Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: setting display:none won't stop anything from loading, so it will load twice. (or load part way and then load again, etc.) On Apr 21, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I change it so that it might work on all Objects. :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ I took care of that loading forever bug too. Does anyone know if setting display:none on an object prevents it from loading? If not, then double loading is the only thing left to take care of. Nice coding btw. Kevin N. elibol wrote: I've modified it to transfer FlashVars http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/ On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything. It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to implement it. Kevin N. elibol wrote: It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is possible to detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I could just replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question is if it is possible to detect when an object is added... Kevin N. Kevin Newman wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
d.className = o.className
d.id = o.id
o.parentNode.replaceChild(d, o)
}
//USAGE: There are three possible ways to inititalise the function:
//1. If this is the only script that uses window.onload, uncomment the
following lines:
//window.onload = replaceFlash;
//2. Use a general init() function in a central location accessible by all
the scripts. For example:
/*
init = function(){
replaceFlash();
othercode();
}
window.onload = init;
*/
//3. Place a call to this function towards the end of the html document
//(or a reference to an external script with this function), eg:
/*script language=JavaScript
type=text/javascriptreplaceFlash()/script*/
/*script type=text/javascript src=scripts/initReplace.js/script */
-Original Message-
From: elibol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 April 2006 22:29
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I've modified it to transfer FlashVars
http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/
On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is
defining all
objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent
objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn
for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything.
It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params
unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to
implement it.
Kevin N.
elibol wrote:
It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object:
http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html
The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem
though, it
seems
as
if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from
the browsers
perspective.
Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice
job Kevin.
M.
On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X
Objects? The
idea
is to override object activation by rewriting the
objects after the
document
is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process,
where it will
only force activation when the page is being
initialized? Objects
written
after
the page is loaded slip through?
M.
On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that
has already
been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-)
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/
A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all
object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it
should get the
job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are
using static
embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more
robust, please let me know. :-)
Kevin N.
Geoff Stearns wrote:
you could do this with flashobject really easily.
just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the
object you target with your flash movie.
On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote:
I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity,
like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script:
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/
There are just too many installations to
realistically ignore them.
Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent
an object
from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object
tags to embed
a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the
background
until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or
javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or
will I need
to take further steps to keep it from loading?
Thanks,
Kevin N.
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RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Hmm... I'm not sure if you can do that, but what about using an intermediate stub? Then you could communicate with and tell it when to load the main content. This might even work automatically, with one of the object replacement techniques. Or... Here's a thought - what if the style for the object starts with display:none for the object, and then changes to display:block when the page has loaded. display: none removes the element from the document's flow, while visibility:hidden simply makes it invisible. Do you think this might do the trick? Karina -Original Message- From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is possible to detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I could just replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question is if it is possible to detect when an object is added... Kevin N. Kevin Newman wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I was looking for a way to load the html document into a string that was defined in a container style html file which would replace all the object tags with empty object tags and load the page this way, then after the page is loaded, it would replace the objects with their true content, however, I wasn't able to find a technique to get an external html document to load as a string or just a passive kind of document object. The closest thing I could find was loading the document as an XML file, but this does not work since documents have non compliant syntax. I'm not too familiar with the limitations of Javascript so some of my ideas may seem a bit far fetched... Another idea I had was to write the document before it was loaded with blank object tags, then rewrite it after it loaded with the original content, however, I don't think this makes very much sense since the actual document may just load after the write() invocation. It may be that I can't even grab the documents objects until they've loaded, or that write() can only be used after the document has loaded. I don't know the facts about either of these conditions. These are all attempts to solve the double loading problem. The idea was to have the user replace their original document with this other document and rename the original document with a special extension the other document would load in as a string. This would make it easier to pacify the patent. M. On 4/21/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Good working with it Kevin, if this last piece can be solved then it should be very useful =] M. On 4/21/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Hi Karina, Kevin Newman deserves the credit, I've just written some of the code. Great work though, I'm very happy to have a little team working on this problem now. I'm sure we will solve it soon enough. I think Geoff mentioned that display:none does not prevent the object from loading, Ryan further validates this by giving us a clear idea of how html documents function, so, we should continue under the assumption that if the object is defined in the original document then it will always load. M. On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure if you can do that, but what about using an intermediate stub? Then you could communicate with and tell it when to load the main content. This might even work automatically, with one of the object replacement techniques. Or... Here's a thought - what if the style for the object starts with display:none for the object, and then changes to display:block when the page has loaded. display: none removes the element from the document's flow, while visibility:hidden simply makes it invisible. Do you think this might do the trick? Karina -Original Message- From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is possible to detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I could just replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question is if it is possible to detect when an object is added... Kevin N. Kevin Newman wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test display:none with flash. Display:none causes the object not to be rendered, but it is still instantiated in memory. The object exists and will begin loading, but but will not be displayed or consume any real estate on the page. The visibility style doesn't affect how the element is rendered, it only affects whether it is visible or not, so an invisible elemnt still takes up real estate on the page, you just can't see it. So if you have a table with display:inline that is invisible, the space will be reserved for the table, but it will not be rendered to the page. The display style sets the display mode of the element (inline, block, or none), and determines how page space is reserved for the element. It does not, however, tell the element anything at all about whether to begin loading, elements will load according to their defined behavior as soon as they exist on the page. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I'm no expert on this, there are many others here that should know the
answer but my guess is that the object is downloaded but not rendered. You
can test this by calling a javascript function from within your flash movie.
try getURL('javascript:alert(movie running);'); from within your movie.
I just tested this, http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/
I added a link that runs the disable css code and only when it is clicked
the movie object renders.
I think there is a distinct delineation that must be made between whether
objects are downloaded and whether they are active/rendered/running.
I think that if the objects are just downloaded, it makes no difference. My
only concern was hit counting scripts like hit box that would make calls
from within flash, but if the flash movie is never activated, it should not
double hits.
Nice work Karina,
M.
On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test
display:none
with flash.
http://www.neo-archaic.net/display.htm has a page similar to the index
page,
but instead of the replaceFlash.js script, it has a link to a script
called
display.js with the following code:
// JavaScript Document
document.write (style id='hide' object{display:none;} /style)
function show(){
document.getElementById(hide).disabled = true;
}
function hide(){
document.getElementById(hide).disabled = false;
}
Two links, show and hide, call the functions that control the display of a
growing tree animation.
What happens is that although the tree has had enough time to grow (you
can
wait all you want), it only starts growing after show() has been called,
so
that means it hasn't had the chance to load before, however long you wait
before clicking. When hide() is called, however, the animation stays
loaded, and does not reload again.
I think this proves that display:none prevents the flash from loading,
unless there's a better explanation?
Karina
PS: The homepage www.neo-archaic.net has the display.js script enabled, so
you can see it in action there.
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as i stated in another mail in another thread, using the 'object tag only' methods is very buggy and can cause lots of headaches... JAWS will not read the Flash content, and some older browser will ignore the param tags, so you can't use flashvars or specifiy wmode or other parameters. there's more info here: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/accessibility/archives/2005/08/ in_search_of_a.cfm On Apr 21, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Karina Steffens wrote: Hiya, Great work to you and Kevin. I'm writing a little tutorial about my solution which I intend to place on my blog as soon as it's done. The version detection was the last bit that I wanted to get sorted first, and it seems to be working like a charm. Regarding the display:none issue - I've changed my code from visibility to display and noticed an interesting thing. Some background first: I'm using a standards compatible version of the object tag: object data=flash/home.swf type=application/x-shockwave-flash codebase=http://www.neo-archaic.net; width=620 height=350 param name=movie value=flash/home.swf / param name=menu value=false / param name=wmode value=transparent / param name=quality value=best / pAlternative content if flash is not present/p /object This works well on both ie and Mozilla based browsers without needing to use the embed tag. The downside is that the movie waits until it's loaded before it starts to play. On IE this results in a placeholder showing up briefly before the content is loaded. When I use the visibility:hidden style with the replaceFlash script and reload the page locally, I don't see the placeholder because it disappears before the content is replaced (the original object having loaded by then). But when I change it to the display:none style, it appears again before the movie starts playing. This could mean that display:none does prevent the flash from loading after all! What do you think? Karina -Original Message- From: elibol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2006 19:18 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Hi Karina, Kevin Newman deserves the credit, I've just written some of the code. Great work though, I'm very happy to have a little team working on this problem now. I'm sure we will solve it soon enough. I think Geoff mentioned that display:none does not prevent the object from loading, Ryan further validates this by giving us a clear idea of how html documents function, so, we should continue under the assumption that if the object is defined in the original document then it will always load. M. On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure if you can do that, but what about using an intermediate stub? Then you could communicate with and tell it when to load the main content. This might even work automatically, with one of the object replacement techniques. Or... Here's a thought - what if the style for the object starts with display:none for the object, and then changes to display:block when the page has loaded. display: none removes the element from the document's flow, while visibility:hidden simply makes it invisible. Do you think this might do the trick? Karina -Original Message- From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is possible to detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I could just replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question is if it is possible to detect when an object is added... Kevin N. Kevin Newman wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading? Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready for it to load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to add the tag to the page when you are ready for it to start loading. ryanm
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Is the object tag only method the Flash Satay method? M. On 4/21/06, Geoff Stearns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i stated in another mail in another thread, using the 'object tag only' methods is very buggy and can cause lots of headaches... JAWS will not read the Flash content, and some older browser will ignore the param tags, so you can't use flashvars or specifiy wmode or other parameters. there's more info here: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/accessibility/archives/2005/08/ in_search_of_a.cfm On Apr 21, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Karina Steffens wrote: Hiya, Great work to you and Kevin. I'm writing a little tutorial about my solution which I intend to place on my blog as soon as it's done. The version detection was the last bit that I wanted to get sorted first, and it seems to be working like a charm. Regarding the display:none issue - I've changed my code from visibility to display and noticed an interesting thing. Some background first: I'm using a standards compatible version of the object tag: object data=flash/home.swf type=application/x-shockwave-flash codebase=http://www.neo-archaic.net; width=620 height=350 param name=movie value=flash/home.swf / param name=menu value=false / param name=wmode value=transparent / param name=quality value=best / pAlternative content if flash is not present/p /object This works well on both ie and Mozilla based browsers without needing to use the embed tag. The downside is that the movie waits until it's loaded before it starts to play. On IE this results in a placeholder showing up briefly before the content is loaded. When I use the visibility:hidden style with the replaceFlash script and reload the page locally, I don't see the placeholder because it disappears before the content is replaced (the original object having loaded by then). But when I change it to the display:none style, it appears again before the movie starts playing. This could mean that display:none does prevent the flash from loading after all! What do you think? Karina -Original Message- From: elibol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2006 19:18 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Hi Karina, Kevin Newman deserves the credit, I've just written some of the code. Great work though, I'm very happy to have a little team working on this problem now. I'm sure we will solve it soon enough. I think Geoff mentioned that display:none does not prevent the object from loading, Ryan further validates this by giving us a clear idea of how html documents function, so, we should continue under the assumption that if the object is defined in the original document then it will always load. M. On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure if you can do that, but what about using an intermediate stub? Then you could communicate with and tell it when to load the main content. This might even work automatically, with one of the object replacement techniques. Or... Here's a thought - what if the style for the object starts with display:none for the object, and then changes to display:block when the page has loaded. display: none removes the element from the document's flow, while visibility:hidden simply makes it invisible. Do you think this might do the trick? Karina -Original Message- From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it is possible to detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I could just replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question is if it is possible to detect when an object is added... Kevin N. Kevin Newman wrote: Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't solve the specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not concerned with the merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I can make it work). If I could figure out how to detect when a new object tag has been added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested them), then use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be satisfied with that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think that stops it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to completely turn off an embedded object in IE? Thanks, Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading activex or to prevent it from loading
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Hi ryanm, I see what you are saying about the object node existing in the dom tree in IE's (or any browser's) memory, even if the object is set to display:none. I think the question as it relates to this hack is whether in IE's specific implementation is downloading and running the ActiveXObject if the object is hidden in this way. There are some ways to test this, as some other on here have done with promising results (and I'll add my own tests in a few), but it would be good to get a hold of some documentation that show's clearly whether or not IE is loading that content. Kevin N. ryanm wrote: Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test display:none with flash. Display:none causes the object not to be rendered, but it is still instantiated in memory. The object exists and will begin loading, but but will not be displayed or consume any real estate on the page. The visibility style doesn't affect how the element is rendered, it only affects whether it is visible or not, so an invisible elemnt still takes up real estate on the page, you just can't see it. So if you have a table with display:inline that is invisible, the space will be reserved for the table, but it will not be rendered to the page. The display style sets the display mode of the element (inline, block, or none), and determines how page space is reserved for the element. It does not, however, tell the element anything at all about whether to begin loading, elements will load according to their defined behavior as soon as they exist on the page. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Hello guys,
I added a test here: http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/sound.html
The good news is that the sound doesn't play in if the object is hidden
with display:block. So this at least appears to work. I will add some
more thorough tests using other ActiveX types and some that ping the
server to see what's really happening.
It has been quite fun working with you guys on this. :-)
Thanks,
Kevin N.
elibol wrote:
I'm no expert on this, there are many others here that should know the
answer but my guess is that the object is downloaded but not rendered. You
can test this by calling a javascript function from within your flash movie.
try getURL('javascript:alert(movie running);'); from within your movie.
I just tested this, http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/
I added a link that runs the disable css code and only when it is clicked
the movie object renders.
I think there is a distinct delineation that must be made between whether
objects are downloaded and whether they are active/rendered/running.
I think that if the objects are just downloaded, it makes no difference. My
only concern was hit counting scripts like hit box that would make calls
from within flash, but if the flash movie is never activated, it should not
double hits.
Nice work Karina,
M.
On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test
display:none
with flash.
http://www.neo-archaic.net/display.htm has a page similar to the index
page,
but instead of the replaceFlash.js script, it has a link to a script
called
display.js with the following code:
// JavaScript Document
document.write (style id='hide' object{display:none;} /style)
function show(){
document.getElementById(hide).disabled = true;
}
function hide(){
document.getElementById(hide).disabled = false;
}
Two links, show and hide, call the functions that control the display of a
growing tree animation.
What happens is that although the tree has had enough time to grow (you
can
wait all you want), it only starts growing after show() has been called,
so
that means it hasn't had the chance to load before, however long you wait
before clicking. When hide() is called, however, the animation stays
loaded, and does not reload again.
I think this proves that display:none prevents the flash from loading,
unless there's a better explanation?
Karina
PS: The homepage www.neo-archaic.net has the display.js script enabled, so
you can see it in action there.
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I've enjoyed myself too. I'm pleased to meet those passionate coders.
M.
On 4/21/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello guys,
I added a test here:
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/sound.html
The good news is that the sound doesn't play in if the object is hidden
with display:block. So this at least appears to work. I will add some
more thorough tests using other ActiveX types and some that ping the
server to see what's really happening.
It has been quite fun working with you guys on this. :-)
Thanks,
Kevin N.
elibol wrote:
I'm no expert on this, there are many others here that should know the
answer but my guess is that the object is downloaded but not rendered.
You
can test this by calling a javascript function from within your flash
movie.
try getURL('javascript:alert(movie running);'); from within your
movie.
I just tested this, http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/
I added a link that runs the disable css code and only when it is
clicked
the movie object renders.
I think there is a distinct delineation that must be made between
whether
objects are downloaded and whether they are active/rendered/running.
I think that if the objects are just downloaded, it makes no difference.
My
only concern was hit counting scripts like hit box that would make calls
from within flash, but if the flash movie is never activated, it should
not
double hits.
Nice work Karina,
M.
On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Following my previous email, I thought of a better way to test
display:none
with flash.
http://www.neo-archaic.net/display.htm has a page similar to the index
page,
but instead of the replaceFlash.js script, it has a link to a script
called
display.js with the following code:
// JavaScript Document
document.write (style id='hide' object{display:none;} /style)
function show(){
document.getElementById(hide).disabled = true;
}
function hide(){
document.getElementById(hide).disabled = false;
}
Two links, show and hide, call the functions that control the display
of a
growing tree animation.
What happens is that although the tree has had enough time to grow (you
can
wait all you want), it only starts growing after show() has been
called,
so
that means it hasn't had the chance to load before, however long you
wait
before clicking. When hide() is called, however, the animation stays
loaded, and does not reload again.
I think this proves that display:none prevents the flash from loading,
unless there's a better explanation?
Karina
PS: The homepage www.neo-archaic.net has the display.js script enabled,
so
you can see it in action there.
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Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Bye! On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Zárate ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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ditto On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote: Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Bye! On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Zárate ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. elibol wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. On 4/20/06, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ditto On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote: Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Bye! On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Zárate ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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=] For your question, this article seems relevant: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/dynamicCSS.php M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. elibol wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. On 4/20/06, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ditto On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote: Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Bye! On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Zárate ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Thanks for the resource Kevin, this looks like a useful library. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =] For your question, this article seems relevant: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/dynamicCSS.php M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. elibol wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. On 4/20/06, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ditto On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote: Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Bye! On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Zárate ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE:[Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Maybe Microsoft took their own initiative, but it is still a reaction to Eoals. If Eolas wasn't pushing their bogus patent, Microsoft would not have done this. Its silly to say they did this to hurt Adobe as it affects all active x objects including Microsoft's own windows media player. The only company that gains here is Eolas... The rest of the world gets screwed. -- Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: RE:[Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Maybe Microsoft took their own initiative, but it is still a reaction to Eoals. If Eolas wasn't pushing their bogus patent, Microsoft would not have done this. Its silly to say they did this to hurt Adobe as it affects all active x objects including Microsoft's own windows media player. The only company that gains here is Eolas... The rest of the world gets screwed. Well, not only that, but the switch had to be made sooner or later, right? Why just push the inevitable forward - instead of learn to deal with it now, while the new MSIE is still on beta testing and not shipping, and the only way to get it to the current MSIE being through some patch most people won't even install? Maybe it's only me, but I think it's great we're being 'forced' to do the jump to FlashObject (or whatever) now simply because the active content problem *exists*, instead of being forced when the active content problem is *mainstream* and we have to rush things to un-screw client websites. One can argue that more time would be better to make sure all of our content were compliant, but c'mon - the patent problem has been decided what, a couple years ago, and I didn't see anyone rushing to fix anything on their websites or even discussing it on the list other than saying well, this sucks. The whole thing just started big after the beta or the patch had been made available to moderately normal people (us flash developers). Better earlier than later -- I don't see how MS is trying to screw anyone... specially because they're also getting equally screwed in the process. - Zeh ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. elibol wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. On 4/20/06, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ditto On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:45 AM, Zárate wrote: Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Bye! On 4/20/06, Stephen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Zárate ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. Good luck with that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe. That's absurd. They lost a suit to Eolas. Microsoft had several options: 1. License the technology from Eolas. 2. Continue violating the patent, and get sued for their continued violation. 3. Change the functionality to circumvent the patent. So, yes, that's their own initiative, but to say it has nothing to do with a court ruling is, again, absurd. It's simply Microsoft's good fortune that this negatively affects Flash just like any other ActiveX control. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
doesn't this method break flashvars and other params? On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
How about we come up with a way to hack the windows updating server and dispatch a hot fix to override the active object activation? We could have the hotfix include a procedure which replaced the windows server updaters server locator to lookup servers at some arbitrary domain that maps to our own server through an anonymous proxy. The domain would switch proxies through another proxied server that took care of periodic remappings with the DNS. We could set these servers up in the 4 corners of the planet with transmitters that clone connect to various NAPs, maybe one on the moon as a failsafe which had a protruding finger that pressed the big red 'destroy windows' button incase the servers on Earth were ever found and disabled. Not so elaborate now friends, so who's with me? What if we built a mind control device and used it on Swords? Anyone? M. On 4/20/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. Good luck with that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Who put acid into Elibol's tea? - Original Message - From: elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... How about we come up with a way to hack the windows updating server and dispatch a hot fix to override the active object activation? We could have the hotfix include a procedure which replaced the windows server updaters server locator to lookup servers at some arbitrary domain that maps to our own server through an anonymous proxy. The domain would switch proxies through another proxied server that took care of periodic remappings with the DNS. We could set these servers up in the 4 corners of the planet with transmitters that clone connect to various NAPs, maybe one on the moon as a failsafe which had a protruding finger that pressed the big red 'destroy windows' button incase the servers on Earth were ever found and disabled. Not so elaborate now friends, so who's with me? What if we built a mind control device and used it on Swords? Anyone? M. On 4/20/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. Good luck with that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
You know, I actually didn't check it out that thoroughly. I'll take a look some time. Why would it break params, if you happen to know off hand? Thanks. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: doesn't this method break flashvars and other params? On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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The problem is the automatic interaction of embedded objects within the current document. As long as the object doesn't allow interaction automatically from within the current document it doesn't violate the patent. Which is why you have to embed the object from an external source (a linked js file) using some kind of programming (meaning it isn't automatic and isn't integrated). This script attempts to do that by just re-inserting the object in it's current position from an external js file, and this does go through any object type (it just goes through all object tags). Geoff Stearns has mentioned that this method may drop some params though, so I'm not sure this will work as is (or as I hoped it would). Kevin N. elibol wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
there's been a couple other people sending scripts around that do the exact same thing as yours, but IE handles inner/outerHTML very poorly, so I think it drops the param tags inside the object tag... or something like that. On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: You know, I actually didn't check it out that thoroughly. I'll take a look some time. Why would it break params, if you happen to know off hand? Thanks. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: doesn't this method break flashvars and other params? On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I've been drinking far too many energy drinks today, we stocked the office with Red Bull you see... Somebody stop me. On 4/20/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who put acid into Elibol's tea? - Original Message - From: elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... How about we come up with a way to hack the windows updating server and dispatch a hot fix to override the active object activation? We could have the hotfix include a procedure which replaced the windows server updaters server locator to lookup servers at some arbitrary domain that maps to our own server through an anonymous proxy. The domain would switch proxies through another proxied server that took care of periodic remappings with the DNS. We could set these servers up in the 4 corners of the planet with transmitters that clone connect to various NAPs, maybe one on the moon as a failsafe which had a protruding finger that pressed the big red 'destroy windows' button incase the servers on Earth were ever found and disabled. Not so elaborate now friends, so who's with me? What if we built a mind control device and used it on Swords? Anyone? M. On 4/20/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe web developers should stop making sites that work with IE. Good luck with that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Maybe it's time for Adobe to start promoting the use of Firefox/alternative web browsers... Why? ActiveX is a far superior plugin framework to Mozilla plugins. You're only one step from the slashdotters, who say you should just stop using Flash alltogether. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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FlashObject seems to work well.. Just downloaded and Installed IE7 - my site still works without having to activate it, which is a relief, but I have to click to activate anything at macromedia.com. The aforemention hgtv.com also works without activation. One odd thing after installing IE7 - my text seems antialiased in outlook express now... definitely different. Have to look into that. Dave - Adobe Community Expert www.blurredistinction.com www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Do you have a link to someplace that I can check out those other scripts, or discussion of them? It'd be better to pool the effort rather than working individually. By the way, if I add an alert to take a look at what gets returned when I access the outerHTML property, it shows a lot of params (a lot more than I defined in the actual html). It looks like even though FlashVars shows up, it looses it's value. I added that into my demo so you can take a look. Thanks, Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: there's been a couple other people sending scripts around that do the exact same thing as yours, but IE handles inner/outerHTML very poorly, so I think it drops the param tags inside the object tag... or something like that. On Apr 20, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: You know, I actually didn't check it out that thoroughly. I'll take a look some time. Why would it break params, if you happen to know off hand? Thanks. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: doesn't this method break flashvars and other params? On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything. It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to implement it. Kevin N. elibol wrote: It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Yes absolutely. http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ In this example, at least on my machine, it drops the flashvars for the object (embed is fine). You can see for yourself if you carefully read the alert box text: the embed tag has its flashvars but the object does not have it (value is an empty string). B. 2006/4/20, Geoff Stearns [EMAIL PROTECTED]: doesn't this method break flashvars and other params? On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Another drawback: (that might be problematic in some cases). This technique has the double run problem. I mean, the flash movie might start running, before the javascript had a change to do its magic of replacing it. Depending on what the flash movie is doing and timing, the result might do a sudden blink. I didn't do extensive testing, but I suspect it might impact the load time of the page since loading a flash movie in IE always seems to hangs the browser for a split second. (depending on the complexity of the flash movie) - so the hanging time would be doubled presumably. I want to point out that this technique is not 100% bad. It is actually one of the best bang-for-the-buck for existing pages. (unlike the FlashObject which requires much more changes). It is great for many cases - it is a brute-force, extremely low-cost method. B. 2006/4/20, Bernard Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes absolutely. http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ In this example, at least on my machine, it drops the flashvars for the object (embed is fine). You can see for yourself if you carefully read the alert box text: the embed tag has its flashvars but the object does not have it (value is an empty string). B. 2006/4/20, Geoff Stearns [EMAIL PROTECTED]: doesn't this method break flashvars and other params? On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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If anyone is interested, I gave a presentation to the minnesota flash user group last night about FlashObject, and it included a bit of Eolas info in it. it was basically a general rundown of the benefits of using FlashObject and a primer for getting started using it. view it here: http://mmusergroup.breezecentral.com/p64707124/ (had a couple small technical issues, but i think it still turned out ok :)) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I've modified it to transfer FlashVars http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/ On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything. It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to implement it. Kevin N. elibol wrote: It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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Sweet presentation man. On 4/20/06, Geoff Stearns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is interested, I gave a presentation to the minnesota flash user group last night about FlashObject, and it included a bit of Eolas info in it. it was basically a general rundown of the benefits of using FlashObject and a primer for getting started using it. view it here: http://mmusergroup.breezecentral.com/p64707124/ (had a couple small technical issues, but i think it still turned out ok :)) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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This issue applies to all three activeX controls i use + Flash. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've modified it to transfer FlashVars http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/ On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything. It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to implement it. Kevin N. elibol wrote: It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I change it so that it might work on all Objects. :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ I took care of that loading forever bug too. Does anyone know if setting display:none on an object prevents it from loading? If not, then double loading is the only thing left to take care of. Nice coding btw. Kevin N. elibol wrote: I've modified it to transfer FlashVars http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/ On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything. It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to implement it. Kevin N. elibol wrote: It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
setting display:none won't stop anything from loading, so it will load twice. (or load part way and then load again, etc.) On Apr 21, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I change it so that it might work on all Objects. :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ I took care of that loading forever bug too. Does anyone know if setting display:none on an object prevents it from loading? If not, then double loading is the only thing left to take care of. Nice coding btw. Kevin N. elibol wrote: I've modified it to transfer FlashVars http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/patentMagic/ On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I'm doing to try and keep the objects from loading is defining all objects with display:none - is there a more reliable way to prevent objects from loading in the background? I took a quick look on msdn for some ActiveX magic method, but wasn't able to find anything. It looks like it does loose the values of some of the params unfortunately. If there is a way around that, I'd be happy to implement it. Kevin N. elibol wrote: It doesn't seem to Geoff, I tested it with a 100%x100% object: http://anticipatechange.com/huseyin/shifty.html The object tag has noscale params, there is one problem though, it seems as if the replaced objects appear to still be loading from the browsers perspective. Besides this, seems like a reliable exploit so far. Nice job Kevin. M. On 4/20/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it make sense for this to work with all Active X Objects? The idea is to override object activation by rewriting the objects after the document is loaded? Is this a hole in the activation process, where it will only force activation when the page is being initialized? Objects written after the page is loaded slip through? M. On 4/20/06, Kevin Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to have to redefine all the stuff that has already been defined in the html object. So I made this: :-) http://www.unfocus.com/projects/PatentMagic/ A super tiny js file include and a stylesheet takes care of all object activation. It's a bit brute force, but it should get the job done if you are looking for a quick fix and are using static embedded html. If anyone has any ideas on how to make this more robust, please let me know. :-) Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: you could do this with flashobject really easily. just call fo.write() whenever you want and it will replace the object you target with your flash movie. On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: I prefer solutions that try to hide IE's lack of conformity, like Dean Edwards's IE 7 script: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ There are just too many installations to realistically ignore them. Speaking of hacking on IE, is there a way to prevent an object from loading? By that I mean, I want to use Object tags to embed a Swf, but I don't want it to download or load in the background until I tell it to via a script interaction (vbscript or javascript). Will hiding it via css do the trick, or will I need to take further steps to keep it from loading? Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really dislike how they broke the interweb. - Original Message - From: Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Yes guys, it's a pretty conspicuous situation. Ryan you seem to have hacked this problem inside and out with no luck. Could you and others with a solid understanding on this problem explain exactly what has been tried as work arounds? Maybe we can find a solution if we're all caught up with what's already been done. Maybe we'll find out that there is no work around. M. On 4/19/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really dislike how they broke the interweb. - Original Message - From: Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Ok, I have not come across anything weird with IE after I installed the security patch. Everything works as it should. Am I using the wrong version of IE? Did the patch not work? IE Ver: 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elibol Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:49 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Yes guys, it's a pretty conspicuous situation. Ryan you seem to have hacked this problem inside and out with no luck. Could you and others with a solid understanding on this problem explain exactly what has been tried as work arounds? Maybe we can find a solution if we're all caught up with what's already been done. Maybe we'll find out that there is no work around. M. On 4/19/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really dislike how they broke the interweb. - Original Message - From: Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http
RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement with Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive use of ActiveX controls, not just Flash. We've run into a similar problem with an ActiveX rich text editor that now sometimes works, but doesn't always work any more. That said, I suspect they're not too upset about Flash problems. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Hi guys, Looks to me like SIFR is unaffected by this whole debacle. Can anyone else verify? If this is true, there may be something in the SIFR method that we can identify as a workable solution. -tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:51 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really dislike how they broke the interweb. - Original Message - From: Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
SIFR does what all the other solutions do (UFO, FlashObject, etc.): use JavaScript to dynamically embed the ActiveX control. - Original Message - From: Tom Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Hi guys, Looks to me like SIFR is unaffected by this whole debacle. Can anyone else verify? If this is true, there may be something in the SIFR method that we can identify as a workable solution. -tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:51 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really dislike how they broke the interweb. - Original Message - From: Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I've run into issues in Yahoo's Music site, where that site embeds
Microsoft's own Media Player, so it definitely doesn't just affect
Flash. Besides it's so easy to get around the problem with Javascript
(in most cases) - just make sure that the code that most directly
inserts the html into the page is located in an external file - even if
it's just a simple wrapper function like:
// bypass_patent_problem.js
function writeToDocument(html) {
document.write(html);
}
If that function is in a linked file, and not in the current html file,
it will bypass the patent thing, even if the html generator and all the
rest of the scripts are within the page.
Kevin N.
Dave Watts wrote:
Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security
feature to put spanners in works for Adobe?
It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement with
Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive use
of ActiveX controls, not just Flash. We've run into a similar problem with
an ActiveX rich text editor that now sometimes works, but doesn't always
work any more.
That said, I suspect they're not too upset about Flash problems.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
It also does a lot of other things, and in a unique execution order. There are any number of variables that could cause it to behave differently than UFO or FlashObject... But now that you mention it, FlashObject works for me too, although my own attempts at dynamically embedding the ActiveX control (using innerHTML or the DOM) result in that lovely Click to activate message. Will investigate further and report back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:03 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... SIFR does what all the other solutions do (UFO, FlashObject, etc.): use JavaScript to dynamically embed the ActiveX control. - Original Message - From: Tom Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Hi guys, Looks to me like SIFR is unaffected by this whole debacle. Can anyone else verify? If this is true, there may be something in the SIFR method that we can identify as a workable solution. -tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:51 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... How else do you turn a million dollar loss from a lawsuit into a positive via a compeitive advantage? Smart move on their part, although I really dislike how they broke the interweb. - Original Message - From: Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... Seems pretty obvious to me. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote: Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security feature to put spanners in works for Adobe? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Mefferd Sent: 19 April 2006 14:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... It's NOT working for me using XP and IE7. I still have to click to access the flash content. However, if I view http://www.hgtv.com I encounter no problems viewing flash content. -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Bernard Poulin wrote: What you are saying makes me a bit scary: You are saying that using all the latests software from Microsoft and after all the workarounds, it still fails. The following page should normally work with the latest microsoft patches. Does it work for you? http://www.macromedia.com/ You said that there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem. Can you give us some pointers as this is the only thread I can find about this. thanks! Bernard 2006/4/18, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you
RE: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Thanks, Kevin! This cleared it up for me. As you say, the important thing
is that the script is in an EXTERNAL file... Even if you dynamically insert
the ActiveX control via innerHTML or the DOM, the script cannot be in the
head of the document.
-tom
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Newman
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I've run into issues in Yahoo's Music site, where that site embeds
Microsoft's own Media Player, so it definitely doesn't just affect
Flash. Besides it's so easy to get around the problem with Javascript
(in most cases) - just make sure that the code that most directly
inserts the html into the page is located in an external file - even if
it's just a simple wrapper function like:
// bypass_patent_problem.js
function writeToDocument(html) {
document.write(html);
}
If that function is in a linked file, and not in the current html file,
it will bypass the patent thing, even if the html generator and all the
rest of the scripts are within the page.
Kevin N.
Dave Watts wrote:
Is it me, or does anyone else think MS added this security
feature to put spanners in works for Adobe?
It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement
with
Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive
use
of ActiveX controls, not just Flash. We've run into a similar problem with
an ActiveX rich text editor that now sometimes works, but doesn't always
work any more.
That said, I suspect they're not too upset about Flash problems.
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Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
This article shed's a little more light on the reality of Microsoft's browser changes. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/31/1840255 -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dave Watts wrote: It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement with Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive use of ActiveX controls, not just Flash. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I found this piece of information very interesting: ...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security update will require an extra mouse-click to interact with certain embedded multimedia content, Eolas Chief Operating Officer Mark Swords called on the software maker to purchase a patent license instead of worsening the browsing experience... ...Swords also moved swiftly to correct an erroneous public impression that the IE modifications were the result of a court order. There is no court order forcing Microsoft to do anything. Anything that is being done is of Microsoft's own choosing, he said... Quoting from http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1944867,00.asp M. On 4/19/06, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article shed's a little more light on the reality of Microsoft's browser changes. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/31/1840255 -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dave Watts wrote: It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement with Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive use of ActiveX controls, not just Flash. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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The whole point of this ordeal was to get Microsoft to pay them bling so that first paragraph is just a regurgatation of the obvious. The 2nd paragraph was already known, too; Microsoft publicly stated they were going to implement it irregardless of how the court case went. Not sure why the news story cited at Slashdot felt the need to clarify it because it was already clear. - Original Message - From: elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue... I found this piece of information very interesting: ...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security update will require an extra mouse-click to interact with certain embedded multimedia content, Eolas Chief Operating Officer Mark Swords called on the software maker to purchase a patent license instead of worsening the browsing experience... ...Swords also moved swiftly to correct an erroneous public impression that the IE modifications were the result of a court order. There is no court order forcing Microsoft to do anything. Anything that is being done is of Microsoft's own choosing, he said... Quoting from http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1944867,00.asp M. On 4/19/06, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article shed's a little more light on the reality of Microsoft's browser changes. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/31/1840255 -Chad On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dave Watts wrote: It's not a security feature, it's a condition of Microsoft's settlement with Eolas over a patent violation, and it negatively affects any interactive use of ActiveX controls, not just Flash. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
This might be a question with an obvious answer. Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers? Is the way IE embeds different to how other browsers handle the embed? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Claudia Barnal wrote: Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers? Microsoft is the only browser maker which has currently found a need to change the way its browser handles OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tags. They have also been the only browser maker targeted by a certain patent holder in this area. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I've been thinking about this too. On 4/19/06, Claudia Barnal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might be a question with an obvious answer. Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers? Is the way IE embeds different to how other browsers handle the embed? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Ryan you seem to have hacked this problem inside and out with no luck. Could you and others with a solid understanding on this problem explain exactly what has been tried as work arounds? Maybe we can find a solution if we're all caught up with what's already been done. As best as I can tell, it's a bug in the new patch and it's not fixable (except by MS). In some cases, enabling client-side script debugging and rebooting fixes it, in other cases it doesn't. IMO, it's just a buggy update. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers? Eolas only sued Microsoft. If they sue anyone else who makes browsers in the future, this problem may occur with those browsers. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I found this piece of information very interesting: ...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security update will require an extra mouse-click to interact with certain embedded multimedia content, Eolas Chief Operating Officer Mark Swords called on the software maker to purchase a patent license instead of worsening the browsing experience... ...Swords also moved swiftly to correct an erroneous public impression that the IE modifications were the result of a court order. There is no court order forcing Microsoft to do anything. Anything that is being done is of Microsoft's own choosing, he said... s/interesting/self-serving Of course, Mr. Swords would prefer that Microsoft pay Eolas more money. And of course, it's not a specific requirement of the settlement that Microsoft implement a change in browser behavior. They could, instead, license the Eolas patent, or they could continue to violate it, and get sued again later. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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In every case i've heard of, checking the 'disable script debugging' has fixed it. If you can reproduce your issue of always having the 'click to activate' box showing up, even when all the known bugs are accounted for, I'm sure Microsoft would like to hear about it. There is also a nice big list of known issues on this page: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912945/en-us/ So if you are still having troubles, have a look. On Apr 19, 2006, at 5:35 PM, ryanm wrote: Ryan you seem to have hacked this problem inside and out with no luck. Could you and others with a solid understanding on this problem explain exactly what has been tried as work arounds? Maybe we can find a solution if we're all caught up with what's already been done. As best as I can tell, it's a bug in the new patch and it's not fixable (except by MS). In some cases, enabling client-side script debugging and rebooting fixes it, in other cases it doesn't. IMO, it's just a buggy update. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
This might be a question with an obvious answer. Why is this (EOLAS) problem only occurring with IE an not with other browsers? Is the way IE embeds different to how other browsers handle the embed? Nope, EOLAS plainly stated that they are doing it to hurt and take money from MS, and that they will not be going after Mozilla (FireFox) even though they knowingly violate the very same patent. MS has deep pockets, so when it comes time to sue, they're the ones that take the brunt of it. And no, there was no court order forcing MS to do this, but there was a court order telling them to comply, either by paying for license or removing the functionality. They chose to remove the functionality, which was the right decision, no matter how painful it is for us developers. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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This article shed's a little more light on the reality of Microsoft's browser changes. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/31/1840255 I have a hard time taking anyone who describes an article on slashdot as shedding more light on reality seriously. :-P ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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I was under the impression that the update was dispatched to detain the patent... On 4/19/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this piece of information very interesting: ...Reacting to news that the next cumulative IE security update will require an extra mouse-click to interact with certain embedded multimedia content, Eolas Chief Operating Officer Mark Swords called on the software maker to purchase a patent license instead of worsening the browsing experience... ...Swords also moved swiftly to correct an erroneous public impression that the IE modifications were the result of a court order. There is no court order forcing Microsoft to do anything. Anything that is being done is of Microsoft's own choosing, he said... s/interesting/self-serving Of course, Mr. Swords would prefer that Microsoft pay Eolas more money. And of course, it's not a specific requirement of the settlement that Microsoft implement a change in browser behavior. They could, instead, license the Eolas patent, or they could continue to violate it, and get sued again later. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
Well said Lee. Microsoft has taken their own initiative to include Active X, Object, Embed activation in their latest IE patch. Has nothing to do with a court ruling. Can only be an attempt to make life more difficult for Adobe.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/articles/before_after.html This shows the (ugly) workaround. Cheers John - On 4/17/06, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several workstations here at work that require activation every time, on every flash piece, on every site. No one is exempt: Adobe/Macromedia, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc (all sites that I know have activation workarounds in place), all of them have flash on their sites and all of it requires activation. I have one brand new machine running the absolute latest of everything (IE 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519, Flash 8.0.24.0, etc), and it has this issue, and I have an antique machine that was upgraded from win 95 to 98 to xp home to xp pro, and incrementally upgraded for each piece to a current Flash 7 and IE 6, and it has the same issue. So, there are people on the web right now who are seeing this problem, and my question is, is it even possible for me to do anything about it? FlashObject does not work, UFO does not work, none of the available OS libraries work, and no custom solution that I've been able to write so far has worked (the examples on each of these sites don't even work). So what do I do? ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
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You need to load your flash into your HTML from an external .js file. See adobe/macormedia's site for more information. No, we all know about that. This is happening *after* using the innerHtml method to write object tags. All of the workarounds fail in some cases, apparently diue to an MS bug. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
I'll second the 'disable script debugging' issue... you should make sure that the box is checked and quit/restart the browser window. A reboot wouldn't hurt, but it shouldn't be necessary. On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:33 PM, ryanm wrote: Just for fun, you might want to see if this is limited to Flash, or if it affects other ActiveX controls. Unfortunately, I can't think of any other ActiveX controls on public sites offhand, but I ran into an issue today with a rich text editor that's an ActiveX control. Not limited to flash, all activex controls have this problem. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
