/OurFamilyPho.html Some of the pictures are high quality and will take a little longer to download. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Creator of the "Clinton Bridge to the 21st Century"
We are proud to announce....
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi friends, Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. "Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her "Saturday Night Special". The mare is Troika out of Suzy and the sire is Anne Appleby's Misha (out of Gromar). Elated, and dog tired. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables
RE: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes Jean, they are both Russian names. It is really an educated SWAG (Scientific Wild A** Guess) that she will be a white dun. I have never seen a foal before this light in color. Pooped out near Seattle. Fred Pack -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jean Gayle Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 9:38 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: We are pleased to announce This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations Fred on Zagorska. Sounds mysterious and sexy!!! Troika is Russian, yes? So is Zagorska? Jean
RE: Mules and head reading
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, we also raise miniature horses. Information about the miniatures can be found at http://www.amhr.com Fred Pack By the way, I've been wondering, too, if mini-pigs are bred to be small like miniature horses. Does someone know where to get more detailed info on what the process is like that has made miniature horses smaller and smaller (although the initial individuals were bigger than the final results). It would also be interesting to know more about their health - VERY HEALTHY. if they are as healthy as horses in general or if there are some special problems they are more likely to have. NO SPECIAL PROBLEMS. Thank you have a beautiful Sunday, all. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi friends, Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. "Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her "Saturday Night Special". The mare is Troika... out of Suzy and Leidjo. The sire is Anne Appleby's Misha (out of Gromar). I will send some pictures to the NFHR site. Elated, and dog tired. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables
RE: News For URSULA & BRIAN
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulation Catherine. "We" are expecting the first week of February. What was your gestation length? Thanks, Fred -Original Message- Subject: News For URSULA & BRIAN This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Get a CIGAR out for Samstein! Kristi has her baby at 12:01 am
FW: [HORSE-SENSE:1687] horse chewing wood
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am forwarding an article from Horse sense relative to horses chewing. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessica Jahiel Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [HORSE-SENSE:1687] horse chewing woood >From: Patrick >Subject: horse chewing wood> > >Dear Jessica, you do so much to help riders everywhere, I just wanted you to know that it's appreciated. Whenever I want good information with no commercials and no b.s., I count on you. Thank you. > >One of our horses came to us about six months back, and since that time he has eaten his way through several boards and pieces of two gates. It's driving us nuts. We've tried various solutions painted on the wood, two commercial ones (chew stop and no chew) and they haven't made any difference in his behavior. We've also tried Tabasco sauce and liquid soap, but he still keeps chewing. > >I know you'll ask me this, so the answer is that he really does get enough turnout time, like all day every day! He comes in at night and spends the night in his stall with about half a bale of hay, so it's not like he doesn't have anything to chew. > >I forgot to mention this to my vet when she was out here in October. Should I call her, or is there anything she is likely to be able to do about it? I don't want to drug the horse, and I'm not real impressed with cribbing collars. Anyway he isn't technically cribbing, just chewing wood and eating it. Do you have any suggestions for me? All of our horses get mixed hay (alfalfa and orchard grass), sweetfeed, and they all have saltblocks, so I don't think it's a diet issue. > >Thanks in advance! >Patrick > > Hi Patrick! Thanks for the kind words about HORSE-SENSE. ;-) I can think of several things that might help in this situation. First, DO talk to your vet, and ask her to check your horse's teeth very, very carefully. Second, get a copy of the NRC guidelines for horse nutrition (it's available in paper form, on diskette and, by now, probably on CD-Rom too) and figure out exactly what your horse needs -- then compare it to what he is getting. If, on paper, you are feeding a perfectly-balanced diet and meeting all of your horse's nutritional needs, then you'll need to dig deeper. This may involve having your pasture grass and your hay tested -- or, if there are known deficiencies in your area's soil, it may just mean that you'll need to purchase and feed a supplement formulated to make up for the specific deficiencies in your area. Third, if your vet agrees, try feeding this horse more hay and less grain. In any case, I would strongly advise giving this horse oats rather than sweetfeed. There are horses that chew wood ONLY after they've eaten something very sweet -- and sweetfeed, with all of that molasses, definitely qualifies. It's quite possible that your horse may stop eating wood and focus on his hay instead, as long as he isn't getting molasses or other sugar in his diet. One warning: if this works for you (eliminating molasses and sugar), be careful not to feed this horse sugar lumps or mints or cookies as treats, because ONE sugar lump can be enough to start the wood-chewing again. I don't know precisely why this happens, but I've seen it happen with more than one horse. This doesn't mean "no treats", but for horses like this, pasta (uncooked) is much less likely to bring on a wood-chewing session. And most horses adore pasta -- I always have a box of medium shells or rigatoni somewhere in my tack box. ;-) Good luck! It's hard enough to keep up with the normal maintenance of wooden stall boards and fences and gates, without the wood-chewing assistance of a twelve-hundred-pound beaver. ;-) Jessica = Copyright (C) 2000. Jessica Jahiel, Holistic Horsemanship(R) = Jessica Jahiel's HORSE-SENSE A weekly electronic Q&A newsletter about horses, riding, and training http://www.prairienet.org/horse-sense For more information on HORSE-SENSE, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message text: info HORSE-SENSE = HORSE-SENSE newsletter materials may be distributed and copied for personal, non-commercial use provided that all authorship, and copyright information, including this notice, is retained. = [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Jess
RE: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear friends, this "short test" is a hoax being spread around. My son is a VP for Microsoft and he put me in touch with some "gurus". The "gurus" pointed me to a Microsoft web page that explained the "non existent" problem. Basically it said: This change of short date to long date affects nothing more than the display function and has nothing to do with how the computer will, or will not, operate. The internal functions of Windows are still rolling over to the year 2000. If you want it to say 2000, instead of 00then change the display. Either way, the computer is still functioning properly. IT IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE DIPLAY. All the best, and Happy New Year from: Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA Sorry to re-send the entire forwarded message, but thought the above might make better sense. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of william poe Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:43 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Y2K and your PC This message is from: "william poe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I'm not sure if this will make a difference in your computer for Y2K, but I checked mine and it failed the "short test". I'm passing along this info that was sent to me. Maybe someone on the list knows if this does make a difference. I did change mine just in case! After running this quick little test, much to my surprise, I > > learned that my computer would have failed on 01-01-2000 due to a > > computer clock glitch. Fortunately, a quick fix is provided, should > > your computer fail the test. > > > > I submit the following for your consideration: > > > > > >TEST > > Double click on "My Computer". > > Double click on "Control Panel". > > Double click on "Regional Settings" icon. > > Click on the "Date" tab at the top of the page. > > Where it says, "Short Date Sample", look and see if it shows > > a "two digit" year. Of course it does. That's the default > > setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT. This date RIGHT HERE > > is the date that feeds application software and WILL NOT rollover > > in the year 2000. It will roll over to 00. > > > > Click on the button across from "Short Date Style" and > > select the option that shows, mm/dd/. (Be sure your selection > > has four Y's showing, not two) Then click on "Apply" and then click > > on "OK" at the bottom. > > > > Easy enough to fix. However, every single installation of Windows > > worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover. > > > > Please feel free to pass this on to your friends and associates. > > May the New Year bring to pass all your hopes and dreams. Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio
RE: religious views
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Holy Batman, Gail Was I ever married to you in a past life? Nobody is trying to tell you how to believe, or behave. If you don't like a message, you ARE entitled to your opinion AND to write it. I will defend, with my life, your right to disagree..even though you are flat wrong. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all, whether ye be Muslim, Zen, Christian, Jew, atheistetc. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA Gail wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: religious views This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I apologized for snapping at you before under the stress of moving, etc. I didn't agree to give up all my opinions and behave the way you want me to. I suspect we'll never be best friends.Gail
RE: hello???
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Worked fine Amy, Made the new list OK Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Evers Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hello??? This message is from: Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hope this is the right address the message wasn't to clear on what address to post to. I tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] and got a help message back? Someone let me know! Amy
Test message please disregard
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Test message
Rainbow Bridge
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Michelle, This is the poem that Jean spoke of on the list. I hope it may help you with your grief. It has with ours. This is not only sent privately, but also to the Fjord list. Just this side of Heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge. When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine and our friends are warm and comfortable. All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing: they each miss someone very special, someone who was left behind. They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; his eager body begins to quiver. Suddenly, he breaks from the group, flying over the green grass, faster and faster. You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into those trusting eyes, so long gone from your life, but never absent from your heart. Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together... Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Pack's Peak, Washington USA
Rainbow Bridge
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Michelle, I don't think this got sent properly. If you receive two messages, please forgive me. Jean (Fairbanks) mentioned the Rainbow Bridge poem. I am including it here. I hope it helps. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Just this side of Heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge. When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine and our friends are warm and comfortable. All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing: they each miss someone very special, someone who was left behind. They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; his eager body begins to quiver. Suddenly, he breaks from the group, flying over the green grass, faster and faster. You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into those trusting eyes, so long gone from your life, but never absent from your heart. Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together...
RE: List must move (READ and RESPOND!)
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Steve, I feel a little embarrassed to find out that you have been footing the bill for all of OUR enjoyment. Personally, Lois and I would be glad to contribute towards a non-advertising list. However, to keep those of the group who could not/would not contribute, the move to a small advertising blurb at the bottom list should be acceptable to most all. I would prefer a non advertising list, but would rather have the group intact.as some would drop out should a charge/contribution situation arise. Lastly, It's YOUR list and we are your guests here. Do as YOU see fit. I trust your judgement. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Pack's Peak Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve McIlree Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 9:07 AM To: Fjord Horse List Subject: List must move (READ and RESPOND!)
RE: beagle dogs
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List, We had to get rid of a Basset Hound (same family as a beagle). It would bite any young animal that tried to sniff it. Tore open the nose of our resident deer, Hucklebuck. The final straw was when it tore open the nose of a young Llama. Sneaky and devious dogs. We have three beautiful Great Pyrenees ladies that sleep all day (except when they hear a hawk or trouble), and guard all night. Although we have plenty of bobcat, coyotes, cougar, and bearnone have ever entered our perimeter. Possums that are dumb enough to try to get to our birds, end up as a dead present on our front porch.. We can't recommend the Pyr's more highly. We also have two "yappers", Maltese. Happy Holidays, Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Pack's Llama Way Wilkeson, WA USA
Kissing Horses
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy, oh boy There is no way I can deny kissing my horses as a picture of me kissing one of my "women" is posted at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158 click on the link to the pictures in the upper left corner of the page "Visit our Fjords".. I LOVE kissing girls, be they my beautiful child bride of 44 years, my horses, or my dogs. If I had a Fjord stallion, I might not admit it in public.but I'd kiss him too. I LOVE being kissed in return too. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
FW: kissing... The dog you MUST have!
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this privately, but thought the rest of the list should have a chance to read it. -Original Message- From: Frederick J. Pack II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick J. (Fred) Pack Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 12:21 PM To: 'Fred & Lori Osmond' Subject: RE: kissing... The dog you MUST have! -Original Message- From: Fred & Lori Osmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 6:16 AM To: fjord list Subject: kissing... This message is from: "Fred & Lori Osmond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/8660
Equimania
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Equimania: A serious mental disorder in which occupation with equine and conjunctive/supportive feline, canine, and caprines interferes with the ordinary tasks of daily living and significantly interferes with normal human social interaction, An addictive component present such that patient congregates only with other equine-dependents and their aggregates. NO LESS THAN FOUR OF THE FOLLOWING SHALL BE PRESENT TO MAKE THIS DIAGNOSIS: 1. Noticeable deterioration of living quarters of human equine-dependent in conjunction with superior maintenance of living quarters of equines and their aggregates. 2. Grandiose component includes preoccupation with the extraordinariness of the patient's equine/s which flies in the face of reality. 3. Noticeable deterioration of the appearance of patient (personal grooming) in conjunction with horse grooming preoccupation. Potentially obsessive component. (Score 1-5 for level of obsessive component with 5 being most extreme) 4. Manic deployment of charge card privileges in tack and feed stores within a 120 mile radius of home. ... and far beyond ordinary means. Sprees often followed by periods of depression and worry. 5. Preoccupation with detail of hay prices, cutting seasons... and the prices of apples and carrots. 6. Neglect of personal health and dental care and scrupulous attention to veterinary care and teeth floating.. 7. Maintenance of a growing number of equines and their aggregates either by breeding or irresistible purchase or both. NOTE: Talking baby talk to 1100 pound animals is not considered a part of the mental disease picture. TREATMENT: OBTAIN an endless supply of small oblong pieces of green paper. These are probably marker, "In God We Trust" because only God can really help the Equimaniac. Apply liberally and watch them disappear.
Libby page
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Laurie, I am sending this to you personally, and to the Fjord list. Lois and I started out for Libby with all good intentions. We left the Mount Rainier area and just got across the Cascade mountains, when the pain of driving a car (bad back) got so intense that we had to stop short. We had to turn around and return home the next day. So sorry we were not able to meet and visit with you great horse people. Your effort in making your Libby web page is greatly appreciated by us. We were able to go there (vicariously) and enjoy the show. Thanks from both of us... Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Pack's Peak, Washington USA
RE: Horses as Therapy and Losses and Flies
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean and all, We have tried the fly predators from Spaulding Labs and others. These fly predators work ONLY on filth flies, not on the ones that bother our horses. The best luck in controlling the fly population in general has been the use of fly trapsbaited with bone meal and an ammonia compound in one of the hanging bag types. All the best to all, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Gayle Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Horses as Therapy and Losses This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Call Spaulding Labs 1 800 845 2847 and I order more than they suggest. These are small , tiny, fly predators and do not bother anything else. they are sensitive to cold so can die off easily. They do work but put them out every month for best effect. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
RE: clarification of "happy" worm
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brian, and all, The worm shows as an icon, or attachment. It will ONLY activate and cause damage IF CLICKED ON. If you see any forum message with an attachment (usually showing a paperclip or some such), just opening the test part of the message will do no harm. The worm's ICON is LABELED. If it shows Happy99.exejust delete the message without clicking on the icon. To protect yourself, there are several options. Go to http://www.avp.com/happy/happy.html and check out the information there. My fix (windows95) was to change one file to a read only status. Even if I clicked on the Happy99.exe iconit CAN NOT infect my system or be passed on. Rather than type all the information here, all should check the above site for troubleshooting prevention and cure. All the Best Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, There seems to be confusion about whether or not just reading a message can get you in trouble. I wonder if the reduced volume of messages these last few days is due to worry about the worm. Am I correct in thinking a computer cannot be affected by a person simply reading the e-mail message? Don't you actually have to click on an icon within the message itself to get in trouble? Brian Jacobsen
RE: Truck and trailer
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Nancy and Ernie, The other comments on the board, in reply to your question, are "right on". I would especially emphasize the two vehicle. We use a Ford 250 with a BIG 460 cubic inch GAS engine. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington USA you wrote: Hi - this is Nancy and Ernie from NH - we are in the market for getting our first truck and trailer - we want a trailer that would house both Sonnie and a meadowbrook carriage. We are thinking of getting a Ford F150 and a gooseneck 2 horse stock trailer. Does anyone have any suggestions about wether this combination is adequate. We would appreciate any info. Thanks everyone! Nancy
RE: Fjord Henning carvings
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Merek and the group, I included the message to reference what was writtenespecially about the T Shirts etc. BTW, we got our Hennings from the outfit you wrote about. FYI, Sony has an internet site where you can send in any picture and they will make prints, T Shirts, Coffee Mugs, Hats, etc...using your photo. We ordered several coffee mugs and several hats with pictures of our "babies" on them. Turned out excellent. http://imagestation.sony.com All the best to all, Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Fjord Henning carvings This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try this company in Florida for Henning Fjord items. But beware their T- shirts, I have two of them and as of last year the quality was very poor They appear to have been done on a computer printer, with severe banding and color mis-registration. The carvings are OK and the prices seem reasonable, I have several items from them. Sailing Clippers, 1189 Industrial Blvd., Naples FL 34104. Ph# 1-800-524-4983 Merek
RE: alternative treatments/mud
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Teressa and all, We use hot air (two motor) "Circuiteer II (Roman numeral 2) made by Electric Cleaner Co. Inc of Osseo, Wisconsin 54758. It is about the size of an old tube type Electrolux vacuum cleaner. It has a selection of using one motor or two. Using two motors will put out enough air to "stand you upright" at 10 feet. We bought them for our Llamas (found them in a Llama magazine) but found that the Fjords love them. Holding the air nozzle just a few inches from the coat, cleans the Fjords, Llamas, and Miniature Horses right down to the skin.sand and all.gone. Our Fjords come running when they see us coming with the "Circuiteer" as a "treatment" with one is like getting scratched all over. Will blast all but the most stubborn mud cakes right off the horse. Care must be taken, however, around the ears so as not to blast the air inside the passage. When doing the head, we always work from the back of the horse. They really put out "warm" not hot air. The air is warmed by the air passing over the drive motors. Not cheap, but worth the price. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teressa Kandianis Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:alternative treatments/mud
RE: Fahrenheit - Celsius (off topic)
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Saskia, One correction to your chart, it must have been a typo, 59oF=15oC which is Standard Atmospheric Temperature for all nautical and aeronautical calculations. As a international airline pilot (now retired) we had an easy method for calculating Celsius to Fahrenheit in our heads: Double it Take away 10% Add 32 As: 10C Doubled is 20 Take away 10% which is 2.leaves 18 Add 32answer 50F Works in reverse for F to C 50F take away 32=18 add 10% which is roughly 2=20 half of 20=10 I found a little list in my dictionary: FahrenheitCelsius -- 212° _ 100° (boiling point) 104°___ 40° 95° 35° 77° 25° 68° 20° 59° 14° Should be 15 50° 10° 41° 5° 32° 0° 23° - 5° 14°-10° 5°_-15° To calculate Fahrenheit to Celsius: 5/9 (°F - 32) The inverse: (9/5°C) + 32 I hope this helps someone... I have it next to my computer from now on! Happy Fjording! Saskia who in wet and muddy Belgium (about 5° C - 41 ° F) suddenly realizes that you are all very cold!!! except for our PAV's Lisa and Jackie! :-) Fred Pack Captain, Northwest Airlines (ret) Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
