Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/24/05 10:34 PM, "Geoffrey Loeffler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> I swore off apple but busted down and got 2 iPods and 2 iBooks for my
> wife and one of my kids. I called Apple Care and said I need to get a
> copy of the 10.3.7 update, lady snaps did you sign up yet, well no I
> need the software. So dealt with her, then she said we might as well
> get the iPods signed up, well I already paid for that, I don't see it.

Applecare is a hardware warranty.  Not a "hand holding service."
You need to register to reap the benefits of Applecare.

> I asked Apple Care if they could send a disk with these updates on
> there, I would pay for shipping and any reasonable costs. The new
> tomato on the phone said it's not Apples fault that you do not have the
> capability to down load a 100 meg file.

Applecare is a hardware warranty.  Not a "hand holding service."
 
> Now I really want a G5, tricked out it will run between 5 to 10K. When
> Apple Care got nasty because I needed a upgrade disk and I mean snotty,

Applecare is a hardware warranty.  Not a "hand holding service."  They are
not required to supply CD versions of software to a customer.  If you don't
have a fast enough connection then get one...or go rent one at your local
Kinko's for less than the shipping costs would've been.  It is not Apple's
fault.

> One more thing, if you think there is a problem get it fixed before the
> last year of Apple Care and for sure the last 6 months. Less then 6
> months they will blame it on a spilled liquid sometime in the last 6
> months and Apple does not cover that.

This is a joke right?  This is slander.  Can you back this up with evidence?
No?  I didn't think so.  You must be FREAKING kidding me. I am an Apple
Certified Technicianand no where in my training did I learn of this
practice.  Never have I experienced it in my entire career. I look at a book
and diagnose it.  I then order the part.  Apple can not tell me to say one
thing or another.  It is a WARRANTY.  Now if I open the book and smell
coffee and see liquid then yes, I must be honest and decline the warranty
work.  But that has only happened a couple of times.

I am an authorized Service Provider. It is me that you are speaking of.  I
do the work daily.  You sound like something is not right in your head.

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usb and card issues

[Jacob]

Hi all,
I'm having a few issues on my iBook (running 10.3.7) and SD cards.

The first problem is have is copying files to the card via a no-name
mp3 player. The drive mounts fine and I can copy files from the drive
no problems. When I try to copy *to* the drive the computer completely
freezes up and a reboot is needed. This has happened in the past using
a friends USB hard drive. The card works perfectly when connected
through my camera so that's not the issue. Is there any way to stop
the computer from freezing, or to recover from a freeze?

The second problem is that I cannot fill the card up completely. For
example, finder reports there is 72MB free and I cannot copy any more
files over. Running df in the terminal confirms there is free space as
it is at 85% capacity.

I have read somewhere that OS X doesn't allow users to completely fill
disks as a safety measure, but I only thought this applied to the boot
disk for swap space reasons. I have tried copying the files over using
the terminal as a super user (sudo) but I still get the "disk is full"
message. Is there any way around this?

I apologise if this is OT but I don't know of any OS X mailing lists
TIA

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"End of Life"?

[Claire Hart]

Oops.  Here's more from LEM/Charles Moore's article:
"In addition, Asustek will also start shipping iBook G5 notebooks to 
Apple in the second quarter of this year."  And "PowerBook G5, Quanta 
Computer, 30k-50k/month, 2Q 2005." I'm skeptical. I don't think a 
PowerBook G5 is that close to production, let along an iBook G5. A typo 
perhaps? Or has there been a breakthrough in cooling the G5 for laptop 
use that Apple and IBM haven't been letting on?

I found this at   http://www.lowendmac.com/bookrev/05/0121.html
What do you think?
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"End of life"?

[Claire Hart]

Charles Moore's "The 'Book Review" of 1/21/05 (from LowEndMac) quotes 
Lionel from Hardmac:  "We have just been informed that PowerBooks as 
well as eMac SuperDrive have been declared "End of Life" at the FNAC."  
Following that lead, I found that Hardmac's site (I've never been there 
before) says:

An independent European source has confirmed that the following 
machines have been "end of life'd" :
 Powerbook G4 12" 1.33 GHz combo (M9183*/A)
 Powerbook G4 12" 1.33 GHz Superdrive (M9184*/A)
 Powerbook G4 15" 1.33 GHz Combo (M9421*/A)
 Powerbook G4 15" 1.5 GHz Superdrive (M9422*/A)
 Powerbook G4 17" 1.5 GHz Superdrive (M9462*/A)
 In short, the whole Powerbook range is up for a refresh.
 [Update]: another source from Australia has confirmed it. There is an 
additional comment given by Apple regarding the current status: "AFSI", 
meaning Awaiting Further Shipping Information.

I've gathered that a G5 PowerBook is a long way off.  What do you think 
will replace the above PowerBooks?

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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Geoffrey Loeffler]

Apple Care is terrible, the last 3 years there like dealing with, I 
can't think of anyone worse. They love to fly the flag of best in the 
business as we all flooded the consumer reports site and voted Apple 
excellent. They have lied to me, damaged my equipment and lied to me 
more, and every step they were rude, crude and just do not care.

I swore off apple but busted down and got 2 iPods and 2 iBooks for my 
wife and one of my kids. I called Apple Care and said I need to get a 
copy of the 10.3.7 update, lady snaps did you sign up yet, well no I 
need the software. So dealt with her, then she said we might as well 
get the iPods signed up, well I already paid for that, I don't see it. 
Well if I get my software update,,,maybe you will. it's 100 megs and I 
am at another house in another state all I have a dial up, all totaled 
the upgrades were closer to 200 megs.

I asked Apple Care if they could send a disk with these updates on 
there, I would pay for shipping and any reasonable costs. The new 
tomato on the phone said it's not Apples fault that you do not have the 
capability to down load a 100 meg file. I said, Apple has done this in 
the past remembering way back to 8.1 to 8.6, they sent me a copy on a 
disk that said will work on a 7200 only, but don't worry it will work 
on your machine. It did and that was Apple Care back then. Happy 
friendly, these people are like, rotten tomatoes.

Now they hold your machine, tick, tick, tick, goes the days off your 
Apple Care 3 year love affair. That works in the equation, you should 
ask for the days back as your losing coverage at there fault.

I have even talked with Gwendolyn Wells, the head of Apple Care World 
Wide Operations in the mother ship. She even said her office was next 
to Steves, really. The whole attitude of KMA was the same through the 
whole food chain of Apple Care personnel, right up to her and she was 
the Queen of rude. I did not get rude or crude, actually other then the 
system 8 disk I have never had to use Apple Care. Till the PowerBook 
rip off.

The sales people are great, I even called back and wanted the 
supervisor for the sales dept. I got the middle guy and told him sorry 
I need the manager, he was dancing, but just kept nicely saying this is 
the man I need. I won and got the guy, I thanked him for training these 
xmas fill in sales help so well and mentioned the name of the person I 
dealt with.
I think it's important to let managers know real good and real bad.

Now I really want a G5, tricked out it will run between 5 to 10K. When 
Apple Care got nasty because I needed a upgrade disk and I mean snotty, 
I just said I will wait to get a good used one from someone who has 
worked the bugs out and takes care of them the way I do. Apple Care is 
the worst part of Apple, now please.. I know  thousands of of people 
will say I got mine just fine. Well good for you. However look at 
Apples RMAs or recalls, most everyone came from court actions. I have 
grown sick of Apple but like the system and especially the people who 
own and use them. Just pray you got a good one, if not good luck, the 
squeaky wheel gets oiled.

Also do not expect much complaints on the Apple boards, they monitor 
them very closely. Even lists like this. When I was really hot over the 
PowerBook rip-offs, there was a poster who responded with words only 
someone working on my PBs would have known and they posted a nasty 
note.

Oh yeah when can you expect your book. Apple has had some problems with 
the vendors who supply Apple with its parts. There is a back log of 
orders and be assured the vendors for Apple are working 24 hours to 
fulfill the needs of our customers. Be assured Apple is monitoring the 
situation closely and will advise you when the expected date of return 
will be. Apple wants to thank you for your patience during this time of 
unexpected delays.

Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but Apple Care IS Bad News 17 days for 
a screen, what kind of moronic planning is that
Tick Tick Tick.
Call them, ask for a supervisor, don't get yelling and screaming, even 
though you may at times feel the urge and ALWAYS start a conversation 
with can I have your name and ext number, I like to work with good 
people. Otherwise if the conversation turns negative you have the name 
of the person.

One more thing, if you think there is a problem get it fixed before the 
last year of Apple Care and for sure the last 6 months. Less then 6 
months they will blame it on a spilled liquid sometime in the last 6 
months and Apple does not cover that.

Good luck
Geoff


On Jan 24, 2005, at 8:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I too am waiting on a LCD replacement on a 14.1" ibook.  I've heard
different stories regarding the date which this repair will be 
completed.
Tomorrow will be two weeks for me.  Just wanted to chime in and let you
know that you are not alone.

Simon
I would like to repose the question in the title of this.  How long
should it take?
I've waite

Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Andrew F.]

That $400 LCD is still $400 when Apple doesn't have one for three weeks, or
worse yet, when they refuse to repair their defective product due to
so-called "user error".

Extended warranties are rarely a good value, and AppleCare is no exception.
If the LCD went out on my 12" G4, I'd find a used LCD to replace it with,
and certainly wouldn't buy it from Apple.

Andrew


On 1/24/05 10:11 PM, "Kyle Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/24/05 9:41 PM, "Andrew F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
> Cybertrough:
> 
>> Very strong arguments to forgo the expensive AppleCare, and perhaps use the
>> money on a used laptop to serve as backup.
> 
> That is a ridiculous statement.  I have clients sending in there laptops to
> Apple all the time.  Dozens of them.  The most common turn around time is 72
> hours.  This is an ISOLATED incident.
> 
> And buying a $400 LCD would be a better buy?
> 
> One should, however, always have a backup computer.
> 
> Kyle Hansen



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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/24/05 9:41 PM, "Andrew F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> Very strong arguments to forgo the expensive AppleCare, and perhaps use the
> money on a used laptop to serve as backup.

That is a ridiculous statement.  I have clients sending in there laptops to
Apple all the time.  Dozens of them.  The most common turn around time is 72
hours.  This is an ISOLATED incident.

And buying a $400 LCD would be a better buy?

One should, however, always have a backup computer.

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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Andrew F.]

Very strong arguments to forgo the expensive AppleCare, and perhaps use the
money on a used laptop to serve as backup.

Andrew


On 1/24/05 9:30 PM, "Aaron Willems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My 12" PowerBook has been in the shop for over a week.
> They told me before I checked it in, that they were
> backordered on parts. They quoted 2 weeks. It seems the
> whole system is back ordered for parts. So I'm sure your
> not the only one suffering. Hang in there.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:51:12 -0800 (PST)
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I too am waiting on a LCD replacement on a 14.1" ibook.
>> I've heard
>> different stories regarding the date which this repair
>> will be completed.
>> Tomorrow will be two weeks for me.  Just wanted to chime
>> in and let you
>> know that you are not alone.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>>> I would like to repose the question in the title of
>>> this.  How long
>>> should it take?
>>> I've waited 17 days as of today for my iBook to be done.
>>> i won't go
>>> into a rant about the conversation I had this morning
>>> with an apple
>>> service rep, but they claim they are waiting on a new
>>> 14" display, and
>>> that no estimate can be given anymore on when it will be
>>> ready since
>>> whoever manufactures these displays is behind on
>>> production, and
>>> therefore no displays are available until further
>>> notice.
>>> I am glad that the apple service techs did a thorough
>>> job in going over
>>> my iBook, realizing there was a problem with the display
>>> and expecting
>>> to fix it prior to sending it back to me.  Kudos to
>>> them.  I'm also
>>> glad that this service and iBook are otherwise excellent
>>> products, thus
>>> my impatience as to when it will get back.
>>> I don't however, see why poor production and inventory
>>> planning by
>>> either the display manufacturer or apple, as the case
>>> may be, has to
>>> become my problem like this.
>>> So, once again, I'd like to know, how long should I
>>> continue to wait
>>> like this for a product I paid for months ago?  Is there
>>> truly nothing
>>> I can say or do about this as the service rep told me
>>> this morning?
>>> Brian



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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Aaron Willems]

My 12" PowerBook has been in the shop for over a week. 
They told me before I checked it in, that they were 
backordered on parts. They quoted 2 weeks. It seems the 
whole system is back ordered for parts. So I'm sure your 
not the only one suffering. Hang in there.

Aaron
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:51:12 -0800 (PST)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I too am waiting on a LCD replacement on a 14.1" ibook. 
I've heard
different stories regarding the date which this repair 
will be completed. 
Tomorrow will be two weeks for me.  Just wanted to chime 
in and let you
know that you are not alone.

Simon
I would like to repose the question in the title of 
this.  How long
should it take?
I've waited 17 days as of today for my iBook to be done. 
i won't go
into a rant about the conversation I had this morning 
with an apple
service rep, but they claim they are waiting on a new 
14" display, and
that no estimate can be given anymore on when it will be 
ready since
whoever manufactures these displays is behind on 
production, and
therefore no displays are available until further 
notice.
I am glad that the apple service techs did a thorough 
job in going over
my iBook, realizing there was a problem with the display 
and expecting
to fix it prior to sending it back to me.  Kudos to 
them.  I'm also
glad that this service and iBook are otherwise excellent 
products, thus
my impatience as to when it will get back.
I don't however, see why poor production and inventory 
planning by
either the display manufacturer or apple, as the case 
may be, has to
become my problem like this.
So, once again, I'd like to know, how long should I 
continue to wait
like this for a product I paid for months ago?  Is there 
truly nothing
I can say or do about this as the service rep told me 
this morning?
Brian
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Re: sticky keyboard

[Andrew, a Mac Freak]

Yes, that question of mine was stupid. One could guess it's completely
circumstantial.

Andrew

> I said to remove the keys based on my own experience. The sticky stuff 
> was on the keyboard and the underside of the keys. I originally tried 
> cleaning the kb with q-tips but couldn't get to the bottom of the keys.

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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[simont]

I too am waiting on a LCD replacement on a 14.1" ibook.  I've heard
different stories regarding the date which this repair will be completed. 
Tomorrow will be two weeks for me.  Just wanted to chime in and let you
know that you are not alone.

Simon

> I would like to repose the question in the title of this.  How long
> should it take?
> I've waited 17 days as of today for my iBook to be done.  i won't go
> into a rant about the conversation I had this morning with an apple
> service rep, but they claim they are waiting on a new 14" display, and
> that no estimate can be given anymore on when it will be ready since
> whoever manufactures these displays is behind on production, and
> therefore no displays are available until further notice.
> I am glad that the apple service techs did a thorough job in going over
> my iBook, realizing there was a problem with the display and expecting
> to fix it prior to sending it back to me.  Kudos to them.  I'm also
> glad that this service and iBook are otherwise excellent products, thus
> my impatience as to when it will get back.
> I don't however, see why poor production and inventory planning by
> either the display manufacturer or apple, as the case may be, has to
> become my problem like this.
> So, once again, I'd like to know, how long should I continue to wait
> like this for a product I paid for months ago?  Is there truly nothing
> I can say or do about this as the service rep told me this morning?
> Brian
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Re: Wallstreet problem

[James Sanderson]

So to avoid being redundant, what have you done so far?
J Sanderson
On 24 Jan 2005, at 20:49, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
I know, stumped me this time. Can't figure it out, tried everything.
Sometimes tech's don't even have a correct answer. I tried resetting
the PMU. Not a thing
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Lombard 9.1 disaster

[Kristina Rost]

Holy Smoke,

My PB can't find its system folder!

I had loaded 9.1 over 9.0 in order to get netscape to get paypal...

It would lock up and someone suggested I put a ~ in front of my Iomega
Driver, which I did, and rebooted...then I tried to open my old Fractual
Expressions program and it froze.

never to wake up again!

I have tried with extensions off, with a norton cd i made from my zip disc,
where I keep my norton for my g3 beige

... and it won't recognize that either!

It just clicks and goes from OS face/folder to question mark!

phooey that my expressions program won't work with 9.0
OR my ATM 4.0 deluxe, on either of my G3's

ahhh, here goes all kinds of upgrading, $$$ I really don't have and the old
programs were working fine!

Kristina


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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[john slavin]

My experience with Applecare has been good, but there was one incident 
when they were out of the particular part and it took forever to get it 
in and get it replaced.  I think it was like 3 weeks or so like your 
situation.  I don't have an answer for you, other than to say it 
happens once in a while.  If I were in your shoes, I'd probably bite my 
lip but in the end, be glad that they're fixing it.

Hang in there.
John Slavin
On Jan 24, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Brian Rule wrote:
I would like to repose the question in the title of this.  How long 
should it take?
I've waited 17 days as of today for my iBook to be done.  i won't go 
into a rant about the conversation I had this morning with an apple 
service rep, but they claim they are waiting on a new 14" display, and 
that no estimate can be given anymore on when it will be ready since 
whoever manufactures these displays is behind on production, and 
therefore no displays are available until further notice.
I am glad that the apple service techs did a thorough job in going 
over my iBook, realizing there was a problem with the display and 
expecting to fix it prior to sending it back to me.  Kudos to them.  
I'm also glad that this service and iBook are otherwise excellent 
products, thus my impatience as to when it will get back.
I don't however, see why poor production and inventory planning by 
either the display manufacturer or apple, as the case may be, has to 
become my problem like this.
So, once again, I'd like to know, how long should I continue to wait 
like this for a product I paid for months ago?  Is there truly nothing 
I can say or do about this as the service rep told me this morning?
Brian


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Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Brian Rule]

I would like to repose the question in the title of this.  How long 
should it take?
I've waited 17 days as of today for my iBook to be done.  i won't go 
into a rant about the conversation I had this morning with an apple 
service rep, but they claim they are waiting on a new 14" display, and 
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to fix it prior to sending it back to me.  Kudos to them.  I'm also 
glad that this service and iBook are otherwise excellent products, thus 
my impatience as to when it will get back.
I don't however, see why poor production and inventory planning by 
either the display manufacturer or apple, as the case may be, has to 
become my problem like this.
So, once again, I'd like to know, how long should I continue to wait 
like this for a product I paid for months ago?  Is there truly nothing 
I can say or do about this as the service rep told me this morning?
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Re: sticky keyboard

[Jeff Hubatka]

On Jan 24, 2005, at 6:07 PM, G-Books wrote:
Subject: Re: sticky keyboard
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:51:18 -0600
From: "Andrew, a Mac Freak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ok, but why should I need to remove all the keys, like so many ppl have
suggested?  Its not all over the keyboard, just in one corner, and to
tell u the truth...I don't know exactly what fell beneath the keyboard
that made it stickey.  The main part of the stickyness is on the corner
of the keyboard, in range of a small paintbrush, and the rest is in
_very_ small portions throughout the left side of the keyboard, so it
sounds like just dipping it over and over in water, getting that one
part w/ a paint brush, and leaving it to dry for days should work.
I said to remove the keys based on my own experience. The sticky stuff 
was on the keyboard and the underside of the keys. I originally tried 
cleaning the kb with q-tips but couldn't get to the bottom of the keys.

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Re: Wallstreet problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 24/01/05 21:48, Jared Noska at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I know, stumped me this time. Can't figure it out, tried everything.
> Sometimes tech's don't even have a correct answer. I tried resetting
> the PMU. Not a thing
> 
>> on 24/01/05 20:26, Jared Noska at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>>  Hi --
>>> 
>>>  My Wallstreet flat out will not start up. What' s up?
>>>  thanks---
>>>  --
>>>  Jared Noska
>>>  Macintosh PowerBooks
>>>  Repairs/Upgrades
>>>  Sumner, Iowa
>> 
>> Are you serious? Not that I want to pick up on you, but I find it rather
>> ironic that you advertise yourself as doing repairs and upgrades to
>> PowerBooks, yet you Wallstreet doesn't start up and you ask for help!
>> 
>> That being said, have you tried the 3 fingers salute (Command + Control +
>> Power)? Have you tried to reset the PMU?
>> 
>> -Laurent.

No problem. Have you tried removing the battery? Do you know if the PRAM
battery is still good?

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Re: Wallstreet problem

[Jared Noska]

I tried that and still nothing
 > Hi --
 My Wallstreet flat out will not start up. What' s up?
 thanks---
I would reset it and then try
Shift -> fn -> Contr -> power key
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Re: Wallstreet problem

[Jared Noska]

I know, stumped me this time. Can't figure it out, tried everything. 
Sometimes tech's don't even have a correct answer. I tried resetting 
the PMU. Not a thing

on 24/01/05 20:26, Jared Noska at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi --
 My Wallstreet flat out will not start up. What' s up?
 thanks---
 --
 Jared Noska
 Macintosh PowerBooks
 Repairs/Upgrades
 Sumner, Iowa
Are you serious? Not that I want to pick up on you, but I find it rather
ironic that you advertise yourself as doing repairs and upgrades to
PowerBooks, yet you Wallstreet doesn't start up and you ask for help!
That being said, have you tried the 3 fingers salute (Command + Control +
Power)? Have you tried to reset the PMU?
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program. Featurectomies come in two flavors, the `righteous' and the
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believes the program would be more elegant without the feature, or there is
already an equivalent and better way to achieve the same end. (Doing so is
not quite the same thing as removing a misfeature.) Reluctant featurectomies
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Re: Wallstreet problem

[Katherine Zysk]

> Hi --
> 
> My Wallstreet flat out will not start up. What' s up?
> thanks---
I would reset it and then try

Shift -> fn -> Contr -> power key
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Re: Wallstreet problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 24/01/05 20:26, Jared Noska at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi --
> 
> My Wallstreet flat out will not start up. What' s up?
> thanks---
> -- 
> Jared Noska
> Macintosh PowerBooks
> Repairs/Upgrades
> Sumner, Iowa

Are you serious? Not that I want to pick up on you, but I find it rather
ironic that you advertise yourself as doing repairs and upgrades to
PowerBooks, yet you Wallstreet doesn't start up and you ask for help!

That being said, have you tried the 3 fingers salute (Command + Control +
Power)? Have you tried to reset the PMU?

-Laurent.
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program. Featurectomies come in two flavors, the `righteous' and the
`reluctant'. Righteous featurectomies are performed because the remover
believes the program would be more elegant without the feature, or there is
already an equivalent and better way to achieve the same end. (Doing so is
not quite the same thing as removing a misfeature.) Reluctant featurectomies
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Wallstreet problem

[Jared Noska]

Hi --
My Wallstreet flat out will not start up. What' s up?
thanks---
--
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Sumner, Iowa

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Re: Playing DVDs on a Wallstreet running OSX

[John C. Swanson]

-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Dyer
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 01:31
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Playing DVDs on a Wallstreet running OSX

The Lombard and the Wallstreet were both able to play DVDs under OS 9  
by virtue of a DVD decoder chipset, in the form of a ZiVA DVD decoder  
built into the MLB in some Lombard models, or supplied in a ZV-enabled  
PCMCIA card along with the Wallstreet's DVD drive (or as part of an  
Apple Store BTO option). However, these extra DVD decoder chipsets are  
not supported by OS X.


Mplayer (at least the Linux version) has support for the Creative DXR2
which is based on the ZiVA decoder.  You could try it.  I don't have a
Wallstreet or I would try it myself.

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Re: iBook CD ROM dead, Install question. HELP

[Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail]

I have done that but no go. I see the OSX as an option and I select the  
arrow pointing to the right but nothing.

Alex
On Jan 24, 2005, at 2:27 AM, John McGibney wrote:
iBook 500 (dual USB) 64MB of RAM, CD ROM drive dead.
OF works fine, I can do a printenv at the prompt and the boot-device
shows the correct default for new world machines as being, hd:,\\:txbi
It just won't boot. But in Target mode the disk mounts on my eMacs
desktop and in fact I can boot up my eMac using the iBook's HD while
the iBook is in Target mode.
Can anyone explain this? Since the CDROM drive is dead I can't use C  
to
startup from a CD, but I have installed Panther, while the ibook was  
in
Target mode, using my eMac and like I said it will boot my eMac right
up but it will not boot itself.

I get a flashing question mark inside a folder
Alex
Restart And hold the option key. This should bring up a list of  
available
drives. Select the HD and let it continue. Its looking for the last  
drive &
OS it started from last time it made a complete start.

John

On Jan 24, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 23/01/05 15:25, Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My internal CD ROM is dead on my ibook.
I have installed Panther using my emac's Panther CDs over firewire
(eMac and iBook connected via firewire) while the ibook is in target
mode.
It doesn't work.
Do I need retail Panther CDs or iBook CDs.
Please help.
Can you provide us with more details? What happens when "It doesn't
work"?
What kind of iBook is this? Can you boot in OpenFirmware?
-Laurent.
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do
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also
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Re: iBook CD ROM dead, Install question. HELP

[Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail]

If you mean under options, yes I did, otherwise I don't know what you 
mean.

On Jan 24, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Mike McGinnis wrote:
Alex, I don't know if this has been brought up yet.
When you initially installed OSX did you check the box
to install OS9 Drivers? This is done on using Disk
Utility.
 Just a thought. Mike
--- Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
OK I have 512MB that I bought for this iBook and I
will install it and
try it out.
But how would you explain OS9 not booting?
Let me explain the OS9 issue. I installed it over
FW, it is original
9.1 CD which came with the first release of OX and
it wouldn't boot
either, is that indicative of anything? I installed
OS9, it didn't work
so I formatted the drive and installed OSX
afterward, and that's where
I am at now, so there is no OS9 on it now.
OK I will install RAM and let you know, this is
brand new memory
(Kingston, not even opened yet) I had ordered for
this model of iBook
so if it doesn't work then it can't be RAM.
Alex
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Re: iBook CD ROM dead, Install question. HELP

[John McGibney]

> iBook 500 (dual USB) 64MB of RAM, CD ROM drive dead.
> 
> OF works fine, I can do a printenv at the prompt and the boot-device
> shows the correct default for new world machines as being, hd:,\\:txbi
> 
> It just won't boot. But in Target mode the disk mounts on my eMacs
> desktop and in fact I can boot up my eMac using the iBook's HD while
> the iBook is in Target mode.
> 
> Can anyone explain this? Since the CDROM drive is dead I can't use C to
> startup from a CD, but I have installed Panther, while the ibook was in
> Target mode, using my eMac and like I said it will boot my eMac right
> up but it will not boot itself.
> 
> I get a flashing question mark inside a folder
> 
> Alex
> 

Restart And hold the option key. This should bring up a list of available
drives. Select the HD and let it continue. Its looking for the last drive &
OS it started from last time it made a complete start.

John


> On Jan 24, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> 
>> on 23/01/05 15:25, Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail at
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> My internal CD ROM is dead on my ibook.
>>> 
>>> I have installed Panther using my emac's Panther CDs over firewire
>>> (eMac and iBook connected via firewire) while the ibook is in target
>>> mode.
>>> 
>>> It doesn't work.
>>> 
>>> Do I need retail Panther CDs or iBook CDs.
>>> 
>>> Please help.
>>> 
>> 
>> Can you provide us with more details? What happens when "It doesn't
>> work"?
>> What kind of iBook is this? Can you boot in OpenFirmware?
>> 
>> -Laurent.
>> --  
>> ===
>> =
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>> 
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>> do
>> stupid things like print people's paychecks. Compare code grinder. See
>> also
>> punched card, eighty-column mind.
>> 

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Re: iBook CD ROM dead, Install question. HELP

[Mike McGinnis]

Alex, I don't know if this has been brought up yet.
When you initially installed OSX did you check the box
to install OS9 Drivers? This is done on using Disk
Utility.

 Just a thought. Mike

--- Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK I have 512MB that I bought for this iBook and I
> will install it and 
> try it out.
> 
> But how would you explain OS9 not booting?
> Let me explain the OS9 issue. I installed it over
> FW, it is original 
> 9.1 CD which came with the first release of OX and
> it wouldn't boot 
> either, is that indicative of anything? I installed
> OS9, it didn't work 
> so I formatted the drive and installed OSX
> afterward, and that's where 
> I am at now, so there is no OS9 on it now.
> 
> OK I will install RAM and let you know, this is
> brand new memory 
> (Kingston, not even opened yet) I had ordered for
> this model of iBook 
> so if it doesn't work then it can't be RAM.
> 
> Alex

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Re: installing os9 over firewire.

[Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail]

Panther.
On Jan 24, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 23/01/05 23:53, Ben Dyer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my experience, Panther install CDs work on any machine. The disks
that came with my iBook G4 work on an iMac G3, an aluminium PowerBook
G4, and a Wallstreet (with XPostFacto). It seems to be only earlier OS
install CDs that are machine-specific.
Cheers,
Ben
On 24 Jan 2005, at 15:14, Geoff WALLACE wrote:
Hello Alex,
The eMac CD you are installing OS X from is a machine specific CD for
an
eMac.
You need to get hold of an OS X retail CD and install that over
FireWire.
This has been my experience too. What version of OS X are you trying to
install?
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Re: iBook CD ROM dead, Install question. HELP

[Alex Santos 100MB Neostrada Mail]

OK I have 512MB that I bought for this iBook and I will install it and 
try it out.

But how would you explain OS9 not booting?
Let me explain the OS9 issue. I installed it over FW, it is original 
9.1 CD which came with the first release of OX and it wouldn't boot 
either, is that indicative of anything? I installed OS9, it didn't work 
so I formatted the drive and installed OSX afterward, and that's where 
I am at now, so there is no OS9 on it now.

OK I will install RAM and let you know, this is brand new memory 
(Kingston, not even opened yet) I had ordered for this model of iBook 
so if it doesn't work then it can't be RAM.

Alex

On Jan 24, 2005, at 2:43 AM, Shawn Harley wrote:
Good call on the low memory.
May be the problem, but minimum for both Jaguar and Panther (according 
to Apple) is 128MB.

Shawn
On Jan 23, 2005, at 8:30 PM, John McGibney wrote:
iBook 500 (dual USB) 64MB of RAM, CD ROM drive dead.
OF works fine, I can do a printenv at the prompt and the boot-device
shows the correct default for new world machines as being, 
hd:,\\:txbi

Just caught the first line. 64 megs of ram isn't enough to boot into 
X.
Jaguar needs 128 megs and I think Panther needs 256 megs.

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Re: sticky keyboard

[Andrew, a Mac Freak]

Ok, but why should I need to remove all the keys, like so many ppl have
suggested?  Its not all over the keyboard, just in one corner, and to
tell u the truth...I don't know exactly what fell beneath the keyboard
that made it stickey.  The main part of the stickyness is on the corner
of the keyboard, in range of a small paintbrush, and the rest is in
_very_ small portions throughout the left side of the keyboard, so it
sounds like just dipping it over and over in water, getting that one
part w/ a paint brush, and leaving it to dry for days should work.

BTW, I wasn't thinking of using soap, but why no hairdryers?  cm-high
water entered my dad's Dell Latitude (we are all mac ppl now, that was
his last Windows machine), and I revived it with a hairdryer (again,
this was the dog's doing; he causes much computer destruction :)

Andrew

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:33:39 -0500, "Dylan Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Hey, just to add to what laurent has said--
> I would strongly advise AGAINST the use of soap- and just use water.  
> why?
> If i remember correctly, most of the parts in the ibook were actually  
> water-washed after the soldiering phase (and before the addition of  
> microchips) because of flux residue.
> Soap may be too abrasive, but water will probably not hurt the  
> keyboard. If you do any light "scrubbing" (and I suggest not, just  
> repeatedly dipping, soaking,
> or a light rub) it may lift the vitals off the board. I'd give it a try  
> though. Oh, and DEFINITELY wait for it to be entirely dry, laurent was  
> quite right in suggesting
> 2 to 3 days. If you've GOT to have it faster, try a fan. (NO HAIR  
> DRYERS!)
> 
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> > -Laurent.
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Re: stickey keys

[Andrew, a Mac Freak]

Yes, I was thinking that completely washing it should work, like they do
with compact Mac mobos in dishwashers.  To replace the whole keyboard in
the event that washing it doesn't work, I was thinking something like
this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25444&item=5159357049&rd=1
 Would this work?  I looked at the clamshell keyboard, and the cable
seems to lack some pins so it would appear that its a no-go on an iBook
G4, but the cables on this 700mhz iBook are identical to the ones on my
iBook G4, its just that the keys are more transparent.

BTW, I did also see those keyboard skins and thought they were cool too
;D

Andrew

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:43:16 +0100, "Aase Marit Waage"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi,
> 
> Isn`t it possible to take it apart and get it cleaned and dried then 
> put it back? I know I read somewhere about somebody who spilled a 
> beer and another spilled coke, in his powerbook. It is a long time 
> ago though... But again, an iBook keyboard can be cheap on eBay. If 
> you take some time looking around, it pays off. I saw one a little 
> while ago at $20, which ended a little while later.
> 
> Take a look here:
> http://search.ebay.com/ibook-keyboard_W0QQsojsZ1QQfromZR40
> 
> While doing that search, I also saw a seller selling skins for the 
> iBook keyboard. That seems just great... I think I will get one...
> 
> 
> Aase :)
> 
> 
> 
> >on 23/01/05 10:41, Andrew, a Mac Freak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >  > Hi!  I just joined this list, being a long-time member of the Compacts
> >  > list.  I have a problem:  A month or two ago, a friend of mine spilled
> >>  some soda onto my ibook G4's keyboard.  Now the keys, specifically those
> >>  on the left side, stick and take a second or two to come back up.  What
> >>  is suggested to fix this problem?  Any liquids that won't hurt it?
> >
> >There is no easy solution to this problem, I'm afraid. The best thing to do
> >would be to check on eBay and replace the iBook's keyboard. Or, you could
> >remove the keyboard, remove the key caps, and try to put the keyboard and
> >the key caps in some soapy solution. Then, rinse, and leave it to dry for 2
> >or 3 days.
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> >-Laurent.
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Re: Sticky keys

[Stuart Saunders]

Andrew,
	It depends how much of a drink your keyboard took, but I suggest you 
take it out, and holding it vertically (left side down) _gently_ shower 
it with plain water. No force; don't work the keys, that will pump 
water into the contacts. A fine paintbrush might be able to work 
between the keys. Then rinse again, and stand vertically in the fridge 
for a day or two.
	If that doesn't work, repeat, shower with a little more force, and 
work the sticky keys. Rinse, and back in the fridge.

Good luck.
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on 23/01/05 10:41, Andrew, a Mac Freak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Hi!  I just joined this list, being a long-time member of the Compacts
list.  I have a problem:  A month or two ago, a friend of mine spilled
some soda onto my ibook G4's keyboard.  Now the keys, specifically 
those
on the left side, stick and take a second or two to come back up.  
What
is suggested to fix this problem?  Any liquids that won't hurt it?

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Re: Playing DVDs on a Wallstreet running OSX

[Andrew F.]

If you want to watch DVDs, my recommendation would be to sell the Wallstreet
and buy either a Pismo, a 500MHz or faster iBook or any flavor of TiBook.
DVD playback quality on my 400MHz Pismo under Panther is excellent, all but
indistinguishable from my 12" 1GHz G4 and absolutely good enough for regular
use.  You could probably get $250 for a clean Wallstreet, and a Pismo will
likely set you back $400 or so, making it about the cheapest route to good
DVD performance under OSX.

Andrew


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> Mark Kippert said:
> 
>> I recently installed OSX on my wife's 300MHz Wallstreet. It has the DVD
>> player with PC card decoder. I forgot that OSX does not support the decoder
>> card. Does anybody have a solution to recommend?
> 
> I think the only way is upgrading to a G4 and using VLC. On the other
> hand a PB G4 (perhaps a little bit slower than a typical 500Mhz WS
> upgrade daoughter card) probably will be about the same cost.
> In case DVDs a re viewed only occasionally, I suppose reboot to OS 9 for
> watching DVDs can be acceptable, especially if you get a script to do it
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Re: Playing DVDs on a Wallstreet running OSX

[Mikael Byström]

Ben Dyer said:

>Neither does the PDQ's (also commonly referred to as the Wallstreet,  
>but actually a different model)
It's actually referred to sometimes as the Wallstreet II. Some parts are
interchangeable, but not all. I've opened the different WS's about 50
times and have another one this week. They are still usable machines if
one is cashstrapped and have effective apps.

I have a PB G4 400 now and wouldn't go back. The Titaniums are getting
cheaper and cheaper so unless it's for typing and similar I see little
reason to spend the same amount keeping a WS or PDQ up to shape than
buying a second hand Titanium.


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Re: Playing DVDs on a Wallstreet running OSX

[Mikael Byström]

Mark Kippert said:

>I recently installed OSX on my wife's 300MHz Wallstreet. It has the DVD
>player with PC card decoder. I forgot that OSX does not support the decoder
>card. Does anybody have a solution to recommend?

I think the only way is upgrading to a G4 and using VLC. On the other
hand a PB G4 (perhaps a little bit slower than a typical 500Mhz WS
upgrade daoughter card) probably will be about the same cost. 
In case DVDs a re viewed only occasionally, I suppose reboot to OS 9 for
watching DVDs can be acceptable, especially if you get a script to do it
for you.


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Re: Playing DVDs on a Wallstreet running OSX

[Mikael Byström]

Andrew F. said:

>Mplayer is another non-Apple decoder, but this and most likely VLC will
>require more horsepower than any Wallstreet can offer, unless processor
>upgraded. 
Mplayer (the proper version, not the dead end) requires significantly
less horsepower than VLC.


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Anyone here have changed lightbulb in the PB G4 series?

[Mikael Byström]

I need to know as much as possible  in order to plan for possibly opening
one up and exchange the bulbs. Hopefully it's the invertor board that's
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