RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Software patents in Europe
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:03:14 +0200, Fabien ILLIDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > Sorry for be a bit oftopic. > > The European Parlement will vote on software patents this 1st > september. > > As FlightGear is a "Libre" Software, I think it's NOT in our interest. > > If you feel concern, and want to help us, please sign the online > petition at http://petition.eurolinux.org/ (it's *very* quick) > > If you want some information before sign the petition, have a look on > : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/FightingSWPatents > http://brevets-logiciels.info/ > > There will be a strike this 27th : > http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug > > Thanks for you attention and your time, > Fabien ..ok, I think I fell off the wagon here, I agree stealing lollipops from 3 year old toddlers, Presidencies from Yanks and oil from Arabs and Norsemen is bad, but does that make Microsoft EUropean??? ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Curtis L. Olson writes: > Ok, if you start at Disney world, That's in Florida. I always remember it as Disney *LA*nd in LA. I think that your directions led to Mexico, and that you suggested we speak mainly Spanish in Canada. All the best, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Am Montag, 25. August 2003 20:43 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: > > > > > I thought the LZW patent had expired? > > > > > > At least not in Europe. You'll have to wait until 2004. > > > > .."Europe"??? Where is that?. ;-) > > > > ..for our US website, we're ok: > > USA Where is that? >:-o West of Cape Cod < and Maine :-) > Cheers norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Am Montag, 25. August 2003 20:43 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: > > > > > I thought the LZW patent had expired? > > > > > > At least not in Europe. You'll have to wait until 2004. > > > > .."Europe"??? Where is that?. ;-) > > > > ..for our US website, we're ok: > > USA Where is that? >:-o Ok, if you start at Disney world, go straight through Las Vegas and hang a left at the grand canyon. You can't miss it. If you start hearing a lot of spanish, you probably went right at the grand canyon. If you start hearing people say stuff like "Take off hoser, eh?" then roll up your windows and lock the doors and try to make it to the nearest moose lodge. You should have known you were getting into trouble when the only thing on the McDonald's menu was pasties. Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Am Montag, 25. August 2003 20:43 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: > > > I thought the LZW patent had expired? > > > > At least not in Europe. You'll have to wait until 2004. > > .."Europe"??? Where is that?. ;-) > > ..for our US website, we're ok: USA Where is that? >:-o Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Software patents in Europe
Fabien ILLIDE wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: Fabien ILLIDE wrote: There will be a strike this 27th : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug That's my birthday. I'll do even more noize for your birthday ! Have an happy one ! Thanks. Maybe this event will help you to give me a present that day ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS Base CVS
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > I think at some point (maybe sooner rather than later?) we need to do > > some tweaking to the aircraft directly layout so it is possible to: > > > > a) make everything related to a particular plane be contained in a > > single, dedicated directory tree. > > > > b) allow these "aircraft" to be grouped and arranged in various > > subdirectories (the system would do a recursive search for > > aircraft or something like that.) > > Or, alternatively, we could implement a simple package manager, > sort-of like apt, to manage dependencies. > That sounds like it'd work. Also if flightgear looked in an alternative location for non-base-package aircraft (e.g. addons/Aircraft) that would help. I would prefer to have the CVS image intact with the addons in another tree. Is that what you meant in "b" Curt? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Software patents in Europe
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: Fabien ILLIDE wrote: There will be a strike this 27th : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug That's my birthday. I'll do even more noize for your birthday ! Have an happy one ! Shoot, I'll be busy patenting FlightGear that day so I won't be able to make either party. :-( Don't patent FlightGear ! Patent "A software that simulate the environment and use of a mechanical thing" instead ! (j/k of course!) Pfffiou ! I'll sleep beter this night :o) Bye, Fabien -- Les brevets de logiciels : une menace extrêmement grave pèse sur l'industrie européenne du logiciel ! voici un wiki dédié à ce problème : http://brevets-logiciels.info ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Software patents in Europe
Erik Hofman writes: > Fabien ILLIDE wrote: > > > There will be a strike this 27th : > > http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug > > That's my birthday. Shoot, I'll be busy patenting FlightGear that day so I won't be able to make either party. :-( (j/k of course!) Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Software patents in Europe
Fabien ILLIDE wrote: There will be a strike this 27th : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug That's my birthday. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Software patents in Europe
Hi, Sorry for be a bit oftopic. The European Parlement will vote on software patents this 1st september. As FlightGear is a "Libre" Software, I think it's NOT in our interest. If you feel concern, and want to help us, please sign the online petition at http://petition.eurolinux.org/ (it's *very* quick) If you want some information before sign the petition, have a look on : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/FightingSWPatents http://brevets-logiciels.info/ There will be a strike this 27th : http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/BigDemo27aug Thanks for you attention and your time, Fabien -- Les brevets de logiciels : une menace extrêmement grave pèse sur l'industrie européenne du logiciel ! voici un wiki dédié à ce problème : http://brevets-logiciels.info ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] J-22 completed
Matevz Jekovec wrote: Ok, I made my first public version of J-22 (some minor issues though, but nothing show-stopping). Can someone please put it to CVS. Committed. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
- We would move each of the -set.xml to also live in the individual aircraft tree. - Then to install an aircraft you need to drop the aircraft's directory somewhere inside the top level Aircraft directory. We could have abitrary subdirectories to organize by aircraft type or livery or era or whatever we felt like. That's ok. So FlightGear should read all the subdirectories from /Aircraft on and find every -set.xml file in a directory or an archive? If that is so, that's a great idea, but I'm only conserned about the speed of the process (if we have 1000 aircrafts, 900 vehicles and 200 ships some day I would prefer a config file describing the packages, but that's not a big deal) Also, if two units are sharing the same name, one in archive and one in a directory, one in the directory should have priority unless --aircraft=.tgz is given. The only thing I'm proposing is, how far are we going to seperate these -set.xml files for aircraft variants. I've had something like this in my mind for an F-16 aircraft: When we'll have F-16 A, B, C and D variants available, including block 30/32, 40/48 and 50/52 for each one, we should have *seperated* -set.xml file for every one, right? (the electronics, engines, some minor aerodynamic fixes... actually, completely different aircrafts). It complicates when we'll have multiple skins some day for the aircrafts: e.g. standard gray, green-brown cammo and arctic skin for F-16 C block 50/52. Now I don't think we should seperate the set file for this f16 aircraft for every skin, but should only include all the textures in Models directory and mention them in the model wrapper file. I'll think about it some more and will post a seperated message conserning the skins, skinspacks and even new model type maybe... My 2 EUR! :)). - Matevz ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] J-22 completed
Ok, I made my first public version of J-22 (some minor issues though, but nothing show-stopping). Can someone please put it to CVS. A screenshot: http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22.jpg J-22 set, yasim fdm, hud, model + textures, model wrapper: http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22.tar.gz - Matevz ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] *gear.org mail server
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:14:11 -0500, "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was forced to do a bit of mail server reconfig this morning that > could have resulted in lost messages for about an hour or two. If you ..mentioning outage start and end time might be useful here. > sent something important to the lists (or to me) and haven't seen > anything in a reasonable amount of time, please feel free to resend. > > Curt. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:51:50 +0200, Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jon Stockill wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Erik Hofman wrote: > > > > > >>Regarding ZIP files, is it legal to use the compression algorithm > >>without any limitations at the moment (for example GIF has a similar > >>issue). > > > > I thought the LZW patent had expired? > > > > At least not in Europe. You'll have to wait until 2004. .."Europe"??? Where is that?. ;-) ..for our US website, we're ok: The U.S. LZW patent expires June 20, 2003, the counterpart Canadian patent expires July 7, 2004, the counterpart patents in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy expire June 18, 2004, and the Japanese counterpart patents expire June 20, 2004. ..http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/lzw/lzw__license__english.htm http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,558,302.WKU.&OS=PN/4,558,302&RS=PN/4,558,302 ..but why bother, we have png: http://hackles.org/etc/png.html -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Curtis L. Olson wrote: - I'd like to see each aircraft be completely self contained in it's own subdirectory (except for "standard" base package stuff it could feel free to reference.) These standard pieces wouldn't necessarily need to live in the Aircraft subdirectory too. - We would eliminate the YAsim fdm config directory. Instead the fdm config would live in the individual aircraft trees. - We would move each of the -set.xml to also live in the individual aircraft tree. - Then to install an aircraft you need to drop the aircraft's directory somewhere inside the top level Aircraft directory. We could have abitrary subdirectories to organize by aircraft type or livery or era or whatever we felt like. - To completely remove all pieces of a particular aircraft, you just remove that aircraft directory. Is that the same thing as you were saying? Yes. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, David Megginson wrote: > Jon Stockill writes: > > > Done. http://flightgear.stockill.org/scenery/ > > DNS lookup is failing on flightgear.stockill.org. Ever get the feeling you have too many domains? :-) http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/ should work. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Erik Hofman writes: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > > If nothing else we should first work on being able to have completely > > self contained aircraft trees (rather than needing a -set.xml file in > > one directory (possibly the aircraft fdm config in another direcotry) > > and everything else in a separate area.) > > The directory layout I've always envisioned was: > > Aircraft/ > /JSBSim > /YASim > /UIUC > /Sound > /Models > /Panel > /HUD > > But so far we didn't come to the conclusion this was actually needed. I had a bit different idea ... well looking more closely it may not be that different, but I don't know if I'm correctly interpreting the above structure. - I'd like to see each aircraft be completely self contained in it's own subdirectory (except for "standard" base package stuff it could feel free to reference.) These standard pieces wouldn't necessarily need to live in the Aircraft subdirectory too. - We would eliminate the YAsim fdm config directory. Instead the fdm config would live in the individual aircraft trees. - We would move each of the -set.xml to also live in the individual aircraft tree. - Then to install an aircraft you need to drop the aircraft's directory somewhere inside the top level Aircraft directory. We could have abitrary subdirectories to organize by aircraft type or livery or era or whatever we felt like. - To completely remove all pieces of a particular aircraft, you just remove that aircraft directory. Is that the same thing as you were saying? Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
Jon Stockill wrote: The only thing I've noticed as being a bit odd recently is that the compass on the top of the 2d panel has vanished behind the 3d model. I can't recall exactly when this happened though. This happened after I disabled the depth buffer *writes* (not check) for the 2D panel to get rid of the z-buffer fighting artifacts. I also noticed that (but too late). I think this is because the compass is located outside the panel area. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Curtis L. Olson wrote: If nothing else we should first work on being able to have completely self contained aircraft trees (rather than needing a -set.xml file in one directory (possibly the aircraft fdm config in another direcotry) and everything else in a separate area.) The directory layout I've always envisioned was: Aircraft/ /JSBSim /YASim /UIUC /Sound /Models /Panel /HUD But so far we didn't come to the conclusion this was actually needed. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
Jon Stockill writes: > Done. http://flightgear.stockill.org/scenery/ DNS lookup is failing on flightgear.stockill.org. All the best, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: First Solo
Alex Perry wrote: > Congratulations. What are you training in ? Thanks! Mostly 152's but I've done a couple hours in a 150 too. > From: David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For me, the first solo cross-country was the best part of training. > > First solo was an important moment, of course, but it wasn't until > > I left the familiar airspace behind and started actually flying to a > > different city that I felt like a pilot. > > Yep; meeting new pilots, and (once) having to hold short of the runway > for a harrier jump jet that was doing touch-n-goes in the pattern ... Wow! Cheers, Matt. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Norman Vine wrote: > Did you use the TerraFit.py script ? No, I just followed David's tutorial on the terragear site. > Did you experiment with increasing the number of nodes > and/or improving the default 'fit' < maxerror > ?? Not yet. I'm just pleased I managed to get it built at the moment :-) I'll be experimenting with more options later. > This can lead to larger scenery files but if your machine can > handle it the scenery can be made *much* nicer :-) The CPU probably can - I dunno how my graphics card will take to all the extra triangles though. > Also note with a *wee bit* of hacking you can preload > elevation points into the new 'fitting scheme' if you have > highres data or some apriori knowledge < like where river > banks are > I am glad to help develop this with those interested > but the discussion should take place over on the TerraGear List OK - It's been rather quiet on there recently - this may get things going. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Erik Hofman writes: > James Turner wrote: > > > Oh, I just did some browsing of the SSG loaders they're full of > > fopen / fseek calls. Damn. Much work to be done there, I think. > > Yep, although the AC3D load doesn't use seek. I was thinking of moving > the SGI texture loader and AC3D model loader over to SimGear and declare > that the official standard which is supported by a .tar.gz package loader. This is dangerous though ... - it will be hard to track plib changes (or easy to miss plib changes.) - sometimes the loaders are dependent on the internals of a particular development version of plib, so we might end up with our code only being able to build against a really specific version of plib. > If time pases by we might decide to add another loader, but this will > allow us to start somewhere. I'm not excited at all about the idea of moving plib code into simgear. :-( I don't think the end result is worth all that trouble. If nothing else we should first work on being able to have completely self contained aircraft trees (rather than needing a -set.xml file in one directory (possibly the aircraft fdm config in another direcotry) and everything else in a separate area.) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
James Turner wrote: Oh, I just did some browsing of the SSG loaders they're full of fopen / fseek calls. Damn. Much work to be done there, I think. Yep, although the AC3D load doesn't use seek. I was thinking of moving the SGI texture loader and AC3D model loader over to SimGear and declare that the official standard which is supported by a .tar.gz package loader. If time pases by we might decide to add another loader, but this will allow us to start somewhere. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, David Megginson wrote: > Excellent. Would you be able to post some before and after > screenshots? Done. http://flightgear.stockill.org/scenery/ There's not *huge* differences (except where there's problems), and static images don't really show it off, but it does feel far less flat than it did. > On a separate note, are you using the latest CVS of TerraGear? I > tried it last week, and the generated scenery completely screwed up > FlightGear's geometry (even the 3D cockpit looked funny). The only thing I've noticed as being a bit odd recently is that the compass on the top of the 2d panel has vanished behind the 3d model. I can't recall exactly when this happened though. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Mally wrote: Thanks. It looks as if they're not exactly ditching Outlook Express, just not doing any further development. I can't see users switching en masse to a paid version of Outlook as MS appear to hope. It's more likely that they'll switch to alternative (non-MS) email clients, which I'm sure many of you will reckon is no bad thing! It turns out Microsoft has already changed their mind about it ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: First Solo
David Megginson wrote: > I'm curious -- your airport is a very short grass strip, but it has a > control tower? Yes, but is still a Radio only airfield with no ATC. The tower is a small affair that I'm sure isn't capable of observing the entire circuit since it's 800ft AAL and downwind extends behind all manner of buildings - I'll ask to have a look in the tower next time I'm there to confirm this. It's manned occasionally during busy periods and when there are lots of students and non-radio microlights etc in the circuit and although they shouldn't, the tower does occasionally tell pilots to hold outside the circuit or expedite departures etc. for safety's sake. > It sounds like you did fine. Were there any post-solo rituals? Not really. I offered to buy people beer (I had to buy lots of beer when I did my first freefall 8 years ago!) but they were all working and settled for Orange juice instead. One cool thing did happen: as I was discussing the flight and future stuff with my instructor the Red Arrows passed in formation about just north of the ATZ and turned on white smoke until they cleared the area. I see them quite a lot as we aren't that far from their base at RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire. Superb! > If you have my luck, you'll have nothing but clear weather when you > decide to start instrument training. I'm planning on doing the IMC and Night ratings at some point. I'll never do a full IFR - the price to get and keep one here is astronomical. > For me, the first solo cross-country was the best part of training. > First solo was an important moment, of course, but it wasn't until > I left the familiar airspace behind and started actually flying to a > different city that I felt like a pilot. I'm sure I'll be the same. Since I'm used to very laid back procedures with movements and radio I'm going to intentionally do some cross countries well into and past the busy airspace around London once I'm confident with shorter local flights. My club is very supportive and has an active 'hard core' of home builders which I may also get involved with (two guys just flew from Netherthorpe to Oshkosh and back in a KIS!). Cheers, Matt. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] *gear.org mail server
I was forced to do a bit of mail server reconfig this morning that could have resulted in lost messages for about an hour or two. If you sent something important to the lists (or to me) and haven't seen anything in a reasonable amount of time, please feel free to resend. Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
James Turner wrote: On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:57 am, Erik Hofman wrote: As a unix user the first thing that comes to my mind is off course tar and gzip (or maybe bzip2). I am aware of the limitations of the tar format, but the scan once for a TOC method seemed fast enough for me. For very large archives, I contend this is not the case, and FG's startup performance is already, uh, poor. Pulling a 100Mb or 200Mb archive off the disk and through memory is going to hit any machine hard. Not necessary, it is mainly the number of files that causes the slowdown. You can jump from one info block to another without actually reading any date in between them (there is a pointer in the current info block that points to the next). SO it's not that bad. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Good question I would have the one that shiped with 9.2. If there are updates in the CVS since then I would not have them. Anyway we will see how the F50 turns out. With the F50 the gear does retract into the engine nacelle??.If it does the wheels are to wide as they stick out both sides when retracted.Would either have to increase the size of the nacelle or decrease the wheel size. Cheers Innis Erik Hofman writes >This makes me wonder, you do have the latest version of the animation file don't you? I had an animation file included once (just like the Fokker 50) that wasn't called from the fokker100-jsbsim-set.xml file which had all the names correct but not the locations. Erik _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Mally wrote: Oh lord. And they are going to ditch Outlook Express in favor of Outlook. Will they ever learn? I wasn't aware of that. Is there an announcement somewhere? Mally A month ago or so MS announced that he will drop the development of IE branch. New versions will only be available in combination with new system/service pack. Seperate program upgrade is "too risky" in their opinion as it is built in the system and becomes a part of it. The same announcement MS expressed few weeks ago, telling that he will drop Outlook Express for the same reasons. BUT, not only that, Billy also said that there will *probably* be no Outlook Express by default in any new system. So, the user will be forced to use MS Office and normal Outlook in the future. Heh, I'm lucky I got rid of the Microsh*t system quite a while ago. (in other words, *nix rules! ;)). - Matevz ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 02:44 pm, Erik Hofman wrote: Not necessary, it is mainly the number of files that causes the slowdown. You can jump from one info block to another without actually reading any date in between them (there is a pointer in the current info block that points to the next). SO it's not that bad. That's true. I don't suppose you'd like to code up an SGArchive class that does this, then? Obviously it won't be much use until PLIB is modified to support virtualizing disk operations, but i'd be curious to see how a 'base.tar.gz' performed at startup compared to the unpacked files... Alas, I wasn't able to find any open-source projects that have already written a single-source-file, decode only tar impl ... which is annoying. Oh, I just did some browsing of the SSG loaders they're full of fopen / fseek calls. Damn. Much work to be done there, I think. James -- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Thanks. It looks as if they're not exactly ditching Outlook Express, just not doing any further development. I can't see users switching en masse to a paid version of Outlook as MS appear to hope. It's more likely that they'll switch to alternative (non-MS) email clients, which I'm sure many of you will reckon is no bad thing! Mally - Original Message - From: "Erik Hofman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FlightGear developers discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mally wrote: > >>Oh lord. And they are going to ditch Outlook Express in favor of > >>Outlook. Will they ever learn? > > > > > > I wasn't aware of that. Is there an announcement somewhere? > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/13/238245&mode=thread&tid=109&tid=113&tid=126&tid=187&tid=95 > > Erik > > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Innis Cunningham wrote: Good question I would have the one that shiped with 9.2. If there are updates in the CVS since then I would not have them. Anyway we will see how the F50 turns out. With the F50 the gear does retract into the engine nacelle??.If it does the wheels are to wide as they stick out both sides when retracted.Would either have to increase the size of the nacelle or decrease the wheel size. Yes, the main gear retracts backwards into the nacelle (the turbine is in the front part of the nacelle). But the upper part of the strut also moves forward. If it doesn't fit I'll update the .ac file to make it work. I suspect the tires are a bit too large right now. http://www.stp-norway.com/STP/Flybilder/F50/02%20570_164_07%20NAS%20F50%20KKA%20INNF.jpg Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] J-22 completed
Ok, I made my first public version of J-22 (some minor issues though, but nothing show-stopping). Can someone please put it to CVS. A screenshot: http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22.jpg J-22 set, yasim fdm, hud, model + textures, model wrapper: http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22.tar.gz - Matevz ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
Jon Stockill wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Erik Hofman wrote: Regarding ZIP files, is it legal to use the compression algorithm without any limitations at the moment (for example GIF has a similar issue). I thought the LZW patent had expired? At least not in Europe. You'll have to wait until 2004. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Jim > The options shouldn't be there. The whole idea of a mime-type (or file > extension type) support in an email attachment, that comes to the user from > outside, containing executable code or script that has full access to the > system, which is either either launched automatically or clicked by the user, > is, in a word, _ridiculous_. Microsoft has been backpedaling on this for > years now, trying to fix the problem by various means. You're right about Microsoft backpedalling. After years of trying to make Outlook Express into a "richer environment" for the user by burdening it with all sorts of dangerous technologies, they've now made it so that all this can be completely disabled with just a few simple clicks in the Options dialogs. That's quite a climb-down. What else do you want? I've already said what I want - Microsoft to publicise the "safe" options, change the default installation options so that they are intrinsically safe, and possibly release a reconfiguration tool to automatically make existing set ups safe. Oh, and to add this functionality into Outlook 2003 if it's not already there. It would be nice to think that everyone in the world would switch to an alternative email client, but how realistic is that? Far better to work with what's out there, particularly as OE6 already has the capabilities to switch off the ridiculous behaviour you've described. Mally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fog dissappear question
Erik Hofman wrote: > > I also noticed a major loss in framerate in comparison to 14 days old > > build! Is this the golden gate bridge and some other cookies in San > > Francisco or does this have to do something with this nVidia fix? (I'm > > talking about the decrease from 15 to 13 fps) > > It's hard to say. There was some increment in textures added but also a > huge decrease in polygons that should be drawn. > > What does sometimes happen to me is that framerate slowly drops (after > developing a lot) but after doing a clean remake it increases again. > This is probably due to no effective optimizations. If you fly away from SF downtown, you shouldn't be affected by the new 'goodies'. Is a 2fps variation significant enough to draw conclusions ? -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Mally writes: > I'm very sorry to hear about your plague of false virus warnings. I > get a few of these myself, but nothing on the scale you're > seeing. The possibility/probability that it will force you to drop > megginson.com is very unwelcome news. Thanks. Fortunately, it's just the [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail address. My current ISP (unlike a couple of others I tried) is very understanding, and is simply blocking [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the SMTP server so that I can use the rest of my domain. > I don't know if you intentionally said "Outlook" rather than > "Outlook Express", but since a year ago or more, Outlook Express > has been capable of being set up to be a completely secure email > client, sending AND receiving in plain text only. The problem is > that Microsoft, having finally come to their senses in providing > this functionality, have failed to tell anyone about it or change > the default configuration to a safe configuration. That's interesting information -- the next time I talk to someone forced to use MS products, I'll pass the information on. All the best, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:57 am, Erik Hofman wrote: As a unix user the first thing that comes to my mind is off course tar and gzip (or maybe bzip2). I am aware of the limitations of the tar format, but the scan once for a TOC method seemed fast enough for me. For very large archives, I contend this is not the case, and FG's startup performance is already, uh, poor. Pulling a 100Mb or 200Mb archive off the disk and through memory is going to hit any machine hard. Regarding ZIP files, is it legal to use the compression algorithm without any limitations at the moment (for example GIF has a similar issue). ZIP can use a range of compression schemes (including BZIP2!), and only one of them (compress) is covered by the LZW patent, which in any case expired in the US at the end of June. (and in europe / japan early next year) I suspect that encoders deliberately avoid this scheme, or don't support it, to avoid the issue. Notably, the CrystalSpace code only appears to support the common deflate / implode methods, but since I personally have used various 'random' ZIPs with crystal space, I assume these are the widely used methods. Presumably, this also means the code could be extended to support the BZip2 format, by linking with libbzip2 (which is widely deployed on Linux, at least), and we'd get much smaller zip archives. I've no idea what spectrum of Zip readers, eg Nautilus, Konqueror, or WinZip or WinXP's builtin ZIP-as-a-folder mode, support that encoding. H&H James -- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: First Solo.
Jim Wilson writes: > > I did my first solo this evening after almost 13hrs. > That's a nice one. Got to hand it to him, at least he stuck with > it until you were ready! It sounds like you didn't expect it, at > that particular moment. I wonder if that is typical in flight > training, or do you usually get told, "next time you will solo". I'd like to mention a couple of points: 1. pilots are not supposed to compare how long it took to get to first solo: it's no more an indicator of how well you'll do later than the speed with which you were potty trained; 2. #1 not withstanding, 13 hours to first solo is well under average. All the best, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Erik Hofman wrote: > Regarding ZIP files, is it legal to use the compression algorithm > without any limitations at the moment (for example GIF has a similar issue). I thought the LZW patent had expired? -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Jon Berndt writes: > Yeah, it's pretty bad. Microsoft ought to be completely > embarrassed. For those of you whose ISPs provide a filtering > service I'd advise taking it. I pay about $2 a month for this > service and it has caught ALL of the virii headed for my Inbox. I regularly filter both at my ISP and on my home computer. Unfortunately, once the volume gets that high, the ISP's whole system starts suffering. Note that the actual virus email (exe/bat/pif/scr attachments) is a small minority of the problem -- most of the mail is virus warnings or bounces from messages that infected computers sent, with my return address attached. > David: Is there a way you can simply disable the address for a week > or so until this clears up? That's what's happened, but I'm afraid that it's not going to clear up. I was getting hundreds (and sometimes over a thousand) such messages every day before the current outbreak. I see no way that things are going to slow down now -- the forged messages from me will keep finding their way to new Outlook installations. I will keep hoping, though. Thanks, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Mally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Anyone using Outlook Express should ensure that they are using the latest > version, Outlook Express 6, and that they have the appropriate options set in > the Security, Send and Receive tabs of the Tools, Options... dialog. > > Outlook (a different program), remains insecure as far as I know - I no longer > need to use it for work, so I am out of touch with it's current status. > The options shouldn't be there. The whole idea of a mime-type (or file extension type) support in an email attachment, that comes to the user from outside, containing executable code or script that has full access to the system, which is either either launched automatically or clicked by the user, is, in a word, _ridiculous_. Microsoft has been backpedaling on this for years now, trying to fix the problem by various means. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Outlook is actually a more capable version of Outlook Express (thus the name "Express"). I use Outlook. I haven't had any problems with it. I just don't open the wrong kinds of attachments. Problem solved. Also, I use the filtering service my ISP makes available. Jon > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mally > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:03 AM > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Oh lord. And they are going to ditch Outlook Express in favor of > > Outlook. Will they ever learn? > > I wasn't aware of that. Is there an announcement somewhere? > > Mally > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Small patch against compile error
Back from holidays, back to FlightGear 'quality control' :-) To prevent the following error I'd suggest the attached small patch: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/FlightGear/src/Main' if g++ -march=pentiumpro -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src/Include -I../.. -I../../src -I/opt/gnu/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/FlightGear/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DPKGLIBDIR=\"/usr/local/FlightGear/lib/FlightGear\" -O3 -g -D_REENTRANT -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/main.Tpo" \ -c -o main.o `test -f 'main.cxx' || echo './'`main.cxx; \ then mv ".deps/main.Tpo" ".deps/main.Po"; \ else rm -f ".deps/main.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi main.cxx: In function `bool fgMainInit(int, char**)': main.cxx:1621: error: `netInit' undeclared (first use this function) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- CVS/FlightGear/FlightGear/src/Main/main.cxx 2003-08-25 09:27:40.0 +0200 +++ /usr/local/src/FlightGear/src/Main/main.cxx 2003-08-25 13:32:57.0 +0200 @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@ #include #include +#include #include #include ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Lee Elliott wrote: > That's great - me want - is it available from anywhere? There's a few issues to work out. Once I have a build which appears complete I'll pack it all up for you. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, David Megginson wrote: > Excellent. Would you be able to post some before and after > screenshots? I'll see if I can find some nice comparisons. > On a separate note, are you using the latest CVS of TerraGear? I > tried it last week, and the generated scenery completely screwed up > FlightGear's geometry (even the 3D cockpit looked funny). Yes, it was checked out last week. I've noticed a few slightly odd bits around airports, where the terrain seems to form a bank around the flat airport area, but this doesn't seem to happen everywhere. Another problem I had was that some tiles didn't generate, which left large squares of sea in the middle of the scenery. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fog dissappear question
Matevz Jekovec wrote: Using the latest CVS, I didn't encounter any fog dissappearences when turning to the sun. Has this been fixed now? Yes, there is a fix in CVS which fixes it. But it's not ideal. I also noticed a major loss in framerate in comparison to 14 days old build! Is this the golden gate bridge and some other cookies in San Francisco or does this have to do something with this nVidia fix? (I'm talking about the decrease from 15 to 13 fps) It's hard to say. There was some increment in textures added but also a huge decrease in polygons that should be drawn. What does sometimes happen to me is that framerate slowly drops (after developing a lot) but after doing a clean remake it increases again. This is probably due to no effective optimizations. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
James Turner wrote: I did a bit of background research on the packaging / bundling issue, partly for my own curiosity, and in the vague hope of helping someone who wants to take a crack at this.. This is a nice summing of the possibilities. As a unix user the first thing that comes to my mind is off course tar and gzip (or maybe bzip2). I am aware of the limitations of the tar format, but the scan once for a TOC method seemed fast enough for me. Regarding ZIP files, is it legal to use the compression algorithm without any limitations at the moment (for example GIF has a similar issue). Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Mally wrote: Oh lord. And they are going to ditch Outlook Express in favor of Outlook. Will they ever learn? I wasn't aware of that. Is there an announcement somewhere? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/13/238245&mode=thread&tid=109&tid=113&tid=126&tid=187&tid=95 Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fog dissappear question
Using the latest CVS, I didn't encounter any fog dissappearences when turning to the sun. Has this been fixed now? I also noticed a major loss in framerate in comparison to 14 days old build! Is this the golden gate bridge and some other cookies in San Francisco or does this have to do something with this nVidia fix? (I'm talking about the decrease from 15 to 13 fps) - Matevz ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
> Oh lord. And they are going to ditch Outlook Express in favor of > Outlook. Will they ever learn? I wasn't aware of that. Is there an announcement somewhere? Mally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Packaging data files
I did a bit of background research on the packaging / bundling issue, partly for my own curiosity, and in the vague hope of helping someone who wants to take a crack at this.. Essentially, anyone who's installed add-ons for MSFS (any version) knows what a pain it is, and uninstalling them is next to impossible. As people here have noted, the sane thing is to support (optionally!) reading files from a package. This is done by Fly! (.pod files), Doom, Quake, Mozilla, Crystal Space and indeed, Java. The preceding list of software was not selected at random :-) The last four all use .zip files (but renamed to pk3 in the case of Quake 3, and .jar in the case of Mozilla and Java) as the packaging format. Using a well known format makes many thing easier, as anyone who's found the limitations of Fly!'s POD editor will agree. Now, I wondered why no one has used tar.gz, rather than .zip so I went and read the file format specs for .tar, and for .zip. Essentially, the tar format was designed around a write-once, stream orientated device (well, yeah, it's a Tape ARchvie). One of the things it's therefore lacking is a Table-of-Contents structure listing the archive contents. This makes accessing arbitrary individual files from the archives a bit of a pain; you either do a linear search each time, or build a TOC in memory (with offsets into the archive) at startup. This has issues of it's own, like further slowing down startup time :-) So, it seems like ZIP might actually be the way to go ... extracting a single (say) 2k texture from a 300MB archive is doable without reading the entire archive. The next issue is stealing some code Mozilla has a libjar, which is rather large (it also handles the 'MANIFEST' files which are part of the Java JAR spec, and which provide lots of useful meta-data about the file contents, like the classes it contains ... we could use meta-data, certainly, but I think it's be easier to define a trivial XML syntax than use the JAR one). However, CrystalSpace contains a single file, C++ implementation of a .ZIP reader, with a sane API. It's at: crystal/CS/libs/csutil/archive.cpp Obviously it would need a little adaption for FG, but it's pretty simple code (it even has comments), so if anyone is considering doing this, I'd strongly recommend it, rather than someone here having to grovel in the ZIP format manually, or to create a dependancy on some heavy-weight library. Anyway, hope this is of some use. James -- There is no such thing as a humble opinion. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Fred Have you had a look at the animations on the fokkers or just flowen them. The models I have the animations are all out of wack but if I interchange the Y and Z components of the statements they come closer to what they should look like. And if you have a look at the rudder statement it only contains rotation around the Z axis.I thought if the axis of the object was sloped then it required components on all three axes to work. If not I dont understand the system like I thought did. This makes me wonder, you do have the latest version of the animation file don't you? I had an animation file included once (just like the Fokker 50) that wasn't called from the fokker100-jsbsim-set.xml file which had all the names correct but not the locations. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
Mally wrote: David I'm very sorry to hear about your plague of false virus warnings. I get a few of these myself, but nothing on the scale you're seeing. The possibility/probability that it will force you to drop megginson.com is very unwelcome news. I don't know if you intentionally said "Outlook" rather than "Outlook Express", but since a year ago or more, Outlook Express has been capable of being set up to be a completely secure email client, sending AND receiving in plain text only. The problem is that Microsoft, having finally come to their senses in providing this functionality, have failed to tell anyone about it or change the default configuration to a safe configuration. Anyone using Outlook Express should ensure that they are using the latest version, Outlook Express 6, and that they have the appropriate options set in the Security, Send and Receive tabs of the Tools, Options... dialog. Outlook (a different program), remains insecure as far as I know - I no longer need to use it for work, so I am out of touch with it's current status. Oh lord. And they are going to ditch Outlook Express in favor of Outlook. Will they ever learn? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] For Eric the Fokker50 xml file
Innis Cunningham wrote: That would explain why the model kept crashing the sim with incorrect names for the animations. If you would like I can do the xml file for you.This way if the animations dont work correctly when you try them we can see what the problem is. It would be my pleasure to do them. If you would like to do that (as sort of an exercise), please go ahead. There are a number of other things which need to be done also so I guess it would take some time before I can get to it again. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
David I'm very sorry to hear about your plague of false virus warnings. I get a few of these myself, but nothing on the scale you're seeing. The possibility/probability that it will force you to drop megginson.com is very unwelcome news. I don't know if you intentionally said "Outlook" rather than "Outlook Express", but since a year ago or more, Outlook Express has been capable of being set up to be a completely secure email client, sending AND receiving in plain text only. The problem is that Microsoft, having finally come to their senses in providing this functionality, have failed to tell anyone about it or change the default configuration to a safe configuration. Anyone using Outlook Express should ensure that they are using the latest version, Outlook Express 6, and that they have the appropriate options set in the Security, Send and Receive tabs of the Tools, Options... dialog. Outlook (a different program), remains insecure as far as I know - I no longer need to use it for work, so I am out of touch with it's current status. Mally - Original Message - From: "David Megginson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FlightGear developers discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I think that my long-held [EMAIL PROTECTED] address will have to be > euthanised. It has been getting many tens of thousands of messages a > day, nearly all false bounces or (ironically) warnings from > virus-checking software, and even just the CPU load for the procmail > filtering for those messages (I can catch over 90% of them) is more > than any ISP is willing to take on. I'm able to keep > [EMAIL PROTECTED] alive, fortunately, but I'll have to pick a new > [EMAIL PROTECTED] address for myself. > > Thus I, who do not use Outlook or Windows, have ended up a victim of > that software. I've lost my well-known e-mail address (published in > books, magazine and newspaper articles, and Web sites) and have > possibly missed out on consulting work and other opportunities, not to > mention a week's lost time dealing with the problem. > > Note that the people who use virus-checking software are doing me as > much damage than the people without it, because of all the false virus > warning messages being sent to me automatically. As I explained to > someone recently, using Outlook to read e-mail is like licking public > toilets; using Outlook with a virus checker is like taking antibiotics > and then licking public toilets (it might work, but it's hardly > optimal). > > Please, people, if you have a choice, don't read e-mail with Outlook, > or at least, don't read the flightgear lists with that program. I > know that some of you are forced to use Outlook at work, but there's > no excuse for using it at home or school. Just say no: there are many > decent alternatives even for Windows, such as Eudora and Mozilla mail. > > > All the best, > > > David > > -- > David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] For Eric the Fokker50 xml file
That would explain why the model kept crashing the sim with incorrect names for the animations. If you would like I can do the xml file for you.This way if the animations dont work correctly when you try them we can see what the problem is. It would be my pleasure to do them. Cheers Innis Erik Hofman writes Innis Cunningham wrote: Here is the xml file I have for the Fokker50 Ah I see. This file isn't called from fokker-jsbsim-set.xml though, instead it calls fokker50.ac directly because the file is just a copy of what I had for the Fokker 100 at that moment. Erik _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Lee Elliott writes Hello Innis, It's important to remember that all animations are going to be relative to the model origin, which is almost certainly not the same as the fdm CoG, or what ever. The fdm will need to provide the appropriate outputs to drive the animation unless you animate on control input only. The axes of the animated objects, such as flaps, ailerons etc will be different between different a/c - consider the wings of the C-172, the 747 and the YF23 and, for example, the aileron axis - the differences in dihedral and especially sweep will mean that all of these a/c's control surfaces have different axes - the C-172's aileron axis is more or less at right angles to the fuselage, the 747's are angled back and the YF-23's are angled forwards. LeeE This is exactly right and I think I said something like this in a previous post although I might not have made myself plain. And all the dimensions I was refering to where with regard to the model origin not CoG What I am trying to say is that the axes must be the same on all models X axis front to back Y axis wingtip to wing tip and Z axis up and down if it is not you would have the ailerons rotating the A/C aroun the X axis on one model and around say the Y axis on another. Hope this makes sense. Cheers Innis _ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get larger attachments - send/receive up to 3MB attachments (up to three times more per e-mail). Click here http://join.msn.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Arnt Karlsen writes "Innis Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I dont understand how the X axis on one model could be the Y axis on > another model ..math trick. It certainly is when the left aileron is 10 metres away from the left wing it is supposed to be connected to.LOL Cheers Innis _ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get five times more storage - 10MB in your Hotmail account. Click here http://join.msn.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think that my long-held [EMAIL PROTECTED] address will have to be > euthanised. It has been getting many tens of thousands of messages a > day, nearly all false bounces or (ironically) warnings from > virus-checking software, and even just the CPU load for the procmail > filtering for those messages (I can catch over 90% of them) is more > than any ISP is willing to take on. I'm able to keep > [EMAIL PROTECTED] alive, fortunately, but I'll have to pick a new > [EMAIL PROTECTED] address for myself. > That's too bad. Any chance you can hold off for a few days? My guess is this current outbreak should pass soon. I'm getting about 100 times the normal rate of these in my mailbox in recent days. Microsoft is facing some serious problems now...and it is (IMO) totally based in the basic design, than lack of security issues training and development skills within their programming staff. Both IE5/6 and Outlook have really headed into some dangerous territory. It can't be fixed, so the best solution really is to get something else. Now that toilet licking analogy...is well...ummm...kind of interesting :-) Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: First Solo.
Matthew Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I did my first solo this evening after almost 13hrs. > Congratulations! > After a few touch and go's and practice forced landings he asked me to come > to a full stop and said "I'm fed-up of flying with you so I'm going to sit > in the tower for your last circuit." I wonder how many variations there are > on "it's time for you to go solo?!". > That's a nice one. Got to hand it to him, at least he stuck with it until you were ready! It sounds like you didn't expect it, at that particular moment. I wonder if that is typical in flight training, or do you usually get told, "next time you will solo". Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:06:35 -0400, David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Please, people, if you have a choice, don't read e-mail with Outlook, > or at least, don't read the flightgear lists with that program. I > know that some of you are forced to use Outlook at work, but there's > no excuse for using it at home or school. Just say no: there are many > decent alternatives even for Windows, such as Eudora and Mozilla mail. .._not_ me, _no_ way! The _Only_ Reasonable Way[Tm] to deal with Bill Gates and his vira, is inside a 20' welded shut freight container with a buffer pallet of baseball bats in each corner, a feeder band for replacements and an auger screw for tooth pick removal. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Born in the U.S.A.
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Tony Peden writes: > > > Is Arnold not a citizen? > > > > "No person except a natural born citizen, > > He is not a natural-born citizen. > > > or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of > > this Constitution, > > He was not a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution. Boy, I am sure glad we have a Canadian on this list to keep the Americans on the straight and narrow about their own constitution :-D Actually my wife straightened me out on this one last week as well. > > As far as I understand, a vice-president who was not born in the > U.S. would have to be passed over in the line of succession if the > president were incapacitated, since the statement refers to holding > the office rather than just being elected to it. So if Arnie were > V.P. and the president were incapacitated, the presidency would go to > the Speaker of the House. > This is really good news! Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] animation "timed" with just one object
Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Faked lights (simple objects with red emission) are relatively > dark. To enhance visibility from farther distances I make them > bigger than they would be in reality and use simple shapes such > as ugly cubes to keep the poly count low. The cubes, however, > must only be shown when they represent a turned on light in the > dark, while they shouldn't be shown at all otherwise. So, when > blinking, the whole cube should toggle between shown and hidden, > and not toggle between two shown objects. What is the best way > to do this? I'm using this animation now: > > > timed > flasher > none > 2.0 > > > Whereby "none" is a silly object below the surface. Is there > a better way to make an object "blink", that doesn't need a > dummy object? Maybe not. Have you tried experimenting with a short line object instead of a cube? The line will look similar to the scenery lights, without being big or ugly. You just need to make the distance between the two vertices far enough so the ac3d loader in plib doesn't optimize it out. To make the light brighter you might to cluster 3 of these together in an object (perpendicular like 3D axes) and increasing the length of the lines slightly. It still won't be particularly noticable in daylight (as the cube is). Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
> I think that my long-held [EMAIL PROTECTED] address will have to be > euthanised. It has been getting many tens of thousands of messages a Yeah, it's pretty bad. Microsoft ought to be completely embarrassed. For those of you whose ISPs provide a filtering service I'd advise taking it. I pay about $2 a month for this service and it has caught ALL of the virii headed for my Inbox. David: Is there a way you can simply disable the address for a week or so until this clears up? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Hello Innis, It's important to remember that all animations are going to be relative to the model origin, which is almost certainly not the same as the fdm CoG, or what ever. The fdm will need to provide the appropriate outputs to drive the animation unless you animate on control input only. The axes of the animated objects, such as flaps, ailerons etc will be different between different a/c - consider the wings of the C-172, the 747 and the YF23 and, for example, the aileron axis - the differences in dihedral and especially sweep will mean that all of these a/c's control surfaces have different axes - the C-172's aileron axis is more or less at right angles to the fuselage, the 747's are angled back and the YF-23's are angled forwards. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:44:40 +0800, "Innis Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I dont understand how the X axis on one model could be the Y axis on > another model ..math trick. Easy to visualize: Take 3 soda straws, in 3 different colors. At one end of the first straw, glue on the next straw at 90 degrees angle to the first straw. Then, onto the same glue joint, stick the 3'rd straw to point straight up into the air, at 90 degrees to _both_ the first 2 straws. ..after the glue sets, take it to the lower left corner of your keyboard and tell us how many different ways you can put it next to the lower left keyboard corner. ;-) Orientations. ..my understanding is the yasim fdm orientation is different because Andy wrote it to learn about the standard FlightGear fdm's oritentation, which again is different from OpenGL (and Plib too?). ..these code bits are chained together with orientation rotation matrices. Math trick. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] My J-22 yasim model
Hello guys. I've been playing with my flight model for a very long time now and I just don't think I am going to succeed. Could someone please look at the j22-yasim.xml file or the whole aircraft project and help me out a bit. http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22-yasim.xml http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22.tar.gz When I try to take-off, the aircraft gains speed and over some time, it hardly turns to the right and starts to slide away from the airfield. You do not have any control of the aircraft then. I think the right description would be that you feel like driving a rally and just rolling around :). I have double checked the properties and the coordinates are all right. The values I am aware off are also right, so I don't know what should be wrong. Thanks. - Matevz ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] [OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com
I think that my long-held [EMAIL PROTECTED] address will have to be euthanised. It has been getting many tens of thousands of messages a day, nearly all false bounces or (ironically) warnings from virus-checking software, and even just the CPU load for the procmail filtering for those messages (I can catch over 90% of them) is more than any ISP is willing to take on. I'm able to keep [EMAIL PROTECTED] alive, fortunately, but I'll have to pick a new [EMAIL PROTECTED] address for myself. Thus I, who do not use Outlook or Windows, have ended up a victim of that software. I've lost my well-known e-mail address (published in books, magazine and newspaper articles, and Web sites) and have possibly missed out on consulting work and other opportunities, not to mention a week's lost time dealing with the problem. Note that the people who use virus-checking software are doing me as much damage than the people without it, because of all the false virus warning messages being sent to me automatically. As I explained to someone recently, using Outlook to read e-mail is like licking public toilets; using Outlook with a virus checker is like taking antibiotics and then licking public toilets (it might work, but it's hardly optimal). Please, people, if you have a choice, don't read e-mail with Outlook, or at least, don't read the flightgear lists with that program. I know that some of you are forced to use Outlook at work, but there's no excuse for using it at home or school. Just say no: there are many decent alternatives even for Windows, such as Eudora and Mozilla mail. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
On Sunday 24 August 2003 13:10, Jon Stockill wrote: > I've built some UK scenery using the SRTM-30 data mentioned the other day, > and it does seem to have a bit more shape to it than the same areas built > with the previous GTOPO30 - things like river valleys actually have some > slope to their sides now, where previously they were VERY flat. > > It should do very nicely until something with a higher resolution is > available for the UK. > > -- > Jon Stockill > [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's great - me want - is it available from anywhere? LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] For Eric the Fokker50 xml file
Innis Cunningham wrote: Here is the xml file I have for the Fokker50 Ah I see. This file isn't called from fokker-jsbsim-set.xml though, instead it calls fokker50.ac directly because the file is just a copy of what I had for the Fokker 100 at that moment. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Fokker100 and the Coordinate System
Hi Fred Have you had a look at the animations on the fokkers or just flowen them. The models I have the animations are all out of wack but if I interchange the Y and Z components of the statements they come closer to what they should look like. And if you have a look at the rudder statement it only contains rotation around the Z axis.I thought if the axis of the object was sloped then it required components on all three axes to work. If not I dont understand the system like I thought did. Cheers Innis "Frederic Bouvier" writes Innis Cunningham wrote: > Hi All > I have had the Fokker100 & 50 on my system for awhile but last night I > wanted to have a look at some of the animations but to my supprise nothing > moved.So thinking it might be something in the conversion from Blender to > AC3D I loaded it into AC3D and resaved it still no animation. No problem with the Fokker 100 here, on WinXP. Do you have a FlightGear version in line with the base package ? I also don't see any problem with the Blender conversion, and the new 2.28a version is a lot more easy than the old 2.23 I was stick with in that matter. For example, texture repetition now works like a charm. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. No account expiration - no need to worry about losing your Hotmail account. Click here http://join.msn.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
Jon Stockill writes: > I've built some UK scenery using the SRTM-30 data mentioned the other day, > and it does seem to have a bit more shape to it than the same areas built > with the previous GTOPO30 - things like river valleys actually have some > slope to their sides now, where previously they were VERY flat. > > It should do very nicely until something with a higher resolution is > available for the UK. Excellent. Would you be able to post some before and after screenshots? On a separate note, are you using the latest CVS of TerraGear? I tried it last week, and the generated scenery completely screwed up FlightGear's geometry (even the 3D cockpit looked funny). All the best, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
> It should do very nicely until something with a higher resolution is > available for the UK. Any idea how Nanucq Faitmain is able to produce genuine high resolution MSFS mesh scenery for "England" (actually England, Scotland & Wales) based, he says, on DTED1 data? I understood that DTED1 data wasn't available for Europe other than for military use. Mally PS. You can find Nanucq Faitmain's mesh by searching for "Nanucq" in the avsim.com File Library. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 20/08/03 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM-30 scenery
Jon Stockill wrote: > I've built some UK scenery using the SRTM-30 data mentioned the other day, > and it does seem to have a bit more shape to it than the same areas built > with the previous GTOPO30 - things like river valleys actually have some > slope to their sides now, where previously they were VERY flat. > > It should do very nicely until something with a higher resolution is > available for the UK. Screenshots ? -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] My J-22 yasim model
Ok, I've managed to figure out things by myself. The problem was in HStab options (Chord). The aircraft is now mostly flyable, you just need to get used to. I'll prepare the package for the distribution in a few days. - Matevz Matevz Jekovec wrote: Hello guys. I've been playing with my flight model for a very long time now and I just don't think I am going to succeed. Could someone please look at the j22-yasim.xml file or the whole aircraft project and help me out a bit. http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22-yasim.xml http://www2.arnes.si/~mjekov/tmp/j22.tar.gz When I try to take-off, the aircraft gains speed and over some time, it hardly turns to the right and starts to slide away from the airfield. You do not have any control of the aircraft then. I think the right description would be that you feel like driving a rally and just rolling around . I have double checked the properties and the coordinates are all right. The values I am aware off are also right, so I don't know what should be wrong. Thanks. - Matevz <>___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
