Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Yeah I agree tom practicing it is evil but on the other thing playing is not really. In fact in earlier centuraries past magic was a coman practice of sorts or at least some stories say it was. Playing magic/ fighting games the old style is simply traveling back in time before the 20th century. ANd since most of us will never in reality experience parts of that time thats something us humans are interested in. Ofcause what was in that time etc was scued slightly from what was back in that time but now days unless you are a history nut it doesn't matter. Its a coman theme in any case. Dungeons were the basic part of interactive fiction anyway and for those that played those before its also a reminder of what we started with. I'd never be a cultest or even go out and stab people I guess unless I was really mad and even then I don't know if I would then go on to stab people all day long. At 03:30 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: Hi Dark, Well, I for one don't believe roll playing games like Dungeons and Dragons is evil in a religious sense, but I do know and understand where that system of beliefs comes from having been brought up in a Christian faith as a child. The basis of religious believers calling DD evil comes from a verse in Deuteronomy of not being partakers of witchcraft, magic, familiar spirits, etc. Basically, many Christians take that to mean that any participation in magic or the occult be it real or fantasy is forbidden and call fiction like Harry Potter or games like DD evil accordingly. Myself I strongly feel that view is taken out of context and there is a world of difference of actually practicing the occult and merely reading a story about it or playing a game. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
My uncle is like that. All magic is bad though I have a friend that plays at church dnd on the table top type and thats got magic in it. I have long given up arguing the toss. If my uncle is coming round the violent shooting and magic/ porn games are locked away and if open are quickly closed down before any damage is done. At 03:18 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 3:22 AM, dark wrote: @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
I agree josh I have it to lift some stress especially now because of all the upgrades on my house my place is full of noise and I really want to do something or go nuts even though I know that once its done it will rock. At 05:43 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: oh yeah and I think I'm buying psycho strike next month for sure! its fun! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:48 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Misconstrued is the least of it. In many cases the people who say Harry Potter or Dungeons and dragons are evil have never read the book or played the game to know firsthand what it is about and only form their opinion based on the word of mouth. They are frequently misinformed but have no problems telling you and everyone else how evil, Satanic, or ungodly this or that is when they don't have anything like firsthand knowledge of what they are talking about. Those that do tend to base their opinions on a specific verse in Deuteronomy that forbids them from practicing witchcraft, astrology, spiritualism, and a number of other occult subjects. In any case it is up to the person's own moral and ethical inclinations to play or not play such things. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
True as far as I know thebible hasn't had many updates since I am not sure because I don't read it but not much has changed since a time ago. At 03:42 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: yes and keep in mind the bible was written 2000 some years ago, christians didn't even have the bible as we know it until the early 400s. 405 AD or something like that. so when you read it, you have to keep in mind its historical context, that it is translated from other languages, and what phrases and stuff meant back then versus what they mean today. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:30 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Well, I for one don't believe roll playing games like Dungeons and Dragons is evil in a religious sense, but I do know and understand where that system of beliefs comes from having been brought up in a Christian faith as a child. The basis of religious believers calling DD evil comes from a verse in Deuteronomy of not being partakers of witchcraft, magic, familiar spirits, etc. Basically, many Christians take that to mean that any participation in magic or the occult be it real or fantasy is forbidden and call fiction like Harry Potter or games like DD evil accordingly. Myself I strongly feel that view is taken out of context and there is a world of difference of actually practicing the occult and merely reading a story about it or playing a game. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hmmm well my religious friend plays dnd all the time. Via the board game I have played it in dos heck its why I played entombed. On the other side there are actual education al games that encourage to do what it says and thats perfectly ok. I am not really into magic like harry potter and such doesn't mean I didn't read the entire series once and enjoy it for what it was though I mostly read universe crossovers being a scifi game nut always liked one universe versing another for whatever reason. Obviously these games have an age limit you should be allowed to play them. That doesn't help if an older brother leaves his clearly adult books or games unprotected and within reach of his 5 year old sister. Those laws only apply if you are buying if you have the stuff its your own problem. Not to mention online places where you have to put your age you can easily fake it and the list goes on. I have friends that enjoy hacking people to death, they would never do it in real life though. At 02:38 a.m. 1/05/2015, you wrote: There are a few games out there that have ben taken to life. Last year this one made national news. A 12 year old crawled out of the woods to the road stabbed over 15 times. When asked she stated her friends did it because they were playing a game and they had to do it. Now another popular game in college is Dd witch has ben band for causing deaths. its not funny when some people think what they see on TV or books become a force to kill and reality is fantasy and fantasy is reality. At 08:11 AM 4/30/2015, you wrote: I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
@Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Well Bryan on the one hand I actually can believe more readily someone might have committed crimes over tabletop games more than other forms of gaming. Tabletop rp games are after all a social activity done with other people and can promote strong emotions both positive and negative. However to claim that DD or any other rpg is to blaime for this sounds to me like claiming orchestral music is evil because people have killed or committed suicide in course of performing it, heck on that logic maybe we should ban all friendships, relationships and any human contact at all! :D. Btw interestingly enough when i was looking up the Slenderman on wikipedia in connection with the dragonaps game, I did read about a girl who committed an attempted murder apparently instructed by Lord Voldemort, The Ninja Turtles and Slenderman (now there is a weerd team up). However to say this girl was a few nouns short of a collective analogy would be an understatement. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Wow. LOL. I might also have said she was a few cans short of a six-pack or a few fries short of a Happy Meal. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Well Bryan on the one hand I actually can believe more readily someone might have committed crimes over tabletop games more than other forms of gaming. Tabletop rp games are after all a social activity done with other people and can promote strong emotions both positive and negative. However to claim that DD or any other rpg is to blaime for this sounds to me like claiming orchestral music is evil because people have killed or committed suicide in course of performing it, heck on that logic maybe we should ban all friendships, relationships and any human contact at all! :D. Btw interestingly enough when i was looking up the Slenderman on wikipedia in connection with the dragonaps game, I did read about a girl who committed an attempted murder apparently instructed by Lord Voldemort, The Ninja Turtles and Slenderman (now there is a weerd team up). However to say this girl was a few nouns short of a collective analogy would be an understatement. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
There are a few games out there that have ben taken to life. Last year this one made national news. A 12 year old crawled out of the woods to the road stabbed over 15 times. When asked she stated her friends did it because they were playing a game and they had to do it. Now another popular game in college is Dd witch has ben band for causing deaths. its not funny when some people think what they see on TV or books become a force to kill and reality is fantasy and fantasy is reality. At 08:11 AM 4/30/2015, you wrote: I have a close friend who shares that view. This is ironic because she loves Harry Potter and Alter Aeon. Her reasoning is because apparently there have occasionally been instances where people have killed or committed suicide over the game. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Well said. I would of course never kill someone for no reason in real life, nor would I rob a bank despite joking about doing so in moments of frustration. But it's cool to play a game that allows you to control a character who's your exact opposite in terms of what you would do in real life. And there is something enormously satisfying about smashing the bejesus out of a prison cell or bank vault door. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: Jody McKinniss Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:05 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I finally checked my email, so I saw the posts on this game and the debate on violent content, etc. So here's my opinion after playing it for some time. In the real world I am 36 years of age, and I am probably one of the most tenderhearted, nonviolent people you'll ever meet. I'm the guy who will give his last dollar to the homeless man in the doorway, or give him the shirt off my back. I am anti-death penalty, for several reasons. The thought of taking another human life is repugnant to me. I myself have been a victim of both domestic violence as well as criminal violence by a stranger. So in the real world, if someone were doing what the characters in this game are doing, then I'd be horrified. That being said, I love the game. I get the chance to play the complete opposite of who I am in the real world in a fictional one, with no reprisals, no consequences. How cool is that? I grew up with games like Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Double Dragon, etc. I've had GTA described to me, and there are parts of that game that are extremely graphic. I even tried out DD when I was younger, around 13 or so, despite all the people I've heard saying how evil that particular game is. But guess what? Despite my playing games with violent content in my younger years, I'm not a cold-bloodded killer, I don't fantasize about becoming some psycho serial killer, I don't have waking dreams of mass murdering everyone around me. So my opinion is that everyone should relax a little bit and give us credit for the brain that we have, that we can separate a fictional world from the real one. And let's give parents some credit as well, that they know their children and whether they can handle a game like this. Let's all just have fun with a game that gives us good guys a chance to be bad. There's a definite appeal to letting my hair down in an alternate world, to doing things in that world I know for certain I wouldn't do in the real one. Now, some suggestions for Aaron for future releases: Several things could be included to increase the storyline, to augment your goals. For example, we're a gang, right? Most gangs nowadays are usually into drugs, weapons, some way to make cash if they're not robbing banks. So perhaps give us a stage where we can sell weapons that we get from the guys we kill that we don't need. (I've got over 300 pistol cartridges that I will never use, over 100 knives, etc). It could be a pawn shop, or it could be that we're unknowingly selling weapons to another gang, which just might come back to haunt us, or even undercover ATF or FBI. Add a stage where we can sell drugs to people on the street, and add in undercover cops, local at first, then DEA and FBI once we reach a certain level, that try to thwart our efforts. To help neutralize that threat, we could have the ability to try to bribe some cops, get them on our payroll. Another thing you should include is rival gangs. We're causing all this mayhem, stacking up body counts and cash, and in the process we're taking the glory and attention away from the resident gangs of the city, and now they want their streets back. So our next job gets crashed not only by the cops, but by members of a rival gang or two from the city. So now starts the gang war, and the battles will increase territory and unlock stages for us if we win, as well as providing us with the spoils of different weapons, more cash, and drugs that we can then try to sell or distribute amongst ourselves. And perhaps if we fight well enough, or if we sell enough drugs successfully and take enough of their customers, the rival gang might just get displeased enough to call in a big cartel to try to bring us down. And if we manage to defeat the cartel, we get one hell of a reward...smile. Also, if the shotgun is the best weapon of this first release, definitely some automatic weapons should be included in the next one. And I'm done rambling for now, lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Dark, That's just it though. In most cases DD is harmless as most of the time it is just a bunch of guys and gals sitting around a table rolling dice and playing the game. The serious minded people go do the LARP thing with the live action roll playing. Neither one is particularly dangerous in and of itself. The problem is that some people go too far, go to extremes, and when someone gets hurt or killed the news media is all over it trumpeting the evils of DD or whatever. It is a case of something that rarely happens getting blown out of proportion and turned into a media frenzy because it is controversial. Then, we get the religious talking heads adding their input on how the bible tells us not to get involved in the occult, that this behavior is evil, and that DD should be band because it leads to this kind of violence. All seem to overlook the fact that this incident in question is a rare event, an aberration, and in 99%of all cases that this sort of thing never happens. Its just a case of the media making a mountain out of a molehill to have something to do on a slow news day. It is in my opinion a side effect of what I like to call the drive by media. They always drive around looking for the most sensational stories, and if it isn't sensational enough they will find a way to make it more sensational than it really is. As a result a lot of things that have no real relationship to the situation at hand such as a DD game gotten out of hand is turned into a media frenzy over the evils of roll playing games even though DD itself had little to do with what happened. The media just wants to stir the pot and se what comes of it. Back in the early 80's Don Henley made a great song called Dirty Laundry that tells it how it really is about today's news media. We can do the innuendo. We can dance and sing. We know when all is said and done we haven't really told you a thing. We all know crap is king. Give us dirty laundry. Don Henley, Dirty Laundry On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tim. I'm still a little confused at this correspondance between DD and deaths, or indeed what you mean about a girl crawling around in the woods and DD. As far as I knowand have ever played, DD,like all tabletop games involves you and your friends and a game master sitting around in a nice warm house with your dice and character sheets (or electronic versions of same), essentially participating in a collective story the gm is telling. As I said, I can believe that someone probably has committed a murder or similar, but only the same way any social activity provokes murder. There's no directly violent action or running around with real weapons. This is a contrast from larp, live action role play which does! involve dressing up like your fantasy character and running around smacking each other with fake weapons. This is not something I've ever done or personally would particularly want to do (sinse I don't see the point of being physically limited to playing a blind character), however I have many friends who are keen larp fans, and they describe a very strict set of rules and code of conduct, such as having a licensed first aider, having only specific phome weapons usable, having a set guide when out in wild locations who is responsable for knowing where all the players are etc. ? indeed apparently at one point a couple of friends of mine were getting ready to go to one of their larp events dressing in gear, and were accosted by a drunken idiot wielding a large table knife saying I want to play too and swinging it around like a moron, their response was to phone the police! ? So, I don't particularly see Dd any more dangerous than any other in door social activity would be, and while larp does entail more risk, when run properly it's no more dangerous than say fencing, wilderness walking or other out door sports. ? Beware the grue! ? Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
That sounds like an excellent, if bizarre, setup for a fanfiction. Lol. On 4/30/2015 8:39 AM, dark wrote: Well Bryan on the one hand I actually can believe more readily someone might have committed crimes over tabletop games more than other forms of gaming. Tabletop rp games are after all a social activity done with other people and can promote strong emotions both positive and negative. However to claim that DD or any other rpg is to blaime for this sounds to me like claiming orchestral music is evil because people have killed or committed suicide in course of performing it, heck on that logic maybe we should ban all friendships, relationships and any human contact at all! :D. Btw interestingly enough when i was looking up the Slenderman on wikipedia in connection with the dragonaps game, I did read about a girl who committed an attempted murder apparently instructed by Lord Voldemort, The Ninja Turtles and Slenderman (now there is a weerd team up). However to say this girl was a few nouns short of a collective analogy would be an understatement. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Tom. interestingly enough I think this also shows a cultural difference between britain and America, sinse while I know for a fact larp accidents or occasionally actual crimes (such as the one I discussed with that drunken prat with the knife my friend reported), have happened, I have never heard such things mentioned on the media, nor in Britain would you get any established religious figures condemning such, sinse while there are religious fundamentalists over here they certainly aren't mainstream enough to generally be consulted on such things or have such a view aired. This isn't to say the british media is much better, indeed with it coming up to the election I've been laughing at the amount of party spin each party is putting on a given news events and the amount the media has gone along with them, however at least religiously i think the more common moderate position in Britain does help somewhat. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Not entirely true. That's one reason I use a British synthe. We are the Knights who say...Ni! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
On the same idea, while I find a horoscope to be interesting to read, I don't believe in them or rely on them when it comes to what decisions I make today. The extremely religious say that I should not even read them. I disagree, because there is no harm in reading. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, As you said you were raised with a different type of mentality. Certainly the religious fundamentalism that is so popular here in the US isn't as prevalent over in the UK which makes the world of difference when discussing topics like fantasy and games. The issue here is that fundamentalists are often very literal minded about scriptural interpretation . They attempt to apply concepts and ideas written down 2,000 or more ago to a modern day framework which doesn't always work to my way of thinking. For example, the verse in Deuteronomy often quoted to declare games like dungeons and Dragons as evil is actually talking about worship and practicing the occult in a very literal sense. It isn't talking about books, games, or anything like that. I doubt the concept of playing a game like Dungeons and Dragons were on the author's minds since it hadn't been created yet. Therefore applying that verse to games in a modern context makes little sense as a group of college kids sitting around a table playing DD aren't literally casting spells or worshipping pagan gods. They are just rolling dice and playing along with an adventure story. In short, like you said for me playing a game like DD and practicing witchcraft in the real world are in two different categories mentally. I do not confuse the two, nor do I think one has any bearing on the other. However, to a religious fundamentalist they make no distinctions like that and apply scripture to all references of the occult real and imaginary. Even if the scripture in question doesn't really apply to that situation. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I understand where the believe comes from, but having been at least bought up a christian with a very different mentality it has just plane never made sense to me on a religious or personal level. I will admit the first time i met a practicing pagan (actually secretary of the British Wicken association), who freely and openly talked about spells i was a little disquieted, but when she explained that in pagan belief a spell is simply a practical or symbolic method of praying it made a lot more sense, indeed according to her a spell could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup of water and pouring them out on the ground. Again though her beliefs I don't particularly see as having anything to do with harry potter, DD or anything else anymore than I see the clerric's god enspired spells in DD having any baring on real religious practices at all, the two things are just in entirely separate compartments mentally which is why I find the idea of people who confuse the two utterly strange. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
if you want to be a logger go get the survive the wild game. then you can cut down trees and stuff. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 12:16 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, As you said you were raised with a different type of mentality. Certainly the religious fundamentalism that is so popular here in the US isn't as prevalent over in the UK which makes the world of difference when discussing topics like fantasy and games. The issue here is that fundamentalists are often very literal minded about scriptural interpretation . They attempt to apply concepts and ideas written down 2,000 or more ago to a modern day framework which doesn't always work to my way of thinking. For example, the verse in Deuteronomy often quoted to declare games like dungeons and Dragons as evil is actually talking about worship and practicing the occult in a very literal sense. It isn't talking about books, games, or anything like that. I doubt the concept of playing a game like Dungeons and Dragons were on the author's minds since it hadn't been created yet. Therefore applying that verse to games in a modern context makes little sense as a group of college kids sitting around a table playing DD aren't literally casting spells or worshipping pagan gods. They are just rolling dice and playing along with an adventure story. In short, like you said for me playing a game like DD and practicing witchcraft in the real world are in two different categories mentally. I do not confuse the two, nor do I think one has any bearing on the other. However, to a religious fundamentalist they make no distinctions like that and apply scripture to all references of the occult real and imaginary. Even if the scripture in question doesn't really apply to that situation. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I understand where the believe comes from, but having been at least bought up a christian with a very different mentality it has just plane never made sense to me on a religious or personal level. I will admit the first time i met a practicing pagan (actually secretary of the British Wicken association), who freely and openly talked about spells i was a little disquieted, but when she explained that in pagan belief a spell is simply a practical or symbolic method of praying it made a lot more sense, indeed according to her a spell could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup of water and pouring them out on the ground. Again though her beliefs I don't particularly see as having anything to do with harry potter, DD or anything else anymore than I see the clerric's god enspired spells in DD having any baring on real religious practices at all, the two things are just in entirely separate compartments mentally which is why I find the idea of people who confuse the two utterly strange. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
If you and I play chess on a regular basis, and I can never beat you, and I manage to get the upper hand in a game one afternoon, I blow it or you outfox me and win the game, and I kill you in anger after the game has been won, does that mean that chess should be banned? Of course not. So, I say, game on! It's frustrating at times, but fun! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Jody McKinniss jlove42...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I suspect that the people responsible for any murders or suicides related to DD or any other game had some serious mental illness issues, and their decisions had much more to do with that illness than with the games themselves. So to call any game evil based on behaviors committed by someone severely compromised by mental illness is ridiculous, especially when you consider that even had they not played the game in question, their ultimate behavior would most likely have occurred anyway. The suicide and/or murder wasn't committed because of DD, it was done so because of the imbalance in the person's brain, and likely would have resulted even if the person had never engaged in the aforementioned activities. My uncle is a prime example. He played DD for hours and hours as a teenager, days at a time without sleep on a few occasions, engaged in paintball (Which is basically simulated hunting/killing, I believe), had several game consoles with graphically violent games. Last time I saw him, he was 26 years of age. He still had the latest game consoles, and a majority of his games were fighting, violent, and bloody. Yet in the real world he's a husband, the Vice President of a company, a productive and contributing member of society who loves his wife and his familye. So again, to the people who are so uptight in this country about every little thing, I say relax. Have fun doing something in an alternate world that you know damn well you wouldn't do in your everyday life. I believe that the everyday average Joe's mind is capable of separating ffantasy from reality, and the few that do act out what they hear, see, read, etc., are burdened with illnesses that would have eventually led to adverse behavior anyway. Like I said, the thought of taking a human life in the real world is appalling to me, as it is to most people probably. But I definitely like kicking some ass in psycho strike, lol. I managed to get the rifle last night before I went to sleep. It's better than the shotgun, but Aaron, it is definitely my opinion that automatic weapons should be included in the next release. I just hope that you've managed to see suggestions buried in with all of the debate surrounding violence, religion, and other things. Lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
yep agree there. now to change the subject I've been playing psycho strike and have been killing goats. its lots of fun this game! I'd love to see a goat simulator where you play the part of a goat and you can just run around and bash cars and stuff with your horns, kick people, eat grass, and do other bad rampaging goat stuff now that would be fun! if anyone makes a goat sim I'll buy it. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:48 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Misconstrued is the least of it. In many cases the people who say Harry Potter or Dungeons and dragons are evil have never read the book or played the game to know firsthand what it is about and only form their opinion based on the word of mouth. They are frequently misinformed but have no problems telling you and everyone else how evil, Satanic, or ungodly this or that is when they don't have anything like firsthand knowledge of what they are talking about. Those that do tend to base their opinions on a specific verse in Deuteronomy that forbids them from practicing witchcraft, astrology, spiritualism, and a number of other occult subjects. In any case it is up to the person's own moral and ethical inclinations to play or not play such things. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
oh yeah and I think I'm buying psycho strike next month for sure! its fun! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:48 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Misconstrued is the least of it. In many cases the people who say Harry Potter or Dungeons and dragons are evil have never read the book or played the game to know firsthand what it is about and only form their opinion based on the word of mouth. They are frequently misinformed but have no problems telling you and everyone else how evil, Satanic, or ungodly this or that is when they don't have anything like firsthand knowledge of what they are talking about. Those that do tend to base their opinions on a specific verse in Deuteronomy that forbids them from practicing witchcraft, astrology, spiritualism, and a number of other occult subjects. In any case it is up to the person's own moral and ethical inclinations to play or not play such things. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
JAck daniels? well no wonder you puke :D. Note I said good! wisky. Rum is the same, Bacardi white rum is certinly not the propper stuff, indeed even the rather cheap captain morgans you get over here, (which is usually sadly the only rum available), isn't really a propper rum that I'd want to drink. My favourite commercial rum is a rather nice brand of spiced stuff called The cracken! though even that isn't the same as the propper jamaican variety. Wine I'll drink occasionally if it is a nice wine, (I have a friend who is very good at picking wines), but not on a regular basis and usually only after I've tasted it first. As I said I'm more a coctales and spirits man. Anyway unless someone is going to write a game involving a drinkinng contest this discussion probably should stop sinse it's getting severely ot, though thinking about it a drinking game could be amusing! :D. beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, LOL. You are right. I also misspelled lager. In any case the primary difference between lager and ale is how it is brewed. I also think, but am not certain, they also use different grains. Whatever the case lager and ale taste quite a bit different. As for rum and whiskey you must have a cast iron stomach. I can't drink either one of those without throwing up. I hate that stuff. Beer doesn't bother me. Wine doesn't bother me. However, give me a couple shots of Jack Daniel's and I'll puke my guts out for a month. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
How tired must everyone in this game be of eating goats? Lol On 4/30/2015 1:42 PM, Josh K wrote: yep agree there. now to change the subject I've been playing psycho strike and have been killing goats. its lots of fun this game! I'd love to see a goat simulator where you play the part of a goat and you can just run around and bash cars and stuff with your horns, kick people, eat grass, and do other bad rampaging goat stuff now that would be fun! if anyone makes a goat sim I'll buy it. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:48 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Misconstrued is the least of it. In many cases the people who say Harry Potter or Dungeons and dragons are evil have never read the book or played the game to know firsthand what it is about and only form their opinion based on the word of mouth. They are frequently misinformed but have no problems telling you and everyone else how evil, Satanic, or ungodly this or that is when they don't have anything like firsthand knowledge of what they are talking about. Those that do tend to base their opinions on a specific verse in Deuteronomy that forbids them from practicing witchcraft, astrology, spiritualism, and a number of other occult subjects. In any case it is up to the person's own moral and ethical inclinations to play or not play such things. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
I suspect that the people responsible for any murders or suicides related to DD or any other game had some serious mental illness issues, and their decisions had much more to do with that illness than with the games themselves. So to call any game evil based on behaviors committed by someone severely compromised by mental illness is ridiculous, especially when you consider that even had they not played the game in question, their ultimate behavior would most likely have occurred anyway. The suicide and/or murder wasn't committed because of DD, it was done so because of the imbalance in the person's brain, and likely would have resulted even if the person had never engaged in the aforementioned activities. My uncle is a prime example. He played DD for hours and hours as a teenager, days at a time without sleep on a few occasions, engaged in paintball (Which is basically simulated hunting/killing, I believe), had several game consoles with graphically violent games. Last time I saw him, he was 26 years of age. He still had the latest game consoles, and a majority of his games were fighting, violent, and bloody. Yet in the real world he's a husband, the Vice President of a company, a productive and contributing member of society who loves his wife and his familye. So again, to the people who are so uptight in this country about every little thing, I say relax. Have fun doing something in an alternate world that you know damn well you wouldn't do in your everyday life. I believe that the everyday average Joe's mind is capable of separating ffantasy from reality, and the few that do act out what they hear, see, read, etc., are burdened with illnesses that would have eventually led to adverse behavior anyway. Like I said, the thought of taking a human life in the real world is appalling to me, as it is to most people probably. But I definitely like kicking some ass in psycho strike, lol. I managed to get the rifle last night before I went to sleep. It's better than the shotgun, but Aaron, it is definitely my opinion that automatic weapons should be included in the next release. I just hope that you've managed to see suggestions buried in with all of the debate surrounding violence, religion, and other things. Lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
You're gonna wind up on someone's table if you make a mistake in that game you're thinking of. I love a good leg of lamb!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions yep agree there. now to change the subject I've been playing psycho strike and have been killing goats. its lots of fun this game! I'd love to see a goat simulator where you play the part of a goat and you can just run around and bash cars and stuff with your horns, kick people, eat grass, and do other bad rampaging goat stuff now that would be fun! if anyone makes a goat sim I'll buy it. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:48 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Misconstrued is the least of it. In many cases the people who say Harry Potter or Dungeons and dragons are evil have never read the book or played the game to know firsthand what it is about and only form their opinion based on the word of mouth. They are frequently misinformed but have no problems telling you and everyone else how evil, Satanic, or ungodly this or that is when they don't have anything like firsthand knowledge of what they are talking about. Those that do tend to base their opinions on a specific verse in Deuteronomy that forbids them from practicing witchcraft, astrology, spiritualism, and a number of other occult subjects. In any case it is up to the person's own moral and ethical inclinations to play or not play such things. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Charles, Yes, exactly my view. I've been told the same thing over the years. I often times read the horoscopes not because I actually believe in them but for entertainment purposes only. Sometimes I get a laugh at the predictions. I'll never forget this one time my horoscope said not to eat spaghetti because I'd end up embarrassing myself by spilling it in my lap. So just for fun I had spaghetti for dinner that night. Nothing of course happened. So apparently reading that prediction had no ill effects on my life. The thing is I am a skeptic at heart when it comes to supernatural claims and often see things like astrology as just bunk to put it politely. So think it is amusing when a religious person tells me not to read my horoscope because it seems like they are putting more faith in its validity than I do. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: On the same idea, while I find a horoscope to be interesting to read, I don't believe in them or rely on them when it comes to what decisions I make today. The extremely religious say that I should not even read them. I disagree, because there is no harm in reading. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
yep they have no scientific basis really. I read them for fun sometimes and for a laugh. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 1:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, Yes, exactly my view. I've been told the same thing over the years. I often times read the horoscopes not because I actually believe in them but for entertainment purposes only. Sometimes I get a laugh at the predictions. I'll never forget this one time my horoscope said not to eat spaghetti because I'd end up embarrassing myself by spilling it in my lap. So just for fun I had spaghetti for dinner that night. Nothing of course happened. So apparently reading that prediction had no ill effects on my life. The thing is I am a skeptic at heart when it comes to supernatural claims and often see things like astrology as just bunk to put it politely. So think it is amusing when a religious person tells me not to read my horoscope because it seems like they are putting more faith in its validity than I do. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: On the same idea, while I find a horoscope to be interesting to read, I don't believe in them or rely on them when it comes to what decisions I make today. The extremely religious say that I should not even read them. I disagree, because there is no harm in reading. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
speaking of scopes would the gun scope in swamp maybe help with killing the zombies somehow? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 12:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: On the same idea, while I find a horoscope to be interesting to read, I don't believe in them or rely on them when it comes to what decisions I make today. The extremely religious say that I should not even read them. I disagree, because there is no harm in reading. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, As you said you were raised with a different type of mentality. Certainly the religious fundamentalism that is so popular here in the US isn't as prevalent over in the UK which makes the world of difference when discussing topics like fantasy and games. The issue here is that fundamentalists are often very literal minded about scriptural interpretation . They attempt to apply concepts and ideas written down 2,000 or more ago to a modern day framework which doesn't always work to my way of thinking. For example, the verse in Deuteronomy often quoted to declare games like dungeons and Dragons as evil is actually talking about worship and practicing the occult in a very literal sense. It isn't talking about books, games, or anything like that. I doubt the concept of playing a game like Dungeons and Dragons were on the author's minds since it hadn't been created yet. Therefore applying that verse to games in a modern context makes little sense as a group of college kids sitting around a table playing DD aren't literally casting spells or worshipping pagan gods. They are just rolling dice and playing along with an adventure story. In short, like you said for me playing a game like DD and practicing witchcraft in the real world are in two different categories mentally. I do not confuse the two, nor do I think one has any bearing on the other. However, to a religious fundamentalist they make no distinctions like that and apply scripture to all references of the occult real and imaginary. Even if the scripture in question doesn't really apply to that situation. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I understand where the believe comes from, but having been at least bought up a christian with a very different mentality it has just plane never made sense to me on a religious or personal level. I will admit the first time i met a practicing pagan (actually secretary of the British Wicken association), who freely and openly talked about spells i was a little disquieted, but when she explained that in pagan belief a spell is simply a practical or symbolic method of praying it made a lot more sense, indeed according to her a spell could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup of water and pouring them out on the ground. Again though her beliefs I don't particularly see as having anything to do with harry potter, DD or anything else anymore than I see the clerric's god enspired spells in DD having any baring on real religious practices at all, the two things are just in entirely separate compartments mentally which is why I find the idea of people who confuse the two utterly strange. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
@Charlse, you are directly incorrect, and to be honest I'm getting a little tired of you making this constant point about the way myself, and most people in England speak. So, I have recorded this file, which is me saying the words lager and logger, and then reading your previous mail with Orphius (my appologies for the speaker bit, I didn't have time to put my quad speakers into optimum mike position but it should be audible). Hopefully this will finally knock this silly linguistic idea on the head. https://www.sendspace.com/pro/zyccve Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Well, on my speakers, using a high quality English synth they don't, so please stop with the repeated complaints on this matter, or make it clear your only talking about American pronunciations. Beware the gRue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions I was not referring to the way that a person speaks. On my speakers, using JAWS 15, and an American high quality SaPI 5 speech, logger and lager sound exactly the same. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Charlse, you are directly incorrect, and to be honest I'm getting a little tired of you making this constant point about the way myself, and most people in England speak. So, I have recorded this file, which is me saying the words lager and logger, and then reading your previous mail with Orphius (my appologies for the speaker bit, I didn't have time to put my quad speakers into optimum mike position but it should be audible). Hopefully this will finally knock this silly linguistic idea on the head. https://www.sendspace.com/pro/zyccve Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
mmm drinking game. There is no way Harry potter and other such games are evil. On 4/30/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
I was not referring to the way that a person speaks. On my speakers, using JAWS 15, and an American high quality SaPI 5 speech, logger and lager sound exactly the same. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions @Charlse, you are directly incorrect, and to be honest I'm getting a little tired of you making this constant point about the way myself, and most people in England speak. So, I have recorded this file, which is me saying the words lager and logger, and then reading your previous mail with Orphius (my appologies for the speaker bit, I didn't have time to put my quad speakers into optimum mike position but it should be audible). Hopefully this will finally knock this silly linguistic idea on the head. https://www.sendspace.com/pro/zyccve Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Okay you two! You're both a few cans short of a six pack! You both spelled lager incorrectly! ;) Anyway, just for fun, here is an article on the diff between lager and ale. http://allaboutbeer.com/article/lager-beer-vs-ale-beer—does-it-matter/ Enjoy! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 30, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
One story I always remember hearing which even made my local news once upon a time was about a chap who had supposedly just won some money on the lottery, not one of the major jack pots but a nice some of cash, around a thousand pounds or so. Supposedly, he had run across the road to cash in his ticket, but not taking much care had got hit by a bus, which resulted in him being sent to hospital with two broken legs. Whilst in hospital he opend his day's horroscope which happened to be for scorpio, and read the sentence: great rewards might be in store, but look before you leep or you could end up crushed and broken :D. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Okay, need to chime in here. :) In college, a guy friend was talking to me about his current relationship. Just for fun we picked up the paper and he went to his horoscope. It said, You will talk to a friend today about a relationship! lol! I kid you not! :) Just thought y'all would get a kick! We certainly did! Smiles, Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Yes, exactly my view. I've been told the same thing over the years. I often times read the horoscopes not because I actually believe in them but for entertainment purposes only. Sometimes I get a laugh at the predictions. I'll never forget this one time my horoscope said not to eat spaghetti because I'd end up embarrassing myself by spilling it in my lap. So just for fun I had spaghetti for dinner that night. Nothing of course happened. So apparently reading that prediction had no ill effects on my life. The thing is I am a skeptic at heart when it comes to supernatural claims and often see things like astrology as just bunk to put it politely. So think it is amusing when a religious person tells me not to read my horoscope because it seems like they are putting more faith in its validity than I do. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: On the same idea, while I find a horoscope to be interesting to read, I don't believe in them or rely on them when it comes to what decisions I make today. The extremely religious say that I should not even read them. I disagree, because there is no harm in reading. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi thomas sir! and everyone in the list. The thing is that parents are not careful about their children so that they are commiting sucides I am amazed that when dark sir said that a girl commited suicide because of the slenderman he is the poor character I think. Only he teleports and do nothing. as for thomas sir's post about media in my opinion they work for TRP. they want to creat a news for their own purpose. So for the blind gamers there are not much game where you have to be violent so don't worry. Thanks Ishan On 5/1/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: My appologies tom. I am just a little tired of Charlse always bringing up this point and winjing about English accents (and by extention braille), which i have seen him do a good many times before, so I hoped to set the matter finally to rest with a practical example. This is my last word on the subject. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Charles and Dark, Please, take the debate over how to pronounce Lager off list. It really has no place here. Apparently from what I heard of Dark's mp3 people in the UK pronounce lager differently than we do so deal with it. There are a lot of things we say differently and as long as we can understand what a person means debates as this one have no place on this or any other entertainment list. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Charlse, you are directly incorrect, and to be honest I'm getting a little tired of you making this constant point about the way myself, and most people in England speak. So, I have recorded this file, which is me saying the words lager and logger, and then reading your previous mail with Orphius (my appologies for the speaker bit, I didn't have time to put my quad speakers into optimum mike position but it should be audible). Hopefully this will finally knock this silly linguistic idea on the head. https://www.sendspace.com/pro/zyccve Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
My appologies tom. I am just a little tired of Charlse always bringing up this point and winjing about English accents (and by extention braille), which i have seen him do a good many times before, so I hoped to set the matter finally to rest with a practical example. This is my last word on the subject. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Charles and Dark, Please, take the debate over how to pronounce Lager off list. It really has no place here. Apparently from what I heard of Dark's mp3 people in the UK pronounce lager differently than we do so deal with it. There are a lot of things we say differently and as long as we can understand what a person means debates as this one have no place on this or any other entertainment list. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Charlse, you are directly incorrect, and to be honest I'm getting a little tired of you making this constant point about the way myself, and most people in England speak. So, I have recorded this file, which is me saying the words lager and logger, and then reading your previous mail with Orphius (my appologies for the speaker bit, I didn't have time to put my quad speakers into optimum mike position but it should be audible). Hopefully this will finally knock this silly linguistic idea on the head. https://www.sendspace.com/pro/zyccve Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi jodi I am also agreed with you I think if we can sell drugs in colege like most smugglers do. also every man has his own ability. so some are for recieving trucks of drugs and ammo and some will for battle. why we are killing people? we should be more flexible and do more crime. like kidnapping and threatening people. Thanks Ishan On 4/30/15, Jody McKinniss jlove42...@gmail.com wrote: I finally checked my email, so I saw the posts on this game and the debate on violent content, etc. So here's my opinion after playing it for some time. In the real world I am 36 years of age, and I am probably one of the most tenderhearted, nonviolent people you'll ever meet. I'm the guy who will give his last dollar to the homeless man in the doorway, or give him the shirt off my back. I am anti-death penalty, for several reasons. The thought of taking another human life is repugnant to me. I myself have been a victim of both domestic violence as well as criminal violence by a stranger. So in the real world, if someone were doing what the characters in this game are doing, then I'd be horrified. That being said, I love the game. I get the chance to play the complete opposite of who I am in the real world in a fictional one, with no reprisals, no consequences. How cool is that? I grew up with games like Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Double Dragon, etc. I've had GTA described to me, and there are parts of that game that are extremely graphic. I even tried out DD when I was younger, around 13 or so, despite all the people I've heard saying how evil that particular game is. But guess what? Despite my playing games with violent content in my younger years, I'm not a cold-bloodded killer, I don't fantasize about becoming some psycho serial killer, I don't have waking dreams of mass murdering everyone around me. So my opinion is that everyone should relax a little bit and give us credit for the brain that we have, that we can separate a fictional world from the real one. And let's give parents some credit as well, that they know their children and whether they can handle a game like this. Let's all just have fun with a game that gives us good guys a chance to be bad. There's a definite appeal to letting my hair down in an alternate world, to doing things in that world I know for certain I wouldn't do in the real one. Now, some suggestions for Aaron for future releases: Several things could be included to increase the storyline, to augment your goals. For example, we're a gang, right? Most gangs nowadays are usually into drugs, weapons, some way to make cash if they're not robbing banks. So perhaps give us a stage where we can sell weapons that we get from the guys we kill that we don't need. (I've got over 300 pistol cartridges that I will never use, over 100 knives, etc). It could be a pawn shop, or it could be that we're unknowingly selling weapons to another gang, which just might come back to haunt us, or even undercover ATF or FBI. Add a stage where we can sell drugs to people on the street, and add in undercover cops, local at first, then DEA and FBI once we reach a certain level, that try to thwart our efforts. To help neutralize that threat, we could have the ability to try to bribe some cops, get them on our payroll. Another thing you should include is rival gangs. We're causing all this mayhem, stacking up body counts and cash, and in the process we're taking the glory and attention away from the resident gangs of the city, and now they want their streets back. So our next job gets crashed not only by the cops, but by members of a rival gang or two from the city. So now starts the gang war, and the battles will increase territory and unlock stages for us if we win, as well as providing us with the spoils of different weapons, more cash, and drugs that we can then try to sell or distribute amongst ourselves. And perhaps if we fight well enough, or if we sell enough drugs successfully and take enough of their customers, the rival gang might just get displeased enough to call in a big cartel to try to bring us down. And if we manage to defeat the cartel, we get one hell of a reward...smile. Also, if the shotgun is the best weapon of this first release, definitely some automatic weapons should be included in the next one. And I'm done rambling for now, lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Charles and Dark, Please, take the debate over how to pronounce Lager off list. It really has no place here. Apparently from what I heard of Dark's mp3 people in the UK pronounce lager differently than we do so deal with it. There are a lot of things we say differently and as long as we can understand what a person means debates as this one have no place on this or any other entertainment list. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Charlse, you are directly incorrect, and to be honest I'm getting a little tired of you making this constant point about the way myself, and most people in England speak. So, I have recorded this file, which is me saying the words lager and logger, and then reading your previous mail with Orphius (my appologies for the speaker bit, I didn't have time to put my quad speakers into optimum mike position but it should be audible). Hopefully this will finally knock this silly linguistic idea on the head. https://www.sendspace.com/pro/zyccve Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Maybe this is where speech synthesis comes into play, because a logger might drink a lager. You cannot hear the difference, because there isn't any audible difference. Braille beats speech hands down. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Jody, An excellent point. In many of the cases where murder or suicide is involved in someone playing a game or appears that way probably has more to do with some mental illness and other issues that have nothing to do with the game. It is just in our society today where the media has to find something sensational to report or make something sound more sensational than it really is they try and draw conclusions about the murder or suicide that may have no basis in reality. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Jody McKinniss jlove42...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect that the people responsible for any murders or suicides related to DD or any other game had some serious mental illness issues, and their decisions had much more to do with that illness than with the games themselves. So to call any game evil based on behaviors committed by someone severely compromised by mental illness is ridiculous, especially when you consider that even had they not played the game in question, their ultimate behavior would most likely have occurred anyway. The suicide and/or murder wasn't committed because of DD, it was done so because of the imbalance in the person's brain, and likely would have resulted even if the person had never engaged in the aforementioned activities. My uncle is a prime example. He played DD for hours and hours as a teenager, days at a time without sleep on a few occasions, engaged in paintball (Which is basically simulated hunting/killing, I believe), had several game consoles with graphically violent games. Last time I saw him, he was 26 years of age. He still had the latest game consoles, and a majority of his games were fighting, violent, and bloody. Yet in the real world he's a husband, the Vice President of a company, a productive and contributing member of society who loves his wife and his familye. So again, to the people who are so uptight in this country about every little thing, I say relax. Have fun doing something in an alternate world that you know damn well you wouldn't do in your everyday life. I believe that the everyday average Joe's mind is capable of separating ffantasy from reality, and the few that do act out what they hear, see, read, etc., are burdened with illnesses that would have eventually led to adverse behavior anyway. Like I said, the thought of taking a human life in the real world is appalling to me, as it is to most people probably. But I definitely like kicking some ass in psycho strike, lol. I managed to get the rifle last night before I went to sleep. It's better than the shotgun, but Aaron, it is definitely my opinion that automatic weapons should be included in the next release. I just hope that you've managed to see suggestions buried in with all of the debate surrounding violence, religion, and other things. Lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Okay, need to chime in here. :) In college, a guy friend was talking to me about his current relationship. Just for fun we picked up the paper and he went to his horoscope. It said, You will talk to a friend today about a relationship! lol! I kid you not! :) Just thought y'all would get a kick! We certainly did! Smiles, Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Yes, exactly my view. I've been told the same thing over the years. I often times read the horoscopes not because I actually believe in them but for entertainment purposes only. Sometimes I get a laugh at the predictions. I'll never forget this one time my horoscope said not to eat spaghetti because I'd end up embarrassing myself by spilling it in my lap. So just for fun I had spaghetti for dinner that night. Nothing of course happened. So apparently reading that prediction had no ill effects on my life. The thing is I am a skeptic at heart when it comes to supernatural claims and often see things like astrology as just bunk to put it politely. So think it is amusing when a religious person tells me not to read my horoscope because it seems like they are putting more faith in its validity than I do. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: On the same idea, while I find a horoscope to be interesting to read, I don't believe in them or rely on them when it comes to what decisions I make today. The extremely religious say that I should not even read them. I disagree, because there is no harm in reading. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Josh, Misconstrued is the least of it. In many cases the people who say Harry Potter or Dungeons and dragons are evil have never read the book or played the game to know firsthand what it is about and only form their opinion based on the word of mouth. They are frequently misinformed but have no problems telling you and everyone else how evil, Satanic, or ungodly this or that is when they don't have anything like firsthand knowledge of what they are talking about. Those that do tend to base their opinions on a specific verse in Deuteronomy that forbids them from practicing witchcraft, astrology, spiritualism, and a number of other occult subjects. In any case it is up to the person's own moral and ethical inclinations to play or not play such things. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Tom. I understand where the believe comes from, but having been at least bought up a christian with a very different mentality it has just plane never made sense to me on a religious or personal level. I will admit the first time i met a practicing pagan (actually secretary of the British Wicken association), who freely and openly talked about spells i was a little disquieted, but when she explained that in pagan belief a spell is simply a practical or symbolic method of praying it made a lot more sense, indeed according to her a spell could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup of water and pouring them out on the ground. Again though her beliefs I don't particularly see as having anything to do with harry potter, DD or anything else anymore than I see the clerric's god enspired spells in DD having any baring on real religious practices at all, the two things are just in entirely separate compartments mentally which is why I find the idea of people who confuse the two utterly strange. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Josh and all, Cough...While I would like to debate the bible etc with you I don't think the Audyssey List is the best place to do that.. So I will kindly ask that we veer away from that topic as not to start a flame war or run the risk of upsetting anyone's sensibilities by opening up that can of worms here. Cheers! On 4/30/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yes and keep in mind the bible was written 2000 some years ago, christians didn't even have the bible as we know it until the early 400s. 405 AD or something like that. so when you read it, you have to keep in mind its historical context, that it is translated from other languages, and what phrases and stuff meant back then versus what they mean today. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi tim. I'm still a little confused at this correspondance between DD and deaths, or indeed what you mean about a girl crawling around in the woods and DD. As far as I knowand have ever played, DD,like all tabletop games involves you and your friends and a game master sitting around in a nice warm house with your dice and character sheets (or electronic versions of same), essentially participating in a collective story the gm is telling. As I said, I can believe that someone probably has committed a murder or similar, but only the same way any social activity provokes murder. There's no directly violent action or running around with real weapons. This is a contrast from larp, live action role play which does! involve dressing up like your fantasy character and running around smacking each other with fake weapons. This is not something I've ever done or personally would particularly want to do (sinse I don't see the point of being physically limited to playing a blind character), however I have many friends who are keen larp fans, and they describe a very strict set of rules and code of conduct, such as having a licensed first aider, having only specific phome weapons usable, having a set guide when out in wild locations who is responsable for knowing where all the players are etc. ? indeed apparently at one point a couple of friends of mine were getting ready to go to one of their larp events dressing in gear, and were accosted by a drunken idiot wielding a large table knife saying I want to play too and swinging it around like a moron, their response was to phone the police! ? So, I don't particularly see Dd any more dangerous than any other in door social activity would be, and while larp does entail more risk, when run properly it's no more dangerous than say fencing, wilderness walking or other out door sports. ? Beware the grue! ? Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
yep religious zealots say harry potter and such are evil simply because their beliefs are a bit misconstrued that's all. Just pay them no mind that's what I do. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 3:22 AM, dark wrote: @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Dark, Well, I for one don't believe roll playing games like Dungeons and Dragons is evil in a religious sense, but I do know and understand where that system of beliefs comes from having been brought up in a Christian faith as a child. The basis of religious believers calling DD evil comes from a verse in Deuteronomy of not being partakers of witchcraft, magic, familiar spirits, etc. Basically, many Christians take that to mean that any participation in magic or the occult be it real or fantasy is forbidden and call fiction like Harry Potter or games like DD evil accordingly. Myself I strongly feel that view is taken out of context and there is a world of difference of actually practicing the occult and merely reading a story about it or playing a game. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
yes and keep in mind the bible was written 2000 some years ago, christians didn't even have the bible as we know it until the early 400s. 405 AD or something like that. so when you read it, you have to keep in mind its historical context, that it is translated from other languages, and what phrases and stuff meant back then versus what they mean today. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/30/2015 11:30 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Well, I for one don't believe roll playing games like Dungeons and Dragons is evil in a religious sense, but I do know and understand where that system of beliefs comes from having been brought up in a Christian faith as a child. The basis of religious believers calling DD evil comes from a verse in Deuteronomy of not being partakers of witchcraft, magic, familiar spirits, etc. Basically, many Christians take that to mean that any participation in magic or the occult be it real or fantasy is forbidden and call fiction like Harry Potter or games like DD evil accordingly. Myself I strongly feel that view is taken out of context and there is a world of difference of actually practicing the occult and merely reading a story about it or playing a game. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: @Jody, DD evil? I'm a tad confused, sinse the dungeons and dragons I know is a tabletop rp game, and how evil it is depends upon your gm, though usually most decent gms wouldn't really condone a game where you were playing out and out evil characters and would smack you with nasty in game penalties if you ever commited any senseless crimes or whatever, sinse it's their job to create the realistic world the game happens in. I have heard some religious zealots say DD is evil simply because it involves magic, wizards, dragons and such, the same way some religious zealots say Harry Potter is evil, but such opinions are based on a religious mindset and system of beliefs that (even though I was bought up in the Christian tradition myself), I find so utterly bizarre I have difficulty making sense of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions Hi Dark, Me thinks you are a few cans short of a six pack yourself. I do not intend to define what a few is since it is obvious it is more than one and is less than six. Plus logger, which you misspelled, is a type of beer. So listing beer and logger in the same sentence is a bit redundant. Might have been better to use ale instead as it is also a beer but a different type of beer. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, A few cans short of a sixpack Well, sinse a sixpack by deffinition holds six cans, (whether of beer, larga, coke or whatever), then how many is a few? it cannot be one sinse the words cans is used implying it is a plaural, however it cannot be two sinse there are already collective plaurals for two, eg, a pair, a couple which could've been used instead of the collective A few If however it is three cans, then we run into a basic deffinitional problem sinse logically three is half of six and therefore Half a sixpack however by deffinition a half is a proportionately large amount, and therefore the categorical opposite of a few. So, is it indeed possible to be a few cans short of a sixpack? Perhaps it is this logical impossibility which promotes the metaphore for insanity, sinse by deffinition if nobody can ever be! a few cans short of a sixpack and yet someone is, it implies a severe imbalance in the world sinse quantities with no deffinition have been involved, hence why such people who might be described as A few cans short of a sixpack are seen as insane or mad, though whether they were mad before being described by such utterly nonsensical and mathematically incomprehensible analogies or whether such analogies applied to them have caused a severe mentil disconnection from reality through being described by quantities that cannot possibly exist is not clear. Disclaimer! the above analysis may well be a complete and utter load of dingo's kidneys aand just exist for completely pointless amusement value. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Dark, As you said you were raised with a different type of mentality. Certainly the religious fundamentalism that is so popular here in the US isn't as prevalent over in the UK which makes the world of difference when discussing topics like fantasy and games. The issue here is that fundamentalists are often very literal minded about scriptural interpretation . They attempt to apply concepts and ideas written down 2,000 or more ago to a modern day framework which doesn't always work to my way of thinking. For example, the verse in Deuteronomy often quoted to declare games like dungeons and Dragons as evil is actually talking about worship and practicing the occult in a very literal sense. It isn't talking about books, games, or anything like that. I doubt the concept of playing a game like Dungeons and Dragons were on the author's minds since it hadn't been created yet. Therefore applying that verse to games in a modern context makes little sense as a group of college kids sitting around a table playing DD aren't literally casting spells or worshipping pagan gods. They are just rolling dice and playing along with an adventure story. In short, like you said for me playing a game like DD and practicing witchcraft in the real world are in two different categories mentally. I do not confuse the two, nor do I think one has any bearing on the other. However, to a religious fundamentalist they make no distinctions like that and apply scripture to all references of the occult real and imaginary. Even if the scripture in question doesn't really apply to that situation. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I understand where the believe comes from, but having been at least bought up a christian with a very different mentality it has just plane never made sense to me on a religious or personal level. I will admit the first time i met a practicing pagan (actually secretary of the British Wicken association), who freely and openly talked about spells i was a little disquieted, but when she explained that in pagan belief a spell is simply a practical or symbolic method of praying it made a lot more sense, indeed according to her a spell could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup of water and pouring them out on the ground. Again though her beliefs I don't particularly see as having anything to do with harry potter, DD or anything else anymore than I see the clerric's god enspired spells in DD having any baring on real religious practices at all, the two things are just in entirely separate compartments mentally which is why I find the idea of people who confuse the two utterly strange. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
Hi Dark, LOL. You are right. I also misspelled lager. In any case the primary difference between lager and ale is how it is brewed. I also think, but am not certain, they also use different grains. Whatever the case lager and ale taste quite a bit different. As for rum and whiskey you must have a cast iron stomach. I can't drink either one of those without throwing up. I hate that stuff. Beer doesn't bother me. Wine doesn't bother me. However, give me a couple shots of Jack Daniel's and I'll puke my guts out for a month. Cheers! On 4/30/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. logger? I thought a logger was someone who choppsed down trees. I did check the spelling and I meant lager. I'm not sure of the differences sinse I am quite aware lager is a type of beer, but often in Britain beers and lagers are distinguished by those who drink them, especially locally brewed beers and those who are in the real ale briggade. Don't ask me, on the rare occasions I do drink alcohol I much prefer a good quality wisky or a propper dark rum, or indeed a decent coctale. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] psycho strike, some observations, and Suggestions
I finally checked my email, so I saw the posts on this game and the debate on violent content, etc. So here's my opinion after playing it for some time. In the real world I am 36 years of age, and I am probably one of the most tenderhearted, nonviolent people you'll ever meet. I'm the guy who will give his last dollar to the homeless man in the doorway, or give him the shirt off my back. I am anti-death penalty, for several reasons. The thought of taking another human life is repugnant to me. I myself have been a victim of both domestic violence as well as criminal violence by a stranger. So in the real world, if someone were doing what the characters in this game are doing, then I'd be horrified. That being said, I love the game. I get the chance to play the complete opposite of who I am in the real world in a fictional one, with no reprisals, no consequences. How cool is that? I grew up with games like Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Double Dragon, etc. I've had GTA described to me, and there are parts of that game that are extremely graphic. I even tried out DD when I was younger, around 13 or so, despite all the people I've heard saying how evil that particular game is. But guess what? Despite my playing games with violent content in my younger years, I'm not a cold-bloodded killer, I don't fantasize about becoming some psycho serial killer, I don't have waking dreams of mass murdering everyone around me. So my opinion is that everyone should relax a little bit and give us credit for the brain that we have, that we can separate a fictional world from the real one. And let's give parents some credit as well, that they know their children and whether they can handle a game like this. Let's all just have fun with a game that gives us good guys a chance to be bad. There's a definite appeal to letting my hair down in an alternate world, to doing things in that world I know for certain I wouldn't do in the real one. Now, some suggestions for Aaron for future releases: Several things could be included to increase the storyline, to augment your goals. For example, we're a gang, right? Most gangs nowadays are usually into drugs, weapons, some way to make cash if they're not robbing banks. So perhaps give us a stage where we can sell weapons that we get from the guys we kill that we don't need. (I've got over 300 pistol cartridges that I will never use, over 100 knives, etc). It could be a pawn shop, or it could be that we're unknowingly selling weapons to another gang, which just might come back to haunt us, or even undercover ATF or FBI. Add a stage where we can sell drugs to people on the street, and add in undercover cops, local at first, then DEA and FBI once we reach a certain level, that try to thwart our efforts. To help neutralize that threat, we could have the ability to try to bribe some cops, get them on our payroll. Another thing you should include is rival gangs. We're causing all this mayhem, stacking up body counts and cash, and in the process we're taking the glory and attention away from the resident gangs of the city, and now they want their streets back. So our next job gets crashed not only by the cops, but by members of a rival gang or two from the city. So now starts the gang war, and the battles will increase territory and unlock stages for us if we win, as well as providing us with the spoils of different weapons, more cash, and drugs that we can then try to sell or distribute amongst ourselves. And perhaps if we fight well enough, or if we sell enough drugs successfully and take enough of their customers, the rival gang might just get displeased enough to call in a big cartel to try to bring us down. And if we manage to defeat the cartel, we get one hell of a reward...smile. Also, if the shotgun is the best weapon of this first release, definitely some automatic weapons should be included in the next one. And I'm done rambling for now, lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
