Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[MaGioZal]

On 2/15/10 9:28 AM, Kris Tilford at  wrote:

> That's great to know. I only have experience with the VIA Combo card
> that isn't backwards compatible to OS 9, and also isn't very good in
> OS X. I wouldn't recommend a VIA card


VIA Cards are usable only if the Mac has a system equal or superior to 10.3.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[MaGioZal]

On 2/15/10 3:14 PM, Kasey Smith at  wrote:

> Works fine in OS9 on the B&W but not on the Molar Mac
> (beige G3)


That's weird. Theoretically, NEC cards should work even within a Performa
6360! Have you checked the USB driver configuration and/or Mac OS
installation on the Molar Mac's HD?
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Kasey Smith wrote:

Yeah, I have a USB2 card here in my PowerMac thats all black and  
has an NEC chipset. Works fine in OS9 on the B&W but not on the  
Molar Mac (beige G3).


Yes, and I now remember WHY that is. The Beige Macs had an earlier  
implementation of the PCI bus, and when USB 2.0 came along everyone  
had moved onto a newer PCI bus standard. The B&W was the 1st Mac to  
get the newer PCI bus, and this is why some cards work in the B&W  
and newer Macs but fail in the Beige and earlier. There is no  
solution.


That would not explain it though as the card works fine in OSX on the  
beige mac ;)


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Kasey Smith wrote:

Yeah, I have a USB2 card here in my PowerMac thats all black and has  
an NEC chipset. Works fine in OS9 on the B&W but not on the Molar  
Mac (beige G3).


Yes, and I now remember WHY that is. The Beige Macs had an earlier  
implementation of the PCI bus, and when USB 2.0 came along everyone  
had moved onto a newer PCI bus standard. The B&W was the 1st Mac to  
get the newer PCI bus, and this is why some cards work in the B&W and  
newer Macs but fail in the Beige and earlier. There is no solution.


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:38 AM, MaGioZal wrote:


On 2/9/10 7:38 PM, Kris Tilford at  wrote:


Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige.
With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card,  
one
for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the  
USB

card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll
probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 & Firewire 400 in one card.


Well, I think it is not *exactly* that way...;-)

The most important thing to remember is that non-VIA USB 2.0 PCI  
cards (like
the NEC I am using here) will do work on Mac OS 9, because these  
cards are

backward-compatible. Obviously there is no support for high-speed data
transfers under OS 9, but the card and the ports will work normally  
as USB

1.1.

And AFAIK, non-VIA FireWire-USB combo cards are compatible Mac OS  
9, too.


Yeah, I have a USB2 card here in my PowerMac thats all black and has  
an NEC chipset. Works fine in OS9 on the B&W but not on the Molar Mac  
(beige G3)


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 15, 2010, at 4:38 AM, MaGioZal wrote:


Well, I think it is not *exactly* that way...;-)

The most important thing to remember is that non-VIA USB 2.0 PCI  
cards (like
the NEC I am using here) will do work on Mac OS 9, because these  
cards are

backward-compatible. Obviously there is no support for high-speed data
transfers under OS 9, but the card and the ports will work normally  
as USB

1.1.

And AFAIK, non-VIA FireWire-USB combo cards are compatible Mac OS 9,  
too.


That's great to know. I only have experience with the VIA Combo card  
that isn't backwards compatible to OS 9, and also isn't very good in  
OS X. I wouldn't recommend a VIA card, but it kinda works ok if you  
have the additional software. I've heard the Adaptec combo card is  
good, but I've never used one.


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[MaGioZal]

On 2/9/10 7:38 PM, Kris Tilford at  wrote:

> Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige.
> With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card, one
> for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the USB
> card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll
> probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 & Firewire 400 in one card.

Well, I think it is not *exactly* that way...;-)

The most important thing to remember is that non-VIA USB 2.0 PCI cards (like
the NEC I am using here) will do work on Mac OS 9, because these cards are
backward-compatible. Obviously there is no support for high-speed data
transfers under OS 9, but the card and the ports will work normally as USB
1.1.

And AFAIK, non-VIA FireWire-USB combo cards are compatible Mac OS 9, too.
 




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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:11 PM, deadwinter wrote:


See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and  I
have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet.
The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity
drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive.  Has
anyone around here done this successfully?


Yes, I have. I used to boot from a 250GB Firewire HD with OS 10.4.11  
on both my Beige w/450 G4 CPU, and an old 7600 w/450 G4 CPU. It works  
fine.


Here's what you do:

Clone the OS from the internal HD to the external using Carbon Copy  
Cloner, SuperDuper!, or any other clone utility. Then launch  
XPostFacto 4 on the internal HD and select the internal HD as the XPF  
"helper" and the external FW drive as the boot volume, and restart.  
Should boot.


If you need assistance I can help off-list.

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[deadwinter]

On Feb 9, 4:38 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:

>
> Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a  
> Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8  
> GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also  
> do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility.
>


See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and  I
have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet.
The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity
drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive.  Has
anyone around here done this successfully?

-carlos

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 09-02-2010 20:13, Gus, gusr...@comcast.net, wrote:

> What is the maximum ram you can put into
> the beige G3 Desktop?

In my grandson's beige G3 DT/300 are mounted 3  256MB - PC66 3.3v,
unbuffered, 8-byte, x64 non-parity 168-pin SDRAM (Low Profile) sticks.
Works flawlessly!

Jo Hissel

 

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[t...@io.com]

On Feb 9, 3:38 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:

> Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige.
> With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card, one
> for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the USB
> card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll
> probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 & Firewire 400 in one card. I
> suppose you could squeeze in an ATA card by using a Sonnet Tempo Trio
> card, but that's an expensive card and doesn't get you much over
> simply booting from Firewire to begin with.

The SIIG FW/USB2/Giganet card was available for under $25 for a
while.  I think they're all gone now.  That was a nice card for the
Beige.  The only thing that would have made it better would have been
for the FW to be 800 instead of 400...

Jeff Walther

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[t...@io.com]

On Feb 9, 5:39 pm, "Gorka L Martinez Mezo"  wrote:
> > You could if there were such a thing.  I've never heard of one.  The
> > internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended
> > for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but
> > directly.  Such drives never materialized.
>
> Thanks for the answer! It makes a lot of sense, had no idea anybody ever
> talked about a FW HD. I could find no space (not to mention heat dissipation
> problems!) to fit a FW enclosure INSIDE a beige desktop!

You wouldn't install an entire enclosure.   You would purchase a
separate Firewire-to-IDE bridge board and install that along with the
hard drive.  However, the bridge board might cost close to the same as
an ATA-133 card would unless you shop carefully.   Alternatively, if
you found a very cheap FW enclosure, you might be able to just steal
the bridge board out of that if it is on a separate PCB from the power
supply.

It's weird.  I sometimes see entire enclosures for under $20.  I never
see just the bridge board, which is only one component of the
enclosure, for that price.

e.g.:



The above are FW800 to 4 X PATA drives.   There are cheaper bridges
that support only one or two IDE drives and whose interface is limited
to FW400.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote:

You could if there were such a thing.  I've never heard of one.   
The internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was  
intended for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE  
convertor but directly. Such drives never materialized.


Thanks for the answer! It makes a lot of sense, had no idea anybody  
ever talked about a FW HD. I could find no space (not to mention  
heat dissipation problems!) to fit a FW enclosure INSIDE a beige  
desktop!


I used the one on mine to thread out a FW cable to connect to my video  
camera; I'd removed the dead Zip drive from mine so the cable came  
right out through the slot in the front.


Much handier than reaching around the back.

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

You could if there were such a thing.  I've never heard of one.  The 
internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended 
for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but 
directly.  Such drives never materialized.


Thanks for the answer! It makes a lot of sense, had no idea anybody ever 
talked about a FW HD. I could find no space (not to mention heat dissipation 
problems!) to fit a FW enclosure INSIDE a beige desktop!


Gorka from Spain. 


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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

I think you mean 4GB and 40GB. My G3 here also has a 40GB in it :D


Yup! I was on RAM size mode while writing :-)

Gorka from Spain

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RE: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kasey Smith]

-Original Message-
From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gorka L Martinez Mezo
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

> 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66,  PC100, 
> or PC133 SDRAM DIMM.

The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently "resurrected" (by simply changing the

PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005 
(when it was used for the last time).

I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to

tinker with this old machine.

BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM 
DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the
machine.

I think you mean 4GB and 40GB. My G3 here also has a 40GB in it :D

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Clark Martin]

On 2/9/10 2:23 PM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote:

Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a
Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8
GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also
do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility.


Now you mention it... the PCI USB&FW card has one internal FW400 port.
Can it be used with a INTERNAL FW HD enclosure??


You could if there were such a thing.  I've never heard of one.  The 
internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended 
for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but 
directly.  Such drives never materialized.


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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a 
Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8  GB 
limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also  do, 
but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility.


Now you mention it... the PCI USB&FW card has one internal FW400 port. Can 
it be used with a INTERNAL FW HD enclosure??


Gorka from Spain 


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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

It is a tad slow.. But what I am using it for it not that processor

intensive, however it does require the memory to run properly.  Seems
it spends most of its time scrolling out to virtual, finally starts
thrashing, and then requires a hard reset.  :(<<<

I checked and saw the machine was configured with 769Mb of virtual memory on 
his own dedicated HD partition. No doubt when it was used with Photoshop 5 
it did need a bit more of RAM! The owner had not much memories about how it 
was configured as the machine had been stored since July 2005 and only took 
from storage late last year for one hour of usage before the PRAM battery 
failed and started to cause problems.


This particular machine had 2Mb of VRAM and the motherboard has "Rev.A" 
written just under tghe the PCI slots (one has a 2xUSB 1.1 2xFW 400 PCI 
card)


Gorka from Spain 


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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Len Gerstel]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Da'Birdman wrote:


Gus,
When you're shopping for RAM for a Desktop Beige, make sure to buy
"low profile" RAM, as the full size sticks will not allow the top
portion of the casing to snap into place.


There is a semi easy fix for this. The fan shroud for the power  
supply is the problem. The fan is recessed, but for some reason the  
shroud protrudes. You can snip this off with tin snips and the case  
will close fine. Just watch your fingers after this surgery.


Len

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:23 PM, t...@io.com wrote:


The built-in IDE on the Beige is only 16 MB/s.   It just begs for an
ATA-133 PCI card, although cable routing is a pain.



An ATA-133 card is going to be limited to ATA-66 speed because of the  
bus limitations of the Beige. The only advantage of an ATA-133 card  
over some ATA-100 cards and all ATA-66 cards is the LBA48 support for  
HDs greater than 128 GB.


Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a  
Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8  
GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also  
do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility.


Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige.  
With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card, one  
for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the USB  
card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll  
probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 & Firewire 400 in one card. I  
suppose you could squeeze in an ATA card by using a Sonnet Tempo Trio  
card, but that's an expensive card and doesn't get you much over  
simply booting from Firewire to begin with.


On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

But consider the cost of a PCI IDE card.  It'll likely be more cost  
effective to move up to a newer model that has a faster IDE bus  
built in.  I just bought a MDD on e-bay for $100, that's not much  
more than an IDE card.


I totally agree. Upgrading these old Beige Macs is generally not cost  
effective. The "sweet spot" has moved to newer Macs, with the MDD  
sitting near ground zero for this moment in time.


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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Da'Birdman]

Gus,
When you're shopping for RAM for a Desktop Beige, make sure to buy
"low profile" RAM, as the full size sticks will not allow the top
portion of the casing to snap into place.  I own one of these, too,
and it's been a problem in the past.  OWC has these for less than $16
(no affiliation, yada, yada, yada. . .).  Just saying. . .

Scott Birdwell
DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies
Houston TX
www.defalcos.com

On Feb 9, 2:27 pm, Gus  wrote:
> It is a tad slow.. But what I am using it for it not that processor
> intensive, however it does require the memory to run properly.  Seems
> it spends most of its time scrolling out to virtual, finally starts
> thrashing, and then requires a hard reset.  :(
>
> So tiger with 192 mb doesn't get it done.. lol  Gonna have to get a
> bit more memory in there for what I am doing.
>
> On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, "Gorka L Martinez Mezo"  wrote:
>
> > > 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66,  PC100,
> > > or PC133 SDRAM DIMM.
>
> > The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently "resurrected" (by simply changing the
> > PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005
> > (when it was used for the last time).
>
> > I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to
> > tinker with this old machine.
>
> > BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM
> > DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the
> > machine.
>
> > Gorka from Spain

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Clark Martin]

On 2/9/10 12:23 PM, t...@io.com wrote:



On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, "Gorka L Martinez Mezo"  wrote:


BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM
DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the
machine.


The built-in IDE on the Beige is only 16 MB/s.   It just begs for an
ATA-133 PCI card, although cable routing is a pain.

When shipped the slow IDE was not a problem because the hard drives
they shipped wtih were even slower (in terms of real world data-to-
platters data rate).


But consider the cost of a PCI IDE card.  It'll likely be more cost 
effective to move up to a newer model that has a faster IDE bus built 
in.  I just bought a MDD on e-bay for $100, that's not much more than an 
IDE card.


That's if you can find an IDE card.  I just did a real quick search and 
the only I found was a combo PATA/SATA (for $90).




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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gus]

Thanks for tips!!

On Feb 9, 1:26 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Gus wrote:
>
> > What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop?
>
> 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66,  
> PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. Low-density means chips on both sides of  
> the module, meaning 16 chips total, 8 on each side; rather than 8 or 4  
> chips on only one side, which is high-density. If you use high-density  
> it will only be recognized as half the size (if it recognizes at all,  
> some doesn't). I've never heard of anyone using high-density 512 MB  
> sticks to max out a Beige, but I suppose it's possible? Get low-
> density if at all possible. Most sellers know about the difference,  
> OWC is good about the distinction, but ANY low-density should work,  
> it's just that most available now is high-density.

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gus]

It is a tad slow.. But what I am using it for it not that processor
intensive, however it does require the memory to run properly.  Seems
it spends most of its time scrolling out to virtual, finally starts
thrashing, and then requires a hard reset.  :(

So tiger with 192 mb doesn't get it done.. lol  Gonna have to get a
bit more memory in there for what I am doing.

On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, "Gorka L Martinez Mezo"  wrote:
> > 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66,  PC100,
> > or PC133 SDRAM DIMM.
>
> The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently "resurrected" (by simply changing the
> PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005
> (when it was used for the last time).
>
> I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to
> tinker with this old machine.
>
> BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM
> DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the
> machine.
>
> Gorka from Spain

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gus]

That hits the nail on the head.. Thanks..

On Feb 9, 1:27 pm, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Gus wrote:
>
> > I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and
> > referenced Mactracker for the specifications.  It says that the max
> > memory is 192MB (apple) and 768mb (actual).  I am not sure I
> > understand what that means.  What is the maximum ram you can put into
> > the beige G3 Desktop?
>
> Many of Apple's older systems have official RAM specifications based  
> on available RAM modules when the system was originally shipped.
>
> In the case of the Beige G3's the largest available DIMMS at the time  
> of release were 64 Megs, hence 3 x 64 megs = 192.
>
> However, the circuitry can handle up to 256megs per slot, so  
> eventually, when 256 meg DIMMS were available, the system was  
> upgradeable to 768 MB.
>
> Most reputable RAM vendors (such as Data Memory Systems 
>   > will show you the maximum configurable RAM for your system.
>
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>
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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[t...@io.com]

On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, "Gorka L Martinez Mezo"  wrote:

> BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM
> DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the
> machine.

The built-in IDE on the Beige is only 16 MB/s.   It just begs for an
ATA-133 PCI card, although cable routing is a pain.

When shipped the slow IDE was not a problem because the hard drives
they shipped wtih were even slower (in terms of real world data-to-
platters data rate).

Jeff Walther

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[t...@io.com]

On Feb 9, 1:13 pm, Gus  wrote:
> I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and
> referenced Mactracker for the specifications.

> Any other practical tips I should know before proceeding?

There have been some reports (I don't know how reliable) of folks who
couldn't get 256 MB DIMMs to work reliably in their Beige G3s even
when they had the proper two bank (low density) modules.

I found that if pin 122 of the ROM DIMM is tied to Ground, then the
Beige will not support more than 512 MB of RAM total.There may be
some ROM modules out there where pin 122 is tied to ground, causing
RAM problems.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66,  PC100, 
or PC133 SDRAM DIMM.


The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently "resurrected" (by simply changing the 
PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005 
(when it was used for the last time).


I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to 
tinker with this old machine.


BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM 
DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the 
machine.


Gorka from Spain 


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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Gus wrote:


I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and
referenced Mactracker for the specifications.  It says that the max
memory is 192MB (apple) and 768mb (actual).  I am not sure I
understand what that means.  What is the maximum ram you can put into
the beige G3 Desktop?


Many of Apple's older systems have official RAM specifications based  
on available RAM modules when the system was originally shipped.


In the case of the Beige G3's the largest available DIMMS at the time  
of release were 64 Megs, hence 3 x 64 megs = 192.


However, the circuitry can handle up to 256megs per slot, so  
eventually, when 256 meg DIMMS were available, the system was  
upgradeable to 768 MB.


Most reputable RAM vendors (such as Data Memory Systems  will show you the maximum configurable RAM for your system.


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College of Pharmacy
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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Gus wrote:


What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop?


768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66,  
PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. Low-density means chips on both sides of  
the module, meaning 16 chips total, 8 on each side; rather than 8 or 4  
chips on only one side, which is high-density. If you use high-density  
it will only be recognized as half the size (if it recognizes at all,  
some doesn't). I've never heard of anyone using high-density 512 MB  
sticks to max out a Beige, but I suppose it's possible? Get low- 
density if at all possible. Most sellers know about the difference,  
OWC is good about the distinction, but ANY low-density should work,  
it's just that most available now is high-density.


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Beige Desktop Ram Question

[Gus]

I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and
referenced Mactracker for the specifications.  It says that the max
memory is 192MB (apple) and 768mb (actual).  I am not sure I
understand what that means.  What is the maximum ram you can put into
the beige G3 Desktop?

On a related note.  It would seem that the PC-66 ram would have gone
down in price considerably since I bought the computer new.  Anyone
got a good source for either PC-66 or PC-100 that would run in this
Macintosh?

Any other practical tips I should know before proceeding?

Thank you,

Gus.

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