Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Partly yes, but would be happier if it was OWC instead of DJGPP, so that I can produce 16-bit executables :(( I don't need to run 16-bit compilers, but would like those that produce 16-bit binaries. :)) Aitor 2011/1/13 Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com: read http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7programs/thread/64b42c08-dd90-424f-8dfc-adf8fc474351?prof=required DJGPP apps work under xp mode in windows 7 64-bit. if the djgpp apps run, then the compiler should also run as well. so yay! I can get a 64-bit box with lots of memory. to what were you referring, Aitor? Jim Michaels From: Aitor Santamaría aitor...@gmail.com To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 4:57:02 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Hello Eric, 2010/5/14 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Jim, I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7. machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7. I want XP. so I am up a creek without a paddle trying to do dos development and needing a newer intel machine with more cores (4 or 6). Does Windows 7 have the ability to run DOS apps? XP did. Windows7 x86 does. Windows7 x64 does not (but I guess the main reason is that a processor on x64 mode does emulate 32-bit but not 16-bit. The worst problem is that what happens to Jim may be happening to many others, as many hardware vendors include by default the x64 version (not the x86). In my experience, I have requested if they would replace the x64 version with the x86, and usually refuse to do it. Regards, Aitor -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Le 24 févr. 2011 à 06:30, Jim Michaels a écrit : I expect it to be able to do something to make dpmi work. but all dpmi fails under vbox. vbox said it supported dpmi, but it doesn't. I get failures from djgpp's runtime, and I even installed himem.exe in c:\config.sys Where did you read VBox supported DPMI ? There are very few reasons it would, given most people use it to run windows NT stuff only. C:\df Load error: No DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip C: http://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Avirtualbox.org+dpmi http://www.virtualbox.org/search?q=dpmiwiki=onchangeset=onticket=on Nearly no mention there. Just file a bug if DPMI implementations don't work in VBox, or even better send a patch. It's Free Software. François. -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Hi, On 2/22/11, Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com wrote: it's a whole distribution package, not just a piece of something. and it doesn't run my programs, because it has no DPMI. does anyone know if there is a VM that has DPMI? I need to do testing, like right now. thanks. I haven't tested VBox lately with FreeDOS, not sure what you mean here. You mean you expect it to have its own DPMI (like DOSEMU) or that no DPMI works due to emulation bugs?? Try using CWSDPMI or HDPMI32; if that doesn't work, turn off VT-X support for the FreeDOS guest (slower but more accurate). -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
I expect it to be able to do something to make dpmi work. but all dpmi fails under vbox. vbox said it supported dpmi, but it doesn't. I get failures from djgpp's runtime, and I even installed himem.exe in c:\config.sys C:\df Load error: No DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip C: From: Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com To: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 7:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Hi, On 2/22/11, Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com wrote: it's a whole distribution package, not just a piece of something. and it doesn't run my programs, because it has no DPMI. does anyone know if there is a VM that has DPMI? I need to do testing, like right now. thanks. I haven't tested VBox lately with FreeDOS, not sure what you mean here. You mean you expect it to have its own DPMI (like DOSEMU) or that no DPMI works due to emulation bugs?? Try using CWSDPMI or HDPMI32; if that doesn't work, turn off VT-X support for the FreeDOS guest (slower but more accurate). -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
[oops, sorry, should have replied to the list] it might just be a bit of bloatware. I included the virtual hard disk image (.vdi) and the .ova virtual machine, and I don't know if that's being redundant or not, because I don't even know if the virtual hard disk is necessary. I chose a 5GB hard disk image, and my DVD is about 1.something GB, compressed. I also included VirtualBox's executable and documentation, so you don't have to download it yourself. it's a whole distribution package, not just a piece of something. and it doesn't run my programs, because it has no DPMI. does anyone know if there is a VM that has DPMI? I need to do testing, like right now. thanks. From: dos386 dos...@gmail.com To: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 12:55:40 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 I just did. What ? http://JesusnJim.com/code/dos/fdos/fdoem-emulator.7z 2 GiB of bloat ??? -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
I just did. What ? http://JesusnJim.com/code/dos/fdos/fdoem-emulator.7z 2 GiB of bloat ??? -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Hi, On 2/13/11, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: There are several dialects of Pascals for DOS. And don't forget Modula-2, Modula-3, Oberon. Unfortunately, most are abandoned. But yeah, I agree, C is weird. Nevertheless, the FreeDOS kernel uses it. (VirtualBox probably uses C++, but I forget exactly.) True, but it does mean I can't really usefully contribute code to anything... Okay, honestly, who really expected you (or any of us) to contribute to VirtualBox? :-) No, I just wanted to mention that I'd (very briefly) dabbled in all of those recently for DOS. I mean, since you prefer Wirth over C, I thought you should know. Besides, his birthday is in two days (Feb. 15). ;-) My CPU - an Athlon64 X2 4600+, the last-ever Socket 939 CPU - does not support hardware virtualisation. My new Intel laptop doesn't have it either. Yes, indeed. It's a nuisance. Well, anyways, if it makes you (us?) feel any better, sometimes things only work with VT-X disabled. And some OSes won't boot on modern hardware anyways. I had troubles with various ones. So it's a pretty big crapshoot no matter how you look at it. At least a slow emulator works slowly, better than nothing at all. P.S. Darek of emulators.com did a lot of work over the past two or so years to speed up BOCHS. He seems to really know his stuff, so if you're interested, check his site. (He also wrote an 8-bit Atari emulator for DOS way back in the day, among others.) -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: 3). VirtualBox does have an OSE version, and I *think* gNewSense actually bothered to recompile it for Windows. It's not the latest version(s), only 2.2.0 and 3.0.4, but it should (mostly) work if you're worried about licenses (though it misses USB support, I think): http://sourceforge.net/projects/vboxwin32/files/vboxwin32/ My previous contributions on this subject were completely ignored by the OP who was actually asking the questions, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but anyway: VirtualBox OSE no longer exists as of VirtualBox 4. The whole product is now FOSS and the small proprietary components are bundled into extra Additions, such as USB2 support for guest OSs. As a result, all of VirtualBox 4 is free and Free. There is no need to muck about with 3rd party rebuilds of obsolete versions. The homepage is here: http://www.virtualbox.org/ The Windows version can be downloaded here: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads You can run DOS, Windows 3, Windows 9x, and Windows NT/2000/XP under VirtualBox on Win7. Personally, I run Windows 95, 98, NT3, NT4 and XP under 64-bit Ubuntu Linux. The only major PC OS I've found that /doesn't/ work is OS/2. However, this does work under VMware Player, which is freeware but proprietary. -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Le 12 févr. 2011 à 13:39, Liam Proven a écrit : VirtualBox OSE no longer exists as of VirtualBox 4. The whole product is now FOSS and the small proprietary components are bundled into extra Additions, such as USB2 support for guest OSs. As a result, all of VirtualBox 4 is free and Free. There is no need to muck about with 3rd party rebuilds of obsolete versions. Yep. The only major PC OS I've found that /doesn't/ work is OS/2. However, this does work under VMware Player, which is freeware but proprietary. You can always sent patches to VirtualBox, it's Free Software :D François. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:56 PM, François Revol re...@free.fr wrote: Le 12 févr. 2011 à 13:39, Liam Proven a écrit : The only major PC OS I've found that /doesn't/ work is OS/2. However, this does work under VMware Player, which is freeware but proprietary. You can always sent patches to VirtualBox, it's Free Software :D :¬) Well, I would, but I am not a programmer and don't know anything newer than a *very* basic knowledge of TurboPascal for MS-DOS 22y ago. I don't care for C or C-like languages and try to avoid them. I believe VirtualBox's software x86 emulation uses Ring 1 of the CPU to run Ring 0 code, which OS/2 does not permit. VMware, on the other hand, runs Ring 0 code through a software interpreter, which works. My CPU - an Athlon64 X2 4600+, the last-ever Socket 939 CPU - does not support hardware virtualisation. The problem that I have probably would not affect a newer CPU with Intel VT or AMD-V. -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Rugxulo wrote: Why is Windows XP Mode not available in Windows 7 Home Premium? Windows XP Mode is best suited for older business and productivity applications such as accounting, inventory, and similar applications. Windows XP Mode is not aimed at consumers because many consumer applications require extensive use of hardware interfaces, such as 3-D graphics, audio, and TV tuners, that do not work well under virtualization today. I'm running XP Mode's VHD in VMware Player 3.1.3 on Windows XP. ;-) Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Le 12 févr. 2011 à 22:09, Rugxulo a écrit : There are several dialects of Pascals for DOS. And don't forget Modula-2, Modula-3, Oberon. Unfortunately, most are abandoned. But yeah, I agree, C is weird. Nevertheless, the FreeDOS kernel uses it. (VirtualBox probably uses C++, but I forget exactly.) Yes they use C++ which rox (don't listen to linux freaks :p) I believe VirtualBox's software x86 emulation uses Ring 1 of the CPU to run Ring 0 code, which OS/2 does not permit. VMware, on the other hand, runs Ring 0 code through a software interpreter, which works. I also noticed in the past that eComStation 1.2 demo didn't run, but they don't even seem to offer than online anymore (esp. since 2.0 was finalized), so I can't test again. I think Wikipedia claims it's due to pervasive use of ring 2 by OS/2. You might want to check tickets about OS/2 though, maybe it works now... http://www.virtualbox.org/search?q=os%2F2wiki=onchangeset=onticket=on and the guest OSes list: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes It lists OS/2 as working under some conditions. François. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Okay, I read the archives online, (sorry for late reply, wasn't subscribed, hope this helps), here's what I know: 1). Yes, as mentioned XP Mode is for commercial Win7 users only (Pro, Enterprise, Ultimate). Yes, you can transparently share files (I think?) via RDP. It's just XP Pro SP3 inside Windows Virtual PC. It's double the space and RAM requirements, though, of normal Win7. It's a free (but optional) download for such users, not home users. (Sorry, I haven't tried it.) http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx Why is Windows XP Mode not available in Windows 7 Home Premium? Windows XP Mode is best suited for older business and productivity applications such as accounting, inventory, and similar applications. Windows XP Mode is not aimed at consumers because many consumer applications require extensive use of hardware interfaces, such as 3-D graphics, audio, and TV tuners, that do not work well under virtualization today. 2). QEMU is free/libre (GPL). Seems that 0.14 is due any day now. For older versions (prebuilt Win32 binaries, not only sources), try here: http://lassauge.free.fr/qemu/ http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/ 3). VirtualBox does have an OSE version, and I *think* gNewSense actually bothered to recompile it for Windows. It's not the latest version(s), only 2.2.0 and 3.0.4, but it should (mostly) work if you're worried about licenses (though it misses USB support, I think): http://sourceforge.net/projects/vboxwin32/files/vboxwin32/ -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Le 2 févr. 2011 à 05:22, dos386 a écrit : In some countries, at least France, it is illegal to force people to buy 2 things when they only want one. COOL :-) So you can acheter a PC without Windaube en France? In theory yes. In practice, the 15y ongoing fight has finally led to some advances, like some big shops being requested by courts to show the price details of the included software, and publish software refund procedure. Though not all vendors follow those procedures and they make sure it is as complicated it can be (you have to send your machine for 1 month, ...). But some (online mostly, and small ones in town) shops propose PCs without OS, though it's harder to find laptops. Sometimes to counter Microsoft claims that not having an OS installed implies the buyer will copy Windoze illegally they just preinstall FreeDOS :) We can also notice having a single price for the computer and the OS makes it easy for the vendors to blur the VAT details even though the rates are different, allowing M$ to evade perhaps a billion euros in VAT fees just in France alone. Is it cheaper (preferably by plus que 1 Euro) than a PC with Windaube? The refund is still very hard to calculate, some only get 15 EUR, while some managed to get 100 or 200 IIRC. Some fast path local courts made it more difficult by saying tied sale was ok, but in november 2nd ruling courts looked at it and broke the judgements : http://www.april.org/la-cour-de-cassation-sinteresse-la-vente-liee http://aful.org/communiques/tres-belle-victoire-groupe-aful-racketiciel http://racketiciel.info/nouvelles/arret-cour-cassation-distributeurs Interestingly the DGCCRF (government agency for fair competition) never really took position on the matter, waiting for court decisions, maybe they will finally act upon it now that we have them. François. -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
In some countries, at least France, it is illegal to force people to buy 2 things when they only want one. COOL :-) So you can acheter a PC without Windaube en France? Is it cheaper (preferably by plus que 1 Euro) than a PC with Windaube? -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
read http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7programs/thread/64b42c08-dd90-424f-8dfc-adf8fc474351?prof=required DJGPP apps work under xp mode in windows 7 64-bit. if the djgpp apps run, then the compiler should also run as well. so yay! I can get a 64-bit box with lots of memory. to what were you referring, Aitor? Jim Michaels From: Aitor Santamaría aitor...@gmail.com To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 4:57:02 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Hello Eric, 2010/5/14 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Jim, I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7. machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7. I want XP. so I am up a creek without a paddle trying to do dos development and needing a newer intel machine with more cores (4 or 6). Does Windows 7 have the ability to run DOS apps? XP did. Windows7 x86 does. Windows7 x64 does not (but I guess the main reason is that a processor on x64 mode does emulate 32-bit but not 16-bit. The worst problem is that what happens to Jim may be happening to many others, as many hardware vendors include by default the x64 version (not the x86). In my experience, I have requested if they would replace the x64 version with the x86, and usually refuse to do it. Regards, Aitor -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Le 10 janv. 2011 à 01:57, Aitor Santamaría a écrit : Hello Eric, 2010/5/14 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Jim, I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7. machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7. I want XP. so I am up a creek without a paddle trying to do dos development and needing a newer intel machine with more cores (4 or 6). Does Windows 7 have the ability to run DOS apps? XP did. Windows7 x86 does. Windows7 x64 does not (but I guess the main reason is that a processor on x64 mode does emulate 32-bit but not 16-bit. The worst problem is that what happens to Jim may be happening to many others, as many hardware vendors include by default the x64 version (not the x86). In my experience, I have requested if they would replace the x64 version with the x86, and usually refuse to do it. In some countries, at least France, it is illegal to force people to buy 2 things when they only want one. Though it has been an ongoing fight for 15y trying to get computer vendors to comply with law, and trials take time and not always get things right... cf. (french): http://racketiciel.info/ François. -- Gaining the trust of online customers is vital for the success of any company that requires sensitive data to be transmitted over the Web. Learn how to best implement a security strategy that keeps consumers' information secure and instills the confidence they need to proceed with transactions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
-Original Message- From: Jim Michaels [mailto:jmich...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 3:10 AM To: Eric Auer; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 I just found the windows xp mode documents and I discovered that the how to guide says that it CAN share drives. also, it can work in a mode where xp apps make windows 7 program folder icons, but start the VM. the windows xp mode comes with 7 Pro and up. only question I have left is, does it have command.com? Yes, xp mode has everything a new xp installation does. From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de To: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 1:55:21 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Hi Jim, I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that Nice :-) emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. Very interesting question. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. Can you explain this a bit more? what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 Possibly on USB stick :-) worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. Try DVD-RW then ;-) Or DVD-RAM but that might be a bit outside of the CD/DVD topic then. Eric -- Gaining the trust of online customers is vital for the success of any company that requires sensitive data to be transmitted over the Web. Learn how to best implement a security strategy that keeps consumers' information secure and instills the confidence they need to proceed with transactions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Hello Eric, 2010/5/14 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Jim, I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7. machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7. I want XP. so I am up a creek without a paddle trying to do dos development and needing a newer intel machine with more cores (4 or 6). Does Windows 7 have the ability to run DOS apps? XP did. Windows7 x86 does. Windows7 x64 does not (but I guess the main reason is that a processor on x64 mode does emulate 32-bit but not 16-bit. The worst problem is that what happens to Jim may be happening to many others, as many hardware vendors include by default the x64 version (not the x86). In my experience, I have requested if they would replace the x64 version with the x86, and usually refuse to do it. Regards, Aitor -- Gaining the trust of online customers is vital for the success of any company that requires sensitive data to be transmitted over the Web. Learn how to best implement a security strategy that keeps consumers' information secure and instills the confidence they need to proceed with transactions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Le Thu, 13 May 2010 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT), Jim Michaels a écrit : can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use As was said, the GPL doesn't preclude any business use. It only imposes duties (offering the source) in exchange for freedoms. You can perfectly use a GPLed emulator to run proprietary programs. Unless you want to ship both as a solution, but even this can be sorted out with some care. I don't think running a program in an emulator can be considered linking to it in any case. Even some GNU/Linux distros ship with proprietary drivers without problems. Just explain your needs, and even better contact the authors of the emulators directly to ask them. François. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Robert Riebisch r...@bttr-software.de wrote: Liam Proven wrote: ... Player works but can't create VMs. That's wrong. Since version 3.x VMware Player allows to create new VMs. Really? Wow! That's remarkable. I thought that was its primary limitation. Thanks for the info - I'll take a fresh look at it, then. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
since I need binaries for windows, I have narrowed the choices down to vmware workstation and windows xp mode for 7. I have the chance to try both, but I will have to wait until my friend gets back before I can try windows xp mode as a possibility. I have the latest DJGPP compressed as a self-extracting 7-zip file on a cd and ready to go for testing. should be interesting. one of the things I hope to try is windows 7 filesystem access. I couldn't see a feature list of virtual pc. I already know that djgpp-compiled 32-bit [CWS]DPMI programs run on 32-bit windows 7 but not 64-bit without xp mode. From: Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com To: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 5:58:45 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com wrote: I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. So you believe various things that aren't true, you're not actually listening to what we tell you, and you aren't willing to actually try stuff out for yourself. Why are you bothering to ask? We have told you already. VirtualPC works and does what you want. It's free. It will cost you nothing to try it. VirtualBox works and does what you want. It's free. It will cost you nothing to try it. VMware Player VMware Server work and do what you want. Both are free. They will cost you nothing to try. Stop asking questions, *read the answers* and *go try these products*. Make your *own* decisions about what you like, don't believe in all the hearsay and reports on the web. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
I use it all the time, and XP mode does not have direct access to the host machine's HD, but can access it through a network or RDP share. -Original Message- From: Jim Michaels [mailto:jmich...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:43 PM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. From: Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 10:40:41 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Op 13-5-2010 19:25, Jim Michaels schreef: can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use Let's see ( I don't know the licenses of all): * VMware (Workstation, Server, Player, etc) * Bochs * QEMu * VirtualBox * VirtualPC. As you wrote already, some have limitations based on license. I guess Bochs would do fine anyway. QEMU I don't know if you can use that, there different versions. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Hi Jim, I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that Nice :-) emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. Very interesting question. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. Can you explain this a bit more? what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 Possibly on USB stick :-) worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. Try DVD-RW then ;-) Or DVD-RAM but that might be a bit outside of the CD/DVD topic then. Eric -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Sorry, I cannot help you. My advice seems to be not good :( Alain Em 14-05-2010 16:30, Jim Michaels escreveu: since I need binaries for windows, I have narrowed the choices down to vmware workstation and windows xp mode for 7. I have the chance to try both, but I will have to wait until my friend gets back before I can try windows xp mode as a possibility. I have the latest DJGPP compressed as a self-extracting 7-zip file on a cd and ready to go for testing. should be interesting. one of the things I hope to try is windows 7 filesystem access. I couldn't see a feature list of virtual pc. I already know that djgpp-compiled 32-bit [CWS]DPMI programs run on 32-bit windows 7 but not 64-bit without xp mode. *From:* Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com *To:* Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Thu, May 13, 2010 5:58:45 PM *Subject:* Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com mailto:jmich...@yahoo.com wrote: I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. So you believe various things that aren't true, you're not actually listening to what we tell you, and you aren't willing to actually try stuff out for yourself. Why are you bothering to ask? We have told you already. VirtualPC works and does what you want. It's free. It will cost you nothing to try it. VirtualBox works and does what you want. It's free. It will cost you nothing to try it. VMware Player VMware Server work and do what you want. Both are free. They will cost you nothing to try. Stop asking questions, *read the answers* and *go try these products*. Make your *own* decisions about what you like, don't believe in all the hearsay and reports on the web. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk mailto:lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com mailto:lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com mailto:lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
what is RDP? * Reliable Datagram Protocol, also known as Reliable User Datagram Protocol (RUDP) * Remote Desktop Protocol, a remote access network protocol developed by Microsoft.I think you mean Remote Desktop - and what can I do with it? I assume one of the things you can do with it is transfer files...? I have never used that feature of windows. I happen to have a Filezilla FTP Server configured on my desktop, so that would probably be the easiest form of file transfer. I am just not sure how it would work. would there be two computers on localhost? or one of them on a static IP I would guess... or can I DHCP them both and each get its own IP address from the router (that would be weird)? thanks for your time. can it access a USB stick? I wouldn't mind using that for shared disk space. (leave it plugged in). I am also considering the realities and possibilities that I may need a 750W power supply. =:-O From: David C. Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com To: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 12:57:36 PM Subject: RE: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 I use it all the time, and XP mode does not have direct access to the host machine's HD, but can access it through a network or RDP share. -Original Message- From: Jim Michaels [mailto:jmich...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:43 PM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. From: Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 10:40:41 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Op 13-5-2010 19:25, Jim Michaels schreef: can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use Let's see ( I don't know the licenses of all): * VMware (Workstation, Server, Player, etc) * Bochs * QEMu * VirtualBox * VirtualPC. As you wrote already, some have limitations based on license. I guess Bochs would do fine anyway. QEMU I don't know if you can use that, there different versions. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use virtualbox isn't going to do it, especially since the GPL better-licensed Open Source Edition isn't made to compile under windows. oracle - sigh. yes, I am trying to use legacy DOS programs in win7. I personally think they will only work in 32-bit 7. most systems you buy on the market today are 64-bit (for obvious reasons). so it looks like I may have to use a working emulator. maybe. qemu (dur to some of its content) and virtualbox are out (due to lack of windows support), unless someone has got a windows version of virtualbox. maybe I will go with some version of vmware. I need to run DJGPP tools and apps on windows basically. From: Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 5:03:26 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Let me give you more useable answers. Are you trying to use legacy DOS programs in Win7? I know thar Qemu used to work grat, and it is actively developed. It will give you a nice emulated machine with a NIC emulation. VirtualBox should work too, and should be much more easy. Both have nice vesa graphics. Neither will give you shared folders, you will have to use network only access. Probavly the easy way to instal is with www.netbootdisk.com If you have more problems, please ask. I will be interesting in solving that issue. Alain -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Op 13-5-2010 19:25, Jim Michaels schreef: can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use Let's see ( I don't know the licenses of all): * VMware (Workstation, Server, Player, etc) * Bochs * QEMu * VirtualBox * VirtualPC. As you wrote already, some have limitations based on license. I guess Bochs would do fine anyway. QEMU I don't know if you can use that, there different versions. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Any GPL software can be used for business. No exeptions and restrictions apply only to redistribution of modified versions. I know that Qemu runs fine under under XP, it might be very interesting if that folder sharing thing worked fine :) VirtualBox runs 100% on any windows. Surely VboxOse compiles on windows, but it might not be so easy. I am sure that poking around, a precompiled version must be available somewhere (that is not a GPL violation) But the simples might be to use VirtualPC, from... Microsoft itself. Alain Em 13-05-2010 14:25, Jim Michaels escreveu: can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use virtualbox isn't going to do it, especially since the GPL better-licensed Open Source Edition isn't made to compile under windows. oracle - sigh. yes, I am trying to use legacy DOS programs in win7. I personally think they will only work in 32-bit 7. most systems you buy on the market today are 64-bit (for obvious reasons). so it looks like I may have to use a working emulator. maybe. qemu (dur to some of its content) and virtualbox are out (due to lack of windows support), unless someone has got a windows version of virtualbox. maybe I will go with some version of vmware. I need to run DJGPP tools and apps on windows basically. *From:* Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com *To:* freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Wed, May 12, 2010 5:03:26 PM *Subject:* Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Let me give you more useable answers. Are you trying to use legacy DOS programs in Win7? I know thar Qemu used to work grat, and it is actively developed. It will give you a nice emulated machine with a NIC emulation. VirtualBox should work too, and should be much more easy. Both have nice vesa graphics. Neither will give you shared folders, you will have to use network only access. Probavly the easy way to instal is with www.netbootdisk.com http://www.netbootdisk.com If you have more problems, please ask. I will be interesting in solving that issue. Alain -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Hi Alain, I know thar Qemu used to work great, and it is actively developed. It will give you a nice emulated machine with a NIC emulation. VirtualBox should work too, and should be much more easy. Both have nice vesa graphics. Neither will give you shared folders, you will have to use network only access. Probavly the easy way to instal is with www.netbootdisk.com How does it differ from the NwDsk by Erwin Veermans? http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/index.html Which disk is better for which purpose, and why? Can you give some more details about both? Thanks :-) Eric -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Hi Jim, I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7. machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7. I want XP. so I am up a creek without a paddle trying to do dos development and needing a newer intel machine with more cores (4 or 6). Does Windows 7 have the ability to run DOS apps? XP did. so, since everything HP offers is 64-bit, is there a 64-bit or 32-bit emulator that can run freedos and still have access to a FAT32 partition I make with windows? what about an NTFS partition? I have For NTFS access in DOS, you need big drivers like NTFS4DOS. However, even if HP only gives you Windows 7 drivers, you can of course run FreeDOS directly on your 4/6 core machine and access FAT32 partitions from there. Disk, keyboard and mouse as well as 2d graphics all work, thanks to your BIOS. The downside is that DOS in general runs only one app full screen and might not support your network card etc. You can of course plug a PCI card with Realtek chipset or similar. Only a few DOS apps will be able to use modern sound chips. Wireless network is almost completely unsupported in DOS. heard of bochs and qemu, I don't know which emulator anyone has gotten up and running with The rest of the thread discusses this... How can I build my own FreeDOS emulator image using a batch file? As you can emulate many drives, you can boot from an unchanged boot floppy or boot CD image. I like the http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html#disk_005fimages_005ffat_005fimages idea mentioned elsewhere in this thread which allows you to simulate a fat disk in qemu out of a host OS directory (which can be any filesystem type, eg NTFS) even though with write access is a bit tricky then. Does it require a freedos ripcord bootable floppy image? Ripcord? That would be ancient... Try freedos 1.0 CD image or the floppy distro from Rugxulo, which is much newer than the 1.0 CD of FreeDOS: http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ I do know that 64-bit windows 7 will run 32-bit apps. Good :-) Eric -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Does Windows 7 have the ability to run DOS apps? The 32-bit editions do. The 64-bit editions do not. XP did. Only the 32-bit edition. No 64-bit version of Windows runs 16-bit apps. The NTVDM is gone and WOW16 which thunked Win16 API calls through to Win32 has been replaced with WOW32, which thunks Win32 calls through to Win64. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunking#OS.2F2_.26_Windows_16-bit_address_hack The downside is that DOS in general runs only one app full screen and might not support your network card etc. And can only use 1 CPU core. Big limitation, that. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Em 13-05-2010 20:04, Eric Auer escreveu: Probavly the easy way to instal is with www.netbootdisk.com How does it differ from the NwDsk by Erwin Veermans? http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/index.html Which disk is better for which purpose, and why? Can you give some more details about both? Thanks :-) First of all, netbootdisk is constantly updated and works with most new Mobos. It is an awsome work, you just boot it and it works. A complete Microsoft network client. I made a small batch file that transfers everything to C: and creates another batch that can be used as a packet driver for later FreeDOS boot. The big deal is that he creates a working set of config files that I just can go on using afterwards. And he has a magic source for drivers ;) It is a well done, well mantained and up-to-dade solution :) Alain -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. From: Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 10:40:41 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7 Op 13-5-2010 19:25, Jim Michaels schreef: can you point me to an emulator that has windows binaries that can be used by a business person for more than personal use Let's see ( I don't know the licenses of all): * VMware (Workstation, Server, Player, etc) * Bochs * QEMu * VirtualBox * VirtualPC. As you wrote already, some have limitations based on license. I guess Bochs would do fine anyway. QEMU I don't know if you can use that, there different versions. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com wrote: I did more research I and I heard some rumblings about windows 7's Windows XP Mode. it turns out it's a Windows Virtual PC that emulates XP yet provides access to your devices. I don't know what kind of filesystem access it provides. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ and, it's 32-bit always. so I think i'm covered if I get a 64-bit 7 box. the only issues left are the filesystem virtual store. if anything ever touches c:\program files\ and it doesn't have a manifest, or something is trying to write data there, the app gets shuffled off to the virtual store area. this has been happening since vista. what I don't know is, will xp mode share filesystems with windows 7? that is VERY important. I need to be able to share data in at least SOME way. does anybody know whether it can do this? best case: share NTFS next best case: share FAT32 worst case: burn a cd. (sneakernet) very wasteful. So you believe various things that aren't true, you're not actually listening to what we tell you, and you aren't willing to actually try stuff out for yourself. Why are you bothering to ask? We have told you already. VirtualPC works and does what you want. It's free. It will cost you nothing to try it. VirtualBox works and does what you want. It's free. It will cost you nothing to try it. VMware Player VMware Server work and do what you want. Both are free. They will cost you nothing to try. Stop asking questions, *read the answers* and *go try these products*. Make your *own* decisions about what you like, don't believe in all the hearsay and reports on the web. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7. Private problem of Macro$oft :-D Use DBAN to delete it and install FreeDOS then ;-) machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7 Many devices are sufficiently generic (USB, IDE/SATA, ICH/HDA sound, Graph usually has some VGA/VESA support) so don't whine before you tested DOS compatibility ;-) creek without a paddle trying to do dos development and needing a newer intel machine with more cores (4 or 6). Install DOS (not Windaube) if you want to develop for DOS. The additional cores won't have any benefit for DOS but it should work on the one of them at least. so, since everything HP offers is 64-bit But 16-bit DOS still used to work on 64-bit. Did you confirm that it does no longer ? there a 64-bit or 32-bit emulator that can run freedos BOCHS and still have access to a FAT32 partition I make with windows? NO what about an NTFS partition? Private problem of Macro$oft :-D I have heard of bochs and qemu, I don't know which emulator anyone has gotten up and running with They both work in DOS (with some effort and some tiny problems) ;-) How can I build my own FreeDOS emulator image using a batch file? Install FreeDOS rather than faking it. I do know that 64-bit windows 7 will run 32-bit apps. Proper Win32 apps only (not DGJPP apps, not Linux32 apps, not OSama/2 apps). -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos emulation under 64-bit windows 7
Let me give you more useable answers. Are you trying to use legacy DOS programs in Win7? I know thar Qemu used to work grat, and it is actively developed. It will give you a nice emulated machine with a NIC emulation. VirtualBox should work too, and should be much more easy. Both have nice vesa graphics. Neither will give you shared folders, you will have to use network only access. Probavly the easy way to instal is with www.netbootdisk.com If you have more problems, please ask. I will be interesting in solving that issue. Alain -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
