Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Michael, While I take your point just keep in mind here Microsoft's aim of Windows 7 was to make the operating system more stable, streamline the install, and basically remove a bunch of extra apps and components they felt were unecessary. That's why a lot of older apps were removed from the install. For example, take e-mail. When Windows XP was released in 2001 most people used a dedicated e-mail client like Outlook Express to check their e-mail. However, in 2011 the majority of internet service providers offers webmail accounts, and there are a lot of people who now use Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, etc and use the web interface to check mail. Therefore the need for a dedicated e-mail client has dramatically dropped and that's why something like Outlook Express and Windows Mail don't ship with Windows 7 by default. The times have changed where Outlook Express and Windows Mail aren't strictly necessary applications for a lot of Windows users. That said, there really isn't a good answer for installing the old Windows Pinball game, Windows Movie Maker, or the Windows XP volume control. The best answer I can give for a situation like that is if you have a copy of Windows XP to make a backup of the programs and icons you want to say and manually install them on Windows 7 by hand. there really isn't any other way I know of to get some of those apps and games Microsoft has dropped support for then to back them up yourself. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Thomas, Yes, windows programs get new features and yes, it is up to you to decide if you want to use them or not... But let me ask you something just as an example. Do you know what the difference between Windows Movie Maker and Windows Live Movie Maker is? As far as I am informed the Windows Movie Maker of XP or Vista isn't included in Windows 7 anymore and the Windows Live product of the same name is not the same product with more features and just a new design. A blind person might not be interested in video editing, but a sighted person could be. Or another example is E-Mail programs. Windows XP had Outlook Express, Vista had Windows Mail and Windows 7 has the Windows Mail folder included, but the program cannot be run except you can replace the entire Windows Mail folder in your program files directory with the folder from a Vista installation... Or you use Windows Live products again... But the question remains what about things dropped out of an operating system? You are right in saying that Windows Explorer of Windows 7 has more features than the one of Windows 98 - no doubt there. But what about dropped features? While the system restore feature of Windows XP is good, it is not needed when you just want to repair your registry a bit for which Windows 98 had scanreg. Now you are required to buy third party tools like Tune Up Utilities or other PC cleaning and tuning programs to get similar features. Or what about the Windows XP style volume control program or the XP style Audio Recorder? What do I do with Windows 7 and altered or missing programs (not limited to programs best accessible for blind people)? Or does Windows 7 still include the Pinball game from Windows ME or later from XP? You get what I mean. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
true jim. I am not against change, but yeah it seems to happen all at once. Access is behind and usually costly to upgrade, nvda can handle most things now but still you will need a real reader to actually do everything properly and that costs cash. Its about the only thing I hate about being blind. The standard hardware I don't care about. After all that the interface we have been using for ages and ages has changed. We have to learn it with bad to no support, either have to buy it, or get it in some other way. It doesn't help when ms released bad software like me and vista or when avg stuffed its access up or in fact when any software suddenly is not accessable. We have to use old versions which I don't like, upgrade, or use other software. Its a good thing that a lot of opensource software exists because there was a stage where software I had to use but couldn't possibly afford I had to crack and thats not good. We are pushed to use sertain software standards, office, windows, etc. And unless you can just buy it yourself, or get it for a job there is almost no legal way to get it yet you need to use it because the world uses it. Again thank god for opensource. Another issue is that once we are just getting used to something its in the trash. I am just getting the concept of the ribbon in office and the windows interface for win7. Win8 and over will probably have it totally going out the window so to speak. We always seem to get the pointed end of the umbrella. Its not a gradual change we get. A zombie decides to ripp out our guts and then make us eat it. THen when we are getting settled, it happens again. And for the most part we are still behind. THough they try to change it. And to be honest, if I had known all about all the hastles I would have used a mac. I however have invested to much in windows to go over now. All the games and legal software and all that. Its a real pain. There are probably good points in upgrading but for us it doesn't happen straight away, maybe 6 months, maybe a year or 2 years or more. At 05:58 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah, you know allot of people just do not like change. Routine is comfortable. And learning a new way of doing things may not be easy for some. And then there is that often our access is behind. That is our screen reader of choice may not support the newest version of an operating system as it comes out. And then I don't think that the graphical user interface is as intuitive for us as it is for sighted folks. So when it totally changes it may be harder for us to get a grip on what is going on with it. Heck it took allot of blind people a very long time to move on from the text based command line to the graphical user interface. BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I am also affraid for the community at large. We will be definately left in the dark after we go fully 64 and especially if and when ms stop 32 bit production. Xp has always done things ok, and some still say its faster. I have not found any advantage access wise in win7 or the latest office version. However we still have a chance, all devs need to get off vb fully if they can. Its a bit of a pitch but we can probably do it. Bgt will probably be the next platform to write things in. However, when windows stops vb support, the blind gamers community will probably die. I still like the old games. Saying that the dos stuff could probably be converted to windows and the vb6 stuff probably should be put into something that is supported. Maybe as I say bgt or something. but yeah, ms are the borg. What I fear is no one will change or at least change fast enough. We still have a large ammount of games relying on old tech, dos games, vb games, free and payed for a like. In the short term we can buy older systems with xp or buy xp. However as it gets longer and longer we will find it harder and harder to get things. At 12:04 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do generally appreciate the point that better applications for doing tasks like brousing the internet or text editing exist, - certainly I wouldn't go back to using the old word perfect 4 which i learnt typing on as a teenager. However with microsoft it seems quite often they just dump things on people with no chance to change and expect the general public to just go along with it. Take ribbon controls. Back after the change from 95 to xp there was a classic mode, which made elements of the xp ui resemble earlier versions of windows. Do we see this in windows 7 or 8? heck no! Many fully sighted users hate ribbons and the windows arrow, finding them needlessly confusing, yet does microsoft care? no! As far as compatibility goes, the case for games seems very different from the case for other software. Each game is to a lesser or greater extent unique, indeed each game may be considdered an art form to the extent that it is! unique. Companies like Nintendo have recognized this, which is why there is a wii virtual console etc. Microsoft however don't seem to give a dam, despite the fact that windows has probably the largest proportion of independent game developers for any operating system. If including dependencies in windows isn't possible, why couldn't microsoft create a package, something like a windows orientated dosbox with 16 bit dependencies and vb registrations, expressly for running older games on newer windows. microsoft however don't care about either the players of indi produced games, or the various indi developers who've worked on them, which is why an open source alternative like dosbox was needed. However this wouldn't be necessary if microsoft gave a dam, but just like with the ribbon controls, microsoft just seem to expect people to upgrade because something is newer. i'm afraid for myself, and indeed for probably a lot of other computer users, my Pc is of value only based upon what I can do with it, not based upon whether it has the latest technology or flashy displays, - indeed I've never bothered upgrading my microsoft word, sinse ms word 2007 which this machine comes with serves me perfectly well. One of those things is play old games. Were my snes to actually break, there would be an alternative, namely buying a wii (though sadly it wouldn't work well for me due to access to the silly wii mote menues), however were my xp machine to break, and were vb support dropped, i'd be saying goodbye to lots of games. I suppose eventually some open source alternative to vb support will appear, maybe a virtual machine option, but how useable that would be for the average skilled user, and how accessible it would be I don't know. Dosbox is afterall completely inaccessible, and the only dosbox applications I have are ones that have been configured to run as windows programs like the Prince of persia totalpack. Already the Eamon games are unplayable on windows 7 machines without running an apple emulator, which means they are inaccessible as well, I wonder how long it will be before all the games we have now that use vb will go the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I like bits and pieces of win7 menus. 1. the search box. I never need to interact with the menu again. run, yes I can type music, downloads or whatever a registered program and up it come. I like the office ribbon, everything is tidier, though it will be another learning curve. What I really hate now are those program that want to use custom controls oh and the fact that some programes explorer, ie, and a few command line progs work differently or display to much info. Sound recorder is also quite bad, some sort of progress bar is always doing bad things. At 12:23 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Tom. My problem with the start menue generally in 7, and indeed most of the interface, is that it all works contextually. For the past 12 or so years, I've learnt my way around the insides of windows by looking at what things are where, and putting things in places that I can easily find myself again. For instance, my documents I've always used for documents, and for music have a music folder instead. The idea of having music insides the documents folder is less than logical to me. I then have start menue icons grouped by use and developer. I have one folder for audio games, with sub folders for gma, usa games, spoonbill etc, one for text games with if interpreters and the like, one for freeware graphical games, one for generally useful programs such as avg etc. This way I can A, find stuff more easily, but also know exactly what I've got just as easily as if I were to read the braille lables on my snes cartridges. This is why i don't like the context sensative stuff, especially sinse it's usually based on last used. if I get a hankering to play shades of doom, it doesn't matter if I've not played it for a while, indeed say I've finished playing q9, I don't want that on the top of the menue. i suppose I just like being in personal control of where things are rather than leaving it to a computer filing system which might not be as I like it, much less be reliant upon a search box and auto complete features. As it turns out, you can create folders in the start menue of windows 7, so I'll probably just try and get as close to my current setup as humanly possible. it's not really a case of liking the xp interface, for me, it's more a case of liking an interface that I can have some measure of control over. In windows 7, that control is reduced, hence my dislike for the system, indeed I'm not looking forward to having to cope with windows explorer in 7 at all, sinse once again that has far more options than I need. Again, this seems a case where microsoft have unilaterally decided what is best for everyone to have without any considderation that people may want something different. Beware the grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Because ms are the borg. They just like chucking things round. However that is only the main persons, some parts may not. But you would have to push for it. And since you can't really damage it ms can just go ahead etc. I have issue with their licencing system to, its so hard to get one, if you loose it you may as well buy another program and oh 1 system only? It insures you have to get another coppy and end up with 3 hundred coppies of the same thing for that many systems. At 12:24 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: So if this is the reason we all love windows, why don't microsoft considder keeping it so? Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf yep, and its exactly because of the backwards compatibility that we all love windows. you can run anything, on nearly anything. yes, thats changing, but it has to, at some point. dallas On 12/12/2011 08:44, Alex Kenny wrote: Hi, Actually, Microsoft goes to great lengths to ensure backward-compatibility, much more than many other tech companies. If Microsoft behaved like Apple, i can garuntee that you would not be able to run VB games on modern machines, because MS would have removed support from their OS as soon as they decided to stop supporting it. Take the Windows API, for example. It's been around since 1985, and in order to ensure compatibility, MS just continued to add functionality and hacks. Because of this, the API has become extremely bloated with some redundant functions and annoying limitations. In Windows 8, they've created a whole new API, but are still supporting the old Windows API, despite the fact that it probably adds incredible bloat and increases the complexity of the OS. Because of this, I have to disagree with you that MS doesn't care about backward-compatibility. They have many, many faults, but that's not one of them. There comes a time when backward-compatibility must be broken to allow for improvement. We had to say goodbye to the DOS command prompt, Windows 9X and 16-bit software. We will probably be saying goodbye to VB support as well. Of course, if Windows 8 is the last to support VB, you'll still have lots of time to upgrade, as Microsoft supports its operating systems for quite a while. On 12/11/11, darkd...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Alex. As I said I'm not annoyed that Microsoft update their os, they have to, even if we don't like some of their decisions on interfaces etc. it just seems though that they don't give a dam about running older programs, games or anything else, they just claime newer = better it seems without actually considdering what people want their computers for, namely to run programs. comador didn't do this with their os or machines, even with compltely new hardware, going from amigar 500 to 1200. Even the big console developers are realizing that people like running their old games, hence the wii virtual consoles, virtual arcade and other such software versions of older games stil available on modern machines. Microsoft though just seem to expect everyone to update, buy their products and cope, because newer is always better in their opinion. for myself, if i could be certain all my games and other applications would work under windows 7, I'd be much less wary about updating. I just see this as a case of not listening to the customer and doing their own dam thing and expecting everyone to cope simply because they are a big fat company who just care about the prophit. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
thats true, its not all bad. win7 is sertainly more stable on a more powerfull system. Its just we don't move as fast as the world. At 10:35 p.m. 12/12/2011 +1000, you wrote: because holding backwards compatibilyt for to long makes things unstable. and besides, the newer codes can do more, and take less power out of the system anyway. dallas On 12/12/2011 22:24, dark wrote: So if this is the reason we all love windows, why don't microsoft considder keeping it so? Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf yep, and its exactly because of the backwards compatibility that we all love windows. you can run anything, on nearly anything. yes, thats changing, but it has to, at some point. dallas On 12/12/2011 08:44, Alex Kenny wrote: Hi, Actually, Microsoft goes to great lengths to ensure backward-compatibility, much more than many other tech companies. If Microsoft behaved like Apple, i can garuntee that you would not be able to run VB games on modern machines, because MS would have removed support from their OS as soon as they decided to stop supporting it. Take the Windows API, for example. It's been around since 1985, and in order to ensure compatibility, MS just continued to add functionality and hacks. Because of this, the API has become extremely bloated with some redundant functions and annoying limitations. In Windows 8, they've created a whole new API, but are still supporting the old Windows API, despite the fact that it probably adds incredible bloat and increases the complexity of the OS. Because of this, I have to disagree with you that MS doesn't care about backward-compatibility. They have many, many faults, but that's not one of them. There comes a time when backward-compatibility must be broken to allow for improvement. We had to say goodbye to the DOS command prompt, Windows 9X and 16-bit software. We will probably be saying goodbye to VB support as well. Of course, if Windows 8 is the last to support VB, you'll still have lots of time to upgrade, as Microsoft supports its operating systems for quite a while. On 12/11/11, darkd...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Alex. As I said I'm not annoyed that Microsoft update their os, they have to, even if we don't like some of their decisions on interfaces etc. it just seems though that they don't give a dam about running older programs, games or anything else, they just claime newer = better it seems without actually considdering what people want their computers for, namely to run programs. comador didn't do this with their os or machines, even with compltely new hardware, going from amigar 500 to 1200. Even the big console developers are realizing that people like running their old games, hence the wii virtual consoles, virtual arcade and other such software versions of older games stil available on modern machines. Microsoft though just seem to expect everyone to update, buy their products and cope, because newer is always better in their opinion. for myself, if i could be certain all my games and other applications would work under windows 7, I'd be much less wary about updating. I just see this as a case of not listening to the customer and doing their own dam thing and expecting everyone to cope simply because they are a big fat company who just care about the prophit. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
where do you get your info is there a main blog or something for stuff At 10:36 p.m. 12/12/2011 +1000, you wrote: yeah, they are getting rid of them, cause people really don't like them. so yes, they do listen. but removing something sometimes is harder then putting it in, without messing something up. so its taken them a bit. dallas On 12/12/2011 22:29, dark wrote: hMMMHmmm dallas, that's more than I've heard as yet. I thought windows 8 stil had them, though I might be wrong. If so, I'm glad and hope microsoft go back to something more logical. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
why would it kill the blind gaming community? it didn't kill the mainstream, and besides, i believe it would do use better to focus on helping mainstream games get access built in anyways. dallas On 13/12/2011 18:38, shaun everiss wrote: I am also affraid for the community at large. We will be definately left in the dark after we go fully 64 and especially if and when ms stop 32 bit production. Xp has always done things ok, and some still say its faster. I have not found any advantage access wise in win7 or the latest office version. However we still have a chance, all devs need to get off vb fully if they can. Its a bit of a pitch but we can probably do it. Bgt will probably be the next platform to write things in. However, when windows stops vb support, the blind gamers community will probably die. I still like the old games. Saying that the dos stuff could probably be converted to windows and the vb6 stuff probably should be put into something that is supported. Maybe as I say bgt or something. but yeah, ms are the borg. What I fear is no one will change or at least change fast enough. We still have a large ammount of games relying on old tech, dos games, vb games, free and payed for a like. In the short term we can buy older systems with xp or buy xp. However as it gets longer and longer we will find it harder and harder to get things. At 12:04 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do generally appreciate the point that better applications for doing tasks like brousing the internet or text editing exist, - certainly I wouldn't go back to using the old word perfect 4 which i learnt typing on as a teenager. However with microsoft it seems quite often they just dump things on people with no chance to change and expect the general public to just go along with it. Take ribbon controls. Back after the change from 95 to xp there was a classic mode, which made elements of the xp ui resemble earlier versions of windows. Do we see this in windows 7 or 8? heck no! Many fully sighted users hate ribbons and the windows arrow, finding them needlessly confusing, yet does microsoft care? no! As far as compatibility goes, the case for games seems very different from the case for other software. Each game is to a lesser or greater extent unique, indeed each game may be considdered an art form to the extent that it is! unique. Companies like Nintendo have recognized this, which is why there is a wii virtual console etc. Microsoft however don't seem to give a dam, despite the fact that windows has probably the largest proportion of independent game developers for any operating system. If including dependencies in windows isn't possible, why couldn't microsoft create a package, something like a windows orientated dosbox with 16 bit dependencies and vb registrations, expressly for running older games on newer windows. microsoft however don't care about either the players of indi produced games, or the various indi developers who've worked on them, which is why an open source alternative like dosbox was needed. However this wouldn't be necessary if microsoft gave a dam, but just like with the ribbon controls, microsoft just seem to expect people to upgrade because something is newer. i'm afraid for myself, and indeed for probably a lot of other computer users, my Pc is of value only based upon what I can do with it, not based upon whether it has the latest technology or flashy displays, - indeed I've never bothered upgrading my microsoft word, sinse ms word 2007 which this machine comes with serves me perfectly well. One of those things is play old games. Were my snes to actually break, there would be an alternative, namely buying a wii (though sadly it wouldn't work well for me due to access to the silly wii mote menues), however were my xp machine to break, and were vb support dropped, i'd be saying goodbye to lots of games. I suppose eventually some open source alternative to vb support will appear, maybe a virtual machine option, but how useable that would be for the average skilled user, and how accessible it would be I don't know. Dosbox is afterall completely inaccessible, and the only dosbox applications I have are ones that have been configured to run as windows programs like the Prince of persia totalpack. Already the Eamon games are unplayable on windows 7 machines without running an apple emulator, which means they are inaccessible as well, I wonder how long it will be before all the games we have now that use vb will go the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
Hi trouble. True, by the end of it I was hating dos, 1 task at once. And yes win 9x compaired to what we have is just as sucky now. Its probably more the fact that we have been stagnating using windows and not having to work for access which is the problem. Ms are actually trying to release development test systems to the reader previders. And with nvda we are constantly going up and up. So its not all bad, it is sertainly not as bad or expensive as it used to be but to some extent it still is. We have however had the same stuff for to long, but cash is the thing. I have seen win7 and live it a bit more than xp. Though saying that I will stay 32 bit as long as I can really. At 07:39 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: As far as change. You have to have it or stuff don't get done. People get lazy doing the same old stuff, and when something comes out that makes something better to use or at least lets us use it in a normal fashion. Progress moves even faster. We use to have to wait until the first or second upgrade to a op before we got to have speech on it. The main reason it took a long time to get out of text is mainly the cost of computers and speech was not all that good. Once more sighted people started buying computers the blind had it made, because that forced a push to make them useful. Now a big portion of the blind community has computers. More talk back and forth and no one has to wait for letters that never come or are out of date when gotten. I remember when apple came out with the first talking computer. It was so basic, but didn't do a thing for the blind as much as it does now. If I had the computers I have had in the past when I was going to school. I might of not had as much time doing that work and learned even more. My girlfriend's niece is only 7 in third grade. That kid gets computer homework every night. By the time she hits high school. She will be able to run it without having to pay anyone to fix problems with it. computers have bridged the learning curve for schools that if the kids would just learn it instead of waste it. We might be doing the Buck Rogers thing buy now. You find more things going forward then staying in the past and becoming outdated and useless! Just think about 8tracks. They came and gone like dust and about as useless. The same routine just gets borring, daul and mindless. If never progressed then nothing else gets made to work with those that are disabled. The last example is windows and our games. No win95, no VB6 and all those games you like to play. Don't say text based was good. No one wanted to write commands for everything on the computer. i knew a secratary that used a computer every day at work. When I came up with my talking computer using the command line. She didn't even know how to do that. She was a spoon fed macro sighted world. I passed her college learned computer tasks in about 1 munth thanks to my talking computer and windows. I will move right along with these computers, because each move is more i can do! At 05:58 AM 12/12/2011, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah, you know allot of people just do not like change. Routine is comfortable. And learning a new way of doing things may not be easy for some. And then there is that often our access is behind. That is our screen reader of choice may not support the newest version of an operating system as it comes out. And then I don't think that the graphical user interface is as intuitive for us as it is for sighted folks. So when it totally changes it may be harder for us to get a grip on what is going on with it. Heck it took allot of blind people a very long time to move on from the text based command line to the graphical user interface. BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi. I only agree with one thing you said and that is the fact that VB6 is a sinking ship. We need a fail safe way to keep playing the VB6 games and insure we don't lose them. And I don't believe keeping a virtual machine that takes up a few odd gigs and runs slowly is the best answer. As for being left in the dark, many of us already are and it hasn't stopped us playing audio games. This community will be around as long as there are people that want to play games. Access is improving in many cases. Using an application and denying it has accessibility because it doesn't work in the same way as the old things does does not prove anything. As for 64 bit windows and SAPI, we can use 32 bit voices, it just takes a little work. Hopefully ms will pull their collective heads out of the recess and allow 32 bit voices to be used without tricks in the new version of SAPI. On 12/13/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I am also affraid for the community at large. We will be definately left in the dark after we go fully 64 and especially if and when ms stop 32 bit production. Xp has always done things ok, and some still say its faster. I have not found any advantage access wise in win7 or the latest office version. However we still have a chance, all devs need to get off vb fully if they can. Its a bit of a pitch but we can probably do it. Bgt will probably be the next platform to write things in. However, when windows stops vb support, the blind gamers community will probably die. I still like the old games. Saying that the dos stuff could probably be converted to windows and the vb6 stuff probably should be put into something that is supported. Maybe as I say bgt or something. but yeah, ms are the borg. What I fear is no one will change or at least change fast enough. We still have a large ammount of games relying on old tech, dos games, vb games, free and payed for a like. In the short term we can buy older systems with xp or buy xp. However as it gets longer and longer we will find it harder and harder to get things. At 12:04 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do generally appreciate the point that better applications for doing tasks like brousing the internet or text editing exist, - certainly I wouldn't go back to using the old word perfect 4 which i learnt typing on as a teenager. However with microsoft it seems quite often they just dump things on people with no chance to change and expect the general public to just go along with it. Take ribbon controls. Back after the change from 95 to xp there was a classic mode, which made elements of the xp ui resemble earlier versions of windows. Do we see this in windows 7 or 8? heck no! Many fully sighted users hate ribbons and the windows arrow, finding them needlessly confusing, yet does microsoft care? no! As far as compatibility goes, the case for games seems very different from the case for other software. Each game is to a lesser or greater extent unique, indeed each game may be considdered an art form to the extent that it is! unique. Companies like Nintendo have recognized this, which is why there is a wii virtual console etc. Microsoft however don't seem to give a dam, despite the fact that windows has probably the largest proportion of independent game developers for any operating system. If including dependencies in windows isn't possible, why couldn't microsoft create a package, something like a windows orientated dosbox with 16 bit dependencies and vb registrations, expressly for running older games on newer windows. microsoft however don't care about either the players of indi produced games, or the various indi developers who've worked on them, which is why an open source alternative like dosbox was needed. However this wouldn't be necessary if microsoft gave a dam, but just like with the ribbon controls, microsoft just seem to expect people to upgrade because something is newer. i'm afraid for myself, and indeed for probably a lot of other computer users, my Pc is of value only based upon what I can do with it, not based upon whether it has the latest technology or flashy displays, - indeed I've never bothered upgrading my microsoft word, sinse ms word 2007 which this machine comes with serves me perfectly well. One of those things is play old games. Were my snes to actually break, there would be an alternative, namely buying a wii (though sadly it wouldn't work well for me due to access to the silly wii mote menues), however were my xp machine to break, and were vb support dropped, i'd be saying goodbye to lots of games. I suppose eventually some open source alternative to vb support will appear, maybe a virtual machine option, but how useable that would be for the average skilled user, and how accessible it would be I don't know. Dosbox is afterall completely inaccessible, and the only dosbox applications I have are ones that have been configured to run as windows programs
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
couldn't tell you. saw it in my many searches of the net, no dout in search of something totally different. ahaha. dallas On 13/12/2011 18:46, shaun everiss wrote: where do you get your info is there a main blog or something for stuff At 10:36 p.m. 12/12/2011 +1000, you wrote: yeah, they are getting rid of them, cause people really don't like them. so yes, they do listen. but removing something sometimes is harder then putting it in, without messing something up. so its taken them a bit. dallas On 12/12/2011 22:29, dark wrote: hMMMHmmm dallas, that's more than I've heard as yet. I thought windows 8 stil had them, though I might be wrong. If so, I'm glad and hope microsoft go back to something more logical. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I have not heard about classic start menu, but there is classic shell to, which works to. At 01:41 p.m. 12/12/2011 +0100, you wrote: Hi dark, For the problem you mention with windows 7 start menu, there is a good solution: there is a small program called classic start menu. You will easily find it on google. This program is very light, and replace the crappy mmixed up windows 7 start menu with a classic start menu like W98 or XP. I use it allmost since I switched to W7, because original start menu of windows 7 annoyed me as well. In fact the only nice thing in the W7 start menu is the search field, all the rest is crap. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi trouble. Hmmm this is quite lively. In responce to the touch issue, as long as we can get a keyboard of sorts on a system I am all for touch, maybe have speech rec to. Ofcause the fact with apple that you have different chalenges is something to think about though I have heard users touch and go quite fast, faster than the board. Windows being touch, hmmm. Jaws etc will cost lots to upgrade, nvda is the only one that is thinking about developing touch as far as I know. Ofcause we would have to make another touch system. We must remember that all the interfaces, reader, etc are kernal based, no doubt we will have other issues with touch. However that would solve a lot of the issues we are and could have in the future. it would make us freer. However I have people that still think the mouse and touch systems are not a good idea. I have gotten used to swamp with the mouse and am about to upgrade. Touch, hmmm maybe if I got a bigger pad, hmmm. At 07:46 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: The next move for screen readers should be touch. Apple already makes use of this and I use it a lot. i go through twice as much email as i can with jaws and lets not forget moving around on the computer with just my finger and no spoken commands. The games that can be explored by touch are going to be interesting. Just look what the mouse has done. And that could of ben done sooner. The problem is those that write the screen readers didn't think blind people could use a mouse. At 02:18 AM 12/12/2011, you wrote: Hi ?Charles, Well, let me answer your question with a question. How do you expect them to make money if they don't continually release upgrades? It sounds to me like your question is along the lines of if it ain't broke don't fix it. While it might seem like you are paying money to do the same old things with OS that takes more memory, more CPU power, etc but I don't think you are paying attention to features or upgrades that have been added to the operating system. Let's use Windows Explorer as a simple example here. Back in Windows 98 you could not burn cds or dvds through Windows Explorer. Beginning with Windows XP you could burn data cds and music cds directly from Windows Explorer. In Windows 7 you can burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and make video dvds by burning avi and mpg files to dvd all through Windows Explorer. My point being that we can clearly see new features like this being added to each successive version of Windows Explorer. Its really not a case of the same thing different version as a lot of other Windows programs have undergone a similar evolution. Weather you use those new features or not is really beside the point. The way I read your message is Microsoft doesn't do anything new or different from one version of Windows to the next accept make the OS more bloated, more of a memory hog, and there is nothing to ever recommend upgrading. I suppose some of what you say has some truth to it, but as I said above I think its simply a case of not taking advantage of the features and updates that are there. For instance,in Windows 7 there are a number of gadgets, little applets, you can dock to your desktop to monitor stocks and other real time information. Well, obviously if you don't follow the stock market and don't use the stock ticker gadget that would seem like a pretty useless upgrade to you personally. However, I'm sure there are plenty of people who buy and trade stocks online who happen to use that little stock ticker gadget, and for them upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 would have features they find useful in trading stocks. My point being not everything Microsoft adds to the latest Windows release will be important to you personally and it may even seem like the same thing different version, but for someone like me its really and truly not the same thing. There are a number of reasons a person might choose to upgrade weather it is bug fixes, security fixes, a new look and feel, more gadgets, additional features, whatever. It all depends on how much or how little you get out of your computer to begin with. Cheers! On 12/11/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Do they really have to continually upgrade the operating system and programs, making more power hogs, making us buy more powerful computers to do the same tasks we were previously doing but having to use more powerful processors and use more of the resources to do those tasks? Why can't they just leave well enough alone once they get a system that actually does what it's supposed to do? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
Yeah, tom, change always seems to have us going backwards. On the subject of readers though it depends, I put off upgrading as much as I could, to the point where if I didn't upgrade I'd miss major things so its worth it. However its justifying it. Right I am at home with my parents. I can get anything I want. Dad is not getting yunger, and in 3 or so years he will retire. At which point, I really can't ask for 30 buck games or system upgrades. Worse of all I am not really going anywhere to warrent an upgrade. If push comes to shove, I may have to abandon the use of my pertable which will be a real pain. I may have to be wedded to an old desktop. Ofcause as long as this unit survives and it has not shown that it is dieing yet, I will have a system to use. I have one comercial reader upgraded, so at least I won't be fully stuck. Maybe if my life changes some I may ask for upgraded systems and software. But for now no I can't see the justification. In fact the only reason I upgraded to this current system was because of the fact xp was about to go when vista came and I wanted to stay with xp because software didn't match up to it yet. But its not the issue of upgrading its just we move slower in that reguard like anything else we need to get round it slowly. At 07:51 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Jim, Sure. Access is always a serious consideration. For us upgrading an operating system often requires purchasing one or more upgrades of our screen reader in order to get equal access to what a sighted user has access to just because he/she can see what's presented on the screen without any access technology. And I here you about some people not being comfortable with change. For instance, the majority of Microsoft's new flagship products like Word, Excel, Access, Outlook, Internet Explorer, Windows Mail, the Windows 8 beta, etc all now have ribbons instead of the classic menu bars. It is not so much they aren't accessible, which they are with most modern screen readers, but more it is harder to locate a specific option on the ribbon since you have to move up/down or left/right until you locate the option you want to use. I've used them enough to remember where a specific option is and can locate it quickly, but for a user just coming to the new ribbons they can be confusing and a bit frustrating. I don't fault anyone for not exactly jumping up and down with joy over that kind of change in user interface as its something of a step backward for us. However, I'm a realist about it. I realize that there are probably plenty of mainstream users who find the ribbons easier to use because they were designed with pointing and clicking with a mouse in mind. As we all know what might be simpler for a sighted user with a mouse isn't necessarily going to be as accessible or as user friendly for us. My feeling here is that as a blind user I know Microsoft and other companies aren't going to go out of there way to make their user interfaces more accessible for us, and that we don't have much of a choice but to adapt to the changes as they come. I'm willing to relearn the interface as long as its A, accessible to me, and B, there is an advantage in upgrading to the new software. However, as I said before a lot of what makes upgrading worth while depends on what exactly you use your computer for and what you can get out of the upgrade. On Windows 7 there is a program called Windows Live Writer which I can use to compose and update my blogs. Oh, that's all well and good for someone like me who has a blog, but someone who doesn't do much blogging wouldn't find the application of any use to them. Thus how important or unimportant an upgrade is depends on if those upgrades are personally useful or not. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah, you know allot of people just do not like change. Routine is comfortable. And learning a new way of doing things may not be easy for some. And then there is that often our access is behind. That is our screen reader of choice may not support the newest version of an operating system as it comes out. And then I don't think that the graphical user interface is as intuitive for us as it is for sighted folks. So when it totally changes it may be harder for us to get a grip on what is going on with it. Heck it took allot of blind people a very long time to move on from the text based command line to the graphical user interface. BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
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Hey, Darren. How can I contact the developers of Inception and Dimensions? If you could give me a contact for them I would love to send them an email about the accessibility for their apps. I know from your podcast you had mention that you had already sent them a email but if more people send them a email that are blind then they can see that they have blind gamers that play their games. Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Yeah they did the same with me and had a hybred os, that didn't go down well. So I get your point troubl. At 08:40 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: They did that option and called it vista! Now if you don't have max ram and high CPU it runs like a brick! Remove the old outdated junk and you got win7 or even 8. At 08:13 AM 12/12/2011, you wrote: Frankly dallas where games are concerned, I couldn't give a monkies how good the newer codes are. As I said, I don't really care about how powerful or anything else a system is, I care about what I can do with it. That's why i stil have a snes, sinse I can play all the game i rather like on it, despite it being no where near up to the standard of todays games' consoles. As I said, I just would like microsoft to acknolidge this, perhaps with a compatibility pack option that could be downloaded for those who needed it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Yeah its all about cash. If only there was some sort of converter to convert things to what they need to be at, ie vb6 to vb.net, etc. That would make it much easier and there probably is, we just have to look for it. Or make it, it doesn't look like it would be that hard to do. At 03:40 p.m. 12/12/2011 +0200, you wrote: Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what drives the changes to the user interfaces. They tell their customers see it looks different, so it is new where as most of the code is reused over windows versions. I agree with those who said that for innovation to happen we need change, but change does not always indicate something better. On 12/12/11, Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com wrote: actually, the better codes, = better gaming possibilities. so yes, it makes a different. dallas On 12/12/2011 23:13, dark wrote: Frankly dallas where games are concerned, I couldn't give a monkies how good the newer codes are. As I said, I don't really care about how powerful or anything else a system is, I care about what I can do with it. That's why i stil have a snes, sinse I can play all the game i rather like on it, despite it being no where near up to the standard of todays games' consoles. As I said, I just would like microsoft to acknolidge this, perhaps with a compatibility pack option that could be downloaded for those who needed it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I like the start menu in win7 to, I have got used to the columns and actually like it for the most part. At 09:02 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi. It's easy to turn off the most recently used programs from displaying in the start menu, just as it is easy to turn that off in windows xp without needing to switch it to the classic start menu which I don't like by the way. I like xp's default start menu with the most recent programs list turned off much more than the classic start menu that looks like windows 98. Also I like that win7's start menu is a tree view that's a little easier to find things in even without using the search box. If you want something in programs just go to the start menu, up arrow out of the edit box, right arrow to programs, up arrow again to get out of the search box that you'll land on in there, and type a few letter of what you want, like gm for GMA tank commander or you could type aud hit right arrow type gm right arrow type ta for tank commander right arrow type pl for play though I believe you'd already be on play so you might get unexpected results in that particular case. What I don't like about 7's start menu is that once you open something, you can't close it without first arrowing up to the actual item you're inside, so if you're in the GMA folder you have to arrow up to where it says GMA expanded and then hit left arrow to close it. That's pretty annoying when you're used to hitting left arrow a bunch of times indiscriminately like I do in thunderbird to close what you've expanded your way out onto. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.16 portable. On 12/12/2011 8:17 AM, dark wrote: Thanks quentin, It's good to know that someone! in the open source community has thought the same and won't accept what microsoft give out. Certainly when I do have to get windows 7 I'll have a look for that program. i've heard of classic shell before, but I don't think that covers the start menue. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: QuentinC quent...@cfardel.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark, For the problem you mention with windows 7 start menu, there is a good solution: there is a small program called classic start menu. You will easily find it on google. This program is very light, and replace the crappy mmixed up windows 7 start menu with a classic start menu like W98 or XP. I use it allmost since I switched to W7, because original start menu of windows 7 annoyed me as well. In fact the only nice thing in the W7 start menu is the search field, all the rest is crap. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind.
you mean something with the wie or the cinect units on xbox. I guess if in some of the sports games menus, messages and instructions were spoken we would be able to play them. But a game where you would have to physically interact would rock. The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is the ios units. At 09:37 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hey, All. I was wondering what augmented games out there that are accessible for the blind? You may ask what is a augmented game well here is what it is. Games like Dimensions adventures in the multiverse, Inception, and of course the new game that will be out soon Zombies run. These games are basically to me virtual audio games because they require the player to actually interact with the game like do things as talk run walk and other type of things to be able to unlock things in the game. The other thing the game require you to do is to fully be involve with the game just like if you was really in the game. If someone could point me in the direction to find more games just like the ones I name that would be awsome. I am looking for games that are on the IOS device. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I do to, I like to be in control of everything, but It was mainly because windows didn't do a good job at it, win7 does to some extent, in fact thats one thing I like. It moniters itself and maintains itself for the most part, making the interface easier to use. Ofcause as it gets more and more inaccessable we will be relying on what the system can do for itself. At 02:39 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: As I said valliant, I just don't like relying on a search box, I prefer to physically go and put things in different places. Also, the expanded thing was irritating in the explorer for windows 7, I personally prefer just hitting enter on a folder to see what's inside it, though again this is just microsoft altering the Ui and telling people it's different. I'll probably get that program quentin mentioned. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi. It's easy to turn off the most recently used programs from displaying in the start menu, just as it is easy to turn that off in windows xp without needing to switch it to the classic start menu which I don't like by the way. I like xp's default start menu with the most recent programs list turned off much more than the classic start menu that looks like windows 98. Also I like that win7's start menu is a tree view that's a little easier to find things in even without using the search box. If you want something in programs just go to the start menu, up arrow out of the edit box, right arrow to programs, up arrow again to get out of the search box that you'll land on in there, and type a few letter of what you want, like gm for GMA tank commander or you could type aud hit right arrow type gm right arrow type ta for tank commander right arrow type pl for play though I believe you'd already be on play so you might get unexpected results in that particular case. What I don't like about 7's start menu is that once you open something, you can't close it without first arrowing up to the actual item you're inside, so if you're in the GMA folder you have to arrow up to where it says GMA expanded and then hit left arrow to close it. That's pretty annoying when you're used to hitting left arrow a bunch of times indiscriminately like I do in thunderbird to close what you've expanded your way out onto. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.16 portable. On 12/12/2011 8:17 AM, dark wrote: Thanks quentin, It's good to know that someone! in the open source community has thought the same and won't accept what microsoft give out. Certainly when I do have to get windows 7 I'll have a look for that program. i've heard of classic shell before, but I don't think that covers the start menue. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: QuentinC quent...@cfardel.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark, For the problem you mention with windows 7 start menu, there is a good solution: there is a small program called classic start menu. You will easily find it on google. This program is very light, and replace the crappy mmixed up windows 7 start menu with a classic start menu like W98 or XP. I use it allmost since I switched to W7, because original start menu of windows 7 annoyed me as well. In fact the only nice thing in the W7 start menu is the search field, all the rest is crap. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
we never had to pay for service packs but oses 7 and vista, yeah we had to pay for both. At 09:26 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: Sort of like paying for a whole bunch of benefits that are provided by a hotel that you won't be using, in case you did want to use them. That part I understand. But building a new one every 2 years or so and, after a time, closing the older one that is more popular and that no longer has plumbing or electrical problems, so that the customer must use the one that still has the bugs in it? That's what I don't like. If I have something that is stable and basically reliably bug free, why should I have to get the new one that is not? If they want to make more money, their product should be worth the cost we must pay. Service packs for XP were free of charge, and they fixed what we had to pay for, that was broke, to begin with. Windows 7 fixed the Vista bugs, and I think we had to pay for both? I might be wrong in that one, though. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi ?Charles, Well, let me answer your question with a question. How do you expect them to make money if they don't continually release upgrades? It sounds to me like your question is along the lines of if it ain't broke don't fix it. While it might seem like you are paying money to do the same old things with OS that takes more memory, more CPU power, etc but I don't think you are paying attention to features or upgrades that have been added to the operating system. Let's use Windows Explorer as a simple example here. Back in Windows 98 you could not burn cds or dvds through Windows Explorer. Beginning with Windows XP you could burn data cds and music cds directly from Windows Explorer. In Windows 7 you can burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and make video dvds by burning avi and mpg files to dvd all through Windows Explorer. My point being that we can clearly see new features like this being added to each successive version of Windows Explorer. Its really not a case of the same thing different version as a lot of other Windows programs have undergone a similar evolution. Weather you use those new features or not is really beside the point. The way I read your message is Microsoft doesn't do anything new or different from one version of Windows to the next accept make the OS more bloated, more of a memory hog, and there is nothing to ever recommend upgrading. I suppose some of what you say has some truth to it, but as I said above I think its simply a case of not taking advantage of the features and updates that are there. For instance,in Windows 7 there are a number of gadgets, little applets, you can dock to your desktop to monitor stocks and other real time information. Well, obviously if you don't follow the stock market and don't use the stock ticker gadget that would seem like a pretty useless upgrade to you personally. However, I'm sure there are plenty of people who buy and trade stocks online who happen to use that little stock ticker gadget, and for them upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 would have features they find useful in trading stocks. My point being not everything Microsoft adds to the latest Windows release will be important to you personally and it may even seem like the same thing different version, but for someone like me its really and truly not the same thing. There are a number of reasons a person might choose to upgrade weather it is bug fixes, security fixes, a new look and feel, more gadgets, additional features, whatever. It all depends on how much or how little you get out of your computer to begin with. Cheers! On 12/11/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Do they really have to continually upgrade the operating system and programs, making more power hogs, making us buy more powerful computers to do the same tasks we were previously doing but having to use more powerful processors and use more of the resources to do those tasks? Why can't they just leave well enough alone once they get a system that actually does what it's supposed to do? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
yeah, though ribbons are just menus on a big string. At 09:30 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: And now we have to use a system of ribbons instead of pulldown menus. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf Hi Thomas, Yeah, you know allot of people just do not like change. Routine is comfortable. And learning a new way of doing things may not be easy for some. And then there is that often our access is behind. That is our screen reader of choice may not support the newest version of an operating system as it comes out. And then I don't think that the graphical user interface is as intuitive for us as it is for sighted folks. So when it totally changes it may be harder for us to get a grip on what is going on with it. Heck it took allot of blind people a very long time to move on from the text based command line to the graphical user interface. BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
on that note, if we knew what files and reg entries were used for 16 bit and all the vb and other stuff that would go away we could probably make a package, install and register all that ourselves as long as they worked that is. I wander if ms would release the stuff to users that are out of date. You are right though the devs have to change with it hard that it is the users, hmmm. we shouldn't have to put up with shorcoming if we could help it. At 05:18 p.m. 12/12/2011 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I don't want to judge anyone. But there is a difference here. Fine if MS wants to remove VB 6 support. It is a developer's job to do something about a programs compatibility. But what should someone do as an end user? It is not my fault if a program screams about missing DLLs... OK, I can download the VB 6 runtime if I need to run a VB 6 file. But isn't part of current DirectX end user license specifically forbidding you to manually install DX7VB.DLL or DX8VB.DLL into your current operating systems and/or their DirectX (DX 10 or DX 11)? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind.
Hey, Shawn. Yes, if you go and try dimensions you will see what I am talking about. Games that require you to really be involve like Dimensions for exsample where your world is mix with the game world. It would also be cool to find some games that you actually got to do stuff like interact with characters and objects in the game and go through different kinds of obstacles and actually fight different bad guys and bosses. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
sound, we need drivers with everything, though now ms have generic drivers you think they would have loaded those for the installs now. At 05:01 p.m. 12/12/2011 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in future Windows operating systems or other programs. But I'd like to adress a few points as well. If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for all users and not because security might be better. But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design changes. I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which screen reader can best handle it. I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or skin packs? The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created content. Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and when the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly compared to us blind people. And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. It would be good if thoose could be improoved. But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank one). For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older Windows versions. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I have not tried this but ms search is loaded with7 I have not my own but I wander if I remove it what will happen. At 05:34 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Valiant. In fairness I have only tried windows 7 on someone else's system not my own, so haven't had chance to deal with the search box. As I said though, for me it's really because I'd rather see where things are and physically go and pick them up and put down, rather than trust an automated system. Speed is less concern, though actually pressing p g g and down arrow is not that many less key presses than typing the word tank then arrowing through results either. Then of course there are many times I want to choose. For example, last time I ws on the train, i wanted a relatively quick game to play, and one that didn't have overbearing sounds. So I go into my audio games folder, look for a developer, and found spoonbill, but which game do I feel like? This is far nicer to do with a list rather than a search box. It's certainly a feature I'll try out when I get windows 7, but currently with the setup I use and my preferences for doing things i'm not sure whether it'd sute me or not. As to wifi networks, I'm slightly confused sinse the method you describe is exactly what I do on xp. Network connections in start menue, wireless network connections, enter once then you've got the list of available networks in range that you can just hit enter and connect on. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Yeah I aggree, ms seems to do this a lot. I always try to stay in the middle though I have only once pushed another system to a system that did not support it yet. it was 95 to 98 and on another system 98 to xp. I guess vista to 7 and maybe over, depending on what you have. At 12:26 p.m. 12/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
and aparently its a bit slow to. Its a pitty you can't start in xp mode though. At 01:31 p.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Problem with xp mode is that it only works on win7 pro or ultimate, no home premium users, which is most of what (at least as far as I know) is being sold in computer shops, using Best BUy Buy as my basis. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:31:44 -0330 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Before you make that argument, you should probably do a bit of research. Windows 7 includes Windows XP mode, which is a licensed, virtual copy of Windows XP. This should solve any problems with software compatibility that might exist between the two operating systems. To answer your second point, that's great that you have a SNES and can play older games. However, I've never seen you post any messages to the list accusing Nintendo of not caring about their customers because you can't play GameCube or Wii games with your SNES. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Alex. But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they have any options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for instance a licenced microsoft virtual machine? Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply because vista was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines were being bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for what the majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os and they'd lose sales. I don't really understand this business about technology moves move with it I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I keep it because I like the games on it. The fact that something is new technology has no real applicability to myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't actually let us do the things we want. A computer is afterall just a tool. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. Microsoft actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older products. For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as much as it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in order to fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really behaved as you described, they would have just released Vista two years early and dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to 2014, ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by then, XP will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to at some point move along with it. If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that have been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, DOS operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many bugs to worry about... I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command prompts. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Agreed William, this is just what I mean. As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just concerned with their bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept as a statistic. And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay the people who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most things run on it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not necessarily because I actually like microsoft at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what drives the changes to the user interfaces. They tell their customers see it looks different, so it is new where as most of the code is
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
because most games are made with vb6 thats why. Good by most old games. and the dos stuff to. unless we change that is. At 06:49 p.m. 13/12/2011 +1000, you wrote: why would it kill the blind gaming community? it didn't kill the mainstream, and besides, i believe it would do use better to focus on helping mainstream games get access built in anyways. dallas On 13/12/2011 18:38, shaun everiss wrote: I am also affraid for the community at large. We will be definately left in the dark after we go fully 64 and especially if and when ms stop 32 bit production. Xp has always done things ok, and some still say its faster. I have not found any advantage access wise in win7 or the latest office version. However we still have a chance, all devs need to get off vb fully if they can. Its a bit of a pitch but we can probably do it. Bgt will probably be the next platform to write things in. However, when windows stops vb support, the blind gamers community will probably die. I still like the old games. Saying that the dos stuff could probably be converted to windows and the vb6 stuff probably should be put into something that is supported. Maybe as I say bgt or something. but yeah, ms are the borg. What I fear is no one will change or at least change fast enough. We still have a large ammount of games relying on old tech, dos games, vb games, free and payed for a like. In the short term we can buy older systems with xp or buy xp. However as it gets longer and longer we will find it harder and harder to get things. At 12:04 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do generally appreciate the point that better applications for doing tasks like brousing the internet or text editing exist, - certainly I wouldn't go back to using the old word perfect 4 which i learnt typing on as a teenager. However with microsoft it seems quite often they just dump things on people with no chance to change and expect the general public to just go along with it. Take ribbon controls. Back after the change from 95 to xp there was a classic mode, which made elements of the xp ui resemble earlier versions of windows. Do we see this in windows 7 or 8? heck no! Many fully sighted users hate ribbons and the windows arrow, finding them needlessly confusing, yet does microsoft care? no! As far as compatibility goes, the case for games seems very different from the case for other software. Each game is to a lesser or greater extent unique, indeed each game may be considdered an art form to the extent that it is! unique. Companies like Nintendo have recognized this, which is why there is a wii virtual console etc. Microsoft however don't seem to give a dam, despite the fact that windows has probably the largest proportion of independent game developers for any operating system. If including dependencies in windows isn't possible, why couldn't microsoft create a package, something like a windows orientated dosbox with 16 bit dependencies and vb registrations, expressly for running older games on newer windows. microsoft however don't care about either the players of indi produced games, or the various indi developers who've worked on them, which is why an open source alternative like dosbox was needed. However this wouldn't be necessary if microsoft gave a dam, but just like with the ribbon controls, microsoft just seem to expect people to upgrade because something is newer. i'm afraid for myself, and indeed for probably a lot of other computer users, my Pc is of value only based upon what I can do with it, not based upon whether it has the latest technology or flashy displays, - indeed I've never bothered upgrading my microsoft word, sinse ms word 2007 which this machine comes with serves me perfectly well. One of those things is play old games. Were my snes to actually break, there would be an alternative, namely buying a wii (though sadly it wouldn't work well for me due to access to the silly wii mote menues), however were my xp machine to break, and were vb support dropped, i'd be saying goodbye to lots of games. I suppose eventually some open source alternative to vb support will appear, maybe a virtual machine option, but how useable that would be for the average skilled user, and how accessible it would be I don't know. Dosbox is afterall completely inaccessible, and the only dosbox applications I have are ones that have been configured to run as windows programs like the Prince of persia totalpack. Already the Eamon games are unplayable on windows 7 machines without running an apple emulator, which means they are inaccessible as well, I wonder how long it will be before all the games we have now that use vb will go the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
hi, uh, real reader? i only have nvda, and don't need nor want anything else. nvda is a full reader, and it can now do things better then other, 1000 dollar screen readers can in a lot of cases. as for waiting 6 months to a year or more to catch up? ... no no no, thats not the case any more. nvda usually has things solved in snapshot versions within a month or 2 at the very most. and sometimes, within weeks. dallas On 13/12/2011 18:29, shaun everiss wrote: true jim. I am not against change, but yeah it seems to happen all at once. Access is behind and usually costly to upgrade, nvda can handle most things now but still you will need a real reader to actually do everything properly and that costs cash. Its about the only thing I hate about being blind. The standard hardware I don't care about. After all that the interface we have been using for ages and ages has changed. We have to learn it with bad to no support, either have to buy it, or get it in some other way. It doesn't help when ms released bad software like me and vista or when avg stuffed its access up or in fact when any software suddenly is not accessable. We have to use old versions which I don't like, upgrade, or use other software. Its a good thing that a lot of opensource software exists because there was a stage where software I had to use but couldn't possibly afford I had to crack and thats not good. We are pushed to use sertain software standards, office, windows, etc. And unless you can just buy it yourself, or get it for a job there is almost no legal way to get it yet you need to use it because the world uses it. Again thank god for opensource. Another issue is that once we are just getting used to something its in the trash. I am just getting the concept of the ribbon in office and the windows interface for win7. Win8 and over will probably have it totally going out the window so to speak. We always seem to get the pointed end of the umbrella. Its not a gradual change we get. A zombie decides to ripp out our guts and then make us eat it. THen when we are getting settled, it happens again. And for the most part we are still behind. THough they try to change it. And to be honest, if I had known all about all the hastles I would have used a mac. I however have invested to much in windows to go over now. All the games and legal software and all that. Its a real pain. There are probably good points in upgrading but for us it doesn't happen straight away, maybe 6 months, maybe a year or 2 years or more. At 05:58 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah, you know allot of people just do not like change. Routine is comfortable. And learning a new way of doing things may not be easy for some. And then there is that often our access is behind. That is our screen reader of choice may not support the newest version of an operating system as it comes out. And then I don't think that the graphical user interface is as intuitive for us as it is for sighted folks. So when it totally changes it may be harder for us to get a grip on what is going on with it. Heck it took allot of blind people a very long time to move on from the text based command line to the graphical user interface. BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] To Darren.
Hi Michael. They are aware that blind people are playing there games, and they are working on hopefully adding some more accessibility features. You can find them on twitter @rjdj, or E-mail them at i...@rjdj.me. Hth. Thanks. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:04 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] To Darren. Hey, Darren. How can I contact the developers of Inception and Dimensions? If you could give me a contact for them I would love to send them an email about the accessibility for their apps. I know from your podcast you had mention that you had already sent them a email but if more people send them a email that are blind then they can see that they have blind gamers that play their games. Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6705 (20111212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind.
Yes shawn. Have a listen to the 2 podcasts I posted yesterday. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:14 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind. you mean something with the wie or the cinect units on xbox. I guess if in some of the sports games menus, messages and instructions were spoken we would be able to play them. But a game where you would have to physically interact would rock. The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is the ios units. At 09:37 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hey, All. I was wondering what augmented games out there that are accessible for the blind? You may ask what is a augmented game well here is what it is. Games like Dimensions adventures in the multiverse, Inception, and of course the new game that will be out soon Zombies run. These games are basically to me virtual audio games because they require the player to actually interact with the game like do things as talk run walk and other type of things to be able to unlock things in the game. The other thing the game require you to do is to fully be involve with the game just like if you was really in the game. If someone could point me in the direction to find more games just like the ones I name that would be awsome. I am looking for games that are on the IOS device. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6705 (20111212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Sorry, but what you wrote made no sense at all. Want to rethink that thought so your understood? At 04:31 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: I have not tried this but ms search is loaded with7 I have not my own but I wander if I remove it what will happen. At 05:34 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Valiant. In fairness I have only tried windows 7 on someone else's system not my own, so haven't had chance to deal with the search box. As I said though, for me it's really because I'd rather see where things are and physically go and pick them up and put down, rather than trust an automated system. Speed is less concern, though actually pressing p g g and down arrow is not that many less key presses than typing the word tank then arrowing through results either. Then of course there are many times I want to choose. For example, last time I ws on the train, i wanted a relatively quick game to play, and one that didn't have overbearing sounds. So I go into my audio games folder, look for a developer, and found spoonbill, but which game do I feel like? This is far nicer to do with a list rather than a search box. It's certainly a feature I'll try out when I get windows 7, but currently with the setup I use and my preferences for doing things i'm not sure whether it'd sute me or not. As to wifi networks, I'm slightly confused sinse the method you describe is exactly what I do on xp. Network connections in start menue, wireless network connections, enter once then you've got the list of available networks in range that you can just hit enter and connect on. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
How do you expect to use the hardware, and incase you didn't know. All versions of ops need drivers to run the hardware. At 04:25 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: sound, we need drivers with everything, though now ms have generic drivers you think they would have loaded those for the installs now. At 05:01 p.m. 12/12/2011 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in future Windows operating systems or other programs. But I'd like to adress a few points as well. If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for all users and not because security might be better. But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design changes. I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which screen reader can best handle it. I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or skin packs? The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created content. Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and when the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly compared to us blind people. And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. It would be good if thoose could be improoved. But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank one). For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older Windows versions. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
And just what plan it you from? Because I run both of those ops and never paid for sp1 on any op. At 04:18 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: we never had to pay for service packs but oses 7 and vista, yeah we had to pay for both. At 09:26 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: Sort of like paying for a whole bunch of benefits that are provided by a hotel that you won't be using, in case you did want to use them. That part I understand. But building a new one every 2 years or so and, after a time, closing the older one that is more popular and that no longer has plumbing or electrical problems, so that the customer must use the one that still has the bugs in it? That's what I don't like. If I have something that is stable and basically reliably bug free, why should I have to get the new one that is not? If they want to make more money, their product should be worth the cost we must pay. Service packs for XP were free of charge, and they fixed what we had to pay for, that was broke, to begin with. Windows 7 fixed the Vista bugs, and I think we had to pay for both? I might be wrong in that one, though. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi ?Charles, Well, let me answer your question with a question. How do you expect them to make money if they don't continually release upgrades? It sounds to me like your question is along the lines of if it ain't broke don't fix it. While it might seem like you are paying money to do the same old things with OS that takes more memory, more CPU power, etc but I don't think you are paying attention to features or upgrades that have been added to the operating system. Let's use Windows Explorer as a simple example here. Back in Windows 98 you could not burn cds or dvds through Windows Explorer. Beginning with Windows XP you could burn data cds and music cds directly from Windows Explorer. In Windows 7 you can burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and make video dvds by burning avi and mpg files to dvd all through Windows Explorer. My point being that we can clearly see new features like this being added to each successive version of Windows Explorer. Its really not a case of the same thing different version as a lot of other Windows programs have undergone a similar evolution. Weather you use those new features or not is really beside the point. The way I read your message is Microsoft doesn't do anything new or different from one version of Windows to the next accept make the OS more bloated, more of a memory hog, and there is nothing to ever recommend upgrading. I suppose some of what you say has some truth to it, but as I said above I think its simply a case of not taking advantage of the features and updates that are there. For instance,in Windows 7 there are a number of gadgets, little applets, you can dock to your desktop to monitor stocks and other real time information. Well, obviously if you don't follow the stock market and don't use the stock ticker gadget that would seem like a pretty useless upgrade to you personally. However, I'm sure there are plenty of people who buy and trade stocks online who happen to use that little stock ticker gadget, and for them upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 would have features they find useful in trading stocks. My point being not everything Microsoft adds to the latest Windows release will be important to you personally and it may even seem like the same thing different version, but for someone like me its really and truly not the same thing. There are a number of reasons a person might choose to upgrade weather it is bug fixes, security fixes, a new look and feel, more gadgets, additional features, whatever. It all depends on how much or how little you get out of your computer to begin with. Cheers! On 12/11/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Do they really have to continually upgrade the operating system and programs, making more power hogs, making us buy more powerful computers to do the same tasks we were previously doing but having to use more powerful processors and use more of the resources to do those tasks? Why can't they just leave well enough alone once they get a system that actually does what it's supposed to do? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Thomas, I am aware of this, but I am seriously questioning some of theese facts. Why do I have to use my web browser for dealing with E-Mails, when I have any Mail application installed, whether it is from MS or someone else. I know a friend and one of her mail accounts was with the German part of Windows Live. She personally told me that the web interface to access and send mails via her live account was inaccessible. Thus using Thunderbird for example was a good choice for her. But this doesn't explain why they want to promote the Windows Live tools. As I said, the feature set of Windows Live Mail is not the same as Windows Mail from Windows Vista... And Movie Maker of XP might be old, but there is also a version of Movie Maker in Vista... But Windows Live Movie Maker you are encouraged to use is not mainly a video recording and editing tool, but more like a content preparation tool for video sharing on platforms like Youtube. It means pa program with a similar name, but an entire new program behind the name. While I personally have no problems with a video sharing tool, I have a problem when MS says we dropped a video editing tool from Windows 7, but hey, there is a program with the same name, but totally different functionality!... Same goes for Windows volume control. I had the misfortune to atempt to assist my sighted mother with playback of some non standard Midi files on a Windows 7 laptop, where the installation medium (DVD) is altered by the manufacturer in a bad way... The result of the atempted midi playback left much to be desired and because the volume control program of XP was missing plus some more sound related settings, I quickly came to the end of my knowledge even with a totally sighted person next to me... That's the thing I meant... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Well Chris, the second age might be rather difficult, being as we don't know much about the actual battles of that time. Indeed, that's the period often referd to as the dark years in Lotr and other material. Even the last alliance betwene Gondor and the elve of Gilgalad was at the start of the third age, though certainly constructing campeigns for those battles would be good. it'd also be fun to have the first age, though how to represent in power some of the people who were around at that time would be difficult, heck it took several thousand orcs just to bring Hurin down, and never mind the war of wrath. i'll be interested to see how flexible the game turns out to be. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info It's been my ambition to construct a set of campaigns for LotR. With what's coming, I think it will now be possible to really bring the War of the Ring, not only from Gondor and Rohan, but the war in the north into being. I think it should also be possible to create campaigns for the First and Second age battles. The only remaining limitation that I see as a major problem is map size. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:47 PM To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Very well said, che, as always. Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Che Sent: 12 December 2011 20:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info yeah, TOC is already amazing as is, with more coming. It is going to not only be a great strategy game out of the box, but the best thing in my opinion is it is going to be a killer game construction kit for those willing to take the time. I've already created a couple of custom setups with unique units, and I think the community is going to go nuts with the potential to make star wars, MECH Warrior, LORD of the Rings, whatever they want given enough time and effort. Between TOC and SWAMP, looks like visual basic 6 is alive and kicking gang, its all in the skills, not the tools baby. later che On 12/12/2011 2:15 PM, pitermach wrote: Guess I'll need to dust off my toc skills and ask for a key replacement then... Wow. 2012 is looking to so totally be full of releases like PH, zero sight, and now this thing. On 12/12/2011 8:41 PM, dark wrote: Wow John. This is way more than I expected would be in the game, I knew he was making more units and multiplayer, but the other stuff is amazing! it sounds like time of conflict will end up as more than just a modern warfare sim, it'll end up as a platform for all sorts of sim games too, which would be fantastic! Great news indeed, and this certainly explains what happened with time of conflict and why we haven't seen the new release as yet. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4676 - Release Date: 12/12/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4676 - Release Date: 12/12/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. Full many a race is lost Ere even a race is run, And many a coward fails Ere even his work's begun. Think big, and your deeds will grow, Think small and you fall behind, Think that you can, and you will; It's all in the state of mind. If you think you are outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise; You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever win a prize. Life's battle doesn't always go To the stronger or faster man; But sooner or later, the man who wins Is the fellow who thinks he can. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Shaun, you said: We must remember that all the interfaces, reader, etc are kernal based, no doubt we will have other issues with touch. What exactly do you mean by this statement? If I decode this correctly, do you imply that all screen readers need to install hooks into the windows kernel that might not work the same on each system? This is not true by the way. NVDA and System access does not require any hooks into the kernel of windows and as long as you use the methods to access the touch pad or anything else, I can't see what the problem might be. The method jfw, etc uses will need to be changed anyway as windows 8 is very different in this regard to windows 7 and these hooks into the kernel won't work as before. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Bologna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
hi, I totally agree new apps are getting increasingly harder to use I got this laptop a year ago 2 years later this pc will be obsolete -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:49 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Bologna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf Hardly. There are quite a few who agree. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Bologna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf And certainly, yours is the only set of needs that matter. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. Full many a race is lost Ere even a race is run, And many a coward fails Ere even his work's begun. Think big, and your deeds will grow, Think small and you fall behind, Think that you can, and you will; It's all in the state of mind. If you think you are outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise; You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever win a prize. Life's battle doesn't always go To the stronger or faster man; But sooner or later, the man who wins Is the fellow who thinks he can. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp map editor posted
Yes I do hope to eventually make the map editor accessible, though I still don't know how I will manage that. There are a lot of things to do, and almost all of them are represented graphically at the moment. I think releasing it even in its current version will only help motivate me to make it more accessible. Are we also going to have an accessible map editor? I do think it'd be a good idea, reminds me how I played around with Agrip's Quake map maker. I even thought I lost my map which I made, only to discover it circulating on a very busy server. Good times indeed. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] [audyssey] swamp-chainsaw suggestion
We honor the brave mp5. It was willing to sacrifice it's reality for the enjoyment of everyone. For that, we salute you Mister mp5! *Aprone salutes* :) one thing i would also like to point out, is that the mp5, does not use 45 ammo. it uses 9 mill. put an 11.5 mill round in an mp5, and it would jam / explode. thats if you could even squeeze one of that size in. all the other weapons are corect in the ammo types, just not the mp5. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] [audyssey] swamp-chainsaw suggestion
Actually, they did make .45 ACP mp5's. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/13/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote: We honor the brave mp5. It was willing to sacrifice it's reality for the enjoyment of everyone. For that, we salute you Mister mp5! *Aprone salutes* :) one thing i would also like to point out, is that the mp5, does not use 45 ammo. it uses 9 mill. put an 11.5 mill round in an mp5, and it would jam / explode. thats if you could even squeeze one of that size in. all the other weapons are corect in the ammo types, just not the mp5. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/13/11, Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com wrote: I don't quite like the idea of being able to give stuffs to people. I have more than 2 rep points and can easily use that to make 10 people strong, but it will spoil their gaming experience. and without going through the initial difficult stage of getting themselves up and master the skills, no matter how much they have, they will be killed and back to square1. 锦发/Steady Goh - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't think we should know what's in there. A much better, although perhaps overstated, solution to the friends trouble is to just enable giving stuff to people. That way if you're like my friend who has over 1200 7.62 and over 2000 other ammo, he could share his wealth rather than only getting himself rep points he'll never really need because he hasn't bought anything at all from the safe zone for his entire playthrough of the game. Plus, giving stuff makes the game more cooperative. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/12/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: When I say move away, I mean to back up and make the zombies leave the loot so that you can here them better. I in no way meant to say that somebody should leave the loot. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:58:04 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. just move towards it and take whatever is in there. the sound will stop and you have more ammo or other items. if it is something you don't need, donate them and get reputation points. If you move away from the sound, i will thank you and happily go in there and help myself. but don't complain that there isn't enough ammo or health kit anymore. 锦发/Steady Goh - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. That's a second from me, just move away from them if they're to noisy for you. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:30:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] swamp: minor nit to pick
Whoops! Nice catch Christopher. I had changed those amounts and prices for shotgun shells but forgot to update the messages. In the get and donate items lists, 12 shotgun shells are listed for 30 and I think 15 rep respectively. However if you pay attention to your rep the cost and gain appear to be 24 and 12. Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose your axe. Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many experience on death. Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be nice. Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events
Everyone, We'd like to welcome you all to the year-end celebration at Alter Aeon! Starting on the 21st of December and going through new years eve, we plan to have a number of things going on: - The release of a new low level area near Indira As part of our ongoing efforts to give level 8-12 players more quests and areas to explore, we'll be opening a brand new area north of the Old Indira Forest on the island of Kordan. - A major update to the troll caves on Archais Originally created over 15 years ago, the troll caves were recently taken offline and given a major makeover. We'll be officially opening the updated area, which should now be suitable for levels 24-30. - The release of a new high level stone giant area west of Finspang This area, created by the original builder of the Undead City of Jo'Kerin, shows a different side of stone giants. If you're only familiar with the giants that reside in the Ash Mountains, you'll be surprised. - An object creation contest, open to everyone (this is currently running and submissions will close on Dec 23rd) - Daily gifts will be given out to everyone who logs in! - Several different minor contests and activities similar to the famous Halloween Pumpkin Cannon We'll also be running sales on various credit purchases in game if you're into that sort of thing. I'll mail out a more detailed schedule closer to the 21st. We hope to see you there! Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] swamp suggestion- specialization?
Though these would still be the same as they are now with the other weapons, or are you thinking they should have a disadvantage with weapons that they're not specialized with? Personally, while I like the idea, I don't feel it practical to have a disadvantage, as you may not be able to get your hands on your weapon of choice for a long time, or may not have ammo for it. This goes particularly for the minigun. - Original Message - From: Johnny Tai johnnyti...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:21:22 -0800 Subject: [Audyssey] swamp suggestion- specialization? The current problem as I see it is, you can play a character up to lev10, start over, and do a second character up to lev10- and both will end up exact copies of each other. What if when we create a character, we get to choose what jobs/specialty we have: here's a few thoughts for example: combat medic: heals more with each heal and has a longer range when healing. civilian: more damage when using an axe. Police: more damage when using a pistol. gangster: more damage using shotgun. hunter: more damage with hunting rifle- or hunching rifle lol. army: more damage with mp5 marine: more damage with assault rifle swat: more damage with auto shotgun sniper: well this is obvious. woodsman: more damage with chainsaw machinegunner: more damage with m60 heavy weapon specialist: more damage with minigun- also runs a bit faster using minigun. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
Then don't give it to people, my thought was that the giving system would be to give some ammo to that guy with the sniper who just ran out, or to give the guy with a hunting rifle and no 5.56 ammo enough to get back to the safe zone, not to just give them 1000 shots of everything. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:29:27 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't quite like the idea of being able to give stuffs to people. I have more than 2 rep points and can easily use that to make 10 people strong, but it will spoil their gaming experience. and without going through the initial difficult stage of getting themselves up and master the skills, no matter how much they have, they will be killed and back to square1. �뵧�룕/Steady Goh - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't think we should know what's in there. A much better, although perhaps overstated, solution to the friends trouble is to just enable giving stuff to people. That way if you're like my friend who has over 1200 7.62 and over 2000 other ammo, he could share his wealth rather than only getting himself rep points he'll never really need because he hasn't bought anything at all from the safe zone for his entire playthrough of the game. Plus, giving stuff makes the game more cooperative. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/12/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: When I say move away, I mean to back up and make the zombies leave the loot so that you can here them better. I in no way meant to say that somebody should leave the loot. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:58:04 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
Then don't give it to people, my thought was that the giving system would be to give some ammo to that guy with the sniper who just ran out, or to give the guy with a hunting rifle and no 5.56 ammo enough to get back to the safe zone, not to just give them 1000 shots of everything. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:29:27 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't quite like the idea of being able to give stuffs to people. I have more than 2 rep points and can easily use that to make 10 people strong, but it will spoil their gaming experience. and without going through the initial difficult stage of getting themselves up and master the skills, no matter how much they have, they will be killed and back to square1. �뵧�룕/Steady Goh - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't think we should know what's in there. A much better, although perhaps overstated, solution to the friends trouble is to just enable giving stuff to people. That way if you're like my friend who has over 1200 7.62 and over 2000 other ammo, he could share his wealth rather than only getting himself rep points he'll never really need because he hasn't bought anything at all from the safe zone for his entire playthrough of the game. Plus, giving stuff makes the game more cooperative. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/12/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: When I say move away, I mean to back up and make the zombies leave the loot so that you can here them better. I in no way meant to say that somebody should leave the loot. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:58:04 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
Then don't give it to people, my thought was that the giving system would be to give some ammo to that guy with the sniper who just ran out, or to give the guy with a hunting rifle and no 5.56 ammo enough to get back to the safe zone, not to just give them 1000 shots of everything. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:29:27 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't quite like the idea of being able to give stuffs to people. I have more than 2 rep points and can easily use that to make 10 people strong, but it will spoil their gaming experience. and without going through the initial difficult stage of getting themselves up and master the skills, no matter how much they have, they will be killed and back to square1. �뵧�룕/Steady Goh - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I don't think we should know what's in there. A much better, although perhaps overstated, solution to the friends trouble is to just enable giving stuff to people. That way if you're like my friend who has over 1200 7.62 and over 2000 other ammo, he could share his wealth rather than only getting himself rep points he'll never really need because he hasn't bought anything at all from the safe zone for his entire playthrough of the game. Plus, giving stuff makes the game more cooperative. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/12/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: When I say move away, I mean to back up and make the zombies leave the loot so that you can here them better. I in no way meant to say that somebody should leave the loot. - Original Message - From: Steady Goh stea...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:58:04 +0800 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Just as an FYI, the progress bar is actually your position in the audio file. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:42:14 +1300 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf I like bits and pieces of win7 menus. 1. the search box. I never need to interact with the menu again. run, yes I can type music, downloads or whatever a registered program and up it come. I like the office ribbon, everything is tidier, though it will be another learning curve. What I really hate now are those program that want to use custom controls oh and the fact that some programes explorer, ie, and a few command line progs work differently or display to much info. Sound recorder is also quite bad, some sort of progress bar is always doing bad things. At 12:23 p.m. 12/12/2011 +, you wrote: Hi Tom. My problem with the start menue generally in 7, and indeed most of the interface, is that it all works contextually. For the past 12 or so years, I've learnt my way around the insides of windows by looking at what things are where, and putting things in places that I can easily find myself again. For instance, my documents I've always used for documents, and for music have a music folder instead. The idea of having music insides the documents folder is less than logical to me. I then have start menue icons grouped by use and developer. I have one folder for audio games, with sub folders for gma, usa games, spoonbill etc, one for text games with if interpreters and the like, one for freeware graphical games, one for generally useful programs such as avg etc. This way I can A, find stuff more easily, but also know exactly what I've got just as easily as if I were to read the braille lables on my snes cartridges. This is why i don't like the context sensative stuff, especially sinse it's usually based on last used. if I get a hankering to play shades of doom, it doesn't matter if I've not played it for a while, indeed say I've finished playing q9, I don't want that on the top of the menue. i suppose I just like being in personal control of where things are rather than leaving it to a computer filing system which might not be as I like it, much less be reliant upon a search box and auto complete features. As it turns out, you can create folders in the start menue of windows 7, so I'll probably just try and get as close to my current setup as humanly possible. it's not really a case of liking the xp interface, for me, it's more a case of liking an interface that I can have some measure of control over. In windows 7, that control is reduced, hence my dislike for the system, indeed I'm not looking forward to having to cope with windows explorer in 7 at all, sinse once again that has far more options than I need. Again, this seems a case where microsoft have unilaterally decided what is best for everyone to have without any considderation that people may want something different. Beware the grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
All I can say to that is, do you write any code? Even being a beginning programmer, I can tell you that succh a program is almost if not entirely impossible to right, just due to the massive amount of subtle differences between programming languages. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:07:11 +1300 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Yeah its all about cash. If only there was some sort of converter to convert things to what they need to be at, ie vb6 to vb.net, etc. That would make it much easier and there probably is, we just have to look for it. Or make it, it doesn't look like it would be that hard to do. At 03:40 p.m. 12/12/2011 +0200, you wrote: Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what drives the changes to the user interfaces. They tell their customers see it looks different, so it is new where as most of the code is reused over windows versions. I agree with those who said that for innovation to happen we need change, but change does not always indicate something better. On 12/12/11, Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com wrote: actually, the better codes, = better gaming possibilities. so yes, it makes a different. dallas On 12/12/2011 23:13, dark wrote: Frankly dallas where games are concerned, I couldn't give a monkies how good the newer codes are. As I said, I don't really care about how powerful or anything else a system is, I care about what I can do with it. That's why i stil have a snes, sinse I can play all the game i rather like on it, despite it being no where near up to the standard of todays games' consoles. As I said, I just would like microsoft to acknolidge this, perhaps with a compatibility pack option that could be downloaded for those who needed it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: enes enes.sari...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. Full many a race is lost Ere even a race is run, And many a coward fails Ere even his work's begun. Think big, and your deeds will grow, Think small and you fall behind, Think that you can, and you will; It's all in the state of mind. If you think you are outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise; You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
I agree with everything save your last point, when your fighting zombies, and you get a new weapon, that ammo really helps. Also, having a loaded weapon from the field gives people an insentive to actually go loot hunting. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:10:24 -0500 Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose your axe. Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many experience on death. Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be nice. Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] more SC vids!
Hey thanks for these, had not found them myself yet. I agree this is gonna be great cannot wait for this one to come out. Game on. Tom On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Clement Chou wrote: Dang it, Namco needs to put up a demo. Sounds are awesome, music is above amazing, and the gameplay looks great from what I've read and heard! Two videos, almost 20 minutes of footage! Enjoy... discussion welcome as always. I just love, and I mean love, this audio. I think the sword slashes themselves could be slightly better, but I like the ones they have now. Jst me being picky. Haha Hilde vs. Viola: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKezB9m2wQ Lexia vs. Zwei: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUF-5AFmUlU Lexia is the daughter of Xianghua from the previous games, and her name is pronounced lee shia. At least, if my guess is correct. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events
All hale Dentin! How you manage to do all this and make a new class and keep up with life I have absolutely no idea. Keep it up! As far as the object creation contest goes, can you explain this a little more, or should I just check the boards when I get back home? - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:15:01 -0500 Subject: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events Everyone, We'd like to welcome you all to the year-end celebration at Alter Aeon! Starting on the 21st of December and going through new years eve, we plan to have a number of things going on: - The release of a new low level area near Indira As part of our ongoing efforts to give level 8-12 players more quests and areas to explore, we'll be opening a brand new area north of the Old Indira Forest on the island of Kordan. - A major update to the troll caves on Archais Originally created over 15 years ago, the troll caves were recently taken offline and given a major makeover. We'll be officially opening the updated area, which should now be suitable for levels 24-30. - The release of a new high level stone giant area west of Finspang This area, created by the original builder of the Undead City of Jo'Kerin, shows a different side of stone giants. If you're only familiar with the giants that reside in the Ash Mountains, you'll be surprised. - An object creation contest, open to everyone (this is currently running and submissions will close on Dec 23rd) - Daily gifts will be given out to everyone who logs in! - Several different minor contests and activities similar to the famous Halloween Pumpkin Cannon We'll also be running sales on various credit purchases in game if you're into that sort of thing. I'll mail out a more detailed schedule closer to the 21st. We hope to see you there! Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit more soul calibur info
Indeed this is good information. I am assuming that this stuff applies only to SC4 and perhaps SC5? Game on. Tom On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Clement Chou wrote: No vids this time, just some facts that some people may not have about the gameplay system. The three biggest things to point out are probably, the just guard, brave edge, and critical edge. Just guard is basically a perry maneuver. When you tap the guard button and let it go, you'll have a few frames during which if an opponent hits you with an attack, you will automatically perry their attack and will be able to punish them while they're recoverying. Brave edge is basically a powered up version of a normal move. If you compare the SF games with this, the SF games have special and ex-specials. In SC, you don't really have special moves... instead you have a series of normal attacks that can be increased in power and have certain properties. A critical edge is the SC equivalent to a super move. The command for the critical edge is the same for everyone, but unlike 2d games you can't just throw them out and hope they connect... you have to combo into them. Because if you perform one and miss, you're in big, big trouble. Aside from these three things, the rest of the gameplay is more or less the same, just without the critical finisher, and the speed is faster. Hope this little snippet was somewhat informative! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Silversword is finally here!
Hey, All. The rpg for the IOS devices is finally release in the apple app store. The name of the game is Silversword. And before I give a description on the game I would like to share some great news about the developer. Mario the developer of Silversword added accessibility for the blind in the game and said that if myself or any other blind gamer find any issues with accessibility in the game and how to improve the game for the blind people who play the game to contact him to let him know. He also said that if anyone I have any ideas for the game to please let him know. Since I have heard about the game I have been in contact with him about accessibility for the blind and amazing enough he took interest in accessibility for the blind gamers. Here is Mario the developer of Silversword contact email: i...@silversword-rpg.com And now here is the app store description of Silversword which cost five dollars. Silversword is a mobile fantasy role-playing game which will take you to the mysterious lands of Tarnak, a world far beyond reality. Gather a band of brave heroes and face the evil that is about to destroy mankind. Silversword is a game in the style of The Bards Tale, Wizardry and Might Magic - enjoy memories of old with new devices. Main Features: - 7 races to choose from, each with it's own special abilities - 11 classes, each with it's own skills, virtues and flaws - over 400 unique items - 5 different magic runes to augment and enhance your items - over 90 spells, songs and prayers - over 100 unique monsters - over 30 different maps with different styles (dungeon, overland, swamp, city etc.) - guilds, shops, taverns, training halls, temples and many more interesting places to be - integrated automap + quest log - day / night cycle with different effects on your magic and the surroundings - fast travelling services - countless hours of interesting gameplay - Game Center support with interesting and challenging achievements - universal app, no need to push the 2x button on your iPad -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
hi, i'm not talking about accessibility i'm talking about quality so i'll be switching from a higher quality product to a lower quality product just because of accessibility -- From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: enes enes.sari...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
The first age battles would be the most difficult to attempt because they're between melcor aka morgoth, his balrogs vs the valar. To reduce beings of such power to meer units is well a bit weird to me lol. The wars between Beleriand and angband could be interesting to do. Concentrating on the Silmaril wars. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 13 December 2011 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Well Chris, the second age might be rather difficult, being as we don't know much about the actual battles of that time. Indeed, that's the period often referd to as the dark years in Lotr and other material. Even the last alliance betwene Gondor and the elve of Gilgalad was at the start of the third age, though certainly constructing campeigns for those battles would be good. it'd also be fun to have the first age, though how to represent in power some of the people who were around at that time would be difficult, heck it took several thousand orcs just to bring Hurin down, and never mind the war of wrath. i'll be interested to see how flexible the game turns out to be. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info It's been my ambition to construct a set of campaigns for LotR. With what's coming, I think it will now be possible to really bring the War of the Ring, not only from Gondor and Rohan, but the war in the north into being. I think it should also be possible to create campaigns for the First and Second age battles. The only remaining limitation that I see as a major problem is map size. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:47 PM To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Very well said, che, as always. Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Che Sent: 12 December 2011 20:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info yeah, TOC is already amazing as is, with more coming. It is going to not only be a great strategy game out of the box, but the best thing in my opinion is it is going to be a killer game construction kit for those willing to take the time. I've already created a couple of custom setups with unique units, and I think the community is going to go nuts with the potential to make star wars, MECH Warrior, LORD of the Rings, whatever they want given enough time and effort. Between TOC and SWAMP, looks like visual basic 6 is alive and kicking gang, its all in the skills, not the tools baby. later che On 12/12/2011 2:15 PM, pitermach wrote: Guess I'll need to dust off my toc skills and ask for a key replacement then... Wow. 2012 is looking to so totally be full of releases like PH, zero sight, and now this thing. On 12/12/2011 8:41 PM, dark wrote: Wow John. This is way more than I expected would be in the game, I knew he was making more units and multiplayer, but the other stuff is amazing! it sounds like time of conflict will end up as more than just a modern warfare sim, it'll end up as a platform for all sorts of sim games too, which would be fantastic! Great news indeed, and this certainly explains what happened with time of conflict and why we haven't seen the new release as yet. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4676 - Release Date: 12/12/11 -
[Audyssey] Zero Sight release date annouced!
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Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans foranupdatedLone Wolf
I'm not a user of avira, so I can't comment on how well or efficiently it works, but I would like to throw my support to MSE and Microsoft on this point. Beyond the already stated accessability, the quality is *much* better than mcafi, and I feel that it's more fluid than AVG. - Original Message - From: enes enes.sari...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:11:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans foranupdatedLone Wolf hi, i'm not talking about accessibility i'm talking about quality so i'll be switching from a higher quality product to a lower quality product just because of accessibility -- From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: enes enes.sari...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web,
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is finally here!
This looks very interesting. I will have to check it out when I get my Ipad. Thanks for the info. Game on. Tom On Dec 13, 2011, at 9:06 AM, michael barnes wrote: Hey, All. The rpg for the IOS devices is finally release in the apple app store. The name of the game is Silversword. And before I give a description on the game I would like to share some great news about the developer. Mario the developer of Silversword added accessibility for the blind in the game and said that if myself or any other blind gamer find any issues with accessibility in the game and how to improve the game for the blind people who play the game to contact him to let him know. He also said that if anyone I have any ideas for the game to please let him know. Since I have heard about the game I have been in contact with him about accessibility for the blind and amazing enough he took interest in accessibility for the blind gamers. Here is Mario the developer of Silversword contact email: i...@silversword-rpg.com And now here is the app store description of Silversword which cost five dollars. Silversword is a mobile fantasy role-playing game which will take you to the mysterious lands of Tarnak, a world far beyond reality. Gather a band of brave heroes and face the evil that is about to destroy mankind. Silversword is a game in the style of The Bards Tale, Wizardry and Might Magic - enjoy memories of old with new devices. Main Features: - 7 races to choose from, each with it's own special abilities - 11 classes, each with it's own skills, virtues and flaws - over 400 unique items - 5 different magic runes to augment and enhance your items - over 90 spells, songs and prayers - over 100 unique monsters - over 30 different maps with different styles (dungeon, overland, swamp, city etc.) - guilds, shops, taverns, training halls, temples and many more interesting places to be - integrated automap + quest log - day / night cycle with different effects on your magic and the surroundings - fast travelling services - countless hours of interesting gameplay - Game Center support with interesting and challenging achievements - universal app, no need to push the 2x button on your iPad -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
Also, I've heard many complaints of shortage of this ammo or that ammo. Say that you can't find any ammo for that machinegun you love to use- all you find is .45s, and now, I don't use a machinegun, I prefer my silenced pistol, so I keep running out on .45s yet I'm loaded down on machinegun ammo. Instead of trading it all selfishly for reps, I can trade my machinegun ammo for your .45s- everyone's happier that way. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is finally here!
Hello there, I have seen several messages on this list talking about games for the IPhone and the IPad... I am a bit out of the loop on this. Just how does a blind person use the IPhone and the IPad? Isn't that all touch screen technology? How do u learn where to touch? I am asking this as a relative is a store manager in an Apple store and I might be able to get a deal on an IPhone or IPad if I thought I could use it for gaming as I am hering up here. Are there any tutorials telling how to do this? thanks Robert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is finally here!
Hi you can use the iphone and i pad with voice over the screen reader that comes with the apple products. yes there are tutorials on how to use voice over. you can find them on blindcooltech.com hth. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Bob Montowski polis...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is finally here! Hello there, I have seen several messages on this list talking about games for the IPhone and the IPad... I am a bit out of the loop on this. Just how does a blind person use the IPhone and the IPad? Isn't that all touch screen technology? How do u learn where to touch? I am asking this as a relative is a store manager in an Apple store and I might be able to get a deal on an IPhone or IPad if I thought I could use it for gaming as I am hering up here. Are there any tutorials telling how to do this? thanks Robert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Actually Darren, Melkor's initial defeat by the valar was before the first age, sinse the first age began at the rising of the sun which was after Melkor had fled back to middle earth and stolen the silmarils. So when I said first age I was thinking exclusively of the battles betwene Melkor and the elves, noteably the those of the house of Faeanor and their allies to recover the Silmarils. Just as Melkor came up with new devices such as the dragons and the ability to use fire in battle, so they could correspond to the levels of the game, though it would be quite a task to turn several thousand years of war history into a set of Toc missions. Perhaps the war of wrath, when the valar came back to middle earth and did for Melkor could be put in at the end as a final bonus mission, where all your units are ultra powerful. We'll have to see though how the creation process in the game goes and whether it would for instance be possible to distinguish the various sorts of dragons and orcs. That's indeed one thing I really enjoy in the angband roguelike, they've got a really diverse mix of enemies for you to fight from middle earth all with different properties and attacks. Beware the grue! dArk. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info The first age battles would be the most difficult to attempt because they're between melcor aka morgoth, his balrogs vs the valar. To reduce beings of such power to meer units is well a bit weird to me lol. The wars between Beleriand and angband could be interesting to do. Concentrating on the Silmaril wars. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 13 December 2011 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Well Chris, the second age might be rather difficult, being as we don't know much about the actual battles of that time. Indeed, that's the period often referd to as the dark years in Lotr and other material. Even the last alliance betwene Gondor and the elve of Gilgalad was at the start of the third age, though certainly constructing campeigns for those battles would be good. it'd also be fun to have the first age, though how to represent in power some of the people who were around at that time would be difficult, heck it took several thousand orcs just to bring Hurin down, and never mind the war of wrath. i'll be interested to see how flexible the game turns out to be. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info It's been my ambition to construct a set of campaigns for LotR. With what's coming, I think it will now be possible to really bring the War of the Ring, not only from Gondor and Rohan, but the war in the north into being. I think it should also be possible to create campaigns for the First and Second age battles. The only remaining limitation that I see as a major problem is map size. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:47 PM To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Very well said, che, as always. Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Che Sent: 12 December 2011 20:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info yeah, TOC is already amazing as is, with more coming. It is going to not only be a great strategy game out of the box, but the best thing in my opinion is it is going to be a killer game construction kit for those willing to take the time. I've already created a couple of custom setups with unique units, and I think the community is going to go nuts with the potential to make star wars, MECH Warrior, LORD of the Rings, whatever they want given enough time and effort. Between TOC and SWAMP, looks like visual basic 6 is alive and kicking gang, its all in the skills, not the tools baby. later che On 12/12/2011 2:15 PM, pitermach wrote: Guess I'll need to dust off my toc skills and ask for a key replacement then... Wow. 2012 is looking to so totally be full of releases like PH, zero sight, and now this thing. On 12/12/2011 8:41 PM, dark wrote: Wow John. This is way more than I expected would be in the game, I knew he was making more units and multiplayer, but the other stuff is amazing! it sounds like time of conflict will end up as more than just a modern warfare sim, it'll end up as a platform for all sorts of sim
[Audyssey] Iphone using voice over was Silversword is finally here!
Hi Bob, For the past three years there has been a built in screen reader for iPhones and iPads. I list some of the sites that talk about this plus a list of accessible games at, http://www.pcsgames.net/iPhoneGames.htm - Original Message - From: Bob Montowski polis...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword is finally here! Hello there, I have seen several messages on this list talking about games for the IPhone and the IPad... I am a bit out of the loop on this. Just how does a blind person use the IPhone and the IPad? Isn't that all touch screen technology? How do u learn where to touch? I am asking this as a relative is a store manager in an Apple store and I might be able to get a deal on an IPhone or IPad if I thought I could use it for gaming as I am hering up here. Are there any tutorials telling how to do this? thanks Robert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Lol yes I forgot about that detail, I haven't read the middle earth books in a while must be a little rusty lol. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 13 December 2011 18:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Actually Darren, Melkor's initial defeat by the valar was before the first age, sinse the first age began at the rising of the sun which was after Melkor had fled back to middle earth and stolen the silmarils. So when I said first age I was thinking exclusively of the battles betwene Melkor and the elves, noteably the those of the house of Faeanor and their allies to recover the Silmarils. Just as Melkor came up with new devices such as the dragons and the ability to use fire in battle, so they could correspond to the levels of the game, though it would be quite a task to turn several thousand years of war history into a set of Toc missions. Perhaps the war of wrath, when the valar came back to middle earth and did for Melkor could be put in at the end as a final bonus mission, where all your units are ultra powerful. We'll have to see though how the creation process in the game goes and whether it would for instance be possible to distinguish the various sorts of dragons and orcs. That's indeed one thing I really enjoy in the angband roguelike, they've got a really diverse mix of enemies for you to fight from middle earth all with different properties and attacks. Beware the grue! dArk. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info The first age battles would be the most difficult to attempt because they're between melcor aka morgoth, his balrogs vs the valar. To reduce beings of such power to meer units is well a bit weird to me lol. The wars between Beleriand and angband could be interesting to do. Concentrating on the Silmaril wars. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 13 December 2011 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Well Chris, the second age might be rather difficult, being as we don't know much about the actual battles of that time. Indeed, that's the period often referd to as the dark years in Lotr and other material. Even the last alliance betwene Gondor and the elve of Gilgalad was at the start of the third age, though certainly constructing campeigns for those battles would be good. it'd also be fun to have the first age, though how to represent in power some of the people who were around at that time would be difficult, heck it took several thousand orcs just to bring Hurin down, and never mind the war of wrath. i'll be interested to see how flexible the game turns out to be. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info It's been my ambition to construct a set of campaigns for LotR. With what's coming, I think it will now be possible to really bring the War of the Ring, not only from Gondor and Rohan, but the war in the north into being. I think it should also be possible to create campaigns for the First and Second age battles. The only remaining limitation that I see as a major problem is map size. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:47 PM To: blindadrenal...@gmail.com; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Very well said, che, as always. Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Che Sent: 12 December 2011 20:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info yeah, TOC is already amazing as is, with more coming. It is going to not only be a great strategy game out of the box, but the best thing in my opinion is it is going to be a killer game construction kit for those willing to take the time. I've already created a couple of custom setups with unique units, and I think the community is going to go nuts with the potential to make star wars, MECH Warrior, LORD of the Rings, whatever they want given enough time and effort. Between TOC and SWAMP, looks like visual basic 6 is alive and kicking gang, its all in the skills, not the tools baby. later che On 12/12/2011 2:15 PM, pitermach wrote: Guess I'll need to dust off my toc skills and ask for a key replacement then... Wow. 2012 is
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events
John, Sometimes I don't know how to manage it either :) It's probably easiest to check the in-game boards, you can either 'board set 8' and then read shadowfax's post, or here's a direct link to it on the web: http://alteraeon.com:8080/board/8/da79565ae18bfd3a4e79b31d5ff02261 Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: All hale Dentin! How you manage to do all this and make a new class and keep up with life I have absolutely no idea. Keep it up! As far as the object creation contest goes, can you explain this a little more, or should I just check the boards when I get back home? - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:15:01 -0500 Subject: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events Everyone, We'd like to welcome you all to the year-end celebration at Alter Aeon! Starting on the 21st of December and going through new years eve, we plan to have a number of things going on: - The release of a new low level area near Indira As part of our ongoing efforts to give level 8-12 players more quests and areas to explore, we'll be opening a brand new area north of the Old Indira Forest on the island of Kordan. - A major update to the troll caves on Archais Originally created over 15 years ago, the troll caves were recently taken offline and given a major makeover. We'll be officially opening the updated area, which should now be suitable for levels 24-30. - The release of a new high level stone giant area west of Finspang This area, created by the original builder of the Undead City of Jo'Kerin, shows a different side of stone giants. If you're only familiar with the giants that reside in the Ash Mountains, you'll be surprised. - An object creation contest, open to everyone (this is currently running and submissions will close on Dec 23rd) - Daily gifts will be given out to everyone who logs in! - Several different minor contests and activities similar to the famous Halloween Pumpkin Cannon We'll also be running sales on various credit purchases in game if you're into that sort of thing. I'll mail out a more detailed schedule closer to the 21st. We hope to see you there! Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events
Thank you so much for that link! I personally find the boards rather confusing, so that was a big help. I'm going to type out my idea on my notetaker now, and send it as soon as I get back. Once again, you rule! - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:24:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events John, Sometimes I don't know how to manage it either :) It's probably easiest to check the in-game boards, you can either 'board set 8' and then read shadowfax's post, or here's a direct link to it on the web: http://alteraeon.com:8080/board/8/da79565ae18bfd3a4e79b31d5ff0226 1 Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: All hale Dentin! How you manage to do all this and make a new class and keep up with life I have absolutely no idea. Keep it up! As far as the object creation contest goes, can you explain this a little more, or should I just check the boards when I get back home? - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:15:01 -0500 Subject: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events Everyone, We'd like to welcome you all to the year-end celebration at Alter Aeon! Starting on the 21st of December and going through new years eve, we plan to have a number of things going on: - The release of a new low level area near Indira As part of our ongoing efforts to give level 8-12 players more quests and areas to explore, we'll be opening a brand new area north of the Old Indira Forest on the island of Kordan. - A major update to the troll caves on Archais Originally created over 15 years ago, the troll caves were recently taken offline and given a major makeover. 쟙e'll be officially opening the updated area, which should now be suitable for levels 24-30. - The release of a new high level stone giant area west of Finspang This area, created by the original builder of the Undead City of Jo'Kerin, shows a different side of stone giants. 쟅f you're only familiar with the giants that reside in the Ash Mountains, you'll be surprised. - An object creation contest, open to everyone (this is currently running and submissions will close on Dec 23rd) - Daily gifts will be given out to everyone who logs in! - Several different minor contests and activities similar to the famous Halloween Pumpkin Cannon We'll also be running sales on various credit purchases in game if you're into that sort of thing. I'll mail out a more detailed schedule closer to the 21st. 쟙e hope to see you there! Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind.
where can we get info on zombies run On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Darren Duff wrote: Yes shawn. Have a listen to the 2 podcasts I posted yesterday. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:14 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind. you mean something with the wie or the cinect units on xbox. I guess if in some of the sports games menus, messages and instructions were spoken we would be able to play them. But a game where you would have to physically interact would rock. The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is the ios units. At 09:37 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hey, All. I was wondering what augmented games out there that are accessible for the blind? You may ask what is a augmented game well here is what it is. Games like Dimensions adventures in the multiverse, Inception, and of course the new game that will be out soon Zombies run. These games are basically to me virtual audio games because they require the player to actually interact with the game like do things as talk run walk and other type of things to be able to unlock things in the game. The other thing the game require you to do is to fully be involve with the game just like if you was really in the game. If someone could point me in the direction to find more games just like the ones I name that would be awsome. I am looking for games that are on the IOS device. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6705 (20111212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind.
Kick start I think. Do a google search. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind. where can we get info on zombies run On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Darren Duff wrote: Yes shawn. Have a listen to the 2 podcasts I posted yesterday. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:14 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Augmented gaming for the blind. you mean something with the wie or the cinect units on xbox. I guess if in some of the sports games menus, messages and instructions were spoken we would be able to play them. But a game where you would have to physically interact would rock. The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is the ios units. At 09:37 a.m. 12/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hey, All. I was wondering what augmented games out there that are accessible for the blind? You may ask what is a augmented game well here is what it is. Games like Dimensions adventures in the multiverse, Inception, and of course the new game that will be out soon Zombies run. These games are basically to me virtual audio games because they require the player to actually interact with the game like do things as talk run walk and other type of things to be able to unlock things in the game. The other thing the game require you to do is to fully be involve with the game just like if you was really in the game. If someone could point me in the direction to find more games just like the ones I name that would be awsome. I am looking for games that are on the IOS device. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6705 (20111212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6707 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
[Audyssey] Silversword question
Hi, I just tried the Silversword game. It seems to be fairly accessible, but I can't read the manual. When I click on settings and then on help I only get a blank screen with three buttons. One of these buttons is for printing the manual and I don't really understand what the other two should do, but no matter which button I click I can't find any text there. Any help is appreciated, this actually looks like a great game, but I have to get some help on it first. :-) Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Bologna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
i don't understand why it seems harder to you? seems to me, everything is becoming much better. dallas On 14/12/2011 01:23, enes wrote: hi, I totally agree new apps are getting increasingly harder to use I got this laptop a year ago 2 years later this pc will be obsolete -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:49 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Bologna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLoneWolf Hardly. There are quite a few who agree. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett themusicalbre...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Bologna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf And certainly, yours is the only set of needs that matter. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. Full many a race is lost Ere even a race is run, And many a coward fails Ere even his work's begun. Think big, and your deeds will grow, Think small and you fall behind, Think that you can, and you will; It's all in the state of mind. If you think you are outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise; You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever win a prize. Life's battle doesn't always go To the stronger or faster man; But sooner or later, the man who wins Is the fellow who thinks he can. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] [audyssey] swamp-chainsaw suggestion
as far as my research gos, and from info from a military guy i know, no they didn't. dallas On 14/12/2011 01:50, Dakotah Rickard wrote: Actually, they did make .45 ACP mp5's. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 12/13/11, Jeremy Kaldobskyjer...@kaldobsky.com wrote: We honor the brave mp5. It was willing to sacrifice it's reality for the enjoyment of everyone. For that, we salute you Mister mp5! *Aprone salutes* :) one thing i would also like to point out, is that the mp5, does not use 45 ammo. it uses 9 mill. put an 11.5 mill round in an mp5, and it would jam / explode. thats if you could even squeeze one of that size in. all the other weapons are corect in the ammo types, just not the mp5. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
but then, as it is, your able to carry all of the kinds of weapons. so in actual fact, in real life, you wouldn't be able to move, cause you couldn't possibly carry around an m60, a volcan, sniper, hunting, and all the others. not possible. so as it is, i think you have enough weapons. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:10, Dakotah Rickard wrote: Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose your axe. Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many experience on death. Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be nice. Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
nice! and this sounds very good. might i also point out, it may, at some point, be a good idea to bring in the idea of wait capasity? as at the moment, i could bring in every weapon i can? and if i did that, i would need to be attached to a trailer, and dragged behind a tank? ahahah so, for example, you would have to decide, ok, i want my axe, my pistol, and an mp5, pluss the ammo to go with it. and this would make it very hard to, as your ammo supply would be limited to. not this hole thing of carrying 2000 rounds. that, would way loads! so you would have to pick and choose what to take out in the field. perhaps, this is where having a locker or something back at the safehouse for your char would come in. or perhaps make selling and buy cost the same, or close to. so for example, selling a hunting rifle might get you 200 rep, and to buy it back, you might have to pay something like 220 or something. just trying to come up with ways to make it more realistic. and this would make you decide on what you want to carry out with you. and if you make a mistake and can't take down the enamy as well as you could have? ... well, you know better for next time. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:24, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
uh, where did you get the idea its worse? in fact, it actually beets a lot of them when it comes to that. which is kinda surprising. but there you go. dallas On 14/12/2011 03:11, enes wrote: hi, i'm not talking about accessibility i'm talking about quality so i'll be switching from a higher quality product to a lower quality product just because of accessibility -- From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: enes enes.sari...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare
Re: [Audyssey] Zero Sight release date annouced!
nice one! looking forward to beeing in the air! dallas On 14/12/2011 03:16, Mario wrote: Go here and listen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeTyMH-a5yg --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
Hi Trouble, Yeah the only really good thing about dos text games was that the text got spoken automatically by every single dos screen reader. Of course now people like Jeremy are coding directly to the API of all of the windows screen readers. I never figured out how to do that, so only code to the sapi5 speech engine. But it sure made all the difference in the world when windows gave me DirectX so that my games could asynchronously play wave files, multiple wave files, pan the wave files and adjust the volume and frequency of the wave files. So yes, probably most of the change is good, some is not so much though. At least in my opinion. But I do still like to do allot of things the old fashion way. Like I have made a short cut icon on the desk top for the programs that I run all the time. One of those short cuts is just to the command prompt. I spend allot of time at the command prompt. And I have written many batch files for doing things like changing to folders that I go into all the time. And batch files for listing folders in the old dos 8, 3, size and date format. And the same format but by size or date. And then my command prompt beeps to let me know when it is done so that I can start looking at the listing bottom up with the review cursor. You know just like I used to on a dos computer. Batch files are great for making backups as well. I just find allot of things are still easier or quicker to do at the command prompt than they are in the windows interface. BFN Jim The command prompt is our friend. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
But we aren't talking about real life, or a simulation! We are talking about a game. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports but then, as it is, your able to carry all of the kinds of weapons. so in actual fact, in real life, you wouldn't be able to move, cause you couldn't possibly carry around an m60, a volcan, sniper, hunting, and all the others. not possible. so as it is, i think you have enough weapons. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:10, Dakotah Rickard wrote: Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose your axe. Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many experience on death. Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be nice. Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hey, Sara. The only help that I can give is to please contact the developer and tell him about the accessibility issue you are having so he can fix that. Here is his email i...@silversword-rpg.com His name is Mario. If you see anything else that needs some accessibility fixes let him know. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Well Darren, it's been a while sinse I read them myself, which is why I'm currently rereading them at the moment. I've finished the hobbit and am just at the start of return of the king, and will read the Silmarillion afterwards, so my mind is rather on middle earth anyway :D. I freely admit though I'm a bit of a tolkien obsessive, I even have a copy of The Ring completely with engraving in the black speech of Mordor that I wear, and no, this isn't one of the merchandizing ones made for the films, it's actually a wedding ring we got specially engraved several years before the first Peter Jaxon film. it was our birthday! pressent! my precious! :D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
I believe a real minigun alone- the portable one, weighs about 90 LBs all on its lonesome heh- alot of weight even for a strong man. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Interface or difficulty
I've just finished Mega man x 2 for the Snes (though I played it on the mega man x collection for my gamecube). this was the first ever mega man game I played and the one that got me into the series. my skills were a litle rusty, and even with most of the hidden items in the game i stil! had trouble with several bosses, indeed I spent half an hour just! on the final battles against Sigma's various forms. One interesting thought occurred to me though. in the Mega man x series, a gameplay addition were sub tanks. These are refillable stores of energy you keep in your inventory. Rather than being medkits, they are literally like an extra fuel tank. When you collect energy refill items from monsters and your already at full energy, that energy goes into your subtank until it is ful, indeed there are a maximum of four to collect, and once ful will refill your energy back up when you use them from your inventory screen. The kicker however is these subtanks (unlike the similar energy tanks in the Metroid series)are not used automatically. If your energy gets to zero you will die no matter how many ful subtanks you have left. Thus, throughout those boss fights you need to keep track of your energy carefully, and judge when is best to use them. This is a contributing factor to the difficulty of the game. Certainly if Capcom had wanted the subtanks to automatically kick in when your initial energy ran out, as is the case in metroid, they'd have made the game that way, however as anyone who has played any of the mega man games will know, keeping track of your resources and weaponry is as much part of the game as the platforming. What occurred to me however, was that if this was done in an audio game, the first comment we would get is why aren't they used automatically? and yet, people stil wish for complex and difficult games, with different weapons and amo to keep track of and the like. My point is, when thinking about mechanics in games, the easy or most convenient way may not always be the one that is most fun. this might be true of saving, auto item management and various other mechanics. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
Well how is this for quality. Most of the paid virus stuff is hardly accessible and feed back to help make it is non existent, and at least MSE don't state a system file is a virus like those others do. Some times when something is free. That don't mean is junk. I have seen more junk cost a lot and still be junk. At 12:11 PM 12/13/2011, you wrote: hi, i'm not talking about accessibility i'm talking about quality so i'll be switching from a higher quality product to a lower quality product just because of accessibility -- From: john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: enes enes.sari...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Lol now you didn't say I do in his voice now did you? lol! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 13 December 2011 21:50 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Well Darren, it's been a while sinse I read them myself, which is why I'm currently rereading them at the moment. I've finished the hobbit and am just at the start of return of the king, and will read the Silmarillion afterwards, so my mind is rather on middle earth anyway :D. I freely admit though I'm a bit of a tolkien obsessive, I even have a copy of The Ring completely with engraving in the black speech of Mordor that I wear, and no, this isn't one of the merchandizing ones made for the films, it's actually a wedding ring we got specially engraved several years before the first Peter Jaxon film. it was our birthday! pressent! my precious! :D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Isn't that kind of like playing the Eagles Best of my Love at a wedding? One wife to rule them all. . . -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:50 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info I freely admit though I'm a bit of a tolkien obsessive, I even have a copy of The Ring completely with engraving in the black speech of Mordor that I wear, and no, this isn't one of the merchandizing ones made for the films, it's actually a wedding ring we got specially engraved several years before the first Peter Jaxon film. it was our birthday! pressent! my precious! :D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
I think this is one of those realism vs. playability concerns. Jeremy initially implemented health-based movement modifiers, and while that's great for realism, it wasn't very good for practicality and playability's sake; it basically meant you were doomed to die once you were injurred. I think introducing these weight limitations would make the game too cumbersome in some regards. True it's not realistic, but it definitely makes the game a lot more enjoyable and playable. Kai - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. nice! and this sounds very good. might i also point out, it may, at some point, be a good idea to bring in the idea of wait capasity? as at the moment, i could bring in every weapon i can? and if i did that, i would need to be attached to a trailer, and dragged behind a tank? ahahah so, for example, you would have to decide, ok, i want my axe, my pistol, and an mp5, pluss the ammo to go with it. and this would make it very hard to, as your ammo supply would be limited to. not this hole thing of carrying 2000 rounds. that, would way loads! so you would have to pick and choose what to take out in the field. perhaps, this is where having a locker or something back at the safehouse for your char would come in. or perhaps make selling and buy cost the same, or close to. so for example, selling a hunting rifle might get you 200 rep, and to buy it back, you might have to pay something like 220 or something. just trying to come up with ways to make it more realistic. and this would make you decide on what you want to carry out with you. and if you make a mistake and can't take down the enamy as well as you could have? ... well, you know better for next time. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:24, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
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Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
i think i'll do the same, as i think the game looks brilliant, however i have no idea what i'm supposed to do. On 12/13/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Sara. The only help that I can give is to please contact the developer and tell him about the accessibility issue you are having so he can fix that. Here is his email i...@silversword-rpg.com His name is Mario. If you see anything else that needs some accessibility fixes let him know. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
yes, and you will tend to find, most games out there try to keep things as real as possible. thats why i bring it up. dallas On 14/12/2011 07:24, Darren Duff wrote: But we aren't talking about real life, or a simulation! We are talking about a game. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports but then, as it is, your able to carry all of the kinds of weapons. so in actual fact, in real life, you wouldn't be able to move, cause you couldn't possibly carry around an m60, a volcan, sniper, hunting, and all the others. not possible. so as it is, i think you have enough weapons. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:10, Dakotah Rickard wrote: Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose your axe. Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many experience on death. Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be nice. Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
Re: [Audyssey] more SC vids!
this sounds fantastic, the announcer too sounds a lot better than in SC4. :D On 12/13/11, Tom Randall kf6...@comcast.net wrote: Hey thanks for these, had not found them myself yet. I agree this is gonna be great cannot wait for this one to come out. Game on. Tom On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Clement Chou wrote: Dang it, Namco needs to put up a demo. Sounds are awesome, music is above amazing, and the gameplay looks great from what I've read and heard! Two videos, almost 20 minutes of footage! Enjoy... discussion welcome as always. I just love, and I mean love, this audio. I think the sword slashes themselves could be slightly better, but I like the ones they have now. Jst me being picky. Haha Hilde vs. Viola: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKezB9m2wQ Lexia vs. Zwei: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUF-5AFmUlU Lexia is the daughter of Xianghua from the previous games, and her name is pronounced lee shia. At least, if my guess is correct. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
ahah yeah. something like that. and the m60 is basicly a gpmg, if you know what that is. so again, even a strong man struggles to carry that, and 200 rouns for it. dallas On 14/12/2011 07:52, Johnny Tai wrote: I believe a real minigun alone- the portable one, weighs about 90 LBs all on its lonesome heh- alot of weight even for a strong man. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
and even when they do change hardware requirement, its usually for the better, not worse. as has been said, 7 uses little more then xp, and 8 uses less then 7! dallas On 14/12/2011 08:28, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivardwee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
true. but its werth tossing out there to see what people think. dallas On 14/12/2011 08:40, Kai wrote: I think this is one of those realism vs. playability concerns. Jeremy initially implemented health-based movement modifiers, and while that's great for realism, it wasn't very good for practicality and playability's sake; it basically meant you were doomed to die once you were injurred. I think introducing these weight limitations would make the game too cumbersome in some regards. True it's not realistic, but it definitely makes the game a lot more enjoyable and playable. Kai - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. nice! and this sounds very good. might i also point out, it may, at some point, be a good idea to bring in the idea of wait capasity? as at the moment, i could bring in every weapon i can? and if i did that, i would need to be attached to a trailer, and dragged behind a tank? ahahah so, for example, you would have to decide, ok, i want my axe, my pistol, and an mp5, pluss the ammo to go with it. and this would make it very hard to, as your ammo supply would be limited to. not this hole thing of carrying 2000 rounds. that, would way loads! so you would have to pick and choose what to take out in the field. perhaps, this is where having a locker or something back at the safehouse for your char would come in. or perhaps make selling and buy cost the same, or close to. so for example, selling a hunting rifle might get you 200 rep, and to buy it back, you might have to pay something like 220 or something. just trying to come up with ways to make it more realistic. and this would make you decide on what you want to carry out with you. and if you make a mistake and can't take down the enamy as well as you could have? ... well, you know better for next time. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:24, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If
