Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 9:57 AM -0400 6/15/04, Kenneth Vann wrote:

>Hello All. I have some questions too.
>
>What is the last version of Airport Software that works under OS 9.1-9.2.2?

2.0.4

>Can the Wallstreet support more that one type of wireless software at the
>same time? I am referring to perhaps the Skyline and a Airport software, or
>Airport and Orinoco software. Do you just change the stetting in the
>AppleTalk Control Panel and change cards?

I'm not an expert on the subject, but the Orinoco user's manual 
explicitly states that it will **not** work with multiple drivers 
installed. You need to use one or the other.

>Are current production Airport Base Stations suitable for use on a network
>that only has Macs running OS 9.1 or earlier?

I think so, sure. However, I don't believe you will be able to get 
802.11g speed without being in OS X if that's one of your goals. 
Maybe that's not a goal, because neither of the cards you refer to 
here are 11g compatible.

If cost is a factor, and if you don't require USB printer sharing, 
you might save $200 or more by picking up a used Duel-Ethernet (Snow) 
Apple Base Station. If you go that route, make sure the one you get 
has a modem in it.

>Are their third party routers that have both ethernet connection, modem and
>which will pass AppleTalk packets?

I'm not sure about all three, but the first two requirements whittle 
the field down to about 3 choices that I know of:
* Apple's ABS of course
* the SMC7004AWBR 
* 3Com Office Connect 56K LAN Modem, Model # 3C886 (don't have a 3com 
URL right off the top of my head)

>I have a friend who was advised to purchase a Orinoco Gold card (by 
>CDW for her Wallstreet.

An excellent choice IMPO, or any variation of that card.

>I have been able to get it working but the software is confusing for her.

You don't have to use the Orinoco software. Use Apple's v.2.0.4. I 
don't find it confusing...with the exception of needing to use a 3rd 
party connect/disconnect utility for the ABS modem.

ABS Modem Utility: 

>I advised her to try one of the Skyline cards, but she has already 
>spent $100 on this card.

No need to get a different card. But somebody sure got ripped off if 
she spent $100 for the Orinoco Classic Gold card. Those are available 
for $30-$60.

>I would like to install the Airport
>software and let her try it with out removing the Ornioco software.

Why worry about the Orinoco software? There only 3 or 4 extensions to 
drag out of the Extensions folder (and they all start with Orinoco). 
No Control Panels. One CSM and one app or alias in the Apple Menu 
Items to drag out. You can either install the Apple software or drag 
the appropriate files to the same folders that the Orinoco files were 
located. No big deal.

>She has tried the Skyline software on my PB, and likes it's simple 
>interface, but
>we are back to the money she has already spent.

Try the Apple software and see if that's any more difficult. I have a 
hard time thinking that it would be.

BTW let repeat a suggestion that I made to you a week ago. 
IPNetMonitor is an invaluable communication tool. It reads the 
throughput (input and output) for Ethernet, the Airport PC card, 
Broadband, and plain old POTS PPP. There's never any wondering about 
what's going on with the connection. And I haven't even mentioned the 
addition tools for Pinging, Trace Route, Finger, Whois, NS Lookup, 
DHCP tools and more. I can't imagine being without it. (Disclaimer: I 
have absolutely nothing to do with the writers or marketers of 
IPNetMonitor, other than being a **very** satisfied customer.) I see 
they have raised the shareware price since I paid for mine a number 
of years ago. But man is it worth it IMHO.

>She has cable, uses a Belkin router, and can connect to the other computers
>on the wired ethernet side of router by just going to the
>Chooser/AppleShare and pick the name of the other machine. With her
>Wallstreet, she does the same thing, but has to put in the IP address of
>the computers on the wired side of the router to connect. No problem
>connecting to internet from any of her 4 computers. I have put a alias on
>the Wallstreet of each hard disk she wants to connect to, and this seems to
>solve the problem, but I was wondering if I  configured the Belkin router
>wrong? This was the first time I ever configured one.

I'm failing to see what her problem is here.

>My previous experience is putting wireless on old PowerBook computers for
>use at a Mac User Group hot spot. ( I helped a retired gentlemen set up a
>PB1400/117 & OS 7.6 to surf on my Skyline card I loaned him).

You're a lot sharper than you give yourself credit for being. Setting 
up a 1400 under 7.6 is harder than setting up a Wallstreet under OS 
9. However connecting to an existing network (Hot Spot) is a lot 
easier than configuring your own network and base station.

Hope This Helps,

Bob

Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Kenneth Vann]

Hello All. I have some questions too.

What is the last version of Airport Software that works under OS 9.1-9.2.2?

Can the Wallstreet support more that one type of wireless software at the
same time? I am referring to perhaps the Skyline and a Airport software, or
Airport and Orinoco software. Do you just change the stetting in the
AppleTalk Control Panel and change cards?

Are current production Airport Base Stations suitable for use on a network
that only has Macs running OS 9.1 or earlier?

Are their third party routers that have both ethernet connection, modem and
which will pass AppleTalk packets?

I have a friend who was advised to purchase a Orinoco Gold card (by CDW)
for her Wallstreet. I have been able to get it working but the software is
confusing for her. I advised her to try one of the Skyline cards, but she
has already spent $100 on this card. I would like to install the Airport
software and let her try it with out removing the Ornioco software. She has
tried the Skyline software on my PB, and likes it's simple interface, but
we are back to the money she has already spent.

She has cable, uses a Belkin router, and can connect to the other computers
on the wired ethernet side of router by just going to the
Chooser/AppleShare and pick the name of the other machine. With her
Wallstreet, she does the same thing, but has to put in the IP address of
the computers on the wired side of the router to connect. No problem
connecting to internet from any of her 4 computers. I have put a alias on
the Wallstreet of each hard disk she wants to connect to, and this seems to
solve the problem, but I was wondering if I  configured the Belkin router
wrong? This was the first time I ever configured one.

My previous experience is putting wireless on old PowerBook computers for
use at a Mac User Group hot spot. ( I helped a retired gentlemen set up a
PB1400/117 & OS 7.6 to surf on my Skyline card I loaned him).

Thank you.

Ken Vann







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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 14/06/2004 19:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>>In my house, the base station is on the ground floor, sitting
>>on top of a 5200 just because that is where my router/hubs are located.
>
>Yikes!  I hope the 5200 isn't turned on!  The graphite base stations 
>already have over heating problems without adding a CRT's thermal 
>emissions to the mix...
---
Well, the 5200 is turned on (it servers almost exclusively as an 
anwering/fax machine), but the Airport is sitting on the top front of the 
machine, not over the back of the case where the heat rises. It is barely 
room temperature to the touch.

Ken

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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 9:01 PM -0400 6/14/04, Gary Goldberg wrote:

>Just in case I want to use my WS in another room, will I be able
>to if I buy a[n Airport?] base station? The antenna issue has me
>a bit confused.

Don't create a problem until you know you have one. :-) Try out your 
setup when you get it up and running and see how things work (from 
various areas in  your house).

But for general knowledge, the following should help you:

The distance your Macs can communicate wirelessly with an AirPort 
Base Station is determined by the material between them. Here's a 
guide to the Interference Potential of various materials:
Wood-Low
Plaster-Low
Synthetic material-Low
Glass-Low
Water-Medium
Bricks-Medium
Marble-Medium
Paper rolls-High
Concrete-High
Bulletproof glass-High
Metal/wire-mesh within walls-Very high

Also, there is some enlightening info at D-Link regarding 
positioning. eg:  when a wireless signal hits a 6" thick wall and has 
to travel through that straight-on it sees it as a 6" thick wall...

Hpwever, if that same signal were to hit that 6" wall at a 45º angle 
- the wall then appears to the signal as a 12" thick wall...and if 
the signal has to pass through a wall at a 2º angle it see it as
something like 13 feet thick or something like that. The angles and 
number or obstructions make for serious differences.

Even if the two devices were on opposite side of the same wall, 
having them both aligned so that the signal goes STRAIGHT through the 
wall instead of at an angle can have a big effect on the reception.
This applies to both VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL positioning.



HTH,

Bob


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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 9:01 PM -0400 6/14/04, Gary Goldberg wrote:

> > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > >I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
> > >road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
> > >station right now)
>
> > I understand now what you are getting at.  The WallStreet has CardBus
> > slots true.  CardBus slots however are a superset of PC Card
> > (PCMCIA).  CardBus can handle faster transfers.  So your WallStreet
> > can use either CardBus or simple PC Card devices.  For 802.11b
> > (11Mbps) you only need PC Card.  For this the Agere or Orinoco cards
> > will work directly with Apple's Airport software under OS 9.  This is
> > what I used prior to migrating to OS X on my WallStreet.
>
>My WS manual says it's a PC card slot but the USB adapter I have
>in there is a Cardbus card, I think. Whatever.
>Anyway...assuming I reinstall the Airport software, do I need
>my Ethernet-related extensions, too?
>Will I then need any 3rd party software or will the Agere or Orinoco
>card work at a hot spot right out of the box?
>Just in case I want to use my WS in another room, will I be able
>to if I buy a[n Airport?] base station? The antenna issue has me
>a bit confused.
>
>Thanks for all who commented

Gary,
  Here's my a posteriori advice. Install your WiFi card first, then 
test it out on an existing WiFi network. Over the past week or two I 
have suggested a number of possibilities for finding one of those. 
That way you will know that everything on the computer end works 
before tacking the ABS (base station).

Then I suggest you set aside a considerable amount of time to do some 
reading. I found a slew of things that I needed to know before I 
could get my ABS operational. Especially if it's a used unit. Does it 
need to be reset? Has it already been reset? Do you need to do a 
forced reload? How do you do all of these things? Do you have the 
right Aiport software version for that particular ABS? Yada, yada, 
yada.

You ought to go to the Apple Knowledge Base support area of apple.com 
and search for every article that refers to your ABS (and there will 
probably be lots of them), from the "DesigningAirPortNets.pdf" and 
"ABS Setupxxx.PDF" manuals to System/AP software versions and 
updates.

OTOH if your ABS is new, you may not have to do much other than 
configure it for your setup. I only know that I had to spend hours 
and hours tracking down what I needed to do to get my used Snow ABS 
working with my setup. But mine had had a hard reset (I didn't know 
how to recognize that) and needed a force reload (say huh?) from a 
version of the AP software that I didn't have.

Not trying to scare you, just letting you know what you **might** face.

Good Luck,

Bob


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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Andrew Kershaw]

In my house, the base station is on the ground floor, sitting
on top of a 5200 just because that is where my router/hubs are located.
Yikes!  I hope the 5200 isn't turned on!  The graphite base stations 
already have over heating problems without adding a CRT's thermal 
emissions to the mix...

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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 14/06/2004 18:01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> >I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
>> >road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
>> >station right now)
> 
>> I understand now what you are getting at.  The WallStreet has CardBus 
>> slots true.  CardBus slots however are a superset of PC Card 
>> (PCMCIA).  CardBus can handle faster transfers.  So your WallStreet 
>> can use either CardBus or simple PC Card devices.  For 802.11b 
>> (11Mbps) you only need PC Card.  For this the Agere or Orinoco cards 
>> will work directly with Apple's Airport software under OS 9.  This is 
>> what I used prior to migrating to OS X on my WallStreet.
>
>My WS manual says it's a PC card slot but the USB adapter I have
>in there is a Cardbus card, I think. Whatever.
>Anyway...assuming I reinstall the Airport software, do I need
>my Ethernet-related extensions, too?
>Will I then need any 3rd party software or will the Agere or Orinoco
>card work at a hot spot right out of the box?
>Just in case I want to use my WS in another room, will I be able
>to if I buy a[n Airport?] base station? The antenna issue has me
>a bit confused.
>
>Thanks for all who commented

Well, I got my Lucent card from ebay, downloaded and installed the 
Airport software from the Apple site, plugged in the card and it "saw" my 
graphite base station (which I had already configured using the direct 
ethernet cable). Since I had set a password on my base station, I had to 
fiddle with that dialog box until I got it perking along. Same annoyance 
when I stuck the card in my 1400 (though it can't run the Airport 
software and I used the Orinoco software). Both are quite happy!

I even found that someone in the neighborhood has an open wireless 
connection of some kind. I was surfing on it without even knowing it, 
until I figured out my own password thing! Whether or not you can access 
a hot spot "right out of the box" depends on the protection level of the 
"hot spot" wireless access point. If it is open, and your TCP/IP is set 
to the card, you should be able to hop right in.

I am not sure what you mean by "use the WS in another room" but if you 
mean can a base station "broadcast" throughout the house, the answer is 
"probably." In my house, the base station is on the ground floor, sitting 
on top of a 5200 just because that is where my router/hubs are located. 
My WS and Clamshell both "see" the base station anywhere in the house, 
though the signal is a bit weaker upstairs. If you have a lot of heavy 
construction in the house (bricks, stucco and such) the signal will be 
weaker than if you have the normal sheetrock and such.

The base station is essentially a PC card inside a plastic case with a 
power supply (and in mine, a modem). The antenna in mine is part of the 
card, just like the one that sticks out the side of the WS. Some of the 
newer base stations have a port to connect an external antenna for added 
signal strength. If you want to reach out to "the south forty" you can 
use one of those! I don't need it.

Ken

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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 14/06/04 21:01, Gary Goldberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>>> I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
>>> road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
>>> station right now)
> 
>> I understand now what you are getting at.  The WallStreet has CardBus
>> slots true.  CardBus slots however are a superset of PC Card
>> (PCMCIA).  CardBus can handle faster transfers.  So your WallStreet
>> can use either CardBus or simple PC Card devices.  For 802.11b
>> (11Mbps) you only need PC Card.  For this the Agere or Orinoco cards
>> will work directly with Apple's Airport software under OS 9.  This is
>> what I used prior to migrating to OS X on my WallStreet.
> 
> My WS manual says it's a PC card slot but the USB adapter I have
> in there is a Cardbus card, I think. Whatever.
> Anyway...assuming I reinstall the Airport software, do I need
> my Ethernet-related extensions, too?
> Will I then need any 3rd party software or will the Agere or Orinoco
> card work at a hot spot right out of the box?
> Just in case I want to use my WS in another room, will I be able
> to if I buy a[n Airport?] base station? The antenna issue has me
> a bit confused.

After the AirPort software, you will need to re-install the Ethernet-related
extensions, since Ethernet is the protocol and AirPort will be the
transport. If you have the transport but no protocol, then it's not any
better than having the protocol but no transport.

If you get an Agere, ORiNOCO or Lucent Wavelan card, you should not need to
install any third party extension in OS 9. They should just be recognized as
genuine AirPort cards. You should be able to move your Wallstreet in another
room and connect to your future AirPort base station without any problem.
Forget the antenna issue.

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Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Gary Goldberg]

> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> >I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
> >road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
> >station right now)
 
> I understand now what you are getting at.  The WallStreet has CardBus 
> slots true.  CardBus slots however are a superset of PC Card 
> (PCMCIA).  CardBus can handle faster transfers.  So your WallStreet 
> can use either CardBus or simple PC Card devices.  For 802.11b 
> (11Mbps) you only need PC Card.  For this the Agere or Orinoco cards 
> will work directly with Apple's Airport software under OS 9.  This is 
> what I used prior to migrating to OS X on my WallStreet.

My WS manual says it's a PC card slot but the USB adapter I have
in there is a Cardbus card, I think. Whatever.
Anyway...assuming I reinstall the Airport software, do I need
my Ethernet-related extensions, too?
Will I then need any 3rd party software or will the Agere or Orinoco
card work at a hot spot right out of the box?
Just in case I want to use my WS in another room, will I be able
to if I buy a[n Airport?] base station? The antenna issue has me
a bit confused.

Thanks for all who commented

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Andrew Kershaw]

At 5:42 PM -0600 6/13/04, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
The AirPort card is a special card with something funny going on. 
It's actually CardBus, but it doesn't work in CardBus slots.  I've 
read that Apple switched a few pins around so that it will not work 
in standard CardBus slots but only in the AirPort slot.  FWIW, 
WaveLAN cards do work as AirPort cards when installed internally.
Since the Airport card is based on the Orinoco Gold card it is not 
CardBus but PC Card only.  I mention this distinction as part of the 
OPs confusion was with regard to CardBus vs PC Card.
Nope.
The AirPort card IS CARDBUS.  Excuse my yelling.
The internal slot is definitely CardBus, and the card is definitely 
keyed as CardBus, and the PC Card SDK's TuppleDumper tool treats the 
card as CardBus.

If it quacks like a duck...
It's CardBus, NOT PCMCIA.
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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Clark Martin]

At 9:30 PM -0400 6/13/04, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Actually, the first generation AirPort card uses a standard PCMCIA
connector, so you could connect one in a Wallstreet. However, since the card
expects an external antenna, You wouldn't be able to do much with it in your
Wallstreet. The cards that were, at least, in the graphite AirPort Base
Station were Lucent Silver card. Apple didn't even remove the sticker on the
cards and these had, of course, the external antenna on the card itself as
opposed to the Apple AirPort ones...
The base stations did use WaveLAN Silvers but AFAIK the Airport card 
was not standard PCMCIA.
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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Clark Martin]

At 5:42 PM -0600 6/13/04, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
The AirPort card is a special card with something funny going on. 
It's actually CardBus, but it doesn't work in CardBus slots.  I've 
read that Apple switched a few pins around so that it will not work 
in standard CardBus slots but only in the AirPort slot.  FWIW, 
WaveLAN cards do work as AirPort cards when installed internally.
Since the Airport card is based on the Orinoco Gold card it is not 
CardBus but PC Card only.  I mention this distinction as part of the 
OPs confusion was with regard to CardBus vs PC Card.
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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Clark Martin]

At 10:34 PM -0400 6/13/04, Gary Goldberg wrote:
 >There is no need for a cardbus card. I had an ORiNICO Silver card in a
Wallstreet and the card worked right off the box with the AirPort software
in OS 9.

-Laurent.
Sorry, I don't understand. Where DOES such a card go, if not in a Cardbus
slot? In an expansion bay?
Seems I deleted all my Airport and Ethernet  and networking software
when I upgraded from 8.1 to 9.1 (at a user group - I only actually have
the 9.04 CD and 9.1 upgrade download).
I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
station right now)

I understand now what you are getting at.  The WallStreet has CardBus 
slots true.  CardBus slots however are a superset of PC Card 
(PCMCIA).  CardBus can handle faster transfers.  So your WallStreet 
can use either CardBus or simple PC Card devices.  For 802.11b 
(11Mbps) you only need PC Card.  For this the Agere or Orinoco cards 
will work directly with Apple's Airport software under OS 9.  This is 
what I used prior to migrating to OS X on my WallStreet.

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Clark Martin]

At 3:41 PM -0700 6/13/04, George Mogiljansky wrote:
So there is no hack for the Airport card for the
Wallstreet for OS 9 ?

No, the Airport card while physically similar in size, shape and 
connector to PC Card (PCMCIA) is not in any way compatible.  And it 
would be unlikely that anyone would create a hack for it, there are 
far simpler solutions.

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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Andrew Kershaw]

 >There is no need for a cardbus card. I had an ORiNICO Silver card in a
Wallstreet and the card worked right off the box with the AirPort software
in OS 9.

-Laurent.
Sorry, I don't understand. Where DOES such a card go, if not in a Cardbus
slot? In an expansion bay?
It would go in the CardBus slot.  CardBus is a next generation PC 
Card and it's backwards compatible with PCMCIA-standard 16-bit PC 
Cards.  So a 16-bit PC Card (not technically a CardBus card) will 
work in a CardBus slot.

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Re: Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 13/06/04 22:34, Gary Goldberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> There is no need for a cardbus card. I had an ORiNICO Silver card in a
>> Wallstreet and the card worked right off the box with the AirPort software
>> in OS 9.
> 
>> -Laurent.
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand. Where DOES such a card go, if not in a Cardbus
> slot? In an expansion bay?
> 
> Seems I deleted all my Airport and Ethernet  and networking software
> when I upgraded from 8.1 to 9.1 (at a user group - I only actually have
> the 9.04 CD and 9.1 upgrade download).
> 
> I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
> road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
> station right now)

Apparently, I was wrong in saying that the original AirPort card from Apple
would fit a PCMCIA slot. Someone mentioned that they are cardbus cards, this
I don't know. The point is, even if you could put one in one of your PCMCIA
slot, it would still not work since the genuine AirPort cards from Apple
need an external antenna. On a Macintosh that has an internal AirPort slot,
there is also a little wire connected to an antenna inside the case of the
said Macintosh. You put the card in its slot, connect the wire et voilà!

Now, in your case, you need a card similar to the Lucent Wavelan card. I had
an ORiNOCO branded card which was just a Wavelan rebranded. Other listers
have also mentioned other cards. These cards were designed to be use in a
PCMCIA slot and they have a built-in antenna.

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Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1

[Gary Goldberg]

>There is no need for a cardbus card. I had an ORiNICO Silver card in a
>Wallstreet and the card worked right off the box with the AirPort software
>in OS 9.

>-Laurent.

Sorry, I don't understand. Where DOES such a card go, if not in a Cardbus
slot? In an expansion bay?

Seems I deleted all my Airport and Ethernet  and networking software
when I upgraded from 8.1 to 9.1 (at a user group - I only actually have
the 9.04 CD and 9.1 upgrade download).

I should mention that my intent is to be able to use my WS on the
road at a "hot spot", not at home (thus I'm not looking for a base
station right now)

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Andrew Kershaw]

Actually, the first generation AirPort card uses a standard PCMCIA
connector, so you could connect one in a Wallstreet. However, since the card
expects an external antenna, You wouldn't be able to do much with it in your
Wallstreet.
That's not true.
AFAIK, there's only one generation of AirPort card.  (Unless you mean 
AirPort Extreme to be a second generation...  but that wouldn't be 
quite right.)

AirPort cards DO NOT have a PCMCIA connector.  They have a CardBus 
connector.  CardBus cards will not fit in PCMCIA PC Card slots.  They 
are keyed differently.  PC Cards will fit in CardBus slots, but 
CardBus cards will not physically fit in standard 16-bit PC Card 
slots.

The cards that were, at least, in the graphite AirPort Base
Station were Lucent Silver card. Apple didn't even remove the sticker on the
cards and these had, of course, the external antenna on the card itself as
opposed to the Apple AirPort ones...
WaveLAN silvers were the basis for the Graphite ABS, yes (and that 
explains why only 64-bit (or 48-bit depending on your interpretation) 
WEP is supported with them.  The Snow ABS has an AirPort card in it, 
and it can be firmware upgraded (with AirPort 2.0, IIRC) to 128-bit 
WEP.

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Bigbikerbo]

Actually,

This isn't entirely correct.. The original airport card has a slightly 
different connector witha different 'lockout' pin, which prevents its use in a 
pcmcia slot.  Furthermore it's got a certain 'resistor' (required by Apple of the 
OEM), placed across 2 pins which could cuase premature power supply failure in 
any PCMCIA slot that its installed into. It was designed that way to be 
uniquly "apple".

That said, a standard PCMCIA card--such as RoamAbout (made by Cabletron), or 
a Cabletron, or a Lucent Silver, Orinoco, or Gold---all these will work 
perfectly on a Wallstreet and should work just fine with the Apple s/w..  I recently 
got a RoamAbout (think it was low $20's), and it's just as happy as can be in 
my Lombard's PCMCIA slot.

Tom.


In a message dated 6/13/04 9:30:53 PM, you wrote:

>
>Actually, the first generation AirPort card uses a standard PCMCIA
>connector, so you could connect one in a Wallstreet. However, since the card
>expects an external antenna, You wouldn't be able to do much with it in your
>Wallstreet. The cards that were, at least, in the graphite AirPort Base
>Station were Lucent Silver card. Apple didn't even remove the sticker on the
>cards and these had, of course, the external antenna on the card itself as
>opposed to the Apple AirPort ones...
>
>-Laurent.
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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 13/06/04 19:08, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> My Reply follows quote. On 13/06/2004 15:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
>> So there is no hack for the Airport card for the
>> Wallstreet for OS 9 ?
>> George
>> 
>> --- Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> on 13/06/04 16:31, Gary Goldberg at
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> 
 I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
 I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
 for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
 on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
 work when I'm out of town.
 
 They told me I'd need OS X. True?
>>> 
>>> You don't need OS X and many cards based on the
>>> Lucent WaveLan will work
>>> just out of the box, assuming you have the AirPort
>>> software installed in OS
>>> 9. In OS X, it is true that you need third party
>>> driver.
>>> 
>>> -Laurent.
> 
> Well, you can't really use the actually Apple Airport card, of
> course, as the Wallstreet has no socket for one. However, the
> Lucent/Orinoco cards use the same basic chip set and run on the
> Wallstreet as though they are Airport cards.

Actually, the first generation AirPort card uses a standard PCMCIA
connector, so you could connect one in a Wallstreet. However, since the card
expects an external antenna, You wouldn't be able to do much with it in your
Wallstreet. The cards that were, at least, in the graphite AirPort Base
Station were Lucent Silver card. Apple didn't even remove the sticker on the
cards and these had, of course, the external antenna on the card itself as
opposed to the Apple AirPort ones...

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Andrew Kershaw]

Is there any way to make the 3rd party rebranded cards work with the 
AirPort software? I've got both an IBM branded and a Cabletron 
branded WaveLAN card which appear to be identical to the 'real' 
Lucent WaveLAN cards.

 The OEM cards (called WaveLAN or ORiNOCO) will work with Apple's 
AirPort drivers in OS 9 and appear to the Mac as though they are 
genuine AirPort cards.  Additionally, ANY of the 3rd party 
WaveLAN-chipset cards (except the AirPort card) will work with the 
ORiNOCO 7.2 drivers under OS 9.
Maybe.
The cards are not actually identical.  Every PC Card has a small set 
of information stored as HEX strings.  This info tells the computer 
what the name of the card is, the company that manufactured it, it's 
version, and some other odds and ends.  The 3rd party cards have 
different card names that aren't recognized by the AirPort driver. 
It may be possible to patch AirPort to get it to recognize these 
cards, however.

I've had 75% success with doing this so far.  I've managed to get 
AirPort to recognize my PCWA-C150S as an AirPort PC Card, and I can 
select it in TCP/IP, but this seems only cosmetic.  The card still 
doesn't actually connect to my base station.

But maybe you'll have better luck than I've had.
For more reading, check out this thread on AppleFritter.  It 
discusses the hack in detail.


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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Christopher Kolp]

Is there any way to make the 3rd party rebranded cards work with the 
AirPort software? I've got both an IBM branded and a Cabletron branded 
WaveLAN card which appear to be identical to the 'real' Lucent WaveLAN 
cards.


 The OEM cards (called WaveLAN or ORiNOCO) will work with Apple's 
AirPort drivers in OS 9 and appear to the Mac as though they are 
genuine AirPort cards.  Additionally, ANY of the 3rd party 
WaveLAN-chipset cards (except the AirPort card) will work with the 
ORiNOCO 7.2 drivers under OS 9. 
   

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Andrew Kershaw]

I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
work when I'm out of town.
	They told me I'd need OS X. True?
The sheer amount of FUD out there about these things is astounding.
If you want to use a CardBus card, you'll need OS X (as no Wireless 
(a, b, or g) CardBus cards exist with drivers for OS 9, AFAIK). 
There are plenty of non-3rd party solutions remaining for OS 9, 
however.

MacWireless makes a nice card that they support with drivers in OS 9. 
The card will work on anything from a 190 up.

Farallon (now Proxim) makes the SkyLINE which also works in OS 9 on a 
190 or better.

Lucent/ORiNOCO/Avaya/Agere/whoevertheyaretoday (now actually owned by 
Proxim - the same guys that bought Farallon) make the "silver" and 
"gold" series of cards (sometimes called WaveLAN and sometimes called 
ORiNOCO).  These cards have been cloned a thousand times by people 
from Dell to IBM to Sony to Apple.  Apple's card is the AirPort card, 
but it will NOT work in a Wallstreet.  It only works in the internal 
AirPort slots of later Macs.  The OEM cards (called WaveLAN or 
ORiNOCO) will work with Apple's AirPort drivers in OS 9 and appear to 
the Mac as though they are genuine AirPort cards.  Additionally, ANY 
of the 3rd party WaveLAN-chipset cards (except the AirPort card) will 
work with the ORiNOCO 7.2 drivers under OS 9.

All WaveLAN chipset-based cards require 3rd party OS X drivers.
I run a bunch of WaveLAN-based cards in my Macs.  I've got a Sony 
PCWA-C150S card with a nice stubby antenna, 2 ORiNOCO Silvers, and 2 
WaveLAN silvers.  I've also got a SkyLINE 2 Mb card that I haven't 
set up yet.  It'll get stuck in one of my 5300s at some point, I'm 
sure.  My two Wallstreets and my Pismo all run Apple's AirPort 
software.  When I insert the ORiNOCO or WaveLAN cards, the cards 
appears on the desktop as "AirPort PC Card" and the AirPort software 
"just works."  I should point out that AirPort does not recognize 3rd 
party WaveLAN cards like the IBM High Rate Wireless PC Card or the 
Dell TrueMobile 1150.  On my 5300s, AirPort isn't supported, so I run 
the ORiNOCO drivers.  The ORiNOCO 7.2 drivers recognize ALL WaveLAN 
based cards as being "ORiNOCO" cards.

The AirPort card is a special card with something funny going on. 
It's actually CardBus, but it doesn't work in CardBus slots.  I've 
read that Apple switched a few pins around so that it will not work 
in standard CardBus slots but only in the AirPort slot.  FWIW, 
WaveLAN cards do work as AirPort cards when installed internally.

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 13/06/04 18:41, George Mogiljansky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> So there is no hack for the Airport card for the
> Wallstreet for OS 9 ?

If the card is based on the Lucent chipset, there is no hack needed. ORiNOCO
and Agere cards are most likely compatible. An ORiNOCO Silver or Gold card
should be fully compatible (heck, the silver card was the one in the
Graphite AirPort Base Station, I know I opened mine). Any other card might
require a custom driver. But, if you only need 802.11b (not Extreme), then
you should be able to find a Silver or a Gold pretty cheaply on a place like
eBay. There is absolutely no need to get a more sophisticated card. If you
want AirPort Extreme compatible card, then you'll have to upgrade to OS X
and get third party drivers. I'm pretty sure that the AirPort software on OS
9 won't support Extreme.

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 13/06/04 18:38, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 2:09 PM -0700 6/13/04, Ken wrote:
>> My Reply follows quote. On 13/06/2004 13:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>> 
>>> I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
>>> I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
>>> for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
>>> on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
>>> work when I'm out of town.
>>> 
>>> They told me I'd need OS X. True?
>> ---
>> Why, of course! Why should you doubt the word of a retailer?!
>> 
>> Except that I shopped ebay, and found a "new, in box" Lucent
>> (Orinoco) Gold card,for $40.49, shipped, stuck in my Wallstreet
>> (OS 9.2) opened the already installed AirPort software, and it
>> connected immediately to my Graphite base station.
> 
> Except that Orinoco Gold is probably not CardBus.  If you want to use
> native software (ie Airport s/w) under OS X it does need to be an
> 802.11g card which will likely be CardBus.  I don't know if the OS 9
> Airport software will work with an 802.11b card.
> 
> So the question is whether or not you really need a CardBus card.

There is no need for a cardbus card. I had an ORiNICO Silver card in a
Wallstreet and the card worked right off the box with the AirPort software
in OS 9.

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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 13/06/2004 15:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>So there is no hack for the Airport card for the
>Wallstreet for OS 9 ?
>George
>
>--- Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> on 13/06/04 16:31, Gary Goldberg at
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> > I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
>> > I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
>> > for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
>> > on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
>> > work when I'm out of town.
>> > 
>> > They told me I'd need OS X. True?
>> 
>> You don't need OS X and many cards based on the
>> Lucent WaveLan will work
>> just out of the box, assuming you have the AirPort
>> software installed in OS
>> 9. In OS X, it is true that you need third party
>> driver.
>> 
>> -Laurent.

Well, you can't really use the actually Apple Airport card, of
course, as the Wallstreet has no socket for one. However, the
Lucent/Orinoco cards use the same basic chip set and run on the
Wallstreet as though they are Airport cards.

Ken

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[Clark Martin]

At 2:09 PM -0700 6/13/04, Ken wrote:
My Reply follows quote. On 13/06/2004 13:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 

I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
work when I'm out of town.
	They told me I'd need OS X. True?
---
Why, of course! Why should you doubt the word of a retailer?!
Except that I shopped ebay, and found a "new, in box" Lucent
(Orinoco) Gold card,for $40.49, shipped, stuck in my Wallstreet
(OS 9.2) opened the already installed AirPort software, and it
connected immediately to my Graphite base station.
Except that Orinoco Gold is probably not CardBus.  If you want to use 
native software (ie Airport s/w) under OS X it does need to be an 
802.11g card which will likely be CardBus.  I don't know if the OS 9 
Airport software will work with an 802.11b card.

So the question is whether or not you really need a CardBus card.
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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[George Mogiljansky]

So there is no hack for the Airport card for the
Wallstreet for OS 9 ?
George

--- Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> on 13/06/04 16:31, Gary Goldberg at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
> > I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
> > for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
> > on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
> > work when I'm out of town.
> > 
> > They told me I'd need OS X. True?
> 
> You don't need OS X and many cards based on the
> Lucent WaveLan will work
> just out of the box, assuming you have the AirPort
> software installed in OS
> 9. In OS X, it is true that you need third party
> driver.
> 
> -Laurent.





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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 13/06/04 16:31, Gary Goldberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
> I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
> for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
> on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
> work when I'm out of town.
> 
> They told me I'd need OS X. True?

You don't need OS X and many cards based on the Lucent WaveLan will work
just out of the box, assuming you have the AirPort software installed in OS
9. In OS X, it is true that you need third party driver.

-Laurent.
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Re: Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 13/06/2004 13:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>   I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
>I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
>for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
>on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
>work when I'm out of town.
>
>   They told me I'd need OS X. True?
---
Why, of course! Why should you doubt the word of a retailer?!

Except that I shopped ebay, and found a "new, in box" Lucent 
(Orinoco) Gold card,for $40.49, shipped, stuck in my Wallstreet 
(OS 9.2) opened the already installed AirPort software, and it
connected immediately to my Graphite base station.

Ken

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Wall Street, Wi-fi, and OS 9.1?

[Gary Goldberg]

I called MacMall yesterday wondering if
I they could recommend a wi-fi Cardbus card
for my Wall Street since I don't want to depend
on a 3rd party card's software to get it to
work when I'm out of town.

They told me I'd need OS X. True?

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