Re: exceded maximum B tree depth
Dan, Re,: Here are the directions to do the mount: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA23941 I went to the link, down loaded the instructions, printed and studied the instructions. I've opened Terminal in (Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and looked for a place to type the command diskutil list but don't know where to type this command. Can you help? Mel --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: exceded maximum B tree depth To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:54 AM At 9:42 PM -0800 2/6/2012, Mel wrote: I would like to recover seven files/folders that were on the desk top of a HD that will no longer mount after bootup. [snip] The HD is an internal slave HD in a PowerPC 400 MHz G4 Mac desktop with 768 SDRAM and OS 10.4.11 installed. The HD has more htan 22,000 hours on it. Disk Utility checked that HD but could not repair it. Disk Utility displayed the error message: exceded maxmium B tree depth, which is apparently a directory problem. That is an error beyond the capability of Disk Utility to repair. Yea. Fsck, the unix tool underneath Disk Utility, is a bit simple minded. If I can get that HD to mount, and if those seven files/folders are readable, I can then copy them from the desk top to one or more other HD's so that I have a back up and some peace of mind.. I have Disk Warrior bought October 20, 2011 from Alsoft. Before I use Disk Warrior, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of? Disk Warrior is a great utility. It works by rebuilding the file system from the ground up, instead of trying to repair it in place. First, try mounting the volume read-only. That might be enough to get those files off it. If that fails, then run Disk Warrior. Here are the directions to do the mount: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA23941 HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: exceded maximum B tree depth
OK, I get it. I'm also going to try using DiskWarrior. --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: exceded maximum B tree depth To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:13 AM At 10:22 AM -0800 2/7/2012, Mel wrote: I've opened Terminal in (Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and looked for a place to type the command diskutil list but don't know where to type this command. Right after the $ prompt. When the new shell window opens, the cursor should be right there, ready to go. Just start typing. In the settings dialog (Terminal Window settings Display panel), you can change the cursor style to suit your visual needs... eg: dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ diskutil list /dev/disk0 #: type name size identifier 0: Apple_partition_scheme *57.3 GB disk0 1: Apple_partition_map 31.5 KB disk0s1 2: Apple_Driver43 28.0 KB disk0s2 3: Apple_Driver43 28.0 KB disk0s3 4: Apple_Driver_ATA 28.0 KB disk0s4 5: Apple_Driver_ATA 28.0 KB disk0s5 6: Apple_FWDriver 256.0 KB disk0s6 7: Apple_Driver_IOKit 256.0 KB disk0s7 8: Apple_Patches 256.0 KB disk0s8 9: Apple_HFS ST360021A 57.1 GB disk0s10 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: exceded maximum B tree depth
To all who have helped, I've used DiskWarior successfully and am now using DiskWarrrior on every HD that I have used as a spare at one time or another. I was astounded at the number of directory foul ups no doubt in major due to the accumulated history of improper shutdowns. When I get running to my satisfaction I will be using DiskWarrior as maintenance software on what ever I am currently operating. I also successfully used the terminal command to mount a read only HD. DiskWarrior is much superior but will only process HDs that are already mounted. I've been able to recover files that I had not attmpted to read for several years and didn't reallize were not recoverable, in particular, one text file in particular that I had made several hours of entries two days ago when that drive packed it in. I have my current files backed up on three different internal drives and two different external drives. Once again, thanks to the experience and knowledge offered by the group members. Mel --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Mel mll...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mel mll...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: exceded maximum B tree depth To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:41 PM OK, I get it. I'm also going to try using DiskWarrior. --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: exceded maximum B tree depth To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:13 AM At 10:22 AM -0800 2/7/2012, Mel wrote: I've opened Terminal in (Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and looked for a place to type the command diskutil list but don't know where to type this command. Right after the $ prompt. When the new shell window opens, the cursor should be right there, ready to go. Just start typing. In the settings dialog (Terminal Window settings Display panel), you can change the cursor style to suit your visual needs... eg: dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ diskutil list /dev/disk0 #: type name size identifier 0: Apple_partition_scheme *57.3 GB disk0 1: Apple_partition_map 31.5 KB disk0s1 2: Apple_Driver43 28.0 KB disk0s2 3: Apple_Driver43 28.0 KB disk0s3 4: Apple_Driver_ATA 28.0 KB disk0s4 5: Apple_Driver_ATA 28.0 KB disk0s5 6: Apple_FWDriver 256.0 KB disk0s6 7: Apple_Driver_IOKit 256.0 KB disk0s7 8: Apple_Patches 256.0 KB disk0s8 9: Apple_HFS ST360021A 57.1 GB disk0s10 - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: exceded maximum B tree depth
I've spent bout 20 hours using DiskWarrior to restore directories on various volumes. It works well. --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: From: Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com Subject: Re: exceded maximum B tree depth To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:27 AM I have Disk Warrior bought October 20, 2011 from Alsoft. Before I use Disk Warrior, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of? Not many. DiskWarrior won't proceed if it determines it can't fix the problem, but I believe this is one it can untangle. I have dealt with many drives Disk First Aid and Disk Utility couldn't repair, but DiskWarrior could. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- TODAY'S DUMB TRUE HEADLINE: Enfield Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
exceded maximum B tree depth
I would like to recover seven files/folders that were on the desk top of a HD that will no longer mount after bootup. Those seven files/folders are on an IDE 20 GB WD 200 HD which is identified as follows: MDL is WD20088, DATE is 21 Jun 2001, DCM is HSCAEGHA. The HD is an internal slave HD in a PowerPC 400 MHz G4 Mac desktop with 768 SDRAM and OS 10.4.11 installed. The HD has more htan 22,000 hours on it. Disk Utility checked that HD but could not repair it. Disk Utility displayed the error message: exceded maxmium B tree depth, which is apparently a directory problem. That is an error beyond the capability of Disk Utility to repair. If I can get that HD to mount, and if those seven files/folders are readable, I can then copy them from the desk top to one or more other HD's so that I have a back up and some peace of mind.. I have Disk Warrior bought October 20, 2011 from Alsoft. Before I use Disk Warrior, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of? Thanks in advance. Mel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
Bill, Thanks. I'll give it a try. Mel --- On Sun, 1/8/12, Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net wrote: From: Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Firefox To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 8:13 AM On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Mel wrote: I don't see any address bar in TFF. Where is it? - its the open space, below the tabs, that has the Gray Star, Triangle, and Reload symbols at the end ... the URL address window --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
Kris, Thanks for your assistance. I'm using TenFour Fox (TFF) version 9 and am configured as follows: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.6) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 400 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 2 GB Bus Speed: 100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 I am using Omniweb to play videos with mixed (unsatisfactry) results. I just scraped up enough cash and bought a used 1.8MHz accelerated G4 DA and expect it shortly. So I can continue to live with what I have until that arrives and will save your advice to try later. Alternatively, I might switch to an older version of Firefox rather than continue to use TFF. Mel --- On Sat, 1/7/12, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Subject: Re: Firefox To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, January 7, 2012, 11:00 PM On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Mel wrote: I tried that, setting up the HTML5 trial at YouTube. It doesn't work. Which browser? There's a little war about HTML5 video formats, and some browsers only support some formats. You can test your HTML5 compatibility here: http://html5test.com/ On older PPC Macs I believe the final PPC version of Safari 5.0.6(5533.22.3) currently offers the most HTML5 video compatibility. Firefox TenFourFox only support Ogg Theora WebM and don't support mpeg4 or H.264. That said, I believe YouTube uses WebM for HTML5 so both browsers should work? --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
I don't see any address bar in TFF. Where is it? --- On Fri, 1/6/12, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Firefox To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 11:18 PM On 2012/01/06 19:00, Mel so eloquently wrote: How does one enable plugins on TFF so that flash will work? Type about:config in the address bar, without the quotes, and Enter; then search for flash. I don't remember what the relevant lines are but it's pretty straightforward to enable plugins. I believe the developer documented the process somewhere on the 'net, a google search may return that result. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
I tried that, setting up the HTML5 trial at YouTube. It doesn't work. Maybe I did something wrong. Mel --- On Fri, 1/6/12, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote: From: David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Firefox To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 6:21 PM Give up on playing Flash and use HTML5 instead. You just need to set up the HTML5 trial at YouTube to use that instead of flash to see most of their videos. Flash is on it's way out. On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Mel wrote: How does one enable plugins on TFF so that flash will work? Mel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
How does one enable plugins on TFF so that flash will work? Mel --- On Fri, 1/6/12, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Subject: Re: Firefox To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 5:23 PM On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: If FF went to Intel only why say that 9.0.1 will run on non-Intel machines? It was an oversight. They meant OS 10.5 is the minimum system requirement, and Intel is also required. I assume this means it won't run on Tiger Intel? If you need Firefox 9 on your PPC Mac you'll need to use TenFourFox instead. I've had repeatable crash problems with v.9.0, and there isn't a 9.0.1 version of TenFourFox yet, so I'd use 8.0.1 for now, available at the older versions link on the TenFourFox page. If you need Flash, you'll have to enable plugins before Flash will work. --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox
OK. But where is the address bar? Mel --- On Sat, 10/1/11, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Subject: Re: TenFourFox To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 10:49 AM Yes, you have to enable plugins. I just learned how: Open TenFourFox and in the address bar type about config Scroll down to TenFourFox PlugIns and double click. This changes the default behavior of TenFourFox, which, (as a fellow Lister, Peter, just pointed out) is set to DISABLE. After making this simple adjustment, TenFourFox is behaving itself and displaying Flash media. Larry Does that mean that the latest release will not work with Flash Player 10.1? Would be a bit daft, since they're calling it TenFour. Or do you have to manually enable plugins? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which would be the better Mac?
I can't answer your question as to which CPU would be better but are you not aware that SDRAM 512 RAM 133 buss speed is very inexpensive for the DA - and can be bought for between $10.00 and $15.00 a stick? Try the LEM list. Mel --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Scotty daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: From: Scotty daniel.stewart...@gmail.com Subject: Which would be the better Mac? To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 10:18 PM Hi, I am an amateur photographer. I use my Mac for photo editing with Gimp and iPhoto 08 as well as for basic computer use like word processing, surfing, listening to music and watching movies I have a Power Mac Digital Audio 733mhz with 512 MB of RAM and I have just had the opportunity to purchase a 1.0Ghz Emac all in one. I am just wondering which computer would be more effective for my needs. The clock speed of my DA is lower but it also has more onchip cache memory so I am wondering if the higher clock speed on the Emac will actually translate into improved performance. Another appealing pro for the Emac would be for space. my office is kind of small so being able to fit the whole computer on my desk is appealing. After all the Emac is about the same size as my G3 Studio display CRT that I have the DA hooked up to. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari screw-up
Just a suggestion as I am not familiar with Safari. Download a fresh version (4.0.5) of Safari. Perhaps you will get two versions of Safari after the downoald is finished. Try running the newer download. It it runs to your satisfaction, try to delete Safari (original). --- On Mon, 1/10/11, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: From: Tom tba...@nmia.com Subject: Safari screw-up To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:32 PM A few months ago I downloaded an update to Safari and had some sort of trouble with it, so I went into Time Machine and got back the earlier version and continued to run it. When I had gone into Time Machine, it asked me whether I wanted to keep the newer version of Safari I had just downloaded, along with the older version I was retrieving, and I told it yes, just in case I could still get the trouble sorted out. So I ended up with two Safaris in my Applications folder: one named Safari, and the other, older one named Safari (original). Well, as it turned out, the only one of the two that would run without glitches was Safari (original), which is 4.0.5, so I threw the newer one away and have been running Safari (original) ever since. Today, Software Update once again suggested that I download the latest version of Sarfari, so I decided to give it another try. Upon relaunching, the new version jams. It gets halfway through the URL for the start page and just stops, so I have to quit it. Maybe the fact that my old version of Safari was named Safari (original) instead of just plain Safari had something to do with the update failing, I don't know. However, the Safari (original) 4.0.5 still launches and runs fine, so, once again, I threw away the newer version of Safari and just decided to keep running Safari (original). But I also decided that might be a good idea to change the app's name from Safari (original) back to just plain old Safari. However, the OS won't let me do it. When I click on the name and try to get rid of the word original, a box pops up saying that I don't have permission to do that. Under Get Info, it appears that I DO have permission to do that---anyone does, but it still won't let me do it. Another problem is that I can't make any aliases of Safari (original). I need to put some fresh aliases out on my desktops again (both monitors) for convenient launching, but now I can't make any. The menu choice under the File menu for Make Alias is grayed out. The attempted update apparently linked the old aliases to the trashed update, so they no longer launch Safari (original), so I have to make new ones. So, to sum up my problems, the OS won't allow me to change the name of the app back to Safari, nor will it allow me to make any aliases of it. Any ideas how I might solve these problems? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 450mhz dual
Why would partitioning and installing the system on the 60GB partition speed up the compute? Mel --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com Subject: G4 450mhz dual To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 5:41 AM CS3 has to be on the startup partition; I don’t know about Final Cut. Why not partition that 150GB drive, e.g. in 60+90, and install the system on the 60? That will most likely speed up your computer as well. If 90GB for rendering is not enough, think about replacing the 30GB internal drive by another 150GB, or bigger -- they’re not expensive anymore, and you’ll earn it back quickly by saving time! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
What ill save data is backing data on an external (or internal second HD) at least once a month. Using CCC is a cinch to do that and usual takes a very short time. Mel --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 10:29 AM On 2010/11/03 09:17, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote: I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. The last time I looked, Seagate's five year warranty was history and they were only offering three year warranties. This was on consumer level drives, perhaps their enterprise drives are different. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
If one had to provide a reason why it works on one Mac and not on another Mac of the same model, It seems more likely that it is not the difference between or among similar models Macs but the different applications used by the persons attempting to implement the changes. I suggest that those who were not successful, if interested, contact those who succeeded and perhaps the matter might be resolved with satisfaction among them. --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:40 PM I was one of the lucky ones for which it worked for me. The method I used worked for me, but like I said sometime earlier, it might not work on all PM G4 computers. If it doesn't work, then find a way round it, the possibilities are endless. My PM G4 iSaw (I call my sawtooth an iSaw for a nickname, not the USB 2.0 Saw, lol) worked with this method. Like people, All macs are different, even if their specs are the same. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Start-up
Regarding entering these three: reset-nvram (enter) set-defaults (enter) reset-all (enter) What do you enter them into? I'm using a used DP 533 G4 DA 1.5 MB DRAM that so far is trouble free. Mel --- On Wed, 3/3/10, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: From: gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Start-up To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 8:47 AM Greetings When your platform boots into open firmware, have you reset the open firmware? You can do the reset by entering reset-nvram (enter) set-defaults (enter) reset-all (enter) the reset-all will cause the platform to reboot. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca On Mar 2, 9:22 am, Norm Rowe nrow...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi my G4 has a problem. When I start up it beeps once then goes to open firmware. It will not start up from the install disk or either of my 2 internal hard drives. From opn firmfirm ware I must type mac-boot and it starts right up but only on the disk that needs repair or erase and install. How do I get past this? Any ideas? Bruce?Kyle? Norm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dual 500 G4
What is the keyboard command that allows you to re-start and then select a startup disk? Hold down the option key as soon as you hear the 'bong' at start up..After maybe 20 seconds all the drives that can be mounted will appear on the desk top and so will a spinning clock. After a while, that spinning clock will be replaced by the familiar mouse arrow. Select the HD you want to boot from and then click on the fixed arrow to the right. If the HD selected has a bootable OS, the machine should boot. Mel --- On Sat, 2/20/10, slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: From: slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Dual 500 G4 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 5:47 PM When you zap the PRAM it defaults the time. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:43:45 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Dual 500 G4 Dual 500 Mhz G4 1 GB RAM 2 internal HDs I have MenuMeters installed so that I can monitor the activity of each processor. This evening I noticed that one of my processors was not running--MenuMeters showed 0%. To remedy the situation I zapped the PRAM, did a low level reset and restarted. The G4 restarted in OS 9.2.2, and indicated that my date and time were incorrect. When I went to the Date and Time Control Panel to set the date and time, my Mac crashed. I ran DiskWarrior and it repaired several itemsthe same issues on each of my internal drives. I don't know what the problem was with my date and time, or why the Mac crashed when I tried to set it. My PRAM battery is freshyet the date showed as 1904. Strange. Thankfully, I am back to normal now. What is the keyboard command that allows you to re-start and then select a startup disk? Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: installing older software
You should be able to buy a used and sometimes new external floppy drive that connects via your USB port. They have been offered for sale from time to time for about $5.00 to $15.00 plus shipping off the L.E.M. swap list. --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: installing older software To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 7:37 AM If you can't find the download on the internet maybe you can have someone download it on their desktop and e-mail it to you as an attachment??? Or you might be able to do it from a computer in the Library... -Original Message- From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Sent: Feb 15, 2010 8:00 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: installing older software Greetings, Here is the problem: I need to install an old music notation program onto my Dual 500 mgz G4. This computer does not have a disc drive. I have a LaCie external floppy drive that can only read HD floppies. The software I need to install shipped on low density discs. How do I make the installation? Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
You asked: So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users? Here is a short answer in the form of an exaggerated metaphorical question. If you needed a car just to use for grocery shopping and your choiice was a new Mercedes for out-of-your-pocket $50,000.00 or a 1950 Ford running almost like new for about out-of-pocket $100.00 and the Ford coming with a long term almost free 'contract' to furnish labor and parts for pennies on the dollar, which would you choose? I need need a computer for my offline business, legal and personal needs. I use EXCEL (v 2.2) and WORD (v. 4.0) on a IIci I've been using since roughly 1990 having replaced an SE30 at that time. I suits my needs fine. I'm using a DP 533 G4 DA for everything else. It suits my needs fine. I've lot of spares for both. I understand that you are making argument to support a desire for the latest CPU and that is fine. Don't you think that a reasonable and compelling argument could be made to support that it would be a sharper and more worthwhile perspective to not intercede and either replace or interchange 'want' for 'need' when determining what is desirable in a CPU? E.G. These versions of OS and supporting application software are stable, are fairly bug free and easily support a host of 'needs': OS 6.0.8 (IIci); OS 9.2 (7300, G3, G4), OS 10.4.11 (G3, G4 and 7300 using XPostFacto). Mel --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net Subject: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:08 PM Hello fellows of the G-Group! I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 BW working again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working with it, in other words: it is slow. Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future... Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise. I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or working with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all running Mac OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call Classic, because I've joined the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me). But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?) All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you may be using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time when it will be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether. If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped with the release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is already 6 months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But that will be it. Dead for good. No more. The end. So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow? On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will be running on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So if Mac OS X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I think of it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the best when it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone (beginners but also experts; and geeks off course). I'm now in this situation. My G3 BW runs Tiger. I use it in my office for writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean), for making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc 3.1.1) _and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the problem. With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered security flaws are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more dangerous. Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like running Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a good idea if you ask me.) So: why bother with Gs? I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to Intel was a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are just... well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC or Intel x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference at all -- which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice anything, except that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period. To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at home and the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no longer used in the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which I do by the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual-Core
Re: Time machine or CCC?
Perhaps it would be more desirable not to schedule CCC but initiate it manually. MS --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Time machine or CCC? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 8:05 AM On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff At the *very* same time, you'll likely run into some disk contention and slowness, but otherwise yeah they're separate programs: it's just like running Word and Text edit or Safari and Firefox ... You cannot use a Time Machine volume as the destination for a CCC backup; you'll need separate disks. --Bruce Johnson Yup, there both on separate disks. I did encounter a bad problem when a CCC task came up while I was doing a disk utility wipe on the same drive once. Totally locked everything up and I couldn't recover from it on both the clone and the main boot drive/partition. I ended up doing a nuke pave. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
Here is my contribution for all to have a happier New Year. It is the procedure I have used to ensure management of decent back up of an active master file. I'm using a DP 533 MHz G4 DA with 1.5 MB RAM and currently with a 40 GB internal HD installed as a boot drive. I am a retired IBM Main Frame programmer/systems analyst from 1960 to 1991. During that time I was responsible for data base creation and maintenance, data and software management, development and design for many systems. It was axiomatic that we seldom used the word if but used the word when hard drives would crash or tapes would fail. Part of every production cycle included performance backups on a daily or multi-daily schedule. This what I have done and do to keep myself in an even keel as regards to losing data and software on an online Mac using OS 10.4.11. Processing in one's home is certainly less stringent as hard drives have long since replaced tapes and the quality and longevity of hard drives today is like the improvement of a superbly running four cylinder engine in a 2009 car as compared to the four cylinder installed in a Model A Ford circa 1929. Nevertheless, the word if should never replace the word when when contemplating the possibility of a hard drive failure when that hard drive is one's master hard drive. Accordingly this is what I do: 1- I have several external HDs mounted in external cases with their own power supply. They are connected via One of those HDs is partitioned while the others are not 2- At least once a week I use the 'backing up everything' option in CCC to back up my internal master HD to the external HD. 3- After CCC completes, I use the disk utility to repair the external HD and then Repair Disk Permissions on the external HD. 4- Then I use System Preference to select the external HD as the start up HD and restart. 5- After a successful boot using the back up external hard drive, I use the disk utility to repair the internal HD and then Repair Disk Permissions in the internal HD. 6- Then I date stamp the external hard drive with the date of the back up. 7- I then move the external HD icon to trash and shut it down. I do these chores while doing other things such as mail or making input to an ancient IIci which I've used off line since late 1989 or early 1990. [Note: I use similar procedures for backing up the internal hard drive on the IIci to one or more external hard drives. I also use SMART utility to monitor my internal master hard drive. Once every quarter, I rotate my external hard drive with another mounted in its own external case and replace it. Once a year (or sooner) I replace my master internal HD with another and date stamp the replaced hard drive. The above might sound like a lot of extra work but it is like a scheduled brushing and flossing of one's electronic teeth, in the one instance tending to preserve one's teeth and in the other instance actually preserving ones data and software and thereafter resting more easily. Mel --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Happy New Year! To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 10:00 AM On 1/1/10 11:26 AM, Dan of dantear...@gmail.com sent Happy New Year, etc etc ! ! ! ! Now get a move on! Suck down that hangover cure then BACK UP YOUR DATA Do it TODAY. Don't Delay! JUST DO IT. CarbonCopyCloner http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html SuperDuper! http://www.shirt-pocket.com/ The preceding has been brought to you by the brain cramps caused by watching too much Twilight Zone. Time to switch to Dr Who. Or maybe Buffy. Or maybe - Dan. Dr. Who, Season 3 highly recommended - avoid Buffy (after all, one wants two steps forward without the one step back ;-) esp. today. Happy New Year, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I erase one hard drive ?
Before you do anything, consider downloading Carbon Copy Cloner and using that to accomplish what you want to do. --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Jim McGee orb...@dslextreme.com wrote: From: Jim McGee orb...@dslextreme.com Subject: Re: Can I erase one hard drive ? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 9:10 AM On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:49 AM, DAN A CURRIE wrote: lanstrad wrote: I have a BW G3 on which I had installed a second HD. The old one is only 6GB and almost full... In System Preferences, I have set to boot from OS X 10.4.11 from the bigger drive (Mac OS 9 was formerly on the small drive so OS X also installed there first). The larger drive is 40GB with 32 GB already free. Can I simply wipe everything on the small drive and use it to store or back-up things without messing anything ? (Or does the OS need to refer to anything on small drive in any time ?) Sorry, this is my lack of familiarity in Mac's world ;-) Thanks, Rob Sure, Insert your install disk, go to Disk Utilities, select the drive you want to erase, erase, partition if you like and then restart. You can also copy what you want to save from the 6GB to the 40GB and then erase it. or you can just take everything to the trash and empty. Dan II You should also be able to use your bigger (40Gb) boot drive's Disk Utilities to erase the smaller drive without the need to use an install disk. Jim McGee -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade G 3
I used XPostFacto to install OS 10.2 in a 7300-180 and then used a normal download to upgrade to 10.2.8. Ran it for three plus years with no problems before phasing out the 7300 for a G4 Sawtooth in which I installed 10.4.11. Mel --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Jorge Quiroz jorjo.under.my.s...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jorge Quiroz jorjo.under.my.s...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Upgrade G 3 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 2:50 PM first, you need to tell us what specific Mac you have.If you have a Beige Power Mac G3 you can go up to 10.2 Jaguarand if you have a Power Mac G3 Blue and White you can go up to 10.4 Tigeranyway, with the help of XPostFacto you should be able to install 10.4 in the beige G3I would not recommend install mac os x in anything older than a beige G3Greetings from chile. On 19, Dec, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Robert Long wrote: Hey guys, I just got back my first mac, and it is in fine shape. O S is 8.5.1 Can I up grade to 10.4 Tiger? I don't really stay in clasic. Also how much ram can I carry and it doesn't have wifi ability. What can I put in for that?? Robert Long Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re:
I think you will be crippled without firewire. Maybe. How can you know? I don't use firewire on my G4 DA and am certainly not crippled by that omission. Mel --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 4:43 PM I think you will be crippled without firewire. I would NEVER buy a mac without firewire. Of course, due to all the unsolved problems with the new Macbooks and macbook pros, I wouldn't buy one at all. Or at least get the best warranty possible. I'm sticking with the bullet proof Aluminum PowerBook G4's!-Jonas On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:36 PM, dorayme wrote: But really, can one get by fine (even if it is a bit slower) with mere USB for purposes of backing up to an external HD? Yes. USB@ is more than fast enough for this. What about problems making the backup bootable No more than making a FW backup bootable. Not asking for details now, just yes or no or 'with great difficulty' type answers. With FW, I presumably can prepare an external FW drive on another desktop Mac which one can use as boot for a Macbook Pro, but this is not possible or so easy with a Macbook, right? As the macBook doesn't have FW, it's not possible. However, an external USB/FW drive should be bootable though either interface. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re:
I think you will be crippled without firewire. Maybe - maybe not. I not only do not use firewire but only use desk top Macs, and adhere to the theory of 'semper paratus' (always prepared) with the master HDs not screwed in place but just residing in situ and do so for this reason. Once I shut down the CPU(s), It takes me less than 2 minutes to RR internal master HDs and switch them from computer A to computer B assuming in the example you suggested that there is a computer B. On the theory that something inimical somewhere, sometime might occur that I can't think of now does not therefore require me to use firewire as that same nebulous argument can be used to stop using firewire and switch back to being hard wired via cable. In your reasoning you've probably inadvertently employed a mix of several logical fallacies. Here are some of them: 1- the red herring (not on point), 2- equivocation (could be true or not for either firewire or no firewire), 3- assumptions (that it is true but not for firewire), 4- proof by lack of evidence (that it is true but not for firewire), and so on. The point of being a good samaritan in giving advice is to try to give equitable and ethical advice and not offer just an incomplete and a partial modeling of what is possible. It is not helpful to not mention that the solution offered is offered to avoid an improbability or that an alternate solution is available or that the status quo is not of lesser but is of equal consideration. For example isn't it well known that HDs eventually die and go to disk heaven (or hell) and that the data and software on those HDs can and do die with the HD? That realization is certainly not a reason for advising not to use HDs but it is a reason for advising that HDs be backed up periodically and it is a reason for being cognizant of a want or need to arrange to monitor the status of an HD using SMART Utility or equivalent so as to have better knowledge to predict when an HD should be replaced before it dies. Notice that I do not suggest how one cna know that but merely furnish the means to make a better or more comfortable evaluation. In responding to the original issue raised, the solution is not necesssarily to get rid of cables and switch to firewire but in switching to firewire to also CONSIDER the advisability of retaining the abillity to restore the original configuration or to install both if ossible and when one of the two dies use the alternative. Mel --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 5:38 PM True, it is an assumption, and although you don't use firewire on your DA now, it may become necessary in the event of a computer emergency. For example: You may need to use target disk mode to retrieve files off of it for one reason or another, or use it to install an OS on another mac or to transfer files. You also may need to use the optical drive of another mac via firewire. -Jonas On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Mel mll...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you will be crippled without firewire. Maybe. How can you know? I don't use firewire on my G4 DA and am certainly not crippled by that omission. Mel --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 4:43 PM I think you will be crippled without firewire. I would NEVER buy a mac without firewire. Of course, due to all the unsolved problems with the new Macbooks and macbook pros, I wouldn't buy one at all. Or at least get the best warranty possible. I'm sticking with the bullet proof Aluminum PowerBook G4's!-Jonas On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:36 PM, dorayme wrote: But really, can one get by fine (even if it is a bit slower) with mere USB for purposes of backing up to an external HD? Yes. USB@ is more than fast enough for this. What about problems making the backup bootable No more than making a FW backup bootable. Not asking for details now, just yes or no or 'with great difficulty' type answers. With FW, I presumably can prepare an external FW drive on another desktop Mac which one can use as boot for a Macbook Pro, but this is not possible or so easy with a Macbook, right? As the macBook doesn't have FW, it's not possible. However, an external USB/FW drive should be bootable though either interface. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
Yes and after the first such back up, the subsequent backups usually complete in less than six minutes when backing up about 14 GB of software and data which is all I carry on my 533 DP G4 DA running under OS 10.4.11. --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CCC hosed t-bird To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:19 PM At 7:55 PM -0600 11/13/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: 23:47:52 Verifying exclusive access to source volume... 23:47:52 Aborting block-level clone, starting over with file-level clone. You don't want a block-level clone - block for block, *error for error*. The point of a backup is to be accessible -- so set CCC to do an Incremental Backup - even when initially populating the backup volume. That way it generates a NEW / CLEAN file system. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
It is not necessary although might be preferable to have to use an external HD for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Your internal HD is probably identified via jumpers as Master. Any IDE HD can be installed as a slave, assuming that the ribbon cable and power supply are available in your machine (they should be). After installing a slave HD, and initializing and reformating HFS+ and as you please (I.E. - with or without partitions), then download CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) on your Master HD by going to Google and typing Carbon Copy Cloner and then slecting Carbon Copy Cloner Mac. I got 101,000 hits and here is the very first link. Carbon Copy Cloner - HomeExplore Carbon copy cloner · Support · Download · Home Features Support Donate Contact © 2002-2009 Bombich Software, LLC. Carbon Copy Cloner Icon. www.bombich.com/ Download CCC and install as instructed and follow the instructions for copying from the Master HD to the slave HD. After CCC finishes (it might take anywhere from 20 minutes to close to an hour) , you should be able to boot from your slave HD by gooong to Systems Preferences and selecting the slave HD. Good luck. Mel --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:14 AM On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? Appreciate some advice on this. Thanks. Patrick. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Im not sure about the RAM, but if it has 4 slots it probably takes 512MB sticks in each. To upgrade the VRAM, you need a new video card. The optical drive is standard, but not all drives have burning support in OSX. Fo those drives that don't there's PatchBurn (google it.) And finally, you will need an external enclosure for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Any hard drive will do for the internal. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM doesn't work
Also remove all the 900 memory and try booting with just that DIMM. If it works, then add the 900 memory. Mel --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: From: Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com Subject: Re: RAM doesn't work To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:11 PM On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Geke wrote: I bought a 512 MB RAM module to bring my G4 Digital Audio from 900 to 1300 MB RAM, but the new module is not recognized. The specs as posted on ebay are: Infineon 512 MB PC133 SDRAM 168 PIN PC 133 SD RAM 512MB I've posted a picture of two 512MB modules here: http://freenet-homepage.de/gee/test/twomodules.jpg The top one is the new module in its case, the bottom one is a working module I took from the G4 for the picture. What have a missed? Thanks for any clue! 98% odds that the stick you purchased is a high density stick (2% chance DOA). Macs need low density. Density refers to how the chip is electrically laid out. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s Mel, did your app worked after this? Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result === That is a different question. All 'my' Apps worked in all the G4s but that does not mean all the original questioner's Apps will work. There might be Apps that will work on one G4 but not another according to the configurations and Specs of the two different machines. As for transferring just the Apps, I have not tried that. I prefer to use CCC to make complete backups. --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 6:06 AM On 9/23/09 6:38 AM, Mel wrote: I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several times among various G4s Mel, did your app worked after this? Would transferring just the application folder from one machine to another result in the same? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Here is a suggestion that I believe will be better for you. Have you considered buying a used second HD. If you do, install it as a slave in your current CPU. Use CCC to clone it. Restart and reboot holding down the option key. When the arrow appears, click on the slave drive and continue the boot process. It should boot your CPU. When it does, shut it down and RR which ever HD you choose to the other CPU, remembering, if you choose the slave drive to RR to convert it into a master. Then boot from that other HD. It should work. Mel --- On Wed, 9/23/09, mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote: From: mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 12:37 PM Thanks Bruce Dan - I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up. Correct? Mira On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:20 AM -0700 9/23/2009, mkehoe wrote: Bruce others - I appreciate your comments. This is the first time I am changing from one computer to another. I want to make sure I understand about the process of authorization. This has nothing to do with just moving the HDs - the OS and apps will just work. Authorization is an iTunes issue ONLY. Its point being that it limits how many computers can be used to play the stuff you've bought from the iTunes Store. And it recognizes those computers with enough intelligence that the authorization won't magically move when you move the HD. So you need to de-authorize that computer first, then move the HD, then authorize the new. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another
Yes indeed that is what I suggested. Test it first in the G4 after cloning to see if it boots. If it does, then make the RR. --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Subject: Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 2:34 PM On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Mel wrote: Here is a suggestion that I believe will be better for you. Have you considered buying a used second HD. If you do, install it as a slave in your current CPU. Use CCC to clone it. Restart and reboot holding down the option key. When the arrow appears, click on the slave drive and continue the boot process. It should boot your CPU. When it does, shut it down and RR which ever HD you choose to the other CPU, remembering, if you choose the slave drive to RR to convert it into a master. Then boot from that other HD. It should work. Whaa? What you've described is just rebooting to a different drive in the same system. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4
I'm not sure about the sleep problem and this is a wild stab; but some of the ATTO series such as the 320 SCSI UL3D card might work. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: From: Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net Subject: Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:34 PM Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930B(Mac) that prevents my G4 from waking from sleep. I have removed the card and the Mac sleeps and wakes on demand. So, if I want to connect my external SCSI drives, what do I need to install? I use the SCSI very infrequently, so my question is more about getting an education than solving a problem. What do you use the SCSI for? You could use a USB-SCSI adapter. However to get hi-speed performance you'd need a USB 2.0 card which usually have the same sleep problems. There is, I think, a FW-SCSI adapter but they are rare and expensive. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing new internal hard drive on G4
Or use CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) to achieve the same result. Mel --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Robert Menes viewtiful.icc...@gmail.com wrote: From: Robert Menes viewtiful.icc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installing new internal hard drive on G4 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 10:13 AM On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM, joanjn...@q.com wrote: We have a desk top G4 Quicksilver and want to intall a new 320 GB Western digital hard drive. Does anyone know a site that will guide us through the best way to do this? Is cloning the old hard drive onto it the best? Hi Joan, I used this site for information on my own PowerMac G4: http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/machine.php?name=powermac-g4-quicksilver If you're running OS X 10.4 on it, try using SuperDuper! to clone the current drive onto the new one, then make the switch. You can put the new drive into an enclosure before starting the upgrade. --Rob -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. == Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html == -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1.2 GCS/S/M/MU d- s+: a30 C++(+++) UL$ P++ L+++ E+ W+ N+ o+ K++ w--- O- M !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP(+) t+ 5++ X++ R tv b+++ DI+++ D++(---) G++ e+ h- r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to install Starcraft
--- On Sat, 6/20/09, m.smurph001 m.smurph...@gmail.com wrote: From: m.smurph001 m.smurph...@gmail.com Subject: How to install Starcraft To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:15 AM I've tried to install Starcraft on my Digital Audio G4. I try to run the installer program from the CD and I get an error message saying I need to run the program from the original CD, which is in the machine and on the desktop. I am running OS X 10.4.11. I have installed 1.6Mhz processor upgrade. When I installed it I ran the installation CD which came with it and apparently I didn't update the rom so it will boot into OS 9. It will run OS 9 from OS X. I'm not sure what this has to do with it. Like I say I am getting an error message telling me to install from the Starcraft CD, which is what I'm running the installation program from. Thanks I forgot my handle = What 1.6Mhz processor upgrade did you install on your DA? Mel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:47 PM On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Sometimes one bad electrical contact will stop a machine. Surprisingly it does not take much corrosion or crud at all . If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating whatever it's nature. If the machine still does not start try cleaning some more important cable and power connections. Is the power switch on the keyboard? My older Macs have had corrosion deadened circuits blocking the ADB link after sitting for a while. This gets multiplied when connected to a KVM setup as mine was. I have run 604 systems sans battery. === I've been using a IIci offline since 1990. Changed the battery sometime in the 1990s and again several weeks ago. For several years, the clock would lose about one minute every three days and then about three or four weeks ago the clock started to lose over an hour each day. So I replaced the PRAM battery with a battery that tested at 3.7 no load volts. Now it gains about 15 seconds each day. The old battery tested at zero volst - no measurable voltage yet the IIci booted and ran all functions with that flat battery. Great machine for what I use it for. Mel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Ethernet Duel G4 want start after updating.
Or upon booting, immediately hold down just the option key. When the arrow appears, click once on which ever HD you want to boot from. It might take several minutes before the arrow appears - be patient. On the dual G4 533 DA which has no issues and which I am using it take about 25 seconds for the arrow to appear. Mel --- On Wed, 5/20/09, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: From: insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net Subject: Re: My Ethernet Duel G4 want start after updating. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:59 AM But another question, how can I boot up with the drive I want without using a external disk repair utility to select. Is their a way? choice Are you asking for methods for starting up from external drives? I believe Shift-Opt-Command-Delete when starting up, asks the system to startup from an external disk, or alternate partition (like a Classic OS 9 partition). Xpostfacto can also be used to Startup, using the internal disk as a Helper, resulting in the external disk being booted from ... I think that's the way it goes. It does create a boot cache of some sort, which may complicate things if you return to normal boot mode. I can use that technique to Startup from external FW drives on my Yikes!, where ordinarily I cannot boot from external FW or USB drives at all on the Yikes!. I believe you could also Startup from the CD or DVD Install Disk, and use Startup Disk in the Utilities menu to redirect to an external drive. I might be off in the names of the Install disk menues/items, but you get what I mean. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Add to that the fact the guv'ment will spend $10,000 to bust a $100 crime... Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through. Jonathon Swift (1667 to 1745) Mel --- On Mon, 5/11/09, James E. Therrault jetas...@worldnet.att.net wrote: From: James E. Therrault jetas...@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:07 PM Dan wrote: At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote: On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote: Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY specific. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/ Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay. As it turns out, they were home-made copies with paper labels on them. I complained to the seller first, who said he thought they were legitimate since he didn't make them himself, but bought 100 sets of them from someone else. I complained to e-bay and Apple. Neither one responded to any of my e-mails, and the guy was still selling software on e-bay at least a year later. For the most part, Apple doesn't seem to be into the whole RIAA/MPAA-style customer hatred power trip. eg: They seem to ignore the small guys, who do the gray market stuff such as selling pulled media on venues like eBay and LEM Swap. But the anti-piracy climate of today is a far cry from yesterday's. Betcha if they were shown someone like that today, producing 100+ copies of the shipping OS, they'd nail 'em. Add to that the fact the guv'ment will spend $10,000 to bust a $100 crime... So. . . Apple doesn't seem at all interested in protecting their license. (Oh yeah, this was when Jaguar was still being sold in the stores, I should have mentioned.) After all, they let such a flagrant violator (not even an anonymous pirate, but an e-bay seller) get away with it. Slippery slope. Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding by is NOT justification for you to speed. ...and you never know what other eyes might be tracking the transaction(s). JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Flip4Mac is broken?
I too had the same result (using OS 10.4.11 on a dual 533 MHz G4 DA). --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: New Flip4Mac is broken? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:51 AM Apparently the new release of Flip4Mac WM Components 2.2.2.3 is broken. Bad library linkages. So far it's happening on all my G3 systems and now one G4. I posted a note in their forums and got a reply back that it's problematic on G3 -- with no details. The soln, for now, is to revert to 2.2.1.11. (this on Tiger) FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacJanitor
How about MacJanitor 1.3, which I believe is the latest version, to run the cron scripts? BTW: I run all tasks using MacJanitor at least twice a week when I am doing something off line. MacJanitor has taken as little as seven minutes and as much as 19 minutes to complete. Mel --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com Subject: Re: MacJanitor To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:16 PM, nestamicky wrote: Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mel wrote: The percentages before 3:00 AM with every thing turned off would range from 2% to 5% and within 10 minutes would display from about 8% to 14% which would last for several minutes and then go back to the percentages prior to 3:00 AM. The daily cron scripts run at 3:15 AM. This is what you're observing. Here's more info on cron scripts: Each maintenance script — daily, weekly, and monthly — has a specific function. Their functions have varied over different versions of Mac OS X. The daily script removes old log files, scratch and junk files, backs-up the NetInfo database (Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and earlier), reports a variety of system and network statistics, and rotates the system.log file. Under Tiger, the daily script also cleans up scratch fax files and prunes asl.log, the log file for the then-new Apple System Loggingfacility. Under Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, the daily script also prunes the asl.db file that replaced the asl.log file for Apple System Logging. The output from the daily script is written to the /var/log/daily.out file, which can be viewed in Console. By default, the daily script is scheduled to run daily at 03:15 hours local time. The weekly script rebuilds the locate and whatis databases. Depending on the version of Mac OS X, it also rotates the following log files: ftp.log, lookupd.log, lpr.log,mail.log, netinfo.log, ipfw.log, ppp.log, and secure.log The output from the weekly script is written to the /var/log/ weekly.out file, which can be viewed in Console. By default, the weekly script is scheduled to run every Saturday at a specific time. Under Tiger and later, it runs at 03:15 hours local time. Under Mac OS X 10.3 Panther and Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar it runs at 04:30 hours local time. The monthly script reports per-user usage accounting and rotates — depending on the version of Mac OS X — the wtmp, install.log, and cu.modem.log files. The output from the monthly script is written to the /var/log/ monthly.out file, which can be viewed in Console. By default, the monthly script is scheduled to run on the first of the month at 05:30 hours local time. What I'd like to know Kris, or anyone, is how can these be done manually? I'd prefer to remember to run cron scripts manually, than leave my machine on all night, waiting for it. Download and install MacJanitor 1.2.1, and you can use the utility's GUI to manually run these cron scripts. This latest version works in 10.5 as well as most earlier versions of OS X. Or, if you're really lazy, download and install Anacron, which will run these scripts automatically without having to be bothered to remember. Anacron works in 10.4 and 10.5, IIRC. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacJanitor
That was most helpful. Thanks. Mel --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Subject: Re: MacJanitor To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 4:23 PM On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mel wrote: The percentages before 3:00 AM with every thing turned off would range from 2% to 5% and within 10 minutes would display from about 8% to 14% which would last for several minutes and then go back to the percentages prior to 3:00 AM. The daily cron scripts run at 3:15 AM. This is what you're observing. Here's more info on cron scripts: Each maintenance script — daily, weekly, and monthly — has a specific function. Their functions have varied over different versions of Mac OS X. The daily script removes old log files, scratch and junk files, backs-up the NetInfo database (Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and earlier), reports a variety of system and network statistics, and rotates the system.log file. Under Tiger, the daily script also cleans up scratch fax files and prunes asl.log, the log file for the then-new Apple System Loggingfacility. Under Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, the daily script also prunes the asl.db file that replaced the asl.log file for Apple System Logging. The output from the daily script is written to the /var/log/daily.out file, which can be viewed in Console. By default, the daily script is scheduled to run daily at 03:15 hours local time. The weekly script rebuilds the locate and whatis databases. Depending on the version of Mac OS X, it also rotates the following log files: ftp.log, lookupd.log, lpr.log,mail.log, netinfo.log, ipfw.log, ppp.log, and secure.log The output from the weekly script is written to the /var/log/ weekly.out file, which can be viewed in Console. By default, the weekly script is scheduled to run every Saturday at a specific time. Under Tiger and later, it runs at 03:15 hours local time. Under Mac OS X 10.3 Panther and Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar it runs at 04:30 hours local time. The monthly script reports per-user usage accounting and rotates — depending on the version of Mac OS X — the wtmp, install.log, and cu.modem.log files. The output from the monthly script is written to the /var/log/ monthly.out file, which can be viewed in Console. By default, the monthly script is scheduled to run on the first of the month at 05:30 hours local time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacJanitor
About twice a week I use MacJanitor. About one a month when I get up in the middle of the night (which is every night at my age - 76), I boot my G4, turn off all sleeping, close almost everytrhing and leave the G4 on for the rest of the night. Several times on such nights, I stayed up past 3:00 AM and watched the percentage of CPU activity as displayed by MenuMeters (which is a free download). The percentages before 3:00 AM with every thing turned off would range from 2% to 5% and within 10 minutes would display from about 8% to 14% which would last for several minutes and then go back to the percentages prior to 3:00 AM. I can't state for a certainty that what I saw was indicative of anything but I am reporting what I saw. Mel --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote: From: Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net Subject: Re: MacJanitor To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 10:16 AM On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Charles Davis wrote:MacJanitor should now be 'in the dock' for any future bootings of the system. Chuck D. Thanks, Chuck. I think the operative word is should. My Dad had a problem where most of his dock icons disappeared (about a year ago I think) and I had to put them back from their apps in the Apps folder. I ran Macjanitor and Repair Disk and I told him to use Macjanitor regularly, but I don't think he has. You can lead your parents to the water, but you can't make them drink! Interesting that Apple hasn't automated this, but maybe we're the only morons left who turn off the puter at night. I start leaving it on when I first got my G4, but it wasn't sleeping properly at that time and the HD was spinning all night long, and I didn't realize this, I thought it was asleep when the screensaver was up, but anywhoo that is when the fan broke. It was under warranty so once fixed and I educated myself about sleep, all was fine. But I was twitchy about what the puter might be doing while I was sleeping, so have kept it off at night since then ... Anne Keller SmithDown to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 Intel iMac 2.66gHz Core 2 Duo2GB RAM, 264GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.6 mailto:earth...@ptd.nethttp://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: resurrecting a hard drive?
My head sometimes spins at 45 RPM. How old am I. I couldn't resist. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: From: Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com Subject: Re: resurrecting a hard drive? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 10:28 AM At 09:52 -0700 4/4/09, Al Poulin wrote: On Apr 4, 2:25 am, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 4/3/09 11:00 PM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I meant to ask before ... is there any danger that a hard drive spinning at 7200rpm will flip out and take off across a room? shouldn't they be screwed down to something fixed? Do record players? Because that is basically what a hard disc is. Kyle Hansen Telling us how old your are? Naah. He would have pointed out that the energy in the spinning disk is proportional to the squares of the diameters and the angular velocities. Ignoring the mass difference: Energy in spinning disk = (7200 / 78)^2 * (5 / 13)^2 * energy in spinning album. The hard disk wins by well over 1000 times. How old am I? -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multiple HDs in Sawtooth
Precisely as regards putting those SCSI drives in their own external case, with their own power supply. You can daisy chain them with a terminal at the end of the chain and the original connection to the UL3D or UL4D or maybe a UL2D which should also work. Mel --- On Wed, 3/25/09, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: From: dc dbc...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Multiple HDs in Sawtooth To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 4:53 AM You didn't say, but putting in 3 drives I'm guessing you are thinking of a RAID setup? I have a single 15K/15MB cache SCSI hard drive in a Sawtooth. Using a fast drive with a big cache gives a very nice R/W speed without going to multiple RAID drives. The big advantages are: 1) Less heat- fast SCSI drives get really hot and the case design of the Sawtooth isn't that great for venting heat from the OEM hard drive sleds. I put my drive on a cooler and mounted it on top of the optical drive, where the PSU fan can pull the heat straight out. You don't need Apple OEM gear, just buy a good quality LVD SCSI cable with an active terminator. 2) In a RAID 0 setup if you lose any one of your drives you lose the whole system. And if you try to cram 3 or 4 hard drives into a Sawtooth the odds are good that the heat will kill one of them. I had two 15K drives running as RAID 0 in a Digital Audio and, despite each have an additional fan, one went bad. I think it was still running too hot. Now with just a single SCSI drive it's been running reliably and I barely notice any real-world performance difference in the R/W speed. If you want to run 3 fast SCSI drives it might be better to use a card with good external ports, like a UL3D or UL4D, and put them in an external housing. The drives and the Sawtooth will run a lot cooler. On Mar 24, 6:08 pm, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Hurray...I'm going SCSI's on my Sawtooth...well, as soon as I get the help I need. I'm trying to figure out how to safely install more than a single HD in the Sawtooth. Ideas...someone here must have done it. This is a physical issue, of course I know how to hook them up...but where would I physically place 3 SCSIs and maybe an ATA as well. Is this possible? Thanks a lot! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multiple HDs in Sawtooth
Have you considered connecting external SCSI drives and booting off the internal ATA drive? If you do, and also wish to boot from those external drives, you would need to install perhaps an ultra320SCSI: UL2D PCI card or UL3D PCI card (or equivalent) after doing the research to see if these cards could be used to connect to an external SCSI for the purpose of booting from that drive. Mel --- On Tue, 3/24/09, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: From: nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Subject: Multiple HDs in Sawtooth To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 3:08 PM Hurray...I'm going SCSI's on my Sawtooth...well, as soon as I get the help I need. I'm trying to figure out how to safely install more than a single HD in the Sawtooth. Ideas...someone here must have done it. This is a physical issue, of course I know how to hook them up...but where would I physically place 3 SCSIs and maybe an ATA as well. Is this possible? Thanks a lot! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
1- Assuming that what you say is correct - I. E. you must install the jumper to a CS setting then why not try removing your master HD, change the jumper to a CS setting, jumper your new HD to master and reinstall both in the proper position on the flat cable. or 2- Assume that you can use the master/slave setup with your jumpers, then remove the master, set the jumper (or remove the jumper) to convert the HD to slave, set the jumper on the new HD to master, and reinstall both in the proper position on the flat cable. For either setting, when you boot up, hold down the option key and when the arrow comes up select the HD that has OS X installed and click on the arrow to boot from that drive. Then use disk utility to check both HDs and correct permissions on the HD that was your master. After that process, employ CCC to do a back up on the new drive. Upon completion, do a restart boot, hold down ht eoption key and dselect the new drive whch should be your master. If you you boot up successfuly then go to Systems Preferences and select that HD as your boot drive. I hope that works for you. Mel --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Subject: jumpers To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:56 AM I have a new hard drive on order. I plan to install it into my BW and after carbon copy, switch it to the master position. I am presently using a Quantum Fireball as my main drive. Interestingly, the BW prefers me to set the jumper on CS instead of Master. The new drive is a Seagate Barricuda (3160815A) and should be faster than the Quantum. Question: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
If you have backed up your data and software from that That first partition on the big internal drive, then erase that partition and then use either CCC or diskwarrior to restore it. If you haven't backed it up, I don't know what to do. Mel --- On Mon, 3/9/09, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: From: joe j...@joethejuggler.com Subject: HD problems--advice sought To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm got a G4 AGP with plenty of RAM (1.5 gig because I lent a 512 mg stick to another computer), 1.4 GHz cpu, running up-to-date Tiger (10.4.11) I've got two HDs inside on the regular IDE HD bus. Both are over-sized and partitioned thusly:500 (actually 465.76GB) GB drive partition 1 127.88 GB with the OS on it partition 2 the rest of that drive200 GB (actually 189.92) GB drive partition 1 127.86 GB partition 2 the rest of that drive I've also got a 180 GB drive in an external firewire enclosure in two partitions: partition 1: 127.88 GB with a relatively good back-up of the system partition partition 2: the rest, with backups of other more-or-less important stuff Oh yeah--IIRC, they're all HFS+, journaled. I've got a slightly out-of-date copy of the FireWire drive on a loose HD that was having some hardware troubles when I retired it. I use Intech's hi-cap kext to see the oversized partitions of the drives (but can see just the first partitions when I boot from a disk). My problem is this: That first partition on the big internal drive, the one with the OS on it, is messed up--not hardware. Once in a while it fails to mount, as if it's got a corrupted directory file. However, when I run DiskWarrior, it spends some 12 hours or so working on it, and then finally fails. I've booted from the firewire drive and run Disk Utility's repair disk on the drive--it identifies a ton of overlapped files, but finally fails. Usually, just trying again (restarting from the firewire or even from a disk) gets it to mount again. When I try to do a full back-up of the problem drive, it understandably fails. When I do an incremental back-up, it usually fails, but at least not until after it's backed up everything that seems to matter to me. Any idea how I should go about fixing stuff? Are there other 3rd party disk repair apps that don't rely on the same thing in my system that seems to be failing (fsck_hfs)? I'm thinking I may just get a 140 GB drive and just use the first 127.88 GB as my system drive from now on. (That way I can deal with just that one partition and nothing else on that drive.) I imagine I can clone from my FW back-up. After I've got that working, I suppose I can erase that problematic partition to re-use it. Since the problem is overlapping files and a corrupted disk directory, just a simple erase should make that partition usable again, right? If not, I can't re-format just that partition somehow--leaving the larger partition on that drive untouched? Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St.St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com== --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
The answer might be contained in this: so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the spaghetti). Try removing the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card and re-booting. Mel --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: From: Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net Subject: Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:05 AM M-hmm.been following this one quietly, now going to add Over the Christmas holiday weekend while my BF was here, I shut down my G4 867 Quicksilver and my USB/Firewire external HD (40 GB drive in a LaCie enclosure), so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the spaghetti). While all that was successful, when it was all done and I powered everything back up, the external HD, which had always been Firewired to the G4, disappeared. That is, it didn't show up on the desktop, and the G4 didn't know it was there in either Disk Utility or ASP). Important Note -- Immediately prior to shutting down and starting this, I had updated my backups to the external HD over Firewire, and all was well with it. This sounds like the OP's issue -- his FW drive was working fine until he shut down, but when rebooting, he lost it, which is why this thread got my attention. Second Important Note -- Although the Firewire is down on this drive, the drive comes up perfectly well with USB -- on the desktop, in Disk Utility and in ASP -- so I can still use it even though USB is suboptimal compared to the Firewire -- and is completely usable as well as visible on the desktop. Firewire Experiment after USB showed that the HD itself was good and I could still make backups and transfer data albeit horribly slowly: I only had the one FW cable, so we tried switching FW ports in the G4. No go -- it didn't matter which port we used; the drive only showed up when we plugged it back in with USB. My BF said this meant it could be a problem with either the cable OR the FW port on the external drive case. He said he'd take my cable home and test it on his system (he also has an external USB/Firewire drive), and if it failed, next time he came down, he'd bring another FW cable (a known working good), and we'd try it on mine, but this time, he said, if it didn't work, it would mean the FW port on my enclosure was bad. Alas, I didn't even THINK to try my FW cable with the iBook (and my brain death gets even worse!), but it seems my cable was bad anyway at his house. Sooo, for his next visit... He showed up over Valentine's weekend with a working FW cable he had just used himself on his own equipment and, just in case, a four port USB hub. No go on the FW with my machine, in either port -- which means I have no more Firewire unless or until I get another enclosure. And the worse part of the brain death - AGAIN it didn't occur to me to think of the iBook. If only I had, it wouldn't have taken me two days and two nights to do a massive data transfer to the iBook totally with USB flash drives. I'd have done my iBook nuke-and-pave while he was here with the good FW cable and moved all the stuff into the iBook straight out of the G4 with FW Target Disk Mode! Thank goodness for the USB hub though -- at least now I can have my external HD and BOTH flash drives plugged in simultaneously when needed. That helps a little anyway... But anyway -- how in the heck is it possible that just shutting down could have killed the FW port in my enclosure? I never dropped my external HD or spilled anything on it and when I used to move data from it into the iBook, I would simply unplug the end that was in the G4's FW port and plug it into the iBook's FW port...so other than the initial plugging in (first week of Aug 2007 when I got it), I had never even touched the enclosure's FW port! Even when we disconnected it from the G4 after the shutdown (to be able to rearrange the area and get inside the G4 to make it run the second monitor), we did it from the G4's end. :sigh: ~Yersinia. Never accept a drink from a urologist. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Sometimes adding or changing a PCI card screws up what was working before. You did replace one video card that was working with a NVIDIA card. I'm not suggesting that you give up your second monitor but I am suggesting that until that NVIDIA is removed and you restore the card it replaced, you won't know if the NVIDIA card is the cause of your problem. Ordinarily I wouldn't suggest this removal but you have tried quite a few other reasonable options all to know avail. If the NVIDIA card should be the cause of your problem and since you wish to use two monitors, that might require a solution which would be beyond your current problem and would require a solution I am not qualified to offer. Mel --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: From: Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net Subject: Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 3:35 PM Wallace Adrian D'Alessio writes, Probably an unlikely cause but did you try cleaning your FW ports with an old toothbrush and alcohol? No, but next time my BF talks about coming down for a visit I'll ask him to bring a working FW cable with him and do it, then try again. Also did you try connecting the drive to your BF computer? U, no. His Mac (dual 1 GHz G4 Quicksilver) is 300 miles away. But I WAS totally stupid not to even THINK to try with my iBook, which lives in the next room so is easy to carry in here! :blush: But no matter what the result of trying it again after cleaning the FW ports, this time I'll also remember to bring in the iBook! Mel writes, The answer might be contained in this: so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the spaghetti). Try removing the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card and re-booting. This is (a) not physically possible for me to do myself (my BF installs all my upgrades for me because my left hand is partly paralyzed and I'm mechanically inept), and even if he was here right now, (b) it's not even an option anymore. Removing the NVIDIA would mean not being able to use the second monitor anymore! I had originally asked him to remove the NVIDIA last year (Feb 2008) because I had bought a Radeon 9200 which I thought would be better, so he took the NVIDIA out and installed the Radeonit only made a marginal difference, but I kept it in there anyway, didn't bother him to switch back. Later on in the year I realized I actually had a good reason to have 2 monitors on the G4 (an idea I actually got from him -- when I visited him in the summer, I saw he had *3* monitors on HIS G4, but it took me awhile to figure out why I'D want more than the one I had!). But, for me to have 2 monitors, I had to have 2 video cards -- so I kept the Radeon where it was and asked him to put the NVIDIA in another slot and hook the second monitor up. He did, and I love having the two monitors. And what do video cards and monitors have to do with external Firewire anyway? Nestamicky writes, Let me please add, suggests, etc the following. Firewire is perhaps so named because there is fire on that cable. So knowing this, here is how I have always shut mine down. 1. Eject the HD 2. Walk over to the external case and turn it's switch off. 3. Turn the computer off. I never ever shut the machine down while the external case is running with the HD in it. Never. I have always simply thought something can go wrong. I don't do this as much with USBs but with Firewire. Bruce writes, Firewire is actually very robust...robust enough that you can start a file transfer, unplug the cable, count to five, plug it back in and the transfer will continue, in many cases, unless the OS determines that the volume is gone. I remember the reviewers at MAcWorld doing this at the beginning of the FW era (this was in OS 9). I'm thinking that flaky disks in flaky external FW cases are largely to blame, there's a lot of cheap corner-cut gear out there. I've never had an issue with FW drives being on when the computer is shut off...other than my wife yells at me You left something on! I can hear something humming under that pile of stuff on your desk! 8-) H.yeah, we shut my FW drive off too when we shut down for the NVIDIA reinstallation. I never used to shut it off otherwise though (and it never kept my BF up at night when he's here hahaha!), and shutting down the G4 is something I only do infrequently, when it's necessary -- like trying to reboot it in OS 9 when I'm in THAT wrestling match, which I'll actually be doing soon, iBook Rebuild gave me an idea for another experiment to try when I get in the mood (probably voodoo but I'll try anyway since I'm still at a total loss!) -- or so my BF can install something for mewe don't mind a little humming around here! ;-) Anyway, Bruce
Re: Do I really need a new processor?
Rule of thumb: If it ain't broke don't fix it. More pertinent: Distinguish between 'need' and 'want.' I think you have answered your own question. Apparently but the machine is running quickly and beautifully as is. •• Happy as clam, tho, because I can use this machine for a couple more years - then when 10.6 comes out will buy new.seems to satisfy your need. Apparently Really tired of opening the case, plus a backache from moving the lucite case around. Oldsters will understand. seems to be an legitimate objection to satisfying what could be an undefined and unspecified 'want.' Mel --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote: From: Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net Subject: Do I really need a new processor? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:09 AM Hiyas ~ Got the memory working - I mean OWC sent me a new stick and it's fine. Took me awhile to fool around with, mostly because I forgot which stick was which and had to open/close case more often than absolutely necessary, compare numbers on sticks with them, etc. LOL. Now I have a lovely new processor to install, but the machine is running quickly and beautifully as is. Installed DW CS4 plus Flash and they work fine, except I haven't a clue how to use either one. My kid will help me with new Flash - I was using MX. Again LOL. It was $250. Wonder if OWC would let me return it? Impulse buy, for pete's sake. Or maybe install it, this QS has a puny 733mHz processor. Really tired of opening the case, plus a backache from moving the lucite case around. Oldsters will understand. Happy as clam, tho, because I can use this machine for a couple more years - then when 10.6 comes out will buy new. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
Isn't overclocking a G4 DA to 1.g MHz pushing it? How much can you overclock a 667 MHz G4 DA? Mel --- On Mon, 2/2/09, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: From: jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 12:34 PM Definitely go for the Digital Audio Powermac with the 133MHZ bus speed.-Jonas On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:45 PM, tortoise wrote: I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? Go for the faster 133 MHz bus, hence a DA. You do lose one RAM slot (1.5 GB max), however. DAs and the related QSes remain incredibly productive machines, given a fast CPU. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP
The modeling that determines what CPU to use is more complex than has been stated. it is not simply a matter of cost and capability but, and these are just some more considerations, it is a matter of answering these two additional questions: 1- Am I satisfied with what my current CPU does? 2- Will I be satisfied in the future (pick a time)? E.G. Since 1990, I have been using a IIci offline using OS 6.0.8. It is perfect for my text work (using WORD 4.0 and EXCEL 2.2) and it resides alongside a G4 either a DA or one of the earlier models when I take the current G4 out of service to do some offline maintenance and upgrading as I please. All my G4 use OS 10.4.11 flawlessly. I day trade and email quite a bit and a 133 bus speed and a 667 MHz in the DA is fine for my purposes whereas the 100 bus speed and lets say a 400 MHz cPU pon the ealrier G4s are also suitable for me. Spares are abundant and are usually less than 10% of original cost. The sine qua non for my configuraitons is that they are not put out of service with either hardware or software problems and with that in mind, I leave others to pave the way with new OS, software and hardware. That is important to me but may not be important ot others so I cannot give adivce on what to do but can give the advice as follows: 1- Know what you need to do; not what you want ot do. 2- Find the most reliable older CPU that will satisfy that need. 3- Buy spares. 4- Don't try to convert a Honda in to a Ferrari when all you will use the Honda is for grocery shopping. That principle should also apply to using computers. BTW: I and my wife own and use a 1981 Accord SE, a 1985 Accord Hatchback and a 1959 VW PU truck (which we use about 200 miles a year). I hope this minor opinion has helped. Mel --- On Mon, 1/5/09, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: From: nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I am thinking about a processor upgrade for my G4/400 AGP To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:19 AM Bruce may not have the time to say what he said a few weeks ago. So, I will pass it on. It was a single line that essentially suggests; get a G5 than spend money on a G4 upgrade. I'm still mulling that suggestion. I have Sawtooths. I was hoping to get a DA but Bruce gave me something to think about...and I hope you too. aussieshepsrock wrote: HiYa RiverMan, There is a big 'IF' in my reccomendation, but I see the cheapest and most straight forward speed bump you can achieve is by sliding an Intel Mini in the place of your Tower. When I compare the 'benchmark' numbers in the MacTracker App between a 400mhz g4 agp to a late model Mini it goes from a 221 score to a 2300 score. That is a 10 fold increase. The big 'IF' is whether you can live without the PCI slots, Native OS9, and internal drive expansion and the like. A mini can be had for a lot less than tricking out a G4/400/agp. There is also no rule saying you have to throw away the G4 tower after getting your mini - peaceful coexistence really can happen! In my personal opinion, when faced with jumping upwards from an early G4 tower, there are multiple good reasons to pick a Mini and multiple reasons to not pick a mini - the answer for 'YOU' depends on what variables are important in your computing world and what budget you're working with. It's also hard to call a 10x power increase for 600ish bucks a mistake. At worst I personally would call it a relatively inexpensive technological placeholder to buy the power and see if it will work before dropping a ton of bucks on a current or late model Mac Tower. Richard On Jan 4, 4:31 pm, RiverMan scarumcr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried the upgrade from XLR8 or Newer Tech? I read about a 1.6 Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz upgrade for my G4 but would love to hear from people who have tried it. Or should I just save my cash and get a newer model? Thanks! -=] RiverMan [=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Q's about Booting Off a PCI, Not mobo, IDE/ATA Channel
One of the ATTO ultra320SCSI PCI cards might allow you to boot from an external HD. Go to Google and first try typing and adding UL 2D then UL3D. There are other ATTO Ultra PCI cards that might also work but they might be too expensive. I was using a G4 DA (partitioned with OS 10.4.11 and 10.2.8) with a 2906 PCI card which allowed me to read/write to an external SCSI HDs but would not allow me to boot from those drives. After I replaced that with an ATTO UL2D, I could boot from those SCSI external drives. Mel --- On Wed, 12/31/08, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: From: insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Q's about Booting Off a PCI, Not mobo, IDE/ATA Channel To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:26 PM On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 31, 2008, at 9:14 AM, insightinmind wrote: I'm currently successfully using the Apple Startup after using XPF with its Uninstall-ation, hoping the Boot Cache (name?) has been replaced correctly. WHY are you using XPF on a Yikes at all? XPostFacto is to get non-OSX compatible systems booted into OS X; 10.4.11 is officially supported on that machine OIRN (Oh, I Remember Now): in order to Boot from an external FW drive, I used the internal one as a Helper for XPF, and that got me to the external one. Then ... it just Migrated over to using it to Startup the internal one ... I'm back to Normal-cy now ... using Startup Disk to set the startup volume. Had to toss the Adaptec AUA-3020A USB2/FW DuoConnect ... unless anyone knows how to get it to work after 10.2 ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Permissions Question, CCC 3.1.2 under Tiger a few more Qs ...
I use a 667 MHz G4 DA 1.5 GB SDRAM with OS 10.4. 11 installed. When I bought this machine it had an Adaptec 2906 PCI card in it to which at different times I connected three SCSI external HDs which have 10.2.8, 10.3.9 and 10.4.11 respectively installed. I could read/write to and from each of these three SCSI HDs and with the two internal IDE HDs installed but could not boot from either of these external SCSI HDs. Note: I use the extrernal HDs for archiving and I would also like to be able to boot from them as well I tried different Adaptec PCI cards but none would allow me to boot from an external SCSI HD connected to the G4 DA. I contacted Adaptec and they informed me that their PCI cards did not support booting from SCSI external HDs in OS X with their PCI cards although I still could boot when using OS 9.1 thorugh 9.2.2. Finally I installed an ATTO Express PCI Pro UL2D in slot-4 and voila I can now boot from an external HD that has OS X installed up though 10.4.11 (I don't know about 10.5.5). I have been informed that the ATTO UL3D PCI card might also work but I have no personal knowledge that it will. Those external HDs had 10.2.8, 10.3.9 and 10.4.11 installed respectively in three different external SCSI HDs. FYI ATTO versus Adaptec; Quantum versus Seagate --- On Thu, 10/23/08, insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Permissions Question, CCC 3.1.2 under Tiger a few more Qs ... To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:13 PM On Oct 23, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Mel wrote: What do you have connected to your Adaptec AUA-3020A FW/USB2 Duoconnect PCI card? If you are using external HDs, can you boot from those drives? Mel -- I have an OWC Elite (I think that's the model) hard drive enclosure that is both USB2 and FW400, an Oxford 911 bridge type setup. Contains a Seagate 750GB ATA hard drive. Partitioned into Time Machine, Tiger 10.4.11, OS 9.1, APPS and DOCS partitions. CCC did not seem to successfully bless the OS X copy, although the CCC Log says differently ... it did not show up under Startup Disk Items when connected via USB2, but it did show up when connected by FW400. When you look at the partition, no folders had the usual icons for OS X, Applications, etc. Just plain folders. Would not startup under OS 9.1 from the FW drive either. I was hoping it would boot off the card ... but initial tests indicate not. I've read where the PCI Graphics won't boot off a FW off its own channel ... but I was hoping for a different story off a PCI card. Maybe someone knows how to correct this? InTech Speedtools or other might enable it? Bill Connellyartsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudiomyspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Permissions Question, CCC 3.1.2 under Tiger a few more Qs ...
I'll give it a try but not right away. Mel --- On Fri, 10/24/08, insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Permissions Question, CCC 3.1.2 under Tiger a few more Qs ... To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:50 PM On Oct 24, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Mel wrote: I might try the XPostFacto 4 Help to 'fix' the problem - I.E. to see if it will allow an adaptec PCI card such as a 2940UB et al to enable me to boot from an external HD. Problem is I haven't the foggiest notion of how to use XPostFacto 4 Help. I've downloaded, printed and will study the following: Other World Computing: OS X for Legacy MacsEnabling the Use PatchedRagePro option in XPF can help. XPostFacto 4 will run in Mac OS 9.x or Mac OS X 10.2 through 10.4, but it will only install ... eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/Framework.cfm?page= XPostFacto.html Mel If your setup is working, you might just leave it alone ... you might also ask around if Xpostfacto is designed to work on machines after the PCI Graphics Yikes! It was originally designed mostly for legacy Macs like the 8500, 9500 and Beige. Macs that were all PCI I might generalize. But, if you're like me, you'll put in the old cards and try. I had a working copy of my OS X on one internal disk that is bootable. That is the one to indicate as the Helper in the Xpostfacto window. Once you have your PCI Cards installed and hard drives connected, along with a bootable version of your OS X on both internal and external drives, just run Xpostfacto 4 from that partition, select the OS X you want to boot from on your external drive, also in the Xpostfacto 4 window, check to see if the Helper disk containing the bootable OS X, is selected as well, and just hit Restart. I'm not sure if you can mix OSs: like go from Helper Tiger into SCSI Panther ... but maybe? Unless I missed something ... It's pretty much that simple. SCSI might offer an additional challenge, but if it works like the FW/USB connected hard drives, it should be pretty much that simple. Since my Helper disk sounds like a SCSI drive, I can hear it working, and hear / see when it switches to the more quiet FW drive to continue booting from my external drive. Pretty seamless transition. Good luck. Bill Connellyartsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudiomyspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Scanner software works in 10.3 but not 10.4--how come?
Also a G4 or a G3 BW hardly takes any space and RAM is inexpensive as are internal Hard drives. --- On Sun, 10/19/08, aussieshepsrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: aussieshepsrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scanner software works in 10.3 but not 10.4--how come? To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 3:03 PM Thanks Mel, Does anyone have any further input on my suggestion beyond what Mel had to say? Richard On Oct 16, 9:28 pm, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You thinking is spot on especially when there are a plethora of inexpensive used G4s that will do the job perfectly. Plus a spare computer is always nice to have around. Mel --- On Thu, 10/16/08, aussieshepsrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: aussieshepsrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scanner software works in 10.3 but not 10.4--how come? To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:21 PM HiYa Tom, This may be a stupid question, but upon scanning through this thread a very straight forward solution is jumping out at me. That solution is to operate in 10.3 to use this scanner. The 'stupid' question is whether that overlooks anything seriously important to the functionality or 'safety' of Tom's hardware. I know for a fact that to choose the SCSI Scanner Tom has decided upon to undertake his Slide Scanning with means he took the Much LESS Expensive route for accomplishing it. He was able to do so because he has a SCSI capable computer. If the march of time in the OS world left the Minolta Software behind, I am of the opinion that he should go Oh Well and continue to use 10.3 until his scanning is done. If it's necessary to keep both 10.3 and 10.4 OS's around, it's a small inconvenience to live with -Unless- there are technical obstacles to that. Personally, I'm of the mind that if 10.4 is a requirement for Tom to be in or primarily use, get another quicksilver or a more upscale machine and dedicate one to his Film Scanning. It might also speed up his scanning a lot because he can fiddle away on one Mac while the other fiddles away on his scanning. Please Enlighten Me on any 'holes' in my thoughts on Tom's obstacles here. Knowlege is a wonderful thing. Richard On Oct 14, 10:52 pm, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Quicksilver 1GHz DP running 10.4.11, with a SCSI card (Adaptec 2930) in it to run a big old SCSI Minolta film scanner (Dimage Scan Multi II). The scanner came with its proprietary Minolta software (Dimage Scan Utility), which works very well, but it only works in in 10.3.9. So, to use the scanner, I have to reboot back into 10.3.9 (which is on an external hard drive), do the scans in 10.3, and then reboot into 10.4 again to use them. This is OK, but slow and kind of a nuisance. I sure wish I could scan film in 10.4.11. There are no updates on the Minolta website beyond what I have, which is 2004 software. Anybody got any idea why this software will work in 10.3, but not in 10.4, and how I might get it to work in 10.4? Thanks for any help! Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re. G4 DA with corrupted OS on master HD and slave HD
OK. I'll try that later today. (option key) Mel --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re. G4 DA with corrupted OS on master HD and slave HD To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 9:59 AM On Sep 16, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Mel wrote: I have been using a 667 MHz G4 DA for the last 18 months running flawlessly and currently running on 1.5 MB SDRAM.The G4 has a master 36 GB HD with no partitions with 31 GB unused and a formerly working OS 10.4.11 installed. The G4 also has a second slave 40+GB HD installed with three partitions: a working OS 10.4.11 in one partition, a working OS 10.2.8 in a second partition and a non working OS 10.4.11 in the third partition which unfortunately is the current selected start-up system. The current situation is that the start up disk is the third partition which on start-up with a blue screen almost at the end of the boot-up. The screen says that a debug module is missing and instructs a shut down and restart of the computer. I was originally using the master HD with no problems and then downloaded an update to Itunes without first clearing up a failure of Firefox. When I restarted, the G4 never got out of the spinning wheel. So I tried a restart while depressing the shift/option/command/ delete keys and the G4 booted-up using OS 10.4.11 from the first partition of the slave HD. Then I copied the contents of the master HD to the third partition of the slave HD and that completed successfully. I then reinstalled OS 10.4 and 10.4.11 on the third partition and restarted with the third partition of the slave HD as the boot-up HD and got the message that a debug module is missing and instructs a shut down and restart of the computer.. Doing a restart with the the shift/option/command/delete keys depressed does assign the boot-up drive to the master HD but I then get the spinning wheel. The G4 DA is set to open on the OS in the third partition and I don't know of anyway to change the OS to startup either in the first or second partition because the G4 DA will not boot amnd allow me to change the start up partition. I have tried booting with a start up update OS disk by holding down the C key. I have tried booting by holding down the shift key. I have tried booting by holding down the command/option/shift and delete but all that does is change the start up HD from the third partition to the master HD. You don't mention it, so it may not be available on the DA's -- But Try holding the 'option(AKA Alt) key' while booting. Chuck D. I don't have a good DVD with OS 10.4 and an 10.4.11 update as the one I used didn't work. Any suggestions? Does anyone have a working DVD with OS 10.4 and 10.4.11 update with the documentation that I can buy? Mel PS: I am typing this on another earlier model G4 which has OS 10.3.9 installed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PayPal Fraud...?
I didn't advise logging on to that site but initiating a new log on independent of that apparent scam. You've either misread my intent or I wasn't clear enough. As for but it is not paypals fault. - Good grief. How you inferred from what I wrote that is was PayPal's fault is beyond my ken. I referred to I gave up on PayPal over five years ago for similar reasons that have displeased you. not to PayPal itself. The key object is not PayPal but the similar reasons that have displeased you. Mel --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Len Gerstel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Len Gerstel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PayPal Fraud...? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 7:17 AM On Sep 13, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Mel wrote: --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Carl Nygren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Carl Nygren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PayPal Fraud...? To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:31 PM Hello all, I was going to log on to PayPal now, but a site popped up asking for name, address, credit card number, CVV2, date of credit card expiry, bank account info, and Social Security Number. snip So what I'm trying to ask here is: has anyone else outside the States run into this? Is it a scam or is PayPal going nuts? Carl It is most likely a scam. In your instance, if you were going to log onto PayPal, just do so and ignore what the alleged PayPal site wants from you When in doubt, don't give information to anyone who asks you unless you know them. NO!!! He was at a fake site. If he logged on from there, he has given them his paypal account information. Whenever in doubt, close your current browser tab or window (to be extra safe or paranoid, quit and relaunch your browser), create a new window or tab and manually type in the address you were going to. Mel PS: I gave up on PayPal over five years ago for similar reasons that have displeased you. That is up to you, but it is not paypals fault. They are just an easy target for the scammers who know that it is always September on the net and are looking for the easily fooled newbies and careless experienced users. Have you also given up prescription drugs because of all the fake sites and spam? Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: question about memory for my G4
I have just bought three 512 MB SDRAM from OWC for a 667 MHz G4. Each SDRAM has 8 chips on side and none of them will boot up the G4 DA. OWC has stated that they will honor the life time warranty and replace the SDRAM. Does your advice abput using double sided low density SDRAM on a Quicjksilver also apply to the G4 DA? I am currently using 3 SDRAM which are double-sided with 8 chips on each side. Memory is configured as follows: DIMM0/j21 256 MB SDRAM PC-133-333 OK DIMM1/j22 512 MB SDRAM PC-133-333 OK DIMM2/j23 512 MB SDRAM PC-133-333 OK DIMM3/j24 empty empty empty empty Mel Total SDRAM is 1.25 GB. Note: I can't find the fourth slot on the G4 DA and prresume that the G4 DA only has three slots for memory.. --- On Tue, 9/2/08, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: question about memory for my G4 To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 12:36 PM You can add up to 1.5 GB RAM (3 sticks of 512 MB) PC133. It has to be true low density RAM, recognizable by having 16 chips per stick, 8 on the front and 8 on the back. OWC sells them new for around $35 or you could check the LEM swap list. If you got two more 256 MB that would bring your total up to 768 MB, which is pretty good for running Panther or Tiger. PC 133 low-density 256 MB are as cheap as $15 for used pulls. On Sep 2, 3:14 pm, cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 384mb of memory on this G4 quicksilver. I'm not too savvy about this tech stuff. How much more memory can I add? I have one empty slot. And which kind should I get? The ones in there now are pc133, one 256mb and one 128mb. I'd like to go to at least 512 or more if possible. Thanks! Cheryl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: question about memory for my G4
Thanks. Mel --- On Tue, 9/2/08, diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: question about memory for my G4 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 2:27 PM At 2:21 PM -0700 9/2/08, Mel wrote: Total SDRAM is 1.25 GB. Note: I can't find the fourth slot on the G4 DA and prresume that the G4 DA only has three slots for memory.. Hi Mel, I just helped someone buy a DA and I can confirm there are only 3 slots. It has single-sided chips in it. I don't know how it fairs with double sided ones. I usually get my ram from Data Memory Systems Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I Love This Group
I have no objection. Mel --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I Love This Group To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:54 AM May I copy this text to the Psystar debate thread? I think it applies there as well. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key is using what you need, not what others tell you that you should want. That is what marketing people prefer you to believe and they have lots of true believers who will march in lock step and almost stampede to get the latest this or that while not realizing or if realizing, not caring that they are on a tread mill which pace is dictated by others. Too many people fall prey to the latest pied-piper and for those who castigate them for using 'old' computers, just act like The Virginian and smile and stay out of the way of any mob that delights in plunging off a cliff (I.E. buying the latest equipment without need of same). When they ask you to join, smile, point to the nearest cliff and wish them bon voyage. There is an old adage, a thought that is prudent to remember and to invoke by deed, not not necessarily by word: Your sense of offense does not establish my principles. --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Yersinia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Yersinia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I Love This Group To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 8:24 AM Simon writes, I have been reading some posts over the past few weeks with amazement. I thought I was a minority with my love of old Macs. By old Macs I mean pre-G3, G3 and early G4. Talks on PowerMac 7500s, Performas, Beige G3, BW G3, tray loading iMacs to name but a few. I belong to my local Mac group and they can be very snobby at times, even my Intel iMac (the first model from Jan 06) is regarded as old by them. Then I go and ask a question about RAM problems in a Cube, display problems with a PowerBook 1400cs, Clamshell iBook parts or help with an LC2 and the sarcastic comments flourish. It is so nice to be amongst people who love older Macs as much as I do. and Mel writes, I too. Suppose that you lived less than two miles from the local shopping center where you did grocery shopping. Suppose that the speed limit was 35 MPH to and fro the shopping center.. Suppose you could obtain a model T Ford that might need a minor repair once very five years, a repair that you could make within several minutes and without tools. To continue the metaphor ad absurdum: Suppose the model T was the size of a IIci; suppose you had several spare IIci(s) bought for less than $20.00 each; suppose you had enough of almost any spare you might need for another 30 years. Suppose someone offered you a Rolls Royce for less than $50,000 to be used just for grocery shopping. What would you say in that event? My off-line machine serving my various needs has been a 25 MHz IIci since 1989 wherein I still use WORD 4.0 and EXCEL 2.2. It is configured with 32 MB memory with a 1.2 GB HD and is attached to an ancient Image Writer II that works fine. It is my model T. My online machine is a 667 MHz G4 DA, it having replaced another work horse 7300/180 two years ago (both bought for a song used and both with a lot of spares). You are not alone. ;-) Definitely not. I must say, I find this thread both interesting and surprising, because I remember when, as it was only a couple of years ago, when my Main Macs were my Beige G3 desktop (OS 9.2.2) and my Powerbook 5300c (OS 8.6) -- on numerous occasions, I was being exhorted to upgrade to OS X by various and sundry members of this list -- and I was, yes of course I admit it! -- a vehement, stubborn-beyond-redemption stick in the mud OS 9 diehard who totally refused (I wasn't going anywhere near OS X with a Beige!), and being told I was living in the past. Well naturally, of course I appreciate it if and when people still love older Macs -- and yes, even in spite of the aforementioned exhortations to upgrade/being told I was living in the past, I love this group too (I joined in 2003 IIRC, after having been on the PCI and Powerbooks lists: I'm actually still on the Powerbooks list although I also joined the G-Books and the Mac OS 9 lists) -- it's just that on that note, I'm a bit surprised to see this thread of praises for old Macs and the people who love them! I've never belonged to a local Mac user group, only LEM lists (LOL, Mac User Groups whose meetings I can attend at home!) so I can't speak to whether my local one(s) here have snobs for members, but I do remember feeling, back then, that some of the exhortation from G-List members to move up to OS X and/or a newer Mac sometimes came across to me as on the snobbish side and a little inconsiderate of the facts, which I'd mentioned, that (a) I only rarely have
