Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[John Vega]

We have a joke among our circle of football watchers.

Whenever it is 1st, 2nd or 3rd and a yard for a 1st down or a TD, my friends 
all ask me what play to call.

Each time, I yell "QB sneak." Under center is implied.

Even if it is a half of a yard, there will always be 4th down.

It is dull, even ugly, but it works.

It also minimizes the chances of a tackle for a loss, or a penalty on the 
offensive line.

I can't keep track of how many times sometime "more clever" than the QB sneak 
has backfired.

Newton is big and strong. Pouncey is a hoss. Put Newton under center on 2nd and 
goal from the 1 and run the sneak 3 times in a row if you have to.

I guarantee a TD.

Or do this other garbage, knowing that your kicker is out of the game.

You make the call.

-Zeb


On Oct 19, 2010, at 6:59 PM, wildeart...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't understand why that's odd. We always line up in the shotgun when we 
> have the ball on the 1. That's part of how we've been so efficient at turning 
> a 1st and goal at the 1 into a 3rd and goal at the 15.  :-)
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
>>  For his second TD, Newton lined up in the shotgun on third-and-goal from 
>> the 1, which for most QBs would seem like an odd call.
>> Why start 5 yards behind the line instead of right up close to the end zone?

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Re: [gatortalk] Big Mo

[wildeart...@gmail.com]

Yeah, I'm up for that. Maybe if Meyer shakes things up enough in the off week, 
we can come back looking more like we did against UK and less like we did 
against MSU. One good thing about where we are now is that I have no real 
expectations, so every win will be a good one. :-)

Rob



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On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Helen Huntley  wrote:

> Yes, let's!
> 
> I think the gloom is about people having given up on the possibility of 
> beating UGA and FSU. Maybe we'll save the season yet!
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:02 AM, John Vega  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:49 AM, jfranl wrote:
> 
>>   Perhaps, it is a blessing in disguise since the obvious problems have come 
>> all at once rather than one at a time (I always like to look at the positive 
>> side  J )
> 
> We still control our destiny.
> 
> Despite all that can happen, we could still win the SEC. Think about that. I 
> cherish those things, still angry that we don't have 1984, 1985 and 1990. I 
> think it would be spectacular to have a shot in the SEC Championship game.
> 
> We still can beat our two most annoying rivals; FSU and Georgia. We've 
> already put the toothless ones in their place.
> 
> OK, we are out of the MNC race. So what? Let's go kick a dawg!
> 
> -Zeb
> 
> 
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[wildeart...@gmail.com]

I don't hate Mullen. I wish him all the best and hope he has a long and 
successful career. I simply object to the media characterization that Gator 
fans wish they had Mullen back again. Some may, but I don't. Sure he called 
some good plays -- Adazzio calls some good plays too -- but that doesn't mean 
he is a particularly good game-day coach. It always seemed to me that he was 
excellent at designing plays on paper, as with some of the ones you pointed 
out, but just never had a feel for the flow of a game and no real knack for 
keeping offensive coordinators off balance. But that's just one opinion.

Rob

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On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:37 AM, jl...@comcast.net wrote:

> I'm not sure where all this hate for Mullen comes from.  Yes, he relied too 
> much on Tebow and Harvin, but most of the time it worked.  He also came up 
> with some brilliant play calls: the jump pass, the Tebow rocker step, the 
> play right before the half against OSU where Tebow took a step towards the 
> LOS, then ran parallel to it before passing to Caldwell for the TD.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "jfranl" 
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:14:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
> 
> Amen, Brother!!  I don't want him back either.  I always thought that
> superior talent would trump a mediocre offensive play caller, but I guess I
> was wrong. The wheels have fallen off the wagon!  Fran
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Badrish
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:47 PM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
> I agree!
> 
> On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much
> > because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his
> > play-calling, not because of it.  He showed that again Saturday night.
> They
> > didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good
> > game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They
> tried
> > to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is
> > certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote:
> >
> >> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have not
> >> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for
> Urban's
> >> success at Florida and previously.
> >>
> >> Let that sink in.
> >>
> >> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
> >> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  Oh
> >> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It was
> >> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference,
> >> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them.
> >> That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare.
> >> He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
> >>
> >> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense work
> >> with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and
> >> we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, modified the
> >> offense, and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we
> >> don't modify and we are losing horribly.  But what has Dan done?  He went
> >> to an underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he modified and is
> >> winning.  He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with
> >> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools
> >> he has...
> >>
> >> Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times
> >> against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.
> >> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say
> >> what LSU did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  He
> >> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of
> >> player than Bama and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us.
> >>
> >> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our
> >> personnel.  Dan wouldn't do this.  We are trying to force TOO many square
> >> pegs into round holes.  Dan wouldn't do this either.
> >>
> >> You think it is just about Brantley?  It is not.  Without adequate
> >> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running
> >> backs will go nowhere.  Especially a 190 pound running back when you run
> >> right up the middle.  It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there
> is
> >> in front of you is a wall of defenders.  We have no solid tight end
> >> threat.  We have hybrids.  We have kids playing positions that they can
> >> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, a

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[wildeart...@gmail.com]

I don't understand why that's odd. We always line up in the shotgun when we 
have the ball on the 1. That's part of how we've been so efficient at turning a 
1st and goal at the 1 into a 3rd and goal at the 15.  :-)

Rob



>  For his second TD, Newton lined up in the shotgun on third-and-goal from the 
> 1, which for most QBs would seem like an odd call.
> Why start 5 yards behind the line instead of right up close to the end zone?
> 

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RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Charlie]

I guess we'll know soon. I don't put a lot of stock in the "premium" content
over there. Too many of those "insiders" told us how silly we were to
question Zook are still "insiders"
JMO
Charlie

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:14 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning
whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is
having this year):

I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is
for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside
information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than
just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night.

To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged".

Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key
players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly.

Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry -
Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't
be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was
pressured into hiring too soon.

The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are
confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs
makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free
either.

Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he
hates the way they've been performing.

The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was
apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider
to be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can.

It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that
Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night",
but sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back
on track.

I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a
beatdown on those mangy mutts!

Steve


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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[Cecilia]

HAHAHAHAHA

Cee
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Vega 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:46 AM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 
10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford




  On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Shane Ford wrote:


AUBURN, Ala. — Cam Newton welcomes all those comparisons to Tim Tebow.

"I'll take that any day," Auburn's do-it-all quarterback said.

Just don't bother bringing up the award Tebow won as a sophomore.

"The Heisman Trophy?" Newton said. "You can throw that out the window."



  Am I the only one who sees the irony in this quote?


  -Zeb



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Re: [gatortalk] Revisionist History re: Cam Newton

[Shane Ford]

Ken,

Thanks for putting all the facts in one place.  For some of us, time has erased 
some of these facts from my memory.  The more you hear or read some thing, the 
more it sticks in your brain.  I was beginning to believe the "lie" and 
wondering why Meyer didn't give him another chance.  Thanks for setting me 
straight!

SHANE

GO GATORS! & SKOL VIKES!




From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 3:17:34 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Revisionist History re: Cam Newton


During the Auburn Arkansas game on Saturday they made a statement regarding 
Cam's transfer, basically saying he decided to transfer after Tebow announced 
he 
was coming back for his senior year.  That didn't sound right to me, primarily 
because it isn't true.
 
Cam was arrested 11/21/08 for throwing the Heisman out the window, he announced 
on 1/05/09 that he was transferring to Blinn CC, Tebow announced he was coming 
back at the NC celebration on 1/12/09.  So a full week before Tebow announces, 
somehow Cam already knew...  At the time remember, Cam was suspended from the 
team and Tebow was in Miami for bowl prep.  Cam transferred for the simple 
reason that he had been suspended from the team for comitting a criminal act, 
he 
had the opportunity to rejoin the team but took the option to transfer so he 
could playing time, not because Meyer kicked him off the team.  He had the same 
opportunity to rejoin the team as Chris Rainey, bu we keep hearing about the 
double standard of Meyer.
 
I wish Cam all the best in the world, but the adoration that is being piled on 
him while casually dismissing the 'incident' is just wrong. UF still gets raked 
over the coals for having 30 arrests - guess what Cam was one of those, so why 
doesn't his arrest transfer with him???
 
Also, Cam is the QB he is today because he transferred.  The year as a starter 
in CC was what he needed, he wouldn't have gotten the reps as the backup or 3rd 
string that he got as the starter at Blinn.  That is what made him the better 
QB 
today.

Ken K
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Arthur Polhill]

I've noticed that Uncle has been a bit protective of Johnny with his 
comments...and he should be.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Jay Cicone 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:07:05 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to 
pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it 
already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing 
quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just 
need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, 
“Johnny 
seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his 
receivers”.
 
Let the flaming begin.
 
Ducking for cover.
 
 
From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of 
Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
 
>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he 
was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. 
Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less 
effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block 
for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing 
to 
do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've 
been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are 
run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he 
does 
with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) 
contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:
I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.
 
Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.
 
Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool 
this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. 

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[Arthur Polhill]

Thanks for pointing it out.  It seems to be a pattern of behavior for him.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
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I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: John Vega 
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 10:46:49 AM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 
10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford



On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Shane Ford wrote:

AUBURN, Ala. — Cam Newton welcomes all those comparisons to Tim Tebow.
>"I'll take that any day," Auburn's do-it-all quarterback said.
>Just don't bother bringing up the award Tebow won as a sophomore.
>"The Heisman Trophy?" Newton said. "You can throw that out the window."

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this quote?

-Zeb
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Arthur Polhill]

All of us are hoping for a turnaround and a victory, especially over the Dawgs. 
I never thought Meyer was disengaged, but am sure that he is dissatisfied and 
will work on fixing the team problems.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Steve McKibben 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 10:14:12 AM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning 
whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is 
having this year):

I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is 
for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside 
information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just 
about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night.

To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged".

Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key 
players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly.

Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio 
isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC 
next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured 
into hiring too soon.

The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are 
confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes 
JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either.

Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates 
the way they've been performing.

The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was 
apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to 
be 
"cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can.

It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer 
does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds 
like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track.

I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a 
beatdown on those mangy mutts!

Steve
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Re: [gatortalk] Revisionist History re: Cam Newton

[oliver]

That's exactly right!  Cam could have worked his way back on the team. He was 
off just like Chris Rainey was off. 
Which leads us to the conclusion...
Never throw a Heisman out the window!  :-)

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Ken Kirkley" 
Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:17:34 
To: 
Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Revisionist History re: Cam Newton

During the Auburn Arkansas game on Saturday they made a statement regarding
Cam's transfer, basically saying he decided to transfer after Tebow
announced he was coming back for his senior year.  That didn't sound right
to me, primarily because it isn't true.
 
Cam was arrested 11/21/08 for throwing the Heisman out the window, he
announced on 1/05/09 that he was transferring to Blinn CC, Tebow announced
he was coming back at the NC celebration on 1/12/09.  So a full week before
Tebow announces, somehow Cam already knew...  At the time remember, Cam was
suspended from the team and Tebow was in Miami for bowl prep.  Cam
transferred for the simple reason that he had been suspended from the team
for comitting a criminal act, he had the opportunity to rejoin the team but
took the option to transfer so he could playing time, not because Meyer
kicked him off the team.  He had the same opportunity to rejoin the team as
Chris Rainey, bu we keep hearing about the double standard of Meyer.
 
I wish Cam all the best in the world, but the adoration that is being piled
on him while casually dismissing the 'incident' is just wrong. UF still gets
raked over the coals for having 30 arrests - guess what Cam was one of
those, so why doesn't his arrest transfer with him???
 
Also, Cam is the QB he is today because he transferred.  The year as a
starter in CC was what he needed, he wouldn't have gotten the reps as the
backup or 3rd string that he got as the starter at Blinn.  That is what made
him the better QB today.
 
Ken K
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[gatortalk] Revisionist History re: Cam Newton

[Ken Kirkley]

During the Auburn Arkansas game on Saturday they made a statement regarding
Cam's transfer, basically saying he decided to transfer after Tebow
announced he was coming back for his senior year.  That didn't sound right
to me, primarily because it isn't true.
 
Cam was arrested 11/21/08 for throwing the Heisman out the window, he
announced on 1/05/09 that he was transferring to Blinn CC, Tebow announced
he was coming back at the NC celebration on 1/12/09.  So a full week before
Tebow announces, somehow Cam already knew...  At the time remember, Cam was
suspended from the team and Tebow was in Miami for bowl prep.  Cam
transferred for the simple reason that he had been suspended from the team
for comitting a criminal act, he had the opportunity to rejoin the team but
took the option to transfer so he could playing time, not because Meyer
kicked him off the team.  He had the same opportunity to rejoin the team as
Chris Rainey, bu we keep hearing about the double standard of Meyer.
 
I wish Cam all the best in the world, but the adoration that is being piled
on him while casually dismissing the 'incident' is just wrong. UF still gets
raked over the coals for having 30 arrests - guess what Cam was one of
those, so why doesn't his arrest transfer with him???
 
Also, Cam is the QB he is today because he transferred.  The year as a
starter in CC was what he needed, he wouldn't have gotten the reps as the
backup or 3rd string that he got as the starter at Blinn.  That is what made
him the better QB today.
 
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[sandra alonso]

What I see more than anything is Xavier Nixon getting manhandled by the
opposing team's defensive linemen.  There were times during the Alabama game
that you could see him actually being pushed two or three yards back from
the line of scrimmage (and I mean that to say that the DL was just giving
him a single push and Nixon falling backwards - not a continuous shoving of
Nixon with Nixon fighting back).

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Steve McKibben wrote:

> That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other
> side of that argument.
>
> I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than
> they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion.
> Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely
> because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed
> assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched,
> while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the
> wrong way for someone to pick up.
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas * wrote:
>
>
> This is the most confounding part for me.  They SHOULD be better at the
> spread and zone blocking, but they are not!
>
>
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[oliver]

I'm glad we have an off week. I think Meyer can take control back and turn 
things back around. It will be just in time. 
We lose to Ga and I'm going to be pissed! 
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From: Steve McKibben 
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Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning 
whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is 
having this year):

I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is 
for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside 
information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just 
about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night.

To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged".

Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key 
players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly.

Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio 
isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC 
next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured 
into hiring too soon.

The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are 
confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes 
JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either.

Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates 
the way they've been performing.

The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was 
apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to 
be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can.

It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer 
does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds 
like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track.

I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a 
beatdown on those mangy mutts!

Steve

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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[sandra alonso]

You may have said it before -- I got back on GT (after a short hiatus) just
before the LSU game...!

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Scott Lucas wrote:

> I think I said that same thing, but may have been in another post...
>
> Everyone is not on the same page, everyone is not making the reads
> correctly.  Letting brantley drop back and throw makes it easier to do what
> he does best.  I think that much is obvious, but I do agree that they will
> struggle running from that as well, and that can be as much to do with our
> running backs as it does witht the blocking...
>
> "Steve McKibben"  wrote:
>
> >That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other
> side of that argument.
> >
> >I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than
> they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion.
> Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely
> because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed
> assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched,
> while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the
> wrong way for someone to pick up.
> >
> >--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >This is the most confounding part for me.  They SHOULD be better at the
> spread and zone blocking, but they are not!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

I think I said that same thing, but may have been in another post...

Everyone is not on the same page, everyone is not making the reads correctly.  
Letting brantley drop back and throw makes it easier to do what he does best.  
I think that much is obvious, but I do agree that they will struggle running 
from that as well, and that can be as much to do with our running backs as it 
does witht the blocking...

"Steve McKibben"  wrote:

>That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other side 
>of that argument.
>
>I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than 
>they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion. 
>Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely 
>because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed 
>assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched, 
>while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the 
>wrong way for someone to pick up.
>
>--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is the most confounding part for me.  They SHOULD be better at the spread 
>and zone blocking, but they are not!   
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Steve McKibben]

That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other side of 
that argument.

I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than they 
are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion. Look at 
the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely because our 
player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed assignment that 
allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched, while there are two 
linemen on a single player, and often one looking the wrong way for someone to 
pick up.

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas  wrote:







This is the most confounding part for me.  They SHOULD be better at the spread 
and zone blocking, but they are not!   






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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

"Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of 
offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking 
schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current 
group."

This is the most confounding part for me.  They SHOULD be better at the spread 
and zone blocking, but they are not!  They are doing much better in man to man 
blocking schemes and knowing the QB is going to drop back and pass.  It really 
seems that the whole offense is not on the same page, no cohesiveness.  
Everyone 
should be making the same reads, whether you are a QB, O-lineman, WR, or RB.  
They must all see the same and react similarly and in conjunction with each 
other.  I don't think we have the conjunction part down.  Some may be seeing it 
and reacting appopriately, others are not.  This leads to problems like we are 
experiencing where unexplained defenders go untouched to our QB or routes are 
cutoff or passes thrown when they shouldn't be.  What else explains the 
propensity of running a 3 yard route when we need 5 on a third or fourth down?
 
Are we better with Burton?  I don't think so!  If you put him in, we are no 
different than the offense that MSU ran which many have said was horrible when 
you run 29 out of 30 times.  Could we win?  maybe... But we could win with 
Brantley if they allowed him and the offense to be what they do best.  Also, 
how 
many passes has Burton thrown? TWO!  He has run the ball 32 times. Talk about 
becoming one dimensional!
 
 
 
  





From: Steve McKibben 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:31:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of 
offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking 
schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current 
group.

I think the fact that Brantley was so good coming out of high school, and a 
Gator legacy to boot, made it near impossible for Meyer not to recruit. I doubt 
very much that you'll see Meyer recruit QBs in the future that are pure passers 
only. I think all involved are sorry that they haven't been able to have a 
functional offense with Johnny at the helm.  


--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Shane Ford  wrote:


>
>I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths 
>of a passing QB.  Oh, wait!  We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we?  Why are we 
>unable to do it now?  Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run 
>that 
>offense?  
>
>
>Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley.  It would be hard 
>to think he's not at least giving it serious thought.  The worst part is if I 
>were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach 
>Meyer 
>after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like 
>he's a QB that he's not - JMHO.  Jay, do you have room under that canoe?  :-)
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RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

I'm not sure I buy the whole zone blocking thing anyway.  Even in a pro-set
offense the line does zone blocking and you have pulling guards, etc.  I
think the problem is too many missed assignments, rarely having a back in to
block and when we do, he misses.
 
In 2006 our most valuable player was Billy Latsko the FB.  We need to go
back to that set and then we will be able to run.  
 
Ken K
MNGator

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


In an earlier post I touched on the issues that this O-Line has with the
zone/read blocking which they have to do.  I have an opposite opinion.  In
the first half, in which we zone block for this spread nightmare, we are not
doing well at all.  However, when we let them pass protect and run block
normally in the second half, it works!
 
I think there is some merit to them not being ready to do both equally well.
But then if they do one well, why not run it all the time?  We have been
effective in the second half when we let Brantley be Brantley.

I also concur that it is not wholly Brantley's fault.  He has had more than
his fair share of drops.  I do want to point out that the sore thumb is NOT
helping matters and explains the errant passes.  Hopefully he heals up in
the next 2 weeks.
 
I do not think we need to push Burton into the starting role or take away
Brantley's reps.  What he needs is the offense to work to his strength and
the O-line's strength which seems to be a more pro style drop back and block
offense.  It is NOT what we have been doing in every first half to date.
 
We are forcing two square pegs into one round hole-- Brantley and the
O-line.  Both are not running the spread well, but both do better when we
open it up.
 
 

 

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From: Shane Ford 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:23:59 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the
strengths of a passing QB.  Oh, wait!  We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we?
Why are we unable to do it now?  Why can't we dust off the playbooks from
2006 and run that offense?  
 
Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley.  It would be
hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought.  The worst part
is if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for
Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying
to pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO.  Jay, do you have room under
that canoe?  :-)


  _  

From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:05:10 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things
don't improve.  He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate.
He would then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters
program that UF does not and play next year.
 
I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are
better off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the
future.
 
Ken K
MNGator

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jay Cicone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen



I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns
to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward,
but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of
hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the
receivers just need to make those catches", when the unbiased comment should
have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn't
getting the ball to his receivers".

 

Let the flaming begin.

 

Ducking for cover.

 

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

 


>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and
he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive
identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has
been the less effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to
block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has
nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact
that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with
the plays that are run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he
does with the spread, going forward we'll 

Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

In an earlier post I touched on the issues that this O-Line has with the 
zone/read blocking which they have to do.  I have an opposite opinion.  In the 
first half, in which we zone block for this spread nightmare, we are not doing 
well at all.  However, when we let them pass protect and run block normally in 
the second half, it works!

I think there is some merit to them not being ready to do both equally well.  
But then if they do one well, why not run it all the time?  We have been 
effective in the second half when we let Brantley be Brantley.

I also concur that it is not wholly Brantley's fault.  He has had more than his 
fair share of drops.  I do want to point out that the sore thumb is NOT helping 
matters and explains the errant passes.  Hopefully he heals up in the next 2 
weeks.

I do not think we need to push Burton into the starting role or take away 
Brantley's reps.  What he needs is the offense to work to his strength and the 
O-line's strength which seems to be a more pro style drop back and block 
offense.  It is NOT what we have been doing in every first half to date.

We are forcing two square pegs into one round hole-- Brantley and the O-line.  
Both are not running the spread well, but both do better when we open it up.



 




From: Shane Ford 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:23:59 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths 
of a passing QB.  Oh, wait!  We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we?  Why are we 
unable to do it now?  Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run 
that 
offense?  


Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley.  It would be hard 
to think he's not at least giving it serious thought.  The worst part is if I 
were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer 
after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like 
he's a QB that he's not - JMHO.  Jay, do you have room under that canoe?  :-)





From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:05:10 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things don't 
improve.  He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate.  He would 
then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters program that UF 
does not and play next year.
 
I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are better 
off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the future.

Ken K
MNGator



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jay Cicone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to 
pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it 
already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing 
quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just 
need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, 
“Johnny 
seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his 
receivers”.
 
Let the flaming begin.
 
Ducking for cover.
 
 
From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of 
Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
 
>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he 
was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. 
Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less 
effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block 
for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing 
to 
do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've 
been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are 
run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he 
does 
with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) 
contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:
I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.
 
Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.
 
Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool 
this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. 

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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

I'm sure all parties are very sorry now! I've read that Driskel has an 
excellent arm but also is a very good runner. I suppose the bright side in all 
of this is the recruiting of him has probably gotten easier. I'm sure he sees 
that he can get almost immediate playing time if he signs on. 

Steve, I hadn't thought about he difference in the O-line blocking schemes 
between then and now. I know that would make a huge difference. 

I'm ready for basketball season! Any one else?

Shane Ford
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On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Steve McKibben  wrote:

> Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of 
> offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking 
> schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current 
> group.
> 
> I think the fact that Brantley was so good coming out of high school, and a 
> Gator legacy to boot, made it near impossible for Meyer not to recruit. I 
> doubt very much that you'll see Meyer recruit QBs in the future that are pure 
> passers only. I think all involved are sorry that they haven't been able to 
> have a functional offense with Johnny at the helm.  
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Shane Ford  wrote:
> 
> I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the 
> strengths of a passing QB.  Oh, wait!  We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we?  
> Why are we unable to do it now?  Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 
> 2006 and run that offense? 
>  
> Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley.  It would be 
> hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought.  The worst part is 
> if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for 
> Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to 
> pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO.  Jay, do you have room under 
> that canoe?  :-)
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> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[Steve McKibben]

If ESPN Gameday comes to UF for the Auburn game next year I think I know what 
will be on my sign...
AUBURN, Ala. — Cam Newton welcomes all those comparisons to Tim Tebow."I'll 
take that any day," Auburn's do-it-all quarterback said.Just don't bother 
bringing up the award Tebow won as a sophomore."The Heisman Trophy?" Newton 
said. "You can throw that out the window."

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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Steve McKibben]

Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of 
offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking 
schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current 
group.

I think the fact that Brantley was so good coming out of high school, and a 
Gator legacy to boot, made it near impossible for Meyer not to recruit. I doubt 
very much that you'll see Meyer recruit QBs in the future that are pure passers 
only. I think all involved are sorry that they haven't been able to have a 
functional offense with Johnny at the helm.  

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Shane Ford  wrote:

I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths 
of a passing QB.  Oh, wait!  We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we?  Why are we 
unable to do it now?  Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run 
that offense?  
 
Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley.  It would be hard 
to think he's not at least giving it serious thought.  The worst part is if I 
were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer 
after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like 
he's a QB that he's not - JMHO.  Jay, do you have room under that canoe?  :-)

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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths 
of a passing QB.  Oh, wait!  We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we?  Why are we 
unable to do it now?  Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run 
that 
offense?  


Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley.  It would be hard 
to think he's not at least giving it serious thought.  The worst part is if I 
were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer 
after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like 
he's a QB that he's not - JMHO.  Jay, do you have room under that canoe?  :-)





From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:05:10 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things don't 
improve.  He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate.  He would 
then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters program that UF 
does not and play next year.
 
I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are better 
off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the future.

Ken K
MNGator



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jay Cicone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to 
pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it 
already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing 
quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just 
need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, 
“Johnny 
seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his 
receivers”.
 
Let the flaming begin.
 
Ducking for cover.
 
 
From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of 
Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
 
>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he 
was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. 
Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less 
effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block 
for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing 
to 
do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've 
been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are 
run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he 
does 
with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) 
contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:
I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.
 
Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.
 
Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool 
this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. 

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RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Jay Cicone]

I don't have a canoe. I guess you could bash my scull in. ;-)

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:21 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

 

Are you using your canoe for shelter?  :-)

 



From: Jay Cicone 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:07:05 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line
learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a
bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection.
I get tired of hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball
there and the receivers just need to make those catches", when the
unbiased comment should have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems
with the pressure and isn't getting the ball to his receivers".

 

Let the flaming begin.

 

Ducking for cover.

 

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

 

>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability,
and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our
offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent,
Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to
block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it
has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with
the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort
level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than
he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and
Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:

I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.

 

Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.

 

Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help
retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust.

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(1996),
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2008 National Football Champions | 
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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
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(1996),
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

Are you using your canoe for shelter?  :-)





From: Jay Cicone 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:07:05 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen


I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to 
pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it 
already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing 
quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just 
need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, 
“Johnny 
seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his 
receivers”.
 
Let the flaming begin.
 
Ducking for cover.
 
 
From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of 
Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
 
>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he 
was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. 
Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less 
effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block 
for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing 
to 
do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've 
been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are 
run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he 
does 
with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) 
contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:
I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.
 
Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.
 
Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool 
this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. 

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2008 National Football Champions | 
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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- 
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2008 National Football Champions | 
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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things
don't improve.  He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate.
He would then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters
program that UF does not and play next year.
 
I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are
better off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the
future.
 
Ken K
MNGator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jay Cicone
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen



I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns
to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward,
but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of
hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the
receivers just need to make those catches", when the unbiased comment should
have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn't
getting the ball to his receivers".

 

Let the flaming begin.

 

Ducking for cover.

 

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

 


>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and
he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive
identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has
been the less effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to
block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has
nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact
that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with
the plays that are run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he
does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and
Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:

I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.

 

Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.

 

Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help
retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust.

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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

-- 
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1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

[gatortalk] Basketball season tickets mailed

[Arthur Polhill]

I just talked to the Gator Ticket Office. Basketball season tickets are being 
mailed today from a specialty printer in Arkansas. The first game (exhibition) 
is 10/28, 7pm in the O'Dome against Fla. Tech.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 

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RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Jay Cicone]

I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line
learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a
bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection.
I get tired of hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball
there and the receivers just need to make those catches", when the
unbiased comment should have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems
with the pressure and isn't getting the ball to his receivers".

 

Let the flaming begin.

 

Ducking for cover.

 

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

 

>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability,
and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our
offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent,
Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to
block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it
has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with
the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort
level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than
he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and
Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:

I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.

 

Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.

 

Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help
retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust.

-- 
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1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel
(1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

-- 
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1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[Shane Ford]

Nope!  I laughed my (you know what off) while I was posting that this morning.  
I wondered who would catch it first and how long it would take.  :-)





From: John Vega 
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:46:49 AM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 
10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford



On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Shane Ford wrote:

AUBURN, Ala. — Cam Newton welcomes all those comparisons to Tim Tebow.
>"I'll take that any day," Auburn's do-it-all quarterback said.
>Just don't bother bringing up the award Tebow won as a sophomore.
>"The Heisman Trophy?" Newton said. "You can throw that out the window."

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this quote?

-Zeb
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Steve McKibben]

>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he 
>was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. 
>Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the 
>less effective "side" of our offense.

I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block 
for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing 
to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that 
they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays 
that are run with Burton at QB.

Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he 
does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and 
Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far.

John Vega  wrote:
I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.
Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.
Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool 
this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust.

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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[Jay Cicone]

That's ironic?

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Vega
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:47 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN
For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

 

 

On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Shane Ford wrote:





AUBURN, Ala. - Cam Newton welcomes all those comparisons to Tim Tebow
 .

"I'll take that any day," Auburn's do-it-all quarterback said.

Just don't bother bringing up the award Tebow won as a sophomore.

"The Heisman Trophy?" Newton said. "You can throw that out the window."

 

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this quote?

 

-Zeb

 

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Re: [gatortalk] Big Mo

[Helen Huntley]

Yes, let's!

I think the gloom is about people having given up on the possibility of
beating UGA and FSU. Maybe we'll save the season yet!


On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:02 AM, John Vega  wrote:

>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:49 AM, jfranl wrote:
>
> *  Perhaps, it is a blessing in disguise since the obvious problems have
> come all at once rather than one at a time (I always like to look at the
> positive side  **J** )*
>
>
> We still control our destiny.
>
> Despite all that can happen, we could still win the SEC. Think about that.
> I cherish those things, still angry that we don't have 1984, 1985 and 1990.
> I think it would be spectacular to have a shot in the SEC Championship game.
>
> We still can beat our two most annoying rivals; FSU and Georgia. We've
> already put the toothless ones in their place.
>
> OK, we are out of the MNC race. So what? Let's go kick a dawg!
>
> -Zeb
>
>
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Re: [gatortalk] Big Mo

[John Vega]

On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:49 AM, jfranl wrote:

  Perhaps, it is a blessing in disguise since the obvious problems  
have come all at once rather than one at a time (I always like to  
look at the positive side  J )


We still control our destiny.

Despite all that can happen, we could still win the SEC. Think about  
that. I cherish those things, still angry that we don't have 1984,  
1985 and 1990. I think it would be spectacular to have a shot in the  
SEC Championship game.


We still can beat our two most annoying rivals; FSU and Georgia.  
We've already put the toothless ones in their place.


OK, we are out of the MNC race. So what? Let's go kick a dawg!

-Zeb


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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[John Vega]

On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Steve McKibben wrote:

Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry  
- Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely  
that he won't be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach)  
and that he feels he was pressured into hiring too soon.


I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler.

Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio.

Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to  
help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust.


-Zeb

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[gatortalk] Big Mo

[jfranl]

   Being a big fan of momentum and mental psyche, I think that if Deonte
Thompson had caught the first TD pass in the first game instead of dropping
it and Pouncey had centered the ball correctly and a couple of other,
somewhat small things had clicked, we would be undefeated and rolling (to
some degree.)  

  However, it went down hill from there, with the offensive line getting
pounded and Rainey getting arrested and on and on.  Now the Big Mo is gone
and the team has lost confidence and the bad vibes have trickled over to the
defense and the special teams and it is now a flood.  I am not saying that
things would be rosy but it would not be this bad.  

  Perhaps, it is a blessing in disguise since the obvious problems have come
all at once rather than one at a time (I always like to look at the positive
side  :-) )

Fran

 

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:14 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

 


Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning
whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is
having this year):

I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is
for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside
information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than
just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night.

To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged".

Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key
players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly.

Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry -
Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't
be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was
pressured into hiring too soon.

The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are
confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs
makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free
either.

Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he
hates the way they've been performing.

The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was
apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider
to be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can.

It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that
Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night",
but sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back
on track.

I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a
beatdown on those mangy mutts!

Steve

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Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

I don't agree.  We have great players now and are not winning because we are 
not 
running an offense or plays that suit their strengths.

Say what you want about Dan Mullen, but the guy knew what he had, he developed 
a 
gameplan that would work with what he had, and he won the game.  You can't 
argue 
against that.  You can say he hung on and got lucky, but he saw what teams have 
done to us in the first half.  He got a lead and he held on.  Granted it was 
not 
as large of a lead as Bama or LSU, but it was enough nonetheless.

A win is a win.  He got it, we didn't.  We were out coached and out gameplanned.

If I told you that the Gators could hire our next coach that could do more with 
less, I think we would all welcome that.  As we sit now, we do less with more.  
We are vastly more talented than MSU and more talented than LSU to a lesser 
degree.  Bama is the only loss we should legitmately have IF we had the right 
people in the right spots in the right offense.


 




From: Badrish 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 10:46:49 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

I agree!

On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much
> because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his
> play-calling, not because of it.  He showed that again Saturday night. They
> didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good
> game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They tried
> to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is
> certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote:
>
>> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have not
>> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for Urban's
>> success at Florida and previously.
>>
>> Let that sink in.
>>
>> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
>> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  Oh
>> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It was
>> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference,
>> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them.
>> That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare.
>> He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
>>
>> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense work
>> with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and
>> we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, modified the
>> offense, and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we
>> don't modify and we are losing horribly.  But what has Dan done?  He went
>> to an underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he modified and is
>> winning.  He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with
>> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools
>> he has...
>>
>> Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times
>> against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.
>> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say
>> what LSU did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  He
>> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of
>> player than Bama and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us.
>>
>> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our
>> personnel.  Dan wouldn't do this.  We are trying to force TOO many square
>> pegs into round holes.  Dan wouldn't do this either.
>>
>> You think it is just about Brantley?  It is not.  Without adequate
>> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running
>> backs will go nowhere.  Especially a 190 pound running back when you run
>> right up the middle.  It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there is
>> in front of you is a wall of defenders.  We have no solid tight end
>> threat.  We have hybrids.  We have kids playing positions that they can
>> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, at least not yet.  Dan wouldn't do
>> this.
>>
>> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat.  Are all these blue
>> chip recruits suddenly slow?  Or can Brantley just not complete the long
>> ball?  Or are we just plain not calling them?  And where is the mention of
>> our QB coach?  Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him?
>> Is he all of a sudden a bad coach?  I haven't heard his name mention since
>> Tebow left.  Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach?
>>
>> Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team,
>> can't even figure out what to do with this offense either.  They may be
>> ill suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first hal

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews From The Gainesville SUN For 10/19, 8:00AM Edition Courtesy of Shane Ford

[John Vega]

On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Shane Ford wrote:


AUBURN, Ala. — Cam Newton welcomes all those comparisons to Tim Tebow.

"I'll take that any day," Auburn's do-it-all quarterback said.
Just don't bother bringing up the award Tebow won as a sophomore.
"The Heisman Trophy?" Newton said. "You can throw that out the  
window."


Am I the only one who sees the irony in this quote?

-Zeb

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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

Thanks, Steve for summing up what you read for those of us that can't afford a 
pay site right now. 

It makes me feel much better to hear these points. I hope Meyer is pissed and 
ready to make some wholesale changes. If I were Foley and he didn't, then it 
would be time for me to sit down with my head coach and evaluate his 
production, desire and commitment to our school.

As long as Adazio is not the OC next year, I'll be happy. I'm not sold on the 
new DC either. The QB coach is questionable and our WRs are playing like crap 
for the most part. 

I wondered why Newton wasn't shown the same leniency as other players. I always 
figured maybe he wasn't prepared to work hard to get back into the program? 

Anyway.  Like most of us, I want answers, and I want the Coach Meyer from 2009 
and before back. The one that had the passion for winning. 

In all kinds of weather..

Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone
Go Gators!

On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Steve McKibben  wrote:

> Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning 
> whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is 
> having this year):
> 
> I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is 
> for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside 
> information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than 
> just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night.
> 
> To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged".
> 
> Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key 
> players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly.
> 
> Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio 
> isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC 
> next year - probably  OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured 
> into hiring too soon.
> 
> The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are 
> confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs 
> makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free 
> either.
> 
> Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he 
> hates the way they've been performing.
> 
> The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was 
> apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to 
> be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can.
> 
> It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that 
> Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but 
> sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on 
> track.
> 
> I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly  enough to put a 
> beatdown on those mangy mutts!
> 
> Steve
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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[Steve McKibben]

Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning 
whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is 
having this year):

I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is 
for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside 
information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just 
about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night.

To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged".

Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key 
players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly.

Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio 
isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC 
next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured 
into hiring too soon.

The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are 
confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes 
JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either.

Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates 
the way they've been performing.

The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was 
apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to 
be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can.

It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer 
does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds 
like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track.

I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a 
beatdown on those mangy mutts!

Steve

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Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[jlimb]

I'm not sure where all this hate for Mullen comes from. Yes, he relied too much 
on Tebow and Harvin, but most of the time it worked. He also came up with some 
brilliant play calls: the jump pass, the Tebow rocker step, the play right 
before the half against OSU where Tebow took a step towards the LOS, then ran 
parallel to it before passing to Caldwell for the TD. 


- Original Message - 
From: "jfranl"  
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:14:54 AM 
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen 

Amen, Brother!! I don't want him back either. I always thought that 
superior talent would trump a mediocre offensive play caller, but I guess I 
was wrong. The wheels have fallen off the wagon! Fran 


-Original Message- 
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Badrish 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:47 PM 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen 

I agree! 

On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com  wrote: 
> Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much 
> because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his 
> play-calling, not because of it. He showed that again Saturday night. 
They 
> didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good 
> game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They 
tried 
> to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is 
> certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back. 
> 
> Rob 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote: 
> 
>> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this: We have not 
>> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for 
Urban's 
>> success at Florida and previously. 
>> 
>> Let that sink in. 
>> 
>> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless. A shell of its former self. 
>> Former? Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots. Oh 
>> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati. Whoopie! It was 
>> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference, 
>> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them. 
>> That is Adazzio's best game. A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare. 
>> He has not accomplished anything real other than that. 
>> 
>> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success? He makes his offense work 
>> with what he has. He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and 
>> we won with him. Won it all. We had our Tebow years, modified the 
>> offense, and we won with him. Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we 
>> don't modify and we are losing horribly. But what has Dan done? He went 
>> to an underachieving school. Looked at what he had, he modified and is 
>> winning. He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with 
>> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools 
>> he has... 
>> 
>> Dan does what MUST be done to win. He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times 
>> against us. Why? It was working and it was what he needed to do to win. 
>> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it. He say 
>> what LSU did to us, and he copied it. He is adjusting... modifying. He 
>> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of 
>> player than Bama and LSU had. This does not bode well for us. 
>> 
>> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our 
>> personnel. Dan wouldn't do this. We are trying to force TOO many square 
>> pegs into round holes. Dan wouldn't do this either. 
>> 
>> You think it is just about Brantley? It is not. Without adequate 
>> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running 
>> backs will go nowhere. Especially a 190 pound running back when you run 
>> right up the middle. It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there 
is 
>> in front of you is a wall of defenders. We have no solid tight end 
>> threat. We have hybrids. We have kids playing positions that they can 
>> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, at least not yet. Dan wouldn't do 
>> this. 
>> 
>> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat. Are all these blue 
>> chip recruits suddenly slow? Or can Brantley just not complete the long 
>> ball? Or are we just plain not calling them? And where is the mention 
of 
>> our QB coach? Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him? 
>> Is he all of a sudden a bad coach? I haven't heard his name mention 
since 
>> Tebow left. Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach? 
>> 
>> Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team, 
>> can't even figure out what to do with this offense either. They may be 
>> ill suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first half offense 
>> relies on. They seem to do MUCH better in the second half when Brantley 
>> starts throwing it around, when they a