need help with a foundering mare
This message is from: Janet ja...@tamaracksheep.com help, it appears one of my mares is foundering. I switched from pasture to hay 2 weeks ago, and found her severely lame this morning. All four seem to hurt but especially one front and one rear. I have her soaking in cold water and gave her 3 grams of bute. Is a vet call worth while? or are they just going to confirm founder and administer bute? Janet Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: need help with a foundering mare
This message is from: Beth Sandy - Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Founder can be a very serious, life threatening problem! If your horse is severely lame as you describe, especially if she is showing lameness in all four feet, I would call the vet immediately to determine the extent of the damage and to address the symptoms asap. Beth -- Original Message -- Received: 01:17 PM MDT, 09/28/2014 From: Janet ja...@tamaracksheep.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: need help with a foundering mare This message is from: Janet ja...@tamaracksheep.com help, it appears one of my mares is foundering. I switched from pasture to hay 2 weeks ago, and found her severely lame this morning. All four seem to hurt but especially one front and one rear. I have her soaking in cold water and gave her 3 grams of bute. Is a vet call worth while? or are they just going to confirm founder and administer bute? Janet Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: need help with a foundering mare
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com I second Beth's assessment...vet asap they can help sooner w/ IV's and hopefully you have a vet with digital X ray capabilities. I wish you and your mare well... Sent from my HTC One⢠X, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone - Reply message - From: Beth Sandy - Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: need help with a foundering mare Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2014 1:20 PM This message is from: Beth Sandy - Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Founder can be a very serious, life threatening problem! If your horse is severely lame as you describe, especially if she is showing lameness in all four feet, I would call the vet immediately to determine the extent of the damage and to address the symptoms asap. Beth -- Original Message -- Received: 01:17 PM MDT, 09/28/2014 From: Janet ja...@tamaracksheep.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: need help with a foundering mare This message is from: Janet ja...@tamaracksheep.com help, it appears one of my mares is foundering. I switched from pasture to hay 2 weeks ago, and found her severely lame this morning. All four seem to hurt but especially one front and one rear. I have her soaking in cold water and gave her 3 grams of bute. Is a vet call worth while? or are they just going to confirm founder and administer bute? Janet Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Problem need help Ideas
This message is from: Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com That is so frightening. Has she used a psyllium product w/them to routinely remove sand? A lot of the ones marketed for horses do not work well, my vet I have tested them out in glasses of water, they clump up not gel like supposed to. When mine were on a dry lot I sanded them monthly. We've been on a grass pasture the past couple years and I haven't been doing it but now I'm worried I should. I am in FL so there is sand no matter where you are. So sorry for her loss. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Aug 9, 2011, at 11:23 PM, mail.bevcomm.net wrote: This message is from: mail.bevcomm.net afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I had a client who's been battling with sand colic for years. I actually said when I started working for this person that she's gonna have horses with sand in their guts. You see she has a paddock that she feeds in when the horses come in at night, thus they ingest sand while cleaning up the little bits lost from the feed pans. Sadly she thought she was doing a good thing filling her paddock with sand so that it didn't get so mucky. It is finally caught up with her and the horses and we lost one last night, the necropsy reviled approximately 50 lbs. of sand in Bensons gut. Now she has another horse out for training and is afraid to bring her home when the time comes. The question is any ideas how to address the sand issue out side of completely digging out the sand? It's been suggested to till in some clay to make it pack down more and less likely to be eaten. I'm at a loss all I can think of right now is dig the crap out keep the horses off it! Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Problem need help Ideas
This message is from: Jo Wilgus rjrfj...@verizon.net The question is any ideas how to address the sand issue out side of completely digging out the sand? ~~` Duffers seems to colic each year around sept or oct. i feel it is due to weather changes which cause him to drink less. Each year we add a new solution. This year we will start adding mineral oil to his food each day for about 2.5 months. Vet suggested giving it a try. We are firm doers on the psyllium each month, we feed out of feeders and we have mats. This year we are also making sure we work him more to keep him moving , keep everything moving. I have had suggestions given, i am willing to try them. My neighbor gives her horses a gallon of gatorade a day. I have Gatorade on hand too. My feeling is some horses are more prone than others, why? no idea. Mats are great but they get sand/dirt each footstep. You almost have to sit there with a broom. My girlfriend made her horses a feeder. It worked GREAT!! She took a LARGE tire, attached a piece of mat to bottom, fed them out of that. It seemed to work good. I may be doing some building myself. I am willing to try anything within our means for Regn and Duffers. I am sorry for the loss of any horse due to colic or anything for that matter. We can only hope for a solid solution in the future. Good luck to all. Jo Wilgus, Gavilan Hills, CA The eves have been ideal for ridingthank you God! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Problem need help Ideas
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I'm not questioning your worming program, but could it the movement of encysted worm larvae, emerging from the intestinal wall, at that time of year? just a thought, as the experts are learning that our standard deworming programs are not really working. Just another idea to throw out there! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, rainy and cool, of course it is Fair time! ~~` Duffers seems to colic each year around sept or oct. i feel it is due to weather changes which cause him to drink less. Each year we add a new solution. This year we will start adding mineral oil to his food each day for about 2.5 months. Vet suggested giving it a try. We are firm doers on the psyllium each month, we feed out of feeders and we have mats. This year we are also making sure we work him more to keep him moving , keep everything moving. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Problem need help Ideas
This message is from: mail.bevcomm.net afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I had a client who's been battling with sand colic for years. I actually said when I started working for this person that she's gonna have horses with sand in their guts. You see she has a paddock that she feeds in when the horses come in at night, thus they ingest sand while cleaning up the little bits lost from the feed pans. Sadly she thought she was doing a good thing filling her paddock with sand so that it didn't get so mucky. It is finally caught up with her and the horses and we lost one last night, the necropsy reviled approximately 50 lbs. of sand in Bensons gut. Now she has another horse out for training and is afraid to bring her home when the time comes. The question is any ideas how to address the sand issue out side of completely digging out the sand? It's been suggested to till in some clay to make it pack down more and less likely to be eaten. I'm at a loss all I can think of right now is dig the crap out keep the horses off it! Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Problem need help Ideas
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Fixed feeders (either wall or secured Rubbermaid type tubs) on top of 4' x 8' rubber mats, 2 mats (min.) per horse/feeder.. Spendy but cheaper than losing a trained, registered horse to colic/surgery. :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: From: afjordableac...@bevcomm.net To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com Subject: Problem need help Ideas Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:23:14 -0500 This message is from: mail.bevcomm.net afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I had a client who's been battling with sand colic for years. I actually said when I started working for this person that she's gonna have horses with sand in their guts. You see she has a paddock that she feeds in when the horses come in at night, thus they ingest sand while cleaning up the little bits lost from the feed pans. Sadly she thought she was doing a good thing filling her paddock with sand so that it didn't get so mucky. It is finally caught up with her and the horses and we lost one last night, the necropsy reviled approximately 50 lbs. of sand in Bensons gut. Now she has another horse out for training and is afraid to bring her home when the time comes. The question is any ideas how to address the sand issue out side of completely digging out the sand? It's been suggested to till in some clay to make it pack down more and less likely to be eaten. I'm at a loss all I can think of right now is dig the crap out keep the horses off it! Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Problem need help Ideas
This message is from: Aol sherefj...@aol.com I help a lady in the seattle area with this problem we bought some stall mates and put up some feeders and to clean her horses sand wash jell from valley vet no more problems she said Jim Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone mail.bevcomm.net afjordableac...@bevcomm.net wrote: This message is from: mail.bevcomm.net afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I had a client who's been battling with sand colic for years. I actually said when I started working for this person that she's gonna have horses with sand in their guts. You see she has a paddock that she feeds in when the horses come in at night, thus they ingest sand while cleaning up the little bits lost from the feed pans. Sadly she thought she was doing a good thing filling her paddock with sand so that it didn't get so mucky. It is finally caught up with her and the horses and we lost one last night, the necropsy reviled approximately 50 lbs. of sand in Bensons gut. Now she has another horse out for training and is afraid to bring her home when the time comes. The question is any ideas how to address the sand issue out side of completely digging out the sand? It's been suggested to till in some clay to make it pack down more and less likely to be eaten. I'm at a loss all I can think of right now is dig the crap out keep the horses off it! Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Calling all creative types--Need help with farm name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Kris, A little hokey; but since you have 3 boys and 3 horses; what about Three's the Charm Farm ? Susan; owned by Alf Valdemar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:47 am Subject: Calling all creative types--Need help with farm name This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, all-- My husband Tom and I have spent the last month moving across town and finally bringing our three Fjord geldings home! It has been an amazing, exhausting and humbling experience. Now that the dust is starting to settle, I would love to come up with a farm name, but haven't hit upon the right one yet. Here is some basic info: -14 flat acres with great pasture, simple barn, wooded trails and a stream -Three Fjord geldings, two brown, one grey: they are simply for pleasure, trail riding and beginning driving--no breeding or showing -Two dogs, a Pug and a Lab, one cat -We have three little boys, ages 11, 8 and 5 -My husband is an Internal Medicine physician -I am a stay-at-home mom and all living things around me are MALE I would love to find a name that is personal, unpretentious and combines something about the boys or the Fjords...even a cute equestrian or medical term. Some that we have considered are: Portly Pony Farm Equine-imity Something involving three (for sons and geldings) Fjord Fields Thanks for any suggestions! Kris Batchelor in NC **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Calling all creative types--Need help with farm name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, all-- My husband Tom and I have spent the last month moving across town and finally bringing our three Fjord geldings home! It has been an amazing, exhausting and humbling experience. Now that the dust is starting to settle, I would love to come up with a farm name, but haven't hit upon the right one yet. Here is some basic info: -14 flat acres with great pasture, simple barn, wooded trails and a stream -Three Fjord geldings, two brown, one grey: they are simply for pleasure, trail riding and beginning driving--no breeding or showing -Two dogs, a Pug and a Lab, one cat -We have three little boys, ages 11, 8 and 5 -My husband is an Internal Medicine physician -I am a stay-at-home mom and all living things around me are MALE I would love to find a name that is personal, unpretentious and combines something about the boys or the Fjords...even a cute equestrian or medical term. Some that we have considered are: Portly Pony Farm Equine-imity Something involving three (for sons and geldings) Fjord Fields Thanks for any suggestions! Kris Batchelor in NC **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Calling all creative types--Need help with farm name
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about the Batchelor Pad? Julie in CA In a message dated 8/24/2008 9:03:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, all-- My husband Tom and I have spent the last month moving across town and finally bringing our three Fjord geldings home! It has been an amazing, exhausting and humbling experience. Now that the dust is starting to settle, I would love to come up with a farm name, but haven't hit upon the right one yet. Here is some basic info: -14 flat acres with great pasture, simple barn, wooded trails and a stream -Three Fjord geldings, two brown, one grey: they are simply for pleasure, trail riding and beginning driving--no breeding or showing -Two dogs, a Pug and a Lab, one cat -We have three little boys, ages 11, 8 and 5 -My husband is an Internal Medicine physician -I am a stay-at-home mom and all living things around me are MALE I would love to find a name that is personal, unpretentious and combines something about the boys or the Fjords...even a cute equestrian or medical term. Some that we have considered are: Portly Pony Farm Equine-imity Something involving three (for sons and geldings) Fjord Fields Thanks for any suggestions! Kris Batchelor in NC **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Need help
This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it helps a lot. I,too, wondered if it was a young animal. We do have some wandering that get away from captive situtations Thanks for your hubby's help.good source. Linda On 5/26/08 8:37 AM, Alicia Encoyand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Alicia Encoyand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, My husband, who is an expirianced forester and a Park Ranger of two years is pretty sure it was a young, inexpirianced Mountain Lion. He said that is about the only animal that will attack the top of the animal like that. He also said that if it had been a bear or a wolf, they would have attacked from behing and probably killed your horse. An inexpirianced Mountain Lion though would not have any pesitence and would give up if kicked. Hope this helps, nbsp; Alicia Alicia, Alex and Elizabethnbsp;Encoyand 209-768-0281 Sonora, California www.mineshaftminiatures.com Raising quality American Miniature Horses --- On Sat, 5/24/08, Linda Lottie User lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Linda Lottie User lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Need help To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com lt;fjordhorse@angus.mystery.comgt; Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 5:30 PM This message is from: Linda Lottie User lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Hi Fjord Lovers; I need some suggestions: Yesterday I turned out my Swedish Gotland mare (21 years old) at 6am, on the pasture. She is turned out with a large paint gelding. At 1pm I went to bring them to the dry lot and found the Gotland with hair missing, scratch marks and small puncture wounds. None were bleeding but some had a little blood. It appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on the back or upper sides. What ever attacked her had claws because there was a large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch apart. Lots of hair was missingbut no open gash wounds or open claw swipes. I heard nothing but was cleaning the barn, radio on and vacc running. Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her? We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area but sightings are very, very rare for the cats. The south wall of the pasture is a large area of pine trees and the surrounding property is a large vacent woods. There are many large trees in the pasture and two ponds. My Gotland does not hear as well as the other horses and she limps a bit. She is ok and seems none the worse for wearbut, I am scared to turn her out again in that pasture. She is much smaller than a fjord.finer boned - more like a mid size pony. The paint had no wounds but dang, he lost a shoe, so thinking he was in muddy swampy grass and sprung up very quickly in response to the attack and left his shoe behind! To make this fjord related.I love mine:) Linda in NW WI The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: need help
This message is from: kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, I'm very glad your mare's okay. A neighbor's horse was attacked a couple springs ago by an adult male black bear. Those marks were primarily rump back. So I think that rules out black bears, as your perpetrator. In northern MN we have many large owls, and eagles and I have seen them hunt. I'd rule them out as your perpetrator.I'd do as someone else said check for old fencing left by previous farmers. Sometimes in the spring it will come up out of the ground as the frost moves things around. I'd also seriously consider cougar/mountail lion. We have them here in our area, there have been some problems (few far between) and the marks are very much as you describe. The most problem we had was when a guy released some young adults that had been his pets. They were not nearly as leery as the fully wild cougars so there were many sightings, and their hunting skills were poor. That made for a bad year for livestock in a suprisingly large area. Victims I heard about were sheep, goats, yearling cows, and ponies. _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_family_safety_052008 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Linda, I'm not too sure what could have attacked the horse, but I think you can rule out bear and cougar. I've had dogs and sheep attacked by both, and the claw marks would be much further apart (more like one inch or more apart) and the width of the claw mark would be as thick as a pencil. The punctures from a bite wound would be more typically on the back of the neck near the shoulders, and the claw marks typically would be over the back or hips. I think even our smaller cats (lynx and bob cat) would have claws spaced further apart. One of the best ways to determine whodunnit, is to measure the impression of the dentition on the bite wound. If you can identify the upper canine teeth and measure the distance between them. Also measure the width of the tooth. Animals are remarkably consistant in this spacing and size of the tooth. We do have some other tree dwelling critters here, like fishers and pine martins, that are rather rare, but can be very aggressive, but I don't think they would attack a horse. Janet The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kate.we do have eagles that nest nearby but the wounds are more like a 4 legged critter. So far, the most likely are small mountian lion, single wolf..both of which have been sighted in the area. Fencing is not a possibility. My pastures are clear and no fencing down on the perimeter. Thanks for taking time to respondLinda On 5/26/08 7:48 AM, kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, I'm very glad your mare's okay. A neighbor's horse was attacked a couple springs ago by an adult male black bear. Those marks were primarily rump back. So I think that rules out black bears, as your perpetrator. In northern MN we have many large owls, and eagles and I have seen them hunt. I'd rule them out as your perpetrator.I'd do as someone else said check for old fencing left by previous farmers. Sometimes in the spring it will come up out of the ground as the frost moves things around. I'd also seriously consider cougar/mountail lion. We have them here in our area, there have been some problems (few far between) and the marks are very much as you describe. The most problem we had was when a guy released some young adults that had been his pets. They were not nearly as leery as the fully wild cougars so there were many sightings, and their hunting skills were poor. That made for a bad year for livestock in a suprisingly large area. Victims I heard about were sheep, goats, yearling cows, and ponies. _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_family_safety_052008 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Need help
This message is from: Alicia Encoyand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, My husband, who is an expirianced forester and a Park Ranger of two years is pretty sure it was a young, inexpirianced Mountain Lion. He said that is about the only animal that will attack the top of the animal like that. He also said that if it had been a bear or a wolf, they would have attacked from behing and probably killed your horse. An inexpirianced Mountain Lion though would not have any pesitence and would give up if kicked. Hope this helps, nbsp; Alicia Alicia, Alex and Elizabethnbsp;Encoyand 209-768-0281 Sonora, California www.mineshaftminiatures.com Raising quality American Miniature Horses --- On Sat, 5/24/08, Linda Lottie User lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Linda Lottie User lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Need help To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com lt;fjordhorse@angus.mystery.comgt; Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 5:30 PM This message is from: Linda Lottie User lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Hi Fjord Lovers; I need some suggestions: Yesterday I turned out my Swedish Gotland mare (21 years old) at 6am, on the pasture. She is turned out with a large paint gelding. At 1pm I went to bring them to the dry lot and found the Gotland with hair missing, scratch marks and small puncture wounds. None were bleeding but some had a little blood. It appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on the back or upper sides. What ever attacked her had claws because there was a large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch apart. Lots of hair was missingbut no open gash wounds or open claw swipes. I heard nothing but was cleaning the barn, radio on and vacc running. Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her? We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area but sightings are very, very rare for the cats. The south wall of the pasture is a large area of pine trees and the surrounding property is a large vacent woods. There are many large trees in the pasture and two ponds. My Gotland does not hear as well as the other horses and she limps a bit. She is ok and seems none the worse for wearbut, I am scared to turn her out again in that pasture. She is much smaller than a fjord.finer boned - more like a mid size pony. The paint had no wounds but dang, he lost a shoe, so thinking he was in muddy swampy grass and sprung up very quickly in response to the attack and left his shoe behind! To make this fjord related.I love mine:) Linda in NW WI The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wolves would have grabbed the flanks, or under side of the neck. They also tend to create a fair amount of panick so your horses would appear to have been chased through fences etc. Wolves and coyotes would not leave claw marks. Janet The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Need help
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/24/2008 5:35:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on the back or upper sides. What ever attacked her had claws because there was a large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch apart. Linda, I hope your Gotland is okay! My first thought would be a tangle with fencing. I would check for old barbed wire, chicken wire, no-climb wire ... that could cause the wounds you described. Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod000302) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Need help
This message is from: shawna smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, Many years ago, I had a horse attacked by a cougar and the claw marks left behind were larger, with about an inch between claw marks, one set on top of horses back, the other along his side and flank. In the horses flight, he ran thru a barb wire fence which did serious damage to his hind leg... An old retired trapper surmised it was a full-grown tom. It's hard to know what exactly happened to your mare, thankfully she's okay!! Shawna in NW OR -- From: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:30 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Need help This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fjord Lovers; I need some suggestions: Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her? We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fjord Lovers; I need some suggestions: Yesterday I turned out my Swedish Gotland mare (21 years old) at 6am, on the pasture. She is turned out with a large paint gelding. At 1pm I went to bring them to the dry lot and found the Gotland with hair missing, scratch marks and small puncture wounds. None were bleeding but some had a little blood. It appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on the back or upper sides. What ever attacked her had claws because there was a large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch apart. Lots of hair was missingbut no open gash wounds or open claw swipes. I heard nothing but was cleaning the barn, radio on and vacc running. Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her? We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area but sightings are very, very rare for the cats. The south wall of the pasture is a large area of pine trees and the surrounding property is a large vacent woods. There are many large trees in the pasture and two ponds. My Gotland does not hear as well as the other horses and she limps a bit. She is ok and seems none the worse for wearbut, I am scared to turn her out again in that pasture. She is much smaller than a fjord.finer boned - more like a mid size pony. The paint had no wounds but dang, he lost a shoe, so thinking he was in muddy swampy grass and sprung up very quickly in response to the attack and left his shoe behind! To make this fjord related.I love mine:) Linda in NW WI The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Crystal Garland [EMAIL PROTECTED] KOOL! Thank you for the help! White Roses Lon (or soemthing) Thunder White Roses Lightening Well, I am going to call the farm... I do like Thunder and Lightening's pedigree so, I didn't know if they had any grays? Course, it would be nice if they did. but if not oo well. Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest The address I got from the NFHR Pedigree site: http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ SLOAN ARMSTRONG WHITE ROSE FARM 536 DRY POND RD GLOVER, VT UNITED STATES 05839 (802) 525-4278 They might have moved to Canada since then, but you could look up the pedigree: http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ White Rose' Miss Thunder C-1452 sire: ANVIL'S RANDI C-277 dam: TILLIE C-40 I couldn't find Lightening, but he/she might be registered in Canada. Randi would be 20 years old now..if alive. I hope this helps, Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 25 degrees and cloudy, 4 snow on the ground. I lost all e-mails on my computer and someone had e-mailed me on the phone number and where White Roses Farm was in Canada. I am looking to contact White Roses Farm to talk to them. Thunder and lightening the FjordsI own were raised there and I thought that maybe they still had Thunder and Lgithening's sire or dam around... Well, if you know any info please contact me! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there list, I'm going to pour my heart out on this one. as you all know, I have just moved to Salem Oregon (15 days ago to be exact) I am on a shoe string bank roll (almost depleted), and, like most new businesses, mine is just opening up tomarrow (14th). I have just been informed that I need to transport my horse Rafael at my expense right away. (he has become a financial burdon) Which is true for one who has to pay for three horses with one income. I MUST find a way to get him here, and, a place to be put out to pasture ASAP. Or, he will be Leased out, and the possibility of my ever having him will vanish. I will be more than willing to do anything that will get him to me, and, have a safe place for him to stay until I get financialy stable. PLEASE, I will work on your ranch, (I'm a good handyman with carpentry skills). I don't want to lose my horse. This situation was only disclosed to me today. I must act fast. If there is anyone that can help me, I will be forever grateful. I will work for you, and, pay you any amount you request on top of that if neccessary. I will be checking the list daily, to see if anyone can help me. Thank you for your consideration in advance. As I know you would all help if you could. But, some times, as much as we want, it isn't possible. God bless you all, Jack Long
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi nancy- Welcome to the Fjord world! Your new baby may be microchipped. Ask your local vet or animals shelter if they can scan her. If so, you can check the chip number with A HREF=http://cfha.org/;Canadian Fjord Horse Association /A . Brigid Tommes Rafael
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This message is from: Alison Bakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nancy, If the horse is registered with the Canadian Livestock Records, within the last 12 years she will be mirochipped. You should be able to track her that way if she is chipped. The chips are on the left side of the neck about half way down. Most of the vets have a scanner that will read the chips. The CLRC has web site. www.clrc.on.ca Good Luck Alison from Alberta
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nancy, welcome to the list! Check out the Canadian Fjord Horse Association pedigree website: http://www.clrc.on.ca/fjord.html for starters. Orville and Anita Unrau used to lived in Armstrong, I believe and know a lot of the early Fjord breeders. Anita Unrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] could probably tell you something. Hope this helps as a starter. Enjoy your Fjord! Jean in FAirbank, Alaska, where the sun is shining, finally! Still gold leaves on the trees but a lot on the ground! It's taken me a few months but thanks to a few that have given me some time I have tracked her to Armstrong, BC. ... The man that bred her mom was named Herb Bannnister and he died. This mare was with another Fjord and some other horses and went thru an estate sale, that's where the horse trader's picked her upto good to pass... Herb Bannister was a quiet batchelor and didn't keep good records but I have heard from a customer (long story, I own a fruit standsmall world) .that Herb might have bred Fjords and she may be registered. I know there are some Fjord farms up north in the Okanagon in Washington...or does anyone know of some Fjord breeders near or in Armstrong, B.C.? Is there a separate registry for Canada Fjords? Are there any web sites I might be able to try? Is there a way to track registered Fjords thru DNA? Does anyone know a Fjord owner in Armstrong? How about near Armstrong? I also think I have the name of the man that owns my mare's father...Neal Trenholme. Does anyone know this man? Guess I'm just throwing things our here hoping for a miracle. Also, if I do find the parents and they are true Fjords, how would I go about registering her so I could breed her? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been lurking, now I need help.
This message is from: nancy nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. I have a story. My name is Nancy and I am a old quarterhorse nut converted to Fjords this last Spring. I leased my daughter's quarterhorse to a Fjord family while she is in college and I fell in love with them, the fjords, at first sight. I used the internet for fun and took interest in one on a horse-trading farm. I watched her all winter, took a trip to Canada and my husband humored me..a visit to the farm. I saw her and fell in love. He said no. A week later I made an offer and it was accepted for a song., only because of no papers. So this is my journey. I was told I counldn't track her cause of her auction and horse trader history. Guess I just don't accept...no. It's taken me a few months but thanks to a few that have given me some time I have tracked her to Armstrong, BC. I am in Washington state and don't know much about up north or the Fjord registry as yet. I just know I love this animal (although she can be a snot sometimeds like my teenager). The man that bred her mom was named Herb Bannnister and he died. This mare was with another Fjord and some other horses and went thru an estate sale, that's where the horse trader's picked her upto good to pass... Herb Bannister was a quiet batchelor and didn't keep good records but I have heard from a customer (long story, I own a fruit standsmall world) .that Herb might have bred Fjords and she may be registered. I know there are some Fjord farms up north in the Okanagon in Washington...or does anyone know of some Fjord breeders near or in Armstrong, B.C.? Is there a separate registry for Canada Fjords? Are there any web sites I might be able to try? Is there a way to track registered Fjords thru DNA? Does anyone know a Fjord owner in Armstrong? How about near Armstrong? I also think I have the name of the man that owns my mare's father...Neal Trenholme. Does anyone know this man? Guess I'm just throwing things our here hoping for a miracle. Also, if I do find the parents and they are true Fjords, how would I go about registering her so I could breed her? I know how strick the registry is to stay true to the beed. I guess I am hoping that this will have a happy ending since she is only about 7 years old. But...it will have a happy ending...I really love her and she is stunning. A real compliment to the breed. Thanks for your time, Nancy.
Re: Need help please with write-up
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:30 PM 9/5/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Mike and Casey Rogillio [EMAIL PROTECTED] in California (??) won ??? for Dressage. Help me here, I know someone did something spectacular with their horse but can't recall where and when or who! Anne Appleby in Olympia Washington has done a lot in the dressage world with a couple of different Fjords. ??used in Competitive Driving Events ?? (Laura Lori?) where, who, when? Don't forget Vivian Creigh Marnix. They just won the CDE at Myopia a couple of weeks ago. Both Craig Laura Wich did very well at that CDE also. I think Laura was 4th in the single pony Craig was I think 2nd in the pairs. ??used in ?? (Joel where are you??) to regularly skid (right word?) logs. Pat Wolfe of Ontario Canada uses Fjords in his Log home building school. Again, thanks for any help you can give. I'm kind of stressing over this since we'll be the only Fjord there and I want to do a good job doing something I've never done before! I want to represent the breed well and be informed, accurately informed, on the breed's accomplishments. Sounds to me like it is going to be a well planned and thought out presentation. Good Luck with it! Mike
Need help please with write-up
This message is from: Mike and Casey Rogillio [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've gleaned this stuff from a couple of places, most of it my dusty, barren memory. Can you help with the accuracy of this? The shows are taken from the nfhr.com site, dates taken off, locations left. I want to show the versatility of the Fjord, and would like real-life examples to cite. Any help would be greatly appreciated! There are several annual shows tailored for the Fjord: The Upper Midwest Fjord Horse Show held in Fairibault County Fairgrounds, Blue Earth, MN The Northeast Fjord Horse Association Annual Fjord Horse Show at the Green Mount Horse Assoc, in South Woodstock, Vermont The International Fjord Horse Show at Nordicfest in Libby, Montana The 6th Annual Nordic Horse Show at Skandifest in Turlock, California Any more??? Fjords are renowned for their ability to live on what seems to be next to nothing, earning them the nickname of 'air fern' in the equine world. They DO still need high quality feed, just as all other horses do, but the quantity of the hay / grain needed is much less. Keeping weight off the Fjord can be a difficult task, yet one Fjord owners need to do to prevent foundering. Fjords are an extremely versatile breed - (Need help in sorting out names and places as real-life examples of their versatility) ?? used in ???Norway??? for plowing their mountainous land. ??(Cider)?? used in Sweden (Anneli, you still on?) for jousting. BDF Jason in Vermont (??) was the only horse to successfully complete all (#??) fox-hunting events of the (year??) season. He and his rider went from being objects of ridicule and scorn (not the right phrase, what am I looking for?) to being admired for their 'bottom' and hardiness (again, not the right phrase, what do I want?). in California (??) won ??? for Dressage. Help me here, I know someone did something spectacular with their horse but can't recall where and when or who! ??Dusty?? in Oregon is a ??Champion?? Cutting?? Reining?? Horse - more details?? Horses used in Montana to pull wagons and replica stage-coaches for ??tours?? Bushnell's thing?? ??used in Competitive Driving Events ?? (Laura Lori?) where, who, when? History of their use in Colorado??? ??used in ?? (Joel where are you??) to regularly skid (right word?) logs. Many Fjords are used in competitions to pull weights, drive in Competitive Driving Events, skid logs, plow furrows. They're seen at Equitana and the Denver Livestock Show (right term?) performing quadrilles, driven in tandem, randem (right spelling?) and 6 horse hitches as well as singles. Any other ideas of things to put in the write-up to show their versatility? I grabbed the Farm Directory from the nfhr.com site and printed it out, plan to have copies made so I can hand those out to interested parties. Anyone want to make sure their address, etc., is up-to-date, please let me know of changes so I can hand-write them in or re-print. I also grabbed the Information verbatim from nfhr.com to lead in the write-up (which will be read while we're in the arena). If there's additional info that needs to be included in this write-up, will you let me know? Again, thanks for any help you can give. I'm kind of stressing over this since we'll be the only Fjord there and I want to do a good job doing something I've never done before! I want to represent the breed well and be informed, accurately informed, on the breed's accomplishments. Thanks, Casey Tyr (huh? what's the problem?)
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This message is from: Carolyn Dumong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone, I am fairly new to the mailing list and I really enjoy reading all of the input and advice everyone has to offer. It's such a help. I have been riding for 24 years and have owned horses most of that time. I currently have a horse which I enjoy riding on trails and for just pleasure. Over the past few months I have learned a lot about Fjords and have ridden them a couple of times and have completely fallen in love with this breed. I was at Equitana in June and visited the wonderful and organized booth that so many of you helped to put together and man while the event was taking place. Well done. I think your booth was one of the very best I am now serious about purchasing a Fjord and would like some help in locating one. I live in Indiana. I would really appreciate any help in locating a Fjord for sale. Thanks again for all the great help!!! Please feel free to respond to my email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care...Tracy :o) Tracy, you wrote my story..however, I have not had the pleasure of ever riding a Fjord! Keep me in mind in Southern Florida, everyone! Need to have one of these little guys!! Carolyn.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for responding to my post. I did want those who manned the booth to know how great I thought it was. It's about 100 degrees here today without the heat index!! Please keep me in mind if you hear of any Fjord for sale!!! Take care and Thanks. Tracy :o)
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:57 PM 7/5/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was at Equitana in June and visited the wonderful and organized booth that so many of you helped to put together and man while the event was taking place. Well done. I think your booth was one of the very best I am now serious about purchasing a Fjord and would like some help in locating one. I live in Indiana. I would really appreciate any help in locating a Fjord for sale. Tracy, Did you happen to pick up a Breeders list while you were at Equitana? If not please email me privately with your name regular mailing address and I will send you one. My email is: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tracy
Thanks for the compliment about the Equitana booth. I am sure we
probably talked when you came to the booth. I am the one with the accent
[British]. It is great to hear from those out there who attended Equitana,
there have been a few in the last couple of weeks.
Don't know of any Fjords for sale in Indiana but some one out there
will.Sue in humid New Mexico {monsoon season] and the girls Katrina
and Heather.
Need Help Finding a Fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone, I am fairly new to the mailing list and I really enjoy reading all of the input and advice everyone has to offer. It's such a help. I have been riding for 24 years and have owned horses most of that time. I currently have a horse which I enjoy riding on trails and for just pleasure. Over the past few months I have learned a lot about Fjords and have ridden them a couple of times and have completely fallen in love with this breed. I was at Equitana in June and visited the wonderful and organized booth that so many of you helped to put together and man while the event was taking place. Well done. I think your booth was one of the very best I am now serious about purchasing a Fjord and would like some help in locating one. I live in Indiana. I would really appreciate any help in locating a Fjord for sale. Thanks again for all the great help!!! Please feel free to respond to my email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care...Tracy :o)
Need help in selling horses!
This message is from: Wild Flower Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I have been writing messages not really regarding fjords. We have a friend who is selling a top quality AQHA Stallion. Since they bought him a couple of years ago they want to get out of the horse business. Well I thought I would help them in selling that horse. If anybody knows of a farm looking to purchase a good AQHA Stallion please let me know. I would really like this horse to go to a good home. Please ask around and let me know. They are willing to arrange transportation anywhere in Canada or US. Thank you to all! Renee Lafleur Wild Flower Fjord Farm
