Re: [Flexradio] Atu malfunction with Flex-3000

[Mike Schwendeman]

Thanks, Dudley; 

I will ask a local ham to bring his dummy load over, and I will TEE them 
together.  (Good idea!)  I am surprised that the tuner will (logically) 
NOT attempt to tune, if it is looking at a "good enough" load.  (Oh, 
well...)


You had mentioned that your Flex-3000 does not TUNE your dummy load; In 
this case, do you get a GREEN ATU button indication i n PowerSDR?


My loop antenna is 2 or 3 to one VSWR on 75 meters, for sure.  In this 
case, I'd expect the tuner to at least ATTEMPT to tune.  -Even if it 
fails, I mean.  (Is this not true?)  -For example, if one attaches a 
load that has a known 10:1 VSWR, is it correct to assume that the ATU 
will go through an ATTEMPT to tune, even if it fails?  (Which would take 
several seconds.)  I would fully expect this to be the operation, as 
this has been the case for ALL of the many ATU devices that I have 
owned.  (I have owned way too many, and all had this predictable 
try-tune-even-if-fail; -Even my now-gone SDR-1000's ATU did this!)


In my case, the ATU "refuses" after an extremely short tune-period!  
-Short tune-period is defined as under one second, which is what I am 
seeing.  (Only one time, did I see the ATU do a LONG tune-up, resulting 
in a GREEN ATU button in PowerSDR.  This tune-period took 8 to 10 
seconds,  as I recall.  This was on my loop antenna, the one with the 
2:1 or 3:1 VSWR.)


When I attach my LDG Z-11-Pro to the Flex-3000, it takes several seconds 
to tune, as I'd expect.  As such, I'd expect the Flex-3000's ATU to at 
least go through some gyrations, attempting to tune.   -Even if it 
fails.  This is OK and expected, but it is expected to TRY, from my 
experience with a lot of other ATU devices that I have owned.


Thank you for your input.
-Mike-K0JTA

Dudley Hurry wrote:

Mike,

If the SWR is less than 1.2:1  I don't think that the tuner needs to 
tune anything and drops out.  My dummy load won't tune either,  but 
doesn't need to.   Also my 75 meter does not tune,  but it is 1.08:1.. 
at 3.847,,  but at 3.55 it's 3.3:1,  but the tuner will re-tune it to 
1.1..  Look at it this way,  the SW is smart enough not to waste your 
time trying to better your match..   One way to check it out is to T 
two dummy loads together to create a 2:1 load and try it there..


73,
Dudley

WA5QPZ



Mike Sch. wrote:
Tim;  Thank you for your prompt reply!  I will add my comments below, 
and trim off some the unneeded...



Tim Ellison wrote:

Mike,

See my comments in-line below

-Tim



What I did not know was that the "fast tune-up" was not a tune-up 
after all!  (I had interpreted the ATU button (in RED) and the BYP 
(in YELLOW) as what I was looking for, in normal operation.  On page 
58 of the Flex-3000 operator manual, I see that I should see the ATU 
in GREEN.


[Tim] If the ATU button turns green, then it was able to match 
something better than what you had previously.  If not it will be 
bypassed.
  


[Mike] OK on that; I am tuning into a KNOWN GOOD (tested on an IC-756 
Pro-II in RTTY and AM modes) dummy load. I have an expected 1:1 
match, no reflected on the Icom radio.  It was my hope that the ATU 
would accept the dummy load that I am using.


I did see the ATU button in GREEN one time only, this on an antenna 
that is less than 3:1 VSWR.  (This one time event was seen today, 
after a few hours of power-OFF for the radio.)


[Tim] The ATU will only tune antennas that are in between 1.1:1 to 3:1
  


[Mike] My point exactly.  I am tuning into (mostly) the MFJ dummy 
load.  (This should meet the minimum requirements.)  I have tried two 
different coax cable assemblies, when I have tried to tune the Flex 
into the dummy load; -I have this same non-tune into the dummy load 
and/or to the actual antenna.


[Mike] Yet, if I do not tune, (if I ignore the ATU's refusal to tune) 
I see 10 Watts of FWD power, and 0 Watts of REF power when I have the 
dummy load attached to the Flex-3000.  (As it should be, when I am 
using a dummy load.)  My point is that the dummy load is OK.



At all times (even when I first powered the unit up, and did a test 
transmission into the dummy load while chatting with Dudley), I see 
the SWR indication under the TX meter selection  as 0.0:1.  -As one 
would expect, transmitting into a dummy load.


[Tim] The SWR meter only works when tuning.  If you are just 
transmitting, the SWR meter will always show 0.0:1
  


[Mike]  OK on this.  I had not known this, but I accept.  When I 
attempt an ATU-tune (the ATU attempts for a second (maximum time), 
then refuses) I do not see any REF power.  -Again, I am using a dummy 
load, so this is as it should be.  I should not see any reflected 
power, and I do see the (10) watts of forward power, as it should be.

My settings and findings:
   AM mode; Power is set to 10 Watts
   10 Watts forward in TX meter FWD PWR
   0.0 Watts showing in the TX meter REF PWR
   0.0:1 showing in TX meter REF PWR

[Tim] Those numbers look exactly how they should for AM @ 1

Re: [Flexradio] Atu malfunction with Flex-3000

[Dudley Hurry]

Mike,

If the SWR is less than 1.2:1  I don't think that the tuner needs to 
tune anything and drops out.  My dummy load won't tune either,  but 
doesn't need to.   Also my 75 meter does not tune,  but it is 1.08:1.. 
at 3.847,,  but at 3.55 it's 3.3:1,  but the tuner will re-tune it to 
1.1..  Look at it this way,  the SW is smart enough not to waste your 
time trying to better your match..   One way to check it out is to T two 
dummy loads together to create a 2:1 load and try it there..


73,
Dudley

WA5QPZ



Mike Sch. wrote:
Tim;  Thank you for your prompt reply!  I will add my comments below, 
and trim off some the unneeded...



Tim Ellison wrote:

Mike,

See my comments in-line below

-Tim



What I did not know was that the "fast tune-up" was not a tune-up 
after all!  (I had interpreted the ATU button (in RED) and the BYP 
(in YELLOW) as what I was looking for, in normal operation.  On page 
58 of the Flex-3000 operator manual, I see that I should see the ATU 
in GREEN.


[Tim] If the ATU button turns green, then it was able to match 
something better than what you had previously.  If not it will be 
bypassed.
  


[Mike] OK on that; I am tuning into a KNOWN GOOD (tested on an IC-756 
Pro-II in RTTY and AM modes) dummy load. I have an expected 1:1 match, 
no reflected on the Icom radio.  It was my hope that the ATU would 
accept the dummy load that I am using.


I did see the ATU button in GREEN one time only, this on an antenna 
that is less than 3:1 VSWR.  (This one time event was seen today, 
after a few hours of power-OFF for the radio.)


[Tim] The ATU will only tune antennas that are in between 1.1:1 to 3:1
  


[Mike] My point exactly.  I am tuning into (mostly) the MFJ dummy 
load.  (This should meet the minimum requirements.)  I have tried two 
different coax cable assemblies, when I have tried to tune the Flex 
into the dummy load; -I have this same non-tune into the dummy load 
and/or to the actual antenna.


[Mike] Yet, if I do not tune, (if I ignore the ATU's refusal to tune) 
I see 10 Watts of FWD power, and 0 Watts of REF power when I have the 
dummy load attached to the Flex-3000.  (As it should be, when I am 
using a dummy load.)  My point is that the dummy load is OK.



At all times (even when I first powered the unit up, and did a test 
transmission into the dummy load while chatting with Dudley), I see 
the SWR indication under the TX meter selection  as 0.0:1.  -As one 
would expect, transmitting into a dummy load.


[Tim] The SWR meter only works when tuning.  If you are just 
transmitting, the SWR meter will always show 0.0:1
  


[Mike]  OK on this.  I had not known this, but I accept.  When I 
attempt an ATU-tune (the ATU attempts for a second (maximum time), 
then refuses) I do not see any REF power.  -Again, I am using a dummy 
load, so this is as it should be.  I should not see any reflected 
power, and I do see the (10) watts of forward power, as it should be.

My settings and findings:
   AM mode; Power is set to 10 Watts
   10 Watts forward in TX meter FWD PWR
   0.0 Watts showing in the TX meter REF PWR
   0.0:1 showing in TX meter REF PWR

[Tim] Those numbers look exactly how they should for AM @ 10 watts.


[Mike]  I agree.  The above is what I get, when the Flex is attached 
to my dummy load.


[Mike] But...,  I am expecting the ATU to TUNE (show the ATU button as 
GREEN) in this condition.  (It should be easy, as I am using a dummy 
load...) -THIS is my point, that the ATU will not tune into a dummy 
load, nor into my 2:1 to 3:1 "real antenna."


[Mike]  The ONE time that the Flex-3000's ATU worked for me, the time 
it took was considerably longer than the one second or less that I 
have always seen.  I accept and understand the time needed to tune.  
This ONE TIME, with the longer tune period, was the ONLY time that I 
saw the ATU button showing a GREEN color.  In all other times and 
cases, I see the ATU as GRAY or YELLOW.


[Mike] I have attached an LDG Z-11 Pro to the Flex-3000; This unit 
will tune my dummy load as well as my 2:1 to 3:1 "real" antenna.


Thanks for your support.   73!-Mike-   K0JTA

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Re: [Flexradio] Atu malfunction with Flex-3000

[Mike Sch.]

Tim;  Thank you for your prompt reply!  I will add my comments below, 
and trim off some the unneeded...



Tim Ellison wrote:

Mike,

See my comments in-line below 



-Tim



What I did not know was that the "fast tune-up" was not a tune-up after all!  
(I had interpreted the ATU button (in RED) and the BYP (in YELLOW) as what I was looking 
for, in normal operation.  On page 58 of the Flex-3000 operator manual, I see that I 
should see the ATU in GREEN.

[Tim] If the ATU button turns green, then it was able to match something better 
than what you had previously.  If not it will be bypassed.
  


[Mike] OK on that; I am tuning into a KNOWN GOOD (tested on an IC-756 
Pro-II in RTTY and AM modes) dummy load. I have an expected 1:1 match, 
no reflected on the Icom radio.  It was my hope that the ATU would 
accept the dummy load that I am using.



I did see the ATU button in GREEN one time only, this on an antenna that is 
less than 3:1 VSWR.  (This one time event was seen today, after a few hours of 
power-OFF for the radio.)

[Tim] The ATU will only tune antennas that are in between 1.1:1 to 3:1
  


[Mike] My point exactly.  I am tuning into (mostly) the MFJ dummy load.  
(This should meet the minimum requirements.)  I have tried two different 
coax cable assemblies, when I have tried to tune the Flex into the dummy 
load; -I have this same non-tune into the dummy load and/or to the 
actual antenna.


[Mike] Yet, if I do not tune, (if I ignore the ATU's refusal to tune) I 
see 10 Watts of FWD power, and 0 Watts of REF power when I have the 
dummy load attached to the Flex-3000.  (As it should be, when I am using 
a dummy load.)  My point is that the dummy load is OK.




At all times (even when I first powered the unit up, and did a test 
transmission into the dummy load while chatting with Dudley), I see the SWR 
indication under the TX meter selection  as 0.0:1.  -As one would expect, 
transmitting into a dummy load.

[Tim] The SWR meter only works when tuning.  If you are just transmitting, the 
SWR meter will always show 0.0:1
  


[Mike]  OK on this.  I had not known this, but I accept.  When I attempt 
an ATU-tune (the ATU attempts for a second (maximum time), then refuses) 
I do not see any REF power.  -Again, I am using a dummy load, so this is 
as it should be.  I should not see any reflected power, and I do see the 
(10) watts of forward power, as it should be.

My settings and findings:
   AM mode; Power is set to 10 Watts
   10 Watts forward in TX meter FWD PWR
   0.0 Watts showing in the TX meter REF PWR
   0.0:1 showing in TX meter REF PWR

[Tim] Those numbers look exactly how they should for AM @ 10 watts.


[Mike]  I agree.  The above is what I get, when the Flex is attached to 
my dummy load.


[Mike] But...,  I am expecting the ATU to TUNE (show the ATU button as 
GREEN) in this condition.  (It should be easy, as I am using a dummy 
load...) -THIS is my point, that the ATU will not tune into a dummy 
load, nor into my 2:1 to 3:1 "real antenna."


[Mike]  The ONE time that the Flex-3000's ATU worked for me, the time it 
took was considerably longer than the one second or less that I have 
always seen.  I accept and understand the time needed to tune.  This ONE 
TIME, with the longer tune period, was the ONLY time that I saw the ATU 
button showing a GREEN color.  In all other times and cases, I see the 
ATU as GRAY or YELLOW.


[Mike] I have attached an LDG Z-11 Pro to the Flex-3000; This unit will 
tune my dummy load as well as my 2:1 to 3:1 "real" antenna.


Thanks for your support.   73!-Mike-   K0JTA

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Re: [Flexradio] Atu malfunction with Flex-3000

[Tim Ellison]

Mike,

See my comments in-line below 


-Tim

-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Mike Sch.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:01 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Atu malfunction with Flex-3000

Well, I finally got my nifty new Flex-3000!  I was unsure of how to set it up, 
but Dudley walked me through my small trouble area with a short phone call.  
(Thank you, Dudley!)

While we were on the phone, I explained my use of a dummy load (an
MFJ-264 dry load).  I had remarked to him that the ATU was very FAST in tune-up!

What I did not know was that the "fast tune-up" was not a tune-up after all!  
(I had interpreted the ATU button (in RED) and the BYP (in YELLOW) as what I 
was looking for, in normal operation.  On page 58 of the Flex-3000 operator 
manual, I see that I should see the ATU in GREEN.

[Tim] If the ATU button turns green, then it was able to match something better 
than what you had previously.  If not it will be bypassed.

I did see the ATU button in GREEN one time only, this on an antenna that is 
less than 3:1 VSWR.  (This one time event was seen today, after a few hours of 
power-OFF for the radio.)

[Tim] The ATU will only tune antennas that are in between 1.1:1 to 3:1

At all times (even when I first powered the unit up, and did a test 
transmission into the dummy load while chatting with Dudley), I see the SWR 
indication under the TX meter selection  as 0.0:1.  -As one would expect, 
transmitting into a dummy load.

[Tim] The SWR meter only works when tuning.  If you are just transmitting, the 
SWR meter will always show 0.0:1

My settings and findings:
   AM mode; Power is set to 10 Watts
   10 Watts forward in TX meter FWD PWR
   0.0 Watts showing in the TX meter REF PWR
   0.0:1 showing in TX meter REF PWR

[Tim] Those numbers look exactly how they should for AM @ 10 watts

At all times, I  have made only very short transmissions.  In reading of the 
Flex Radios, I recall a database that is DELETED to resolve various issues that 
defy logic.  -Is this one of those times..?  

[Tim] No.  I don't see where you have a problem.

I see three suspect (NEW) files in the PowerSRR v1.18.0 folde as follows:
   PowerSDR.mdb
[Tim] This is you primary database

   PowerSDR.ldb
[Tim] This is a temporary DB that is created when PowerSDR is running.  It goes 
away when PowerSDR is not running.

   power.csv
[Tim] This is the data file from running a power calibration

(All three files have today's date, 4/24/2009)

[Tim] These are files that are created when you run PowerSDR

One more NEW file, F3K_1609-0021 backup.csv is dated 4/23/2009, the date that I 
actually received the unit.

[Tim] This is your EEPROM backup.  Do not delete it

Any ideas?
Thank you!   -Mike-   K0JTA

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[Flexradio] Atu malfunction with Flex-3000

[Mike Sch.]

Well, I finally got my nifty new Flex-3000!  I was unsure of how to set 
it up, but Dudley walked me through my small trouble area with a short 
phone call.  (Thank you, Dudley!)


While we were on the phone, I explained my use of a dummy load (an 
MFJ-264 dry load).  I had remarked to him that the ATU was very FAST in 
tune-up!


What I did not know was that the "fast tune-up" was not a tune-up after 
all!  (I had interpreted the ATU button (in RED) and the BYP (in YELLOW) 
as what I was looking for, in normal operation.  On page 58 of the 
Flex-3000 operator manual, I see that I should see the ATU in GREEN.


I did see the ATU button in GREEN one time only, this on an antenna that 
is less than 3:1 VSWR.  (This one time event was seen today, after a few 
hours of power-OFF for the radio.)


At all times (even when I first powered the unit up, and did a test 
transmission into the dummy load while chatting with Dudley), I see the 
SWR indication under the TX meter selection  as 0.0:1.  -As one would 
expect, transmitting into a dummy load.


My settings and findings:
  AM mode; Power is set to 10 Watts
  10 Watts forward in TX meter FWD PWR
  0.0 Watts showing in the TX meter REF PWR
  0.0:1 showing in TX meter REF PWR

At all times, I  have made only very short transmissions.  In reading of 
the Flex Radios, I recall a database that is DELETED to resolve various 
issues that defy logic.  -Is this one of those times..?  I see three 
suspect (NEW) files in the PowerSRR v1.18.0 folde as follows:

  PowerSDR.mdb
  PowerSDR.ldb
  power.csv
   (All three files have today's date, 4/24/2009)

One more NEW file, F3K_1609-0021 backup.csv is dated 4/23/2009, the date 
that I actually received the unit.


Any ideas?
Thank you!   -Mike-   K0JTA

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[Flexradio] QRV 7.198 f3k

[Lee A Crocker]

be there aloha


  
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Re: [Flexradio] [SPAM] MON on AM

[Burt]

And what IF do you use on SSB?

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Tim Ellison  wrote:

> From: Tim Ellison 
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [SPAM]  MON on AM
> To: "Joe Roth" , "Flex Radio" 
> Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:03 PM
> Paraphrased from a previous Reflector post from Eric
> 
> "The monitor is disabled on AM (and FM) since the
> monitor is literally the transmit audio and we use an 9kHz
> IF on AM.  This makes for some pretty noises into your ears.
>  ;)"
> 
> 
> 
> -Tim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz
> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Joe
> Roth
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:56 AM
> To: Flex Radio
> Subject: [SPAM] [Flexradio] MON on AM
> 
> 
> Why is the MONITOR function disabled in the AM & FM
> modes? It sure would be nice to have.
> Joe 
> 
> www.wc4r.com
> 
> www.WilliamsburgWX.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy

[Tim Ellison]

Lee,

I'll try to be on 40m tonight around 0030 to 0100 UTC in the neighborhood of 
7.180


-Tim

-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Lee A Crocker
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 5:06 PM
To: Flexradio
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy

I just got my 3K running this afternoon.  What a fun radio.  I would love to 
make some 40M contacts with other flexer's  I'm not big on 20.  My experience 
on getting going with the 3K is chronicled on  w9oy-sdr.blogspot.com

as far as flextroscopy goes 

You can make a .avi of the screen using this program 

http://camstudio.org/   go down the page to down load v2.0 and the codec and 
install.   I set up the audio out of the F5K to my computer's soundcard and 
used that to feed audio to the Camstudio recorder.  This makes a .avi that you 
can email to whoever you are talking to so they can see and hear what they look 
and sound like

73  W9OY



  
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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy

[Lee A Crocker]

I just got my 3K running this afternoon.  What a fun radio.  I would love to 
make some 40M contacts with other flexer's  I'm not big on 20.  My experience 
on getting going with the 3K is chronicled on  w9oy-sdr.blogspot.com

as far as flextroscopy goes 

You can make a .avi of the screen using this program 

http://camstudio.org/   go down the page to down load v2.0 and the codec and 
install.   I set up the audio out of the F5K to my computer's soundcard and 
used that to feed audio to the Camstudio recorder.  This makes a .avi that you 
can email to whoever you are talking to so they can see and hear what they look 
and sound like

73  W9OY



  
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Re: [Flexradio] [SPAM] MON on AM

[Tim Ellison]

Paraphrased from a previous Reflector post from Eric

"The monitor is disabled on AM (and FM) since the monitor is literally the 
transmit audio and we use an 9kHz IF on AM.  This makes for some pretty noises 
into your ears.  ;)"



-Tim

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:56 AM
To: Flex Radio
Subject: [SPAM] [Flexradio] MON on AM


Why is the MONITOR function disabled in the AM & FM modes? It sure would be 
nice to have.
Joe 

www.wc4r.com

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Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs

[Woodrick, Ed]

Let me do a few compiles and do some movie editing and graphic rendering at the 
same time that you are trying to talk on the radio. Something just tells me 
that there's going to be a few audio dropouts. 

If you have a system with significant overhead and you are using applications 
that doesn't severely tax the system, then you should be a happy camper.

But if you buy a barely fast enough computer or run some CPU or I/O intensive 
applications on a fast computer, you're probably going to have issues.

Installing PowerSDR on a 3 year old computer that has everything loaded on it 
just probably isn't going to yield pleasurable results.

What I said was, especially if you are having problems, is to start with a 
clean system and work your way up. But test to make sure that things keep 
working. 


-Original Message-
From: n3evl [mailto:n3...@townisp.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Woodrick, Ed; FlexRadio List
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs

Woodrick, Ed wrote:
> Now, if you had a regular radio, would you install a toaster in it? What 
> about using it as a remote control. Hopefully your answer is no. So why do 
> you make your SDR controller a Word Processor? A game machine? A movie viewer?
>
>   
I understand what you're getting at but, when it comes down to it, this 
_isn't_ a regular radio!  I fully expect the PC component of my radio to 
be many other things as well. 

Yes, I am careful about what I allow on there but I have yet to be 
persuaded that my _general purpose computer_ cannot remain exactly that, 
including running PowerSDR!  To date, after obtaining a suitably fast 
machine I have had zero problem running the radio and a variety of other 
applications and have no intention of stripping this PC down to be a 
glorified radio controller. 

As you say, performance is going to depend on a variety of individual 
choices of hardware, software, and configuration, and individual 
mileage will vary, but I do not accept it as a given that the PC cannot 
continue to perform as a general purpose device.

73, Pete, N3EVL



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Re: [Flexradio] MON on AM

[Burt]

Agree 100%. I have a feeling some features are there because they are easy to 
do, some not because they are hard
I would love a scope that worked like one on AM receive
-- On Fri, 4/24/09, Joe Roth  wrote:

> From: Joe Roth 
> Subject: [Flexradio] MON on AM
> To: "Flex Radio" 
> Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:56 AM
> Why is the MONITOR function disabled in the AM & FM
> modes? It sure would be nice to have.
> Joe 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

[Tim Ellison]

Whoops.  My bad.  I know better than that.  Thanks for pointing that out, Eric.



-Tim




From: Eric Wachsmann [mailto:e...@flex-radio.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:29 PM
To: Tim Ellison
Cc: Mike Sch.; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

Just one comment on that:  branches and test are lowercase in the url (which is 
case sensitive).


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
"Tune in Excitement!" (tm)

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Tim Ellison 
mailto:telli...@itsco.com>> wrote:
Mike,

Things may have changed since you used SVN last.

Based on your e-mail, you have only downloaded the binaries for the TRUNK.  The 
trunk is the current PowerSDR release (v1.18.0) with only bug fixes.  It is the 
most stable PowerSDR binaries in the SVN tree (excluding the tags).

The SVN folder that has the alpha/beta code is 
PowerSDR/Branches/Test/bin/Release (as opposed to /PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release 
where you just recently created a repository via a "checkout").  You will need 
to create different folder and do a checkout for that repository if you want to 
use alpha code.


So to answer your questions:
1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
[Tim] Yes.  Any folder that has the SVN "check mark" can be updated.  If you 
update a "parent" folder, all of the "child" (sub-folders) below it will be 
updated too

2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
[Tim] Only the application you are updating needs to be shut down or you will 
get an update error because it can not up date a file that you have open.  As a 
best practice. Shut down PowerSDR before updating

3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of PowerSDR?
[Tim]  Not necessarily.  SVN has many different PowerSDR (and other 
applications) project folders.  An update in any folder in SVN increments the 
SVN number.  That does not mean that the folder you have checked out is the one 
with the update just because the SVN number incremented.  You have to look at 
the SVN log to figure out what has been changed.

For more information about the SVN tree structure and how it is used, see the 
following KB article
http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50243.aspx

The bottom line is do the SVN update on the checkout folder and you will get 
the latest version for that folder.

-Tim

-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]
 On Behalf Of Mike Sch.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:45 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

Good day, all;

   I used to have an SDR-1000 a long time ago.  Back then, I enjoyed the 
progression the radio's functionality took, as I did the right-click and 
selected (whatever it was) to allow the latest SVN to be installed.

   Now that I have received my shiny Flex-3000, I am wondering if this is an 
applicable action for those of us who are running this new series of radio.

   It SEEMS very logical that YES, we can do this same action, but I am running 
on an HP Pavilion computer which now has XP SP-3 running on it, AFTER A VERY 
LONG BATTLE to make this a possibility.  (It was Visty,
before.)  I am just a little worried that I might mess up the efforts expended, 
you see.

   I have downloaded and installed
TortoiseSVN-1.6.1.16129-win32-svn-1.6.1.msi.  Per the instructions, I have made 
a new folder named PowerSDR SVN.  By right-clicking on this new folder, I 
selected "SVN Checkout," then downloaded "Binaries Only:
svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release"
as shown in the Tortoise instructions.

   Looking at the LOG MESSAGES, I now see the newest revision as number 2943.  
(I was SURE that I saw this number as nn50 (2950?) just before I updated this 
list a moment ago!  -What's THAT all about?)

   So, my basic questions:
1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of PowerSDR?

   What steps do I need to take?

   Thank you for your patience.  (I need this, as I am an old phart.)

   73!MikeK0JTA

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

[Eric Wachsmann]

Just one comment on that:  branches and test are lowercase in the url (which
is case sensitive).


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
"*Tune in Excitement!" ™*

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Tim Ellison  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Things may have changed since you used SVN last.
>
> Based on your e-mail, you have only downloaded the binaries for the TRUNK.
>  The trunk is the current PowerSDR release (v1.18.0) with only bug fixes.
>  It is the most stable PowerSDR binaries in the SVN tree (excluding the
> tags).
>
> The SVN folder that has the alpha/beta code is
> PowerSDR/Branches/Test/bin/Release (as opposed to
> /PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release where you just recently created a repository via
> a "checkout").  You will need to create different folder and do a checkout
> for that repository if you want to use alpha code.
>
>
> So to answer your questions:
> 1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
> [Tim] Yes.  Any folder that has the SVN "check mark" can be updated.  If
> you update a "parent" folder, all of the "child" (sub-folders) below it will
> be updated too
>
> 2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
> [Tim] Only the application you are updating needs to be shut down or you
> will get an update error because it can not up date a file that you have
> open.  As a best practice. Shut down PowerSDR before updating
>
> 3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of
> PowerSDR?
> [Tim]  Not necessarily.  SVN has many different PowerSDR (and other
> applications) project folders.  An update in any folder in SVN increments
> the SVN number.  That does not mean that the folder you have checked out is
> the one with the update just because the SVN number incremented.  You have
> to look at the SVN log to figure out what has been changed.
>
> For more information about the SVN tree structure and how it is used, see
> the following KB article
> http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50243.aspx
>
> The bottom line is do the SVN update on the checkout folder and you will
> get the latest version for that folder.
>
> -Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:
> flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Mike Sch.
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:45 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)
>
> Good day, all;
>
>I used to have an SDR-1000 a long time ago.  Back then, I enjoyed the
> progression the radio's functionality took, as I did the right-click and
> selected (whatever it was) to allow the latest SVN to be installed.
>
>Now that I have received my shiny Flex-3000, I am wondering if this is
> an applicable action for those of us who are running this new series of
> radio.
>
>It SEEMS very logical that YES, we can do this same action, but I am
> running on an HP Pavilion computer which now has XP SP-3 running on it,
> AFTER A VERY LONG BATTLE to make this a possibility.  (It was Visty,
> before.)  I am just a little worried that I might mess up the efforts
> expended, you see.
>
>I have downloaded and installed
> TortoiseSVN-1.6.1.16129-win32-svn-1.6.1.msi.  Per the instructions, I have
> made a new folder named PowerSDR SVN.  By right-clicking on this new folder,
> I selected "SVN Checkout," then downloaded "Binaries Only:
> svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release"
> as shown in the Tortoise instructions.
>
>Looking at the LOG MESSAGES, I now see the newest revision as number
> 2943.  (I was SURE that I saw this number as nn50 (2950?) just before I
> updated this list a moment ago!  -What's THAT all about?)
>
>So, my basic questions:
> 1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
> 2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
> 3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of
> PowerSDR?
>
>What steps do I need to take?
>
>Thank you for your patience.  (I need this, as I am an old phart.)
>
>73!MikeK0JTA
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

[Tim Ellison]

Mike,

Things may have changed since you used SVN last.

Based on your e-mail, you have only downloaded the binaries for the TRUNK.  The 
trunk is the current PowerSDR release (v1.18.0) with only bug fixes.  It is the 
most stable PowerSDR binaries in the SVN tree (excluding the tags).  

The SVN folder that has the alpha/beta code is 
PowerSDR/Branches/Test/bin/Release (as opposed to /PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release 
where you just recently created a repository via a "checkout").  You will need 
to create different folder and do a checkout for that repository if you want to 
use alpha code.


So to answer your questions:
1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
[Tim] Yes.  Any folder that has the SVN "check mark" can be updated.  If you 
update a "parent" folder, all of the "child" (sub-folders) below it will be 
updated too

2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
[Tim] Only the application you are updating needs to be shut down or you will 
get an update error because it can not up date a file that you have open.  As a 
best practice. Shut down PowerSDR before updating

3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of PowerSDR?
[Tim]  Not necessarily.  SVN has many different PowerSDR (and other 
applications) project folders.  An update in any folder in SVN increments the 
SVN number.  That does not mean that the folder you have checked out is the one 
with the update just because the SVN number incremented.  You have to look at 
the SVN log to figure out what has been changed.

For more information about the SVN tree structure and how it is used, see the 
following KB article
http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50243.aspx

The bottom line is do the SVN update on the checkout folder and you will get 
the latest version for that folder.

-Tim

-Original Message-
From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Mike Sch.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:45 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

Good day, all;

I used to have an SDR-1000 a long time ago.  Back then, I enjoyed the 
progression the radio's functionality took, as I did the right-click and 
selected (whatever it was) to allow the latest SVN to be installed.

Now that I have received my shiny Flex-3000, I am wondering if this is an 
applicable action for those of us who are running this new series of radio.

It SEEMS very logical that YES, we can do this same action, but I am 
running on an HP Pavilion computer which now has XP SP-3 running on it, AFTER A 
VERY LONG BATTLE to make this a possibility.  (It was Visty,
before.)  I am just a little worried that I might mess up the efforts expended, 
you see.

I have downloaded and installed
TortoiseSVN-1.6.1.16129-win32-svn-1.6.1.msi.  Per the instructions, I have made 
a new folder named PowerSDR SVN.  By right-clicking on this new folder, I 
selected "SVN Checkout," then downloaded "Binaries Only: 
svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release" 
as shown in the Tortoise instructions. 

Looking at the LOG MESSAGES, I now see the newest revision as number 2943.  
(I was SURE that I saw this number as nn50 (2950?) just before I updated this 
list a moment ago!  -What's THAT all about?)

So, my basic questions:
1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of PowerSDR?

What steps do I need to take?

Thank you for your patience.  (I need this, as I am an old phart.)

73!MikeK0JTA   

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

[Neal Campbell]

It sounds like you are doing the right things. Yes, shut down Psdr
before doing the upgrade as it will overwrite the program's exe file.

Its second nature to me now, I hardly even remember that I do it every day!

73 es welcome home

Neal Campbell
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www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 242 0911




On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mike Sch.  wrote:
> Good day, all;
>
>   I used to have an SDR-1000 a long time ago.  Back then, I enjoyed the
> progression the radio's functionality took, as I did the right-click and
> selected (whatever it was) to allow the latest SVN to be installed.
>
>   Now that I have received my shiny Flex-3000, I am wondering if this is an
> applicable action for those of us who are running this new series of radio.
>
>   It SEEMS very logical that YES, we can do this same action, but I am
> running on an HP Pavilion computer which now has XP SP-3 running on it,
> AFTER A VERY LONG BATTLE to make this a possibility.  (It was Visty,
> before.)  I am just a little worried that I might mess up the efforts
> expended, you see.
>
>   I have downloaded and installed
> TortoiseSVN-1.6.1.16129-win32-svn-1.6.1.msi.  Per the instructions, I have
> made a new folder named PowerSDR SVN.  By right-clicking on this new folder,
> I selected "SVN Checkout," then downloaded "Binaries Only:
> svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release" as
> shown in the Tortoise instructions.
>   Looking at the LOG MESSAGES, I now see the newest revision as number 2943.
>  (I was SURE that I saw this number as nn50 (2950?) just before I updated
> this list a moment ago!  -What's THAT all about?)
>
>   So, my basic questions:
> 1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
> 2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
> 3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of
> PowerSDR?
>
>   What steps do I need to take?
>
>   Thank you for your patience.  (I need this, as I am an old phart.)
>
>   73!    Mike    K0JTA
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[Flexradio] Flex-3000 and SVN updates (Do them, or NOT?)

[Mike Sch.]

Good day, all;

   I used to have an SDR-1000 a long time ago.  Back then, I enjoyed 
the progression the radio's functionality took, as I did the right-click 
and selected (whatever it was) to allow the latest SVN to be installed.


   Now that I have received my shiny Flex-3000, I am wondering if this 
is an applicable action for those of us who are running this new series 
of radio.


   It SEEMS very logical that YES, we can do this same action, but I am 
running on an HP Pavilion computer which now has XP SP-3 running on it, 
AFTER A VERY LONG BATTLE to make this a possibility.  (It was Visty, 
before.)  I am just a little worried that I might mess up the efforts 
expended, you see.


   I have downloaded and installed 
TortoiseSVN-1.6.1.16129-win32-svn-1.6.1.msi.  Per the instructions, I 
have made a new folder named PowerSDR SVN.  By right-clicking on this 
new folder, I selected "SVN Checkout," then downloaded "Binaries Only: 
svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release" 
as shown in the Tortoise instructions. 

   Looking at the LOG MESSAGES, I now see the newest revision as number 
2943.  (I was SURE that I saw this number as nn50 (2950?) just before I 
updated this list a moment ago!  -What's THAT all about?)


   So, my basic questions:
1. Is it OK to right-click on the PowerSVN folder, select SVN Update?
2. If I do this, I am assuming that PowerSDR 1.18.0 is to be shut down.
3. After I download the SVN(s), will I see an SVN number at the top of 
PowerSDR?


   What steps do I need to take?

   Thank you for your patience.  (I need this, as I am an old phart.)

   73!MikeK0JTA   


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Re: [Flexradio] High Quality Color FLEX-3000 Owner's Manual NOW available.

[Peter A Markavage]

To all:
I accidently omitted several lines in my original post. If you want me to
bring Flex 3000 or 5000 operating manuals to Dayton, don't order from the
web site. Send me an e-mail ( manual...@juno.com )and I'll e-mail you an
invoice. The web site order processing automatically computes shipping.
If I bring it to Dayton, there is no shipping charge.

Pete, wa2cwa
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[Flexradio] SDR Forum at Dayton

[Robert McGwier]

Room 5,  Friday PM

http://www.hamvention.org/files/2009Forums-Friday.pdf


See you there.

Bob
N4HY

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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m

[K4ECP1/Jim Kunowsky]

I'm game...let me know when and where!  My new 3K needs a workout.

73,
Jim / K4ECP


- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Ellison" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:10 AM
Subject: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m



Just a short QST

There were several of us running FLEX-3000s last night on 40m (7.181) @ 
0130 UTC that gathered a fairly large round table before propagation 
changed swiftly we all dropped into the noise.  It was really fun to 
listen to other FLEX-3000s and talking about the radio in general. 
Particularly interesting is when you start using PowerSDR to record 
stations over the air and play back their audio.  Then other ops (usually 
non Flexers)  start gathering like crazy.  Dale WA8SRA actually helped on 
guy, Don K4ENE,  identify and rectify a particularly loud noise on his 
signal.  Using the Panadapter, he was able to identify the interference as 
being  a really annoying 120 Hz peak.  Of all things, it was isolated to 
vibrational noise coming from his AMP being transmitted down the mic boom 
and into his PR-781 mic.  Now try that with a "firmware defined radio". I 
think we have defined a new branch of science; flextroscopy - 
characterizing over the air RF signals using an FlexRadio SDR  HI HI.


If there is some interest in making an informal gathering on 40m, we can 
try to do this several times a week.



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Re: [Flexradio] Latency problem finally SOLVED!

[Jim R]

 
Guys
This was also a known problem with some Gigabyte P35 motherboards. I 
experienced this with mine. A beta BIOS was released, then it was incorporated 
into the regular BIOS updates.



Jim

K5HY







> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:11:34 +0200
> From: rba...@gmail.com
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Latency problem finally SOLVED!
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Great news ! Latency problem with my PC is finally solved
>
> I hope some of you can find my experience useful
>
> Just to refresh - using modern - powerful PC:
>
> Core2Duo
> E8400
> 4ghz Ram
> MSI P43 NEO mother board
> OS is Win XP SP3
>
> To make a long story short  The problem is MSI P43 NEO motherboard, to
> be more specific - in BIOS, not in any hardware / software as suspected...
>
> I've changed different official BIOS version but the same problem with the
> huge DPC number ...
>
>
> Results were really terrible:
>
>
> http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/down/dpc-screen.jpg
>
> I've decided to ask the official MSI support team for the support with DPC
> problems... I got their response very fast - in 12 hours. They advised to
> flash some BETA bios version - A7519ICI.101 in my case. I got log-in
> instructions for their FPT server, downloaded and flashed this beta BIOS and
> problem is solved.
>
> Take a look of DPC screen after that:
>
> http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/down/dpc-new.jpg
>
> The difference is very obvious, maximum latency has dropped from 1960
> n-seconds to 86 only!!!
>
> I can still make some fine-tuning, but probably there is no need for that.
>
> MSI guys are familiar with this problem but none of the official BIOS
> versions solve this problem... Only unofficial BETA version from 2008 brings
> results...
>
> Good experience - we are always learning :-)
>
> 73 de Robert, S57AW
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[Flexradio] High Quality Color FLEX-3000 Owner's Manual NOW available.

[Peter A Markavage]

To all:

FLEX-3000 Owner's Manual is now available in a very high quality color
printed version. The manual is printed by a high quality color laser
printer on heavy stock bright white paper with heavy covers front and
rear, additional clear transparency cover, and can be bound several ways.
The manual can be bound by a comb binding for convenient lay-flat use,
pages only punched for a 3-hole binder, manual mounted in a 3-ring
binder, or manual supplied with no binding or punched holes. FlexRadio
Systems has authorized Pete, WA2CWA, DBA ManualMan, to print, sell, and
distribute the FLEX-3000 Owner's Manual. Further information should be
directed to p...@manualman.com or manual...@juno.com  .

I set up an order process directly on my web site for obtaining the high
resolution, "all in color", latest version, laser printed operating
manual. Just go to http://www.manualman.com Click on "Search Our Online
Catalog" (upper right of screen). Then look to the right side of the
screen "Other ManualMan Products" and click on "Flex Radio Systems".
Choose the item of interest.  Add to cart and proceed to checkout. It
will then take you to a profile screen where you can input name, address,
etc. (so I know where to ship it). After you complete and save this,
there will be a field to indicate your method of payment and then
complete the order. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to
send me an e-mail at manual...@juno.com or by phone (732) 238-8964.
 
NOTE: With Dayton Hamvention just around the corner, I will be shutting
down operations around May 3 to prepare, pack, etc. If you want me to
bring Flex 3000 or Flex 5000 operating manuals to Dayton for you to pick
up at my outside spaces 1960-1961 and save the shipping charge,  manuals
need to be prepaid and I need to know as soon as possible in order to
print whatever I need to print.

Pete, wa2cwa
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[Flexradio] Latency problem finally SOLVED!

[Robert Bajuk]

Hello guys,

Great news ! Latency problem with my PC is finally solved

I hope some of you can find my experience useful

Just to refresh - using modern - powerful PC:

Core2Duo
E8400
4ghz Ram
MSI P43 NEO mother board
OS is Win XP SP3

To make a long story short  The problem is MSI P43 NEO motherboard, to
be more specific - in BIOS, not in any hardware / software as suspected...

I've changed different official BIOS version but the same problem with the
huge DPC number ...


Results were really terrible:


http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/down/dpc-screen.jpg

I've decided to ask the official MSI support team for the support with DPC
problems... I got their response very fast - in 12 hours. They advised to
flash some BETA bios version - A7519ICI.101 in my case. I got log-in
instructions for their FPT server, downloaded and flashed this beta BIOS and
problem is solved.

Take a look of DPC screen after that:

http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/down/dpc-new.jpg

The difference is very obvious, maximum latency has dropped from 1960
n-seconds to 86 only!!!

I can still make some fine-tuning, but probably there is no need for that.

MSI guys are familiar with this problem but none of the official BIOS
versions solve this problem... Only unofficial BETA version from 2008 brings
results...

Good experience - we are always learning :-)

73 de Robert, S57AW
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Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs

[n3evl]

Brian,

Your points are well taken.  However, recent items in this thread seemed 
to be suggesting that a stripped down, dedicated PC was a requirement 
for running the radio, even to the extent of resorting to esoteric 
flavors of XP!  At least in my (statistically small sample of one) case, 
this has proven to be otherwise.  At the moment, it is convenient for me 
to run a basically unmodified instance of XP Pro on a 4-core machine.  
In that guise I can comfortably run my SDR-1000 on the delta44 card and 
another instance of PowerSDR for my HPSDR kit, while still doing mail, 
web browsing, digital modes via Ham Radio Deluxe, etc.


As I add to my HPSDR kit, I'll likely consider a more dedicated approach 
for that radio.


When the details of the new architecture are available I'll evaluate the 
distribution options that will be available, and no doubt needed, to 
take advantage of the new possibilities.


Yes, I am indeed familiar with Moore's Law and am comfortable that my 
present configuration (and any additional SDR capabilities I might 
desire in the immediate future) will be accommodated by currently 
achievable technology. Of course, I hope Bob, Frank, and the other 
primary developers prove otherwise.


Pete, N3EVL

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Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs

[Brian Lloyd]

On Apr 24, 2009, at 7:18 AM, n3evl wrote:


Woodrick, Ed wrote:
Now, if you had a regular radio, would you install a toaster in it?  
What about using it as a remote control. Hopefully your answer is  
no. So why do you make your SDR controller a Word Processor? A game  
machine? A movie viewer?



I understand what you're getting at but, when it comes down to it,  
this _isn't_ a regular radio!  I fully expect the PC component of my  
radio to be many other things as well.


Certainly. But what constitutes your "computer" may well change. More  
below.


Yes, I am careful about what I allow on there but I have yet to be  
persuaded that my _general purpose computer_ cannot remain exactly  
that, including running PowerSDR!


This requires a change in mindset as to how things work. Sun  
Microsystems has been saying it for years but it is true and correct,  
that, "The Network is the Computer." It makes much more sense to  
dedicate small computers to specific functions and then distribute  
many of them no the network so that no single system carries all the  
load. My home network currently has 9 or 10 machines scattered around  
performing different tasks. Each is fairly small and more than half  
have no rotating media (disk drives) because they are dedicated to  
some function. One computer is dedicated to being a file server for  
all the rest.


Personally, I am running a relatively small dedicated machine to power  
my F5K. Right now this machine runs about 70% utilization because it  
is running PSDR, VAC, com0com, ddutil, and fldigi. (I have stripped  
most of the functions out of Windows to make this run efficiently.) I  
expect this machine to get back a lot of capacity when we move to the  
next generation of flex software and the radio display moves across  
the network to my laptop, leaving just the DSP running on the  
dedicated F5K machine.


To date, after obtaining a suitably fast machine I have had zero  
problem running the radio and a variety of other applications and  
have no intention of stripping this PC down to be a glorified radio  
controller.


The proliferation of programs like cwskimmer are going to force you to  
distribute. It will be possible to for the radio to multicast the I/Q  
streams and to distribute the DSP so that you can effectively  
demodulate and decode all the digital traffic on all the bands. It  
*IS* going to happen but it isn't going to happen in a single machine.


As you say, performance is going to depend on a variety of  
individual choices of hardware, software, and configuration, and  
individual mileage will vary, but I do not accept it as a given that  
the PC cannot continue to perform as a general purpose device.


Are you familiar with Moore's Law? It says that gate density, and  
hence computing power, will double every two years. The amazing thing  
about Moore's Law is that it has held up so well for over 50 years.  
But we are seeing a shift in how that happens. In the past it was  
accomplished by increasing the processing power of individual  
processors by increasing gate density (more gates per unit of volume).  
But as individual gates approach molecular size, that approach falters  
as it becomes difficult to keep shrinking things. We have one more big  
step and that is to quantum mechanical gates but after that, it will  
be impossible to shrink the gate any further. At that point gate  
density will remain fixed.


So the chip manufacturers have been continuing to adhere to Moore's  
Law by moving to parallelism. The increase in performance is starting  
to come from multiple processor cores. Since closely-coupled  
processing using multiple cores is difficult, the power comes from the  
splitting up the functions along the lines of logical interfaces and  
loosely coupled processing. Once you do that it won't matter whether  
the other part of your task is done in box A or box B around the  
corner and across the network.


And then there is the final nail in coffin of the single central  
processor: distributed computing is going to be a lot cheaper.


So you really do need to start thinking along these lines. The guys  
working on the next generation of code recognize this and are working  
to distribute the functions. You might want to consider embracing this  
approach as, frankly, it is what is going to happen.


73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL



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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy

[Tim Ellison]

Good point.  Some digi mode programs are better than others at generating AF 
without the harmonics leaking through.  That is why I always use a TX filter 
that that matches the mode bandwidth + 20% for AFC shift for digital modes. 



-Tim

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian-wb6...@lloyd.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:00 PM
To: mnar...@comcast.net
Cc: Tim Ellison; FlexRadio
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy


On Apr 24, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Mike Naruta wrote:

>
> It's interesting using the PowerSDR panadapter to examine signals.   
> I'll often see a strong SSB station with lots of opposite sideband 
> only a little ways down in amplitude.  I first wondered if it was my 
> receiver until I looked around and found equally strong stations with 
> no opposite sideband.

It is not just limited to looking at other station's signals. Using the 
panadapter on TX I can see the aliasing of the signals from my digital mode 
program. Granted they are down better than 70dB but it bothers me that they are 
there at all. I have taken to changing the TX filter to filter them out and 
improve the quality of my own TX signal.

So pay attention to the panadapter on TX to analyze your own signal.

73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL


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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy

[Brian Lloyd]

On Apr 24, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Mike Naruta wrote:



It's interesting using the PowerSDR panadapter to examine signals.   
I'll often see a strong SSB station with lots of opposite sideband  
only a little ways down in amplitude.  I first wondered if it was my  
receiver until I looked around and found equally strong stations  
with no opposite sideband.


It is not just limited to looking at other station's signals. Using  
the panadapter on TX I can see the aliasing of the signals from my  
digital mode program. Granted they are down better than 70dB but it  
bothers me that they are there at all. I have taken to changing the TX  
filter to filter them out and improve the quality of my own TX signal.


So pay attention to the panadapter on TX to analyze your own signal.

73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL


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Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs

[Carl , WCØV]

I have been running the following with an SDR1000/FA66 for the last couple 
of years with very few issues and


Hewlett Packard Pavilion
AMD Athlon XP 3200+
2.19 GHz, 960 Mb ram

Win XP Media Center Home Edition
Usually run Outlook Express 6.0, Avast antivirus at the same time as 
PowerSDR


Ran the latency check program this past week and nothing over 350 microsecs.

Running FireFox will cause some dropouts but I know in advance that it's a 
dumb thing to do.


I keep trying to come up with excuses to upgrade the computer but it is 
still working quite well. Same a hundred times over for the SDR1000!


73, Carl WC0V

- Original Message - 
From: "n3evl" 
To: "Woodrick, Ed ;" ; "FlexRadio List" 


Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs



Woodrick, Ed wrote:
Now, if you had a regular radio, would you install a toaster in it? What 
about using it as a remote control. Hopefully your answer is no. So why 
do you make your SDR controller a Word Processor? A game machine? A movie 
viewer?



I understand what you're getting at but, when it comes down to it, this 
_isn't_ a regular radio!  I fully expect the PC component of my radio to 
be many other things as well.
Yes, I am careful about what I allow on there but I have yet to be 
persuaded that my _general purpose computer_ cannot remain exactly that, 
including running PowerSDR!  To date, after obtaining a suitably fast 
machine I have had zero problem running the radio and a variety of other 
applications and have no intention of stripping this PC down to be a 
glorified radio controller.
As you say, performance is going to depend on a variety of individual 
choices of hardware, software, and configuration, and individual 
mileage will vary, but I do not accept it as a given that the PC cannot 
continue to perform as a general purpose device.


73, Pete, N3EVL



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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m

[Dudley Hurry]

Tim and others,

Sounds like a great ideal,  I personally may have a difficult time 
making that regularly,  but I do monitor 14.329 during the day..  Remind 
me and I will make an announcement on the net Sunday. 


73,
Dudley

WA5QPZ



Tim Ellison wrote:

Just a short QST

There were several of us running FLEX-3000s last night on 40m (7.181) @ 0130 UTC that 
gathered a fairly large round table before propagation changed swiftly we all dropped 
into the noise.  It was really fun to listen to other FLEX-3000s and talking about the 
radio in general.  Particularly interesting is when you start using PowerSDR to record 
stations over the air and play back their audio.  Then other ops (usually non Flexers)  
start gathering like crazy.  Dale WA8SRA actually helped on guy, Don K4ENE,  identify and 
rectify a particularly loud noise on his signal.  Using the Panadapter, he was able to 
identify the interference as being  a really annoying 120 Hz peak.  Of all things, it was 
isolated to vibrational noise coming from his AMP being transmitted down the mic boom and 
into his PR-781 mic.  Now try that with a "firmware defined radio". I think we 
have defined a new branch of science; flextroscopy - characterizing over the air RF 
signals using an FlexRadio SDR  HI HI.

If there is some interest in making an informal gathering on 40m, we can try to 
do this several times a week.


-Tim
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Re: [Flexradio] Looking for IQ Wave File samples to play in PowerSDR

[Carl , WCØV]

Also check out the files on this site. Also shows some early work with 
PowerSDR

and alternate console looks.

http://www.cqdx.it/sdr1000/sdr1000box.html

73, Carl WC0V

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry da Ponte" 

To: "flex radio" 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: [Flexradio] Looking for IQ Wave File samples to play in PowerSDR



I've downloaded and listened to the IQ wave files from the Flex web site -
I'd love to find more IQ samples, especially some that have digital modes
(PSK, RTTY, CW etc).

--

73's
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Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m - flextroscopy

[Mike Naruta]

It's interesting using the PowerSDR panadapter to examine 
signals.  I'll often see a strong SSB station with lots of 
opposite sideband only a little ways down in amplitude.  I first 
wondered if it was my receiver until I looked around and found 
equally strong stations with no opposite sideband.



Mike - AA8K



Tim Ellison wrote:

Just a short QST

There were several of us running FLEX-3000s last night on 40m (7.181) @ 0130 UTC that 
gathered a fairly large round table before propagation changed swiftly we all dropped 
into the noise.  It was really fun to listen to other FLEX-3000s and talking about the 
radio in general.  Particularly interesting is when you start using PowerSDR to record 
stations over the air and play back their audio.  Then other ops (usually non Flexers)  
start gathering like crazy.  Dale WA8SRA actually helped on guy, Don K4ENE,  identify and 
rectify a particularly loud noise on his signal.  Using the Panadapter, he was able to 
identify the interference as being  a really annoying 120 Hz peak.  Of all things, it was 
isolated to vibrational noise coming from his AMP being transmitted down the mic boom and 
into his PR-781 mic.  Now try that with a "firmware defined radio". I think we 
have defined a new branch of science; flextroscopy - characterizing over the air RF 
signals using an FlexRadio SDR  H

I HI.


If there is some interest in making an informal gathering on 40m, we can try to 
do this several times a week.


-Tim
-
W4TME



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Re: [Flexradio] Choice of PCs

[n3evl]

Woodrick, Ed wrote:

Now, if you had a regular radio, would you install a toaster in it? What about 
using it as a remote control. Hopefully your answer is no. So why do you make 
your SDR controller a Word Processor? A game machine? A movie viewer?

  
I understand what you're getting at but, when it comes down to it, this 
_isn't_ a regular radio!  I fully expect the PC component of my radio to 
be many other things as well. 

Yes, I am careful about what I allow on there but I have yet to be 
persuaded that my _general purpose computer_ cannot remain exactly that, 
including running PowerSDR!  To date, after obtaining a suitably fast 
machine I have had zero problem running the radio and a variety of other 
applications and have no intention of stripping this PC down to be a 
glorified radio controller. 

As you say, performance is going to depend on a variety of individual 
choices of hardware, software, and configuration, and individual 
mileage will vary, but I do not accept it as a given that the PC cannot 
continue to perform as a general purpose device.


73, Pete, N3EVL



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[Flexradio] MON on AM

[Joe Roth]

Why is the MONITOR function disabled in the AM & FM modes? It sure would be 
nice to have.
Joe 

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[Flexradio] FLEX-3000 QRV on 40m

[Tim Ellison]

Just a short QST

There were several of us running FLEX-3000s last night on 40m (7.181) @ 0130 
UTC that gathered a fairly large round table before propagation changed swiftly 
we all dropped into the noise.  It was really fun to listen to other FLEX-3000s 
and talking about the radio in general.  Particularly interesting is when you 
start using PowerSDR to record stations over the air and play back their audio. 
 Then other ops (usually non Flexers)  start gathering like crazy.  Dale WA8SRA 
actually helped on guy, Don K4ENE,  identify and rectify a particularly loud 
noise on his signal.  Using the Panadapter, he was able to identify the 
interference as being  a really annoying 120 Hz peak.  Of all things, it was 
isolated to vibrational noise coming from his AMP being transmitted down the 
mic boom and into his PR-781 mic.  Now try that with a "firmware defined 
radio". I think we have defined a new branch of science; flextroscopy - 
characterizing over the air RF signals using an FlexRadio SDR  HI HI.

If there is some interest in making an informal gathering on 40m, we can try to 
do this several times a week.


-Tim
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Re: [Flexradio] [SPAM] Re: recording

[Tim Ellison]

Sounds like you found an un-documented feature :-)


-Tim

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From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Mike Vassiliadis
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:42 AM
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Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Flexradio] recording


 Actually it's a bug. Try hitting "A<>B" twice and you can hear the sound plays 
fine.Also if you press mox you can hear the sound normally and the bonus is 
that the next time you don't need to press anything, just press play. But it's 
only for one time, then again you need mox.

Mike
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:17:54 -0400
> From: n4z...@gmail.com
> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] recording
> 
> When I push the Rec button it seems to be recording...but when I press 
> the play button it plays back garbageany suggestions??
> N4zvn>Ed
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Re: [Flexradio] recording

[Mike Vassiliadis]

 Actually it's a bug. Try hitting "A<>B" twice and you can hear the sound plays 
fine.Also if you press mox you can hear the sound normally and the bonus is 
that the next time you don't need to press anything, just press play. But it's 
only for one time, then again you need mox.

Mike
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:17:54 -0400
> From: n4z...@gmail.com
> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] recording
> 
> When I push the Rec button it seems to be recording...but when I press the
> play button it plays back garbageany suggestions??
> N4zvn>Ed
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000A "Calibration"

[Dale Boresz]

You were very close Dave; it's: CTRL-SHIFT-P

73, Dale
WA8SRA


da...@denprop.co.za wrote:

ZS6AVM Wrote:

 


I don't remember how to get into the "Calibration" form for the
Flex-5000A

I seem to remember something like Ctrl P, or something like that, but
don't seem to be having any luck

Can someone provide the function keys to get into the "Form"

 


Keep on Flexin

 


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