Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:36:21 -0800 (PST), maxim wexler wrote:

 Must I have a bleep password? I'm only person who
 will ever use this machine. 

You may be the only person you want to use the machine. but if it is
connectd to the internet and has no user password, you are unlikely
to be the only person to ever use it. With no user password, you also
increase the chances of abuse via sudo.


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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-23 Thread Christoph Gysin
Christoph Eckert wrote:
How does chown work? #chown username:users doesn't
work.
chown [OPTION]... OWNER[:[GROUP]] FILE...
I added username to wheel group, but when I su I
get: name expired(something like that).
The user seems not to be allowed to sudo. See /etc/sudoers for 
details.
su != sudo
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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-23 Thread A. Khattri
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, maxim wexler wrote:

  The user seems not to be allowed to sudo. See
  /etc/sudoers for
  details.
 
 looks like it's because I deleted the x which
 represents my password in passwd.

Su is not the same as sudo.

In order to su, you need to be in the wheel group.
(You can use vigr to edit that file).

In order to use sudo, you need to be in the /etc/sudoers file.
(Normally, you would use visudo to edit that file).


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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-23 Thread maxim wexler
 
 You may be the only person you want to use the
 machine. but if it is
 connectd to the internet and has no user password,
 you are unlikely
 to be the only person to ever use it. With no user
 password, you also
 increase the chances of abuse via sudo.
 
 
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Thanks for the tip. But that's a way off yet. Gotta
lot of configuring to do. Don't need extraneous levels
of complexity. I like to be able to switch between
user and root and back with su enter and exit
enter. I've never used sudo, though it's probably
time I learned. Meanwhile Macro$haft will have to
carry me to the web on the ~22k dribble that leaks out
of my phone line 8( 

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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-23 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, maxim wexler wrote:

 Thanks for the tip. But that's a way off yet. Gotta
 lot of configuring to do. Don't need extraneous levels
 of complexity. I like to be able to switch between
 user and root and back with su enter and exit
 enter. I've never used sudo, though it's probably
 time I learned. Meanwhile Macro$haft will have to
 carry me to the web on the ~22k dribble that leaks out
 of my phone line 8(

Sounds like you should try sudo. The first time you use sudo, it will
prompt for a password but then the session stays in effect for 30 mins
(you can configure that) so subsequent sudo's will not prompt for a
password unless your session has expired. If you run sudo every few
minutes you wont be prompted for a password again for the rest of the day.


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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-23 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:27:05PM -0500, A. Khattri wrote:
 Sounds like you should try sudo. The first time you use sudo, it will
 prompt for a password but then the session stays in effect for 30 mins
 (you can configure that) so subsequent sudo's will not prompt for a
 password unless your session has expired. If you run sudo every few
 minutes you wont be prompted for a password again for the rest of the day.
 
 

or, just put the following in /etc/sudoers

   USERNAME  ALL=(ALL)   NOPASSWD: ALL

where USERNAME is the user you want to give sudo powers to, or the
group name preceded by %

That way you won't be prompted for password at all for sudo. 

Best,

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[gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-22 Thread maxim wexler
Greetings,

My background is with slack80. Gentoo is way
different!

A few questions:

How does chown work? #chown username:users doesn't
work.

I added username to wheel group, but when I su I
get: name expired(something like that).

Gentoo seems to assume I have broadband but I live at
the end of an eight-mile phone line. When I try emerge
x-org it craps out at ttmfk* I'll have to download the
file seperately. Is that gonna be the only one?

I copied DIR_COLORS to $HOME/.dir_colors but ls still
outputs in monochrome.

Why can't I many tools(cp, mv for starters) in
/home/user as user? Must be root!





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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-22 Thread Christoph Eckert

 How does chown work? #chown username:users doesn't
 work.

It works. I used it yesterday.

 I added username to wheel group, but when I su I
 get: name expired(something like that).

The user seems not to be allowed to sudo. See /etc/sudoers for 
details.

[...]

 Why can't I many tools(cp, mv for starters) in
 /home/user as user? Must be root!

Maybe there are some options in your fstab that prevent users 
to execute these commands on the home partition. Do you use 
an extra partition on /home/?

If so, check the matching line in your /etc/fstab.


 Best regards


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Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo

2005-02-22 Thread maxim wexler

 
  I added username to wheel group, but when I su I
  get: name expired(something like that).
 
 The user seems not to be allowed to sudo. See
 /etc/sudoers for 
 details.
 
looks like it's because I deleted the x which
represents my password in passwd.

Must I have a bleep password? I'm only person who
will ever use this machine. 

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[gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Hi all,
I did not install Gentoo yet, but I'm considering trying it so I need to
ask a few questions before I actually install it:

- I have been a (very happy) Mandrake user for some time now, and I
particularly like their PLF site (rpm repository of legally
problematic packages - for example libdvdcss). Is there such a thing
for Gentoo?

- Is there some distribution-specific scripts/apps to handle addition
and removal of hardware (scanner, printer...)?

- Does Gentoo use devfs?

- Does Gentoo use automount/supermount?

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Mike Williams
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On Monday 09 February 2004 10:37, Alexandre Aractingi wrote:

 - I have been a (very happy) Mandrake user for some time now, and I
 particularly like their PLF site (rpm repository of legally
 problematic packages - for example libdvdcss). Is there such a thing
 for Gentoo?

Gentoo doesn't 'need' something like that

(sauron root # emerge -s libdvdcss
Searching...
[ Results for search key : libdvdcss ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  media-libs/libdvdcss
  Latest version available: 1.2.8
  Latest version installed: 1.2.8
  Size of downloaded files: 204 kB
  Homepage:http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/
  Description: A portable abstraction library for DVD decryption
  License: GPL-2
)

But, http://www.breakmygentoo.net has some ebuilds (unsupported obviously), 
and the forums (http://forums.gentoo.org, again unsupported) generally have a 
few.

 - Is there some distribution-specific scripts/apps to handle addition
 and removal of hardware (scanner, printer...)?

Not to my knowledge.

 - Does Gentoo use devfs?

Yes. It doesn't have to either. It's also perfectly possible to use udev.

 - Does Gentoo use automount/supermount?

If you want it to.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Grendel
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Mike Williams commented thusly,

 
  - Is there some distribution-specific scripts/apps to handle addition
  and removal of hardware (scanner, printer...)?
 
 Not to my knowledge.

I too am a user about to install gentoo, I have been postponing it till I
get some good old scottish whisky to put me in the mood, I am kind of 
feeling sentimental about having toi kick mandrake out :)

With regard to this aspect of the question, surely gentoo must handle this 
hardware detection and installation of necessary drivers well? The livecd 
which I booted into recognised all my hardware and loaded the ethernet 
card so I had a network connection working, so the base system which we 
install to the hdd must have some kind of auto detection, otherwise do we 
have to type the alias eth0 rtl8139too commands manuall to the 
/etc/modulesxxx files?
 
  - Does Gentoo use automount/supermount?
 
 If you want it to.

There are kernels for gentoo which support supermount.


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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Le lun 09/02/2004 à 11:34, Mike Williams a écrit :
  - Does Gentoo use devfs?
 Yes. It doesn't have to either. It's also perfectly possible to use udev.
  - Does Gentoo use automount/supermount?
 If you want it to.

Thanks for your reply!
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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Grendel wrote:
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Mike Williams commented thusly,


- Is there some distribution-specific scripts/apps to handle addition
and removal of hardware (scanner, printer...)?
Not to my knowledge.


I too am a user about to install gentoo, I have been postponing it till I
get some good old scottish whisky to put me in the mood, I am kind of 
feeling sentimental about having toi kick mandrake out :)

With regard to this aspect of the question, surely gentoo must handle this 
hardware detection and installation of necessary drivers well? The livecd 
which I booted into recognised all my hardware and loaded the ethernet 
card so I had a network connection working, so the base system which we 
install to the hdd must have some kind of auto detection, otherwise do we 
have to type the alias eth0 rtl8139too commands manuall to the 
/etc/modulesxxx files?
Thats only the livecd.
For your real install, you will need to:
- Compile support for your network card into the kernel
- Add it to modules.autoload if you compiled it as a module
- Configure /etc/conf.d/net for DHCP or static IP.
I don't understand what is meant by the original question (scanners/printers). 
Are you asking if there is an autoconfiguration method? If so, not natively as 
part of gentoo. However, a well configured system (even default 
configurations) will handle the addition/removal of devices like this well, e.g.:
- If you use hotplug, it will load the printer module when you plug in your 
printer, and remove it when its disconnected
- If you try and print before the printer is connected, CUPS will queue the 
job and wait until the printer appaers
- You can't scan unless your scanner is plugged in

Or did I misunderstand the question?

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Le lun 09/02/2004 à 12:08, Daniel Drake a écrit :
 I don't understand what is meant by the original question (scanners/printers). 
 Are you asking if there is an autoconfiguration method? If so, not natively as 
 part of gentoo. However, a well configured system (even default 
 configurations) will handle the addition/removal of devices like this well, e.g.:
 - If you use hotplug, it will load the printer module when you plug in your 
 printer, and remove it when its disconnected
 - If you try and print before the printer is connected, CUPS will queue the 
 job and wait until the printer appaers
 - You can't scan unless your scanner is plugged in
 
 Or did I misunderstand the question?

I meant an autodetect tool to help install new devices with appropriate
drivers (coming from Mandrake, I'm looking for a 'harddrake'
replacement, which is not crucial but comes in handy from time to time)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Grendel
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Daniel Drake commented thusly,

 Thats only the livecd.
 For your real install, you will need to:
 - Compile support for your network card into the kernel
 - Add it to modules.autoload if you compiled it as a module
 - Configure /etc/conf.d/net for DHCP or static IP.

I see, so that means that the dhcp client side programs are automatically 
installed and that I dont have to manually install them right?

Thanks a lot for the information.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Norbert Kamenicky
Alexandre Aractingi wrote:
- I have been a (very happy) Mandrake user for some time now, and I
particularly like their PLF site (rpm repository of legally
Most of us switched to Gentoo, because we are expecting
much more Mandrake can offer, but this is payed by little
bit less comfort.
Do not expect Gentoo has GUI to setup every piece of sw
and/or it will run just after installation.
If u are really very happy with Mandrake, and do not
like to learn lot of new things, stay with it.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi,

Alexandre Aractingi wrote:
I meant an autodetect tool to help install new devices with appropriate
drivers (coming from Mandrake, I'm looking for a 'harddrake'
replacement, which is not crucial but comes in handy from time to time)


Ah. Gentoo doesn't have anything like this as standard, but I guess there may 
be some tools out there. Generally, gentooists go through the configuration 
manually - it usually isnt too long winded. There is plenty of information on 
the forums about this kind of thing (CUPS setup etc), but if you don't have 
the time, then you might consider using some of the wizards that KDE/similar 
include.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Grendel wrote:
I see, so that means that the dhcp client side programs are automatically 
installed and that I dont have to manually install them right?
The package you will need is dhcpcd. On my system, thats part of the system 
profile, so it should get installed automatically.

Even so, if it doesn't, its very simple to install it (like the majority of 
other gentoo packages):

emerge dhcpcd

If you give Gentoo a chance, you will grow to love portage :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Le lun 09/02/2004 à 14:46, Norbert Kamenicky a écrit :
 Most of us switched to Gentoo, because we are expecting
 much more Mandrake can offer, but this is payed by little
 bit less comfort.
 Do not expect Gentoo has GUI to setup every piece of sw
 and/or it will run just after installation.

I wasn't asking about GUIs, I was asking about binary distribution of
licence-problematic softwares. From what I read Portage works more or
less as urpmi for Mandrake, so it's a great tool, and I was asking if it
was possible to feed it with software like libdvdcss (which is yes from
one of the first answers :-))

 If u are really very happy with Mandrake, and do not
 like to learn lot of new things, stay with it.

I'm really happy with Mandrake, which doesn't conflicts with me being
curious about other things, like Gentoo for example. I'll stay with Mdk
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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Grendel
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Norbert Kamenicky commented thusly,

 Alexandre Aractingi wrote:
  - I have been a (very happy) Mandrake user for some time now, and I
  particularly like their PLF site (rpm repository of legally
  
 
 Most of us switched to Gentoo, because we are expecting
 much more Mandrake can offer, but this is payed by little
 bit less comfort.
 Do not expect Gentoo has GUI to setup every piece of sw
 and/or it will run just after installation.

Actually I wonder why this is the case. I was really impressed by the way 
the livecd detected all of my hardware and autoconfigured it (it even 
detected by nforce2 nvnet driver, so far the only installation to do 
this). 
Surely the same tool(s) can also be installed as part of the base package, 
which can be optionally invoked by the user if necessary and which will 
modify the necesasry files.

Bye,
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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Marius Mauch
On 02/09/04  Alexandre Aractingi wrote:

 Le lun 09/02/2004 à 14:46, Norbert Kamenicky a écrit :
  Most of us switched to Gentoo, because we are expecting
  much more Mandrake can offer, but this is payed by little
  bit less comfort.
  Do not expect Gentoo has GUI to setup every piece of sw
  and/or it will run just after installation.
 
 I wasn't asking about GUIs, I was asking about binary distribution of
 licence-problematic softwares.

No on binary. If you don't know yet, portage is a source-centered
package manager.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Ric Messier

No on binary. If you don't know yet, portage is a source-centered
package manager.


Except that there are plenty of packages that rely on binary distributions for a 
variety of reasons.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Alexandre Aractingi
Le lun 09/02/2004 à 16:36, Marius Mauch a écrit :
 No on binary. If you don't know yet, portage is a source-centered
 package manager.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Jose González Gómez
   Daniel,

   I think you are wrong here. The new genkernel by default configures 
the kernel with almost everything as a module, so you have both options:

  1. Manually compile the kernel, choose the drivers you need, and edit
 /etc/modules.autoload
  2. Compile the kernel using genkernel (and the default configuration
 it provides), emerge hotplug, and rc-update add hotplug default
   In the first case you will have an optimized kernel only working for 
your machine and your current hardware. In the second case, you'll have 
a kernel that takes a lot to build but than can autoconfigure when 
detecting new hardware.

   So, again Gentoo is all about choices :o)

   Regards
   Jose
Daniel Drake escribió:

Grendel wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Mike Williams commented thusly,


- Is there some distribution-specific scripts/apps to handle addition
and removal of hardware (scanner, printer...)?


Not to my knowledge.


I too am a user about to install gentoo, I have been postponing it 
till I
get some good old scottish whisky to put me in the mood, I am kind of 
feeling sentimental about having toi kick mandrake out :)

With regard to this aspect of the question, surely gentoo must handle 
this hardware detection and installation of necessary drivers well? 
The livecd which I booted into recognised all my hardware and loaded 
the ethernet card so I had a network connection working, so the base 
system which we install to the hdd must have some kind of auto 
detection, otherwise do we have to type the alias eth0 rtl8139too 
commands manuall to the /etc/modulesxxx files?


Thats only the livecd.
For your real install, you will need to:
- Compile support for your network card into the kernel
- Add it to modules.autoload if you compiled it as a module
- Configure /etc/conf.d/net for DHCP or static IP.
I don't understand what is meant by the original question 
(scanners/printers). Are you asking if there is an autoconfiguration 
method? If so, not natively as part of gentoo. However, a well 
configured system (even default configurations) will handle the 
addition/removal of devices like this well, e.g.:
- If you use hotplug, it will load the printer module when you plug in 
your printer, and remove it when its disconnected
- If you try and print before the printer is connected, CUPS will 
queue the job and wait until the printer appaers
- You can't scan unless your scanner is plugged in

Or did I misunderstand the question?

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Jose González Gómez
   Grendel,

   You can do it, but expect a long time compiling your modules :o)

   Regards
   Jose
Grendel escribió:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Norbert Kamenicky commented thusly,

 

Alexandre Aractingi wrote:
   

- I have been a (very happy) Mandrake user for some time now, and I
particularly like their PLF site (rpm repository of legally
 

Most of us switched to Gentoo, because we are expecting
much more Mandrake can offer, but this is payed by little
bit less comfort.
Do not expect Gentoo has GUI to setup every piece of sw
and/or it will run just after installation.
   

Actually I wonder why this is the case. I was really impressed by the way 
the livecd detected all of my hardware and autoconfigured it (it even 
detected by nforce2 nvnet driver, so far the only installation to do 
this). 
Surely the same tool(s) can also be installed as part of the base package, 
which can be optionally invoked by the user if necessary and which will 
modify the necesasry files.

Bye,
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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo - general questions

2004-02-09 Thread Arne Vogel
Alexandre Aractingi wrote:

Le lun 09/02/2004 à 16:36, Marius Mauch a écrit :
 

No on binary. If you don't know yet, portage is a source-centered
package manager.
   

Sorry, I read about that right after I posted this mail :-)
 

For some large packages, e.g. Openoffice.org, there are binary builds in 
the Portage tree though
(in this example openoffice-bin). You can also compile binaries yourself 
(e.g. emerge -B whatever),
but they will be configured for your system specifically (compiler 
options, USE flags etc.).

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-15 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 15 November 2003 15:47, Robert Jewell wrote:
 I recently upgraded to 2.6..  i used the -mm sources, beta9-r2 or so.  my
 nvidia works.. kde works..  the system is quick and responsive.  no
 problems at all with 2.6 ..  the mm sources have nvidia patches, i believe.

The other way around - the nvidia drivers have kernel 2.6 patches.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-14 Thread Robert Jewell
On Thursday 13 November 2003 11:46, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:

 I just joined the list because I'm installing Gentoo 1.4 on my Toshiba
 laptop as I write this.
 I have been using Lunar Linux, so I am familiar with source based distros.

 My system is building glibc 2.3.2 ( in the bootstrap part of the install).

 My question is, I want to run a 2.6 kernel and I was wondering if anyone is
 using a 2.6 kernel with the NVIDIA drivers and KDE? If so, is there
 anything that I need to know to get things running? Any help would be
 great!

I recently upgraded to 2.6..  i used the -mm sources, beta9-r2 or so.  my 
nvidia works.. kde works..  the system is quick and responsive.  no problems 
at all with 2.6 ..  the mm sources have nvidia patches, i believe.  

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[gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-13 Thread Ralph Crongeyer
Hi Gentoo users,

I just joined the list because I'm installing Gentoo 1.4 on my Toshiba laptop 
as I write this.
I have been using Lunar Linux, so I am familiar with source based distros.

My system is building glibc 2.3.2 ( in the bootstrap part of the install).

My question is, I want to run a 2.6 kernel and I was wondering if anyone is 
using a 2.6 kernel with the NVIDIA drivers and KDE? If so, is there anything 
that I need to know to get things running? Any help would be great!

Thanks 

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RE: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-13 Thread Chris Carter
 My system is building glibc 2.3.2 ( in the bootstrap part of 
 the install).
 
 My question is, I want to run a 2.6 kernel and I was 
 wondering if anyone is 
 using a 2.6 kernel with the NVIDIA drivers and KDE? If so, is 
 there anything 
 that I need to know to get things running? Any help would be great!

Let me know how you get on, I am right in the middle of the same process
finding it real hard to compile glibc (also bootstrap process) with nptl
support (it complains it doesn't have the kernel headers).

I read the forums before I started and found that Nvidia video driver
runs sluggish unless nptl is used.

Cheers!
Chris


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RE: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-13 Thread Chris Carter
 My system is building glibc 2.3.2 ( in the bootstrap part of 
 the install).
 
 My question is, I want to run a 2.6 kernel and I was 
 wondering if anyone is 
 using a 2.6 kernel with the NVIDIA drivers and KDE? If so, is 
 there anything 
 that I need to know to get things running? Any help would be great!

Let me know how you get on, I am right in the middle of the same process
finding it real hard to compile glibc (also bootstrap process) with nptl
support (it complains it doesn't have the kernel headers).

I read the forums before I started and found that Nvidia video driver
runs sluggish unless nptl is used.

Cheers!
Chris


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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-13 Thread Ralph Crongeyer
Does it run slugish on 2.6 kernels? And did it mention the www.demion.de 
patches?  :-)

Ralph

On Thursday 13 November 2003 12:30 pm, Chris Carter wrote:
  My system is building glibc 2.3.2 ( in the bootstrap part of
  the install).
 
  My question is, I want to run a 2.6 kernel and I was
  wondering if anyone is
  using a 2.6 kernel with the NVIDIA drivers and KDE? If so, is
  there anything
  that I need to know to get things running? Any help would be great!

 Let me know how you get on, I am right in the middle of the same process
 finding it real hard to compile glibc (also bootstrap process) with nptl
 support (it complains it doesn't have the kernel headers).

 I read the forums before I started and found that Nvidia video driver
 runs sluggish unless nptl is used.

 Cheers!
 Chris


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Re: [gentoo-user] New to Gentoo. 2.6 kernel question....

2003-11-13 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 14 November 2003 04:56, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
 Does it [nvidia] run slugish on 2.6 kernels? And did it mention the
 www.demion.de patches?  :-) 

I'm running nvidia/linux2.6/kde and have found no problems at all. The 
nvidia-kernel ebuild includes at least some patches from www.demion.de simply 
to get it to work with the 2.6 kernel. As for sluggishness, I ran nptl for a 
short time and noticed no difference with nvidia. In fact, I noticed no real 
difference with nptl. The only reason I removed it from my system, however, 
is that app-i18n/canna would not work with it.

Jason

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