Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There are many higher resolution 14 screens out there.
IBM has 1600X1200 14 panels, and I'm sure other
manufacturers do as well.

I have always been puzzled by this.
Always been a sole Mac user in a PC world I have always
ahd to try and hide my 1024 pixel issue on my PowerBook G3
while everyone else's Dell's and stuff had much more, and now
with 1280 on my 15 at work, nothing compared to the other
guys 1600 or even 1900 or whatever.
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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/16/05 5:13 AM, Larry le Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 There are many higher resolution 14 screens out there.
 IBM has 1600X1200 14 panels, and I'm sure other
 manufacturers do as well.
 
 
 I have always been puzzled by this.
 
 Always been a sole Mac user in a PC world I have always
 ahd to try and hide my 1024 pixel issue on my PowerBook G3
 while everyone else's Dell's and stuff had much more, and now
 with 1280 on my 15 at work, nothing compared to the other
 guys 1600 or even 1900 or whatever.
 
But what do you get with a 14 display with a 1600x1200 res other than the
right to say mine is bigger than yours? Do you actually get more usable
screen real estate or do you just wind up setting word to 150% magnification
so you can read the text, which of course puts you back to square one?

The PC notebook that was dumped on my desk last spring has specs that make
it seem much better than an iBook or PowerBook but it fails the usability
test. PC manufactures are still stuck in the bigger faster = better mode.
Add more features and it is better. Like Creative and all the other mp3
player goons they don't understand the whole thing is a package and less can
actually be more.

david




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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread John C. Swanson
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Subject: Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

But what do you get with a 14 display with a 1600x1200 res other than
the
right to say mine is bigger than yours? Do you actually get more usable
screen real estate or do you just wind up setting word to 150%
magnification
so you can read the text, which of course puts you back to square one?



I use my 15 1600x1200 laptop on a daily basis, with no magnification.
It is perfectly usable to be and the 5 other people at the office with
the same laptop.  At the same time we constantly get asked how we can
see our screens... but the people asking are also the ones who run their
19 LCDs at 800x600 and complain about wanting a bigger screen.  

The extra screen space is just so useful.

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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread Andrew F.
All depends on the work you do and the quality of your eyes.

Its the same issue with my 12 PowerBook.  I zoom my word docs to 140% and
usually magnify web pages, but I  still wouldn't trade it for 800X600 which
would have a similar effect, but force me to use horizontal scrolling on
most websites.

High resolution screens don't give much benefit for working in Word or on
the web, but for graphics or movies they really are nice.

Andrew


On 2/16/05 3:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On 2/16/05 5:13 AM, Larry le Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 There are many higher resolution 14 screens out there.
 IBM has 1600X1200 14 panels, and I'm sure other
 manufacturers do as well.
 
 
 I have always been puzzled by this.
 
 Always been a sole Mac user in a PC world I have always
 ahd to try and hide my 1024 pixel issue on my PowerBook G3
 while everyone else's Dell's and stuff had much more, and now
 with 1280 on my 15 at work, nothing compared to the other
 guys 1600 or even 1900 or whatever.
 
 But what do you get with a 14 display with a 1600x1200 res other than the
 right to say mine is bigger than yours? Do you actually get more usable
 screen real estate or do you just wind up setting word to 150% magnification
 so you can read the text, which of course puts you back to square one?
 
 The PC notebook that was dumped on my desk last spring has specs that make
 it seem much better than an iBook or PowerBook but it fails the usability
 test. PC manufactures are still stuck in the bigger faster = better mode.
 Add more features and it is better. Like Creative and all the other mp3
 player goons they don't understand the whole thing is a package and less can
 actually be more.
 
 david
 
 
 



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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:26 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
As far as screen size go, does anyone here have a 14 iBook?  Their 
max resolution is 1024x768, same as the 12, right?  Unless you got it 
for the SuperDrive, why would someone want the extra weight and bulk?
Let me guess, you're young and your eyes are still good, right? ;-)
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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread Brian Rule
Why get a larger one?
More processing power than the 12 model?  a laptop that I don't have 
to crouch in on my lap in order to keep it from falling off?
BTW, I wish I had sprung for that superdrive now, sure would have come 
in handy a few weeks ago.
Brian

On Feb 16, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:26 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
As far as screen size go, does anyone here have a 14 iBook?  Their 
max resolution is 1024x768, same as the 12, right?  Unless you got 
it for the SuperDrive, why would someone want the extra weight and 
bulk?
Let me guess, you're young and your eyes are still good, right? ;-)
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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-16 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Andrew F. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

High resolution screens don't give much benefit
for working in Word or on the web
Strongly disagree!
Well, if you like me want to see the bigger picture while working
and not just zoom in on a small portion, and then out and in...
I write manuals in Word on my 15 AlBook and it's just enough
where I can see WHAT I'm writing/inserting while also seeing
the actualy page layout.
I'd go mad on a 1024x768 screen.
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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 15/02/05 14:26, - drive - drift - dream - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 15-Feb-05, at 12:53 PM, Andrew F. wrote:
 
 For me it was very difficult choosing between the 12 (superdrive) and
 15
 (combodrive) this time around.  The lighted keyboard would be nice, as
 would
 the larger screen.  Also, while I do travel and like the small size of
 the
 12, I'm not a student anymore and thus do not have to carry and set up
 multiple times per day, so the 15 wouldn't be too bad.
 
 As far as screen size go, does anyone here have a 14 iBook?  Their max
 resolution is 1024x768, same as the 12, right?  Unless you got it for
 the SuperDrive, why would someone want the extra weight and bulk?
 
 Why can't they make iBooks display any higher resolutions, anyways?

I would imagine that 14 1024 x 768 LCD displays are pretty cheap these
days. As soon as they would go up, then that would mean a more expensive
iBook 14. Plus, I'm not saying that they don't exist, but I've rarely seen
a 14 LCD display with a higher resolution than 1024 x 768. Cost must be
involved.

I guess that a 14 iBook makes sense for people that want a slightly larger
image or a more actual size of what's on the screen. At 1024 x 768 on the
12, everything appears smaller than it is actually...

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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread Andrew
On 15 Feb 2005 at 14:26, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:

 As far as screen size go, does anyone here have a 14 iBook?  Their max 
 resolution is 1024x768, same as the 12, right?  Unless you got it for 
 the SuperDrive, why would someone want the extra weight and bulk?
 
 Why can't they make iBooks display any higher resolutions, anyways?
 

There are reasons for the larger screen at the same resolution, the most 
important 
being that it is easier on the eyes.  My 12 PoewrBook and 14 Lombard have the 
same 1024X768 resolution (I think the Lombard uses the same screen as the 14 
iBook), and while the available real estate is exactly the same, the 14 is a 
lot nicer 
when working at a desk or reading text.  On the 12, I end up zooming the text 
on 
most websites and usually have my word documents set to 140% magnification 
(plenty of real estate for that), and end up with nice, readable text.  On the 
14 I do 
the same, mainly out of habit, and end up with giant-size text that is a 
pleasure to 
read, but looks freakishly large.

The 12 is definitely adequate, but the 14 is just a lot more relaxing.  Of 
course, the 
price is bulk.

Andrew


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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread Andrew
On 15 Feb 2005 at 14:32, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

 
 I would imagine that 14 1024 x 768 LCD displays are pretty cheap these
 days. As soon as they would go up, then that would mean a more expensive
 iBook 14. Plus, I'm not saying that they don't exist, but I've rarely seen
 a 14 LCD display with a higher resolution than 1024 x 768. Cost must be
 involved.
 
There are many higher resolution 14 screens out there.  IBM has 1600X1200 14 
panels, and I'm sure other manufacturers do as well.

 I guess that a 14 iBook makes sense for people that want a slightly larger
 image or a more actual size of what's on the screen. At 1024 x 768 on the
 12, everything appears smaller than it is actually...
 
Thats the whole point of the 14 iBook, larger image.


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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread John C. Swanson
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There are many higher resolution 14 screens out there.  IBM has
1600X1200 14 panels, and I'm sure other manufacturers do as well.

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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread - drive - drift - dream -
On 15-Feb-05, at 2:54 PM, Andrew wrote:
There are reasons for the larger screen at the same resolution, the 
most important
being that it is easier on the eyes.
I'll take easier on the back and shoulders carrying it around, 
personally!  But I guess some people leave them parked more than me...

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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread Andrew
On 15 Feb 2005 at 15:43, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:

 On 15-Feb-05, at 2:54 PM, Andrew wrote:
 
  There are reasons for the larger screen at the same resolution, the 
  most important
  being that it is easier on the eyes.
 
 I'll take easier on the back and shoulders carrying it around, 
 personally!  But I guess some people leave them parked more than me...
 

Me too, that's why I bought the 12 PowerBook, TWICE!

Andrew


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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/15/05 2:26 PM, - drive - drift - dream - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As far as screen size go, does anyone here have a 14 iBook?  Their max
 resolution is 1024x768, same as the 12, right?  Unless you got it for
 the SuperDrive, why would someone want the extra weight and bulk?

Old eyes? I found the 14 easier to read than the 12. Also, taking
advantage of the extra size, the battery is larger so battery life is
significantly improved.
 
 Why can't they make iBooks display any higher resolutions, anyways?
 
Apple can - but keeping the iBook at 1024x768 is a way of differentiating
the iBook from the PowerBook line. Already the line is seriously blurred at
the 12 line.

david




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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread Clark Martin
At 2:26 PM -0500 2/15/05, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
On 15-Feb-05, at 12:53 PM, Andrew F. wrote:
For me it was very difficult choosing between the 12 (superdrive) and 15
(combodrive) this time around.  The lighted keyboard would be nice, as would
the larger screen.  Also, while I do travel and like the small size of the
12, I'm not a student anymore and thus do not have to carry and set up
multiple times per day, so the 15 wouldn't be too bad.
As far as screen size go, does anyone here have a 14 iBook?  Their 
max resolution is 1024x768, same as the 12, right?  Unless you got 
it for the SuperDrive, why would someone want the extra weight and 
bulk?
To have a bigger screen!.  I have a 14 iBook (the machine I'm using 
now) and have used a 12 iBook.  While the 12 has a very good screen 
I wouldn't want to stare at it for extended periods.

IIRC you can special order the SuperDrive in an iBook 12.
Why can't they make iBooks display any higher resolutions, anyways?
Because then they would be PowerBooks.  Apple runs a fine line 
between putting enough features in the iBook line and not encroaching 
on the PowerBook line.
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Re: Screen size and iBooks (was Re: New PowerBooks)0

2005-02-15 Thread - drive - drift - dream -
On 15-Feb-05, at 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why can't they make iBooks display any higher resolutions, anyways?
Apple can - but keeping the iBook at 1024x768 is a way of 
differentiating
the iBook from the PowerBook line. Already the line is seriously 
blurred at
the 12 line.
Which is why when I wanted a faster machine, my 12 PB became a 12 
iBook...since I don't  use Bluetooth and the PB didn't have a 
SuperDrive anyways, and I need something compact...

A 14 screen at a bit higher resolution in an iBook price range might 
have made me consider it a bit longer than the half second I did, 
probably still wouldn't have bought it, though.

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