Undelete in Panther

[Vern]

Does anyone have any experience with undeleting files in Panther? I 
have a student who accidentally deleted his completed video project 
before it was assessed, and both he and I are anxious to avoid having 
to redo the project. The project was on a shared iBook, which saw use 
after the deletion, so I'd like to at least be able to check to see if 
the files are recoverable before spending money on software. Had access 
to Norton Utilities 2002 but it doesn't even see the drive. Google 
search found VirtualLab, but am having problems connecting with their 
server (could be a network issue on my end).

TIA,
Vern
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Re: Airport Alternatives

[dan_A]

On Mar 19, 2004, at 5:27 PM, Hugo Trottier wrote:

Not sure. Never done it. But what i do know is that they offer another 
model with a print server option: Ethernet and USB print sharing.
The Netgear wireless router that I mentioned before has 4 ethernet 
cable outputs as well. My network consists of the Tbook with an airport 
card, 4 macs and a hp laser printer... everything is accessible to 
everything else. I'm running 10.3.3 on the Tbook, 10.2.8, 9.2.2 and 
7.5.(on a SE/30) on the other macs and can print to the laser printer 
from all and mount any drive. I also have a Netgear 4 port hub stuck 
in-between somewhere for the additional ports.

dan_A

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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 19/03/04 18:02, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew Kershaw wrote:
> 
>>> Thanks for the head-up, Hugo. Does it support AppleTalk? I still have a
>>> LaserWriter 16/600PS which uses EtherTalk (AppleTalk over Ethernet),
>>> so I
>>> need to be able to print wirelessly...
>>> 
>>> -Laurent.
>>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> Can't you configure that LW to use LPR?  That should work with any
>> TCP/IP-slash-LPR client (UNIX, Windows, Mac, whatever).
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Drew
> 
> Yo Drew or Laurent or Anyone...
> EQUIPMENT...Imac SE 400 & Pismo 400 10.3.3 on both...also with Airport
> Graphite Base Station and Verizon DSL
> PROBLEMI have an Apple PLW NTR ll that I need to figure out how to
> hook up to the iMac so I can also use it wirelessly with the PismoI
> bought a Dayna Ethernet unit on LEM last fall but don't have the
> foggiest as to how to hook it up  I was told that the NTR is an
> AppleTalk printer..I have used it with my Performa 5200 thru a serial
> cable connected to an AppleTalk(?) cable..

Mike,

I don't know what is exactly a "Dayna Ethernet", but what you need is an
AppleTalk to Ethernet bridge, like the AsanteTalk (which has been
discontinued a while ago). Basically, that bridge takes incoming AppleTalk
packets on LocalTalk cabling (that your PLW uses) and encapsulate them on
Ethernet, so they become EtherTalk packets. The bridge also does the
reverse, it takes EtherTalk packets from Ethernet, removes the Ethernet
"coating" and send them onto the LocalTalk cabling as simple AppleTalk
packets. So, the device has one connector for LocalTalk and one connector
for Ethernet. I had one that I used with my previous PLW NTR and I was able
to see the printer from my Pismo wirelessly.

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Re: DSL modem driver

[Paul Nicholson]

On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Dave Bonhoff wrote:
Just go grab an alcatel speed touch home that's ethernet and works 
like a champ i had the usb version for 2 days and had nothing but 
problems been running my ethernet version for about 3 years i would 
guess now and it has never missed a beat.

I've got an Alcatel/Fujitsu Ethernet DSL modem that was orphaned when I 
switched DSL providers. It works very well, it was a replacement for an 
earlier model that did not work well. I'll sell it really cheap, as 
they don't go for much on eBay.

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Re: Airport Alternatives

[K]

Andrew Kershaw wrote:

Thanks for the head-up, Hugo. Does it support AppleTalk? I still have a
LaserWriter 16/600PS which uses EtherTalk (AppleTalk over Ethernet), 
so I
need to be able to print wirelessly...

-Laurent.
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TCP/IP-slash-LPR client (UNIX, Windows, Mac, whatever).

Peace,
Drew
Yo Drew or Laurent or Anyone...
EQUIPMENT...Imac SE 400 & Pismo 400 10.3.3 on both...also with Airport 
Graphite Base Station and Verizon DSL
PROBLEMI have an Apple PLW NTR ll that I need to figure out how to 
hook up to the iMac so I can also use it wirelessly with the PismoI 
bought a Dayna Ethernet unit on LEM last fall but don't have the 
foggiest as to how to hook it up  I was told that the NTR is an 
AppleTalk printer..I have used it with my Performa 5200 thru a serial 
cable connected to an AppleTalk(?) cable..
Regards and Thanks in advance...
Mike K

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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Andrew Kershaw]

Thanks for the head-up, Hugo. Does it support AppleTalk? I still have a
LaserWriter 16/600PS which uses EtherTalk (AppleTalk over Ethernet), so I
need to be able to print wirelessly...
-Laurent.
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Re: DSL modem driver

[Richard Clark]

On 19 Mar 2004, at 11:26 PM, Dave Bonhoff wrote:

You had one?  You wouldn't happen to still have the installation disk 
with the PPPoE driver for it would you?
actually i threw the modem and disk on the floor at the shop where i 
got my adsl subscription then it was provided by my service provider 
but no mac support so i just went and got an ethernet one which is way 
better and couldn't care less what kind of computer it is hooked up to.
will take a look and see if i have the drivers somewhere you never know 
i might but as far as i remember it was an install disk that came from 
my service provider and installed the driver and also the ppoe connect 
client of course i am talking about os9  x didn't exist yet.
I'm not in a position to replace the modem yet.  I've had it working 
well on an XP machine, but I don't want that POS (the XP machine) to 
stay connected to my network any longer than it takes to get the 
correct modem driver for OS X PPPoE.

Thanks!
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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Tim Gochnour]

On Mar 19, 2004, at 8:52 AM, K wrote:

Right...I would also like some clarification here...my son and I have 
had major fights over this...he insists that A/V for the Mac is a 
scam and a waste of money.  Says that it is all a hoax perpetrated by 
the A/V companies for $$$.  I have rec'd at least 1 of those new 
Windows viral attachments a day for the last 3 weeks and immediately 
delete them...He maintains that there are no such things as Mac 
virus's and that a Windows virus can't be passed on by a Mac and if 
one can, any Windows user that gets a virus either supposedly passed 
on from a Mac or some other Windows user deserves what they get if 
they aren't using the latest A/V updates.  Anyone know for sure 
whether a Mac can pass on a Windows virus?
Regards,
Mike


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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Hugo Trottier]

Not sure. Never done it. But what i do know is that they offer another  
model with a print server option: Ethernet and USB print sharing.

regards

Hugo Trottier
Editor
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On 19-Mar-04, at 5:13 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
On 19/03/04 17:10, "Hugo Trottier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Laurent, excuse me for getting on the subject, but i have had a
Graphite Airport Base station that was a little "Flaky" and decided to
replace it by a D-Link DI-614+ from the " b" family of wireless
product. Nothing fancy and less than half of the price of my Graphite
Base station. You configure it using your browser, and the phone
support is fantastic, and i should also mention that it's valid for
life, not 90 Days. Works with any Apple Airport Card. Great solution
and the coverage is somewhat broader than the original Airport. work
great under OSX and 9.
Thanks for the head-up, Hugo. Does it support AppleTalk? I still have a
LaserWriter 16/600PS which uses EtherTalk (AppleTalk over Ethernet),  
so I
need to be able to print wirelessly...

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Re: DSL modem driver

[Dave Bonhoff]

You had one?  You wouldn't happen to still have the installation disk 
with the PPPoE driver for it would you?

I'm not in a position to replace the modem yet.  I've had it working 
well on an XP machine, but I don't want that POS (the XP machine) to 
stay connected to my network any longer than it takes to get the 
correct modem driver for OS X PPPoE.

Thanks!
Dave
On 19-Mar-04, at 13:42, Richard Clark wrote:

On 18 Mar 2004, at 11:59 PM, Dave Bonhoff wrote:

Agreed!  The thing is, I'm trying to use a USB DSL Modem.  The PPPoE 
tab is one of the ethernet port settings.  It isn't available in any 
of the modem settings.  This is why I'm looking for a different modem 
driver.  As I said, all the drivers I've found are for PPPoA.  Maybe 
I'm missing something real simple...

I'm trying to share the connection with other computers in the house 
over the network port, if that makes any difference.  I've already 
found that by having the network location set to automatic, having 
the USB DSL modem listed first, then the internal modem, and having 
internet sharing enabled, the iMac is acting as a decent 
router/firewall. And it will automatically try the DSL, then fall 
back to the internal dial-up modem when the DSL modem doesn't 
connect.  Now THAT is a neat feature!

Thanks
Dave
Just go grab an alcatel speed touch home that's ethernet and works 
like a champ i had the usb version for 2 days and had nothing but 
problems been running my ethernet version for about 3 years i would 
guess now and it has never missed a beat.

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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 19/03/04 17:10, "Hugo Trottier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Laurent, excuse me for getting on the subject, but i have had a
> Graphite Airport Base station that was a little "Flaky" and decided to
> replace it by a D-Link DI-614+ from the " b" family of wireless
> product. Nothing fancy and less than half of the price of my Graphite
> Base station. You configure it using your browser, and the phone
> support is fantastic, and i should also mention that it's valid for
> life, not 90 Days. Works with any Apple Airport Card. Great solution
> and the coverage is somewhat broader than the original Airport. work
> great under OSX and 9.

Thanks for the head-up, Hugo. Does it support AppleTalk? I still have a
LaserWriter 16/600PS which uses EtherTalk (AppleTalk over Ethernet), so I
need to be able to print wirelessly...

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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Hugo Trottier]

Laurent, excuse me for getting on the subject, but i have had a  
Graphite Airport Base station that was a little "Flaky" and decided to  
replace it by a D-Link DI-614+ from the " b" family of wireless  
product. Nothing fancy and less than half of the price of my Graphite  
Base station. You configure it using your browser, and the phone  
support is fantastic, and i should also mention that it's valid for  
life, not 90 Days. Works with any Apple Airport Card. Great solution  
and the coverage is somewhat broader than the original Airport. work  
great under OSX and 9.

Just my 2 cents.

Hugo Trottier
Editor
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On 19-Mar-04, at 4:43 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
On 19/03/04 16:19, "Bryan Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Robert:

I have an all Asante line-up.  Their wireless card that was just
introduced somewhere around December ... I  believe it only works with
OS X.  My base station is an Asante product as well.  Both have worked
very well with Panther.
B. Forbes



On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:04 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:

I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless
capability.
Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort
Extreme
card Apple recommends?
How do you do the configuration of your base station? I'm looking to  
replace
my older graphite base station, but I'm a bit concerned by 3rd party
solutions in part because of compatibility issues. With an AirPort Base
Station, you're almost always sure that Apple will provide the tools
whenever the system changes or is updated...

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Re: Airport Alteratives

[Rad Craig]

I have a mixed (PC/Mac) network with a US Robotics 802.11g Turbo 
Wireless router (100Mb's).  I have a US Robotics 802.11g PCMCIA wireless 
card in a Thinkpad, a TrendNet PCMCIA card (802.11b) in a Compaq laptop 
and an Aria Extreme PCI 802.11g card in my QuickSilver and they all work 
great together.  I just got my first mac laptop (Wallstreet) and will be 
purchasing an Aria Extreme PCMCIA card for it.

Rad...

dan_A wrote:

On Mar 19, 2004, at 3:04 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:

I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless 
capability.
Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort Extreme
card Apple recommends?



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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 19/03/04 16:19, "Bryan Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Robert:
> 
> I have an all Asante line-up.  Their wireless card that was just
> introduced somewhere around December ... I  believe it only works with
> OS X.  My base station is an Asante product as well.  Both have worked
> very well with Panther.
> 
> B. Forbes
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:04 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:
> 
>> I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless
>> capability.
>> Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort
>> Extreme
>> card Apple recommends?
>> 

How do you do the configuration of your base station? I'm looking to replace
my older graphite base station, but I'm a bit concerned by 3rd party
solutions in part because of compatibility issues. With an AirPort Base
Station, you're almost always sure that Apple will provide the tools
whenever the system changes or is updated...

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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Bryan Forbes]

Robert:

I have an all Asante line-up.  Their wireless card that was just 
introduced somewhere around December ... I  believe it only works with 
OS X.  My base station is an Asante product as well.  Both have worked 
very well with Panther.

B. Forbes



On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:04 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:

I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless 
capability.
Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort 
Extreme
card Apple recommends?

Robert Greenstreet
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Re: Airport Alternatives

[Andrew]

If you want internal, the Apple card is your only choice as the socket 
is proprietary (not standard PC card).

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On Mar 19, 2004, at 12:04 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:
I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless 
capability.
Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort 
Extreme
card Apple recommends?

Robert Greenstreet

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Re: Airport Alteratives

[dan_A]

On Mar 19, 2004, at 3:04 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:

I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless 
capability.
Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort 
Extreme
card Apple recommends?
I have an Airport card in my G4 Tbook which goes for about $90-$100 and 
works beautifully with a $25 (after rebate) Netgear 4 port wireless 
router instead of the ($300?) Airport base transmitter. That's one 
alternative for you.

dan_A

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Airport Alternatives

[Robert Greenstreet]

I just received a G4 iBook and am planning to purchase wireless capability.
Does anyone have any experience with alternatives to the AirPort Extreme
card Apple recommends?

Robert Greenstreet


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Re: Narcolepsy

[Ned1]

On occasion I leave my Pismo running a long job like a backup to DVD... and let it run 
overnight.  It's plugged into the wall and is set to dim, darken, let hard drive sleep 
when possible, but for the CPU to remain active.  When I come back in the morning 
(occasionally), I come back to a dark screen, no green snooze light, and it won't wake 
up.  It appears to be asleep without the snooze light.  I have to power it off and 
then back on again.  This happens about once a week, but seems to be happening more 
frequently.  Any ideas?

Ned

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus)

[Ned1]

There are a growing number of Mac users who are forced to run Virtual PC and some 
flavor of Windows on their laptop... primarily for business reasons.  I understand 
Norton has included the Windows virus information in the stuff the Mac version checks 
for.  Is that sufficient to protect the Windows guest machines?

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Re: DSL modem driver

[Richard Clark]

On 18 Mar 2004, at 11:59 PM, Dave Bonhoff wrote:

Agreed!  The thing is, I'm trying to use a USB DSL Modem.  The PPPoE 
tab is one of the ethernet port settings.  It isn't available in any 
of the modem settings.  This is why I'm looking for a different modem 
driver.  As I said, all the drivers I've found are for PPPoA.  Maybe 
I'm missing something real simple...

I'm trying to share the connection with other computers in the house 
over the network port, if that makes any difference.  I've already 
found that by having the network location set to automatic, having the 
USB DSL modem listed first, then the internal modem, and having 
internet sharing enabled, the iMac is acting as a decent 
router/firewall. And it will automatically try the DSL, then fall back 
to the internal dial-up modem when the DSL modem doesn't connect.  Now 
THAT is a neat feature!

Thanks
Dave
Just go grab an alcatel speed touch home that's ethernet and works like 
a champ i had the usb version for 2 days and had nothing but problems 
been running my ethernet version for about 3 years i would guess now 
and it has never missed a beat.

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 19/03/04 13:26, "Eugene Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:45:11AM -0600, Steve Fuller wrote:
> : 
> : On Mar 19, 2004, at 8:00 AM, Andrew wrote:
> : 
> : >You need it because those viruses fake the sender's address, so you
> : >might get something from someone you "trust", which is really a virus,
> : >then not being able to open the "photo" that your "friend" sent, you
> : >reply asking him or her to send it again only now your friend's
> : >computer (which runs Windows) is infected by that virus that YOU sent.
> : 
> : While this is a plausible scenario, this issue (along with many others
> : on the net) boils down to user training. The Mac did not forward the
> : virus, YOU the user did.
> 
> Why should I as a Mac user care about the survival of Windoze machines?
> The healthy diverse ecosystem theory does not apply to the one species
> that overwhelmingly dominates all others.
> 

I wholeheartedly agree with Eugene. Even if my wife is using a Dell, I
couldn't care less about the problems that Windows users have. You
ultimately always have the choice of what you do in life, so they decided to
make their lives miserable and painful, that's their choice.

Now, bring back some PowerBooks-related topics!

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Eugene Lee]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:45:11AM -0600, Steve Fuller wrote:
: 
: On Mar 19, 2004, at 8:00 AM, Andrew wrote:
: 
: >You need it because those viruses fake the sender's address, so you 
: >might get something from someone you "trust", which is really a virus, 
: >then not being able to open the "photo" that your "friend" sent, you 
: >reply asking him or her to send it again only now your friend's 
: >computer (which runs Windows) is infected by that virus that YOU sent.
: 
: While this is a plausible scenario, this issue (along with many others 
: on the net) boils down to user training. The Mac did not forward the 
: virus, YOU the user did.

Why should I as a Mac user care about the survival of Windoze machines?
The healthy diverse ecosystem theory does not apply to the one species
that overwhelmingly dominates all others.


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Re: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc

[Jeff Hubatka]

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:35:52 -0500
Subject: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc
From: Norm Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What is the best way to network?On line discussion states that
an  Apple AirPort Card will work with any wireless router.

on 18/03/04 17:26, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have Earthlink - runs through a Linksys router (wired), and I also
have a wireless D-Link router acting as an access point. Airport 
cards
installed in a Titanium and a Pismo, also WaveLAN wireless PCMCIA
cards
in a Lombard and 5300. So to answer your question, any wireless 
router
will work.
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 01:15  AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Keep in mind that some wireless access points won't support AppleTalk
packets (Linksys won't)...
-Laurent.
Question: Will other wireless access points support Apple Talk Packets
?(Other than Linksys)
I think that *SOME* Netgear models will support them. The best thing 
is to
check with the manufacturer. Asante also supports them. They've been
supporting the Macintosh for many years and their products are 
compatible.

-Laurent.
What I've seen is a lot of routers will pass Appletalk on the wired 
side, not on the wireless. I have a DLink DI-614, it's set up that way. 
There was a note on macintouch.com recently about which will pass AT 
wireless, and I know the Buffalo was one. Don't remember the rest 
(short list though), but I'd suggest looking at the wireless reports on 
their site for the past week.

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Re: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc

[Clark Martin]

At 8:01 AM -0500 3/19/04, Norm Kamp wrote:
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:35:52 -0500
Subject: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc
From: Norm Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What is the best way to network?On line discussion states 
that an  Apple AirPort Card will work with any wireless router.

on 18/03/04 17:26, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have Earthlink - runs through a Linksys router (wired), and I also
have a wireless D-Link router acting as an access point. Airport cards
installed in a Titanium and a Pismo, also WaveLAN wireless PCMCIA cards
in a Lombard and 5300. So to answer your question, any wireless router
will work.
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 01:15  AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Keep in mind that some wireless access points won't support AppleTalk
packets (Linksys won't)...
-Laurent.
Question: Will other wireless access points support Apple Talk 
Packets ?(Other than Linksys)
An older Netgear router does, the 314 I think.  My SMC router claimed 
to and I could see the zone list but never could connect.  Personnaly 
I've been moving away from using AppleTalk.  I do FileSharing, 
printing and Timbuktu almost entirely using IP now.
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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Andrew]

Norton is not the only AV program for Mac.  There is
Virex, and somebody on this list mentioned another
last week, though I don't recall the name.

I've had good luck with Norton AV and since they give
upgrade pricing from PC versions, the price was right.

Andrew


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> 
> On Mar 19, 2004, at 7:00 AM, Andrew wrote:
> 
> > You need it because those viruses fake the
> sender's address, so you 
> > might get something from someone you "trust",
> which is really a virus, 
> > then not being able to open the "photo" that your
> "friend" sent, you 
> > reply asking him or her to send it again only now
> your friend's 
> > computer (which runs Windows) is infected by that
> virus that YOU sent.
> 
> If you send a plain text email to that friend,
> why/how would you infect 
> his system? Are you thinking that the recipient
> would send the file 
> back to the supposed sender? I certainly wouldn't do
> that. Does hitting 
> Reply on some email programs automatically attach
> files? I haven't seen 
> that behavior in Mail.
> >
> > Not only that, but the SMTP worms are only the
> latest threat, there 
> > are plenty of older and different pieces of
> malware out there, and 
> > while a Mac cannot be infected by Windows code, it
> can spread it as 
> > described above.
> 
> Only if one manually forwards an attachment, right?
> 
> >   Also, while there aren't any OS X virii yet,
> there will be.  I used 
> > to think the same in the System 7.5.1 days and
> didn't bother with 
> > antivirus, until I got hit by the Autostart worm
> which after going 
> > unnoticed for a week or two rendered most of my
> documents damaged or 
> > useless (It randomely replaced ones with zeros).
> >
> > I won't use ANY computer without antivirus, even a
> Mac.
> >
> > Andrew
> 
> Well, that's the way to be safe, I suppose. But
> personally, I won't 
> ever use a Norton product again. When I'm ready,
> I'll see what else is 
> available, and read some reviews.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Harry D . Corsover]

I'm not sure I'm following you here...

On Mar 19, 2004, at 7:00 AM, Andrew wrote:

You need it because those viruses fake the sender's address, so you 
might get something from someone you "trust", which is really a virus, 
then not being able to open the "photo" that your "friend" sent, you 
reply asking him or her to send it again only now your friend's 
computer (which runs Windows) is infected by that virus that YOU sent.
If you send a plain text email to that friend, why/how would you infect 
his system? Are you thinking that the recipient would send the file 
back to the supposed sender? I certainly wouldn't do that. Does hitting 
Reply on some email programs automatically attach files? I haven't seen 
that behavior in Mail.
Not only that, but the SMTP worms are only the latest threat, there 
are plenty of older and different pieces of malware out there, and 
while a Mac cannot be infected by Windows code, it can spread it as 
described above.
Only if one manually forwards an attachment, right?

  Also, while there aren't any OS X virii yet, there will be.  I used 
to think the same in the System 7.5.1 days and didn't bother with 
antivirus, until I got hit by the Autostart worm which after going 
unnoticed for a week or two rendered most of my documents damaged or 
useless (It randomely replaced ones with zeros).

I won't use ANY computer without antivirus, even a Mac.

Andrew
Well, that's the way to be safe, I suppose. But personally, I won't 
ever use a Norton product again. When I'm ready, I'll see what else is 
available, and read some reviews.

Regards,

Harry Corsover

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Harry D . Corsover]

On Mar 18, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Andrew wrote:

EVERYONE needs antivirus software, not necessarily for YOUR Mac, but 
for EVERYONE ELSE who uses Windows.  A Mac can very easily forward a 
virus.

Andrew
Yes, but it takes a user to do so manually. Don't forward attached 
files to others, and there's no problem. The only files I receive and 
might forward are Microsoft Word or Excel files, and MS Office checks 
for macro viruses. Personally, I have not bought any antivirus software 
for my new 15" PowerBook G4, and don't intend to unless/until a need 
arises. I'm on lists like this often enough that I'm confident I'll see 
a post about it if/when it happens.

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Re: Sound advice needed

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On Mar 18, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Robert Greenstreet wrote:

I agree with Kurt here. My wife got me some Bose noise cancelling 
headphones
for Christmas and I can heartily recommend them, especially during air
travel. They are comfortable for hours and provide high quality sound 
(I'm
no audiophile) while substantially reducing background noise.

Robert Greenstreet

I've heard from several sources (including a friend who owns both) that 
the Sennheiser (sp?) noise cancelling headphones are far better than 
the Bose. You may want to check them both out before purchasing.

Regards,

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Steve Fuller]

least 1 of those new Windows viral attachments a day for the last 3 
weeks and immediately delete them...He maintains
That is the proper thing to do.

that there are no such things as Mac virus's and that a Windows virus 
can't be passed on by a Mac and if one can, any
There are Mac viruses, but all of them that *I* know of are not for OS 
X, and those that are available for older OS versions are going to be 
pretty hard to come by now.

Windows user that gets a virus either supposedly passed on from a Mac 
or some other Windows user deserves what they get if they aren't using 
the latest A/V updates.  Anyone know for sure whether a Mac can pass 
on a Windows virus?
I don't know if they deserve what they get if they aren't using the 
latest A/V updates. I think that it all boils down to user training and 
being suspicious of any attachments that get sent to you via email.

To my knowledge, the only way to pass a windows virus to anyone is for 
a user to manually forward a copy to someone with a windows machine, or 
for it to sit on a Mac that's acting as a mail server for Windows 
clients.

Steve Fuller

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Steve Fuller]

On Mar 19, 2004, at 8:00 AM, Andrew wrote:

You need it because those viruses fake the sender's address, so you 
might get something from someone you "trust", which is really a virus, 
then not being able to open the "photo" that your "friend" sent, you 
reply asking him or her to send it again only now your friend's 
computer (which runs Windows) is infected by that virus that YOU sent.
While this is a plausible scenario, this issue (along with many others 
on the net) boils down to user training. The Mac did not forward the 
virus, YOU the user did.

any OS X virii yet, there will be.  I used to think the same in the 
System 7.5.1 days and didn't bother with antivirus, until I got hit by 
the Autostart worm which after going unnoticed for a week or two 
rendered most of my documents damaged or useless (It randomely 
replaced ones with zeros).
While I won't ever say that a particular OS will never become the 
target of a virus platform, I'm confident that I don't see the future 
of a virus on OS X looming as closely as you do. Differences of opinion 
I guess.

Steve Fuller

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Re: OS 10.3.3

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 19/03/04 08:59, Luis Sequeira at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> 10.3.3. on a Pismo.
>> It claims that networked servers will appear in the sidebar. But that
>> applied before in my 3.2. Can't discern any changes - good or bad. What
>> should I be looking for? (I'd love to be able to make appearance
>> changes - fonts etc - in iCal). TONY
> 
> Only networked servers that were connected by entering their address
> directly (or by selecting from the favorite servers list) used to
> appear in the sidebar (and on the desktop).
> 
> If you used the Network button in the sidebar or the browse button in
> the "Connect to server" dialog to find a server, then it would NOT
> appear in the sidebar.
> This has (at last!) been fixed  in 10.3.3 (this strange behavior had
> been introduced with 10.3).

Had to do with Apple's decision initially in 10.3 to do "soft" mounts as in
Unix, as opposed to "hard" mount. Soft mounts were done when you would
access the "Network" component in the Finder, while hard mount were used
when you would use "Connect to server" and type the IP address.

With 10.3.3, all mounts are hard mounts. Soft mounts is a way to access a
remote volume where if the server is temporarily unavailable, the system
won't warn you and will try to reconnect. Obviously, you can get strange
behaviors from applications that are trying to access those volumes. Hard
mounts, on the other hand, are tightly integrated with the system. If a
server providing the hard mount becomes unavailable, the system and any
application using that volume will stop and wait until the volume gets back
online or the system decides that it gives up after a time out.

-Laurent.
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Re: OT : Image Capture v2.1

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 19/03/04 03:45, Tom Burke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Sorry for the OT question.
> 
> I'm running 10.2.8 on a PB 12", and I use Image Capture quite a lot (I
> don't want to use iPhoto). I'm having some problems with it. Checking
> the Apple support site I find quite a lot of references to Image
> Capture 2.1; however I only have IC 2.0.1 (v127). I can't find any
> reference to a separate Image capture 2.1 download. Can someone with
> 10.3 check their version of IC, please? Is IC 2.1 only available as
> part of Panther?
> 
> Tom Burke
> 

On 10.3.3, Image Capture reports version "2.1.0"...

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Re: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 19/03/04 08:01, Norm Kamp at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:35:52 -0500
 Subject: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc
 From: Norm Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
 What is the best way to network?On line discussion states that
 an  Apple AirPort Card will work with any wireless router.
> 
>> on 18/03/04 17:26, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
>>> I have Earthlink - runs through a Linksys router (wired), and I also
>>> have a wireless D-Link router acting as an access point. Airport cards
>>> installed in a Titanium and a Pismo, also WaveLAN wireless PCMCIA
>>> cards
>>> in a Lombard and 5300. So to answer your question, any wireless router
>>> will work.
> 
> On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 01:15  AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind that some wireless access points won't support AppleTalk
>> packets (Linksys won't)...
>> 
>> -Laurent.
> 
> Question: Will other wireless access points support Apple Talk Packets
> ?(Other than Linksys)

I think that *SOME* Netgear models will support them. The best thing is to
check with the manufacturer. Asante also supports them. They've been
supporting the Macintosh for many years and their products are compatible.

-Laurent.
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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Andrew]

You need it because those viruses fake the sender's address, so you 
might get something from someone you "trust", which is really a virus, 
then not being able to open the "photo" that your "friend" sent, you 
reply asking him or her to send it again only now your friend's 
computer (which runs Windows) is infected by that virus that YOU sent.

Not only that, but the SMTP worms are only the latest threat, there are 
plenty of older and different pieces of malware out there, and while a 
Mac cannot be infected by Windows code, it can spread it as described 
above.  Also, while there aren't any OS X virii yet, there will be.  I 
used to think the same in the System 7.5.1 days and didn't bother with 
antivirus, until I got hit by the Autostart worm which after going 
unnoticed for a week or two rendered most of my documents damaged or 
useless (It randomely replaced ones with zeros).

I won't use ANY computer without antivirus, even a Mac.

Andrew



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EVERYONE needs antivirus software, not necessarily for YOUR Mac, but 
for EVERYONE ELSE who uses Windows.  A Mac can very easily forward a 
virus
I'd be interested in hearing more of your take on this. Most of this 
recent rash of viruses have their own SMTP engines and require an IA32 
processor and Windows to run. The only time that I would say that it 
would be a MUST would be if you were allowing your Mac to be used as 
an email server that people with Windows connected to via POP3, IMAP 
and or SMTP. However, I'm not sure if any of the Mac AV software 
packages would be what you would run in a case like that. (I'll admit 
that I'm not familar with any of them, so I'm assuming that they are 
more desktop oriented than server oriented)

Steve Fuller

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Re: OS 10.3.3

[Luis Sequeira]

10.3.3. on a Pismo.
It claims that networked servers will appear in the sidebar. But that
applied before in my 3.2. Can't discern any changes - good or bad. What
should I be looking for? (I'd love to be able to make appearance
changes - fonts etc - in iCal). TONY
Only networked servers that were connected by entering their address 
directly (or by selecting from the favorite servers list) used to 
appear in the sidebar (and on the desktop).

If you used the Network button in the sidebar or the browse button in 
the "Connect to server" dialog to find a server, then it would NOT 
appear in the sidebar.
This has (at last!) been fixed  in 10.3.3 (this strange behavior had 
been introduced with 10.3).

Luis

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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[K]

Steve Fuller wrote:

EVERYONE needs antivirus software, not necessarily for YOUR Mac, but 
for EVERYONE ELSE who uses Windows.  A Mac can very easily forward a 
virus


I'd be interested in hearing more of your take on this. Most of this 
recent rash of viruses have their own SMTP engines and require an IA32 
processor and Windows to run. The only time that I would say that it 
would be a MUST would be if you were allowing your Mac to be used as 
an email server that people with Windows connected to via POP3, IMAP 
and or SMTP. However, I'm not sure if any of the Mac AV software 
packages would be what you would run in a case like that. (I'll admit 
that I'm not familar with any of them, so I'm assuming that they are 
more desktop oriented than server oriented)

Steve Fuller



Right...I would also like some clarification here...my son and I have 
had major fights over this...he insists that A/V for the Mac is a scam 
and a waste of money.  Says that it is all a hoax perpetrated by the 
A/V companies for $$$.  I have rec'd at least 1 of those new Windows 
viral attachments a day for the last 3 weeks and immediately delete 
them...He maintains that there are no such things as Mac virus's and 
that a Windows virus can't be passed on by a Mac and if one can, any 
Windows user that gets a virus either supposedly passed on from a Mac 
or some other Windows user deserves what they get if they aren't using 
the latest A/V updates.  Anyone know for sure whether a Mac can pass 
on a Windows virus?
Regards,
Mike


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Re: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc

[Norm Kamp]

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:35:52 -0500
Subject: Pismo & Apple's Airport Card & Earthlink Cable Svc
From: Norm Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What is the best way to network?On line discussion states that  
an  Apple AirPort Card will work with any wireless router.

on 18/03/04 17:26, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have Earthlink - runs through a Linksys router (wired), and I also
have a wireless D-Link router acting as an access point. Airport cards
installed in a Titanium and a Pismo, also WaveLAN wireless PCMCIA  
cards
in a Lombard and 5300. So to answer your question, any wireless router
will work.
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 01:15  AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Keep in mind that some wireless access points won't support AppleTalk
packets (Linksys won't)...
-Laurent.
Question: Will other wireless access points support Apple Talk Packets  
?(Other than Linksys)

Norm Kamp
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Re: Pismo DVD

[Thomas Ethen]

I would guess that most people on this list at least, are upgrading their
DVD modules and keeping them with one of those listed in the archives. That
is why they are so hard to come by now.

Tom

on 3/19/04 1:37, raoul reyes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> a couple of years back (search archives, i can't remember the guys
> name) i gave my dead pismo dvd player to someone on this list.  he said
> he just needed the ribbon cable. i know it's a long shot but he might
> still have the case and willing to part with it.
> 


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Re: OS 10.3.3 (anti-virus question)

[Steve Fuller]

EVERYONE needs antivirus software, not necessarily for YOUR Mac, but 
for EVERYONE ELSE who uses Windows.  A Mac can very easily forward a 
virus
I'd be interested in hearing more of your take on this. Most of this 
recent rash of viruses have their own SMTP engines and require an IA32 
processor and Windows to run. The only time that I would say that it 
would be a MUST would be if you were allowing your Mac to be used as an 
email server that people with Windows connected to via POP3, IMAP and 
or SMTP. However, I'm not sure if any of the Mac AV software packages 
would be what you would run in a case like that. (I'll admit that I'm 
not familar with any of them, so I'm assuming that they are more 
desktop oriented than server oriented)

Steve Fuller

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OT : Image Capture v2.1

[Tom Burke]

Sorry for the OT question.

I'm running 10.2.8 on a PB 12", and I use Image Capture quite a lot (I 
don't want to use iPhoto). I'm having some problems with it. Checking 
the Apple support site I find quite a lot of references to Image 
Capture 2.1; however I only have IC 2.0.1 (v127). I can't find any 
reference to a separate Image capture 2.1 download. Can someone with 
10.3 check their version of IC, please? Is IC 2.1 only available as 
part of Panther?

Tom Burke

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Re: Sound advice needed

[Susan Platter]

Headphones, every time! You hear effects that you missed when you 
listened with speakers. Also, in a hotel, your neighbours will be 
grateful for the lack of that subwoofer! :D
Susan
Swindon, Wiltshire
England

On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 08:30  pm, G-Books wrote:

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From: Kurt Appling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound advice needed
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:25:26 -0500
RE; I dont know about the speakers in the 17in, but on average, i
really dont know any laptop with good built in speakers for music.the
answer is usually a good set of headphones for traveling
jsut my opinion of course.  best wishes
On Mar 17, 2004, at 6:05 PM, Tom Meade wrote:

For setting up to play tunes in hotel room, etc. Any
advantages, other than storage limits and Visualizer
performance, for audio performance on PowerBook
vs. iBook? Does either do a better on mid-high range
letting me leave the satellites at home and just lug a
subwoofer? Can anyone recommend a lighterweight
woofer? What's your overall favorite travel sound setup?
Thanks, listeners!
Tom Meade
Pacific Palisades, Calif.


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