Re: [gentoo-user] xfs, ext3, jfs, reiserfs
Redeeman wrote: i am looking for a filesystem where its almost impossible to loose data, i experience power loss quite often A backup UPS might be a better solution dies, i never lost files when i used fat32 I'm not bashing DOS or Windows, but if that's true, you simply *got* *lucky*. You're looking for a journaling filesystem as they help in cases like yours. FAT32 isn't a journaling fs though. but i want a unix filesystem, so far i think ext3 is okay, but it has anyway brought me some problems, and reiserfs did too, i wonder which is most stable due to system power loss? i dont need any extreme performance or anything, I use ext3 with no issues myself, for what that's worth. I've read good things about XFS recently. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting the ethernet speed on at 3c59x ethernet card.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gkrellm 1 vs gkrellm 2
At 01:11 PM 11/28/2003, you wrote: On Friday 28 Nov 2003 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 031128 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: gkrellm2 has support for sensors built in. thanx to Peter Ruskin. i bit more poking around shows it does indeed. however, there doesn't seem to be any way of changing the location, which is in the middle of the display (unlike Gkrellm 1 , which asks). From `man gkrellm2`: OPTIONS -g, --geometry +x+y Makes gkrellm move to an (x,y) position on the screen at startup. Standard X window geometry position (not size) formats are parsed, ie +x+y -x+y +x-y -x-y. Except, negative geometry positions are not recognized (ie +-x--y ). I believe he's referring to how gkrellm v1.x asks you where you want a particular box, not the entire gkrellm window. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] idea for a installer
At 10:11 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote: i got this idea for a installer. snip be smart if the system got corrupted or for multiply install just an idea, what do you think? What do we think as in our opinions ?? I've personally got NOTHING against text-mode installers myself. Honestly, what benefit does a GUI installer give over a text one ? Gentoo is a distro where you *need* to know how to use the command line and I like it that way. Otherwise, you may want to check into the -devel mailing lists as well as gentoo-desktop and gentoo-desktop-research. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
At 03:06 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote: brett holcomb wrote: Apology accepted but non-free does not equal warez in any sense of the workd. There is nothing wrong with commerical stuff as many people earn an honest living from it. As well as commercial is not the same as non-free. Outside of Debian, I think people consider software free if they can download it, use it, and NOT have to pay for it. I do at least. Adobe's Acrobat Reader or Netscape Navigator (v4.x, for example) are free in my opinion. They're not to you, are they ?? Same with Opera's web browser. Yes ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
At 03:07 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote: This forum's name is fairly illustrative of it's purpose: to discuss issues relating to using the distribution. Before I decide, if I want to use a distribution, I want to know something about it. Here are my questions and I need answers to draw a conclusion. I'm willing to bet that most people choose a distro based on install ease, choice of packages, built-in tools, and so on -- NOT the political idealogy of the distro. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
At 04:38 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: At 03:07 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote: This forum's name is fairly illustrative of it's purpose: to discuss issues relating to using the distribution. Before I decide, if I want to use a distribution, I want to know something about it. Here are my questions and I need answers to draw a conclusion. I'm willing to bet that most people choose a distro based on install ease, choice of packages, built-in tools, and so on -- NOT the political idealogy of the distro. How this can help *me*? Sorry, but I, as well as everyone else who's responded to you hasn't interpreted your questions as you looking for help. It's you trying to get Gentoo's religious philosophy in regards to what free really means. As numerous people have told you, YOU'RE ASKING THE WRONG GROUP. These questions should be directed at the management of Gentoo. If you can't find out who they are -- I don't know either, nor do I care -- then go right to the man, Daniel Robbins. Do you think what most people do is a good reason to change my criterions? You're obviously not the type to do what most people do. :-) I believe people should use what is best for them and not have others decide for them. You ask below about using Windows because most people use it. That's not why I use it, mind you. I use it because it often is the best tool for my needs. BTW most people use MS Windows, do you follow advices you give to other people? I've got (4) working PCs at home. Mine dual-boots WinXP and Gentoo. My old PC dual-boots Win98 and Debian, but is running just Debian now. Another PC runs Mandrake and was originally setup to be a file server but since our two main PCs have many, many times the disc space, it's more or less just wasting electricity. Finally, my wife's PC runs WinXP alone. I also have a Sparc20 with Debian installed on it, but it's nor running. It's too loud... :-) Why do I have so many ?? Because *I* want to. *I* use what *I* want to use and I frankly don't give a rat's *ss about software freedom, free beer, and so on. If a tool I need works best on WinXP, I'm going to use WinXP. I *want* to use Linux across the board, but I know that it's not completely capable of replacing WinXP -- for my use. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo user -- Questions
You could go with gs-sources as it's based on an even *newer* kernel, 2.4.23_pre8 or pre9. I switched to that and my attempts at getting USB mouse, keyboard, and digital camera went away (not without add'l work, mind you ... that add'l work *may* have worked with an older kernel too). Hall At 10:06 AM 11/18/2003, you wrote: Installing the 2.4.22 kernel (gentoo-test-sources) made all of my acpi problems go away -- and all of my system resource usage issues (real or perceived) go away too. :-) How long does it usually take for a package like gentoo-test-sources to be approved for the stable system? Thanks, -Luke On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 18:06, Luke Scharf wrote: Thanks - I'll give that a try, since the stock kernel seems to like to suck up a lot of CPU cycles at odd times. It's probably related to the ACPI hack that I used... I really like this system, though -- all of the advantages of Debian, except that I get access to free-as-in-beer software and I get up to date packages without having to go to unstable. :-) -Luke On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 21:45, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Go into /usr/portage/sys-kernel and in some of the directories you will find 2.6 kernel ebuilds. This directory contains subdirectories for all the kernels available. However, only some kernels have 2.6 versions. Peruse the subdirectories in sys-kernel and pick one you like. You'll have to use the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge ./ebuildname technique while you are in the subdirectory for the kernel. On Sunday 16 November 2003 21:28, you wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 21:08, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2003 20:51, you wrote: So far, it's a really good -- especially for something that appears at first glance to be bleeding edge. One of the reasons I'm running it on my personal machine is to find out how often the packages get broken. That way, I can decide if it makes sense to run it at work. If you do not use ~arch (i.e. ~x86) routinely you'll be installing stable packages. If you use ~arch for everything you're experimenting G. I do NOT have ~x86 in my /etc/make.conf but when I want to merge a package that is masked I do ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge packagename Cool. I prefer to stay with stable stuff by default. :-) So, if I wanted to experiment with the 2.5 or 2.6 kernel, what package would I emerge? I just checked and emerge -s gentoo-sources and it appears to only have the 2.4.20-r8 under that name. Thanks! -Luke -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Syntax to upgrade kernel
At 12:07 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote: # make clean dep # make bzImage modules # make modules_install # cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-gentoo-r8 I suppose arch/i386/boot/bzImage will be created after make modules_install No, make bzImage actually creates that file. The instructions have seemingly always been written this way and they've stuck. It's not really important either way. 3. optional: if you use nvidia-kernel # cd /lib/modules # touch 2.4.20-gentoo-r7/video/nvidia.o (should be enough to protect r7's nvidia modules, but it would be better to # emerge nvidia-kernel What is nvidia-kernel? Do you use an nVidia video card ?? If not, disregard that step. If you do, here's a very brief description: http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r4. You may also want nvidia-glx too. Read about it here, http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?nvidia-glx-1.0.4496-r1. They simply provide optimized performance of your video card under X-Windows. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo user -- Questions
At 03:23 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote: When using gs-sources, is there any way to get genkernel to automagically copy the bzImage to /boot and run make modules_install like it does with the other kernels? You know, I've been using this for years make install It doesn't do 'make modules_install' that I know of though. Maybe it does, but since I've already done it by hand, it skips through it. What 'make install' does, by the way, is copy bzImage and rename it 'vmlinuz-(uname -r)' to /boot, create symlinks from that vmlinuz-(uname -r) to 'vmlinuz', create System.map-(uname -r) and symlinks and finally runs '/sbin/lilo'. Actually, it just prompts you to run it and you say Y or N. If you use GRUB, I don't know what it does at that step. This is not something I made up either. I read it in a kernel README or Documention item years ago. It still works and seems to work okay. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how hot is too hot
At 10:02 PM 11/16/2003, you wrote: Thank you everyone for your suggestions and comments. I went out to the site where the box is located and restarted it to get to the BIOS. There, it says the temps were 54C and 52C for the processors. I guess that lm_sensors is just way off. lm-sensors doesn't make up numbers. It uses numbers based on the way it's configured. Configure it properly and you'll be set. The key is figuring out what sensors are what, i.e. CPU diode, chipset diode, etc, etc. After that, there's occassions where you have to take the values it's getting and divide them by 'x', multiply by 'y', or subtract '-z' to get the proper values. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] howto? emerge gentoo-test-sources
At 10:10 AM 11/17/2003, you wrote: tagged as masked I read doc and get pointed to forum on masked packages I read forum on masked packages and do as they say and look in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask BUT no kernel packages are masked in that file So, what's the trick? I'd like to know also in regards to *any* package, not just this particular kernel. Is it simply because it's an ~x86 package (usually) ?? I was looking for a package over the weekend and it was [Masked]. Using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 certainly would get me the package I was after along with two dozen additional packages. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how hot is too hot
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 04:51, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Marshal Newrock wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote: I have a server that has dual Athlon MP 2200+'s. Each processor has the HSF that came in the package with the processor. I have 2 case fans: one at the front pulling in air and one at the back pulling the air out. The box has been up for 45 days and has been nothing but stable. Earlier today, I installed lm_sensors to read the temperature sensors on the motherboard. Both processors' temperatures are hovering around 85C. While the server had been stable, are the processors running that hot gonna cause problems somewhere down the line? lm-sensors may be off by a factor of 2 (or possibly some other amount). You probably should reboot so you can see what the temps and voltages are in your BIOS, and calibrate lm-sensors accordingly. I think if your CPU's really were 85C, your computer would have turned itself off. This is a production machine and I really don't feel like driving out to where its located just to check the temperature. Stop using lm-sensors then. You HAVE to synchronize lm-sensors temps with a known accurate reading. The only way to get that is to reboot the machine and get the temps from the BIOS (or get a sensors.conf file from someone with the EXACT same board). Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how hot is too hot
As others have mentioned, 85C is simply way too hot. The max operating temperature that AMD lists for my Athlon CPU is 75C. I've never seen it go above 50C, by the way. Your BIOS probably has a high-temp warning or safety available, though it not be disabled. If the CPU temp goes above some value, it will warn you, I would assume by beeping. If it goes above a higher temp, it will simply shut the machine down. If you're truly at 85C -- note that NO ONE other than you believes it's really that high -- it would surely shut down. If it hasn't, you've likely greatly decreased the life of the CPUs. Hall On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 04:50, Andrew Gaffney wrote: I searched around with google and on the forums. I tried a few different sensors.conf for other people with the same board (MSI K7DMaster) and the temps stayed the same every time. I guess that means they really are that hot. William Kenworthy wrote: Have you configured your sensors.conf file to suit the motherboard: those vales are a bit sus. BillK On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 15:18, Andrew Gaffney wrote: I have a server that has dual Athlon MP 2200+'s. Each processor has the HSF that came in the package with the processor. I have 2 case fans: one at the front pulling in air and one at the back pulling the air out. The box has been up for 45 days and has been nothing but stable. Earlier today, I installed lm_sensors to read the temperature sensors on the motherboard. Both processors' temperatures are hovering around 85C. While the server had been stable, are the processors running that hot gonna cause problems somewhere down the line? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Genius Optical Wireless USB mouse wheel won't work
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 04:46, Alexandru GHERMAN wrote: Hello, I just moved to Gentoo for 2 weeks and I'm very enthusiastic about it. I'll stay with it for a long time. I got everything working but my wheel doesn't want to work. I have a Genius Optical wireless mouse. The mouse is working ok and in XF86Config I have the following config: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol PS/2 Option Device /dev/psaux EndSection If I try other protocols such as ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2 the mouse doesn't stay on the screen when I move it (and I have USB support built in kernel). How is the mouse connected, via USB or the PS/2 port ?? The line Option Device /dev/psaux is for PS/2 connections. If it's USB, change that to /dev/input/mice. Is this your mouse ?? http://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse6.html#32 Looks like you guessed wrong. :-) Using PS/2, the wheel won't work. You might try Auto first. Good luck Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] removing color
At 01:29 AM 11/14/2003, you wrote: Is there a command line program or script I can filter something through to remove color? For example, if I want to run 'emerge' and get output with no color, how can I do this? From memory 'emerge --no-color' Check 'emerge --help' to be sure. It might be --no-colors. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] removing color
At 09:36 AM 11/14/2003, you wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: At 01:29 AM 11/14/2003, you wrote: Is there a command line program or script I can filter something through to remove color? For example, if I want to run 'emerge' and get output with no color, how can I do this? From memory 'emerge --no-color' Check 'emerge --help' to be sure. It might be --no-colors. 'emerge --help | grep color' gives me nothing. Also, neither of those options, or a few variations on them, work. I'd have to check when I get home, but maybe I'm confusing it with 'qpkg'... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] removing color
At 09:38 AM 11/14/2003, you wrote: Spider wrote: begin quote On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:18:02 +0100 Norbert Kamenicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Gaffney wrote: Is there a command line program or script I can filter something through to remove color? For example, if I want to run 'emerge' and get output with no color, how can I do this? man make.conf /color NOCOLOR = [true | false] Defines if color should be disabled by default. Defaults to false. I'm really looking for something more generic. I just used emerge as an example. I want to be able to strip color out of *any* output. You need to disable color in your terminal then. How ?? Sorry, I'm not sure... I know different $TERM variables like 'xterm', 'rxvt', and so on, but those terms support color. Maybe something like TERM=vt100 ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Masked packages... again...
I know to check /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask for files that have been masked, but the package I'm after isn't listed in there. Where else do I look for this stuff ?? I did try ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 and --pretend and the package I'm after shows up. Is that why, 'cause it's considered unstable ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] the problem with ping
At 02:29 AM 11/12/2003, you wrote: is that it never stops anymore with control-c ... I have to use the kill command to stop it. I'm using net-misc/iputils-020927. Is something wrong with my setup? Nope, unless you think the method that 'ping' on Windows works is correct. On Windows, it pings (4) times and stops. On *nix, I don't know how many times it will ping before it stops. If you want it to ping 'x' number of times, use 'ping -c X site', where 'X' is the number of times you want it to ping. You could also create an alias that makes ping only ping x number of times instead of having to specify it each time. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Masked package when upgrading world
At 10:40 AM 11/12/2003, you wrote:
On Thursday 13 November 2003 00:17, Eamon Caddigan wrote:
Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice to hear that you got your problem fixed the correct way. For
future reference, the file /etc/portage/package.{mask,unmask} are only
for adding/ removing from/to /usr/portage/package.mask. If a package
has KEYWORDS=~x86 and you have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86, changing the
above files wont make a bit of difference.
Ahh, that makes sense. Now I wonder if the lack of documentation on this
feature is intentional. I saw some talk on the forums about this feature
being for developers only.
Well, I don't know about that. What I can say though is that no user should
ever unmask something that is hard-masked unless they are fully prepared to
fix it him or herself and that NO bug reports should be submitted. It is
hard-masked because it is known to be buggy.
In fact, many developers don't like the average user running ~arch at all.
Many users run ~arch just to have the latest and greatest but aren't
prepared to handle any problems that may occur and end up just slowing down
the development process which would get packages out of ~arch and into arch
quicker. But how to teach a user to differentiate him or herself...
Debian's unstable branch is pretty much equivalent to ~x86 and but it's
very, very popular. Why ?? Same reason you state: Users want the latest
and greatest, but they want it in the convenience of a package. You
really can't blame us (the users). :-)
Then again, in many cases you can grab just the particular package you want
(and maybe a dependency or two) from ~x86 and be fine. It's when you update
gcc, glibc, and so on that you're treading on dangerous ground.
Hall
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Re: [gentoo-user] X server - no screens found
At 09:57 AM 11/11/2003, you wrote: Hallo, I've got problem with starting X server, i am getting this error Fatal server error no screens found Using vt7 (EE) No devices detected You need to configure XFree. Try running 'xf86config' as root or look in /etc/X11 for a file called XF86Config.example. Rename it to XF86Config and edit it to match your system. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] X server - no screens found
At 11:30 AM 11/11/2003, you wrote: Hall, is this how you solved this problem? simply running the config again? i don't understand how this would fix the problem since you'd want to change to the 'nvidia' driver after running it. Running xf86config should get a *working* X-Windows. Maybe not optimized or using the 'nv' or 'nvidia' driver, but X nonetheless. Get X working in a basic form, then work on other details. Many people try and do nine things at once and fail. Then you don't know which thing is the problem. Hall was assuming the Kamil hadn't run xf86config at all. Which is what I thought from Kamil's email as well. You are correct. I assume quite often and many times assumptions are correct. ;-) Otherwise, are we to assume he DID run something to configure X ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] scaredy cat glibc/downgrade question
At 01:33 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote: Mike Williams wrote: Hihi, I am wanting to take an ~x86 box back to x86 (without waiting weeks, or months). 99.99% of things I'm not worried about downgrading. But then there is glibc (and possible binutils and gcc). At the moment glibc is 2.3.2-r8 with stable at 2.3.2-r1, a minor revision that I don't expect to cause any great trouble. Binutils 2.14.90.0.7-r3 - 2.14.90.0.6-r6. GCC 3.3.2-r2 - 3.2.3-r2. Normally I'm a gung-ho kind of guy, but I can't be doing with install/fixing this box *again* (selinux is too much like hard work). Should I be worried about downgrading? You might be able to do this. (Note: Insert standard disclaimer here. Not tested. Don't cry to me if it breaks something) Create the directory '/etc/portage' if it doesn't exist already. Create the file '/etc/portage/package.mask' and add to it: sys-libs/glibc-2.3.2-r8 sys-devel/binutils-2.14.90.0.7-r3 sys-devel/gcc-3.3.2-r2 Hopefully, this will cause portage to ignore earlier versions than you currently have installed if you set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 and 'emerge -e world'. Don't forget to try ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 and 'emerge -ep world' first !! The p I added is for pretend, but don't really do it yet to see what it's going to replace. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie: cd-writing, spam assasin and date/time
At 03:13 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 11 November 2003 19:49, Hall Stevenson wrote: 3)Right-clicking on the date-time panel in Gnome and clicking Adjust.. throws the error message: Failed to locate a program for configuring date and time Bah ! Do it by hand ! Like this: date 14472003 That's the current time and date when I typed it. It's Month (11), Day (11), Hour (14), Minute (47), Year (2003). It *has* to be 12-digits (I think), so if it were June, you wouldn't type 6, but 06. ntpd (ntpupdate) or rdate are better options :) You know what ?? Until I used Gentoo, I didn't know how to set the clock from the command line !! :-) I don't use Gnome or KDE or similar, so there's no GUI method of adjusting the clock for me so I *have* to know how to do it by hand. I am going to set up ntpd though, since you mention it. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage seems to be against my will
At 03:19 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote: I used to have simgear and flightgear installed for some time but last week I unemerged them. However when I make emerge -up --deep world now I get [ebuild N] dev-games/simgear-0.3.4 [ebuild N] games-simulation/flightgear-0.9.3 as the last lines of the list! I don't want them. Any ideas on why they might be showing up? # nano /var/cache/edb/world Remove the lines containing simgear and flightgear from that file. That's all. :) Is this a bug in emerge/portage or is it too random to track down ?? I had a similar issue last week with /var/cache/edb/world listing the 2.6 kernel package that I emerged to take a look at. When I did that, emerge/portage then thought that that was my current or primary kernel when it wasn't. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie: cd-writing, spam assasin and date/time
At 09:27 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote: It's Mail-SpamAssassin. Doing an emerge --search spamassassin would find it. Something like emerge --search spam or emerge --search assassin likely would also. I tried vanilla Mail-SpamAssassin which didn't give anything. However, on doing a search on 'spam' as you suggested, I got the package name as 'dev-perl/Mail-SpamAssassin' which got emerged (and is now getting installed) Just Mail-SpamAssassin *should* have worked. You don't have to append the package directory that it's in, though doing so is harmless. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Portage seems to be against my will
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 16:34, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: # nano /var/cache/edb/world Remove the lines containing simgear and flightgear from that file. That's all. :) Is this a bug in emerge/portage or is it too random to track down ?? I had a similar issue last week with /var/cache/edb/world listing the 2.6 kernel package that I emerged to take a look at. When I did that, emerge/portage then thought that that was my current or primary kernel when it wasn't. Check to which kernel the symbolic link '/usr/src/linux' points. That's certainly what you mean by primary kernel - I think... Edit /usr/src/linux was linked to 2.4.23_pre8-gss and I thought that emerge would reference that to see what kernel was my primary. /var/cache/edb/virtuals and make sure you delete all entries from virtual/linux-sources that you don't want to be emerged. Ah, and yes - it is a known bug that not all unmerged packages get deleted from the world-file. But I don't think it's a too serious bug, because you can easily fix it with nano/vi/whatever editor you like :) Yeah, but your assuming everyone who uses gentoo is smart enough to edit these files.. Since redhat is going away, in a sense, your already seeing the flood of them coming over here and some of them are not smart enough to know that.. As much as I like helping out on this list, it get rather ugly having to answer the same ones over and over just because its deemed not serious enough.. What are you implying ?? If you're suggesting that I'm not smart enough to edit these files, excuse the f*ck out of me. Can you point me to a DOC at Gentoo's site that details this /var/cache/edb file ?? If so, I'll happily read it so as not to bother you. I've been using Linux for 5 years. Yeah, Gentoo is *new* to me and there are differences that I'm trying to learn. I didn't come from Redhat either... Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Masked package when upgrading world
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 23:14, Eamon Caddigan wrote: I have only two masked packages installed, but they're causing me trouble when updating world. I'm using Tcl and Tk 8.4.4, and the following happens: -- begin: emerge -pvUD world --upgradeonly implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies - !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy =dev-lang/tcl-8.4.4* have been masked. !!!(dependency required by dev-lang/tk-8.4.4 [ebuild]) Try USE=~x86 emerge -uv tk tcl first. That should upgrade your x86 builds by themselves. I just checked this page, http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/dev-lang/index.xml, and the versions listed there are not as new as what you've got, so that's why I assume you used ~x86 to get them at some point. !!! Problem with ebuild sys-apps/man-pages-1.60 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. Let's hope that fixing the above resolves this too. Otherwise, it might be a separate, unrelated issue. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim smilies animated or not
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 06:24, Paulo Jorge de Oliveira Cantante de Matos wrote: Hi all, I have two gentoo systems. One has Gaim for a long time and it has very nice animated smilies and I just emerged gaim and gaim-smilies on the other one. Both have the same latest version of both ebuilds. However the first has animated smilies while the other has not. Any ideas? Is this a preference? Couldn't find it. Since they're animated images, I'll assume for now that they're GIFs. So, what versions of media-libs/giflib and media-libs/libungif do you have ?? Use qpkg gif -v -I to find out. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big binaries ?
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 03:28, Oliver Lange wrote: Hello everybody, Is it normal that executables compiled with GCC 3 for Athlon-XP are so much bigger than pre-compiled binaries from RPMs (i compiled my binaries using -fomit-frame-pointer) ? This is sometimes a trade-off of compiling packages optimally. Doing so can often result in larger binaries. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Masked package when upgrading world
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 09:47, Eamon Caddigan wrote: Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 23:14, Eamon Caddigan wrote: I have only two masked packages installed, but they're causing me trouble when updating world. I'm using Tcl and Tk 8.4.4, and the following happens: -- begin: emerge -pvUD world --upgradeonly implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies - !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy =dev-lang/tcl-8.4.4* have been masked. !!!(dependency required by dev-lang/tk-8.4.4 [ebuild]) Try USE=~x86 emerge -uv tk tcl first. That should upgrade your x86 builds by themselves. I just checked this page, http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/dev-lang/index.xml, and the versions listed there are not as new as what you've got, so that's why I assume you used ~x86 to get them at some point. Yeah, I realize I wasn't very clear: Tcl and Tk are the only masked packages on my system. Trying: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pvu tcl tk Indicates that I have the latest versions installed. This won't help with updating world, unfortunately. I am loathe to update world using ~x86 -- really, I just want to find out which packages have newer stable versions. I imagine this wouldn't be a problem if the ebuilds for Tcl/Tk were slot-aware. I *could* downgrade to 8.3.4, and then install 8.4 by hand in /usr/local, but I really don't want to do that.. Try U instead of u, like this: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pvU tcl tk As I understand it, mixing unstable, i.e. x86 packages, with regular can confuse emerge/portage. The u flag will attempt to actually downgrade you. The U flag won't. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] assigning net.eth? to specific nethwork devices
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 10:08, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: You can autoload the module on boot in the order you want them to be. /etc/modules.autoload is a good start. I have a wired and wireless nic on my laptop, I've noticed the wireless nic sometimes get eth0 and other times eth1. Is there a way to assign a nic to be a choosen eth device? A few different arrangements are detailed in the ETHERNET-HOWTO here, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.4. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: assigning net.eth? to specific nethwork devices
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 10:48, Eamon Caddigan wrote: Jeffrey Smelser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can autoload the module on boot in the order you want them to be. /etc/modules.autoload is a good start. Out of curiosity, what's the difference between /etc/modules.autoload and /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.X? It would make sense if you put non-kernel-version specific modules in the former, but aren't all modules kernel-version specific? What's /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.X ?? Wait, I see... Yeah, it's referenced in the install instructions. I I swear I found /etc/modules.autoload/kernel-2.X referenced somewhere and that's what I use. It works just fine too. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] File transfer with SSH
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:19, Stephen Liu wrote: H Mike, MAL, Alberto and others scp remote:file localfile # user will be the user being used scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:file [EMAIL PROTECTED]:file scp is part of openssh. # epm -q scp/sftp could not find them on Gentoo box # emerge search sftp found dev-perl/net-sftp gnome-extra/gnome-vfs-sftp net-ftp/vsftpd # emerge search scp found net-misc/scponly x11-plugins/ascpu Which of them are the right application to download and install They are part of the ssh package, as was told to you in one of the replies you got. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim smilies animated or not
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:11, Paulo Jorge de Oliveira Cantante de Matos wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 13:49, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 06:24, Paulo Jorge de Oliveira Cantante de Matos wrote: Hi all, I have two gentoo systems. One has Gaim for a long time and it has very nice animated smilies and I just emerged gaim and gaim-smilies on the other one. Both have the same latest version of both ebuilds. However the first has animated smilies while the other has not. Any ideas? Is this a preference? Couldn't find it. Since they're animated images, I'll assume for now that they're GIFs. So, what versions of media-libs/giflib and media-libs/libungif do you have ?? Use qpkg gif -v -I to find out. media-libs/libungif-4.1.0.1b * media-libs/giflib-4.1.0-r3 * on both computers... :-/ Sorry, just a guess. :-) Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Invalid db entry ??
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 12:00, Lindsay Haisley wrote: From time to time I get the following message when emerging a package. What does it mean, and what sort of action should I take to correct it? Auto-cleaning packages ... !!! Invalid db entry: /var/db/pkg/*sys-fs/devfsd!!! Invalid db entry: /var/db/pkg/*sys-fs/devfsd Yeap, many people are seeing it. Here's a couple of posts at Gentoo's forums: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=100539highlight=devfsd http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=102823highlight=devfsd http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=103526highlight=devfsd and here's a bug report on it: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31881 It's not causing me any problems, so I've done nothing about it at this point. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Selection
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 16:31, Mike Hogsett wrote: Ok. So I have read Gentoo Linux Kernel Guide. I want to know, if I elect to `emerge' a kernel other than gentoo-sources do I still use `genkernel' to build it? If so, how do I tell `genkernel' which kernel I want it to build If you haven't yet emerged any kernel package, /usr/src/linux likely doesn't exist. Whichever one you do emerge, I think should create that link. Then genkernel will work with that kernel. In the case of someone already having a link to /usr/src/linux and you emerge a different kernel, I have to believe if does a check to see if /usr/src/linux already exists. If so, it doesn't overwrite it and point to the new kernel. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 16:07, brian connolly wrote: I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I am really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able to install for the documentation provided. As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans for a more automated install script? I don't know if it's meant to be this way, but part of this gentoo philosophy and all is to FORCE you to understand what you're doing. A more automated install script will only help you do one thing: Get Gentoo installed quickly. You won't know how to add users, set the clock, use pipe commands, and so on. With that, there are in progress install instructions that might be better than the ones currently published on Gentoo's website. I myself have minor complaints with them, mainly the way the different stageX installs and GRP installs are mixed together. I've been lucky over the years, I think. Red Hat 5 took me (2) tries. An upgrade to 5.1 as well as a few installs of Mandrake and finally Debian all succeeded on their 1st tries. With Gentoo, it took (3) tries. :-) Do you have a Linux User's group around you ?? Or a friend who's competent in Linux ?? If so, ask for help from them. Even if it's just someone to watch over your shoulder while YOU do the actual work. If someone else does it while you watch, you may as well have bought the PC with Gentoo pre-installed. IMO, you'll learn NOTHING that way. Good luck Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 16:31, Azhdeen wrote: if you tried seven distros in the last week, you're not a total beginner... Nothing against the original poster, but if one tries (7) distros in one week, how much time can possibly be spent with each one ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Querying the Portage database
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 18:23, Thomas Smith wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (switching from RH9) and have become used to RPMs and their query tools. I've been looking for a way to query the Portage database to determine what's installed and get general info regarding the packages--I'm looking for something similar to rpm -qa. At the end of this section--http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml#doc_chap3--in the Portage user manual it indicates that there's an app-admin/gentoolkit to assist with Portage queries. I have yet to find this package or a way to query the Portage database. Can anyone direct me to the package or tools that I need in order to do this? The best you'll get is the 'qpkg' program. Running qpkg by itself is supposed to return installed packages, but it appears to list everything in the portage database. Packages you have installed are marked with an *. Problem is, my limited knowledge of 'grep' doesn't allow me to filter those items marked that way... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] stupid newbie question on where network interfaces are defined
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 14:16, Matthias F. Brandstetter wrote: -- quoting Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC -- On debian it is in /etc/network/interfaces on FreeBSD it is in /etc/rc.conf What about gentoo? /etc/conf.d/net That's one of the few things I don't like in the Linux world, every distro puts it's config stuff into different files, network configuration is a good example. Sure, someone could say: and, why not? Agreed, but I think it would be great if all (I know, _all_ is impossible) distros would put at least some basic config into same files under same location. I would say I know how to handle Linux for most of the time, but when I have to work on a machine with an other distro, I have to spend time to search for some config files, that's odd :( Yeah, I ran into this a few days ago when I wanted to change eth0 from DHCP to a private/static IP. Having used Debian for a couple of years, I wasn't sure if the format and location of the ethX config files they used was standard or not. In fact, I still don't know... Debian puts the info in /etc/network/interfaces. The format is rather simple and looks like this: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian # installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) # automatically added when upgrading auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo 1.4 on a hp6100
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:57, Goran Kavrecic wrote: I've tried to install Gentoo 1.4 on my hp6100. But failed 3 times following 3+GRP procedures. I'm (pretty) sure I've done everything as described. Does anyone has a succesfull story on such machine? Advices also welcome. What's an HP6100 ?? I just did a Google search and it appears to be a multi-function printer/fax/copier. If you get Gentoo installed on that, I'm sure many people would be interested in that !! :-) Ahhh, wait... is it a laptop ?? This page, http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html, has two entries for HP 6100 laptops. A quick scan of each suggests that there's relatively no problems installing Linux on them, save for the modem. I've suggested to people in the past to use the latest available kernel, not including the 2.6 series. On Gentoo, that would be gs-sources (I have seen a gs-testing-sources mentioned before). Does everything appear to work with the LiveCD ?? If so, copy the kernel config file it uses to build your new kernel. Good luck Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lilo warning message
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 17:13, Stefano Carraro wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, when i run lilo, i've got this message: Warning: Int 0x13 function 8 and function 0x48 return different head/sector geometries for BIOS drive 0x80 fn 08: 1023 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors fn 48: 116280 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors Can i do something to prevent it? Do you have 'lba32' specified in your /etc/lilo.conf file ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot logo
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 19:55, SMS WebMaster wrote: Hi 1. How can I make linux display a logo when it boot ? 2. How can I make linux display a big logo in all the script so it hide the init (like in windows when it start) One of Gentoo's FAQ: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=54027 (this will point you to a few different step-by-step guides to do it) Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
At 08:24 AM 11/7/2003, you wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:05, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:59, daniel wrote: On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. Heh, at least Outlook Express can do that !! Evolution can do that! just check the box 'wants to recieve HTML mail' in a contact. I don't know about kmail, but I used it for years (and my wife still uses it), it can be trivially set up to send text Emails by default... I realize I said Outlook Express, but having recently switched to Evolution, from what I've seen so far, it does anything/everything that Outlook does. I used Outlook (in an Exchange environment) for years... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is /var full?
At 06:07 AM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
/var/tmp/{distfiles,portage,portage-pkg} ?
You can delete this.
Really ?? I know you can safely delete /var/tmp/distfiles, but I've always
left the others alone. They do just appear to be directories though with
just one file, .ebuild ??
Not to go off-topic and maybe I'll start a new thread about this, but when
you delete this kind of stuff, how does emerge know how/what to remove when
you do an emerge -C package-name ??
Hall
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to handle 50 files in ... need updating.?
At 12:05 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote: --- Karl-Heinz Zimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after a world update now I got more than 50 config files needing updating and I am wondering if there might be a BETTER way of doing this - better than the usual manually diffing of each single file to see if I can take the old one or the new one or must merge with the new one... Some people will manually diff the files that they know they've touched during intial install. Files that you've never touched or modified by hand I would say its safe to just update those with the new file blindly. I myself still go through each file just to see what the differences are. But then again I have nothing but time on my hands. I have a pretty good idea of what files I've modified myself and only 'diff' those. etc-update might list one that I don't remember editing, but seeing it's name will sometimes help me remember. :-) Finally, look into CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK (I think that's it or something similar) in your /etc/make.conf file. You can list files that you do NOT want the emerge process to touch at all. Two good examples are /etc/fstab or /etc/lilo.conf. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is /var full?
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 22:24, Matt Chorman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 07 November 2003 05:42 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: Really ?? I know you can safely delete /var/tmp/distfiles, but I've always left the others alone. They do just appear to be directories though with just one file, .ebuild ?? Not to go off-topic and maybe I'll start a new thread about this, but when you delete this kind of stuff, how does emerge know how/what to remove when you do an emerge -C package-name ?? Portage stores file information in /var/db/pkg - anything under /var/tmp is just that - temp files that can be safely deleted. Granted, in some ways it is nice to keep that stuff around, but I recently ran out of diskspace as I had 5gigs plus on /var/tmp/portage. Ack! Remove everything under /var/ tmp/portage (leave the portage dir!), without fear of screwing anything up. ;-) Okay, I realize I'm being lazy here, but can I delete the directories distfiles, portage, and portage-pkg, and the files in them obviously, and have emerge/portage re-create those directories ?? Or, should you just delete the files inside and leave the dirs there ?? I do recall a message recently about files in /var/tmp and that apps can expect them to remain there vs being deleted. Is there a bootup script that normally empties /tmp and other 'tmp' dirs ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fstab problem
At 07:46 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: Can anyone please give me some advice as to how to read FreeBSD partitions under Linux? I've tried various options for the ufstype as outlined in the manpages for mount fstab, but without success. /dev/hdb3 is a 20gig partition on which I've installed a FreeBSD filesystem with the usual subpartitions as set up by the 'auto' function in their version of fdisk. I know NOTHING about FreeBSD filesystems or partition types, but it's possible you have to compile support into your kernel for this. Maybe it's already there as a module too though... You should probably check that first. It does appear that ufs is the proper filesytem type as you've specified already. I'd like to have lilo offer it on bootup along with Gentoo Win_XP, but I can't seem to get Gentoo Linux to recognise what's there. This is a whole different issue. Edit /etc/lilo.conf and add an 'image' section for FreeBSD. You'll have multiple image sections already - two, at least, Gentoo and WinXP. Just duplicate the format for the new FreeBSD section. 'root' should be /dev/hdb3, per your /etc/fstab listing. When you're done editing, run /sbin/lilo as root user. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Asus A7N8X-Deluxe - What kernel works?
At 08:51 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: I'm trying to do an install, but so far I cannot seem to build a kernel that boots. What makes you think this is a kernel/motherboard issue ?? That is a very popular motherboard so I don't think there's any major conflicts or incompatibilities with it. When you say it doesn't boot, exactly what happens ?? Does the boot process stop somewhere, and if so, where ?? Do you not get past the GRUB or LILO sequence at boot ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Asus A7N8X-Deluxe - What kernel works?
At 09:05 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: My reasoning on the kernel I'm building being the problem is that the kernel on the LiveCD does boot, but the kernels I build all hang at the step where it finds the Silison Image SATA chip. From a thread I was doing yesterday, the LiveCD kernel does this: You should try and get the latest available kernel in order to get (good) support for your Serial ATA chipset. The most recent is gs-sources, I believe. Just checked and it is it's at 2.4.23_pre8. I recall that the LiveCD uses a newer kernel than gentoo-sources, which the install guide suggests. When you say it doesn't boot, exactly what happens ?? Does the boot process stop somewhere, and if so, where ?? Do you not get past the GRUB or LILO sequence at boot ?? Hall I tried using the install instructions cd /usr/src/linux cat /proc/config .config make oldconfig but apparently I'm not doing that right as it hangs the same way. I assume the command above copies the LiveCD's .config file. I can see a possible problem there: LiveCD is using a newer kernel and presumably has support for more hardware. You copy it's config file and use it against an older kernel. That older kernel may not have support for all the items that config file has and simply gets ignored. You can still use the LiveCD's config file, but you may want to manually check what it's configuring after running the command you list above. To do that, use make menuconfig, run from /usr/src/linux. I'm not sure which section that SerialATA support is in, but I'd assume it's the same as other drive controllers. In fact, I do remember seeing it. It *is* in the same section. Good luck ! Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
At 10:11 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: It would be really nice if everyone on this list would use the word wrap feature of their e-mail program, and also not send their e-mails in html. This list has been fairly nice about it, but in most linux lists they will take your heads off if you send stuff without these. You'll never get people to voluntarily conform to this. For one, many simply don't have a clue what you're referring to. Their OutlookExpress-using friends haven't complained, so they must not be doing anything wrong. Surely KMail can be set up to properly handle messages like this. I used to use Mutt and it did. Two config file options dealt with html-formatted messages and non-wrapped lines: text/html; lynx -dump %s ; copiousoutput set smart_wrap I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (OT) Doom
At 12:37 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:14:27 -0600 Van Eps, Nathan D. (James Tower) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought doom, doom2, and quake were released as freeware. In which case it would be ok just to offer the cds for free download... code was released as GPL != freeware. Data / artwork / sound is still closed, and copyrighted. So its not ok to offer the cd's for download. Just clarifying a bit... code meaning the core or I think they usually call it the engine. It's what makes the game act the way it does or the bad guys/monsters act the way they do. The data/artwork/sound is what makes different games simply look different. I recall a few years back where it was ID Software I think, would license their popular game engine to other companies. People often commented on how similar the games were (outside of the look). Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Asus A7N8X-Deluxe - What kernel works?
At 12:11 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:57:44AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 08:51 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: I'm trying to do an install, but so far I cannot seem to build a kernel that boots. What makes you think this is a kernel/motherboard issue ?? That is a very popular motherboard so I don't think there's any major conflicts or incompatibilities with it. It is, when I got mine it was new enough that the .20 kernel didn't support the nforce chipset properly, and crashes occurred either apparently randomly, or while doing high volume network transfers (ie: copying my $HOME back from the machine it was backed up to :) I ended up finding the ac-sources kernel and it has worked like a charm since, with no special options other than selecting the nforce settings for agpgart and ide chipset. I'll send the original poster my .config offlist. Once I found a kernel that worked, the MB has been rock solid, whereas before I was starting to doubt linux :) As I told him, get the newest kernel possible. When 2.4.20 was released, did the nForce2 chipset exist ?? If not, it's hard to support it ! :-) Now you throw in SerialATA support on top of nForce2 and you really something current. I couldn't get USB support to work with my nForce2 (MSI) based board until I tried 2.4.23_preX kernels. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:59, daniel wrote: On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. Heh, at least Outlook Express can do that !! Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Fwd: Debian Weekly News - November 4th, 2003
I know this was a popular topic in the past week or so. Now the Debian people know about and might be able to claim some bragging rights... :-) --- Debian Weekly News http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ Debian Weekly News - November 4th, 2003 --- 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0310/msg02212.html Debian faster than Gentoo? Matt Garman [2]wondered why his C++ program ran dramatically slower when compiled on a Gentoo machine than when compiled with Debian Sid. He later [3]reported that recompiling the Gentoo C++ libraries with less aggressive optimization flags (-O2 instead of -O3) eliminated the speed difference. Matt also [4]added that Debian and other distributions are conservative, but set up by very experienced people. 2. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/50924 3. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/50973 4. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/50953 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recompiled kernel - How do i get nvidia eth0 support back?
At 06:14 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: The driver is in the package nforce-net. emerge nforce-net should do the trick. Excellent. That worked great. Is there an easy / simple way to see the list of packages? I mean...does portage have a text or gui interface more sophisticated than a directory listing? I'll check the docs. The --search flag can usually find what you're looking for, but it's hit or miss at times 'cause you have to guess good. Running emerge --search nvidia wouldn't have found what you're after -- I know from experience :-) -- but obviously emerge --search nforce would. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to emerge so that it recompiles all installed packages ?
At 01:47 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Does anyone know how to make (or force) 'emerge' in recompiling every installed package? try $ emerge -p world Wait, I thought the -p option was for pretend, as in don't do it, just tell me would get done. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] How to emerge so that it recompiles all installed packages ?
At 02:01 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: At 01:47 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Does anyone know how to make (or force) 'emerge' in recompiling every installed package? try $ emerge -p world Wait, I thought the -p option was for pretend, as in don't do it, just tell me would get done. yeah?? And?? I am assuming he is saying emerge world will do it.. but to make sure, do emerge -p world My assumption is he *wants* to re-emerge everything, not just see what will get re-emerged. He'll run emerge -p world and it will NOT do it. Then what ?? Sure, using the -p option is never a bad idea, but it won't do what he wants to do. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] First Install
At 04:01 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: The make modules step on my box, a NForce2 with an Athlon-XP 2500+ easily took 15-20 minutes, and possibly 30. I'm not sure. I think genkernel builds more stuff than I might if I did the kernel by hand, and I'm assuming your laptop is not faster than my desktop. 15 minutes was likely not enough. I'd have to time 'make modules' as I've got the same CPU. I know that 'make bzImage' takes less than 4 minutes, so I don't imagine that building the modules takes much longer. What does genkernel all do ?? I know it builds busybox, but that shouldn't add that much longer to the process. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] First Install
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 21:10, Mike Hogsett wrote: The make modules step on my box, ...Athlon-XP 2500+ easily took 15-20 minutes I'm not using genkernel here and just did a 'make bzImage'. Not sure if Setup and or System sizes tell you if my kernel is heavy on stuff compiled in or built as modules, but here's the info: Boot sector 512 bytes. Setup is 4771 bytes. System is 990 kB warning: kernel is too big for standalone boot from floppy make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.23_pre8-gss/arch/i386/boot' real2m51.033s user2m40.220s sys 0m8.570s And now for 'make modules': real0m58.266s user0m51.080s sys 0m3.000s Heh, I must not have a lot built as modules ! Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Operating System not Found
At 11:21 PM 11/3/2003, you wrote: OK so wait - you say to NOT have /boot mounted during normal use. Does normal use include compiling a new kernel? First let me clarify that I USED to have /boot mounted all the time. When I tried Gentoo, the install docs suggest that it's not necessary and I understand that they're correct, so I figured, what's the harm ?? In other words.. do I mount /boot when I run genkernel?? And by watching the genkernel output doesnt it just basically DO the same things as the old-fashioned way ? I'm not sure what all genkernel does, but yes, it basically does 5-6 or more steps for you. Now, does it run mount /boot ?? I don't know. :-) The last two steps I do when compiling a kernel are 'mount /boot make install'. And /boot is in my fstab.. but either way.. does that really matter? It's in my /etc/fstab also, but mine has a noauto flag specified. In this case, it just saves you from typing mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /boot. Just an observation.. I may be wrong.. but this is still driving me nuts. I see from your other post that you've solved it now too. :-) Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Operating System not Found
At 09:49 AM 11/4/2003, you wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:09:56 +0800 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure what it is about gentoo but I have lost /boot a couple of times now when shutdown with it mounted (mounts as ext3, runs as ext2 on boot). Never happened on Mandrake or redhat. After a few painful rescues, I now make /boot is unmounted when not needed. Security freaks will complain, but I have been with gentoo almost since the beginning, and I have never created a /boot partition. I never have to remember to mount /boot when needed. No problems ever. Don't worry, many feel that you HAVE to have seperate /boot, /home, /usr, /var, and so on partitions Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cannot mount DVD's
At 02:11 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: Hello I just discovered that I can't mount DVD's with Gentoo. I'm on Gentoo 1.4 kernel 2.4.20 (gentoo-sources-r8) The drive is an LG IDE and works with the discs I tried under Mandrake. Both Mandrake and Gentoo use ide-scsi for this device. I get the message no medium found, no matter what I do (mount with filesytem options...) What mount command are you using ?? The filesystem to specify should be ISO9660. Something like mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd, with the device and mount point changed to match *your* system, of course. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xlib error
At 02:09 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:48:48 -0800, Collins Richey muttered: Before issuing 'su', as your normal user, you must issue 'xhost +localhost' in order to allow the root user to have access to the display. This is considered a security exposure, so as soon as you exit from the root environment, issue 'xhost -localhost'. NO, NO, NO. xhost is EVIL. Use xauth properly instead: run `xauth list' as user, run `xauth add' with the output as root. Agreed. People get chastised to no end on Debian-User for suggesting 'xhost'. Sure, it's quick and easy... I've got what's supposedly the proper and safe way to solve this, but it's on my Debian box at home. If no one posts it, I can in a few hours. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] cannot mount DVD's
At 02:12 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: I just discovered that I can't mount DVD's with Gentoo. I'm on Gentoo 1.4 kernel 2.4.20 (gentoo-sources-r8) The drive is an LG IDE and works with the discs I tried under Mandrake. Both Mandrake and Gentoo use ide-scsi for this device. I get the message no medium found, no matter what I do (mount with filesytem options...) Funny. I have the same brand DVD and same kernel. I had some problems mounting as a normal user but not root. I had to find the right /dev and add it to fstab, problems gone. If you've enabled ide-scsi for it, then it should be symlinked somewhere under /dev/cdroms. Actually, I believe /dev/cdroms is a devfs thing and if he's not using devfs, he should look under /dev/scdX instead. Using ide-scsi, the drive will appear as a SCSI device, hence the /dev/scd items. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xlib error
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 23:22, Jonathan Singer wrote: Andrew Farmer: Use xauth properly instead: run `xauth list' as user, run `xauth add' with the output as root. This works for me, but needs to be repeated each time X restarts. Hall Stevenson: I've got what's supposedly the proper and safe way to solve this, but it's on my Debian box at home. If no one posts it, I can in a few hours. I'd very much appreciate your posting it. I've been trying to get this working for nearly a year and while I've received many suggestions, none have worked. Here it is: # allow root to run programs when another # user is running X if [ ! $USER = root ]; then export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority fi Add this to root's .bashrc file. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge grabbing wrong packages
Okay, a few days ago I emerged the 2.6 kernel to take a look at. I did NOT install it and have since un-emerged it. Problem is, now when I compile my current kernel (linux-2.4.23_pre8-gss) and then run emerge -k nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx, emerge wants to grab the wrong packages. Look at what this shows: emerge --pretend nvidia-kernel These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/development-sources-2.6.0_beta8 [ebuild N ] media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r3 How do I tell emerge that I'm not using that kernel ?? emerge -k nvidia-glx and emerge -k nforce-net nforce-audio wnat to grab the 2.6.x kernel also. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge grabbing wrong packages
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: What does /usr/src/linux link to? That was the first thing I thought of myself... :) linux - /usr/src/linux-2.4.23_pre8-gss That's correct for my system. Thanks Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge grabbing wrong packages
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:43, Doug Weimer wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 04:27, you wrote: Okay, a few days ago I emerged the 2.6 kernel to take a look at. I did NOT install it and have since un-emerged it. emerge --pretend nvidia-kernel These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/development-sources-2.6.0_beta8 [ebuild N ] media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r3 The development-sources might still be in your virtuals file. Try: `grep virtual/linux-sources /var/cache/edb/virtuals` to see if sys-kernel/development-sources is still there. If so, just remove the development-sources entry. I get this: grep virtual/linux-sources /var/cache/edb/virtuals virtual/linux-sources sys-kernel/development-sources sys-kernel/gs-sources sys-kernel/gentoo-sources Let's see what it looks like when I edit it... Okay, it's individual lines. Looks simple enough. That 'grep' command now returns this: grep virtual/linux-sources /var/cache/edb/virtuals virtual/linux-sources sys-kernel/gs-sources sys-kernel/gentoo-sources Great !! Just tried 'emerge -uvp nvidia-kernel' and it only wants to grab the nvidia-kernel package and NOT the 2.6.x kernel. Thanks a lot ! Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Operating System not Found
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:40, Brent L Johnson wrote: It's almost like it cant find grub in the MBR or something. I just recompiled the kernel again, re-ran grub with root(hd0,0) and setup(hd0) (which are the same settings I did before when initially setting the system up). Should I have to do anything ELSE when recompiling the kernel with genkernel --configure ? Gentoo suggests that you normally NOT have /boot mounted during normal use. If it's not, when you copy your new kernel image to /boot, it will fail. In my case, I don't use 'genkernel', but compile mine the old-fashioned way. Lastly, I run 'make install'. This does various things, one of which is to copy the appropriate files to /boot, make symlinks for System.map, and so on. I noticed one time when /boot was NOT mounted, that the 'make install' command did NOT complain or fail. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: damned usb mouse again
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 00:07, Michael Mauch wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:57, Roberto Padovani wrote: mine is exactly the same, though i think that the problem is somewhat above X, since # cat /dev/input/mice doesn't show any understanig of my mouse movements. You're correct. If the kernel doesn't know the mouse exists, don't bother with X (yet). Do you see the mouse with cat /proc/bus/usb/devices? And if you see it there, does it work after you did that? Never looked there nor ran across any references suggesting that. It's back in the *working* PS2 port for now... I'll save your message 'til later when I give it a go again. Thanks Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo up and running
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 07:55, Joseph Eaton wrote: I think I will wipe the system and start over again. I started from stage 1. Next time will be stage 3. On old hardware such as yours, taking 14 days, give or take a couple because of first-time mistakes, that's just unreasonable. I agree about not doing a stage 1 install again. You could even do a GRP install and not have to compile *anything*. Download a pre-compiled ISO disc that's optimized for your hardware and all you lose is the infinite ability to tweak, all of which may NOT amount to a noticable improvement. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: damned usb mouse again
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:57, Roberto Padovani wrote: hi all! you don't have the usbmouse module installed. -Paul use *either* USBMOUSE or HID Hall right guys, i picked hid because knoppix recognizes and can use my mouse without any problem and lsmod gives: I tried *again* last night, with both enabled, and it still didn't work. I did check Gentoo's default .config and they do NOT enable USBMOUSE or USBKEYB (not sure of the exact name for the keyboard item). Things are currently connected to the old PS2 ports... and work... mine is exactly the same, though i think that the problem is somewhat above X, since # cat /dev/input/mice doesn't show any understanig of my mouse movements. You're correct. If the kernel doesn't know the mouse exists, don't bother with X (yet). Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] secure live cd?
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:21, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: I am thinking. If you boot into live cd, you don't have anything running so you don't really need to do anything. I have never used the live cd, so I am not sure if sshd is on there.. If so, you can look at /etc/sshd_config and there is a option in there to only allow certain hosts to connect.. sshd is indeed running during the install process. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] damned usb mouse again
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 18:04, Paul Kimberley wrote: Hi, I had the same problem when i tried to install my logitech optial mouse. you don't have the usbmouse module installed. You will probably have to recompile your kernel and enable it. The Desktop Configuration Guide says to use *either* USBMOUSE or HID, but not both. I'd guess HID is often enabled and if people don't disable it, they'll have problems. I've went round and round with this, trying different modules, trying things compiled directly in (as suggested by the USB Mouse and Keyboard HOWTO), and so on. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] damned usb mouse again
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 18:22, Matt Chorman wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2003 05:22 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote: The Desktop Configuration Guide says to use *either* USBMOUSE or HID, but not both. I'd guess HID is often enabled and if people don't disable it, they'll have problems. I've went round and round with this, trying different modules, trying things compiled directly in (as suggested by the USB Mouse and Keyboard HOWTO), and so on. It says that? Really? I've never read it so I wouldn't know - I do know that with my logitech optical usb I ALWAYS have to enable both to get my usbmouse to work correctly. It says *Configuring a USB Mouse* A USB mouse is your friend on a high resolution screen. The kernel takes care of the scaling so you don't have to move your mouse five times across the pad to make it across the screen. The first thing that has to be done is the installation of the kernel modules. The modules that will be needed for a USB mouse to work are usbmouse, mousedev, hid, usbcore, usb-uhci, and input. After the necessary kernel configuration is done, insmod the modules. ** Note: Use either usbmouse OR hid. If you install both, mouse will stop working. ** Here's the page: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/desktop.xml#doc_chap2. Scroll down to the Configuring USB Mouse section. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lm-sensors not working
At 04:49 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote: I'm unable to start lm_sensors om my gentoo-box. It complains about unresolved symbols and not be able to find i2c-proc. I compiled my kernel with this in my kernel-config # I2C support CONFIG_I2C=m I'm on gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r7, trying to install lm-sensors-2.8.0.ebuild (2.7 fails to compile). I had them working with the first kernel I generated during install (also 2.4.20-r7), it broke after trying to install 2.4.20-r8, and reverting back to 2.4.20-r7 (genkernel again). Does anyone know what is happening? You need to install the i2c package also. Try removing lm-sensors first (emerge -C lm-sensors) and then emerge i2c first, by itself. When that completes, re-emerge lm-sensors. If you read the error closely, I believe it says you need kernel support *and* i2c installed (I think). You have one of the two done :-) Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] optimum disk performance
At 09:17 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote: using_dma= 0 (off) What other hdparm flags can I _safely_ use, I don't want to trash my disk. The fact that DMA is *off* immediately jumped out at me. This can/should be on with any or most modern HDs and/or controllers. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] optimum disk performance
At 09:50 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:38, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 09:17 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote: using_dma= 0 (off) What other hdparm flags can I _safely_ use, I don't want to trash my disk. The fact that DMA is *off* immediately jumped out at me. This can/should be on with any or most modern HDs and/or controllers. I get this when trying to enable dma, any ideas? laptop root # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda /dev/hda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma= 0 (off) My idea ?? Your hardware doesn't support DMA. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MozillaFirebird: error message
On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 03:46, Al Raq wrote: Any one can tell me what does this message mean and how I can execute MozillaFirebird again. The error message is: $ MozillaFirebird INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Expected a version 5! Version = 4 System error?:: Interrupted system call Did you by chance install the User agent string extension and choose IE6 as the string to show ?? IF so, I solved this by removing ALL references to 'user string' in the prefs.js file in my profile directory. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] mozilla 1.5 issues
At 09:14 AM 10/29/2003, you wrote: Is there a way to launch mozilla with debugging option? The normal mozilla source package most likely has a debug configure option. Not sure if the Gentoo build does or not... Try 'etcat -u mozilla' and see if it lists it. If so, enable it and re-build mozilla. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MozillaFirebird: error message
At 02:02 PM 10/29/2003, you wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:03:41PM +, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 03:46, Al Raq wrote: Any one can tell me what does this message mean and how I can execute MozillaFirebird again. The error message is: $ MozillaFirebird INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Expected a version 5! Version = 4 System error?:: Interrupted system call Did you by chance install the User agent string extension and choose IE6 as the string to show ?? IF so, I solved this by removing ALL references to 'user string' in the prefs.js file in my profile directory. Actually this looks like a plugin problem to do with either quicktime or flash maybe? Try moving the contents of /usr/lib/MozillaFirebird/plugins away somewhere and see if that helps. Following up on the User agent extension and related to plugins, in my search to solve my issue, I read somewhere that JAVA, for example, expects a certain version number (like the error shows, it expects one version but gets a different one) and if different, it can't handle it cleanly. So in a sense, my issue wasn't strictly the User agent extensions fault. Maybe quicktime or flash or whatever plugins are installed, do the same. Moving the plugins away from where mozilla will find them could certainly help determine this. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] an idea
Well, I snipped too much of the original post, so I don't know exactly which kernel was being used now. Anyway, from the page you reference, there is a gentoo-sources kernel and a gs-sources kernel. === gentoo-sources For most users, the recommended kernel sources are the gentoo-sources. The gentoo-sources package contains specially tuned performance kernel patches designed to optimize tasks such as compiling while listening to music and browsing the web. Most of you who are new to Gentoo have probably never run a system where you are regularly compiling many packages from source while you are doing your normal everyday tasks on your computer. You may find that if you use the vanilla-sources (the official kernel sources released from http://www.kernel.org) normal tasks -- such as listening to music, moving your mouse and the like -- may appear jumpy when you are compiling packages. The gentoo-sources contain an updated ACPI subsystem and are based on Con Kolivas' high-performance kernel patches (ck-sources). We also support grSecurity (a set of security-related patches with support for ACLs), EVMS(2) (a highly flexible storage management filesystem with easy partition resizing), JFS (IBM's high-performance filesystem), the latest NTFS drivers, and more. Because the gentoo-sources are targeted at full performance, they are also very good for gaming purposes. === gs-sources For users to whom desktop interactive performance comes as a secondary priority to reliability and hardware support, we have the gs-sources. GS stands for Gentoo Stable (creative, aren't we?). This patch set is tuned and tested to provide the best support for the latest hardware and ensures that your mission critical servers will be up when you need them. This kernel doesn't have some of the most aggressive performance tuning patches from the gentoo-sources, but rest assured, the great performance that you know and love from the vanilla kernels are alive and well. Where possible and without compromising stability we add server related performance patches. This kernel provides support for the latest ACPI subsystem, EVMS, ECC (required for HA Linux systems), Encrypted Loopback devices, NTFS, Win4Lin and XFS. It also contains updates for IDE, ext3 and several network cards amongst other patches. In other words, these sources are perfect for servers and High-Availability systems. === Now *I* need to double-check which kernel I'm using !! :-) Looking at this page, http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/sys-kernel/index.xml, I know I'm using a 2.4.23_pre kernel, so it appears I've got the 'gs-sources'. Oh well, as it mentions, hardware support is improved. Since I couldn't get my USB2 (nForce2 motherboard) to work reliably with any earlier ones, I'll stick with it. Regards Hall At 09:35 AM 10/28/2003, you wrote: That isn't what I read. gs stands for gentoo stable and this kernel is more suitable for a production environment than the rest. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-kernel.xml -Nathan -Original Message- From: Hall Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] an idea On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 22:30, blade- wrote: i use the gs sources, had an update today and a few days ago The gs-sources track a pre kernel. It's similar to the 2.6 kernel in that it gets frequent updates. It's also a patched/custom kernel and any change to the patches would require a kernel package update. If you want stable, i.e. not changing weekly or so, do NOT use that kernel package. Use the stock vanilla kernel, for example. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] an idea
I've only been using Gentoo for a few weeks. I've tried different kernels in that time and have been happily using gs-sources. It's the newest available, I think. Anyway, in these three weeks, I started with pre6 and less than a week ago, a pre7 became available. While researching my last post, I see that pre8 is now available. So, again if one wants a stable kernel, or one that doesn't get updated weekly or so, one probably should stick to the vanilla-sources. It certainly doesn't hurt to read the CHANGELOG on newly released kernels either. I do, and if there's nothing listed that I'm having issues with, I do NOT upgrade. My Debian box, which I compile the kernel myself vs using a Debian package is using 2.4.18 I think... GASP !. My Mandrake box is using an even older one. Heh, I can't recall ever updating that machine since installing whatever version of Mandrake is on it. And . it works. As for me using such a new kernel, again, I read the CHANGELOG and it listed lots of USB fixes, updates, etc. I was having USB-related problems before and with the new kernel, I don't. Regards Hall At 10:07 AM 10/28/2003, you wrote: He was using GS-Sources, which is a highly changing kernel.. Its got all kinds of Patches and so forth. so its updated constantly.. Like I said yesterday, most of the kernels are not updated all the time unless your using these development kernels. So there is no reason to add functionality for the few.. Specially when these can be controlled by package.mask. Whats so hard about entering a line in there so the kernel doesn't show up all time?? Well, I snipped too much of the original post, so I don't know exactly which kernel was being used now. Anyway, from the page you reference, there is a gentoo-sources kernel and a gs-sources kernel. SNIP -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome/Mozilla install problem
At 10:52 AM 10/28/2003, you wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:09:39 -0800, Spider muttered: As you see in the message, you need to run : export USE=gtk2 emerge mozilla Uh, no. That'll emerge all the following packages with gtk2 as well, which could cause havoc with packages that don't have gtk2 100% ready yet. You'd want to do something more like USE=gtk2 emerge mozilla perhaps. I've seen export USE=gtk2, emerge mozilla suggested before and thought it was a bad idea too. Until you logout and back in, that $USE variable remains in effect. How would emerge -u gaim, which I believe has NO GTK2 support yet, handle that ?? USE=gtk2 emerge mozilla means to use the $USE variable for _this command only_. Correct ?? Just checked the Gentoo Guide to USE Flags, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/use-howto.xml, and the one-line method is given there too. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fixed - Re: [gentoo-user] Getting KDM to read ~/.xsession
At 01:02 PM 10/28/2003, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - From the forums it looks like you have to edit /etc/X11/Sessions/ kde-3.1.4 and source the ~/.xsession. Rather irrating to have to do this yourself. % cat /etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.1.4 #!/bin/sh if [ -r ~/.xsession ]; then . ~/.xsession fi /usr/kde/3.1/bin/startkde File a bug report against then. Not sure how often it would present a problem for people though... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome/Mozilla install problem
At 12:34 PM 10/28/2003, you wrote: On 2003.10.28 11:49, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 10:52 AM 10/28/2003, you wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:09:39 -0800, Spider muttered: As you see in the message, you need to run : export USE=gtk2 emerge mozilla Uh, no. That'll emerge all the following packages with gtk2 as well, which could cause havoc with packages that don't have gtk2 100% ready yet. You'd want to do something more like USE=gtk2 emerge mozilla perhaps. I've seen export USE=gtk2, emerge mozilla suggested before and thought it was a bad idea too. Until you logout and back in, that $USE variable remains in effect. How would emerge -u gaim, which I believe has NO GTK2 support yet, handle that ?? gaim has only gtk2 support as of 0.60 and above. Because there is only the one option, it does not recognize the gtk2 USE flag. I was using gaim simply as an example... I must have been thinking of some other popular app that's not been updated to gtk2. Just remembered and it's xmms, in fact, as you mention below. USE=gtk2 emerge mozilla means to use the $USE variable for _this command only_. Correct ?? Just checked the Gentoo Guide to USE Flags, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/use-howto.xml, and the one-line method is given there too. Since he is emerging gnome 2.4, I would assume most, if not all emerged applications would support only gtk2 (except xmms. why is that still a dependancy?). I've been using the gtk2 flag since I first heard of it (shortly after gnome 2.0 went stable) and havent had any problems. Even the gtk2 version of sylpheed-claws works rather well. There are plenty of Gnome apps out there that are still built against gtk1.x and which there are no gtk2 replacements for. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is my disc space
At 03:24 PM 10/27/2003, you wrote: That was all I got. On other distro I will have /dev/hde3 .. /dev/hde1 .. /dev/hde5 ... etc. I can't understand why Some distros decide for you that you need a /boot partition, a /var partition, a /usr partition, a /home partition, and so on... Other distros, like Gentoo, let you decide which and how many paritions you want vs need. The -h option to 'df' *might* not display all partitions, like 'swap'. Also, Gentoo encourages you to not mount /boot during normal usage. I'm guessing you have a / (root) partition, swap, and /boot. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is my disc space
At 09:56 AM 10/27/2003, you wrote: Hi Hall, /dev/hde3 .. /dev/hde1 .. /dev/hde5 ... etc. I can't understand why Some distros decide for you that you need a /boot partition, a /var partition, a /usr partition, a /home partition, and so on... Other distros, like Gentoo, let you decide which and how many paritions you want vs need. The -h option to 'df' *might* not display all partitions, like 'swap'. Also, Gentoo encourages you to not mount /boot during normal usage. I'm guessing you have a / (root) partition, swap, and /boot. Yes, you are correct. I have boot ext3 swap root reiserfs What command will be used to display all of them Try df --help or man df and see if it tells you. I don't know off-hand... It might be helpful for you to explore options like this yourself vs running into a problem and posting to this list. Then waiting... and waiting... Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (URGENT) Installing CD Burner question
At 10:55 AM 10/27/2003, you wrote: If the file system is reiser, try reiserfsck --rebuild-sb [root@(none) /]# reiserfsck --rebuild-sb /dev/hde3 super.c 309 rebuild_sb rebuils_sb: cannot open device /dev/hde3 Are you sure that hde3 is the right device ?? How many hard drives do you have in this machine ?? That would be master HD on a tertiary controller (probably an add-in controllor card). Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RISC
At 02:51 PM 10/27/2003, you wrote: Hej fellows! Do anybody use any RISC processors? Just curious :] I've got a Sparc20 with Debian on it. Just did to see if I could Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple versions of packages installed ??
On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 18:51, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Saturday 25 October 2003 16:31, Hall Stevenson wrote: snip Any way to check for multiple versions of a package ?? I'll be off R'ing TFM in the meantime. From qpkg --help last lines: Examples: qpkg --dups print duplicates oldest first qpkg --dups -v.. with versions Okay, here's where I'm pausing at with 'qpkg --dups -v: app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.0-r1 app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.1-r1 app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.1-r1 app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.0-r1 dev-libs/glib-1.2.10-r5 dev-libs/glib-2.2.3 gnome-base/control-center-1.4.0.5-r1 gnome-base/control-center-2.4.0 gnome-base/gconf-1.0.8-r5 gnome-base/gconf-2.4.0.1 gnome-base/gnome-panel-1.4.2-r2 gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.4.0-r1 gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r3 gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.4.0 gnome-base/libglade-0.17-r6 gnome-base/libglade-2.0.1 gnome-extra/libgtkhtml-2.4.0 gnome-extra/libgtkhtml-3.0.9 media-libs/freetype-2.1.4 media-libs/freetype-1.3.1-r3 sys-libs/db-4.0.14-r2 sys-libs/db-1.85-r1 x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 x11-libs/gtk+-2.2.4-r1 What's with all the docbook-sgml packages ?? I'm not touching either of the two db packages as some app probably needs one version while another app needs the other version. I'm guessing that gtk/gnome packages like gconf or glib aren't compatible, i.e. a package needs glib-1.2-10 and glib-2.2.3 will NOT work for it. I would get rid of gnome-panel-1, but I'm betting some app has a panel-applet that requires it... Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] an idea
On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 22:30, blade- wrote: i use the gs sources, had an update today and a few days ago The gs-sources track a pre kernel. It's similar to the 2.6 kernel in that it gets frequent updates. It's also a patched/custom kernel and any change to the patches would require a kernel package update. If you want stable, i.e. not changing weekly or so, do NOT use that kernel package. Use the stock vanilla kernel, for example. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Video Mode error on boot
On Saturday 25 October 2003 09:05, Alan Watson wrote: When I boot Linux I get the message You passed an undefined mode number I am then asked to hit space to continue or enter to select a video mode. When I hit enter I am presented with: Video Adapter: VESA VGA Mode: COLSxROWS 0 0F00 80x25 1 0F01 80x50 etc, etc, up to 8 030A 132x43 Enter mode number or 'scan': I was wondering what I need to do to get rid of this message. What did I miss when installing? The line you have for vga= xxx has an invalid value. Correct it and re-run /sbin/lilo and you'll be fixed. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lm sensors nforce 2 based mother boards
On Saturday 25 October 2003 05:38, rh wrote: Since sensor monitoring is the last thing on my nforce2 board that I have to get to work under gentoo, I gave mbmon a try as nothing I could do would get gkrellm to detect the sensors. I just got gkrellm working a few days ago to show my CPU, MB, etc info. Actually, this is an lm-sensors issue as gkrellm just *displays* the info. What I have installed: sys-kernel/gs-sources-2.4.23_pre7 sys-apps/lm-sensors-2.7.0-r1 sys-apps/i2c-2.7.0 (you're supposed to have v2.8.0 or higher of lm-sensors and i2c to work with nForce2 but it works for me) app-admin/gkrellm-1.2.13 x11-plugins/gkrellm-sensors-0.1 In my kernel config, all i2c items are compiled as modules. After that, a tab for w83627hf-isa-0290 showed up under Plugins/LM-Sensors in gkrellm's configuration window. Run sensors in a terminal to see if values are displayed. If so, match those up with the fields in gkrellm. Use the Info tab for the syntax that goes in the fields. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Multiple versions of packages installed ??
I was just looking at what packages I had installed while helping someone and noticed I've got two versions of gkrellm installed, v2.1.20 and v1.2.13. Both have * after their names and I assume that means installed. I just checked and the gkrellm that's running is the older one. Why does emerge leave older packages installed ?? Why didn't the newer package run instead of the older ?? Is this an config option *I* need to change ?? Thanks in advance Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING is hiding
On Saturday 25 October 2003 13:45, William Kenworthy wrote: Can someone tell me where CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING is hiding in the linux-2.4.23_pre7-gss kernel. CONFIG_DEV_PIIX is there, but tuning is not. I just grep'd my .config file and only CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX shows up. Is that 'tuning' option a patch ?? Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING is hiding
On Saturday 25 October 2003 13:45, William Kenworthy wrote: Can someone tell me where CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING is hiding in the linux-2.4.23_pre7-gss kernel. CONFIG_DEV_PIIX is there, but tuning is not. A Google search on 'config_piix_tuning turns up the answer in the first link: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0305.3/1463.html Looks like CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING configuration option is partially removed from the kernel. No references to it can be found in the code at least. However there still remains references to CONFIG_PIIX_TUNING in Documentation... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
