Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy doing commercial games, was: that really long subject line
Hi Che. Interesting thoughts, and I'm glad rr sold more copies, though I'm afraid I agree about the demo, and I'm glad this is going to be thought of in 2.0. one thing I will say is that Jeremy I know has talked about a larger project which i believe he has been working on, something fully online and very epic indeed, a combination of the mouse magic concept from his daytona game with a full online rpg with crafting, war, exploring etc. In fact when a chap called nocturnus from the audiogames.net forum had been prerelease testing castaways last week and posted about Jeremy's new game, I actually thought this was it. When this rpg gets done and how far it is along I don't know, but from what Jeremy has said he's been working on it for some time and it'll be a much grander affair than any of his games thus far, and before anyone asks no! we don't know when it's coming out. It's also likely to be commercial to at least some extent if nothing else to keep the game server running, though whether this will be a fee over time, special items for sale for real money, or some sort of perk for donations the way many online games have while keeping everything free I'm not sure. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi tom. I didn't realize the us money situation was so insane currently, in fact from conversations we've had about the relative price of things like pizza over there it actually seems things are cheaper than they are over here. then again, while our government is similarly selfish, they have at least now raised the minimum wage to £1600 a year, something in the region of 24 thousand dollars. i got my programmers' idea from my friend who is a professional web designer, and currently gets £23 thousand (he recently moved jobs from a 20 thousand one), which is only about $32 thousand. I can see why so many professionals from this country are moving to the us to get jobs, even apart from the fact there are just no jobs at all around here, a friend of mine with the iquivolent of 4 degrees including law and economics and a masters in human resources can only get temp office jobs, while I've seen people with doctorates working in supermarkits. When you put it like that, commercial game developement does seem more difficult as self finance, though if Che is write and Jeremy could sell more games than I thought that might well balance things out. there are however small indi developers who do support themselves, even down to single people working on one game like Sryth, or small teams like Core exiles, though nobody has done it with accessible games yet. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughts was Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Dark, Those are some very good questions. As with everything there are pros and cons with either solution so I'll explain each of your questions below in more detail in a question and answer format. Q: If we leave aside the cross platform issue and just talk about ease of developement, I'm just wondering what the reason to use C would be, sinse from your description it sounds rather like the long way round. A: Well, there are a number of key advantages to using a language like C++. besides the cross-platform issue C++ is a low level language that can be used to write anything from the Windows kernel, which is the core component of any os, to writing hardware drivers, to more advanced applications like games from scratch. The high level languages like Visual Basic can not do this because it depends on a runtime, a special API, that is most likely itself written in C or C++ which is both a strength and a weakness of languages like Visual Basic. visual Basic can write games and other applications but can not write an operating system or write hardware drivers etc. More importantly because C++ is more low level it is compiled into binary code, AKA machine language, and can instruct the system what to do directly without an intermediate piece of software between your program and your computer. This improves over all performance of the game or application. Unfortunately, most high level programming languages are easier but take a hit in regards to performance. For instance, if I program a game in Java or a .Net language my source code is compiled into an intermediate language that is interpreted on the fly by a runtime interpreter. If I write a game in C# .Net, for example, it creates a *.exe file, but its actually just instructions for the .Net runtime executable file which is written in C++. Although, this isn't a major concern for modern machines benchmark tests still show that .Net or Java apps lag behind in performance compared to an app written in C++. Another issue is installing dependencies. Back when I was using C# .Net for STFC and Montezuma's Revenge a lot of people didn't like the fact they had to download a 300 MB setup file for .Net, another 300 MB to upgrade DirecttX to get Managed DirectX for .Net, and then finally download and install the game itself. We were talking atleast 500 MB or so in dependencies for Windows XP just to bring the system up to date in order to play a game. With C++ you may have to install dependencies, but generally speaking if the app is using core APIs, native libraries, that come as a part of the operating system nothing special needs to be installed. This was one of the factors why I chose C++ to begin with. I don't mind installing one or two extra dll libraries, which maybe adds an extra meg or two to the setup file, but asking people to install 500 MB of .Net dependencies or 50 MB of Java dependencies or whatever is just a bit rediculous. Finally, there is the issue of security. C++ apps are compiled to binary which is not impossible to crack, but more difficult than most programming languages. Usually a developer can by a tool to encrypt the executable to make it very very hard to reverse engineer. .Net and Java don't have these safeguards, because they are compiled to an instruction language, an intermediate language, that can easily be decompiled back to Visual Basic, C#, or Java source code. Such apps need an obfuscator, to rewrite the intermediate language to keep this from happening, but it is widely known that high level languages are less secure than C++ for that reason. Q: Even entombed, was I believe programmed not in C but in in c# or C.net, and went from initial concept to 10 level monster in less than 18 months, with more floors following very quickly, yet it apparently uses one of these shortcut languages you mention. A: Yes, Entombed was written in C# .Net. C# .Net is a rapid development version of C++, extremely simplified compaired to the C++ language, and a developer can get things done very quickly in C# .Net. As you might recall when I took over Montezuma's Revenge from James North I had completely rewritten the game from scratch in like three months after getting the source. Of course, I updated, changed, and modified things, but I was on a fast track with that game. It took me something like 14 months to nearly complete it, and that's when Utopia landed on me like a house of bricks. If not for that unfortunate situation I'd have it all done in 15 months from starting date. So C# .Net or Visual Basic .Net are definitely one way to rapidly design software for Windows. Q: Is in fact cross platform compatibility the only reason why you couldn't write mota in vb6, or another shortcut orientated language? A: No. As I said above there were other factors to consider as well. At the time I started writing games .Net wasn't even a core component of Windows, and .Net games etc weren't that common and a lot of people were upset at having to
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Dark, Sure a person can make good money as a general Indi developer provided the game is open to the general public which makes a world of difference. If you have a million customers, and they each pay $1.00 towards that game you just cleared your first million on a game. It usually doesn't work out that good, but Indi developers do tend to fair pretty well simply because they have thousands of customers rather than a select few hundred. For instance, you said Entombed sold 500 copies. That's great, but small potatoes compared to what most Indi developers make off of downloads. An Indi developer can reasonably expect to sell that many copies per month per product which makes game programming a decent home job. Sryth is another good example, and I'm glad you braught it up. While it is certainly accessible its nothing more than a text based browser game. I forget what I paid the last time for a guild membership, perhaps $12, but if you spread that over 10,000 people you end up with an anual income of $120,000 which is pretty darn good money for a single online endever. I've thought of doing something similar because it is a good income for little work, and there is more money in a product accessible to everyone, and not much money in purely audio based games. Cheers! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I didn't realize the us money situation was so insane currently, in fact from conversations we've had about the relative price of things like pizza over there it actually seems things are cheaper than they are over here. then again, while our government is similarly selfish, they have at least now raised the minimum wage to £1600 a year, something in the region of 24 thousand dollars. i got my programmers' idea from my friend who is a professional web designer, and currently gets £23 thousand (he recently moved jobs from a 20 thousand one), which is only about $32 thousand. I can see why so many professionals from this country are moving to the us to get jobs, even apart from the fact there are just no jobs at all around here, a friend of mine with the iquivolent of 4 degrees including law and economics and a masters in human resources can only get temp office jobs, while I've seen people with doctorates working in supermarkits. When you put it like that, commercial game developement does seem more difficult as self finance, though if Che is write and Jeremy could sell more games than I thought that might well balance things out. there are however small indi developers who do support themselves, even down to single people working on one game like Sryth, or small teams like Core exiles, though nobody has done it with accessible games yet. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways
Well right now i have 2 farms, a weet farm, vinyard bakery and butcher shop. I have 2 farmers at the moment but i want to get that up to 3 or so, 3 knites at the moment, although my storehouse has been destroyed so i need another one. I also have 2 taverns with 2 cooks and bar tenders, 2 guard towers 1 mine 1 forge 1 hospital a saw mill and a textile and numerous houses. Need morw people though. -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways From: dark d...@xgam.org Date: 16:07:2011 5.42 am hi tom. Yes, building many farms is a mistake, sinse unlike in sound rts, buildings really take work in castaways. I myself usually just stick to two vedge farms, one wheat and one vinyard, with one farmer for each farm and perhaps some extra. At the end of my last game, i had 7 farmers working those four farms and was actually making far more food than my 62 people ate. As to knights, well I'm not sure on the optimum. as soon as I start to feel the goblins are advancing a bit fast, i make more knights. i suspect I've been going a bit too overboard on this, sinse last time I finished with 14 knights, and one chap on the audiogames.net forum had only 11 knights when he got to population 60 and finished. this is something again i haven't completely worked out the balance four. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b
Hi Dark, Grin. I wouldn't mind having a cook, hunter, a peasent, etc serve me hand and foot either. Lol! speaking of service jobs I just noticed there is a certain job class missing from Castaways. Perhaps Jeremy should ad a brothel and prostitutes to 1.0. then, we could spead up population production faster. Lol! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: yes I have! 9 hours and 40 minutes, though I am guessing that only counted the current save file and current program install, sinse unless I expressly wanted to keep my saved game I deleted the folder and replaced it with a new one. Stil shows how long my current game has taken though to finish the ship, and how much difference 0.9B made, ;D. As to the other messages, obviously Aprone needs a cook and peasant and farmer and hunter to serve him, ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jaws support in castaways and other games
Thank you sir, I'll give these a look in the morning. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways
HI Dark, Well, I must confess I have the Castaways bug too. If you can't see it my clock on my desk says the time is 3:08 AM in the flipping morning. The reason I'm up so late past my bedtime is Castaways. I've been playing it on and off all night. I switch between it and e-mail. I set a few things in place, write an e-mail, and make sure everything is cool, before moving onto the next message. Lol! The computers on, and your at home. Your will is not your own. Your tired, but you can't sleep. There's no doubt your in deep. You'd like to think your a super gamer. Oh, yeah. Closer to the truth I think you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Your throat is tight. You can't breath. You are playing at two different speeds. Your hands sweat. Your body shakes. There isn't a risk you won't take. Oh, you'd like to think you are a super gamer. Oh, yeah. Closer to the truth your going to have to face it your addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Cheers! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. blame it on playing way too much castaways ;D. It's odd, I don't usually find stratogy games my first choice. Games like sound rts and time of conflict I tend to pick up, play for a couple of days and then put way for several months again. I think this is mostly because of my love of exploring and seeing new things in games. this week though, I've had several! nights up playing the game. There were three radio dramas of torchwood, the dr. who spinoff, which I managed to miss thanks to castaways (though I did catch the main tv program because my parents phoned and reminded me). I've been wanting mush fixed for months, but haven't played alterean sinse last thursday! and last night i really! went over board on the game for a solid few hours from about 10 at night to 6 A m. I think what it is, is castaways has a heavy does of the judgement based gameplay I mentioned before. Then there is the reaction factor. In many stratogy games, it's a case of prepare, then let wrip and see how your preparations do, but in castaways you really need to stay on top of matters, tweaking things here and there, changing jobs around, planning and carrying out different goals while keeping your populous fed etc. Entombed (though the genre is different), has a very similar thought process to it, sinse you can't just numbercrunch your way into the best armour, and hit attack, attack, attack! but need to think about each battle and react to what your enemy is doing. This type of thing I find fascinating, having to change actions and stratogy at any one time to take into account the ongoing situation. it's a factor all the great games, marrio turrican, etc had, indeed Mega man was famous for it in boss fights, and it's fantastic to see in an accessible game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jaws support in castaways and other games
Hi, Interesting. Been looking over the say tools. It looks like it is primarily for a Python dev, but they have a little C++ code etc here to give you the general idea of how to use it as a general com component. the one thing I didn't see is any docs on the license agreement. If I were to include this in G3D for TTS support I'd like to know if it can safely be used with commercial products. On 7/15/11, Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za wrote: Jeremy, for windows implementation of screenreader voices, SayTools is a sort of simple wrapper for implementing support for using their own voices: http://www.empowermentzone.com/saysetup.exe Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
I can't understand it too. I needed a month to code a small piece of interactive fiction, that was full of bugs at the end so I have never released it. But this is reallz a record. Good work! Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Yohandy yohand...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:06 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Jeremy, You can't be human man. nope. you're some kind of robot or something. how on earth can you possibly program complex games so quickly? It's totally ridiculous. in a good way of course :D. have you realized the business potential? I'm scared to imagine what you'd whip up if you start working on a commercial audio game for like 6 to 8 months. I bet the game would be so good that you'll be able to sell it for around $60 with no problems. and most people will buy it! look at your games right now? everyone's downloading and playing them. that's what I call a successful developer! selling games is definitely something for you to consider I think. anyone else agree? Also, since you're fully sighted, it wouldn't necessarily need to be audio-based only. you could whip up some graphics and sell it to everyone! ok I'm getting a bit excited here haha. one thing we desperately need I think are beat-em-ups. or fighting games in general. not every blind person is willing to try something like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter no matter how much those of us that play try to convince them that they're accessible enough. Also thing with these fighting games is many of them are console based. I personally would love to play something like Streets of Rage online with other audio gamers. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Boy I wish I didn't have to work, lol, I wouldn't have to stop coding! :D If you do end up donating, believe me, it will be greatly appreciated. In fact, you would be my first donater! I don't think donater is actually a word, but oh well. Well sadly I'm heading out, have fun guys! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6298 (20110715) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6298 (20110715) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughts was Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Well a while back, I made up my mind never to argue about VB6 with Thomas again, so I'll just answer your questions Dark. Q. firstly, from a purely product orientated point of view, ie, what's in the game, is C better than vb 6? A. That just depends on what you're trying to create. That's a tricky question to answer, because it has been left pretty open to interpretation when you say better. Q. if you today handed jeremy all your sfx, prerecorded speach and music for mota and asked him to make a windows only vb6 version, would there be areas of fine sound positioning, physics, game mechanics and the like that wouldn't be possible in vb6, the way they are in c? I think this might be the case, but I'd be interested to know for certain. A. There would be absolutely no difference. The physics, game mechanics, and and sound are not affected by the language used. Q. Is in fact cross platform compatibility the only reason why you couldn't write mota in vb6, or another shortcut orientated language? A. This one is hard to answer because it is directed specifically at Thomas' coding proficiencies with different languages, but no, cross platform is the reason. Technically, this also only applies to Linux users, since we already know that Mac users play my games using VM fusion. Ok, I think I'll avoid getting myself involved with this topic, any more than this. I think Thomas is feeling a little left out people. Please think of his feelings, and pay him a bit of attention! Hehe. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
It seems you understand why I handled co op multiplayer, the way I did. By keeping everyone separate, and only sharing a representative character, it allows you to keep your own strategy and move at your own pace. Obviously people run the game at different speeds, and pause whenever they wish, so traditional multiplayer is almost out of the question. I still have adjustments to make, of course, but for the moment things seem pretty stable with the multiplayer. When I got home from work I noticed 4 people were playing. Dark, if you got pregnant, the other players should receive a new child from it! This actually brings up that odd hermaphrodite perk. I knew that people LOVE! me SO! MUCH! that even the males would want some way to have my babies. ROFL! Just kidding, but I couldn't resist writing that! :D If a player is a job you can't use, then they are simply useless to you. Odds are pretty slim of them being totally useless though, since they would still revert to a step lower on their chain. It would almost always become useful then. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughts was Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Tom. thanks for the full explanation. just going on what you've said though, I'm afraid it sounds as if when you next start on a new game outside your platform engine like the startrek or wrestling one, a different language from C++ may be better? I personally don't particularly mind downloading dependencies sinse often they are useful for other things (for instance other games), and while security and performance are both important for some programs (I would wager my avg antivirus and tuneup were written in C++), I do find myself wondering how much difference this makes to a game if it makes it so much more difficult and time consuming to program? Appologies if this seems hars, I know as a none programmer myself it's easy to sit and make judgements, however I will admit i've noticed a tendency that some programmers have (rather like logicians), to do something for reasons of efficiency of code or general structure which makes litle difference to the main user. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hopefully I didn't come off as pushing donations, lol. I would have felt bad if I completely missed a donation from someone, but I double checked, and I'm still at zero. I'm guessing you forgot. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways
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Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Tom. this is true, and is in fact the reason i no longer played sryth sinse it seemed the gm was getting far too greedy, sticking in areas that you couldn't get through without the uba gear from tallys workshop and expecting people to pay more than the initial subscription which by rights given that the game had over 2000 should've been more than enough). one thought I have had however, is that many audio games can pretty much double as textual or graphical ones with litle work on the interface. People stil pay for gamebooks, text games, interactive fiction or even ascii games like rogue and angband. Given this, if a game like entombed had a basic text interface that printed on screen output in text, with either a couple of arrows or words to indicate direction so that people did not have to rely upon the wind sound, you have a perfectly playable game. che could probably do a similar thing with the card room by adding basic card graphics, though with che the name blind adrenaline is a litle against him in attracting people's interest. The problem is however, people would not look at it as a normal game, but as a blind game, meaning it'd need a deal of rewording on it's website to appeal to others. audio games similarly, can appeal to sited people if they are presented not as blind games but as experimental new games with a revolutionary interface Look at what pappasanga as a good example. I'd actually be interested to see what would happen if David greenwood rewrote the description of shades of doom to remove the word accessible and subscribed it to one of the online download resellers like lulu to be sold along side more usual graphical games. I've had friends who are great doom players who were impressed by the atmosphere and action in shades simply because! of the lack of visuals, however the perception that disabled individuals are of another species and require their own special things, be that games, chairs, sticks or whatever. The amount of times someone has been shocked when i explain I use a standard windows pc with a normal keyboard that does not have braille on the keys or anything else. the sad truth is, if something includes the words accessible, or blind, people will not even try it. While this is obviously not a good thing socially, it is a truth that anyone trying to sell audio games to sited individuals needs to get used too. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways
hmmm darren, why two taverns? Given that the peasants need to carry stuff to the tavern in order for it to be useful, that strikes me as something that is more likely to slow things up overall, though as I've never tried multiple taverns I could be wrong about this. Other than the rather helpful redundency factor that if one goes down you've got another, multiple cooks didn't seem to do anything either when i tried, which is why even my population of 62 had the one tavern and one cook most of the time. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways Well right now i have 2 farms, a weet farm, vinyard bakery and butcher shop. I have 2 farmers at the moment but i want to get that up to 3 or so, 3 knites at the moment, although my storehouse has been destroyed so i need another one. I also have 2 taverns with 2 cooks and bar tenders, 2 guard towers 1 mine 1 forge 1 hospital a saw mill and a textile and numerous houses. Need morw people though. -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways From: dark d...@xgam.org Date: 16:07:2011 5.42 am hi tom. Yes, building many farms is a mistake, sinse unlike in sound rts, buildings really take work in castaways. I myself usually just stick to two vedge farms, one wheat and one vinyard, with one farmer for each farm and perhaps some extra. At the end of my last game, i had 7 farmers working those four farms and was actually making far more food than my 62 people ate. As to knights, well I'm not sure on the optimum. as soon as I start to feel the goblins are advancing a bit fast, i make more knights. i suspect I've been going a bit too overboard on this, sinse last time I finished with 14 knights, and one chap on the audiogames.net forum had only 11 knights when he got to population 60 and finished. this is something again i haven't completely worked out the balance four. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b
Actually tom a few versions ago that did happen! if you built a house, you got population growing like rabbits, and in fact I ended up losing when i had three children and three pregnant mothers in a population of 15. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b Hi Dark, Grin. I wouldn't mind having a cook, hunter, a peasent, etc serve me hand and foot either. Lol! speaking of service jobs I just noticed there is a certain job class missing from Castaways. Perhaps Jeremy should ad a brothel and prostitutes to 1.0. then, we could spead up population production faster. Lol! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: yes I have! 9 hours and 40 minutes, though I am guessing that only counted the current save file and current program install, sinse unless I expressly wanted to keep my saved game I deleted the folder and replaced it with a new one. Stil shows how long my current game has taken though to finish the ship, and how much difference 0.9B made, ;D. As to the other messages, obviously Aprone needs a cook and peasant and farmer and hunter to serve him, ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways
Lol tom, Sad, but true! Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question about farms in castaways HI Dark, Well, I must confess I have the Castaways bug too. If you can't see it my clock on my desk says the time is 3:08 AM in the flipping morning. The reason I'm up so late past my bedtime is Castaways. I've been playing it on and off all night. I switch between it and e-mail. I set a few things in place, write an e-mail, and make sure everything is cool, before moving onto the next message. Lol! The computers on, and your at home. Your will is not your own. Your tired, but you can't sleep. There's no doubt your in deep. You'd like to think your a super gamer. Oh, yeah. Closer to the truth I think you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Your throat is tight. You can't breath. You are playing at two different speeds. Your hands sweat. Your body shakes. There isn't a risk you won't take. Oh, you'd like to think you are a super gamer. Oh, yeah. Closer to the truth your going to have to face it your addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Might as well face it you are addicted to Castaways. Cheers! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. blame it on playing way too much castaways ;D. It's odd, I don't usually find stratogy games my first choice. Games like sound rts and time of conflict I tend to pick up, play for a couple of days and then put way for several months again. I think this is mostly because of my love of exploring and seeing new things in games. this week though, I've had several! nights up playing the game. There were three radio dramas of torchwood, the dr. who spinoff, which I managed to miss thanks to castaways (though I did catch the main tv program because my parents phoned and reminded me). I've been wanting mush fixed for months, but haven't played alterean sinse last thursday! and last night i really! went over board on the game for a solid few hours from about 10 at night to 6 A m. I think what it is, is castaways has a heavy does of the judgement based gameplay I mentioned before. Then there is the reaction factor. In many stratogy games, it's a case of prepare, then let wrip and see how your preparations do, but in castaways you really need to stay on top of matters, tweaking things here and there, changing jobs around, planning and carrying out different goals while keeping your populous fed etc. Entombed (though the genre is different), has a very similar thought process to it, sinse you can't just numbercrunch your way into the best armour, and hit attack, attack, attack! but need to think about each battle and react to what your enemy is doing. This type of thing I find fascinating, having to change actions and stratogy at any one time to take into account the ongoing situation. it's a factor all the great games, marrio turrican, etc had, indeed Mega man was famous for it in boss fights, and it's fantastic to see in an accessible game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and miscthoughts was Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Jeremy. One thing i've noticed abut it professionals as I said, is a tendency to worry about stuff that actually doesn't affect the end user. it's like buying whipped cream instead of actually pulling out a whisk and doing it yourself, or buying some frozen hash browns instead of physically mashing the spuds, battering them etc. there will be professional purist chefs who will think this is terrible and always ssay you should do the hole lot yourself, but then when people cannot physically tell the difference in the meal, you think what is the point? obviously in stuff like making gravy or pastry or sauce, you do! take the long method rather than using prepacked sinse it will change the end result, but if it makes no overall difference but adds on to the preparation time why bother? this was the reason for my question. audio games don't get produced half as often as they could be, and in order to help that situation examining what your making them with is always a good thing. previously I thought if a programmer was experienced in a given language, it was only the complexity of the project itself and life that changed matters, but oviously that's not the case, so I ask why. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Thanks, good to know, and it should give some fun randomness to the game. Methinks I just need to try it ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! It seems you understand why I handled co op multiplayer, the way I did. By keeping everyone separate, and only sharing a representative character, it allows you to keep your own strategy and move at your own pace. Obviously people run the game at different speeds, and pause whenever they wish, so traditional multiplayer is almost out of the question. I still have adjustments to make, of course, but for the moment things seem pretty stable with the multiplayer. When I got home from work I noticed 4 people were playing. Dark, if you got pregnant, the other players should receive a new child from it! This actually brings up that odd hermaphrodite perk. I knew that people LOVE! me SO! MUCH! that even the males would want some way to have my babies. ROFL! Just kidding, but I couldn't resist writing that! :D If a player is a job you can't use, then they are simply useless to you. Odds are pretty slim of them being totally useless though, since they would still revert to a step lower on their chain. It would almost always become useful then. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Well, easily fixed. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Hopefully I didn't come off as pushing donations, lol. I would have felt bad if I completely missed a donation from someone, but I double checked, and I'm still at zero. I'm guessing you forgot. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi dark, Well I think that given the technology available now making dare I say blind friendly games with even basic graphical interfaces should be possible and should be done now to open up the range of players and potential customers. It's rather silly really to just present a blank screen and say there you are play that. nobody is going to want to do it. because if the roles were reversed you wouldn't want 1 of your senses taken away by default, this is in essence what's happening here thus I think it's spoiling the potential for these types of games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b
hi aprone. I have just been on the forums and looked, just saw your message and looked at the game message. Yip you have got the theme of the game into the donations. I can see the message now, just before the game does a big crash warning!aprone is on the verge of starvation. THen the message, due to no donations aprone is no more, in revenge this game will selfdestruct and take your os with it!! haha!! At 09:42 a.m. 16/07/2011, you wrote: Has anyone looked at the special message, at the end of the How to Play section yet? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Did anyone read my message on the forum about that. Ok, hint he is partnered with lacutis. So its logical to assume he is part of the borg, or has hos own seperate collective. Who know whe has now he has been assimilated. Though who knows. No one works with the borg on a temp basis though. At 12:59 p.m. 16/07/2011, you wrote: hi aprone. i've said it many times,but i gotta say it again man,you're not a human,you're some sort of machine that programs so fast it's unbelievable that you put out this game with all this complex strategy that i could get the hang of just now,i'm trying to play it for a few days,but with atred'sbuilding descriptions and john's message to the list today it helped me a lot! i just imagine what you could create if you didn't had other things to do,like work,etc. lol,i think that in one year you could easyly beat a game like world of warcraft programming in that speed bro. i saw the message in the end of how to play,it's great to know how much time i'm spending with the game. i'm having some issues with my credit card registered to paypal. the thing is that my father got a new one and i don't have the details,but when i register this card with my account i'm 100% sure i'll be donating,it won't be much,but i'll try to donate 20 or 25,i think it will help. it can take a while though. thanks again for the wonderful work and for one more project that if it wasn't you,probably we would never have a game like this one,lunimals,temporal,well,everything,smiles. -Mensagem original- De: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sexta, 15 de Julho de 2011 17:42 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Hi Jeremy, I've said it before, but wow. This is an absolutely insane development pace for any game, audio or otherwise. I could understand, say, fleshing out a small text adventure in such a timespan, but a complicated strategy game like this one is another matter. Can't wait for the multiplayer, and congratulations on a wildly successful project. Best, Zack. On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: Well guys, Castaways has officially been in development for a week! It was last friday evening, when I came up with the idea, and subsequently worked out most of the code at work that night. It has come a long way, and still has a ways to go. At this very moment I've been running tests on the multiplayer portions of the game. To start, they are limited, but this will give me a good idea of the direction I should go in next. If I can finish my tests in time, I will be posting version 1.0b, which contains the basic multiplayer co op mode! Woot! I don't have much time before I go to work though, so I'm racing to finish! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] bug with castaways 0.9b strong start
Hi list. I am sure this has been reported before, but I just tried playing with the strong start option set, and I wasn't given my store house. I checked and I am definitely on 0.9b, but I couldn't find the store house when I hit shift d and shift f, and I did try leaving the game unpaused for a while, but nothing was moved, so I assume this feature isn't fully implemented yet or something. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bug with castaways 0.9b strong start
Hi Alex, No, what happens is that your storehouse is built instantly the moment you ask for it. Best, Zack. On Jul 16, 2011, at 4:10 AM, alex wallis wrote: Hi list. I am sure this has been reported before, but I just tried playing with the strong start option set, and I wasn't given my store house. I checked and I am definitely on 0.9b, but I couldn't find the store house when I hit shift d and shift f, and I did try leaving the game unpaused for a while, but nothing was moved, so I assume this feature isn't fully implemented yet or something. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] using nvda with castaways
Hmmm, I haven't actually used NVDA with the game for several versions, so that could very well explain my error. I like the way that I can change the sapi voice speed far more easily that nvda, thus my reason for sticking with it. -- From: dark d...@xgam.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 12:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using nvda with castaways If you mean the interupt of speaking new messages when old ones come in, I noticed this improved a lot in the last two versions, and will do so even more when you can mute some messages. Syncronizing with the sfx very much helped here. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] using nvda with castaways Odd. My NVDA cuts off just like sapi. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b
Hi, yes, and once to me happened that the most of the population were children. 9 children, a few mothers and a few adults, two of whom were sick. It happened because in one moment people started starving, so I succeeded saving the others, most of whom were children. But while they grew up, while I made some of them knights, goblins destroyed the strehouse and the hospital. I placed those on another place on the map, trying to be near to the tavern and other buildings, but goblins destroyed the tavern and the quory, I didn't have enough bricks and bye... Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b Actually tom a few versions ago that did happen! if you built a house, you got population growing like rabbits, and in fact I ended up losing when i had three children and three pregnant mothers in a population of 15. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b Hi Dark, Grin. I wouldn't mind having a cook, hunter, a peasent, etc serve me hand and foot either. Lol! speaking of service jobs I just noticed there is a certain job class missing from Castaways. Perhaps Jeremy should ad a brothel and prostitutes to 1.0. then, we could spead up population production faster. Lol! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: yes I have! 9 hours and 40 minutes, though I am guessing that only counted the current save file and current program install, sinse unless I expressly wanted to keep my saved game I deleted the folder and replaced it with a new one. Stil shows how long my current game has taken though to finish the ship, and how much difference 0.9B made, ;D. As to the other messages, obviously Aprone needs a cook and peasant and farmer and hunter to serve him, ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6298 (20110715) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6298 (20110715) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed andmisc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Darren. I'm not sure. For a game like shades, just as with what I've heard of papasanga, the very lack of visuals is what is appealing to sighted players because of the atmosphere and challenge it represents. It is true that even in these cases some sort of graphical logo or title is needed just to show the person the game is running, but actually a lot of audio games already have this, all draconis, troopanum etc (if you listened to justin's podcast he talks about getting his brother to do the picture for troop one). Games like entombed could get away with text only and essentially be markited as glorified gamebooks, or text games much as Sryth is. funnily enough, the audio games that would be hardest to markit would be those with simple graphics like sound rts, castaways etc. funnily enough, I think the hardest audio games to sell would be those with a rudimentary graphical interface like sound rts, time of conflict or even castaways. graphics are so much a part of games for sited players it's actually quite hard to explain how weerd it is when first trying audio games not! to have graphics. I found it so myself, and I had synaesthesia and far more experience relying on my hearing to compensate for my limited vision to help me get used to it than a normal sighted player would. %70 of the concern of sighted players is! graphics, look at how new consoles are markited, and even though many indi pc games have very retro graphics, it's stil graphics that is the concern. For instance, there is a new remake of my favourite graphical Turrican platformer being developed. What is the first thing that the developer says? it'll support more graphics in the background of levels than previous remakes. Even though turrican and it's remakes stil look at best like very good Snes games, this is what the developer saw as an important thing in his remake, and that's for a game who's gameplay isn't heavily graphically motivated. While there are some people who play games like angband with it's simple graphic tyles or ascii, or dwarf fortress which have very stil graphics and no animations at all, they are very much a specialized group. btw, and Animation would be hell! to do for an audio game and would probably take almost as long as making the game itself, sinse it's one of the major things in a graphical game to be considered. I can't quite explain it completely without this message getting very long, but animation vs stil pictures is rather like the difference betwene hereing the sound of a gunshot then hereing the sound of someone dying, and hereing a fully dramatized shooting scene with ambience, positional sound, footsteps etc. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] a question about entombed
Does anyone know what the worth and hardness attributes affect? I've found a couple of weapons that enhance them, and was wondering what, if anything, that would upgrade. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] MitionB dropbox link
Hi, I heard everybody is encountering with errors while trying to open the archive. Here is the dropbox link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5167306/Mission%20B.zip Also there is a German pack. saygılar sevgiler. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MitionB dropbox link
what is this game On Jul 16, 2011, at 1:09 PM, burakyuksek wrote: Hi, I heard everybody is encountering with errors while trying to open the archive. Here is the dropbox link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5167306/Mission%20B.zip Also there is a German pack. saygılar sevgiler. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MitionB dropbox link
It is like a real life similation. It is very funny. Read the read me.txt for more details. saygılar sevgiler. - Original Message - From: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MitionB dropbox link what is this game On Jul 16, 2011, at 1:09 PM, burakyuksek wrote: Hi, I heard everybody is encountering with errors while trying to open the archive. Here is the dropbox link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5167306/Mission%20B.zip Also there is a German pack. saygılar sevgiler. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
Hi. I am just writing, as I am in the middle of a game of castaways, and I had a thought about ways to make it easier to keep track of what might be needed in the game. That is, could we either have a new keystroke, or it given as part of existing information, to find out how many of each type of building there are? I think this would be particularly useful in the case of houses and farms, as I am having to go and recount every so often, and it is time consuming going through the buildings list. I would just like to be able to hit a keystroke to find out about numbers of any building, and then have shift d and f to arrow through them to find out there location on the map. perhaps alt d and alt f could be used to let you arrow through your buildings and find out how many of each there are. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Good point Darren. Actually I planned to add more artwork to castaways, but even with the super limited graphics already present, it is pretty playable from a sighted perspective. I can play an entire game of castaways, without needing the screen reader, and in fact I usually do leave the screen reader off and just play it visually. If any sighted family or friends, see you playing and mention that the graphics are incredibly simple, remember that adding artwork is pretty much my last priority while making an audio game haha. I have done some pretty good graphical games in my past, so if it came down to trying to merge the blind and sighted communities, I'm sure I could do it. Since I'm not selling my games, there is not much of an incentive to go after the mainstream gamers with these audio games. Once we are talking about a multiplayer game, then it starts to make more sense, because we could use the extra players. My work might start leaning in that direction as I expand the multiplayer. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bug with castaways 0.9b strong start
Actually Alex, the strong start perk just means it will build instantly when you choose a spot for it. I still wanted you to be able to pick where you wanted it built. I hope that helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] keeping track of goblins in castaways
Hi. another thought that just occurred to me. could we have a key stroke so we can check where the goblins are on our land? perhaps shift g I think this would be helpful, as we can more easily use the information to place guard towers to allow knights to destroy the goblins more quickly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
Good suggestion Alex. I'll change things around a bit, so that it tells you how many of each building type you have. I agree, with houses especially, this would help. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] keeping track of goblins in castaways
Lol, another good idea. I'll work on adding this as well sir. :D --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Right. Well like i say i do think that half the roblem with the blind friendly games is just that, they are aimed specifically at blind people. Which really doesn't give any chance for expposure. Or may i say the right kind of exposure. I can see a little bit, not too much but a little bit, with pplaying a game like shades of doom, am not saying it's not good because it is, but i felt like an element was taken from me right there. I think and this is my being point blank blunt about this, if people want games to pplay who can't see, then game development is going to have to change. Bar the likes of time of conflict and a few other mentions including what you're doing, i haven't seen anything majorly exciting over the last few years and this isn't good. Oh before i sign off, i'm writing this message on my phone and the keypppad is dying so if there's loads of extra letters in words then this is Why. -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com Date: 16:07:2011 3.29 pm Good point Darren. Actually I planned to add more artwork to castaways, but even with the super limited graphics already present, it is pretty playable from a sighted perspective. I can play an entire game of castaways, without needing the screen reader, and in fact I usually do leave the screen reader off and just play it visually. If any sighted family or friends, see you playing and mention that the graphics are incredibly simple, remember that adding artwork is pretty much my last priority while making an audio game haha. I have done some pretty good graphical games in my past, so if it came down to trying to merge the blind and sighted communities, I'm sure I could do it. Since I'm not selling my games, there is not much of an incentive to go after the mainstream gamers with these audio games. Once we are talking about a multiplayer game, then it starts to make more sense, because we could use the extra players. My work might start leaning in that direction as I expand the multiplayer. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Lol, Darren. I just thought you were cold. You're right though, people who have some sight, will probably want at least some graphics that they can use. There isn't much of a point taking away a sense if we don't have to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] bug with production of materials
Hi list. I just found a rather serious bug with production, at least I think its a bug. the issue is as follows, I assume this problem probably affects all second and third stage jobs. I noticed it however in the production of cloth. I suddenly realised that my taylors kept weeving animal fur into yarn, even though the textile had the maximum possible yarn, so the yarn the taylors were weeving was literally disappearing. of course, this meant the amount of yarn never went down, and the taylors never wove the yarn that was already there. In the end I closed the textile to new supplys, but I think this is a bug that should be fixed. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] graphics in audio games, was: Jeremy's speed
Dark mentioned that Blind Adrenaline could pull sighted players, but the name would be a hinderance if I put in graphics. Actually, we have a full set of graphics for all the suited games, along with mouse support to click on cards etc. additionally, the poker games show the cards, though the graphics aren't as fleshed out as the suited games. I did this thinking the friends and family of sighted players would want to play with them, and although we did get a few sighted players, overall it was a large waste of coding time unfortunately. Folks on the site have told their friends and family about Blind Adrenaline, let them know they play there a lot and love it, and they can play for free for a month an dall that, and yet, almost nobody sighted checked it out. I think the reasons for this are many, but it was a good lesson to me as a commercial game developer. BTW, I love graphics, in fact made my living doing compositing and 3D animation before losing my sight, but the potential for cross selling here, at least in my experience is very limited. In other words, if someone were going to develop a audio game and had limited time to get it out the door, I'd advise them to forget the graphics. Thoughts? Che On 7/16/2011 10:54 AM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: Lol, Darren. I just thought you were cold. You're right though, people who have some sight, will probably want at least some graphics that they can use. There isn't much of a point taking away a sense if we don't have to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
Also a list of tasks that need to be performed with an option to delay a task would also be nice. Say you want a barracks, but your peasants keep carrying logs to the saw mill and aur is piling up at the mine while your metallurgists keep on mining because there is no aur at the forge, currently there is no effective way to tell your peasants that they need to have that as a priority. On 7/16/2011 4:11 PM, alex wallis wrote: Hi. I am just writing, as I am in the middle of a game of castaways, and I had a thought about ways to make it easier to keep track of what might be needed in the game. That is, could we either have a new keystroke, or it given as part of existing information, to find out how many of each type of building there are? I think this would be particularly useful in the case of houses and farms, as I am having to go and recount every so often, and it is time consuming going through the buildings list. I would just like to be able to hit a keystroke to find out about numbers of any building, and then have shift d and f to arrow through them to find out there location on the map. perhaps alt d and alt f could be used to let you arrow through your buildings and find out how many of each there are. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] graphics in audio games, was: Jeremy's speed
Hi, To be very honest, sometimes it's the lack of graphics for me that can put me off a game. No they aren't important primarily and the main focus should always be game play. But for someone who has a little sight like myself, I have to say it does add something else into the game. I'm not saying for a second take away the accessibility, I'd be the first one to say don't do that. but as has already been proven with castaways and with time of conflict, this doesn't have to happen. It's a question of 1 doing it and 2 doing it in a way that doesn't compremise either side. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Castaways v1.1b
Version 1.1b has been posted! You'll need to update if you want to connect to the multiplayer server. Co op friends no longer count toward your population, so you won't need to make extra houses for them. You can scroll through chat using the and keys. Emoticon actions are now supported, so type /e before a phrase and it will say you've Done that, rather than Said that. When scrolling through your buildings, it will now tell you how many of that building you have. Shift + G, tells you all of the land controlled by Goblins. Other little fixes, but I can't remember them all now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bug with production of materials
Thanks for spotting this Alex! I'm getting to work looking for the source of the problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
I've been brainstorming some different ways I might be able to set up prioritizing tasks. After all of the AI trouble with the temporary jobs, I'm a little unsure if I should undertake another huge AI overhaul though. For the moment, remember that you can turn off the resupplying of buildings by pressing Enter on them, then backspace. I find this is a great way to keep my peasants from doing stuff that I suddenly consider low priority. When you disable the stuff you don't need, that puts more workers out there doing the stuff you Do! need. Just don't forget to turn the buildings back on after, lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a question about entombed
Worth means it sells for more at the shop I believe, but hardness is a really useful one. In entombed, every weapon and monster is made of a material with a different hardnesswhich affects how much damage is done. by comparing relative hardness of weapon and the skin of the thing your hitting. This is why creatures like the stone guardians and the drake take so litle damage when you hit them, even if against normal enemies your attacks are pretty devastating. It's not magical resistance, it's just hardness of skin. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@live.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: [Audyssey] a question about entombed Does anyone know what the worth and hardness attributes affect? I've found a couple of weapons that enhance them, and was wondering what, if anything, that would upgrade. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
Or maybe just hit t and get the full list. I was actually thinking this while playing this afternoon, sinse I had to count houses there too esepcailly with online players dropping in and out and not being able to calculate how many houses I needed (I actually wound up making one extra one and then having to put various building projects on hold while all the children grew up). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways Hi. I am just writing, as I am in the middle of a game of castaways, and I had a thought about ways to make it easier to keep track of what might be needed in the game. That is, could we either have a new keystroke, or it given as part of existing information, to find out how many of each type of building there are? I think this would be particularly useful in the case of houses and farms, as I am having to go and recount every so often, and it is time consuming going through the buildings list. I would just like to be able to hit a keystroke to find out about numbers of any building, and then have shift d and f to arrow through them to find out there location on the map. perhaps alt d and alt f could be used to let you arrow through your buildings and find out how many of each there are. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and miscthoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Jeremy. as regards the graphics for castaways, I do rather wish there was something to show where your buildings are. i believe there are small written lables, but these are rather hard for me to see even where they are (and impossible to read), so some artwork there would be very much appreciated. Maybe players of roguelikes like dwarf fortress and angband would like the game, (though whether they would like it enough to lay down some cash could be another story), but I'm not sure about others who are more used to animation and graphics, though I'd love to be proved wrong. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and miscthoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Good point Darren. Actually I planned to add more artwork to castaways, but even with the super limited graphics already present, it is pretty playable from a sighted perspective. I can play an entire game of castaways, without needing the screen reader, and in fact I usually do leave the screen reader off and just play it visually. If any sighted family or friends, see you playing and mention that the graphics are incredibly simple, remember that adding artwork is pretty much my last priority while making an audio game haha. I have done some pretty good graphical games in my past, so if it came down to trying to merge the blind and sighted communities, I'm sure I could do it. Since I'm not selling my games, there is not much of an incentive to go after the mainstream gamers with these audio games. Once we are talking about a multiplayer game, then it starts to make more sense, because we could use the extra players. My work might start leaning in that direction as I expand the multiplayer. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] keeping track of goblins in castaways
That is a good idea too alex. though i will say that currently, the goblins always expand from set places so it's fairly easy to learn where to prtect. Bewware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: [Audyssey] keeping track of goblins in castaways Hi. another thought that just occurred to me. could we have a key stroke so we can check where the goblins are on our land? perhaps shift g I think this would be helpful, as we can more easily use the information to place guard towers to allow knights to destroy the goblins more quickly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Well darren, as you'll gather on the stuff I've written about the second dimention in 2d to an extent I agree, however I do think things are slowly improving due to community in put and discussion in terms of moving away from boppit games and on to things that require crytical judgement instead. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bug with production of materials
well alex, usually when this happens the materials just get taken to the store house, and certainly that stores firs (check with the x key). However if it was just yarn you mean, then I'm not sure sinse there is no yarn catagory in the storehouse from what I can gather, though there is one for flour. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: [Audyssey] bug with production of materials Hi list. I just found a rather serious bug with production, at least I think its a bug. the issue is as follows, I assume this problem probably affects all second and third stage jobs. I noticed it however in the production of cloth. I suddenly realised that my taylors kept weeving animal fur into yarn, even though the textile had the maximum possible yarn, so the yarn the taylors were weeving was literally disappearing. of course, this meant the amount of yarn never went down, and the taylors never wove the yarn that was already there. In the end I closed the textile to new supplys, but I think this is a bug that should be fixed. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] graphics in audio games, was: Jeremy's speed
Hi Che. Just one thought with blind adrenaline. All your games say blind adrenaline and on your site it states that they are designed by one of us, for all of us I'm not suggesting a complete change, but I wonder if you advertized somewhere where sighted games were mentioned, removed the access and screen reader mentions from the cardroom page of the sight and stuck them on a separate page, and renamed all the titles to just B.A. cardroom if that would improve matters. Rather the way America online was only ever advertized as Aol in Britain. Of course it's probably not worth making the changes just for the experement, but I do think it'd be interesting to find out how many people played the game if the fact that the developer and many of the players were blind was not quite so obvious. I only thought the cardroom could be presented to sighted players sinse cards is relatively free of complex 3D stuff, thus people wouldn't expect something majorly graphical. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management incastaways
Hmmm willom, in that situation i just assign more peasants to do the lifting and moving, sinse obviously food has to come before buildings. for me, the ability to kew priorities like that would also be dangerously close to making the game feel too automated. Getting all the jobs done when all you can do is assign people and indicate what needs doing is imho rather the point of the game. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Willem dwill...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management incastaways Also a list of tasks that need to be performed with an option to delay a task would also be nice. Say you want a barracks, but your peasants keep carrying logs to the saw mill and aur is piling up at the mine while your metallurgists keep on mining because there is no aur at the forge, currently there is no effective way to tell your peasants that they need to have that as a priority. On 7/16/2011 4:11 PM, alex wallis wrote: Hi. I am just writing, as I am in the middle of a game of castaways, and I had a thought about ways to make it easier to keep track of what might be needed in the game. That is, could we either have a new keystroke, or it given as part of existing information, to find out how many of each type of building there are? I think this would be particularly useful in the case of houses and farms, as I am having to go and recount every so often, and it is time consuming going through the buildings list. I would just like to be able to hit a keystroke to find out about numbers of any building, and then have shift d and f to arrow through them to find out there location on the map. perhaps alt d and alt f could be used to let you arrow through your buildings and find out how many of each there are. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] graphics in audio games, was: Jeremy's speed
I agree that I personally like graphics in audio games if possible sinse I like to make ful use of what senses i have, however I disagree that games with just sound alone always lose something. there are several games like packman and pinball which I personally find more fun in audio. Visually, when playing packman you see the hole maze (or at least a good proportion), and where all the ghosts are in relation to you. You know just when a new ghost comes out of the ghost house etc. Audio packman has far more of an exploration feel, and indeed requires you to memorize the labyrinth and take note where you and the items are. ghosts are also more mysterious because of the lack of info about them. I actually think there's a lot to be said for this style of game, and I believe the developers of pappa sanga and nightjar have done so well because they recognize this. in removing one sense, you also require more judgement of the player. I also know people who say the horror of shades of doom is what you don't! see, just like in a horror radio drama where your mind makes the images. This is something that impressed me about the hole audio experience when i first played shades myself. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] graphics in audio games, was: Jeremy's speed Hi, To be very honest, sometimes it's the lack of graphics for me that can put me off a game. No they aren't important primarily and the main focus should always be game play. But for someone who has a little sight like myself, I have to say it does add something else into the game. I'm not saying for a second take away the accessibility, I'd be the first one to say don't do that. but as has already been proven with castaways and with time of conflict, this doesn't have to happen. It's a question of 1 doing it and 2 doing it in a way that doesn't compremise either side. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
Fortunately the new 1.1b version solves these problems. When you use Shift D, and F, to move through your buildings, it will also tell you how many of each you have. Dealing with people coming and going in multiplayer won't be so confusing now either, since those people do not count toward your housing limit anymore. This means, you could start with 12 people, build 3 houses, 10 multiplayer friends could wash up on shore, and yet with the very next house you build, you will start seeing pregnancies. Counting toward your housing limit was just too unfair before, and it made it more of a burden than a blessing, to gain multiplayer people. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and miscthoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
I was actually just speaking with Hatred about adding some graphics, and pitching the game to a sighted community he is the administrator for. I have only 1 reservation when it comes to inviting mainstream gamers into the game, and that is security. I'm sure they are everywhere, but the sighted gaming communities run rampant with people who want nothing more than to try to break a game. The first thing they will do is try to exploit any security holes to hack the game, or even bring the servers down. I've seen this so much, that I can't help but wonder if I'm on the verge of opening up Pandora's box here. As someone who has made indie mainstream games, I know how to put the proper security measures in place, but I'd rather not have to. Instead of adding new features, or fixing bugs, I could wind up spending all of my time constantly trying to stay 1 step ahead of those who get a thrill out of trying to break it and ruin it for everyone else. Our biggest form of security is simply being hidden. The moment word gets out, into the wrong groups of people, that's forever gone. Here in the blind community, it seems less likely that someone will intentionally try to ruin things for everyone, mostly because this is a smaller community. I guess I'll keep mulling it over, though any recommendations would be appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] security for games was castaways
Hi Jeremy, Wow, I am a posting fiend today, eh? Well, your right and wrong there my man. I agree, if you hit the mainstream with a MP game, the twits would come out of the woodwork to screw it up, but even in as small a market as we have, I've had several attempts made to bring my online dedicated server down. I was completely brand new to this in 2006 when I started on RR, and after very little time, i got a heck of an education in protecting both my code and my server. I know I come across a lot of the time as a crotchity old grouch on this list, but I would like to once again offer that you email me off list so we can maybe hook up on skype or something and discuss things. As I've said before, I'm willing to help developers pushing the envelope of accessible gaming where I can. Obviously, your programming experience blows probably anyone else on the list away, especially me, but if your considering opening up your games online and perhaps going commercial, I think I can offer some good advice earned from hard experience. If you'd rather not do that, no worries at all, but the offer remains anytime you want. and if I have missed any replies from you on list here, I apologize for that, I sometimes go weeks without checking it all all when I'm busy. Finally, you should definately see a donation now to your site PP, if not, something is wrong, as I received confirmation on my end. If it is the first donation, I hope it is the first of many. Keep up the excellent work. Later, che blindadrenal...@gmail.com On 7/16/2011 3:04 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I was actually just speaking with Hatred about adding some graphics, and pitching the game to a sighted community he is the administrator for. I have only 1 reservation when it comes to inviting mainstream gamers into the game, and that is security. I'm sure they are everywhere, but the sighted gaming communities run rampant with people who want nothing more than to try to break a game. The first thing they will do is try to exploit any security holes to hack the game, or even bring the servers down. I've seen this so much, that I can't help but wonder if I'm on the verge of opening up Pandora's box here. As someone who has made indie mainstream games, I know how to put the proper security measures in place, but I'd rather not have to. Instead of adding new features, or fixing bugs, I could wind up spending all of my time constantly trying to stay 1 step ahead of those who get a thrill out of trying to break it and ruin it for everyone else. Our biggest form of security is simply being hidden. The moment word gets out, into the wrong groups of people, that's forever gone. Here in the blind community, it seems less likely that someone will intentionally try to ruin things for everyone, mostly because this is a smaller community. I guess I'll keep mulling it over, though any recommendations would be appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management in castaways
The problem with that is that it usually wastes a lot of manpower. It is not that I don't want them to do something, the other actions are just more important. On 7/16/2011 8:44 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I've been brainstorming some different ways I might be able to set up prioritizing tasks. After all of the AI trouble with the temporary jobs, I'm a little unsure if I should undertake another huge AI overhaul though. For the moment, remember that you can turn off the resupplying of buildings by pressing Enter on them, then backspace. I find this is a great way to keep my peasants from doing stuff that I suddenly consider low priority. When you disable the stuff you don't need, that puts more workers out there doing the stuff you Do! need. Just don't forget to turn the buildings back on after, lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management incastaways
Dark, especially at the end where there are logs to carry to the sawmill, fur to make yarn of, barrels and food to shift and many things that are essential, being able to control the order of importance would add another dimension to the game not make it more automated. As things are currently, you have absolutely no fine control over people, which is a strength in my opinion, but also a weakness as workers would sometimes do insensible things like grind flower and carry logs when I need metal for suits of armor, but still flower needs to be made and logs need to be split, so I don't want to turn it off. On 7/16/2011 9:23 PM, dark wrote: Hmmm willom, in that situation i just assign more peasants to do the lifting and moving, sinse obviously food has to come before buildings. for me, the ability to kew priorities like that would also be dangerously close to making the game feel too automated. Getting all the jobs done when all you can do is assign people and indicate what needs doing is imho rather the point of the game. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Willem dwill...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] suggestion for improving building management incastaways Also a list of tasks that need to be performed with an option to delay a task would also be nice. Say you want a barracks, but your peasants keep carrying logs to the saw mill and aur is piling up at the mine while your metallurgists keep on mining because there is no aur at the forge, currently there is no effective way to tell your peasants that they need to have that as a priority. On 7/16/2011 4:11 PM, alex wallis wrote: Hi. I am just writing, as I am in the middle of a game of castaways, and I had a thought about ways to make it easier to keep track of what might be needed in the game. That is, could we either have a new keystroke, or it given as part of existing information, to find out how many of each type of building there are? I think this would be particularly useful in the case of houses and farms, as I am having to go and recount every so often, and it is time consuming going through the buildings list. I would just like to be able to hit a keystroke to find out about numbers of any building, and then have shift d and f to arrow through them to find out there location on the map. perhaps alt d and alt f could be used to let you arrow through your buildings and find out how many of each there are. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] security for games was castaways
Che, first off, I want to say thank you for the donation! It is a terrible shame, that even in such a small community you would have people looking to do damage, simply to amuse themselves. Certainly it isn't condoned, but in a huge mainstream community of thousands, you can understand how people can act without considering the well being of the community. They are lost in a crowd, and it is very impersonal. Around here, almost everyone is tied to the group because you share an attribute that isolates you from the rest of the world, in certain ways. I hope that didn't come across as offensive to anyone, that was certainly not my intention. The audio games community, and the blind community in general, seem to me like they should be closer to a family than just about any other online community! Every action anyone takes, should have the community's best interest at heart, and I honestly don't understand why some people don't see it that way. I fully expect to have to step in and add more security soon, but so far people have been behaving themselves. I don't know if anyone noticed, but I'm actually running a dedicated server, instead of the peer-to-peer system I was developing earlier. Thursday night I was thinking over things at work, and I realized there were going to be many updates as I expanded multiplayer features in the future. The peer to peer system is not nearly as simple to update as a master server, so that became one of 3 main reasons I made the change. The second reason is actually security. Being the first multiplayer game I've personally released here on audio games, I kind of had to plan for the worst. I knew that if things really got out of hand, with hacking attempts and such, a dedicated server is easier to defend, than linking everyone in a peer to peer chain. The final reason is actually an experiment! Way way back, I was working on a multiplayer combat game that I ended up setting aside. The primary reason was that I didn't believe I could maintain the server costs myself, and I didn't feel safe relying solely on donations to keep things afloat. I've put aside other ideas for the same reason, in fact this was also the reason I delayed work on the multiplayer Daytona game. Castaways gives me a unique opportunity. This style of game will work pretty well with a peer to peer multiplayer system, though the other projects will not. I would hate to develop and entire game, only to have to shut it down due to finances, but if that happens here with Castaways, I can just switch over to the p2p design. Over time, people have tried to assume me that donations would support the server, and I can finally test that out in safety. If things go smoothly, and I can keep the server funded, I'll be able to finish up projects that will rely on it. This includes the first person shooter I've been working on with Locutus as my sound guy! I'm sure that since Locutus is handling the sounds for this game also, people probably thought this IS! that game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Finding castaways
Hi list members; I've been readina lot about castaways. And can't find a link to download it, or it's homepage. Can anyone advise so I can have a go at playing? Thanks. shane --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways
People have been passing around the file's download link, but I have finally taken the time to put the game on my website. www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways
hi Jeremy, it seems like it takes to turn oar in to metal bars, I have at least 3 working it but its very slow. Simon msn: simod...@hotmail.com skype, slifinger fortis et egregious - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways People have been passing around the file's download link, but I have finally taken the time to put the game on my website. www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5969 (20110320) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5969 (20110320) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] farm management in castaways
Hi list. Just another suggestion, but I think there should be an option on farms to stop peasants harvesting from them. as I have had a few situations in this current game, where I have had say 100 flower and over a hundred vegetables. obviously that is quite a lot, and I don't need more of said materials for a long time. so it would be nice to be able to shut down particular types or indeed all types of farms, in order that peasants can do more useful things. the close option doesn't apply to farms as they don't need supplies, so I would like to see some way to shut farms down. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways
Hi Jeremy, I've also added your games page to my games list at, http://www.pcsgames.net/game-co.htm I've finally tried castaways. It's enjoyable but I do have a few comments. When more than one person is doing something could you have the game count and say, 6 people have cut down trees at c5. instead of listing all their names? I also think the SAPI should be the default voice as most people have SAPI working because of all the SAPI games out now. I suspect you need dx7vb.dll as that is the last version of DirectX that will play stereo sounds in panning mode. The original Shades of Doom used it and could pan stereo sounds. But when David changed to dx8vb.dll he had to change to use all mono sounds. There is another way to play stereo sound in both version 7 and 8 that just plays the sound and doesn't try to position it. Phil p...@pcsgames.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways
True, it is a slow process. I needed the upper level resources to be more costly to produce, either by requiring other materials, or by requiring time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways
Hi, Also send your link to http://www.whitestick.co.uk that's a good resource for all blindness related issues including gaming. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky Sent: 17 July 2011 00:04 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways True, it is a slow process. I needed the upper level resources to be more costly to produce, either by requiring other materials, or by requiring time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] security for games was castaways
Hi Jeremy, You are absolutely right. The audio games community should be closer to an online family, and one would think we would ban together to support each other. However, I've found that its simply not human nature for people weather blind or sighted big or small to act in the best interests of a community. There are always be a few bad apples who will attempt in their petty ways to ruin the entire pie for everyone else. I've been around the blind community for a long time, and have scene it happen time and time again. There are selfish individuals who will hack, crack, or pirate any piece of software you create for the community because they don't want to pay for it requiring stronger security measures. There is no shortage of blind users who will endlessly wine and complain if things don't go their way. Then, there are individuals who are just bent on doing damage by attacking servers, sending e-mails with a string of characters known to crash Jaws, and any number of forms of sabotage. Why they do it I don't know. One thing I can say is in this business one can't take security too lightly. We can't expect or rely upon the blind gaming community to behave and act in everyone's best interests. I've learned as Che and others have that we game developers have to be security conscious and take measures to secure our products and services from inside and outside attacks from the blind community. There always will be a few rogues who will take advantage of your kindness and generosity just because they can. Cheers! On 7/16/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote: Che, first off, I want to say thank you for the donation! It is a terrible shame, that even in such a small community you would have people looking to do damage, simply to amuse themselves. Certainly it isn't condoned, but in a huge mainstream community of thousands, you can understand how people can act without considering the well being of the community. They are lost in a crowd, and it is very impersonal. Around here, almost everyone is tied to the group because you share an attribute that isolates you from the rest of the world, in certain ways. I hope that didn't come across as offensive to anyone, that was certainly not my intention. The audio games community, and the blind community in general, seem to me like they should be closer to a family than just about any other online community! Every action anyone takes, should have the community's best interest at heart, and I honestly don't understand why some people don't see it that way. I fully expect to have to step in and add more security soon, but so far people have been behaving themselves. I don't know if anyone noticed, but I'm actually running a dedicated server, instead of the peer-to-peer system I was developing earlier. Thursday night I was thinking over things at work, and I realized there were going to be many updates as I expanded multiplayer features in the future. The peer to peer system is not nearly as simple to update as a master server, so that became one of 3 main reasons I made the change. The second reason is actually security. Being the first multiplayer game I've personally released here on audio games, I kind of had to plan for the worst. I knew that if things really got out of hand, with hacking attempts and such, a dedicated server is easier to defend, than linking everyone in a peer to peer chain. The final reason is actually an experiment! Way way back, I was working on a multiplayer combat game that I ended up setting aside. The primary reason was that I didn't believe I could maintain the server costs myself, and I didn't feel safe relying solely on donations to keep things afloat. I've put aside other ideas for the same reason, in fact this was also the reason I delayed work on the multiplayer Daytona game. Castaways gives me a unique opportunity. This style of game will work pretty well with a peer to peer multiplayer system, though the other projects will not. I would hate to develop and entire game, only to have to shut it down due to finances, but if that happens here with Castaways, I can just switch over to the p2p design. Over time, people have tried to assume me that donations would support the server, and I can finally test that out in safety. If things go smoothly, and I can keep the server funded, I'll be able to finish up projects that will rely on it. This includes the first person shooter I've been working on with Locutus as my sound guy! I'm sure that since Locutus is handling the sounds for this game also, people probably thought this IS! that game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] farm management in castaways
Couldn't you just reassign the farmers to do other jobs? Or are you trying to keep vineyards running? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Finding castaways
Thank you for adding my games Phil. Actually that idea for combining the messages is on my to do list. Really anything that has to do with changing the messages is a bit of an undertaking, so those improvements have been coming out a little slower than most of other types of changes. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] battlezone
Hello Shane, when I try to download the game and run it I get an error saying d:\downloads|battle_zone_12.8_setup.exe is not a valid win 32 aplication. Why is giving the error message? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shane Lowe Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:26 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] battlezone you can get the software you need at www.blastbay.com click software, then bgt (blastbay game toolkit). you can find battlezone it'self, by going to www.audiogames.net and finding it in the combobox called cellect a game and click go. hth, Shane - Original Message - From: Amanda Burt amanda.bu...@btinternet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] battlezone This sounds excelent. where do I get this and also the software to run it? Thanks Amanda -- From: Jack F mymonkeyboy2...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:25 AM To: gamers gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] battlezone Hi Mylos, Here's a description of the game from audiogames.net. Battlezone is one of the first and most major projects undertaken by one of our own forum members using the newly released Blastbay game toolkit One day while piecefully out shopping You are suddenly kidnapped by some mad individual and an endless hoard of very violent employees. Luckily, you have a gun, sword, some exploding booby traps and even an automatic machine gun stashed in your shopping bag (you can't be too careful), so you set about breaking out of the kidnapper's clutches, doing as much damage as possible. Thus begins a fast action, high speed side scrollin adventure taking you from the enemy's lab, past hoards of very angry minians, bottomless pits, stabbing blades, rolling boulders, fireballs, on rushing cars and of course some of this mysterious kidnappers maniacal henchmen as bosses. it's not all bad though, you'll be able to spend your points to replenish supplies, and if your quick enough be able to grab some of the falling items to help you through this parade of nastiness. The game uses ms Sapi to be self voicing and contains a variety of music and sound effects (including many taunts), different ambience for the various levels and non stop action, this is deffinately worth a try, particularly sinse developement is ongoing and new nasties and extra levels are being added continuously (at the current 13 stages, it's already a pretty monstrous game, especially considdering that it's completely free). Just remember that because battlezone was created with the free version of bgt, you'll need that installed on your machine in order to run the game. Hope that helps. best regards, jack --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Darren, Well, its all well and good to say that, but tell me how a totally blind developer such as myself are going to draw said graphics? If it were a simple matter of programming sure I can handle that easy enough. However, in order to render even simple graphics I'd have to pay or look for sighted assistance with the initialdrawing of the images and graphics to be used in my games. That's why many VI game developers just create a blank screen, an empty, window and forget it. On 7/16/11, darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi dark, Well I think that given the technology available now making dare I say blind friendly games with even basic graphical interfaces should be possible and should be done now to open up the range of players and potential customers. It's rather silly really to just present a blank screen and say there you are play that. nobody is going to want to do it. because if the roles were reversed you wouldn't want 1 of your senses taken away by default, this is in essence what's happening here thus I think it's spoiling the potential for these types of games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughtswas Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Dark, You are absolutely right. We have in large part alienated the mainstream simply by declaring ourselves accessible games, blind games, etc. As you pointed out many games could be adapted to suit sighted players needs. Even if it is nothing more complex than a text based UI. For instance, you know I am working on a WWE wrestling game, and it will largely be text based. Well, I know for a fact other such games exist like Piledriver and Wrestling League Manager which were written by and played by sighted mainstream gamers. I'm going to take that idea one step forward and add background ambience, entrance music, start and end bells for the matches, and perhaps a few grunts etc when people are slammed, kicked, chopped, knocked down, etc. I'm also considering Jim Kitchens request that I add Sapi 5 support as well. Although, it happens to be accessible there is no reason I couldn't market it to a mainstream community as well, because other than say the Sapi support there is nothing that would indicate that this game is anything other than a straight up text game with some audio for ambience. STFC is another prime example. Although, I wrote it as an audio game I could in theory rewrite it with a text based UI, add screen reader/Sapi support, and market it both to blind and mainstream markets. I'm sure that some sighted players would be just as interested to play it as we are provided I add some text to the screen. It would have at the bare minimum some interests with sighted Trek fans with a text based user interface as I would not be marketing it specifically as a blind thing. Cheers! On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. this is true, and is in fact the reason i no longer played sryth sinse it seemed the gm was getting far too greedy, sticking in areas that you couldn't get through without the uba gear from tallys workshop and expecting people to pay more than the initial subscription which by rights given that the game had over 2000 should've been more than enough). one thought I have had however, is that many audio games can pretty much double as textual or graphical ones with litle work on the interface. People stil pay for gamebooks, text games, interactive fiction or even ascii games like rogue and angband. Given this, if a game like entombed had a basic text interface that printed on screen output in text, with either a couple of arrows or words to indicate direction so that people did not have to rely upon the wind sound, you have a perfectly playable game. che could probably do a similar thing with the card room by adding basic card graphics, though with che the name blind adrenaline is a litle against him in attracting people's interest. The problem is however, people would not look at it as a normal game, but as a blind game, meaning it'd need a deal of rewording on it's website to appeal to others. audio games similarly, can appeal to sited people if they are presented not as blind games but as experimental new games with a revolutionary interface Look at what pappasanga as a good example. I'd actually be interested to see what would happen if David greenwood rewrote the description of shades of doom to remove the word accessible and subscribed it to one of the online download resellers like lulu to be sold along side more usual graphical games. I've had friends who are great doom players who were impressed by the atmosphere and action in shades simply because! of the lack of visuals, however the perception that disabled individuals are of another species and require their own special things, be that games, chairs, sticks or whatever. The amount of times someone has been shocked when i explain I use a standard windows pc with a normal keyboard that does not have braille on the keys or anything else. the sad truth is, if something includes the words accessible, or blind, people will not even try it. While this is obviously not a good thing socially, it is a truth that anyone trying to sell audio games to sited individuals needs to get used too. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] farm management in castaways
Hi. I was trying to keep vin yards going yes. but I could easily see myself wanting to stop weet production but carry on producing vegetables etc. I think perhaps it would be better if you could assign farmers for specific types of farm. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jeremy's incredible programming speed and misc thoughts was Re: Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi Dark,
Well, not necessarily. Keep in mind that the wrestling game and STFC
will largely be text based. It doesn't make much of a difference one
way or the other if it is written in pure C++ or written in .Net as
the majority of the coding would be fairly similar in practice.
For instance, I might initialize a Window using the Win32 API, and
then use the wprintf() function to write text directly to the window
as follows.
void PrintIntro ()
{
wprintf (WWE\n);
wprintf (Ultimate Legends\n);
wprintf (Version 1.0\n);
}
That's simple enough. However, doing the same thing in VB .Net is just
as equally simple. I might create a simple Window, add a textbox to
the middle of the window, and do something similar to above.
SubPrintIntro ()
textbox.Text = WWE
textbox.Text = Ultimate Legends
textbox.Text = Version 1.0
End Sub
As you might be able to see the VB example in this case doesn't really
save anything in the long run because after all we are just dealing
with text output. This is a fairly straight forward process for most
programming languages. Its the other stuff like loading and playing
audio that makes a difference as there can be a huge difference in how
it is done.
For instance if you take the stock C++ DirectSound 8 library that
ships with MS Windows there is no builtin ability to load sounds and
assign them to a secondary buffer for playback. Therefore the C++
developer pretty much has to write his or her own load functions in
order to use that API. However, com components like dx8vb.dll has
simplified this for Visual Basic developers, because Microsoft has
thoughtfully added an open function which can open wav files for
playback. This is why, I purchased Streemway from Philip, as I have
access to DirectSound without having to write my own load functions
etc just to use the API. With Streemway I have the equal access and
simplicity of a Visual Basic or .Net developer. Make sense?
So even though I might write STFC or my wrestling game without my
engine I still have a huge amount of code that can be reused. I have
Streemway, for audio playback, I've got wrappers for DirectInput, and
I can copy my wrapper for Sapi 5 support to extremely speed up the
process because I have a lot of code in place already.
Cheers!
On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
Hi Tom.
thanks for the full explanation. just going on what you've said though, I'm
afraid it sounds as if when you next start on a new game outside your
platform engine like the startrek or wrestling one, a different language
from C++ may be better?
I personally don't particularly mind downloading dependencies sinse often
they are useful for other things (for instance other games), and while
security and performance are both important for some programs (I would wager
my avg antivirus and tuneup were written in C++), I do find myself wondering
how much difference this makes to a game if it makes it so much more
difficult and time consuming to program?
Appologies if this seems hars, I know as a none programmer myself it's easy
to sit and make judgements, however I will admit i've noticed a tendency
that some programmers have (rather like logicians), to do something for
reasons of efficiency of code or general structure which makes litle
difference to the main user.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] graphics in audio games, was: Jeremy's speed
Hi Che, That's interesting. I would have thought adding more graphics even simple graphics like cards for an online card game would have some pull with the mainstream community, but there could be some other factors involved here. One factor could be to a mainstream gamer yours is just one of many online card games available to a sighted computer gamer. Internet gaming is a large boom now, and one of the first types of games that hit the internet at large were card games, board games, etc and for many mainstream gamers it might be a case of been there done that so to speak. The other factor could be just the way the mainstream gaming community is going at large. Sure card games are still fairly basic from graphics and animation, but when we look at the new games for the PS III and the XBox 360 the graphics are very detailed and sharp compared to previous generation platforms. Tomb Raider Annaversary, a remake of Tomb Raider I, was light years more graphical and technically supperior than than the game it was based on. If we, as blind developers, want to keep up we'll end up having to spend a large amount of time, money, and energy adding high end graphics and animations to our games just to make them remotely competative to the mainstream market. This would be, as you say, a waist of time. Some people are of the opinion that if we were to add simple graphics and animations the mainstream gamers would flock to our side and play our games. I sincerely doubt it, and the way graphics technology is evolving makes it pretty unlikely that you or I could keep up with that and still produce accessible games that wouldn't take 50 years to create. Lol! On 7/16/11, Che blindadrenal...@gmail.com wrote: Dark mentioned that Blind Adrenaline could pull sighted players, but the name would be a hinderance if I put in graphics. Actually, we have a full set of graphics for all the suited games, along with mouse support to click on cards etc. additionally, the poker games show the cards, though the graphics aren't as fleshed out as the suited games. I did this thinking the friends and family of sighted players would want to play with them, and although we did get a few sighted players, overall it was a large waste of coding time unfortunately. Folks on the site have told their friends and family about Blind Adrenaline, let them know they play there a lot and love it, and they can play for free for a month an dall that, and yet, almost nobody sighted checked it out. I think the reasons for this are many, but it was a good lesson to me as a commercial game developer. BTW, I love graphics, in fact made my living doing compositing and 3D animation before losing my sight, but the potential for cross selling here, at least in my experience is very limited. In other words, if someone were going to develop a audio game and had limited time to get it out the door, I'd advise them to forget the graphics. Thoughts? Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, version 0.9b
Hi Dark, Lol! I wasn't being serious about the prostitution thing, but it does sound funny the fact that you had so many women getting pregnant at once. Something in the water, eh? On 7/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Actually tom a few versions ago that did happen! if you built a house, you got population growing like rabbits, and in fact I ended up losing when i had three children and three pregnant mothers in a population of 15. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Castaways 1.0b thoughts and impressions.
Ok, just spent an enjoyable four or so hours in a coop game with two to four other people. I have some observations, some of which are new stuff, some just old stuff I've forgotten to post about. The co-op play is a nice concept, allowing multiple parallel games with a bit of cross-over. I don't think it's fully fleshed out yet, as will be seen below. Jobs: At the beginning everybody seems to come in as a builder since this is the default. I actually broke that as I had chosen the defender perk, so I came in as a knight, something that was appreciated by my fellow players. There is a problem. I had two or three builders from my co-op partners, but they never actually built anything for me. They were always either filling in as peasants, or standing around as builders. I'm guessing that there is some interaction between games, and when Gryffindor's builder was acting as a peasant in his game, he would do the same in mine, even if I had an open building project I would have liked his help with. I never had any other jobs, so I can't tell if this phenomenon is typical. I'm also guessing that when Gryffindor was building in his world he was a builder in mine, but for some reason he never built even then. Extra co-op people count against your housing allowance. I know this because I had sixteen people and four houses, two of whom were co-op players. When one disappeared, one of my folk got pregnant right away. This actually makes sense from a game balance perspective, though it's a little bizarre in the role-playing sense. I think I'd leave it as is, but I wanted others to know. I'm still getting weird materials bugs. Every one of my building sites took fewer materials than the building description suggested. Most of the time it was bricks that I needed fewer of. I know no one else has reported this, but please check a few ticks after you have started a new building project. When I first set up the building project, the numbers match. A few ticks later, it's gotten cheaper almost every time. I think I had a house or two that required the full 3 bricks, 3 lumber. I've never played on the easy level, does it change the building requirements? When someone becomes pregnant, I'd like to see their former occupation for the mothers' list, just as we now do for the ailing list. I almost lost a couple of people because my cook got pregnant in the thick of things and I wasn't paying attention. I'd like to see a message explicitly telling me that a building has been destroyed and which one. I lost a guard tower and hadn't realized it right away, and was wondering why I was taking too long to kill goblins. It would be nice to have a key to review currently engoblinated squares. Towards the midgame, it becomes a bit tedious tracking them by hand. This becomes important for guard tower placement. Finally, I'm heartbroken; I was in the midst of a very promising game, that I hadn't saved recently at all, and it crashed with no error, the game simply stopped responding at all and I had to kill the task. I wish I could provide you with more definite feedback than that, but let it be a warning to all, save frequently. Co-op enhancements: the ability to trade resources maybe, although again that distorts the role-playing aspect. Questions: is there any benefit to multiple storehouses, or any other building projects other than farms and vineyards? How do the troops figure out how to use multiple guard towers? What about being able to dismantle a building and take it to a new location? When the trees and stones give out near the storehouse, it might be useful to put a sawmill and quarry in undeveloped land. How is the food for each individual calculated? It's not an average of the four food types, nor did it look like an RMS value. I had a character with something like 80% meat, 0% bread, 85%vegetables and 35%wine who showed a 49% overall energy level. Well, that's enough for tonight, and my apologies to my co-op partners who were counting on my good right arm to help protect them. Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Hi, Where can I get the Castaways game? This sounds like a very very cool game? Thanks, Courtney On Jul 15, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Matheus Rheine wrote: hi aprone. i've said it many times,but i gotta say it again man,you're not a human,you're some sort of machine that programs so fast it's unbelievable that you put out this game with all this complex strategy that i could get the hang of just now,i'm trying to play it for a few days,but with atred'sbuilding descriptions and john's message to the list today it helped me a lot! i just imagine what you could create if you didn't had other things to do,like work,etc. lol,i think that in one year you could easyly beat a game like world of warcraft programming in that speed bro. i saw the message in the end of how to play,it's great to know how much time i'm spending with the game. i'm having some issues with my credit card registered to paypal. the thing is that my father got a new one and i don't have the details,but when i register this card with my account i'm 100% sure i'll be donating,it won't be much,but i'll try to donate 20 or 25,i think it will help. it can take a while though. thanks again for the wonderful work and for one more project that if it wasn't you,probably we would never have a game like this one,lunimals,temporal,well,everything,smiles. -Mensagem original- De: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sexta, 15 de Julho de 2011 17:42 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Hi Jeremy, I've said it before, but wow. This is an absolutely insane development pace for any game, audio or otherwise. I could understand, say, fleshing out a small text adventure in such a timespan, but a complicated strategy game like this one is another matter. Can't wait for the multiplayer, and congratulations on a wildly successful project. Best, Zack. On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: Well guys, Castaways has officially been in development for a week! It was last friday evening, when I came up with the idea, and subsequently worked out most of the code at work that night. It has come a long way, and still has a ways to go. At this very moment I've been running tests on the multiplayer portions of the game. To start, they are limited, but this will give me a good idea of the direction I should go in next. If I can finish my tests in time, I will be posting version 1.0b, which contains the basic multiplayer co op mode! Woot! I don't have much time before I go to work though, so I'm racing to finish! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached!
Very cool. Thank you for such a wonderful game. Christina - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Castaways, 1 week milestone reached! Thanks guys, I appreciate it! Version 1.0b is posted! I'm running out of time before I head to work, so I really won't be around in the event that someone experiences an error. Let me quickly run you through the basics of it. Start a game where you've turned Multiplayer co op on. Within 60 seconds you will link up with other people who are playing. If someone else is playing, you will see a message that they washed up on your shore! This player is now an extra person able to help out in your settlement, but you are not allowed to change his, or her, job. You will have other people to help in your city, and they will have a version of you in theirs. This is a very loosely based multiplayer, but it's the foundation for future features. As you know, you begin with a person that has your specific name. Obviously this person represents you, and this is your link to other players in multiplayer. When you change your job, it will change for other players in their cities. Try to be something useful, so that other people are happy to have you, and not upset that you're doing some job they don't need. Press ? if you want to chat, but PLEASE! keep in mind that this isn't meant for the stress of a chat room right now. Chat a little, of course, but don't start spamming stuff. I would also encourage you to stick to role playing. If your character is a rough lumberjack, other players will have far more fun if you speak as if you are. Asking questions about the game, or general off topic chat, will probably take some fun out of the experience for others, so please keep that to a minimum. You can still save your game, and any game saved in multiplayer can be loaded again later. You don't even have to be playing on the same difficulty level, so use the extra people to help you succeed , when you might otherwise fail. Have fun, and I will be anxiously looking forward to being done with work, so I can come back and play a game with some of you all! Yay! If you experience errors, it will be due to files not being registered correctly. This would be the same idea as the people who have to register direct X7. As I've already said, I can't do anything to help you right now because I'm heading to work. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Doctors in Castaways
Hello. In Castaways, I find that, when I switch someone's job to a doctor, he/she doesn't always become a doctor. The person usually becomes a taylor Just standing around. There are injured people and cloth available for bandages. Am I doing something wrong here? Thanks for any help. Christina --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Castaways strong start bug.
I'm beginning to feel like the proverbial leper. I have bugs no one else is reporting. The latest: I chose the strong start starter, selected the location for my storehouse and expected it to appear. No, I still had to wait for the resources to be gathered (the wrong number, 10 lumber and 2 bricks) and my builders are diligently working away. In other words, I didn't get a strong start at all. Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Doctors in Castaways
If there are injured people, and bandages, but a doctor is choosing to just stand around as a tailor, there are a few possible reasons. Number one, it could be a bug. We've seen a few behavior altering bugs, so this could be the case. Number two, you could have a second doctor that's already treating those people. Only 1 doctor can treat a patient at a time, so maybe there isn't anyone available for the other doctor to treat. And number three, is that you have the game paused, and that doctor will go back to healing patients, he just hasn't had time yet because the game is paused. Hopefully it isn't a bug, but if it keeps happening, please send me a saved game file of the situation, so that I can take a closer look. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] farm management in castaways
It think what I'll do, because it is a little easier, is make the farm's open and close feature affect harvesting. Right now, opening or closing a farm does nothing because they don't need supplies. I'll just make that affect whether farmers harvest those crops. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Doctors in Castaways
Thanks. There's only one doctor when this happens and I wait several turns. The pperson supposed to be the doctor stays standing around. I'll see if I can get it to do it again and send you the file. Christina - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Doctors in Castaways If there are injured people, and bandages, but a doctor is choosing to just stand around as a tailor, there are a few possible reasons. Number one, it could be a bug. We've seen a few behavior altering bugs, so this could be the case. Number two, you could have a second doctor that's already treating those people. Only 1 doctor can treat a patient at a time, so maybe there isn't anyone available for the other doctor to treat. And number three, is that you have the game paused, and that doctor will go back to healing patients, he just hasn't had time yet because the game is paused. Hopefully it isn't a bug, but if it keeps happening, please send me a saved game file of the situation, so that I can take a closer look. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways strong start bug.
Ever since it was brought to my attention, just how much regional settings can affect things, I've been wondering how many bugs can be traced back to that. Would you mind checking your regional settings? The fact that you've been experiencing bugs that no one else is, leads me to believe there is some outside influence causing them. We've already had 2 people whose odd game behavior was traced back to non-english regional settings. I, for one, never knew that different regional settings would replace a decimal point with a comma! Little things like that, affect just about everything in the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways 1.0b thoughts and impressions.
Chris, I might be wrong, but I think you wrote this post prior to the recent version 1.1b release. The new version addresses many of the things you brought up here. If you Are!, however, using the newest 1.1b version, then I guess I need to take a closer look at some spots in the code! The multiplayer characters aren't tied That! closely to their owner. If I were a character in your settlement, and I was a builder, your Aprone won't work as a peasant just because my Aprone is temporarily serving as one in my settlement. If they both are doing the same temp job, that's purely coincidental. Only their main assigned job is translated between everyone's settlements. If your multiplayer builder wasn't helping out, it could simply have been because there wasn't enough work to go around. Multiplayer characters are usually assigned jobs after your own people have been given theirs. This is because you never know when one of them is going to exit the game, and it's better to maximize how much control you have over what's going on. If you had, say, 10 builders of your own, plus an Aprone builder, he wouldn't even be needed if a construction site just finished being stocked. The 10 builders ahead of him would take the building to 100% competition, so he would spend his time simply standing around. It is just a guess as to what was really happening though. Back in 1.0v, co op people Did! count toward your housing, but in version 1.1b they shouldn't. If you are using the newest version, then your 4 houses example is pretty good evidence that there is a bug with that still. The materials bug has been really hard to track down. Many people have sent me saved games where the bug occurs, but it seems to work when I load the games. It must be a mistake that isn't saved into the save game files, which means it is that much harder for me to track down. I've never had it happen to me personally, so I just keep waiting for when it finally does. The difficulty settings do not change the building requirements. I'm not sure if this is a bug, or a time when a message was overlooked, but there is code that explains exactly where, and what, was attacked by the Goblins. I'm not sure why you didn't receive a message, but please tell me if it happens again. Hold shift, and press G, to hear all of the squares being occupied by Goblins. The bug that causes the game to hang was reported earlier today actually. I can't remember who told me, but they were able to tell me exactly what they had done before it happened, and I spotted the problem in the code. When I release the next update, that bug will be squashed. Even with it squashed, your advice is still good for Any! game that involves hours of work. Save often! I do have eventual plans for resource trading, although this probably won't be in the co op mode. It might be, but I haven't actually Planned! to add this feature to the existing co op mode. While different people will argue different strategies, personally I would say that yes, there is a benefit to having multiples of some buildings. Some people build out, stretching away from their first storehouse. This means that each new building is a longer walk for your people. If I know, in advance, that my city will grow quite large, I don't center my storehouse, I think of it as my right or left side to my eventual city. As things expand, I'll put another storehouse on the other side, so that all of my buildings are pretty close to one storehouse or the other. This serves as an efficiency boost for my people who need to travel. The Tavern is another building I like to have 2 of. If things like up just right, you can easily run in to a dinner rush where a dozen people all seem to want to eat at the same time. Assuming I'm only stocking 2 food types at the time, at least 2 of my people will have to sit in the empty tavern, waiting for more food to be carried over. With a second Tavern, I can support twice as large of a dinner rush without anyone needing to wait for restocking. I'd rather have my main work force eat fast and get back to work, and while they're working, peasants can take their time restocking the Taverns. A single cook will just walk back and forth between the 2 taverns, so I don't necessarily need 2 of them when I'm using 2 taverns. Multiple guard towers works the same as having multiple storehouses. When carrying supplies around, workers will use whichever storehouse is closest. The supplies all magically get pooled into the same place, so it really just comes down to distance. When soldiers travel out to fight Goblins, they will launch from, and return to, the guard tower that will require them to walk the shortest distance. This means that putting a guard tower up close to the enemy, cuts down on wasted time as your soldiers walk back and forth to the tower. As forests and rocks thin out, I have been known to build a
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways 1.0b thoughts and impressions.
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the long explanation. That clears up a number of questions I had myself, but just haven't had time to ask on list. As for the version issue, this is just a possible theory, but I think in some cases you update faster than some people can upgrade. In one week we have had 11 updates to the game which is good, but I myself have ended up missing several releases because by the time I find out version x is out the next version has already been posted. For instance I remember getting a message that 0.5b was released only to find out that 0.7b was up already. I just downloaded 0.9b like last night, and this afternoon when I checked my mail 1.1b was out. I didn't even know 1.0b was out until after I heard about 1.1b. This is good as I said, but its possible some people are falling behind the updates because they are coming too fast. I myself get on average 300 e-mails a day and by the time I sort it all out I discover there have been one oor two new upgrades since the version I downloaded. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] old version of light cars
On 7/16/2011 11:44 PM, Bryant walker wrote: Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone has the old version of light cars where you could change how many lives you had. If someone still has this version, and could upload it, that would be great. I have looked everywhere, but have found nothing. Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Hello, I know that clangor has a hard to find old audio games. Have you checked their folder to see if they had it? If not, you we will see what we can do for you. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] old version of light cars
HI, If I got them correct, I've got versions 1.06 and 1.2. I don't remember which one does what. The download links are below: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13968355/light%20cars_106_setup.exe http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13968355/light%20cars_12_setup.exe Rich - Original Message - From: bryant walker bryantwalk...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:44 PM Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone has the old version of light cars where you could change how many lives you had. If someone still has this version, and could upload it, that would be great. I have looked everywhere, but have found nothing. Thanks --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
